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February 10, 2022
The Mediocracy Of ‘Global Britain’

The knowledge and quality of 'western' leading officials is of serious concern. They are often politicians with no experience in the fields they are supposed to represent.

Liz Truss, currently the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, is a sad example.

It is said that the job of the foreign secretary has something to do with geography. To know where this or that country is and what its surroundings are is supposedly helpful when one wants wage war or peace with or against them.

Liz Truss had failed in this category when, a week ago, she said: "We are offering extra supplies and support into our Baltic allies across the Black Sea." The Black Sea is some 700 miles away from the Baltic states.

Today Liz Truss endorsed another occasion to fail when she visited Russia to talk about the Russian non-attack on the Ukraine only to get mocked by its very experienced Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Truss came dressed with a fur hat and gloves to a Moscow that today was warmer than London.

At the meeting Truss seems to have done exactly what Lavrov had publicly warned her not to do before the meeting started:

I have read Boris Johnson’s statement to the House of Commons, in which he said about relations with Russia that they should be improved. Following that, the Prime Minister’s Office announced that you and your colleague the Defence Secretary would travel to Russia to improve our relations.

At least this is what the announcement said. I don’t know if this is really so.

If this is the goal our British colleagues aspire to, we will definitely reciprocate. We cannot be satisfied with our current relations, which are at the lowest ebb in the past years.

Of course, relations can only be normalised through dialogue based on mutual respect and equality, recognition of each other’s legitimate interests and a search for mutually acceptable solutions.

Ideologically charged approaches, ultimatums, threats and moralising is a road to nowhere. Regrettably, many of our Western colleagues are using this form in their public activities. I do not see this as diplomacy.

You will agree, I am sure, that communication between two international subjects should have added value for both sides. Only in this case will it bring positive results.

The meeting did not go well.

Truss also showed a lack of manner when she started to talk (vid) even while the translation of the previous speaker was still ongoing.

Her knowledge was of similar quality. As Kommersant reports in Russian (machine translation):

The British Foreign Secretary told the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry about the need to withdraw Russian armed forces from the Ukrainian border. Sergei Lavrov replied that the military is on the territory of his country. Liz Truss repeated that they should be withdrawn. To this, the Russian minister again objected that the military did not violate anything, since they had the right to conduct any maneuvers on the territory of the Russian Federation.

After that, he himself addressed a question to his British colleague: “Do you recognize the sovereignty of Russia over the Rostov and Voronezh regions?”

“Great Britain will never recognize Russian sovereignty over these regions,” the Foreign Minister replied after a short pause.

British Ambassador to the Russian Federation Deborah Bonnert had to intervene in the situation, who delicately explained to Mrs. Truss that we were really talking about Russian regions.

At the press conference after the meeting Lavrov pilled on:

During an icy press conference after the talks, Lavrov said the two sides had found little common ground and that the talks contained “nothing secret, no trust. Just slogans shouted from the tribunes.”

“I’m honestly disappointed that our conversation turned out like the mute with the deaf. We appear to be listening but we’re not hearing anything. Our detailed explanations fell on unprepared ground,” Lavrov said.

“It’s like when they say that Russia is waiting for the ground to freeze so that tanks can easily enter Ukraine,” he added. “It seems that our British colleagues were on similar ground today, off of which bounced all the facts we presented them.”

It seems that 'Global Britain', as Boris Johnson envisioned it, is represented by a know-nothing dimwit traveling around to lecture real diplomats about issues they had already forgotten more about than Truss will ever know.

That's not going to end well.

Comments

A.z | Feb 10 2022 16:04 utc | 9
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It is fault of the Russians to invite her because she brings nothing to the table, if it was us I would’ve understood that but to give uk a voice is ridiculous.

Did the Russians invite her?

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 10 2022 23:35 utc | 101

Passerby @ 56, DaveGood @ 67:
There have been occasional reports of explosions and fires at munitions depots in Ukraine in the past. Wikipedia has an article on the Kalynivka munitions depot explosion that occurred in 2017.
While Ukrainian security claims the explosion at Kalynivka was due to sabotage, it is likely also that the explosion occurred because the ammunition there was ageing and past its use-by date, and chemicals may have been leaking. Storage conditions may have been less than ideal or standard with items being stored together when they should have been separated, or deteriorating as a result of exposure.
If there was sabotage, that may have been to cover up theft of armaments from the depot to be sold on the black market.
Why Sending Ukraine Shoulder-Fired Missiles May End Badly (Forbes.com, January 2022)

“… [The U.S.] has now given approval for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to re-export some of their American-supplied equipment — including man-portable Javelin anti-tank and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles — to Ukraine.
Of course the NLAWs and other Western gear are likely to go to elite units and be closely supervised wherever they are sent. But warfare is a messy and uncertain business. Any item worth upwards of $25,000 that can easily be stashed in the back of a car presents a particular risk when there is a ready market.
According to the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, “many of the arms now in the control of non-state groups in Ukraine fall into the hands of organized crime groups selling arms to the Middle East, often through Odessa.” [my emphasis]
That would be a worst-case scenario, but there are certainly precedents. In the 1980s, the U.S. supplied Stinger portable surface-to-air missiles to Mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan to fend off Soviet helicopter gunships. But the Stingers started turning up on the international black market in Pakistan, forcing the CIA to launch a major effort to buy them back. This was not entirely successful, with some missiles reportedly being bought by Hezbollah …”

One doesn’t have to be Dilyana Gaytandzhieva to find this information.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 10 2022 23:42 utc | 102

foolisholdman @ 102
I believe A.z is mistaken, Russia did not invite her. They showed them the same regard as they showed Macron on his arrival. Apparently had to disembark from the rear of the plane and no one to greet her from the Russian side.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Feb 10 2022 23:44 utc | 103

Now for the presser’s Q&As. I must admit that Lavrov’s answers as usual are very detailed and thus lengthy, something that a few barflies consider a fault, that Lavrov must distill major, complex points to mere sound bites. I see that I’ve already dealt with the first Q&A that elicited the new concept of NATOcentrism. The next Q&A is an excellent example of the impossibility of separating the wheat from the chaff because to do so destroys the overall context required to comprehend:
“You are talking about Russia’s desire to combine ‘coercive diplomacy’ that combines political demands and physical threats (if I understand correctly). We have no desire to force anyone to do anything. It is the West that accuses us of demanding the implementation of the decisions of the OSCE summits, we are allegedly forcing someone to do something. We are all for diplomacy.
“Our Western colleagues have memorized the term ‘de-escalation.’ No matter what they say about Russia, they demand ‘de-escalation.’ The second thesis is that they ‘hope’ that Moscow will choose diplomacy. All these years they chose diplomacy [Do note the cynical sarcasm]. We still want to build on it. The Istanbul Charter for European Security of 1999 and the Astana Declaration of 2010 are products of diplomacy. And, at the highest level.
“Now we are told that they have agreed on the wording: no one should strengthen his security at the expense of the security of others. But this, they say, is only so that today they can defend the right of any country to choose alliances. We have been deceived more than once (after Germany united, President of Russia Vladimir Putin spoke about this in detail). Now they are trying to deceive us with the commitments that we have all agreed on and actively welcomed within the framework of the OSCE – about the indivisibility of security.
“Here’s an example. There is an agreed package, only the right to choose alliances is ‘torn out’ of it. The duty not to infringe on the safety of the other is ignored. Similarly, a selective approach dominates the West’s position on the Minsk agreements. Not to mention Kiev’s position. The Minsk agreements are the solution of security problems, a ceasefire, amnesty, the special status of Donbass, the reform of the constitution in the context of decentralization and the holding of elections under the auspices of the OSCE in coordination with Donetsk and Lugansk. After all this, the resumption of control of the Ukrainian authorities along the entire length of the border. Only the latter is ‘torn out’ of this package.
“When I touched upon this topic today, Ms Minister said that we need to look at the sequence of steps. What is meant: only a point beneficial to the Kiev regime on the resumption of control over the borders is taken. This point of the Minsk commitments, approved by the UN Security Council, is conditional on everything else. Kiev does not want to do everything else, it publicly declares it. The same example as with the obligations on the indivisibility of security – to agree on something, calm everyone down, then tear out the necessary, and reject the rest as artificially invented. That approach won’t work.
“We don’t want to threaten anyone. Look at the public statements. Not once were there any threats. They threaten us. Including The Minister recently addressed the House of Commons. At the talks, they heard all the same things that are heard on the air from the lips of official representatives of the British government: allegedly, if we do not stop the ‘aggression’, we will face severe consequences, which we will regret. What kind of aggression? When did it start? Against whom? Have you ever heard something like this from our mouths? I’m sure you won’t be able to give a single example.
“I would like to stress that we want the spirit of compromise, the search for a balance of interests, cooperation, mutual respect and equality, which made it possible to adopt key documents at the highest level within the OSCE, to help us now implement these agreements, which have already been fixed on paper. The time has come when words cannot remain only words. We are ready for such cooperation.”
I haven’t watched the video of this presser, but Lavrov comes across as extremely frustrated to the point of genuine anger, which IMO is very apparent in the final two Q&As:
“Today I mentioned that Jens Stoltenberg has repeatedly stated that NATO should bear special responsibility for ensuring security in the Indo-Pacific region, in particular, in the South Pacific Sea. If NATO also outlines this line of defense, will you also insist that it is the right of all countries to go where NATO wants? It’s a dangerous game. We hear all these ‘incantations’ about the defensive nature of the North Atlantic Alliance, despite the fact that we have repeatedly presented our NATO colleagues with information about how they bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq on the basis of an excuse that Tony Blair later called a mistake and a fake. There are many examples where a defensive alliance works. The reproaches hurled against us by London and other Western capitals concern the fact that we are interfering everywhere. Some kind of cyber war once again sounded today. There is speculation in the seemingly respected media about the ‘operation’ that we are preparing to seize Kiev and all other cities of Ukraine, or that some kind of ‘coup’ is being prepared to plant a ‘puppet regime’ in the Ukrainian capital. All this is again from the ‘highly likely’ series. Today I drew the attention of E. Truss to the fact that ‘highly likely’ remains ‘highly likely’. As for the accusations of poisoning Russia with Alexander Litvinenko in 2007, no facts have been provided. No facts have been provided on the Skripals, we don’t even know where they are. His daughter is a Russian citizen. It’s not that we’re not given access, they don’t say anything about it. Similarly, no facts have been provided on A. Navalny. In the campaign to denigrate Russia, the UK is playing a leading role.
“Today we talked a lot about the need to build our work on the basis of facts, otherwise it will be the propaganda of clean water. Unfortunately, no facts were heard. Moreover, we also did not hear any reaction to our statement about the need to somehow substantiate the accusations against Russia. Ms. Minister mentioned the Budapest Memorandum. I am sorry that this is the second time she has done so in this Chamber, despite the detailed clarifications that we have provided during the negotiations on this matter. The Budapest Memorandum between Russia, Great Britain and the United States provided security guarantees to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear state, standard security guarantees for any non-nuclear state. This memorandum did not oblige either Russia, Great Britain or the United States to recognize the unconstitutional coup d’état that was committed by neo-Nazis and ultra-radicals in February 2014. It requires all participants, including Ukraine, to prevent any violations of the fundamental principles of the OSCE, including (emphasized) the principle of respect for and rights of national minorities. Ukraine didn’t give a damn about all this.
“No one will ever impose on us the need, in violation of all of Russia’s international obligations, to recognize unconstitutional regimes and, especially, to justify the actions of these regimes to discriminate against the Russian-speaking population and representatives of other national minorities, which happens daily, including in the legislative activities of the Ukrainian regime with the active support of President Zelensky.
“Since we are talking about Ukraine, Ms Truss reminded us today that Vladimir Zelensky and his ministers and his head of the Defence and Security Council publicly declare that they will not comply with the Minsk Agreements. Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has explicitly stated that there will be no direct dialogue with Donetsk and Lugansk, since such a dialogue is not provided for in the Minsk Agreements. This is exactly the school of J. Goebbels and even surpasses the art of the chief propagandist of the Third Reich, because on the ‘blue eye’ to say lies, to reject what is approved by the UN Security Council and written in black and white, and at the same time not to worry at all about the fact that London, Paris, Berlin or Washington will pull it off is a fairly comfortable position for demagogues who are now defending their rightness. Trying to rewrite the Minsk agreements. Unfortunately, this was also not heard by our partners today, although we spoke in detail about this issue.”
“Question (translated from English): The situation between the countries is extremely tense. De-escalation would help us cope with this tension. Could troops be returned to bases, for example, after the exercise in Belarus? Are you ready to demonstrate any meaningful gestures in order to achieve de-escalation and slightly reduce the degree of the situation?”
“Sergey Lavrov: After the military exercises, the troops return to the barracks. That’s the way it usually is. As for the duration of the exercises, this is the sovereign right of each government concerned. Unlike the exercises on its territory that Russia conducts, after which the troops return to the barracks, those troops that are far beyond the territory of Great Britain, the United States and Canada are sent to the Baltic countries, to the countries that are on the Black Sea coast, these troops and weapons, as a rule, never return home. We also talked about this today, but [Liz] Truss explained quite clearly that this does not concern us. But our troops on Russian territory are London’s main concern and the slogan of de-escalation, which you have just competently repeated. It is a unifying factor for the entire Western community. You are in the same logic that the political elites of the West have been explaining to you for more than a month. You asked your question whether Russia is ready to make any significant gesture to defuse the situation. You must first prove to me that we have charged this situation, that we are escalating it, and that we are doing something that does not concern our sovereignty and the sovereign right to act on our own territory. I leave it to the conscience of our Western partners the allegations regarding the presence of Russian troops and heavy weapons in Ukraine. This is all from the category of ‘highly likely’. I gave examples: A. Litvinenko, Skripal, A. Navalny – the same accusations. It’s not that we haven’t been shown the facts, and when we remind you several times that these facts do not exist, all these remarks are ignored. They do not want to hear us, because, apparently, we have other rights, not as significant rights in the international arena as the UK believes, what rights it has. You said that exercises are also taking place in Belarus, and Ms Minister said that the main thing for her is to avoid war in Ukraine. That’s why she’s here.
“I foresee the denouement of all this drama, which the West is playing out, trying even to make a tragedy out of it, although it looks more and more like a comedy. After some time, Western countries learn that the Russian-Belarusian exercises have ended and our troops have returned to Russian territory. A lot of noise will be raised in order to prove that the West has achieved de-escalation from Russia. Although in reality it will be an ‘air trade’. Everyone knows perfectly well, it was stated that after the completion of the exercises, Russian troops always return to their territory. I read in some Canadian media that the topic of Ukraine is ‘a crutch for the falling ratings of Western politicians.’ It’s an interesting metaphor.
“I hope that in serious matters related to European security, to the security of all NATO member countries, Ukraine and Russia without exception, we will behave in an adult way and not engage in open propaganda in the expectation of the next electoral adventures.”
I too share that hope, but experience tells me not to expect it to materialize. Serial Criminals are addicted to performing their criminality–there’s no hope in reforming them; so, either life in prison or execution are the only solutions. I see only one way to prevent war and that’s for all the nations agreeing with the principles of the UN Charter they once endorsed to join with Russia, China and their partners and become very vocal advocates as members of The Group of Friends in Defense of the Charter of the United Nations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2022 23:45 utc | 104

they gave up on inviting bozo the clown and thought a different form of entertainment was in order.. next time they will invite the spice girls for a real chin wag…

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 23:46 utc | 105

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 10 2022 22:40 utc | 90:
US debt is 124%of GDP, crumbling infrastructure and many domestic issues. The old saying “Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. When it comes to trade, China has the US by the short and curlies.
US Federal debt alone is north of $30 trillion. With a (grossly inflated) GDP of $20 T, it’s at least 33+% of GDP. That doesn’t include State and Local/Municipal gov. debts. I say inflated GDP because much of USA GDP is based on salaries paid for ‘products and services’ that amount to nothing-ness. Nothing-ness such as compliances with useless rules and regulations that don’t contribute to anything productive or enjoyable.
Yes, when comes to trade China has the US for lunch. But cutting all trades with the US is one move that begs the questions: Has it come to this already? and Is it worth it? Seeing the US fumbling with supply shortages across the spectrum of products and services may be kinda entertaining psychologically, but what does it do for China itself in terms of advancing its wealth or standard of living, which is China’s goals of pursuit rather than the vain notion of being #1. I also believe China can withstand the loss of trade with the US, but when the US is indeed in deep living standard morass, the prospect of real hot war is not far off. They will false flag, they will instigate, they will outright declare robbery or else! That’s what they did in Americas, in Afraica, in Oz, in India, in the ugliest parts of the world’s history in the past 2-3 hundred years. Hence the question, is war worth the fun of seeing America fumble?
If the Empire instigate actual Taiwan independence, or blockade South China Sea to challenge China’s claims, or to create situations in Xinjiang/Tibet that results in substantial chaoses and losses to China’s security and economy, that’ when China would consider the move worth it! If such a scenario comes to pass in the next 5 years, it would be a huge disturbance to the world whence many many parties of the world would get hurt along with China and the Empire. If this scenario happens beyond 10 years from today, it will just be Uncle Sam getting bloodied noses and eating crows. I believe the top notch elites in the US ( whose names are not often flashed on MSM) know this, and are deliberating whether to make a move now or to call it quit soon.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2022 23:48 utc | 106

I’ll just point out that when Ben Wallace heads to Moscow tomorrow, for talks with Shoigu and no doubt General Gerasimov, he’s taking along a bit of backup, Admiral Tony Radakin, Chief of the Defence Staff and Lt Gen Ralph Wooddisse, Commander UK Field Army.
I suspect that they will fair better than Truss did with Lavrov as at least they all have a common military background but it will still no doubt be a very difficult meeting as they get told, from the horse’s mouth, just what is actually happening around Ukraine.

Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 10 2022 23:54 utc | 107

Norwegian | Feb 10 2022 17:53 utc | 31

It is a sad state of affairs when true idiots a placed in government positions. And it isn’t a mistake, because all I see is idiots in western governments…

It’s inevitable, sadly. Anyone with two functioning brain cells would resign from such a government or more likely would be drummed out.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 10 2022 23:55 utc | 108

DaveGood @ 81:
I am aware of Alexander Mercouris’s disbarment in 2012 and moreover, that he actually asked to be disbarred. Here is his side of the circumstances in which he took on a case for a client (who is now pursuing him for damages) who kept pressing him to help her with a case involving her son.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 10 2022 23:55 utc | 109

One wonders whether Truss even realizes how ridiculous she made herself look. Probably not. Like Trump, she is oblivious to criticism by outsiders and believes that whatever she says or does is, by definition, correct.

Posted by: Rob | Feb 10 2022 23:55 utc | 110

Sounds like a scene out of Yes Prime Minister. Sir Humphrey prevailing upon the titular Prime Minister to appoint a demented nitwit to the post so she can make a fool of herself and sabotage an inconvenient diplomatic settlement. Only Boorish Johnson’s regime has no Sir Humphrey, just idiots.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 10 2022 23:59 utc | 111

Posted by: Milos | Feb 10 2022 17:43 utc | 28
The simpler explanation for Mr. lavrov’s question is that Rostov and Voronezh Oblasts are the areas in Russia immediately east of Ukraine where the Russian troops that so unsettle the West are located.

Posted by: MikeO | Feb 11 2022 0:06 utc | 112

Oriental Voice 107
What are saying there as to if or when it would be worth doing is what I have been tossing around. US will put all efforts into developing new weapons systems, looting the countries it controls and strategic positioning around Russia and China. It will become more self sufficient in critical areas. Rare earths, high end chips – both of these are now being set up in the US and there will be many other items. In the not too distant future the US will have surface, air and submarine launched boost glide missiles of various ranges. US had three successful tests of the glide body using a ground launched booster. They are now setting up production of that glide body which will be used on all missiles. Scram jet cruise missiles probably wont be far behind. If a war was to break out in 3 or 5 years time would US be able to inflict more damage on Russia and China than it can now?
I am just tossing a few of these things around wondering what China and Russia will do from this point on. Earlier on I thought Russia may make a so called pre-emptive strike as Putin has said if a fight is inevitable strike first, but that hasn’t been their way of doing things to date.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 0:19 utc | 113

Begs the question; Who hired this person? Must be some friend of a friend.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 0:19 utc | 114

@ Jen | Feb 10 2022 23:42 utc | 103
Thank you Jen,
I was not aware that Forbes had covered the destruction of Ukranian Armoury but read it about it elsewhere. That article also concluded that someone in authority had been robbing it and selling thier loot on the black market, then blew it up to cover thier tracks and blamed it on Russia sabotage.
Apparently it was about to be inspected and a full audit done.
It seems it took out a lot of Ukranian tanks as well. The story was the tanks had been ruined after a refurbishment that saw them get the wrong oil, the engines/gearbox were destroyed after a few miles and returned to the Armoury. The whole scandal disappeared when the armoury blew up.
I will read your Alex M link. I may or may not comment afterwards.
Thank you again.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 0:20 utc | 115

OK, now i get it. Fair body, obviously someone’s latest hobby.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 0:25 utc | 116

@DaveGood #81
@Milos #91
I had read about Mercouris’s somewhat sordid background, but his analyses are excellent and his delivery quite entertaining. He has been spot on the past few months. His background does not affect his analyses, unlike Douglas Reed below.
@Paul #38
@bevin #99
Douglas Reed, who Paul took the quote from, was very much on the right – being intensely anti-communist and against the decolonization of British colonies. So, no wonder he thought a Labour government implanting socialist policies “must have been nearly the worst … a war weary country … could have received”. The people got the government they wanted, to right the pre-war wrongs for all those that had served their country. After WW2 Reed moved to apartheid South Africa and claimed that Jewish deaths in WW2 had been overstated.
It does seem though that the post-WW2 Labour government was as much for Empire as the Conservatives, at least in the immediate post-war years. A little known or talked about mutiny by troops in the Far East, who had signed up to fight Germany and Japan not foreign populations fighting for freedom from colonialism, was instrumental in freeing India and other nations from the Britain’s Empire. I have linked to a documentary about it below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1SkyxdlSR0
Corelli Barnett, in his books “The Collapse of British Power” and “The Audit of War”, argued that the Labour government in meeting the people’s needs and wasting resources trying to hang on to its empire had nothing left with which to rebuild and British industry – especially the machine tool and science based industries that it had needed so badly in both world wars. It had ended up having to liquidate much of its overseas assets to purchase machinery etc. that Germany could produce domestically. He also complains about the British educational system producing elites that were very good at the Arts and Humanities, but not good at building up the industries that Britain so badly needed.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 11 2022 0:40 utc | 117

This old adage seems to fit:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 11 2022 0:53 utc | 118

Personally, I think it’s something in the water supply. UK politicians have been getting stupider and stupider over the 60 odd years I’ve been observing them. I don’t think it can go much further – they’ll have to be spoon fed and still be in nappies as adults soon.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Feb 10 2022 18:29 utc | 41
I never seen evidence that UK politicians actually drink water. Chemical additives to milk formula ingested in infancy — that could actually do the trick, especially if aberrant behaviors like inability to learn any Russian geographic names are observed already in elementary schools.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 11 2022 1:03 utc | 119

@Peter AU1, #114:
The Empire is trying now to shape up, I can see that. But can they manage? Many barflies here still think the Empire still possess some of the top brains, the best education/research institutes, the best systems, etc. They are still awed by names such as Harvard or MIT, or Cambridge/Oxford. Reality doesn’t bore this out. Reality shows the Empire is struggling building anything!, developing anything, even knowing what and when to develop. The Empire lost their old “mentoring” system, one in which younger workers in various fields are brought along to utilityman calibers by experienced, proven competent older workers. The generation that awed the world with gadgets and new inventions are retired, many retired in bitterness and sadness. The younger generation who took their places in these fields are brown-nosers and political animals. You see them always–the Kamala Harrises, the Liz Trusses, the ones who are calling shots and seeing 1 million deaths from a mild pandemic. This is the status quo!
Yeah, they talked about supersonic weapon now. But they talked about it 15 years ago, way before Russia/China even started their programs. I wish them luck in testing their first prototype in 10 years–uhhh–I wish them luck in testing one in 20 years. In state-of-the-art weapon systems, Russia and China are ahead of the Empire and drawing further and further ahead. The Empire has already lost. It’s only a matter of how ugly the loss will look when it does happen.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 11 2022 1:09 utc | 120

@ Jen and Milos,
I read the link you provided Jen.
Alex M comes across as a decent, fair and honest.
Thank you for the link

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 1:12 utc | 121

foolisholdman @102 & Digital Spartacus @104–
I provided that answer @68, which causes me to wonder why I bother.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 11 2022 1:15 utc | 122

Dave Good @ 81.
Google. It’s good for searching banal stuff rather like wikipedia. If you must troll, try to be less amateur about it.

Posted by: Beibdnn | Feb 11 2022 1:18 utc | 123

The WeSt no longer has politicians.
Their return margins were too low and they have been substituted with Extruded Electoral Products.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 11 2022 1:18 utc | 124

For history or something somewhat removed from current politics, wikipedia is as good as anyplace to start and often a good summation of the subject.
But for anything to do with current politics, it is just another propaganda rag.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 1:33 utc | 125

One of the issues with these incompetents in the UK and in the US is their extreme arrogance and in the case of the rabid neo cons and associated sycophants, i.e. the Russia haters, their ideological mindlessness. They are either unable or unwilling to recognize the potential damage their incompetence and arrogance could and does cause.
I’m beginning to think in a tin hat conspiracy mode as to how or why does the west end up across the board with such incompetent “leaders?” I mean they are universally and really bad and weak, without exception.
I’m really beginning to think, maybe to state the obvious, that it is by design. Again, to state the obvious, these incompetents are much more easier to control and manipulate by feeding them what they want to hear and off we go into the pits of hysteria and wrongheadedness.
The missteps from the pandemic and the related strauss NWO could certainly be considered as possibilities for these efforts for control.

Posted by: Thomas | Feb 11 2022 1:42 utc | 126

[Truss] is angling for the top job if bojo falls
Posted by: A.z | Feb 10 2022 16:04 utc | 9
Reminds me “Non Angli, sed Angeli”, if one (or more) of the Angli is angling, it is hardly a surprise.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 11 2022 2:07 utc | 127

@DAvegood 81
I don’t care about what Mr. Mercouris did as a lawyer or what Google is smearing about. Maybe he was wrong back then, maybe not, who cares. That whole shit is just character assassination of a contrarian.
What I respect and hold dear are not Mr. Mercouris’ actions on British courts. It is his Analyses, like e.g. https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/litvinenko-inquiry-londons-absurd-show-trial/ri12452 , it was an eye opener for me back then, excellent research and journalism. Since then, I have followed Mr. Mercouris’ journalistic work, and found other gems of professional investigative journalism.
I do not know you as a propagandist and smearer. I feel you should be more careful, and owe an apology to Mr. Mercouris (as far as he cares).

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 11 2022 2:44 utc | 128

@ aquadraht | Feb 11 2022 2:44 utc | 129
@ Beibdnn | Feb 11 2022 1:18 utc | 124
First of all I see no reason to apologise for pointing out that someone who has a following here is a disbarred Lawyer.
It’s a fact.
That said, Jen asked me to look at his written explanation for that, I did.
I posted at #122 that I found his explanation convincing and that he comes across as “decent, fair and honest”.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 2:59 utc | 129

It is understandable that Liz Truss, currently the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom would confuse unknown places like Voronezh or Rostov with, say, Zhitomir or Vinnitsia.
Who wouldn’t?

Would anyone here have minded Lavrov contesting UK sovereignty over the 6 counties? Proposing
stationing an expeditionary force there to protect them from UK predation??
Declaring that Russia would NEVER recognize UK sovereignty over them?
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 11 2022 3:03 utc | 130

Truss….

“China must respect Falklands’ sovereignty”, foreign secretary Truss message to Beijing
The UK lambasted China for backing Argentine sovereign claims over what it calls Falkand islands. “We completely reject any questions over its sovereignty.”

Pommies getting a taste of their own medicine
hahahahahhaha..

Posted by: denk | Feb 11 2022 3:11 utc | 131

What pompous buffoon. Gosh, a nauseating virago.
How the English, nay so called West have fallen

Posted by: Cuffy | Feb 11 2022 3:27 utc | 132

@ 133 Cuffy – Here is the soundtrack for the fall.
Death in June – Death of the West

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 11 2022 3:39 utc | 133

denk 132
Very much in line with the rise and fall of empires and civilizations. The mighty anglo empire is now represented by a tart in a fur coat on a warm day.
I would have to laugh if my children were not trying to bring up their families within this consortium of wanna be has beens.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 3:40 utc | 134

@aquadraht | Feb 11 2022 2:44 utc | 129
I did some background research a couple of years back when this topic came up.
From memory, somewhat fading, it involved some alleged ‘legal’ advice he gave to another party on some matter before he was entitled to professionally — he may well have been still a student. It all went bad and he was taken to court and obviously had a nervous breakdown with so much (career) at stake. A high price to pay for a mistake. I enjoy his public analysis on numerous issues du jour — a keen mind and a steady voice we would not hear if he had gone on with a legal vocation. We all make mistakes along the way — this was his, but it has transformed to be of a positive public benefit in the end.

Posted by: imo | Feb 11 2022 3:43 utc | 135

At least MediClowns do a usefull job outside of their normal field. PoliClowns don’t, they foul their national nest.
Cuckoos like Kissinger are another harmful breed messing up many nests. CIA coo coo.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 11 2022 3:43 utc | 136

At the end of WW2 the great British elite wanted to use the conscripted men in Asia, especially in the RAF, to maintain the Empire. The men (not the officers who were mostly selected from the elite) mutinied as they had been conscripted to fight Japan and Germany, not to fight those fighting for their freedom from Empire. The men won, and the elite had to accept that the average working man could not be used in this way and helped the process of decolonization along.
Of course the British elites still f’d up Indian independence, leading to massive inter-religious violence and segregation. Then held on brutally in Kenya until the 1960s.
Fascinating documentary below, with the reaction of the elites to the lack of respect and obedience from the lower ranks. Sad that it was a Labour government that was trying to use the working class in this way. Interesting that there was a huge amount of political education among the troops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1SkyxdlSR0

Posted by: Roger | Feb 11 2022 3:51 utc | 137

Peter AU1 135
I’ve lost count how many times the FUKUS led west lectured China over Tibet, Xinjiang, HK, TW.
falun Gong, social credit, pENG Shuai,
…………
YOu name it !
Im sick of hearing China appealing the FUKUS led west to respect its sovereignty.
‘DONT GET MAD, GET EVEN’
Forchrissake
Two can play at this game
Now that China under Xi is hitting back, these FUKUS exceptional are shocked..
‘How dare those under mensch talking back to us’
‘China under Xi is getting more and more aggressive blah blah blah’
hahahahaha

Posted by: denk | Feb 11 2022 3:54 utc | 138

Maybe Liz should take part in Monty Python’s “Upper Class Twit of the Year” competition.
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/?utm_source=discover_search

Posted by: Roger | Feb 11 2022 3:56 utc | 139

Sorry, wrong link. Its this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs

Posted by: Roger | Feb 11 2022 3:57 utc | 140

denk @139 says:

‘DONT GET MAD, GET EVEN’
Forchrissake
Two can play at this game

Agree. Besides the Malvinas/Falkland, China should also support the independence of Scotland, North Ireland, Wales, etc. China also should support the return of Gibraltar to Spain, and the return of British oversea territories to the natives, e.g. Chagos Islands, Bermuda and many more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories
Furthermore, do people here know that UK actually claims a large portion of Antarctica as its land? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Antarctic_Territory
China, Russia and the rest of the world should all put this criminal country in chain forever.

Posted by: d dan | Feb 11 2022 4:53 utc | 141

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2022 20:27 utc | 63
I do not hold the same reverence of the Fourth Estate as you do. All forms of reporting are biased to some degree. That the current MSM is more blatantly controlled and censored speak to the same lack of subtlety and intelligence found in the current western political class. Both institutions are on life support infected by rampant corruption and moral malfeasance. The treatment of Assange has made a mockery of the mythos of the Fourth Estate as a pillar of truth and watchdog of democracy. It has always been used as a propaganda tool to celebrate American “exceptionalism” and separate its vaunted form of democracy from so-called authoritarians. Whether the cracks started with the media leading to the swamp or vice versa is IMO a false dichotomy like chicken or the egg.

Posted by: Vor | Feb 11 2022 4:55 utc | 142

Macron tortures Vlad Putin for six hours. Lavrov gets revenge and keeps Truss at a press conference for an entire hour.
Dangling the victim before the assembled inquisitors.
That was sweet revenge on a lame brain emissary from a lame ’empire’. Just like in the early days of the great game.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 11 2022 4:56 utc | 143

@ Roger | Feb 11 2022 3:57 utc | 141.. great little vignette roger.. truss could’ve been in the running.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 5:05 utc | 144

d dan 142
‘China, Russia and the rest of the world should all put this criminal country in chain forever.’
Dont mess with the pom..

During an event held in honour of Margaret Thatcher, who led Britain’s response to the invasion of the islands by Argentina in 1982, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace stressed Britain’s “determination” to “stand up to bullies”.
He said: “Distance should not deter Britain [from standing up to ‘bullies’], nor will the scale of the challenge.
“History is littered with the consequences of those who underestimated this small island.”

Such POMpous assholes
hehehehe

Posted by: denk | Feb 11 2022 5:14 utc | 145

DaveGood @ 122, 130, Beibdnn @ 124, Aquadraht @ 129 and interested others:
Mercouris’s former client pursued a damages claim for £200,000 against him after discovering in 2017 that he had a new career as a writer / political commentator. I’m not familiar with the outcome of the claim but the client apparently tried to appeal against the court’s decision on the claim and the appeal was struck out. The whole affair since 2017 seems to have taken on the character of a vendetta.
Links:
England and Wales High Court (Queen’s Bench Division) Decisions: Jamous vs Mercouris
EXTENSION OF TIME TO APPEAL REFUSED: HIGH COURT DECISION TODAY
I should think, given Mercouris’s prominence on The Duran and the competition The Duran and other alternative news media present to the MSM, any coverage of the client’s actions by the MSM is likely to cast Mercouris in a very bad light and to portray the client as having been treated badly by the police and the legal system.
We may not have heard the end of this issue.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 11 2022 6:15 utc | 146

Good Morning mentalists of Empire and chroniclers of its daily faster demise – too be alive in such momentous historical days! We are blessed indeed.
@ Karlof1 – thank you very much again for the full reports of the words of Lavrov and Co – they really are not reported in English MSM at all!
I wish we had such grownups in our government instead we have shit heads Brexshitheads.
Lavrov is brilliant and thinks on his feet – firing off a comparison with J Gobbles, A Truss lapped it up like some Replicant failing a empathy test on Blade Runner. ‘Oh lovely baby skin hats how delicious can I put my sexy boots on and don’t forget the winter sleigh with unicorns ..’
Liz Fucking Truss (LFT) like some new fangled NFT is attempting to channel the Grocers Daughter commoner that the City operators wifey was moulded into. (Maggie). The cad Alan Clark MP would have made a tart comment about LFT and her gold digger credentials.
Truss is not cut from the same cloth as the toffs who go on the gravy train easy track iof Eton>Oxbridge>City>Government >City again or it’s associated few other channels
She has been picked by the Great Ones from an early age because of the socio/psychopathic traits they require in their CEO/COO’s of to manage and drive the rest of the slaves.
So has Patel and Javid and every other gutter snipe that has ended up sneering and snarling like some drug dealers Rottweilers from their high positions. Just jumped up House Slaves.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 6:18 utc | 147

Next …
Sovereignty? independence? Just about every Peoples trapped into Imperial servitude by the Money through the insidious East India companies and others for centuries, had to FIGHT for that independence and gain their own sovereignty – the imperialist never just gave it up! Ask the Founding Fathers, lol. (They just wanted to run their own branch)
—————
Modern weapons?
The next war will not be fought with the new weapons of today’s wars. That is always the historical certainty.
I expect the Great and Ancient Masters have bought up patents on many innovations. The one I fear most is that they really went even madder than their tainted inbred mental miswiring and decided that they actually can control biological warfare – the only way the two year Covid and insistence on new tech vaxxes makes sense is a precursor to a deadly weapon that will spare such peoples ! I lay claim to that speculation conspiracy theory.
Any actual Weapons systems are doomed if actually fabricated in the US. Going by the regular failure of every single such system and massive cost over runs and incompetencies introduced into their manufacturing base over the decades – is the F35 any good in a real fight? We’ll soon see when the Israeli and Saudi and Gulf idiots are dumb enough to go up against a palantir or a Cjeckmate or some dinky Chinese version. As for Western hypersonics and scramjets and space war systems – don’t make me laugh.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 6:24 utc | 148

The headline of this article is an insult to mediocre people. Truss is not mediocre, she is an imbecile.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 6:26 utc | 149

Finally here are a couple of ‘Royal’ stories that will shed a light upon the grand tussles that has been raging into English nation for a millennia at least.
“Prince Charles to unveil statue of 13th-century Jewish businesswoman
Chief rabbi will bless the bronze of moneylender Licoricia to be installed in Winchester” – Wed 9 Feb 2022
Followed immediately by
“ Prince Charles cancels statue unveiling after catching Covid”
Convenient, hmm? It’s as if the Balfour Declaration was resisted after being stitched up midwar with the Fed setup and ready for its Customer.
Charlie appears to be growing a pair as he enters his 70’s – maybe the travails of his sibling and the memory of Saville and his ‘uncle’ are finally getting to even him, having been forced to split his sons for the expediency of the Crown – there is only so much greek tragedy Man can take.
—————-
This is to illustrate that the English have been slaves ever since they were invaded and taken over by the Norsemen.
Ever since we have been traded between various Slave Masters.
The basic English personality is of the common folk; that of servitude and serfs (a posh name for slave). That’s why we automatically believe Aristos and posh accented are our betters; hugely reinforced through decades of costume drama and dumbingDowntobAbbey entertainment through all media.
Heck even Royalty is nothing more than the highest class of slave – one who believes they are as great as the Owners because they do the Slave running and get to wear a Crown. Every now and then especially when they get old they suddenly refuse to jump the deadly fence.
Don’t worry he’ll be forced to kowtow because the Owners have his actual original gonads to squeeze whenever needed. Ouch.
I need a nice cuppa tea and back to sleep for a few hours before breakfast. Have a great day everyone, even you dumb trolls. Remember you too can throw a sicky like Charlie boy when you don’t want to eat any more daily shit 😀

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 6:31 utc | 150

@ Posted by: Jen | Feb 11 2022 6:15 utc | 147
Thanks for your posts on this.
I have tried not to engage in the ad hominem discussions about Alex Mercouris.
Clearly he is a smart and capable lawyer who expounds his case in a professional and timed manner. It may even seem he may display signs of a recovered stroke victim based on his facial features and delivery or he may always have been like that. I don’t know nor really care.
I do care about what exactly he says and why.
If any of these who suddenly decided to go looking for shit on the man as a means of ignoring what he is authoritatively saying want to carry on with such ad homs – I am sure I can find time for them on my dance card unless b gets to them first 😉
Right back to my tea it’s getting cold.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 6:46 utc | 151

@MikeO | Feb 11 2022 0:06 utc | 113

The simpler explanation for Mr. lavrov’s question is that Rostov and Voronezh Oblasts are the areas in Russia immediately east of Ukraine where the Russian troops that so unsettle the West are located.

I am guessing that Lavrov, on the basis of Truss’ confusion regarding Baltic countries being near the Black Sea, suspected that Truss didn’t know the names of the Donbass provinces Donetsk and Luhansk. So by asking “Do you recognize the sovereignty of Russia over the Rostov and Voronezh regions?” he was passing the ball for her to score a massive own goal. And she did.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 7:01 utc | 152

@Thomas | Feb 11 2022 1:42 utc | 127

I’m really beginning to think, maybe to state the obvious, that it is by design. Again, to state the obvious, these incompetents are much more easier to control and manipulate by feeding them what they want to hear and off we go into the pits of hysteria and wrongheadedness.

You are stating the obvious indeed. And it is correct.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 7:08 utc | 153

Soon UK will have an Indian PM. That’s good The new front with China… Good luck

Posted by: JP | Feb 11 2022 7:10 utc | 154

DaveGood | Feb 10 2022 22:06 utc | 81
Says:
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I keep seeing the name, (and the opinions) of Alex Mercouris being cited here as an authority whose views are worth listening too, so I googled him.
He was is a disbarred British lawyer who admitted five counts of ( among other things) forgery, attempting to misleading the Courts, andfalse accusations of corruption against a Judge.
Apparently his defense was, he was having a nervous breakdown at the time.
Make of that what you will..
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This, I would say, is inadvertently misleading (although it has been pasted all over the Internet). Here is Alexander himself has to say about the events:
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Alexander Mercouris — on Medium — Apr 2, 2016
My Battle with Depression — How Misdiagnosis and Medical Malpractice Almost Killed Me
[….]
At the time, because my will had been undermined my depression, and because my judgement had become clouded by the effect of the drugs, I could not do so. Nor was I able to insist that she leave me alone, or take action to ensure that she did so.
Instead I fell back on fantasies, which by this point were becoming increasingly bizarre, and in which I increasingly involved her. What this involved was inventing increasingly fantastic scenarios, which I gave to this person in place of real advice or action. At one point I told her I had been kidnapped by the former Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales and that he had tried to bribe me.
[….]
After suffering years of neglect at the hands of the NHS, I at last came into contact with a powerful institution that was concerned about me and which took my condition seriously.
Once the Bar Council grasped that I had not acted out of malice or greed (I had never asked for or received money), and that my behaviour was caused by depression and drug-induced madness, they treated me with scrupulous kindness and fairness. Though in light of what had happened I had to be disbarred — something I asked for myself if only to protect myself — it was the Bar Council’s involvement that finally pushed the NHS to provide me with therapy instead of drugs.
//~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So in the autumn of 2007, Mr. Alex Mercouris fell into very severe depression and began taking prescribed drugs with the apparent effect of causing a psychotic mental state. I see no record of him having been convicted of any crimes during that period. He appears to have become a brilliant geopolitical analyst, whom I follow every day now.

Posted by: blues | Feb 11 2022 7:12 utc | 155

@d dan | Feb 11 2022 4:53 utc | 142

Furthermore, do people here know that UK actually claims a large portion of Antarctica as its land? See: “>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Antarctic_Territory

Yes, and as it happens, Norway does the same thing 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependencies_of_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 7:19 utc | 156

@DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 6:46 utc | 152

I have tried not to engage in the ad hominem discussions about Alex Mercouris.

In my experience you can lie or be wrong about stuff with any consequence. But if you start to make sense or tell some actual truth contrary to current narratives you will quickly find yourself personally attacked.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 7:35 utc | 157

Bidens handlers want a conflict!
And keep the hysteria at max.
The sky is falling!
We’re going to make sure it does anyway!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-warns-americans-leave-ukraine-russia-troops-world-war-rcna15781

Posted by: Jpc | Feb 11 2022 7:52 utc | 158

It’s easy to dump on Truss – but also pointless, since she has no authority and no real significance, and would not have such even if she were installed as Prime Minister.
I was struck, yesterday, by a photo published in the local paper (which is always, like all South African propaganda outlets, Russophobe) of a supposed Ukrainian soldier in a bunker near the separatist zone. It looked like almost all the photos I’ve seen of Ukrainian soldiers supposedly guarding the border; a plump, slovenly-looking person in a dirty snow-suit with a poorly-maintained rifle and little or no webbing or other personal equipment. The bunker was supported with fragile-looking timber and certainly would not have survived a 120mm mortar or 122mm rocket round, to say nothing of air-dropped munitions or serious bunker-busting weapons.
Then it occurred to me: why deploy your army along the border of the separatist zone if you are worried about a Russian invasion? Why should the Russians come through the separatist zone? What do you do if they come along some other part of the very long border?
Then it occurred to me: the Guardian recently had an “expose” of the Russian military buildup; they went to Kursk, and while they couldn’t find any military forces (typical British journalism, I’d judge – Kursk has surely been a big military base since before World War II) they did find some “citizenry” who testified to being terrified by vast tank armies. I looked at where Kursk is, and it is a long way from the Ukrainian border, a couple of hours’ tank drive at least. But it is also a long way from the separatist zone, and if the Russian military is massing there – and the Ukrainian secret service presumably knows better than two visiting British firemen – then they should not put their troops in a position to get outflanked and wiped out by those forces. Or do the Ukrainians know something the British don’t?
Indeed, if the Ukrainians believed that there was a war coming, wouldn’t they pull their troops right back to Kyiv? After all, the Russian military would have absolute air supremacy and the only thing the Ukrainians could do would be to force the Russians to spread themselves out over a large space. The alternative would be to imitate the behaviour of the Poles when the Germans invaded in September 1939, and we all know how that turned out.
The interesting thing about the whole affair is that militarily it makes no sense whatsoever, and yet all the military pundits seem to be ignoring this. Either they are being paid to ignore it, or Western military experts are even less competent than their record suggests.

Posted by: MFB | Feb 11 2022 8:13 utc | 159

Don’t be too hard on Liz Truss when she’s not as bad as some senior people in Australia who get Russia and China mixed up.
It seemed that Russiagate had reached Australia with attempts to interfere in the elections there. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russia-foreign-interference-australian-election/100819910 . But that article was later updated to reveal that it was the Chinese who were behind the alleged plot:
“Initially, the ABC cited intelligence sources who said the likely “puppeteer” behind the conspiracy was a Russian figure, although it has now been confirmed the culprit was, in fact, working for the Chinese government.”
The Chinese plot is also reported in a major newspaper down under. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-spies-attempted-to-install-labor-candidates-in-federal-election-20220211-p59vmj.html

Posted by: Brendan | Feb 11 2022 8:29 utc | 160

Chill everybody, Britain hasn’t been a major power since its defeat in the Suez Crisis and isn’t becoming one any time soon. Washington can use them for low-risk trial balloons and provocations, because nobody will feel seriously threatened as long as it’s just the Brits. The British eagerly serve and Washington humors them with their delusions–everybody happy. Ms. Truss’s only goal for this visit (at least her minders’ goal) was to inflame tensions, but Russia invited her anyway; did she fail?
I like “Mediocracy” whether it was intentional or not. But week in week out, the Anglos completely set the agenda for Europe. Wasn’t one of the best things about Brexit that we could finally put an end to that? If Westminster is a clown car, then what does that make the rest of us?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 8:38 utc | 161

” “We are offering extra supplies and support into our Baltic allies across the Black Sea.”
When I read this, i first thought it was only a slip of tongue, saying “Black” instead of “Baltic” sea because they both stat with the letter “B”. But then came the other Russian regions, which are withing the heartland of European Russia.
This makes me wonder if the can place more distant regions like Xīnjiāng or the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands or Norway and Sweden correctly on the map if ever asked.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Feb 11 2022 8:41 utc | 162

O/T: the other day I saw some barflies wondering about Engdahl’s piece why Soros is targeting Pres. Xi. Lots of pop psychology and speculations about Beijing palace intrigue. How can people not get this?? Soros and his ilk, basically the entire Empire, are targeting the Chinese state. But to put your cards on the table like that, saying you wish for the Somalization of a nuclear power of 1.4b people, would be–indiscreet. So you focus on a Bad Guy to demonize, and converge around a narrative “We want to help the Chinese by replacing him with a Good Guy” (or girl; or most likely, something in-between). Yes it’s smart, but it’s also what Soros c.s. have always done, with devastating success. Shape up you goyim, and you’ll figure it out.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 8:59 utc | 163

Since Mercouris has become subject of this thread I would highly recommend a podcast of him appearing with Scot Ridder over at consortium News in a discussion moderated by Joe Luria. This has to be the best analysis of the NATO-Ukraine-Russia situation that I have seen. Good news, if these guys are even half way correct, the US is losing and losing badly.

Posted by: Toivos | Feb 11 2022 9:06 utc | 164

Just in case any of you cynical types are starting to wonder about the relationship between this Biden administration and the royalty of Europe, Joe wants to make one thing clear.
The Bidens positively HATE the English

Joe Biden President’s mother so disliked England she refused to sleep in bed Queen had slept in
President’s mother so disliked England she refused to sleep in bed Queen had slept in

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/10/joe-bidens-mother-so-disliked-england-she-refused-to-sleep-in-bed-queen-had-slept-in

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 11 2022 9:29 utc | 165

This sounds like a surrender by the Yanks and Bozo overnight.
“US president urges all Americans to leave Ukraine immediately,”
It must have been made very clear to them all – the PMC’s especially – that all of them are known and where they are based and they will receive some wonderful attention within minutes of any stupidity by the poxy proxies being wound up to poke the bear in the Donbass region. Only Dumb asses of the Azov and ‘Right Group’ Nazis would be dumb enough to want to martyr themselves now – having been given a clear message by the yanks and Brits that none of our boots and boys will be sitting ducks from behind the front lines this time. And Unravel me is now on its own. Just like Afghanistan was when it to became indefensible against a civil war.
Run you Banderist rabbits Run!!
Run you PMC’s with your tax free wages!
Run rabbits RUN.
the Guardian put up this story at 3.30 at night!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 9:34 utc | 166

„Truss came dressed with a fur hat and gloves to a Moscow that today was warmer than London.”
She has no idea that Dr. Zhivago was filmed in Spain.

Posted by: birgit | Feb 11 2022 9:49 utc | 167

@Toivos | Feb 11 2022 9:06 utc | 165
“over at consortium News”
Umm did I wake up today and find out I’m too old for the internets now? Neither on their main site, nor on CN Live. I don’t like them that much even though Parry was a giant (then again, Walt was a giant and what did Disney company do with that heritage): moderation is very slow and they’re ridiculously censorious. Really can’t do that sort of thing stateside anymore.
Scott Ritter is trained to think in terms of Western mil vs Soviet mil, and good on that beat. But this episode foremost looks like an Anglo narrative attack on Europe, which is going just fine. Then again if I knew it all I wouldn’t need a link, so thanks for any help.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 9:52 utc | 168

@153 Norwegian Yeah, but Truss’ blooper is much, much more than simply plonkin’ herself down without checking to see if Lavrov had put a whoopie-cushion there.
Any politician worthy of the name *knows* that everything they say in public will exist forever.
There is no escaping from your words from the past.
None.
So any politician of any skill knows to always talk in generalities. To waffle an answer that means nothing but sounds Churchillian.
So if Truss had any political instincts at all then she would have played a straight bat to Lavrov’s question.
Something like: The UK recognizes the sovereignty and territorial integrity of *all* states in the region. As you well know, my good sir! Do not take us for cads, for We Are British to our core!!!!!!
All very meaningless. All very bombastic. And none of it gives so much of a hint that Truss wouldn’t know where Rostov was if Lavrov pointed it out to her in an atlas.
That’s what a skilled politician would do, and Truss has just revealed herself to be utterly lacking in skill.
A dimwit, in a word.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 11 2022 9:57 utc | 169

@John Cleary | Feb 11 2022 9:29 utc | 166
“The Bidens positively HATE the English”
The English used starvation as a tool of genocide both in Ireland and India; now doing Yemen just to retain the skill set. They also tortured Obama’s father(?) during the Mau Mau era. What goes around, comes around.
Not holding my breath, but were Iraq or Russia ever to come out on top, lots of naughtiness would also be remembered.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 10:00 utc | 170

@DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 9:34 utc | 167
“This sounds like a surrender by the Yanks and Bozo overnight.”
Why? The hundred merry men which Boris sent were never going to march on Moscow; last time round, 150 divisions were not enough. This is them pushing the “Russian agression” meme, with which they’ve totally boxed in the clueless Scholz government.
Aren’t we debating the difference between smart and wise–whether all these antics will leave them with something viable long-term.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 10:10 utc | 171

@DunGroanin | Feb 11 2022 9:34 utc | 167
–and for a split-second I thought you wrote “run rabbis run” which would’ve been mean, but also hilarious.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 10:16 utc | 172

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2022 22:11 utc | 84

As I heard, instead of answers honestly, from each country, the European Union wants to make a collective paper where all the nuances of national positions will be leveled [erased]. I am convinced that in this case we will not be able to talk. We will think about how to get out of this situation.”

Truss is not a member of the EU. Yet she speaks on their behalf?
That is, if anything, the biggest faux pas of all.
Says it all about Europeans whoring themselves to the highest bidder

It does seem though that the post-WW2 Labour government was as much for Empire as the Conservatives, at least in the immediate post-war years.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 11 2022 0:40 utc | 118
“And Churchill said to Louis Mountbatten ‘I just can’t bear to see you today
How could you have given India away?
And Mountbatten just frowned and said ‘What can I say.
Some of these things slip through your hands, and there’s no use talking or making plans…”
a tart in a fur coat on a warm day.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 3:40 utc | 135
As we used to say…All fur coat and no knickers.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 10:00 utc | 171
Ma, I’m a “plastic paddy”. That is why I am still alive.
I know all about Ireland

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 11 2022 10:40 utc | 173

Ma, it’s here
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/02/watch-new-cn-live-a-bear-trap-in-ukraine/

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 11 2022 10:47 utc | 174

@160
One possibility for the Ukrainian troops placement is they actually plan on invading The Donbas in mass.
Another possibility is Russia having to transport and process 100,000 POWs would be difficult.
“US president urges all Americans to leave Ukraine immediately,”
Could be that whatever NATO is planning on doing to try to get a war going may take place soon.
If it is just a terrorist attack or a raid on Donbas or Russian citizens how will Russia respond?

Posted by: ArthurDent | Feb 11 2022 10:48 utc | 175

@John Cleary | Feb 11 2022 10:47 utc | 175
Thanks! Even in retrospect, not that easy to find without your link; several writers in their stable would deserve a better site. Even before clicking it, I learned “Plastic paddy”* by looking it up–exactly what I’m here for!

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 11 2022 11:04 utc | 176

I was wrong to post the photo of Truss alone after the presser, and say that Lavrov went off in a huff.
He may have been upset and less diplomatic than usual, but he is always the gentleman. A clip of the same moment goes on to show that Lavrov only moved as far as the door, outside the fixed viewpoint of the camera, which he then held open for her to pass through.
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However, Truss said what she had been told to say. Nothing more or nor less. It is obvious that the situation (Kiev-Rus) is being run by someone, one or several “agencies”, and the principal actors are exactly that – actors. She read her script. The pained look in her eyes was her trying to remember it.
Which is a conclusion the majority here have already arrived at.
However, to “know thy enemy” you have to identify it-him-her-them with accuracy, which I reckon we still need to do correctly, as the exact script is repeated endlessly by others. Maybe the object is to bore us into submission?

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 11 2022 11:20 utc | 177

no one should be wearing fur, let’s just torture and slaughter some innocent beings so I can pretend to have class

Posted by: abee | Feb 11 2022 12:13 utc | 178

” in order to push them to war. As we know, it worked. Popcorn or patience…”
the only difference being usa and others back then could blockade and force open yokohama and stop the flow of oil which results in industrial revolution stoppage in japan. What would they achieve with this nowadays? Oil blockade of russia and china? push them into war when the other sides eastern euro or se asia have no oil and could be blockaded from the iranian in middle east and venezuela cuba can definitely bomb the couple of refineries in houston and port Arthur maybe the Yemeni would like to help too in uae?? Tactics look like good strategies when you have massive firepower.
Killing soleimani really cemented the kings of the east. All these talks are just rumors and people who think everyones situation is a Japan.
This kind of litter from Britain’s representatives is really embarrassing.
Talking like they could even match the mongol empire dominance……..
Even if uk and her common wealth pawns were to bring their entire navy in east china seas that it would really do much of anything….if they thought so they would have done it with the handover of hong kong. That is how mediocre the combined lot is back in 97

Posted by: jason | Feb 11 2022 12:20 utc | 179

Just for entertainment purposes I tried to find some mention of the Truss faux pas in the more “accessable” media. Nothing. Not a word other than the plucky British government is doing everything in its power to stop the evil Russian horde.
I then wondered whether there would be more coverage had Boris made the idiotic comment, given that he seems to be nominated for execution at the moment.
Why do we listen to politicians? It’s not as if they are the decision makers, is it.

Posted by: Occasional poster | Feb 11 2022 12:24 utc | 180

Walt was a giant ahole who snitched for the fbi and ripped off his content creators.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 11 2022 13:28 utc | 181

i finally agree with Biden, americans should leave Ukraine, and so should NATO.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 11 2022 13:31 utc | 182

I found this reply in the wilderness of UNZ’s (now mostly)toxic commenting section.
Even so it’s off-topic but it reflects reality: MSM in general but also certain alternative info-sites (as long as it suits its agenda like ZeroH:’endless’ China bashing, for instance) have morphed into a propganda quicksand from ultra sophisticated to utter stupid. And people stuck with that.
And little ‘POOR’ Britain’s Truss is just another tip of those icebergs.
Apropos, the UK has been since ever a master in white-washing her own bloody history, read a bit about Victoria I, the terrible:
https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/5447/
I, personally can only sign up to those lines, ’cause I also know both countries well, and when I read here some statements, I wonder what source seems to be approved as being authentic or actually factual.
# unz reply:
Says the one pseudo-informed from a country that’ve been bombarded by crap “experts” like Tucker & Co., where NYT, WP & TECM rivals Goebbel’s ‘Der Angriff” with China smears of disgusting proportions, including total lies and frabrications. And never forget besides those Western echo-chambers the rest of this WORLD views the so called U$A rather as one bloody & cruel laughing-stock.
But of course, you go to this side being disgruntled by all sorts of MSM propaganda to keep American sheeple willingly disinformed – YET – when IT comes down to CHN go for IT !!!!!! Indeed, you must know so much better.
Congratulations !
PS.: I do know both countries quite well, but for some time now when I travel through America, all what I can say IT looks and feels quite washed-up, especially mentally.
The right place for you.

Posted by: MD | Feb 11 2022 13:32 utc | 183

Oriental Voice @107:
If I recall, there was a study conducted by two US universities that claimed the true US debt is well north of $100 Trillion. Regardless of what the true amount is, we all know DC have no intention to pay it off.
denk@132:
Northern Ireland would be a good place to start. The Chinese is likely seeing the UK attempting to stir things up in Taiwan. The gloves haven’t come off but, it’s a good start to fire off a few warning shots over their bow. It’ll be interesting to see what the Chinese would do if Scotland manages to get another referendum.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 11 2022 13:58 utc | 184

Truss is a moron but that matters not a jot. The false assumption is that Bojo, Truss or whoever, have real power. They don’t. The real power is held by the unelected, unaccountable, invisible mostly, security services and their friends in the military industrial complex. They follow budget maximising policies so they themselves create the risk of war assessments, ‘advise’ their governments how to meet this falsely created threat, and kerching, double vodkas all round.
The real danger to these neocons is if the leaders like Bojo, Truss, Macron and Biden were in any way bright as they’d see through the bullshit and not buy into the crap. You’re expecting them to use judgement when it’s their wallets that are driving them towards war.

Posted by: Ingwe | Feb 11 2022 15:56 utc | 185

@MFB | Feb 11 2022 8:13 utc | 161
Your questions and analysis are very meaningful. Combine those facts with the incessant clamour by western representatives that Russia move its armed forces (within its own territory) far away from the Ukraine border. Truss the ignoramus, could only repeat herself insisting that Russia move its troops. Even Macron playing the smooth ‘Peace-maker’ bragged about a concession he had ‘achieved’ from the Russians to move their troops out of Belarus.
This is a huge tell about their ultimate intension – to encourage and position the Ukraine forces to attack the separatist enclaves. This is mirrored by the obvious fact that Russia positioned its forces where they are to exactly discourage such an action.
But even this planned provocation doesn’t make sense on its own merit. The Ukrainian forces would be wiped out no matter where the Russians position their forces, and the Ukies know this.
I believe the ultimate prize is to provoke an action that could be used for economic war, i.e. ‘SANCTIONS FROM HELL’. Not only ‘isolating’ Russia but more importantly – isolating Europe. NS2 and all of Europe are the target. The Europeans are FUCKED and the ones with a brain know this. Remember the UK is ‘not in Europe’ and will gain as the Europeans be come handicapped in their ability to do business as they wish.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 11 2022 16:33 utc | 186

DaveGood 81
The way to check that is to listen to several of his analyses and check how well they are supported by subsequent events, not to repeat some gossip totally unrelated to the ability to examine international policy in a discussion that has nothing to do with the guy’s blog. Did you start by confessing your past misadventures, by the way?

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 11 2022 16:54 utc | 187

Liz Truss is chosen by murdoch as candidate of UK’s PM. (Or England, the chance of Scotland and North Ireland leave UK become higher and higher since hard brexit)

Posted by: Russell | Feb 11 2022 16:55 utc | 188

Wasn’t it Jen Psaki who during the reign of Obama suggested to move the 6th fleet “to the shores of Belarus”?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 17:10 utc | 189

Piero Colombo | Feb 11 2022 16:54 utc | 189
Mr. Good sure leaves a scent of TROLL (more often than not) when posting a comment. His Passive-Aggressive method is rather discernable and indicative. I find that he games his comments and the follow up responses.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 11 2022 17:20 utc | 190

Dear God,
I am not “repeating gossip”, nor am I blowing up some trivial matter into some sort of major Scandal.
Alex Mercouris freely admits that, amongst other things, he Slandered a Judge, forged documents and attempted to deceive the courts.
If that had come off, blameless people would have been ruined.
Normally behaviour like that would get a jail sentence.
However it is clear he did not do it for any sort of personal gain and he provides a written explanation ( which Jen pointed me too, and I believe) that it was the result of severe mental depression and the effects of inappropiate, medically prescribed, powerfully mood altering drugs that led him into a downward spiral of bad judgments.
Having read his explanation I came here and posted that I now considered him “decent, fair and honest”.
I have no opinion on his qualities as a commentator because I detest podcasts and video’s ( They are, by and large, the favoured tools of narcissists who seek to monetize thier opinions, and swap Bullshit for Banknotes) so I don’t know what they are and passed no judgement on them.
Is that good enough? Can we all move on now?

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 17:31 utc | 191

Reuters: “Britain does not dispute the sovereignty of the regions in question. A British source said Truss had misheard during the meeting, and rejected Peskov’s characterisation of the West’s understanding of the conflict. “It’s total rubbish and classic Russian propaganda,” the source said.”
Biden met with his Ukraine advisors last night. The rather hysteric tone this A.M. – i.e. all Americans should immediately depart Ukraine – was delivered ahead of a conference call featuring many leaders from NATO countries. British tabloid press is reporting division over scope of proposed sanctions measures, with the Germans wondering why NS2 gets shut down while US imports of Russian petroleum products remain.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1564276/joe-biden-olaf-scholz-us-germany-russia-vladimir-putin-latest-update

Posted by: jayc | Feb 11 2022 18:20 utc | 192

@DaveGood 67
Mercouris has fully owned up to earlier mistakes, and paid for them, which cannot be said for most politicians or pundits. He does bring a good to at times excellent point of view – depending on the topic – that is much worth listening to. His analysis of the Litvinenko inquiry, the Skripal fantasy with the resulting ‘highly likely stories are commendable. I suggest you look for his analysis of any judicial issues, and in particular how Russia is playing this current crisis while referring to ‘legally binding guarantees’.

Posted by: JosAndre | Feb 11 2022 19:01 utc | 193

@35 BlueDotterel. Agreed. The hypocrisy and projection coming from this Liberal government is fit only for a Banana Republic.
The convoy should just give apologies for the 1 example of racism in almost 3 weeks in Ottawa. That’s all JT had to do and he was blackfaced like 3 times. That a clearly proven rascist and mysoginoist PM can even utter these words and be taken seriously just highlights how media in Canada is paid off.
Works for the Liberals its gotta work for the Convoy. Just say sorry and it all goes away right JT?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 11 2022 19:14 utc | 194

DaveGood @193
Fiddlesticks. None of that has any relevance on the apropriateness, or not, of his political analysis; said or written by Joe Blow, God himself, or Goebbels, the words and the presentation of facts (all freely available to inquiring minds) stand by themselves. And you know it. Your irrelevant intervention is therefore a diversion and apologizing for the impropriety of the attack only makes it worse. That you don’t like political commentary is likewise irrelevant.
Again: words have to be checked on their logic and facts, period.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 11 2022 19:34 utc | 195

@ JosAndre | Feb 11 2022 19:01 utc | 195
I don’t watch talking head video blogs, not on anything serious. I find them annoying for all sorts of reasons, not least the amount of time wasted watching someone display themselves.
I can read and comprehend the transcript of any video in one third time it takes to watch it.
Text is far superior to video when you have something meaningful to say.
And unless interviews are done by someone who is hostile, or at least nuetral towards the person being interviewed I don’t watch those either.
Watching someone answer the question “Exactly what is it that makes you so wonderful?” Is all over the blogosphere.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 19:43 utc | 196

@ Piero Colombo | Feb 11 2022 19:34 utc | 197
Fair enough, I will not address any further remarks to you.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 11 2022 19:49 utc | 197

I am sure that, with The Duran and other alt-news sites challenging the Russophobic / Sinophobic MSM narrative, commentators on The Duran like Alexander Mercouris will come under more MSM attack and criticism. The MO is to find any past dirt on these people that can be used against them. I am not surprised that people Googling for information on Mercouris – esp someone like DaveGood who lives in Britain – discover a plethora of old UK media articles on his disbarment in 2012; possibly someone may have designed and put in an algorithm on the Google search engine to dig up and attach those articles to his name.
In recent years the client involved in the case that led to Mercouris’s disbarment pursued a damages claim through the courts. This led to renewed MSM interest in the whole disbarment issue, without the conplicated and sad context leading up to it. I suspect this interest was cynical on their part.
If there is anything else to squeeze out of this whole affair, the MSM is sure to worry it like an old rag. This is something that will dog Mercouris for a long, long time. I think he will probably have to address this on The Duran itself at some later stage; it is the sort of “personal baggage” that online trolls love to seize on.
I do declare a personal interest, having conversed with Mercouris in the past on the Sublime Oblivion and the old Kremlin Stooge blogs. That was well before Mercouris co-founded The Duran some years ago. I have had no correspondence with him since then.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 11 2022 20:32 utc | 198

Posted by: Simplicius | Feb 10 2022 15:49 utc | 3
Oh, but what they did is even better than that. You see, Ms. Truss’s “mishearing” of or actual stupidity manifested in a(nother) geographic blunder is actually…wait for it…you guessed it.
RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA!
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-cites-truss-error-evidence-west-doesnt-understand-ukraine-conflict-2022-02-11/
You couldn’t write slapstick comedy better than this shit. The “adults” are driving the car blind and heading for a cliff.

MOSCOW, Feb 11 (Reuters) – The Kremlin on Friday cited a geographical gaffe by British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss as an example of how poorly informed Western leaders were about the subject matter in the East-West standoff over Ukraine.
Britain dismissed the comments as propaganda and said Truss had simply misheard Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov during a meeting.
“This is the reality in which we have to defend our position,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a briefing.
Russia’s Kommersant newspaper quoted two diplomatic sources as saying that during their closed-door meeting on Thursday Lavrov had asked Truss if she recognised Russian sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh – two regions in the south of the country where Russia has been building up its forces.
Kommersant said Truss replied that Britain would never recognise them as Russian, and had to be corrected by her ambassador.
Britain does not dispute the sovereignty of the regions in question. A British source said Truss had misheard during the meeting, and rejected Peskov’s characterisation of the West’s understanding of the conflict.
“It’s total rubbish and classic Russian propaganda,” the source said.

Reuters doing its assigned job of mopping up for Empire. Thing is, they’re no better at that than Truss is at Eastern European geography. LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 11 2022 21:01 utc | 199

Posted by: jayc | Feb 11 2022 18:20 utc | 194
Yes, Reuters is playing cleanup man for Truss’s stupidity. Nothing but Russian propaganda, move along, nothing to see here…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 11 2022 21:02 utc | 200