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February 13, 2022
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2022-013


Other issues:

Propaganda:

> For all the disclosures, the Biden administration has provided no evidence of the disinformation plots they say they have uncovered. <

"Disclosure" MINUS "Evidence" EQUALS "Propaganda".

Russiagate:

Use as open thread …

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The English government and its lickspittle press giving a minute by minute account on when Russia will invade Ukraine, meanwhile the opposition party leader of Labour the millionaire knight of the realm Sir Keir Starmer denounces the Stop the War Coalition as the enemies of Nato.
The hysteria and madness emanating from the English parliament and its compliant media is frightening, as they descend into a feeding frenzy on when Russia will invade Ukraine, even though there’s not one shred of evidence to show that Russia will invade.
http://web.archive.org/web/20220210164601/https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/10/keir-starmer-says-stop-the-war-coalition-gives-help-to-authoritarians-like-putin
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/13/ukraine-crisis-live-biden-warns-putin-costs-of-russia-invasion-kyiv-latest-updates

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 13 2022 13:47 utc | 1

Even Zelensky must see that his NATOstani overlords are much worse enemies of his so called country than Russia is. It isn’t Russia that’s crippling his economy and transport.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 2

Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet? It’s been over 3 months of scaremongering over Ukraine. Do you suspect that fever needs to be stoked more before the trigger is pulled, in order for it to work? Or is Russia’s response somehow making it so the false flag wouldn’t have the desired effect on the Europeans, so it’s continually delayed?

Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3

Nato has even given a date that Russia will invade Ukraine, here the press parrots that date. There’s at least another ten links to newspapers that parrot the 16th of Feb date, as the day that Russia will invade, search it for yourself if you like.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2022/feb/12/putin-planning-to-invade-ukraine-on-february-16-report-2418654.html
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/02/11/putin-could-attack-ukraine-on-feb-16-biden-told-allies-00008344

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 13 2022 14:04 utc | 4

Apparently the US is now withdrawing it’s OSCE observers from Donetsk…
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696299
That’s not even vaguely suspicious.

Posted by: S.O. | Feb 13 2022 14:08 utc | 5

Regarding the UK withdrawal of their troops/instructors from Ukraine, is it because Russia has given a hint of a direct attack on the UK in case Donbass is attacked while the UK troops are present in Ukraine?

Posted by: R | Feb 13 2022 14:32 utc | 6

They are getting very specific now. YOU are a terrorist if…
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-february-07-2022
Summary of Terrorism Threat to the U.S. Homeland

“The primary terrorism-related threat to the United States continues to stem from lone offenders or small cells of individuals who are motivated by a range of foreign and/or domestic grievances often cultivated through the consumption of certain online content.”

[examples of wrongthink coming]
“Key factors contributing to the current heightened threat environment include:
” The proliferation of false or misleading narratives, which sow discord or undermine public trust in U.S. government institutions:
For example, there is widespread online proliferation of false or misleading narratives regarding unsubstantiated widespread election fraud and COVID-19. Grievances associated with these themes inspired violent extremist attacks during 2021.”



If you question the government then you “heighten the threat environment”.
Presently, with Democrat-Authoritarians in power, the concept of wrongthink is being used to fence in and define Republicans as Terrorists.
Just this month we heard the government argue that if you are not believing the US government then you are believing ISIS.
And, also, if you are not believing the US government then you are believing the Russians.

The next boil level [boiling frogs] of the Homeland Security Terrorism Threat Summary
will certainly contain references to the current Donbas Crisis. Should humanity survive.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 14:43 utc | 7

Posted by: S.O. | 5
Apparently the US is now withdrawing it’s OSCE observers from Donetsk…
No. Saw a report (will look for it). Journo went to their HQ. Filmed all the complete lack of action and got a audio, but off camera interview. OSCE guy was literally laughing.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 14:47 utc | 8

Regarding the UK withdrawal of their troops/instructors from Ukraine, is it because Russia has given a hint of a direct attack on the UK in case Donbass is attacked while the UK troops are present in Ukraine?
Posted by: R | Feb 13 2022 14:32 utc | 6
That, or perhaps a desire to hype war fear in Ukraine, or perhaps a threat to them if they stay, or perhaps self-instilled paranoia. Or a muddled mix of them all. Plus propagandist is a cushy job, much better than Uber. And Boris needs lots of distractions, so does “Biden”, so expect more of this. Did you know Blinken is touring places like Fiji while all this is going on?
My own sense is that there is little utility to be had in trying to “make sense” of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 13 2022 14:48 utc | 9

@Hickory #3
The problems with the Ukraine false flag theory are many:
1) It has been obvious from the start (to me anyway) that Putin has zero desire to have Russian soldiers step foor in Ukraine. Without that, awfully hard to prove an “attack”
2) Europe has both no military capability to speak of, and more importantly, no will to fight Russia even if Putin did invade Ukraine – which he clearly has no desire to.
3) The Russian capability to demolish any attackers using artillery/missiles is such that only the most idiotic could expect to survive an encounter
4) And the repeated “false” US warnings are having the “boy who cried wolf” effect.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2022 14:55 utc | 10

FALSE FLAG
Let’s go waaaaaay back to the original meaning of this.
Pirates (and others!) would hoist “false” flags to confuse, subterfuge, other vessels.
———
Here it is 2022, and people are *still* deceived when shown a flag.
Reportedly swastikas, black sun, confederate, flags have been seen among the Convoy and environs. Do these belong to *some* truckers and “supporters”.
Possibly.
Could the flags belong to Convoy detractors?
Probably.
Van Badham, a scribbler for the Guardian Australia, become apoplectic [ “triggered”] by a smattering of Q and Trump merchandise among a Sydney freedom march mid 2021.
Her eye, so trained and practiced, she was able to find and identify what were perhaps a handful, amidst a throng of thousands.
Given she then wrote a book about the Q cult in Australia, I, being of a suspicious mind, wonder if she might have had them planted.
~~~~
See how easy it is to accuse anyone of anything.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 14:55 utc | 11

Sorry for a long post, but I thought this call for France to leave NATO was interesting and I can’t find a link, so I’ll just re-post the article:
Franco-German call on France to leave NATO and bolster P5
Paris, Feb. 12, 2022 (EIRNS) – In an op-ed published by the French “souverainist” weekly Marianne, Peter Dittus and Hervé Hannoun, argue in favor of a French exit from the integrated command of NATO. The German economist Peter Dittus is the former secretary general of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), while the Frenchmen Hannoun its deputy director general.
Their arguments are the substance of their new book called “OTANexit: Urgence Absolue”, published on Jan. 16.
“Since November 2021,” they say, “the French, like other peoples of the West, have been subjected to an unprecedented mental conditioning conducted by the United States and Nato on the theme of the “imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine”, which may go down in history as an episode of disinformation along the lines of the fabricated intelligence on Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction in 2003.”
This is a lie, they say. “The only war that NATO seems to be winning is the one of information. We show in our book this striking German propaganda map in the weekly Bild of December 4, 2021, giving an imaginary detailed plan of the “imminent Russian invasion”. The role of propaganda is terrifying, because of the charge of hatred generated by the lies on both sides. On the NATO side, the aggressive and bellicose discourse of Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg is irresistibly reminiscent of the famous Orwellian inversion: ‘peace is war’”.
(…) “France’s current alignment with NATO, through its participation in the integrated military command under American leadership, is a strategic dead end for a country with a universal vocation like France. Today, this country has a historic role to play in stopping the march towards war in Europe initiated by the sleepwalkers of NATO. France’s exit from NATO, which will mark the end of the alignment of France’s foreign security policy with the United States, will have an immense impact on the world.”
“It will signal Europe’s independence from American exceptionalism, the renewal of multilateralism, the emergence of a multipolar world and the rapid demise of the obsolete NATO framework. France will then rediscover its universal vocation, contributing to the global balance for peace, and playing, thanks to its rediscovered impartiality, a role of synthesis within the P5, the concert of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (the United States, the United Kingdom, China, Russia, and France), a P5 whose composition must be maintained and whose role as regulator of world peace must be enhanced.”
(Full text in documentation). (kav) Wolfgang will do the German translation.
Full text of Marianne op-ed:
“Faced with the Ukrainian crisis, France’s Otanexit is an absolute emergency”
The following op-ed was published by the French “souverainist” weekly Marianne, Peter Dittus and Hervé Hannoun, who argue in favor of a French exit from the integrated command of NATO. The German economist Peter Dittus is the former secretary general of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), while the Frenchmen Hannoun its former deputy director general.
Text:
“Breaking with the policy of non-alignment followed by de Gaulle, Giscard and Mitterrand for 43 years, France once again became a member of the integrated military command of NATO in 2009, without the French people having been consulted by referendum. The current Ukrainian crisis reveals the serious perils to which France is exposed by being attached to a defensive collective security organization under the command of the United States that has become expansionist.
“Since November 2021, the French, like other peoples of the West, have been subjected to an unprecedented brainwashing (“mise en condition”) conducted by the United States and Nato on the theme of the “imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine”, which may go down in history as an episode of disinformation along the lines of the fabricated intelligence on Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction in 2003.
“What is the reality? Millions of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the two self-proclaimed Donbass people’s republics live under sporadic firing and shelling by the Ukrainian army against separatist forces. The concentration of Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders is obviously aimed at dissuading Kiev from attempting to regain direct control of the enclaves of Donetsk and Lugansk by force. NATO’s successful disinformation on Ukraine has consisted in presenting Putin’s moral obligation to defend these Russian-speaking populations – which Ukraine wants to progressively deprive of the right to speak their language – as a prelude to the total annexation of Ukraine by Russia.
The myth of an “imminent Russian invasion
“NATO manages to pass off a concentration of Russian troops ready to come to the rescue of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the Donbass as an “imminent Russian invasion” of the whole of Ukraine, including Odessa, Kharkiv and Kiev. A crazy invasion that in reality Russia completely rules out… unless it is pushed into it by a possible prior Ukrainian attack on the Donbass.
“The only war that NATO seems to be winning is the one of information. We show in our book this striking German propaganda map in the weekly Bild of December 4, 2021, giving an imaginary detailed plan of the “imminent Russian invasion”. The role of propaganda is terrifying, because of the charge of hatred generated by the lies on both sides. On the NATO side, the aggressive and bellicose discourse of Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg is irresistibly reminiscent of the famous Orwellian inversion: “peace is war”.
And if France had the solution?
Paris must avoid the military spiral into which the United States and NATO want to drag it. In the coming weeks, it must not allow itself to be involved in a war in Eastern Europe that is not its own. France has already agreed to deploy hundreds of men in a NATO battle group in Estonia. On January 1, it took the lead in the NATO Rapid Response Force, which includes at least 7,700 French soldiers. President Macron has just announced the possible dispatch of a thousand French troops to Romania under the NATO banner on the “eastern flank”, in the Black Sea region. The military escalation is dangerous. For the security of the French people, it is necessary to exclude committing the French army under the banner of Nato in a war in Ukraine or Belarus.
“On the other hand, France has a diplomatic weapon to resolve the serious crisis between NATO and Russia. The detonator of this crisis was the stubbornness of Jens Stoltenberg and the Americans to pursue since 2018 a creeping process of accession of Ukraine to NATO, called “open door policy”, seen by Russia as a threat to its security. To put an end to the current confrontation, President Macron should simply declare solemnly in the name of France that his country will oppose any request from Ukraine to join NATO.
“As decisions on membership of the Alliance require unanimity, France can exercise a veto. In doing so, the president would be in line with the commitments he made during his 2017 presidential campaign not to support Nato’s expansion to Ukraine. It would be an elegant way out of the crisis. Alas, the French president, during his visit to Moscow and then to Kiev on February 7 and 8, 2022, did not consider this simple solution because French diplomacy did not oppose in the Nato bodies the crazy “open door policy” to the membership of Ukraine and Georgia in Nato. On the other hand, France supports NATO and the G7 in their demand for the return of Crimea to Ukraine, knowing full well that this cannot be done without a war, possibly nuclear.
American subordination
“At the time of the 1992 referendum on the European Union treaty, no one could have imagined that this great project of Mitterrand and Kohl for peace would be deviated from, from 1998 onwards, by the American geopolitical project to take de facto control of the European common defense and security policy. This was due to the simultaneous enlargement of the European Union and NATO to ten Eastern European countries between 1991 and 2007, and also to President Sarkozy’s decision, with far-reaching consequences, to abandon in 2008 the Gaullist strategic position of refusing to participate in NATO’s integrated military command.
“From the moment that 21 of the 27 EU countries, including France, became full members of NATO, the initial spirit of Maastricht was betrayed, because “Europe for peace” was inevitably going to be thwarted by the interference of the United States, with its own geopolitical objectives, in the common European defense and security policy. In reality, there can be no independent French or European defense within the current framework of participation in the integrated military command of NATO by France and 21 other European Union states. The concept of “European strategic autonomy” within Nato is an illusion, given the control of the United States over this Alliance. The European Union seeks to hide this fundamental flaw behind a vague concept: the “strategic compass”.
The fundamental incompatibility between the US-controlled NATO and an independent French or European defense does not prevent our leaders from defending the thesis of complementarity between the EU and NATO in terms of defense, as summarized on December 11, 2021 by the French Minister of Foreign Affairs: “We are keen for the EU and NATO to complement and reinforce each other in order to contribute to strengthening security and defense in Europe. This is the meaning of the strategic compass that will be adopted during the French Presidency of the EU Council.
Defense: the impasse of “at the same time”
The EU’s “strategic compass” is above all an effort to provide a conceptual framework for the false idea that “European strategic autonomy” in relation to the United States is compatible with the Nato membership of the vast majority of EU member states. This complementarity between NATO and the EU, the “at the same time” applied to defense, is an illusion. The fussy logic of national independence has given way to the vague and misleading concept of strategic autonomy and the search for interdependence and interoperability with our “allies”.
“Beyond the immediate crisis surrounding Ukraine, the presidential elections of April 10 and 24 must allow for a decision on the question of NATO. All those who refuse NATO’s march towards the war that is brewing on the eastern borders of the European Union have a unique opportunity, with the presidential election of 2022, to send a simple and clear message of peace to the leaders of our country, in one word: Otanexit. It is a question of ensuring that a candidate for peace is elected president, who is committed to putting an end to France’s alignment with NATO.
“One can think that the outgoing president will want to avoid a debate in the presidential campaign on the question of our military alliances in NATO: alliance with the adventurism of the Anglo-Saxons, whose arrogance was revealed by the Australian submarine affair, unnatural alliance with Islamist Turkey, alliance with Polish nationalism, and tomorrow perhaps, alliance with a Germany that could use NATO as a springboard for its remilitarization, or even alliance with Kosovo against Serbia This list alone allows us to measure the risks of a collective security system comprising 30 heterogeneous nations, and dominated by one of them.
An unconstitutional “defense union”
“On January 7, 2022, at a joint press conference with President Macron in Paris, the President of the European Commission allowed herself a federalist statement that exceeded her prerogatives: “We agree that we need a real defense union. In the presence of President Macron, she spoke of adding a “defense union” to the Economic and Monetary Union in the future, without taking into account the fact that this statement is contrary to the French Constitution, which is based on national independence, national sovereignty and national defense. It is necessary to oppose the stealthy European federalism that is currently being practiced, which cannot replace a federalism that is democratically accepted – or rejected – by referendum, according to the procedure followed in 1992 by François Mitterrand for the transfer of monetary sovereignty provided for in the Maastricht Treaty. The French people must reject the concept of defense union under the banner of NATO that Ursula von der Leyen wants to impose on them.
“France’s current alignment with NATO, through its participation in the integrated military command under American leadership, is a strategic dead end for a country with a universal vocation like France. Today, this country has a historic role to play in stopping the march towards war in Europe initiated by the sleepwalkers of NATO. France’s exit from NATO, which will mark the end of the alignment of France’s foreign security policy with the United States, will have an immense impact on the world.
“It will signal Europe’s independence from American exceptionalism, the renewal of multilateralism, the emergence of a multipolar world and the rapid demise of the obsolete NATO framework. France will then rediscover its universal vocation, contributing to the global balance for peace, and playing, thanks to its rediscovered impartiality, a role of synthesis within the P5, the concert of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (the United States, the United Kingdom, China, Russia, and France), a P5 whose composition must be maintained and whose role as regulator of world peace must be enhanced.”
End.

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 13 2022 15:02 utc | 12

U.S. State Department Counselor Derek Chollet said that Biden made “very clear” to Putin that the U.S. and its allies would “continue to bolster and build military capacity along NATO’s eastern flank.” that’s not good, also Russian naval ship chased a US sub out of Russian waters.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-claims-it-chased-american-submarine-out-of-its-waters/ar-AATLVd3?ocid=msedgntp
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-sanctions-does-not-give-st-ambassador-1678762?amp=1

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 13 2022 15:08 utc | 13

@Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3
“Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet?”

It doesn’t fit the US narrative. According to the narrative Putin conspired with Xi.
Putin assured Xi that he, Putin, would not spoil the Olympics by invading Ukraine.
For the attack (false flag) to come *immediately* after the Olympics makes for good
US propaganda. It proves the Putin/Xi conspiracy. US media: “Putin was itching to go, like
a runner in a foot race waiting for starting gun. As soon as the moment arrived – the
closing of the Beijing Olympics – Putin launched an attack.”

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 15:09 utc | 14

@ librul 7
Thanks for that on domestic terrorism — especially…
the threat environment:
(1) the proliferation of false or misleading narratives, which sow discord or undermine public trust in U.S. government institutions..//
We’re supposed to trust the State and Defense departments, after the damage they’ve done????

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 15:16 utc | 15

US advertises for crisis actors
Many here will know crisis actors have been linked to a number of strange “mass casualty” and other narrative creating events.
Archive: https://archive.is/uMJqr
The selection criteria for the “role players” has been noted as odd and intriguing:
Role Players with SECRET clearance, retired DOD, Department of State, Foreign Service Officers, and Veterans are highly encouraged to apply
Candidates that are interested in OCONUS events should hold a current US Passport, and be up to date on all applicable vaccines.

Commentators noted:
>OCONUS operations
Outside of continental US
Does that mean: Ukraine or does that mean Hawaii & Alaska?
>proton mail
Well I see a throw away email address
>Providing job opportunities for those with disabilities…
In other words, amputees. Those, through FX magic can be transformed into bloody casualties with extreme injuries. (Boston bombing?)
>They’re looking for experienced Foreign-Service Secret Clearance Crisis Actors for last minute OCONUS ‘role-playing’. Whatever are they planning? And…where?
Along with video production this company works on
>biotech
>nanotech
>aircraft and aerospace
>missile tech
https://www.census.gov/naics/?input=541715&year=2022&details=541715

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 15:16 utc | 16

CBSNews, Feb 11
U.S. says Russian invasion of Ukraine could begin “at any time”
Russia now has 80% of the forces in place that would be needed to begin a full-scale invasion, compared to 70% exactly a week ago, a U.S. official tells CBS News. The continuing buildup is one reason the Biden administration is now warning an invasion can come within days. . . There are about 7,000 U.S. citizens and green card holders in Ukraine registered with the embassy, but an estimated 23,000 to 30,000 Americans reside there, according to a congressional aide. . .the administration is worried that Americans in Ukraine are not heeding the State Department warnings — which was one of the main reasons Sullivan briefed Friday. This official said that Sullivan’s warning to get out within 24-48 hours was meant to impart a sense of urgency; it was not a prediction that a Russian invasion would come within 48 hours. . . 3,000 troops based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to Poland. . .here
… an estimated 23,000 to 30,000 Americans reside in Ukraine??

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 15:28 utc | 17

This is interesting – and not in a good way:
Clinton allies spied on Trump

Tech Executive-1 [Rodney Joffe?] and his associates exploited was domain name system (“DNS”) Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States (“EOP”). (Tech Executive-1’s employer, Internet Company-1, had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP. Tech Executive-1 and his associated exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering information about Donald Trump.)

If Tech-Executive 1 is indeed Rodney Joffe – Mr. Joffe is an executive at Neustar. Neustar was the 3rd largest DNS services provider in 2021 – it isn’t some teeny private outfit.
If Neustar was truly an accomplice in spying on Trump, knowing or unknowingly, this opens the door to all manner of lawsuits and also certainly constitutes criminal activity. I can’t imagine spying on the internet traffic of the EOP is not a national security breach.
Note on DNS: The base internet operates on IP addresses: XX.XX.XX.XX – but people don’t work well with raw IP addresses so the domain name system (DNS) was created. DNS essentially creates lists linking the text domain names to the IP addresses (moonofalabama.org is the domain name, MOA IP address is 216.92.3.110, for example).
DNS services include registering a domain name to a specific IP address. If MOA changed internet providers or blog hosting services, for example, the IP address would change but the only difference for us readers is b having his DNS provider change the IP address associated with moonofalabama.org.
DNS providers also can provide DDOS protection services, that kind of thing.
Net net: the DNS service provider has access to traffic going through the domain name, much as the internet service provider (ISP) does.
The fact that a DNS service provider abused this access to spy on traffic is a very big deal.
Joffe also has a historical relationship with the FBI. He received the FBI Director’s Award for Outstanding Cyber Investigation in helping take down a botnet.
Multiple someones need to go down for the DNS abuse; or even worse, if the FBI was involved in this…
This also is interesting because of the past Alfa bank supposed link to Trump tower. I always wondered how exactly this supposed link was found – if IP packets and or routing data was being mined by Joffe or someone else, that is a very possible explanation. And also explains why it went away so fast – IP packets bounce all over the damn place so finding a packet that goes to “alfabank.ru” or whatever doesn’t necessarily mean a damn thing, plus if the access was not legit – then the evidence is also not legit.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2022 15:35 utc | 18

re: OSCE
. . .from DefenseNews
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba announced on Twitter Friday that Kyiv had triggered the so-called “risk-reduction” mechanism of the OSCE Vienna Document, to which both Belarus and Russia are parties. The process amounts to a request for information regarding a member nation’s military activities that other members perceive as threatening. Moscow has until Sunday to respond, per OSCE rules. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 15:42 utc | 19

Posted by: R | Feb 13 2022 14:32 utc | 6
“Russia has given a hint of a direct attack on the UK in case Donbass is attacked while the UK troops are present in Ukraine”
Yes, that may be why they are all leaving.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 13 2022 15:42 utc | 20

Concerning Japan Times article “Japan protests to Russia over missile exercise near disputed islands”
The article mentions that Russia are firing missiles in Japan EEZ|

Moscow has also said it will test fire some missiles from Monday through Feb 25 in a wide area covering the Northern Territories as well as Japan’s exclusive economic zone.

Since Japan uses it’s claim on the southern most Kuril Islands to justify its EEZ while Russia uses its occupation of the southernmost Kuril Island to justify its EEZ, the EEZs cover the same area. With possession being nine-tenths of the law, Russia is test firing missiles in its EEZ not Japan’s.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 13 2022 15:47 utc | 21

In the last thread there was a slight diversion into a discussion of high tech super weapons. I think it is important to keep in mind exactly what such weapons actually do, be they a gauss gun, rail gun, laser beam, plasma blaster, or good ol` Parrott rifle of the US Civil War. It is all about delivering a quantity of energy to a point of action. Now this energy can be kinetic, as in an 80lb chunk of iron traveling at 1000ft/s, or it can be potential energy, as in the chemical potential energy in 50lbs of nitrocellulose, or some combination of the two. When talking of destructive potential, how this energy gets to the thing that you want to destroy takes a back seat to the net energy being delivered.
Herein lies the problem with high tech weapons: Gauss guns, rail guns, laser beams, and plasma blasters, at least as envisioned by Americans, rely upon electricity to provide much of the energy being used to do the damage. As anyone who has compared electric cars to ICE (internal combustion engine) cars knows it is super difficult to get the density of stored energy for electricity that you can get with even the simplest chemicals like ethanol. If we start talking about more sophisticated chemical compounds like those used to propel artillery projectiles, fuel rockets, or provide the “Boom!” in warheads, then the difference between electric weapons and chemical ones becomes even more pronounced. Bluntly, the difference in energy delivery between chemical and electric weapons is mind-bogglingly vast… orders of magnitude kind of vast. You’d need the electricity output of an moderate sized power plant to equal the destructive capability of a decent 30mm cannon.
The attraction of lasers is that they are easier to aim and can hit fast-moving targets (theoretically). They can do a little bit of damage to a very small part of the target, and that is hoped to be enough to disable missiles and things like that. You are not even going to be able to tickle a main battle tank or mar the paint on a warship with a laser beam, though. Not this century, anyway (Disclaimer: Something like power transmission masers on orbital solar power stations might be able to be repurposed for dealing that kind of damage, but I am doubtful).
Gauss guns and rail guns are a little different, though, in that you are firing projectiles that that can contain explosives. The attraction here is that you don’t have to carry on your warship a magazine load of special propellant for your projectiles as they can use electricity generated by the ship’s engines. I specify “warship” here because you are not going to be able to fit a big enough power plant of a fast and nimble aircraft anytime soon. You will need something the size of a ship to haul a generous enough power source around, and even then you will probably have to choose between making your ship move and powering your gauss guns. Not a good choice to have to make in a battle.
I can see such high tech weaponry being useful, but really only as point defenses for fixed facilities.
One more disclaimer: The Russians seem to be developing chemically (as opposed to electrically) pumped laser weapons. These would use chemical cartridges not unlike those used to propel canon projectiles in appearance. They fire a laser burst with a chemical “explosion” not too dissimilar (in some respects) from a traditional canon. With these kinds of weapons you are still limited in the amount of ammunition you can carry, but you get the benefit of precise targeting with a good punch in a mobile platform without having to haul a big power plant around. You are still not going to see them used against tanks, but as antiaircraft and antimissile defenses they have potential.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 13 2022 15:49 utc | 22

Eyes are focused on the Ukraine/Russia border looking for an incident (false flag),
is that a misdirection?
Could Putin be accused of something removed at a distance from the Ukraine/Russia border?
That is, could the US loose it’s nerve about causing an incident (false flag) at the Ukraine/Russia border
and opt for another incident as a Plan B.
We all fear WWIII, there may still be a thread of sanity in Washington. Triggering a hot war
with Russia is insanity.
But US political/economic gains could still be achieved.
If instead, for example (just an illustration!), another bio-attack [think Skripal], or other form of attack,
happened in one of the major cities of a NATO member, it wouldn’t trigger the Russian army to open fire on Ukraine.
But, as we have seen many times before (Skripal, Russiagate, etc), Putin could very easily be blamed
by the US government and it’s mockingbird press. Especially given the present heated Russophobe environment.
Government spokepersons: “Putin is sending a message with this attack. He is
trying to intimidate the democratically elected government of Ukraine as well
as NATO member countries.”
The US government could still hope to make political and economic gains, while
postponing WWIII over the Donbas.
Eyes are focused on the Ukraine/Russia border looking for an incident (false flag),
could that be a misdirection?
As we have read, “Russia has given a hint of a direct attack on the UK in case Donbass is attacked while the UK troops are present in Ukraine”.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 15:53 utc | 23

@ J Swift 12
I can’t find a link
To find a link, you copy and paste some text into the URL space up top and you get the link here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 15:55 utc | 24

With so many people leaving Ukraine, and tomorrow being St. Valentines day, I wonder if; Zelensky finding himself all alone in a muddy field would not be tempted to kiss and make up with the Donbas separatists. Otherwise he might find himself as a roasted Duck on toast.
**
PS. Maybe not a duck, as he seems to be squawking more like a “Truss’d” chicken.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 13 2022 15:55 utc | 25

@Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3
“Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet?”

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 13 2022 15:56 utc | 26

I need some sort of reputable source for the number of Ukrainian troops massed near the Donbass border. I know that the Director of Russian Foreign Intelligence made a statement about this, but I need a non-Russian source if possible (or a Russian source that provides some form of proof such aerial photos). I am dealing with brainwashed “arms control” experts who get all their information from the NYTimes and Wash Post lol, who are utterly convinced that Russia is about to invade. Ironically, if there is a false flag followed by a UAF attack, then Russia very well may invade, but the issue here is that none of these ill-informed people have any clue that the UAF has massed forces near Donbass. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 13 2022 16:02 utc | 27

I think it’s all distraction from the imploding Covid narrative. So people who bought the party line don’t start to look around them and wonder why after 2 years they have nothing but restrictions and myocarditis.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Feb 13 2022 16:02 utc | 28

#5, #8, withdrawal of american osce reps:
FWIW: cassad, a pro-russian source, reports american reps pulling out with 6 vehicles:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7441044.html (in russian)
Russian Min Foreign Affairs expresses concern:
https://sputniknews.com/20220213/militaristic-psychosis-russia-concerned-by-withdrawal-of-western-osce-observers-from-ukraine–1092990439.html

Posted by: Thomas | Feb 13 2022 16:05 utc | 29

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/this-could-cost-him-his-job-a-blockaded-canada-turning-on-trudeau-poll-finds
A blockaded Canada could end up dealing a catastrophic blow to the leadership of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
The Maru poll, which was conducted from Feb. 9 to 10, found that only 16 per cent of Canadians would vote for Trudeau based on his actions of the last two weeks.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 13 2022 16:13 utc | 30

@Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3
[what’s with the system posting prematurely, I’d remove it if I could]
“Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet?”
I don’t do this for a living, but as far as I know is it Pentagram terminology to “prepare the battlespace”. You hammer home that any Bad Thing happening in that general area can only be due to muh Putin, until it becomes a brain-stem reflex. Americans wouldn’t care about a (possibly large) bunch of dead Ukies any more than they currently do about dead Yemenis, or starving Afghans–they must be told to care.
Plus doing so draws attention away from the Olympics, where their diplo boycott wasn’t the success they hoped for. In a way this was the point, it was only “their” boycott plus three sad places which everybody knows are just franchises of the USA. And also what librul says.
But clearly we’re in Downing Street Memo territory: the fateful decisions have been made, and “facts and intelligence will be fixed around the policy”. Still curious about the phone call: how can Biden threaten Putin, without saying things that’d surely get leaked if the show starts? Subtle art to pull it off, which doesn’t look like old Joe’s forte.
I’m reminded of this episode where Pyongyang’s shrieking crescendo’d until Little Kim pretty much said “We’re going to nuke the US tomorrow.” That pretty much limited his options to Getting On With It, or climbing down. The US coolly said “think again, you’d regret it”; and then it fizzled of course. But that was under SecDef Chuck Hagel; no saint, he was tons better than anybody since.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 13 2022 16:20 utc | 31

Can’t have OSCE observers around when the false-false-flag is triggered. That would complicate things.
False-false-flag: Nazis (Azov Battalion) attack Donbass. Donbass militias and Russian artillery annihilate the Nazis. Western Mockingbird mass media, in perfect harmony, start the chant that the Nazis were actually Russian “crisis actors” that the Russians killed to justify the artillery fire that killed them, which will make perfect sense to those with feeble, over-laundered minds.
(Crisis actors: Because it is always good to embed a little truth in your lies; just tell everyone they are Russian instead of NATO).

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 13 2022 16:20 utc | 32

@Don Bacon 25
Thanks, Don.

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 13 2022 16:26 utc | 33

Perimetr 28
Location of Ukrainian military
I don’t rate him, but he might be useful this one time:

But Western media are never showing the positions of Ukrainian troops, which one might expect are there to counter Russian threats. 
The speaker went on to say that now two-thirds of the Ukrainian military or about 150,000 troops are all concentrated on the line of demarcation with Donbas. 
That is to say, there are almost no Ukrainian forces in the northeast around Kharkiv facing Russian military or to the north of Kiev to face the combined Russian-Belarus military. 
If this is true, then Mr. Zelensky’s insistence that he does not expect a Russian invasion is justified by Ukrainian boots on the ground. 
If Russia is holding a pistol to the head of Ukraine, as Boris Johnson stated earlier this week, then Kiev is holding a pistol to the head of the rebel provinces.
Solovyov’s guests further explained that after eight years of facing down one another across about 200 meters of no-man’s land at the line of demarcation, the situation between Ukrainian armed forces and Donbas forces is very tense and volatile, so that it would be very easy for a provocation staged by British or American special forces, who are known to be in the area,  to touch off a major conflagration.
This is surely the accident threatening to upset the ongoing negotiations between the United States and NATO on one side and Russia on the other side. 
The guests further assert that in effect the Ukrainian forces at the line of demarcation are not under the control of President Zelensky, whose power is very circumscribed by other political actors, oligarchs and militia chiefs in Kiev, not to mention by U.S. and U.K. forces on the ground in his country.

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/02/04/look-at-the-map-where-are-the-ukrainian-military-forces-concentrated-and-where-are-they-absent/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 16:27 utc | 34

Re: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 16:27 utc | 35
Many thanks 🙂

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 13 2022 16:30 utc | 35

OSCE
Ok. It seems the situation has changed since I saw that report.
I now find this: (and this guy is a usually reliable source)
@DeanoBeano1·6h These images do seem to confirm rumours that the OSCE are ceasing operations in Donbass. The parking lot of the OSCE mission at their headquarters in Donetsk has really thinned out compared to yesterday evening. Only about 12 armoured vehicles remain. (Source: War Gonzo)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 16:37 utc | 36

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 13 2022 16:13 utc | 31
Hi Sushi,
I thought I would do you a bit of a favour, and excerpt a bit of that National Post article. Wouldn’t want to mislead the whiskey bar patrons would we?

Although Canadians sympathize with the anti-mandate demands of Freedom Convoy, they increasingly hate the protests themselves. A new Maru Public Opinion poll found that 56 per cent of Canadians don’t have an iota of sympathy for Freedom Convoy — and two thirds wouldn’t mind seeing their blockades cleared by military force.

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 13 2022 16:41 utc | 37

@Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3
“Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet?”
And then there’s my pet theory / wishful thinking: that maybe there won’t be one, because the Western withdrawals are the real substance, and everything else the smokescreen and political cover. The US position in Kiev always was something disposable; conflict with Russia distracts from China, and if the Euros can’t be brought on-board with the war, then dump Banderistan on them and let them deal with the peace as they see fit and at their own expense.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 13 2022 16:45 utc | 38

i love making a long post, only to see that it is now in the cue and will show up tomorrow, lol… oh well… happy sunday folks..

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2022 16:52 utc | 39

Ma Laoshi | 39
Also. Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and others less luminary need desperately to destroy evidence of what they’d been up to in Ukraine this past decade.
In all this FUD important Ukraine documents were moved from Kiev to Lviv “for security reasons” due to the “imminent invasion”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 16:55 utc | 40

j swift…. what don @ 25 said… thanks for the info… i agreed with it..
re OSCE… they are tools for the empire unfortunately…. same shit happened with the fake chemical weapon attacks in syria…
@ Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 15:16 utc | 16… the usa is competing with the uk and its integrity initiative bullshit to see how makes the best propaganda..propaganda for the usa-uk, is now the main pillar of their foreign policy… personally i always felt if the uk could do another monty python, i would be impressed…. the novichok skit never impressed me… they have lost their chops! maybe the usa could advertise in the uk? worth a shot.. maybe offer the integrity initiative folks more pay…

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2022 16:57 utc | 41

William Gruff | 33
crisis actors
Did you see my post @16?
The US just advertised for some role players with a very intriguing skill set.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 17:00 utc | 42

“Disclosure” MINUS “Evidence” EQUALS “Canard”.

Posted by: hopehely | Feb 13 2022 17:15 utc | 43

Ukraine sees no point closing airspace amid Russia standoff
“The most important point is that Ukraine itself sees no point in closing the sky … And, in my opinion, that would somewhat resemble a kind of partial blockade,” he told Reuters.
The infrastructure ministry said it was ready to provide additional financial guarantees to support local airlines, many of which use leased planes, after one Ukrainian carrier, SkyUp, said it had to divert a flight from Portugal to Ukraine on Saturday after the plane’s owner barred it from entering Ukrainian airspace.
“The current situation requires a solution at the state level. Now we are working together with state authorities to find solutions,” SkyUp’s CEO Dmytro Seroukhov said.
The carrier has suspended ticket sales for flights up to Wednesday, he added.
A government source told Reuters that the government is currently working out how to provide financial support for local airlines in the event they face problems with their insurers. The source gave no more details.
News agency Interfax Ukraine said Ukrainian insurance companies had received a notification from reinsurers that airlines were not covered for war risks.
… At Kyiv’s Borispil Airport, the largest in Ukraine, there was little sign on Saturday of an exodus. Oksana Yurchenko was travelling back to Australia with her child. “We were visiting our family here in Ukraine. We were planning to stay a bit longer but this situation is a bit scary,” the chef and a beauty salon owner said.
Australia has advised its citizens to leave Ukraine and said on Sunday it was evacuating its embassy. Ricky, a Scotsman who lives in Ukraine, said he saw no sign of public anxiety on the streets. “I do not see anyone in fear in Ukraine, everyone is just getting on with their life,” he said at the airport as he waited for a flight to go on holiday.
“https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sees-no-point-closing-its-airspace-presidential-adviser-says-2022-02-13/”
Ukraine is being “negligent” again?
Here is European Court of Human Rights hearing video Jan 26th on MH17. In English. Can’t find transcript.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=hearings&w=801916_26012022&language=en

Posted by: daffyDuct | Feb 13 2022 17:18 utc | 44

from Brookings here
. . .Currently, Russia is rattling its sabres along the border of Ukraine
So click on the “rattling . .” in the Brookings text, and get:
Biden predicts Russia will invade Ukraine . . .“My guess is he will move in,” Biden said of Putin’s calculation on launching an attack.
So who’s rattling the sabres?. .It’s the US, not Russia. And fake news from Brookings.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 17:26 utc | 45

Also. Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and others less luminary need desperately to destroy evidence of what they’d been up to in Ukraine this past decade.
In all this FUD important Ukraine documents were moved from Kiev to Lviv “for security reasons” due to the “imminent invasion”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2022 16:55 utc | 41
Yes, good point. Bullshit will only take you so far. Lots and lots of stuff to hide that they never thought about while suffering from delusions of grandeur. Pelosi looks downright frantic these days.
This is not really realistic, to hide everything, given the wreckage they have left all over the planet, but they will try.
This happened because it dawned on somebody they might not be able to get their little buddies out if the Russians DO decide to move. First they create the hobgoblin, then they themselves run in fear of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 13 2022 17:27 utc | 46

Republicofscotland @ 1
“…even though there is not one shred of evidence to show that Russia will invade.”
Here is a possible shred:
If Russia does launch a major ground operation against Ukraine it won’t do so without helicopter support and therefore needs to forward deploy helicopters in large numbers.
The Russian armed force bought a large number of such attack and transport helicopters between 2011-2022.
Within the last 24 hours the forward deployment of Russian VKS (rotary wing assets) have been deployed in the Belgorad Oblat which borders Ukraine.
I take this to be another ominous sign–the Russians would never launch a major ground operation without them.

Posted by: Gulag | Feb 13 2022 17:35 utc | 47

@ Gulag 48
Russia. . . needs to forward deploy helicopters in large numbers
Oh right, Stinger anti-air missiles are being sent to Ukraine so Russia will employ choppers?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 17:48 utc | 48

Gulag (48).
Ukrainian forces of which someone posted a link to in here, are nowhere near Russia’s forces, the Ukrainian forces which are armed to the teeth by Whitehall, have positioned themselves on the edge of the demarcation zone with Donbas, and we know US and UK special forces are there as well, it wouldn’t be too far a stretch of the imagination to think that the special forces could and will manufacture an incident to commence hostilities in that region.
The Western media never tires of telling us where and how many Russian troops have amassed inside their own border, but they never mention where the Ukrainian troops have amassed.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 13 2022 18:03 utc | 49

U.S. Congressional efforts to impose crippling punishment on the Russian Federation through sanctions, ahead of a purported invasion of Ukraine, has apparently stalled amidst disagreement over the scope of the proposals:
“The two main sticking points in the discussions among U.S. Senators are disagreement over how to handle the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline and a proposal to impose secondary sanctions on all Russian banks. Republicans have been pushing to slap sanctions on the pipeline, which would transport gas to Germany, but Democrats say doing that now would risk breaking unity between Washington and Europe amid the Ukraine crisis.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-02-11/us-senators-at-impasse-on-bill-to-boost-ukraine-sanctions-defense
Reading between the lines, this indicates that there is, currently, little unity between Washington and major European players, which should explain the latest cresting wave of “Anglo-Saxon” hysteria witnessed this weekend.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 13 2022 18:07 utc | 50

Oops this is awkward

The South African doctor who discovered the strain has revealed she was ‘pressured’ into describing the variant as more dangerous than it really is.
Dr Angelique Coetzee was one of the first to report the new variant in November last year and said it caused ‘mild’ symptoms for those in her country.
But she claims she was told by scientists and politicians from around the globe that her description was wrong.
‘Because of all of Covid’s mutations, all of these scientists and politicians who aren’t from were contacting me telling me I was wrong when I spoke out, that it was a serious disease … they were telling me I had no idea what I was talking about, they kept attacking me,’ Dr Coetzee told
‘In South Africa it is a lighter disease, but in Europe it has been a serious, serious illness, which is what the politicians want me to say. There has been a lot of pressure from European scientists and politicians who have said ”Please don’t say it is a mild illness”.’
South African doctor who discovered Omicron says she was ‘pressured’ into making variant sound worse

Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2022 18:12 utc | 51

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2022 16:57 utc | 42
Did you mean OPCW, or do you have some specific dirt on OSCE (not that that would surprise me)?

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 13 2022 18:14 utc | 52

@c1ue, #10:

1) It has been obvious from the start (to me anyway) that Putin has zero desire to have Russian soldiers step foor in Ukraine.

My opinion is that Russia has no intention of sending soldiers into Ukraine/Donbass, but if Ukraine musters all their military forces against Donbass, they have the man count superiority to slaughter the ethnic Russian people in Donbass and Russia would not sit idle watching such a slaughter. They will send the soldiers and tanks presently massed nearby to protect the Donbass resistant forces. Artilleries and rockets and drones from a distance may not be effective enough for the protection. Also, remember that it’s not just Ukrainian military that’s spearheaded against Donbass. There are reported to be some tens of thousands of mercenaries.
Russia will likely avoid stepping into Donbass territories at all, if possible, but wouldn’t rule that out. But I believe Russia has no desire to advance beyond the two provinces. Russia has no taste to rule and pacify a population who’s been brainwashed to hate them to their guts. Sad as it seems!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 13 2022 18:14 utc | 53

Is there a 6th column trying to subvert Russia?
4-30-20
https://thesaker.is/is-there-a-6th-column-trying-to-subvert-russia/
Revisiting Russia’s 5th and, especially, 6th columns (UPDATED)Is there a 6th column trying to subvert Russia?
2-8-22
http://thesaker.is/revisiting-russias-5th-and-especially-6th-columns/
If you haven’t read the 6th column articles, I suggest you do because in my opinion the discussion between Ritter and Mercouris that follow in the linked transcript below will add quite a bit more to the 6th column thesis.
‘A Bear Trap in Ukraine?’ (With Transcript)
2-2-22
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/02/watch-new-cn-live-a-bear-trap-in-ukraine/
Alexander Mercouris & Scott Ritter engaged in an astonishingly wide-ranging and deep discussion on CN Live! about what’s next for Ukraine, Russia, the U.S. and NATO.
I believe what we are seeing is a very aggressive diplomatic initiative by Russia to draw Europe away from the US and to see Europe reconfigure itself based on its genuine security needs.

Posted by: pogohere | Feb 13 2022 18:17 utc | 54

Regarding the UK withdrawal of their troops/instructors from Ukraine, is it because Russia has given a hint of a direct attack on the UK in case Donbass is attacked while the UK troops are present in Ukraine?
Posted by: R | Feb 13 2022 14:32 utc | 6
Nope. It’s so that NATO can maintain ‘escalation dominance’.
Right now, the West has indicated that they will not engage Russia’s military in case of any violation of Ukraine’s territories, rather they will resort to other punitive measures. But if NATO member servicemen are killed by Russian military action, then their entire credibility as an alliance demands a military response, which obviously no one (including Russia) wants.

Posted by: dragonfly | Feb 13 2022 18:27 utc | 55

This is an interesting article from the Saker Blog
Listening to Biden prattling about democracy, democracy, democracy, and how we must save American democracy from swarming threats to democracy, with the insistence and urgency of a starveling aluminum-siding salesman, I am filled with wonder. Convincing people that they live in a democracy is a lot of work, like pumping air into an inner tube with a leak. America is no more a democracy than it is a potted plant.
Functional Illiteracy at Fourteen Percent in America: Department of Education
Functional illiterates cannot fill out a job application, manage a checkbook, read a simple story in a newspaper, or use the social media. Those who can’t read don’t, and another large number who can barely read don’t either. At a low estimate they must amount to a quarter of the population. They vote.
https://thesaker.is/the-care-and-feeding-of-the-rabble-democracy-its-own-self/

Posted by: ld | Feb 13 2022 18:44 utc | 56

Down South @52
When news of the new variant broke, I recall there were some articles quoting Dr. Coetzee to the effect that Omicron was not as bad as the Delta.
CBC (or News Network)here in Canada interviewed Dr. Coetzee soon after and I recall her prefacing her first response with “I will give the politically correct response” or words to that effect.
Dr. Coetzee then proceeded to give a long answer so vague and ambiguous that I remarked to my wife, “What the hell did she just say.”

Posted by: spudski | Feb 13 2022 18:52 utc | 57

Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2022 18:12 utc | 52
Omicron doesn’t appear to be as devastating as previous variants (although one also needs to factor in reduced disease severity among the vaccinated). However it is far from harmless as there is a large wave of deaths following ~3 weeks behind the now-waning wave of infections. Hospitals are still overflowing with covid patients, and to me the current “re-opening” seems premature.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 13 2022 18:52 utc | 58

Don Bacon @ 49
You have to look at the big picture
I am assuming that Russia has assembled a force around Ukraine and is deploying it in a manner that is designed to conceal its operational aims.
To some extent Russia still (today) retains surprise and initiative. The Russian military has been deploying a large force slowly and deliberately (with equipment that has been parked in the field for months). Troops can quickly be sent to these encampments, fall in on equipment and begin dispersing. This conceals the final disposition of forces and the timing and scope of any military operation.
To my why of thinking Ukraine is now in a mobilization trap. The current Russian military force is now within the self-deployment range, which means they can move to the border in a matter of days (which appears to be happening).
The campaign itself could range from standoff strikes to a largescale invasion of Ukraine’s eastern regions, the encirclement of Kyiv and the taking of Odessa along the coast. The question becomes not what Russia can do militarily in Ukraine, since the answer is almost anything, but what kind of military operation might attain lasting political gains for Russia.
My guess is that just hurting Ukraine is not enough to achieve anything that Russia really wants.
I have tried to make my analysis as simple as possible–based on the actual nature of Russian military deployments around Ukraine.
I tend to favor analysts/observers making testable predictions. Sometimes, of course, we will get things wrong (that’s how you get better) but if your chosen logic takes you to a defensible position–I say go for it.
All any of us are left with are our interpretations of reality. To believe you have the final truth is naive and I believe counter-productive to persuasive analysis.

Posted by: Gulag | Feb 13 2022 18:58 utc | 59

Hickory @ 3
Any ideas why the false flag hasn’t happened yet?
A false flag to obtain more press would be useless as they have all the bullshit they need. The only other reason for a false flag I can see is if you are actually in position to actually do something like the Gulf of Tonkin, the Main for Cuba, the Lusitania in World War I and so on.
In reality, they know the NATO nations will not risk demolishing Europe again even with the help of the Anglo- Americans. I believe the Eastern Europeans just want to grab come quick Yankee dollars in the supposed crisis.
It is all bullshit in bottle probably to further wreck Ukraine’s economy to ensure their fair haired boy wins the next election.

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 13 2022 18:59 utc | 60

@Jezabeel | Feb 13 2022 16:02 utc | 29

I think it’s all distraction from the imploding Covid narrative.

The Covid narrative is imploding fast, but even if very important, you need more pieces in the jigsaw puzzle to see the picture. And when you do you realize the pictures fit together. Covid is about cancelling fundamental human rights and enriching big corporations. “Climate change” is about enslaving people by denying access to cheap energy, essentially the same goal as Covid. The war scare about Ukraine is about forcing cancellation of NS2, i.e. denying access to cheap energy so that the US remains hegemon in Europe.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2022 19:02 utc | 61

@ farm ecologist | Feb 13 2022 18:14 utc | 53.. it was definitely opcw, but i seem to recall osce playing a role in all that as well… they are both supposed to be international organizations and above manipulation by the west… this is definitely not the case with opcw, but i seem to recall osce also playing a similar role…

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2022 19:20 utc | 62

In order to offer possible explanation to current happenings in Ukraine I would like to bring to barflies’ attention similar situation that existed in Croatia in 1995.
In 1991 Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia. About 17% of Croatian population was of Serbian origin and they immediately declared independence from Croatia on territories where they were majority similar to what has happened in Donbas after Maidan.
The newly formed entity was named Republic of Serbian Krajina (RSK) and was able to survive only with economical support from Serbia. Situation in Donbas is identical to that of RSK
According to the latest documents Croatia took over RSK by military means under guidance and with direct support of USA military and CIA. Under US threats (economic sanctions and military) Serbia withdrew its support to RSK and rumors of imminent war created panic within Serb population in Croatia causing exodus of Serbs from RSK. About 90% of RSK population fled Croatia for neighboring Serb held territories in Bosnia and further to Serbia, never to return to their homes again.
It is quite possible that in Donbas US is trying to replicate what they successfully did in Croatia in 1995.
First, they armed and prepared Ukraine to take over Donbas by military means similar to what they have done in Croatia.
Then they threatened Russia with “dire consequences” if they get involved military if Ukraine attacks Donbas. Milosevic caved but they do not know if Putin will do the same.
So they proceed with the last step before the attack.
If they can create panic among Donbas population and have them flee to Russia the war would be over. There would be no one interested to defend territories without population.
Except maybe Russia for the strategic reasons.

Posted by: Vajezatha | Feb 13 2022 19:21 utc | 63

@ Vajezatha | Feb 13 2022 19:21 utc | 63… thanks for your post.. the parallels are disturbing here..and the west has a bad reputation from your example..

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2022 19:33 utc | 65

@ William Gruff | Feb 13 2022 15:49 utc | 23
could you summarise your thoughts on electric car engines?
every time someone says they have more torque than internal combustion it makes my head hurt but i can’t prove it wrong – what do you think?

Posted by: Rae | Feb 13 2022 19:40 utc | 66

#23 @William Gruff
The US experimented with using a megawatt chemical laser mounted in a military 747- Boeing YAL-1 a decade or so ago. Although they claimed success, the program was cancelled and one of the subsequent comments was that they would need 20-30x the power to have a practical weapon with useful range.
I guess if you don’t need to have the device re-usable (say a UAV or some kind of laser shell) you might be able to get higher energy density.

Posted by: Billb | Feb 13 2022 19:42 utc | 67

Functional Illiteracy at Fourteen Percent in America: Department of Education
Posted by: ld | Feb 13 2022 18:44 utc | 57
Sadly, as Mrs. Liz Truss showed us, there is also an even wider problem of disfunctional literacy, people who can read, listen and get jobs, but do their jobs badly because of abysmal levels of comprehension.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 13 2022 19:52 utc | 68

Let’s look on the bright side. All this war talk coming out of Washington is hurting recruitment and reenlistment. Army increased its maximum sign-up bonus to fifty grand a few months back, and now Navy has also gone up to $50,000 max bonus.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 19:54 utc | 69

Those commenting about Dr. Coetzee and the South African variant. Early in the year I posted a report made to Russia’s Security Council by its top virologist who had recently returned from South Africa. Some here might recall that as it was eliminated by b for length, but I reposted a small portion upon Suzan’s request. The report stated the new bug wasn’t as potent but was likely more easily transmitted. It was also noted that Russia’s Sputnik-V vaccine was very effective against the new bug and that there really wasn’t any urgent need to try and formulate something else.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2022 19:56 utc | 70

re: Vajezatha | Feb 13 2022 19:21 utc | 63
Very good point to consider. (And not mentioned at MOA before?) Given Russias amazing competence in handling the threats to it (and its allies) in the last couple of decades we may hope Russia has measures ready to prevent such a depopulation.
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“… an estimated 23,000 to 30,000 Americans reside in Ukraine??”
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 15:28 utc | 17
How many US/UKr/Jewstate triple nationals are there?

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 13 2022 20:06 utc | 71

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2022 19:02 utc | 61
About Covid, and global warming, the most basic facts are true, but on the proposed and adopted measures to deal with those problems are justified quite fuzzily, and with many obfuscations.
First, in Canada, some protester may have wrong beliefs concerning the nature of Covid-19 (an actual infectious disease, with big similarity to common colds but quite a bit more lethal), and may be misguided (in my opinion) about the dangers of vaccines. However, the benefits of vaccine mandates seem too slim, and psychological resistance to forced injections seems too large to fight it. As the example of Justin Trudeau shows, vaccination does not prevent a person from being a carrier of Omicron variant, while it decreases the occurrence of hospitalization by something like 50%.
An aside on vaccines. What makes a rape so much worse that an assault? I guess it is breaking the psychological “inner space” of a person. Forced injection may have similar psychological impact on more people that I thought it would.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 13 2022 20:08 utc | 72

All the intense propaganda aimed at citizens within the Outlaw US Empire has had very little effect in drumming up support for Biden’s war and is probably having the opposite effect:
“The Economist/YouGov [link at original] survey showed that only 13% of US adults believe it would be a ‘good idea’ to deploy troops to fight Russians in Ukraine. In fact, support for a combat mission on Moscow’s doorstep is so low that more Americans (17%) favor withdrawing from NATO than tangling with Russia’s military. The poll found that 55% of Americans believe sending combat troops to Ukraine would be a ‘bad idea,’ while 33% are unsure.” [My Emphasis]
Will the hysteria continue escalating, or will the fools finally realize nobody wants war?

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2022 20:13 utc | 73

China’s moving into the US ‘back yard’
China has bagged 20 BRI countries in Latin America & Caribbean, most recently Argentina signed on.
More extensive than that, here from oilprice dot com . .

In December the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), a bloc of 33 countries that includes regional heavyweights such as Argentina, Colombia and Mexico, signed the China-CELAC Joint Action Plan for Cooperation in Key Areas 2022-24. The seven-point agreement outlines plans for greater engagement and cooperation between governments, private companies and financial institutions in a number of areas, including infrastructure development, the economy, and political and security issues. While China has invested significantly in the region in past decades, the deal is expected to herald a deepening of cooperation in a region that has traditionally been heavily tied to the US.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 20:15 utc | 74

Although there is a tendency to lump ALL the Ukrainian forces together this may not be true on the ground. Reports (more like letters sent back home) are coming in where regular troops around Donbas have been told NOT to break the ceasefire. Don’t rise to provocations. Prepare, but if possible avoid conflict.
This is perfectly understandable. And as some will also certainly be (secret) Russian speakers, they do not want to become cannon fodder for the US, UK and other jihadists, Nazis or Chechen mercenaries. “Special” forces or not.
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It has also been said that Putin’s objective is so that the EU learns to look after it’s own affairs and realises where it’s real interests lie. ie. No going blindly to war for foreign adventures under a “leadership”, who are hiding in a bunker in the US or UK. Or even for those who think doing photo ops in various advantageous settings is a job.
He has shown to those that have eyes to see, the lack of any coherent response to clear demands. Our (I’m in the EU) “leadership” is collectively incapable.
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This goes much deeper than JUST the war scenario in Ukraine. There is the appearance of civil diobedience at all levels of society. Truckers, Yes, but we should now include those who do not demonstrate but simply disobey. (example; I went to the local sunday market, there were plenty of people who no longer use masks, (obligatory in the market) but nobody else seemed to mind. A general civilian “NO” to authority. Not a Karen in view. (Or Police for that matter)
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Jezabeel | Feb 13 2022 16:02 utc | 29
It is not just Covid, or that millions are going to find that their personal immunity has been compromised – there are the questions of “International finance” where virtually all assets now “belong” (on paper) to an incredibly small set of psychopaths – and the upcoming inflation to destroy individual efforts at saving or “getting ahead”. The wishes of the Davos crowd to reduce humanity to obedient drudges, by eliminating a vast proportion of us (I think they are clinically insane!). That “control” will include your right to breed, eat and think. APE implanted chips to oversee your every move.
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Don’t worry too much. Good always wins in films doesn’t it? Actually I am more optimistic than I may sound, simply because with all those things that COULD happen to us, something is going to break down before we get to that point. We should start by saying NO, and then move onto WHO and WHY?

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 13 2022 20:16 utc | 75

Not sure if anyone else has caught/called out the fact that, disappointingly, Michael Hudson completely neglects to mention our main frenemy – Israel. Wonder why he’s scared to drop that name…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2022 20:18 utc | 76

Posted by: ld | Feb 13 2022 18:44 utc | 57
In my mind, and based on personal anecdotal experience and that of acquaintances, the bigger issue is attention deficit disorder and the inability to delay gratification – of any kind – which is one of the reasons so many functionally literate adults still believe that Ukraine is about to be invaded by Russia among other mass hyped hysteria.
Ask anyone you know who’s, say, younger than 40 to read an actual article if you’re having a conversation with them and are trying to demonstrate facts. They can’t/won’t do it – they need you to point them to a YouTube video. My social media circle (using a face Facebook account) are a perfect example of it. I ask someone to back up any point they are trying to make and invariably they link me to some talking head on YouTube, sometimes sitting in their car and ranting, rather than any factual text-based information.
But yes, functional literacy is important for a functioning “dumbocracy” and that’s just another metric (economic mobility, longevity, happiness, etc.) adding to the case that the USA is the real “shithole country” that Trump used to fantasize about other countries.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2022 20:23 utc | 77

Melaleuca @43: “Did you see my post @16?”
Indeed I did. That behavior is expected, but disconcerting nonetheless to see the empire being so obvious. That portion of my post was intended to serve as an oblique reference to your @16.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 13 2022 20:24 utc | 78

Billb @67: “The US experimented with using a megawatt chemical laser mounted in a military 747- Boeing YAL-1 a decade or so ago.”
Well, Boeing experimented with it. That never made it to military procurement. That aircraft is on the books as being decommission in April of 2015, scant weeks before Boeing’s most challenging competitor in the orbital launch market suffered a mysterious catastrophic failure in their launch vehicle just as it was leaving the atmosphere… just where a laser carried at high altitude would begin to operate with long range. An odd failure that was preceded by the temperatures and pressures spiking in the vehicle’s LOX tank, precisely as one would expect if a high powered laser beam were impinging on the vehicle.
Boeing has a long and fortuitous history of its competitors for government contracts experiencing the most inopportune accidents, and changing the date in their record books for when a particular aircraft was scrapped by a couple weeks is trivial. Of course, there is no evidence for this anymore because the weapon that was used no longer exists. So convenient.
My bet is that the YAL-1 was actually scrapped the very day it was used to shoot down the Falcon 9.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 13 2022 20:41 utc | 79

Tom_Q_Collins @76–
Misinformation from you easily checked by a search at Hudson’s website. Here’s a comment from an August 2021 analysis:
“It looks like most of the world will quickly recognize the Afghan government, leaving the U.S., Israel, Britain, India and perhaps Samoa isolated as a recalcitrant block living like the post-World War I royal families still clinging to their titles of dukes, princes and other vestiges of a world that had passed.”
Hudson also deals with the Historic Judaic civilization that Jesus fought against to reinstate Mosaic Law and its Jubilee Year and accuses its creditor class for conspiring with the Romans to judicially murder Jesus.
Historically, the Jewish people have zip to do with the current financial orientation. The most predatory bank was and remains the Bank of England that was stablished by William of Orange. Do consult Sinews of Power for more. Then we have the machinations of the Vatican to explore. In the current scheme of things, Occupied Palestine figures little. Furthermore, Outlaw US Empire financial hegemony goes back to WW1, well before the establishment of the settler colony in Palestine.
Please do some research before you further embarrass yourself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2022 20:43 utc | 80

‘Bigger Than Watergate’
Trump Furious After Durham Spy Scandal Bombshell, Demands Prosecutions, Reparations
Remember when they laughed when Trump said that he was being spied on.

Special Counsel John Durham revealed in a court filing that the Hillary Clinton campaign plotted to infiltrate the Trump campaign along with White House computer servers in order to fabricate allegations of Russian collusion.

Jake Sullivan intentionally sabotaged relations with Russia by pushing a false flag story that his own team fabricated. Now he is National Security Advisor, tasked with advising the president on dealing with Russia. How is that even possible? Where is the media?

Deafening Silence from the Mockingbird Media
truly equals Censorship.
Now we have Jake Sullivan pushing the Crash-Test-Dummy Prez to have war in Ukraine.
Same guy!

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 20:46 utc | 81

Blocked?
Cannot give link.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 20:50 utc | 82

Cannot include url for some reason.
Do your own search on:
Trump Furious After Durham Spy Scandal Bombshell, Demands Prosecutions, Reparations

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 20:53 utc | 83

Don @69
Given what has happened to a number of US Navy ships & subs lately I think $50k is far too low.
The chances of ending up in a sub with the Russians or Chinese just overhead and broadcasting disturbing messages to you and your shipmates is pretty high if you ask me.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Feb 13 2022 20:58 utc | 84

dragonfly @ 56 opined; “Nope. It’s so that NATO can maintain ‘escalation dominance’.”
Seems to be the case. If NATO can’t achieve real “dominance” it’ll take the “escalation” kind..
Our western world is ruled by MFing morons…..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 20:59 utc | 85

“European leaders are planning to ask Britain to head up a new security organisation to counter future geopolitical challenges, in a move to put post-Brexit tensions behind them.”
When will the EU nations learn, right now the UK/US is desperately pushing for war in Ukraine, and it looks like EU nations want to embrace the warmongering UK back into the fold after the bitter Brexit break-up.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-hands-britain-post-brexit-olive-branch-an-offer-to-lead-new-security-council/ar-AATO1Kr?ocid=msedgntp

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 13 2022 21:07 utc | 86

Stonebird @ 75
Where do you live? No Karen in sight? Do you welcome outsiders?
Just now returned from a walk I would estimate more than half are wearing masks while outside and far from anyone else. Like one walker per block or even less. I am walking on sidewalks that are mostly dry and clear. People will do big detours across refrozen lumpy snow and ice on the parkway to avoid the crazy man breathing fresh air. This would include old folks well aware of what a broken hip on the ice is about. Some will walk all the way across the street to avoid contact. Many pull the scarf over their N95, huddle inside their coat and look away. Wherever you are I would like to be there.
Kids under one year old are masked here. New fad is finding doctors who will disregard the guidelines and vaccinate infants and toddlers. If we were so lucky that all this just went away there will be people wearing masks and cowering for the rest of my life and longer.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 13 2022 21:10 utc | 87

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 13 2022 16:41 utc | 38
The source link was posted so the bar might review the story and draw whatever conclusions seemed appropriate. I am confident the members can drink and read at the same time.
The reporting does serve to confirm the opinion of Matt Tabbi as found here:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/justin-trudeaus-ceausescu-moment
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 13 2022 21:18 utc | 88

Norwegian @ 61 opined; “The war scare about Ukraine is about forcing cancellation of NS2, i.e. denying access to cheap energy so that the US remains hegemon in Europe.”
Agree totally with that comment, and the fact that corporations are in fact enriching themselves on the current crisis de jour, but hell, they ALWAYS do that. ” never let a crisis go to waste” ya’ know”..
But, your comment on climate, nope, think your on the moon with that one. although, could fit the above…..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 21:20 utc | 89

Posted by: Hickory | Feb 13 2022 13:57 utc | 3
Good question: it reminds me of the Raëlians predicting the end of the world on a Tuesday just after lunch. Then… bupkis. Sorry folks, we forgot to carry the one. Wrong Tuesday.
Putin will invade imminently!
When exactly?
A matter of hours!
Really?
Well more like days probably…
Any day in particular?
Yes! Putin hates Wednesdays so definitely Thursday.
This Thursday?!
Maybe not this Thursday
Next Thursday then?
High possibility of a maybe, but definitely a Thursday.
And an invasion?
Oh yes, many Russians have been spotted wandering around… inside Russia!
OK, but they live there, no?
That’s the point! They’re moving and some of them in the direction of Ukraine!
Right. So, some Russians are moving in Russia in the direction of Ukraine, possibly on a Thursday?
Yep. Start digging the fallout shelters.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 13 2022 21:26 utc | 90

@Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 13 2022 21:10 utc | 87
“Just now returned from a walk…more than half are wearing masks ”
I went maskless for a short walk earlier in my quiet residential neighborhood.
There was one other walker and she was wearing a mask.
I wonder if some people have discovered that wearing a mask is like
wearing a scarf. Masks warm the face against the cold air.
I expect that ,for various reasons, people will continue to wear masks long after the pandemic has passed.
Some, the “walking wounded”, relics of psychological warfare.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 21:33 utc | 91

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2022 17:26 utc | 46
Don – this is the latest pronouncement from Brandon on global uncertainty, the Ukraine crisis, and much else:

“I don’t want to get going because I’d keep you here too long because you know all what I’m about to, what I’ve said, and you know what I’ve done, and you know what we’re doing, and I know what you’re doing.”
– Joe Biden pic.twitter.com/FypD5BoLIM

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 13 2022 21:33 utc | 92

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2022 20:43 utc | 80
Get over yourself. I clicked on the link that b provided to the article about Europe and other US allies. I did a word search after reading the first several paragraphs for “Israel” – there were zero hits in the text of the article itself and only two results in the side bar linking to different articles (by other authors).
Calm down. If it wouldn’t piss off b and the rest of the readers, I’d just post the entire text of this article, but I won’t because thread decorum. Fee free to try finding a reference to Israel yourself: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/11/americas-real-adversaries-are-its-european-and-other-allies/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2022 21:34 utc | 93

DB @ 74: Thanks for the link. I’m excited about other nations signing on for BRI, puts more pressure on the empire.
” Wonder why he’s scared to drop that name…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2022 20:18 utc | 76
Because these days, certain realities CANNOT be mentioned, especially, with regards to ISRAEL.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 21:38 utc | 94

@Posted by: Sushi | Feb 13 2022 21:33 utc | 92
“Let’s go, Brandon!”
“Time to go, Brandon!”
38 Congresspersons have signed a letter requesting that Brandon
have his head examined.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 21:39 utc | 95

Michael Hudson’s article entitled: “Americas Real Adversaries are Its European and Other Allies” – So any informed reader might rightfully assume that Israel, being probably the biggest impediment to world peace by way of its parasitic but also symbiotic relationship with the USA, would be discussed. It wasn’t. I’m disappointed given how much Israel spies on us, how they commit cyber attacks to which the USA always attributes to Russia, China and Iran. b has written on this. Israel also maintains an arsenal of not so secret nuclear missiles. Israel probably had a role in the attacks on 9/11. Israel intentionally destroyed the USS Liberty. Israeli technology is behind most of the trojan tracking programs on peoples’ phones. The list goes on and on. Hudson usually focuses on the economic angle but in this one he ventured into other geopolitical issues and even arms sales. To me, the discussion is not complete without mentioning our “ally” in the Middle East – the one with such embedded control over our government and the ‘public servants’ therein.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2022 21:41 utc | 96

P @ 90: LOL, perfect take on the MSM.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 21:41 utc | 97

The letter to Brandon is found here.
https://jackson.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2.7.22_rep._jackson_biden_cognitive_letter.pdf

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 21:43 utc | 98

@ 91 said;
“Some, the “walking wounded”, relics of psychological warfare.”
Or, understandably prudent….

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 21:45 utc | 99

@Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 13 2022 21:45 utc | 99
Hmm…Karen has a middle name?

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2022 21:48 utc | 100