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February 04, 2022

The Great Russian Chinese Fireworks Of Beijing

While the fireworks of the Winter Olympics Opening Ceremony light up the sky over Beijing another firework comes in the form of a

Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the International Relations Entering a New Era and the Global Sustainable Development

by President Vladimir Putin of Russia and the President of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping.

It is a long political statement touching many issues and can be seen as a common program Russia and China want to pursue.

The joint statement's introduction is followed by four parts covering democratic principals, global development cooperation between Russia and China, concerns about global governance issues and a reaffirmation of support for multipolar organizations.

It is altogether a well aimed shot against the United States which makes multiple appearances in the text without being named. The quotes below focus on those parts.

The intro:

The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China, hereinafter referred to as the sides, state as follows.

Today, the world is going through momentous changes, and humanity is entering a new era of rapid development and profound transformation. It sees the development of such processes and phenomena as multipolarity, economic globalization, the advent of information society, cultural diversity, transformation of the global governance architecture and world order; there is increasing interrelation and interdependence between the States; a trend has emerged towards redistribution of power in the world; and the international community is showing a growing demand for the leadership aiming at peaceful and gradual development. At the same time, as the pandemic of the new coronavirus infection continues, the international and regional security situation is complicating and the number of global challenges and threats is growing from day to day. Some actors representing but the minority on the international scale continue to advocate unilateral approaches to addressing international issues and resort to force; they interfere in the internal affairs of other states, infringing their legitimate rights and interests, and incite contradictions, differences and confrontation, thus hampering the development and progress of mankind, against the opposition from the international community.

The sides call on all States to pursue well-being for all and, with these ends, to build dialogue and mutual trust, strengthen mutual understanding, champion such universal human values as peace, development, equality, justice, democracy and freedom, respect the rights of peoples to independently determine the development paths of their countries and the sovereignty and the security and development interests of States, to protect the United Nations-driven international architecture and the international law-based world order, seek genuine multipolarity with the United Nations and its Security Council playing a central and coordinating role, promote more democratic international relations, and ensure peace, stability and sustainable development across the world.

Part 1 declares that democracy is a universal human value but notes necessary differences in its implementation:

There is no one-size-fits-all template to guide countries in establishing democracy. A nation can choose such forms and methods of implementing democracy that would best suit its particular state, based on its social and political system, its historical background, traditions and unique cultural characteristics. It is only up to the people of the country to decide whether their State is a democratic one.

This followed by another appearance of the United States:

Certain States' attempts to impose their own ”democratic standards“ on other countries, to monopolize the right to assess the level of compliance with democratic criteria, to draw dividing lines based on the grounds of ideology, including by establishing exclusive blocs and alliances of convenience, prove to be nothing but flouting of democracy and go against the spirit and true values of democracy. Such attempts at hegemony pose serious threats to global and regional peace and stability and undermine the stability of the world order.

Part 2 is about common support for global development as well as bilateral measures supporting it.

In part 3 both sides express a common world view of the current geopolitical climate. Russia is supporting China's viewpoint on Taiwan and AUKUS while China is supporting the current Russian demands towards the U.S. and NATO. They see each other as allies in the confrontation with the U.S.:

The sides are gravely concerned about serious international security challenges and believe that the fates of all nations are interconnected. No State can or should ensure its own security separately from the security of the rest of the world and at the expense of the security of other States. The international community should actively engage in global governance to ensure universal, comprehensive, indivisible and lasting security.

The sides reaffirm their strong mutual support for the protection of their core interests, state sovereignty and territorial integrity, and oppose interference by external forces in their internal affairs.

Both oppose the cold war block strategy the U.S. is pursuing against them:

The sides believe that certain States, military and political alliances and coalitions seek to obtain, directly or indirectly, unilateral military advantages to the detriment of the security of others, including by employing unfair competition practices, intensify geopolitical rivalry, fuel antagonism and confrontation, and seriously undermine the international security order and global strategic stability. The sides oppose further enlargement of NATO and call on the North Atlantic Alliance to abandon its ideologized cold war approaches, to respect the sovereignty, security and interests of other countries, the diversity of their civilizational, cultural and historical backgrounds, and to exercise a fair and objective attitude towards the peaceful development of other States. The sides stand against the formation of closed bloc structures and opposing camps in the Asia-Pacific region and remain highly vigilant about the negative impact of the United States' Indo-Pacific strategy on peace and stability in the region. Russia and China have made consistent efforts to build an equitable, open and inclusive security system in the Asia-Pacific Region (APR) that is not directed against third countries and that promotes peace, stability and prosperity.

Both sides express support for the various global arms reduction treaties and security conventions.

This is followed in part 4 by support for support for international organizations both have interests in like the United Nations, WTO, G20, BRICS, SCO, APEC and Asean.

The sides underline that Russia and China, as world powers and permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, intend to firmly adhere to moral principles and accept their responsibility, strongly advocate the international system with the central coordinating role of the United Nations in international affairs, defend the world order based on international law, including the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, advance multipolarity and promote the democratization of international relations, together create an even more prospering, stable, and just world, jointly build international relations of a new type.

A reaffirmation of their strong alliance:

The sides call for the establishment of a new kind of relationships between world powers on the basis of mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and mutually beneficial cooperation. They reaffirm that the new inter-State relations between Russia and China are superior to political and military alliances of the Cold War era. Friendship between the two States has no limits, there are no ”forbidden“ areas of cooperation, strengthening of bilateral strategic cooperation is neither aimed against third countries nor affected by the changing international environment and circumstantial changes in third countries.

This is followed by another shot against the United States, its phantom 'rules based order' and damaging sanction policies:

The sides reiterate the need for consolidation, not division of the international community, the need for cooperation, not confrontation. The sides oppose the return of international relations to the state of confrontation between major powers, when the weak fall prey to the strong. The sides intend to resist attempts to substitute universally recognized formats and mechanisms that are consistent with international law for rules elaborated in private by certain nations or blocs of nations, and are against addressing international problems indirectly and without consensus, oppose power politics, bullying, unilateral sanctions, and extraterritorial application of jurisdiction, as well as the abuse of export control policies, and support trade facilitation in line with the rules of the World Trade Organization (WTO).

The U.S. will say that the above is just some grand declaration with no meaning. But it is much more. It is a political program that China and Russia as well as their allies will be working on for the next decades.

Asian as well as European countries should consider if they want to support or oppose it. They should recognize that siding with the U.S. against China and Russia guarantees that they will find themselves on the losing side.

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IMHO the Putin-Xi joint statement was highly underwhelming, just we are Best Friends Forever, with zero initiatives or agreements announced. Sounds to me like Putin will be taking things slowly in Ukraine and more generally, and has a timeline of 1-2 years rather than 1-2 months.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 15:41 utc | 1

throughout my life, I have heard many say that the US will have to ally with Russia against the Chinese. Though I don't really understand why the US has to be against anyone it did seem reasonable that most white anglosaxons have more in common with Russians than Chinese.

well, now it seems that our brilliant betters have completely f@cked that up and have created conditions where China and Russia are now putting up a united front against the US.

I can only see Jack Nicholson's character in Mars Attacks where he implores "Why can't we all just get along?"

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 4 2022 16:02 utc | 2

Thanks for the posting b

I think this should put a stop to empire trying to divide China/Russia.

Kicking the UN out of the US is one of the next orders of business for poor losers.

I wonder if any of American TV addicts are going to read the joint statement or only believe the lies and obfuscation about it that the MSM will develop?

What should be highly entertaining is the "spin" that empire puts on this declaration about the future of social organizations.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2022 16:13 utc | 3

The agreement basically said “I agree with you, you agree with me, let’s all be family.” In boilerplate general language with no concrete new initiatives or agreements announced at all. I have been a “pessimist” about the likelihood of some large Russian escalation, but even I expected something more from Friday’s meeting in Beijing, like a concrete announcement/surprise on the planned Chinese-Russian SWIFT alternative at the least.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 16:20 utc | 4

America cannot hope to conquer Russia or China. The plan is regime change through sanctions. Repeated, unending sanctions are equal to a de facto declaration of war that encompasses a blockage, siege, and embargo, implementation of which will result in the populace rising up and overthrowing their ruler followed by a color revolution and the installation of a puppet regime that owes its support and success to the United States. A similar practice was used by the League of Nations before WW2 and we know how that worked out.

Posted by: Reno | Feb 4 2022 16:22 utc | 5

Thanks for reporting on this for us, b. It's clear that our Orwellian western news media will not.

None of these important statements will be mentioned to the heavily-propagandized populations of Oceania (UKUSA, Anglo-Atlanticists, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, Indo-Pacific, AUKUS,) let alone discussed and analyzed.

(Just like yesterday's establishment TV coverage of the US commando raid made no mention of the fact that the ISIS leader lived in the Turkish-controlled part of Syria, right by the border of Turkey, a NATO country. No map was shown, no questions asked, no observation about the repeated presence of White Helmets in ISIS/jihadist territory.)

It will instead be a continuation of our Animal Farm news media sheep repeating in unison 'invasion', 'sanction', 'boycott', 'rules-based world order', 'West good, East bad', etc.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Feb 4 2022 16:23 utc | 6

Nice broad diplomatic statement. More topical agreements to come.

Also without surprise, CNPC bumped up its contracted natgas levels an additional +10 bcm/year. This puts contracted volumes at a level where the next step up would make the development of the PS2/Soyuz-Vostok pipeline logical.

https://tass.com/economy/1398047

Posted by: ptb | Feb 4 2022 16:28 utc | 7

That looks like a good summary, thanks. It is clear that the cooperation between Russia and China is now well established, and they build on international law and invite others to join them. This is a force of good that is much stronger than the destructive 'collective west'.

I am looking forward to the detailed analyses.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2022 16:29 utc | 8

Russia has issued a wide ranging ultimatum and demanded the concessions to be in a "written, legally-binding form". It didn`t get anything. So it went to his bigger brother and obtained a written, non-legally binding paper of support. Frankly: This is pathetic.

Posted by: m | Feb 4 2022 16:30 utc | 9

The sides underline that Russia and China, as world powers and permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, intend to firmly adhere to moral principles and accept their responsibility, strongly advocate the international system with the central coordinating role of the United Nations in international affairs, defend the world order based on international law, including the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, advance multipolarity and promote the democratization of international relations, together create an even more prospering, stable, and just world, jointly build international relations of a new type.

It is easy to realize that there are at least two egregious permanent members who do not.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 16:30 utc | 10

RE: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2022 16:13 utc | 3

Good thing you wrote "should" and not "will."

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 16:32 utc | 11

When I was little my father, who worked for the RAND corp., told me that the US's worst nightmare would be an alliance between the USSR and "Red China" (as the PRC was called back then). Irony of ironies almost 60 years later the US is now facing its worst nightmare, but in the guise of capitalist Russia and the "capitalist road" PRC.

And has been demoted from The Exceptional Country to "Some Actor" in the process, lol.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 4 2022 16:35 utc | 12

Donald Trump was trying to get Russia to break away from China and develop greater ties with Europe. This was probably based upon Henry Kissinger's advice that a Russia-China alliance would be unbeatable. Therefore, rapprochement with Russia would be the first step to deal with China. However, this was an anathema to Zbigniew Brzezinski's disciples including the neocons. A Russia-Germany alliance would mean an independent Europe that would compete with the US for world domination. Under the Democrats, they started Russiagate, and now that they are in power, they are playing their Ukraine gambit to permanently separate Russia from Germany.

This, of course, means that Russia and China have to unite. We are looking at a new Iron and Bamboo Curtain. Joe Biden fervently believes that "freedom," "democracy," and open societies will always win against "totalitarian," "authoritarian," and command economies. After all, that is why the US won the last Cold War. So he is happy to let China and Russia unite and is launching the Cancer Moonshot emulating John F. Kennedy. He thinks that the ingenuity and innovation of US and Western Europe nurtured by their cultures will eventually win the day.

Only time will tell which vision (Trump or Biden) would have been a better strategy.

Posted by: Tiger | Feb 4 2022 16:36 utc | 13

Posted by: m | Feb 4 2022 16:30 utc | 9

They could be doing things incrementally, unlike those like me who tend to want whatever done by yesterday. Perhaps it is one of the future steps.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 16:38 utc | 14

To be honest, I was expecting something more from this meeting than just an agreement for future energy exports. But on second thought, it's probably not a good idea to announce a military alliance on the day the Olympic games are set to start. It would overshadow them. A new energy deal sounds more optimistic for such a day, imo. Still, I do hope something more concrete vis-a-vis a military alliance is forthcoming. Otherwise the West will not relent.

Posted by: AnalyticMinded | Feb 4 2022 16:42 utc | 15

re: US "global power". . .
It was just a year ago today when the now unpopular US president waved the flag.

As I said in my inaugural address, we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again, not to meet yesterday’s challenges, but today’s and tomorrow’s. American leadership must meet this new moment of advancing authoritarianism, including the growing ambitions of China to rival the United States and the determination of Russia to damage and disrupt our democracy.
.. diplomacy . .the grounding wire of our global policy — our global power. That’s our inexhaustible source of strength. That’s America’s abiding advantage. . . .here

And how might the authoritarian US president respond to this mutiny of the bountiful? . . .pass the popcorn

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 4 2022 16:44 utc | 16

right now the kremlin is buisy talking with european leaders, macron, scholz, orban etc are going to moscow, not the other way around.

you seem frustrated "m"

Posted by: kartoschka | Feb 4 2022 16:44 utc | 17

RE: Tiger | Feb 4 2022 16:36 utc | 13

Note:Forgot RE in #14 above

A better strategy would have been along the lines of Lincoln, McKinley, Roosevelt (the latter), Butler, Kennedy (both). Those that were mostly assassinated except for the ones who were either subjected to a regime change attempt or asked to get involved in one.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 16:47 utc | 18

RE: Tiger | Feb 4 2022 16:36 utc | 13

Also clear: Why Orange Clown was allowed to win unlike HRP in the '90s. Your post highlights why he is a fake populists on a Ziocon mission.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 16:52 utc | 19

This is very interesting, the Russians and Chinese are using the Winter Olympics as a "bully pulpit". Propaganda Victory indeed. This will drive the MSM to foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 4 2022 16:57 utc | 20

Watching all the White Supremacists and Trumpstein supporters tearing their hair out over dear Russia cooperating with "teh evil ChiComs" is pretty funny.

As this partnership only intensifies in the future, how will the likes of Tucker Carlson and ZionHedge make a living?!

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Feb 4 2022 16:58 utc | 21

@17 kartoschka
Yeah, that´s the spirit of Russia! "We forced them at the negotiation table!" Just like Biden a few weeks ago.


But more prosaic: France, Germany, Italy and Hungary understand that they are played by Washington and that increasing tensions with Russia are not in their interests. They also understand that Putin somehow has to get out of his self-created diplomatic trap. So they fly to Moscow and try to work out something that allows Russia to backpedal without to much loss of face.

But for Russia this is of course just confirmation of it`s own grandeur.

Posted by: m | Feb 4 2022 16:58 utc | 22

I think the Empire will be relieved that Xi and Putin did not sign any new contracts on de-dollarization, armaments or other crucial domains. Maybe the 2 response letters from US/NATO dont tell the whole story. Maybe Russia will get satisfaction in a discreet, non-public manner. I guess, as long as there's no new serious provocation towards war, its all good.

People who want Xi/Putin to be 2 new Che Guevaras will be disappointed. But if they can get the Empire to accept its decline, even in a gradual, non-public manner, they will have rendered humanity a great service. The problem is if one of the 2 parties is holding the other back. That could be the beginning of the end. In the past, Lavrov has talked about China's "patience" a few times I think. Could this be diplomatese for "WTF"?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 4 2022 16:59 utc | 23

@Tiger

And yet it looks like, despite having pushed Russia and China together, the US is still facing the worst case scenario with Germany and the EU in the long run. The maturation of Sino-European economic ties will see the full finlandization of Europe, with the possible exception of Brexitstan, in Washington's little Second Cold War.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 4 2022 17:00 utc | 24


US response wasn't long in coming. They had it all ready to go.

"Washington and its allies “have an array of tools” that can be deployed against “foreign companies, including those in China” that attempt to evade potential punitive measures against Russia, State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters Thursday. He declined to offer specifics, but Western officials have floated penalties on Russian financial institutions, curbs on U.S. technology exports and personal sanctions against Kremlin leaders and their associates."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/04/ukraine-russia-china-putin-xi/

Posted by: dh | Feb 4 2022 17:03 utc | 25

People who want Xi/Putin to be 2 new Che Guevaras will be disappointed. But if they can get the Empire to accept its decline, even in a gradual, non-public manner, they will have rendered humanity a great service. The problem is if one of the 2 parties is holding the other back. That could be the beginning of the end. In the past, Lavrov has talked about China's "patience" a few times I think. Could this be diplomatese for "WTF"?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 4 2022 16:59 utc | 23

I think it's been clear for a while that they are trying to leave us a "golden bridge" for a face-saving retreat. I am so unused to this sort of adult behavior in international affairs.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 4 2022 17:07 utc | 26

thanks b.... i appreciate the update and it is positive...

@ Vintage Red | Feb 4 2022 16:35 utc | 12... exactly how i see it here.. thanks...

@ sean / m..... what is pathetic is 2 posters who never say shit about the usa, but are quite quick do so on the russia - china alliance.... noted...

Posted by: james | Feb 4 2022 17:09 utc | 27

@ Bemildred | Feb 4 2022 16:57 utc | 20... i wonder if there is some pharma drug to deal with ''foaming at the mouth" by the msm? lolol... get pfizer on this right quick!

Posted by: james | Feb 4 2022 17:11 utc | 28

Why are people dissapointed at this? China issuing such statement is huge. They almost never do this. 99% of the time they stay neutral and very diplomatic. This is big.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 4 2022 17:24 utc | 29

To clarify it about agreements this is one of 16 papers signed by Russia and China:
1 joint statement
4 commercial contracts
11 ministry, department level, and other gov-contracts
Here, we are talking about a joint statement while other documents are at least as important as the joint statement.

Posted by: Ја | Feb 4 2022 17:25 utc | 30

Xi is very cautious and the CCP is not a bunch of Russian oligarchs. Russia had over 150,000 covid cases yesterday--just how open do you think the CCP is going to be with a country that has been just as incompetent and stupid as the Trump/Biden response.

Posted by: wobblie | Feb 4 2022 17:31 utc | 31

https://metallicman.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/china-against-america.mp4

This is a short video and quite some fun to watch AND in my opinion one of the best METAPHORs ever to get an idea of how the 'Middle Kingdom' will deal with with a washed-up U.S.A. !

Posted by: MD | Feb 4 2022 17:38 utc | 32

State Department Spokesman Ned Price presents evidence of planned Russian false flag. Well, not really...

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 4 2022 17:40 utc | 33

There were some other agreements signed, but the commercial ones at least (all that I could find out about) were pretty minor. Some largish headline numbers but spread over 30 years, including just a continuation of an oil contract that was about to expire, so not much there. This is not what Putin would need or what many people expected if he were to make any big moves against the West over the next few months, so no big moves coming is my best guess.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 17:45 utc | 34

MD |32
Deafening sound level when I played it.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 4 2022 17:49 utc | 35

@dh | Feb 4 2022 17:03 utc | 25

"Washington and its allies “have an array of tools” that can be deployed against “foreign companies, including those in China” that attempt to evade potential punitive measures against Russia, State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters Thursday.
Probably a misprint, more like Washington and its allies "have an array of fools".

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2022 17:52 utc | 36

I’m guessing the disappointed posters are anti-American Americans. They expect and even desire the brash bumbling of the US empire. But Russia and China, unlike the US, are not trying to start a war. They’re clearly prepared for competition and even conflict, but the US empire is falling regardless. Starting a war with it might be the only thing that could reinvigorate it. They can let it fall, maybe give a nudge here or there, and are clearly presenting an alternative. (Better or worse is still debatable.)

It is astounding that the overriding foreign policy position for 60 years: making sure Russia and China never join together has been so casually thrown away by the US.

Posted by: Lex | Feb 4 2022 17:54 utc | 37

@1 IMHO the Putin-Xi joint statement was highly underwhelming, just we are Best Friends Forever, with zero initiatives or agreements announced.

Kremlin reveals number of approved agreements during Putin’s visit to China
There are 16 intergovernmental, interdepartmental and commercial documents

MOSCOW, February 4. /TASS/. A package of 16 intergovernmental, interdepartmental and commercial documents was approved as part of the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to China. The list of documents was posted on the Kremlin’s website on Friday.

The Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the International Relations Entering a New Era and the Global Sustainable Development was adopted during the Sino-Russian summit talks.

In particular, the Russian state corporation Roscosmos and the Chinese Satellite Navigation System Commission signed a cooperation deal in the sphere of mutual complementarity of the GLONASS and Beidou global satellite navigation systems.

The Russian Ministry of Economic Development and China's Ministry of Commerce made a joint statement on the completion of developing a roadmap for mutual trade in goods and services and signed a memorandum of understanding for deepening investment cooperation in sustainable (green) development areas.

The customs authorities of Russia and China signed a protocol on mutual recognition of the status of an authorized economic operator. The parties approved 11 intergovernmental and interdepartmental documents in total.

Four commercial contracts were signed during the visit. Gazprom and CNPC inked a long-term contract for the delivery of 10 bln cubic meters of natural gas over the Far Eastern route. Rosneft and Huawei sealed a deal on cooperation. Rosneft and CNPC signed an agreement on the deliveries of 100 mln tonnes of oil via Kazakhstan over a decade and approved a memorandum of understanding to cooperate in the low-carbon development sphere.


Posted by: b | Feb 4 2022 17:56 utc | 39

ecologist | 33
It seems that this is a different Russian false flag from the one last month.

Are they running out of ideas for scare headlines? Or perhaps their staff is busy cranking out China-bashing Olympic coverage.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 4 2022 18:01 utc | 40

China and even more desperately, Russia, need an era of peace. They want an end to the Arms Race which has dominated the world since 1938.
On the other hand the United States desperately needs to keep that arms race going- without forcing other countries to take care of their own defence by investing, urgently needed productive resources in developing ever more expensive arms systems, the US faces the certainty of being reduced to economic and cultural competition to maintain its position. And, in particular, to protect its Dollar.
To put it in a word the US needs war or the threat of war.
Without it, it not only loses its ability to impose its selfish interests on the rest of the world. It also faces the long postponed day of reckoning with its own masses, whose decline into poverty and insecurity is accelerating daily.
The human race, as a whole, needs Russia and China to prevail in this instance: without the international co-operation (so sorely missed with such dreadful consequences in the pandemic) for which this statement calls humanity and most other species have little chance of surviving. And it is beyond doubt that billions of lives will be lost unless there is coordinated, democratically driven action to mitigate and reverse the course of those environmental crises subsumed under the name of climate change.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 4 2022 18:05 utc | 41

(Jan is now njet, to avoid being Jan-uary)

This is the first day of a new count.
There will be no reporting and no answer.

But we can sit down and popcorn and watch the propaganda getting more aggressive.
The german reporting of the Olympics today was a first taste.

The American nightmare described by Brczinsky was
1. Russia-China-Alliance and
2. Loosing Germany

We will experience a desperate fight of the Empire to hold Germany down on its side.
Deutschland AG is expected to be sacrificed for the Empire, and I don't bet on any outcome.
Fasten the seat belts please!

Posted by: njet | Feb 4 2022 18:05 utc | 42

Anyone who thinks this is bland or meaningless needs to get their head checked. This is a sea change, even if to those of us who have not had their eyes in their pocket for the last decade, it merely confirms openly and officially what has been built up patiently. Natostan has now been put on notice officially that it cannot attack Russia or China (or Iran for that matter) without having to fight both (all three) at once. Even if it's a hybrid attack or a color revolution. Calling this a major game changer is the understatement of the century.

Posted by: Bart | Feb 4 2022 18:06 utc | 43


Government fool: "We have evidence Russia is preparing a False Flag operation in Ukraine"
Matt Lee: "Can you show me the evidence?"
Government fool: "I just gave it to you"
Matt Lee: “That’s not evidence, that’s you just saying this. This is Alex Jones territory!”

US State Department busted fabricating false flag in Ukraine

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2022 18:08 utc | 44

@37 Lex

Yes there's something to that. It's ironic that this actually aligns with the US State Dept itself, who've really surprised everyone with their eagerness to paint a picture of an "imminent invasion", contrary of most of their own allies in Europe, including Ukraine itself.

That said, nothing wrong with the desire to have US policy take a few big steps back from all the Team-America-World-Police bulls##t, stop blowing up third parties too unlucky to avoid becoming proxy battlegrounds, and maybe concentrate on fixing things at home instead.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 4 2022 18:09 utc | 45

Watching all the White Supremacists and Trumpstein supporters tearing their hair out over dear Russia cooperating with "the evil ChiComs" is pretty funny.

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Feb 4 2022 16:58 utc | 21

while it is well known that white supremacists admire Russia, they also in a twisted and begrudging way admire china too, with qualifications of course, since they are still yellows after all. but china checks some key boxes:
aiming at cultural unity instead of the ethnic differences of identity politics,
addressing the needs of labor without mass immigration,
affirming the traditional family and gender differences, such that gender equality does not mean erasing gender,
a strong centralized state conceived as paternal and an extension of the family.
for westerners, Russians are at best -- to borrow the saker's term, Snow Niggers -- but snow white is better than yellow peril, and white supremacists also favor Russians for their religious traditionalism, while the Chinese are just heathens and, god forbid, commies.
in short, Russia-China is seen as an antidote to the ills of liberalism. this admiration doesn't totally square with the supremacist's own sense of Exceptionalism, but convenient exceptions can be made, just like you can let the house niggers inside to perform certain tasks.

Posted by: mastameta | Feb 4 2022 18:14 utc | 46

La Russie et la Chine disent avoir de sérieuses inquiétudes sur le programme de guerre biologique US (sputnik fr)
la vérité n'existant pas ou n'étant pas connaissable
Craintes ou pas des autorités russe et chinoise
La principale impacte de ce genre de déclaration c'est sur l'opposition US les trumpiste et complotiste renforcée
C'est une prise de kung-fu tu te protège le visage et tu te
fais ruiner les balloches

Russia and China Say They Have Serious Concerns About US Biological Warfare Program (sputnik fr)
truth not existing or not being knowable
Fear or not of the Russian and Chinese authorities
The main impact of this kind of declaration is on the US opposition, the Trumpists and the reinforced conspirators.
It's a kung fu grip you protect your face and you
ruin the balles

Posted by: la bouteille | Feb 4 2022 18:19 utc | 47

@22 m

so they are trying to help russia to get out of the selfmade trap?

how generous.... your rationalisation is strong

the russian red lines are still there, nothing changed

it's not putin travling the world, to get out off his "trap"
even you should be able to see it.

you have it the other way around.
they (eu) are trapped by own policies and now searching desperate a way out.

Posted by: kartoschka | Feb 4 2022 18:22 utc | 48

@ bevin | Feb 4 2022 18:05 utc | 41... bang on... the '''great reset'' i am hoping for here is the favourable one your outline in your post..

Posted by: james | Feb 4 2022 18:26 utc | 49

This was a measured, calculated move by Xi. Announce in a big way that will get attention among regular people in the USA, Europe and in China that China and Russia have a very close relationship. This is indeed a big change from 20 years ago when there was not much of a relationship at all and certainly from 40 years ago when the two countries (well the Soviet Union and China) were enemies.

But at the same time, beyond the warm words and pretty anodyne commercial contracts, there were no significant commitments or announcements. Nothing that would offer Russia any meaningful help in its flare up with the west in the next few months. Forget about a mutual defense treaty which I never saw happening, but not even an announcement on the joint alternative to SWIFT, which I thought would be a given, the baseline. No mention or reiteration of previous announcements about the swift alternative even.

In my opinion this is not a case of China “stabbing Russia in the back”, this is just a result of a misunderstanding of Putin’s motives. He is not trying to stir up some big stuff right now, in February or March. He is not looking to take down the USA and NATO as an organization in coordination with Xi. He has his gaze over the next years, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, taking the slow but steady steps that are his MO (Crimea and Syria were exceptions where he had his back against the wall, not the norm), to develop Russian Chinese ties over time, to give Russia an alternative to European trade but also to keep European trade (meaning no big blowups) as an alternative to dependence on China.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 18:26 utc | 50

Russia and China Say They Have Serious Concerns About US Biological Warfare Program (sputnik fr)
truth not existing or not being knowable
Fear or not of the Russian and Chinese authorities
The main impact of this kind of declaration is on the US opposition, the Trumpists and the reinforced conspirators.
It's a kung fu grip you protect your face and you
ruin the balles

Posted by: la bouteille | Feb 4 2022 18:19 utc | 47

An interesting idea. Perhaps so. But they have good reason to be concerned on their own account too. But interesting.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 4 2022 18:29 utc | 51

What flashed into my head:

We are so accustomed to war, world wide hunger, poverty and violence, and everything getting even worse every year, that we consider it normal. It is capitalism, and capitalism brings imperialism.

Yes, but it is the US-capitalism. And before that it was colonialism.

Is this alliance only a negative alliance, the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
I find most interesting the following quote:

"Friendship between the two States has no limits, there are no ”forbidden“ areas of cooperation, strengthening of bilateral strategic cooperation is neither aimed against third countries nor affected by the changing international environment and circumstantial changes in third countries.

China is proving it interacts even against big business, when it fears negativ impact on its people and the authority of the CPC.
Russia hass never experienced anything but the thread of Vernichtungskrieg since over 100 years.

May be this alliance, that claims to be more than an tactical one, brings a new order.

Posted by: njet | Feb 4 2022 18:36 utc | 52

@m

What you're seeing today is pomp and ceremony. It represents a shift that didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen this past year. It's the consequence of US policy pushing Russia over the line in 2013-2014 over Ukraine and the associated economic sabotage of EU-RU trade. And the same with China in 2018-2019 over the kidnapping of Meng Wanzhou and sanctions of Huawei, which were motivated by China winning an economic competition which 20 years ago US didn't think they could possibly win.

Both of these actions were beyond counterproductive -- same magnitude to the folly of attempting to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. I think a lot of people correctly view these events as the point-of-no-return for the US global leadership.

I think you could convince me that the posturing over RU-NATO relations is a pointless exercise (though maybe not for the reasons you think). But where we are going, it now becomes a moot point. Russia and China have figured out that to secure their own well being, they must first show the world they can withstand the tiresomely celebrated economic-warfare "toolkit", which I think is the point at which we are today.

And the next step, not to put too fine a point on it, is to send this garbage into retirement, so that the world can move on. Which, if we don't screw up this opportunity with avoidable conflict, will result an improvement in the lives of people everywhere, not least including the US.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 4 2022 18:42 utc | 53

@dan of steele #2
The US+Russia vs. China idea was by no means the agreed upon US Deep State policy. It was the view of Kissinger.
It was in turn opposed by the US+China vs. Russia view of Brzezinski.
Of course, in reality it was US vs anyone who didn't kowtow to it - which has resulted in the creation of the Eurasian power bloc of MacKinderian nightmare: Russia, China AND Iran, plus points in between.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 4 2022 18:48 utc | 54

@bevin | Feb 4 2022 18:05 utc | 41:

"... China and even more desperately, Russia, need an era of peace. They want an end to the Arms Race which has dominated the world since 1938.
On the other hand the United States desperately needs to keep that arms race going- without forcing other countries to take care of their own defence by investing, urgently needed productive resources in developing ever more expensive arms systems, the US faces the certainty of being reduced to economic and cultural competition to maintain its position. And, in particular, to protect its Dollar.
To put it in a word the US needs war or the threat of war."

As French Socialist Jean Jaures wrote just before his assassination in the first days of World War I, "Capitalism carries within itself war the way clouds carry a thunderstorm."

"Without it, it not only loses its ability to impose its selfish interests on the rest of the world. It also faces the long postponed day of reckoning with its own masses, whose decline into poverty and insecurity is accelerating daily."

This is exactly how the global struggle impacts the domestic class struggle (or long lack thereof) here in the US. The Russian Revolution happened after defeat in World War I, and the Chinese Revolution after the devastation of World War II. If there is hope for revolutionary change here, the groundwork for it is being laid now in the front-by-front defeat of the US in the present global conflict.

"The human race, as a whole, needs Russia and China to prevail in this instance"

For us here in the US, this revolutionary defeatism—working for the defeat of "our own" capitalists—is exactly what we need most.


Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 4 2022 18:49 utc | 55

Also, looks like some of the announced energy deals will be "settled in Euro" (kind of disappointing, not yuan or rubles).
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-02-04/exclusive-russia-and-china-agree-30-year-gas-deal-using-new-pipeline-source

Posted by: Network Admin | Feb 4 2022 18:58 utc | 56

"What should be highly entertaining is the "spin" that empire puts on this declaration about the future of social organizations."
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2022 16:13 utc | 3

Just starting reading, but the above post mirrored my thoughts, so, I reposted it now.

Thanks, psychohistorian!!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 4 2022 19:01 utc | 57

Kissinger very much wanted US + China vs Russia, that's why his guy Nixon went to China. Brzezinski was a Kissinger disciple.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 4 2022 19:12 utc | 58

bevin@ 41 said in part;"The human race, as a whole, needs Russia and China to prevail in this instance:"

Agreed, assuming their deeds can match their rhetoric. Something the U$A has never done...

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 4 2022 19:21 utc | 59

I think quite a few bar flies miss understand the nature of the statement. It’s a general outline, a declaration of joint interests and views. Details to follow.

And read the text before you comment on it please: it’s not about Russia and China. It’s nothing less than a declaration of a new world order. A formal end to 500 years of European shitfokkery.

An event of truly historic proportions. And where is the indispensable nation? Throwing a boycott nobody notices…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 4 2022 19:27 utc | 60

I think both Putin and Xi are civilized enough not to use the Olympic Games as a political football as some nations have done. What this makes abundantly clear is that Russia and China are tightly linked together thanks in large measure to the abominable and irredeemably stupid US foreign policy. By affirming their full support of one another in the face of major provocations by the Western powers, they put the US and their lapdogs on notice that the consequences of aggression against either of them will be extremely unpleasant.

There is a section in the document about their common goals for Eurasia. I take that as a warning to the US/NATO to end their interference and attempted color revolutions on the Eurasian land mass. I hope to see more nations, particularly in Central Asia, forcing the removal of USAID and NED actors from their midst, banning organizations being supported by those two CIA fronts, and arresting their leaders (the ones not living in Washington and London) on charges of sedition.

I fully expect an announcement in the next couple of months of both nations leaving the SWIFT system and setting up one of their own. The inevitable economic collapse of the US would follow.

Posted by: Charles D | Feb 4 2022 19:35 utc | 61

psychohistorian | Feb 4 2022 16:13 utc | 3

"Kicking the UN out of the US is one of the next orders of business for poor losers".

I don't know if you meant it this way, but reducing the US stranglehold over the United Nations and other International Organisations could be a good start.

ie. The transfer of the main body of the UN to Geneva in Switzerland (Where there is already an impressive physical presence) would eliminate much of the US "controlling visas for diplomats and families". Plus the evictions of Diplomats from the US and tit-for-tatting Russia, could be avoided.
The loss of "Face" for the US would be something to see.

Note there are many "Int. orgs." in Geneva already (WTO, etc, and Specialized UN agencies such as he WHO and BIT:) Plus around 20'000 International Civil servants and a considerable number of NGO's. Switzerland itself has a good reputation for neutrality where "diplomacy" is concerned, having acted for many outsider countries.

The "Europeans" might even buy it as an idea! As it brings, finally, a percieved "center" of world affairs back to the Eurasian landmass.
***

One line I liked is; "to avoid a rules based order by some Flunky..." (Don't know where I saw that, Metallicman above, I think.)

This is also what is wrong with so much of present day politics - from Karen based conceit by Trou d'eau, to Blinken's verbal blundering. Agreed to laws should take preeiminence over stuff made up by sociopathic idiots who think all they have to do is command, and because of some slimey sublime subtlety, everyone suffers.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 4 2022 19:47 utc | 62

Was about to post a brief description of the Tass link to a thread at The Saker. It is like he is trying to destroy his own site (too stressed out to think / act rationally)? Apparently, you can pretty much agree with the guy, even apologize, and still p him off and get banned. I have a hunch I am far from the only one.

He says he needs moderators. Well, how many people would overmoderate sufficiently for him? Would in his/her right mind would dare try? But then, in my case, if I ever was a moderator of a forum, I would probably be a very lax one indeed.

Very weird. Bravo! Indeed! Bravo Blvd. is a two way street. Never saw that coming. Not happy, but hey, it is his choice to make.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 19:52 utc | 63

The agreement basically said “I agree with you, you agree with me, let’s all be family.” In boilerplate general language with no concrete new initiatives or agreements announced at all. I have been a “pessimist” about the likelihood of some large Russian escalation, but even I expected something more from Friday’s meeting in Beijing, like a concrete announcement/surprise on the planned Chinese-Russian SWIFT alternative at the least.

Did you miss this....
CNPC bumped up its contracted natgas levels an additional +10 bcm/year. This puts contracted volumes at a level where the next step up would make the development of the PS2/Soyuz-Vostok pipeline logical.

Or this.....
When I was little my father, who worked for the RAND corp., told me that the US's worst nightmare would be an alliance between the USSR and "Red China" (as the PRC was called back then). Irony of ironies almost 60 years later the US is now facing its worst nightmare, but in the guise of capitalist Russia and the "capitalist road" PRC.

Perhaps you didn't listen to Dr. Kishore Mahubani's statement..." In 2019 The Chinese consumer market... for the first time ever... was larger than the US consumer market"

And....

The Laos-China railway is now hauling rice/fruit from Thailand/Cambodia/Laos in less than 26 hours transit time... directly into SW China... No longer need express freight be hauled via air over the top of the Himalayas...

And..... RECEP is operational....

And.... the most likely successor to the Philippine presidency... is Marcos... and he wants better
relations with China

INDY

INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Feb 4 2022 19:54 utc | 64

i find it hard to believe that the ruling class has worked so long and steadfastly towards this outcome through sheer incompetence or by complete accident

Posted by: Rae | Feb 4 2022 19:55 utc | 65

@46 mastameta

Yes, pro-China WNs do exist, but they are in the extreme minority and statistically insignificant. The overwhelming majority of people who watch Tucker Carlson, read ZH, Breitbart etc. are in extreme Yellow Panic mode, and anti-Chinese mania seems to be their primary driving force in life. And, most of them seem to like Russia.

Please, do not try to say there is a difference between these people and white supremacists, or that there is a major difference between far-right and alt-right. When I look at comments on any of these sites, they all seem to bleed together.

It's apparent even on a site like Unz Review, which occasionally publishes pro-China articles. Look at the comments on any of those articles and you'll see them filled with screeching Yellow Peril monkeys and linking to Tucker Carlson videos.

By the way, the opposite is NOT true on the left. They despise both Russia and China, and there is virtually no pro-China sentiment to be found there. Only exceptions being people on the extreme fringes like Caitlin Johnstone.

Overall, there seems to be something inherent in the Western psyche which fears healthy and prosperous East Asian civilization. Recall that in the 80's and early 90's, for over a decade Westerners were in a full-blown paranoid panic over subservient and timid JAPAN "taking over" with their Toyotas and Nintendos. Vincent Chin had his like taken because of it. This has all been thrown down the memory hole now, but it's very relevant to Western attitudes toward China today.

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Feb 4 2022 19:56 utc | 66

The german reporting of the Olympics today was a first taste.
...
We will experience a desperate fight of the Empire to hold Germany down on its side.

Posted by: njet | Feb 4 2022 18:05 utc | 42

I totally agree that today's reporting of the Olympics here in Germany was the most awkward in a long time. Now even "Die Gruenen" and the FDP agree that China has to be seen as a systemic rival, see reporting at SPIEGEL...

Posted by: qubix | Feb 4 2022 20:01 utc | 67

your countrymen are losing their shit while you are regurgitating government press releases

Posted by: Rae | Feb 4 2022 20:01 utc | 68

A pseudo-alliance relationship between China and Russia is a natural and inevitable outcome. These are two major-power nations with the longest shared borders with each other. Well, Mongolia may have the longest border with China, but for the past two-three generations Mongolia was viewed as a proxy of Russia by China. To live with each other in peace and harmony, an alliance seems the logical choice from security, economic, and cultural perspectives. Uncle Sam is being naive to believe such natural alliance impetus can be broken up with stick or carrots. Uncle Sam is still being naive thinking that China's other bordering neighbors such as Vietnam, India, et al can be turned permanently into their own anti-China pawn. Dream on!

USSR let vanity poisoned its head in the 50's and 60's, thinking it can construct an empire of its own and demanded total submission of socialist states to its whims, driving China to seek security and pressure relief valve elsewhere. Thus the brief cooperation between China and Uncle Sam in screwing Polar Bear to the North Pole glaciers. But that was only a brief hiatus from the natural human tendency of geopolitics. It didn't take long for Uncle Sam to let victory get to its head and proclaimed the death of history. LOL! What naivete! What conceit! Of course it wouldn't last long.

This document is a strong indictment of everything the Empire is being guilty of: imposing its contorted values upon others; invading, plundering, and destroying other nations and cultures; unilateral violations of treaties and agreements; lies and propagandizes; everything we MOA barflies have been discussing and accusing the Empire of late. It is a powerful document against a clear target. It will be cited as the reasons of many confrontations between the Empire and the (un-codified) Alliance in the next decade or so to come.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 4 2022 20:01 utc | 69

I find the wording regarding security to be a bit bland to the point of not addressing this issue which is: What differntiates defensive measures from offensive - i.e. agression.

Posted by: jared | Feb 4 2022 20:09 utc | 70

Cold War 2.0 is like 1.0, mostly bluff and propaganda. The real parts, bankrupting the economy with rivers of taxpayer money for the MIC and bribery to our puppet governments, are mere corruption. The actual words words words have no great effect outside the MSM. Biden can pivot from 'Russian invasion' to 'Putin blinked' is a heartbeat, and it's a pivot that's way overdue.

Posted by: jhill | Feb 4 2022 20:10 utc | 71

RE: Norwegian | Feb 4 2022 18:08 utc | 44

Except that even Alex Jones made four or five orders of magnitude more sense than the government fools we used to have who in turn make four or five orders of magnitude more sense than the government fools we have now. It is part of my very own Theory of Relativity.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 20:13 utc | 72

Posted by b on February 4, 2022 at 15:34 UTC | Permalink
"the sides call on all sides .. to protect the United Nations-driven international architecture and the international law-based world order"

No way.

In the first place the United State repudiates the founding principles of the United Nations, which require consensus among the great powers.

In the second place everything is a zero sum game for Uncle Sam.

However it is a long road which has no turning.

Posted by: kral | Feb 4 2022 20:15 utc | 73

@Jörgen Hassler, 60. You're spot on! The document is a statement of 'new world order'. And I believe that the majority of the world would find it a better alternative to the current arrogant system led by the USA and its Western and zionist vassals.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 4 2022 20:26 utc | 74

Perhaps I'm being simple minded or too optimistic, but I think the Russia/China proclamations as done were masterful. A *military* pact? Right at the beginning of what is meant to be a showcase of China's progress?? How uncouth that would be.

China+Russia are presenting an optimistic, peaceful vision of the world to be contrasted with the stressful warmongering of the psychopathic empire. Which do you suppose is most attractive to the world audience?

If there is a military pact, the details of that could show up later, *after* the Olympics, if announcing it were even necessary as a move to keep the peace.

Things seem to be much calmer in general, but it is early yet and psychopaths will be psychopaths.

Posted by: Simplicius | Feb 4 2022 20:34 utc | 75

RE: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Feb 4 2022 19:56 utc | 66

Regarding Japan and Toyota, more like '70s and early '80s, but otherwise good points.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 20:35 utc | 76

Also to address the s,ubject of how does one make a binding accord with other parties which show no intention to be bound by past accords and act and speak in manner which demonstrate bad faith - not agreement capable. Seems bit of a pointless exercise as it stands. Putin honors the europeans for commercial reasons but they are probably worst of the lot simply opportunistic.
Putin needs talk turkey.
Need to prepare the preconditions for possibility of successful negotiations - chances of which are slim.

Posted by: jared | Feb 4 2022 20:42 utc | 77

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2022 18:08 utc | 44

I linked to the video of that exchange in my comment above (#33). I admire Matt Lee for even attempting to engage these automatons, even though he probably realizes that the chance of receiving a straight answer is infinitesimal.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 4 2022 20:51 utc | 79

If anyone wants more fireworks, the Chinese-made Korean war epic "The Battle at Lake Changjin" is now up on Youtube. It's got English subtitles and it's free. It's very good, for a war movie, and it was pleasing to see the American army soundly defeated. Also it's a good look at the Peoples' Volunteer Army in comparison to the American Marines. In one scene, the Americans are feasting on turkey dinners in tents while the volunteers are sharing cold potatoes in the snow. One take-away I had from the movie is that it's a sign the empire is in decline. https://youtu.be/j7AXdh3OpZA

Posted by: Chas | Feb 4 2022 21:02 utc | 80

@Sean | Feb 4 2022 15:41 utc | 1
@Sean | Feb 4 2022 16:20 utc | 4

I would attribute your feelings of disappointment and being 'underwhelmed' by the statement from China and Russia to a lack of basic reading comprehension, lack of culture and a shallow understanding of history and current events.

Just because there were no crass statements like 'fuck the US and NATO', 'we will kick their scrawney asses', 'bring it on' or 'Biden is a killer' does not make it meaningless, shallow or important. If you want to be overwhelmed (e.g. with BS) watch some CNN, an interview with POTUS or a WH press conference.

I suggest you continue to follow current events with an open mind, without prejudice and fewer expectations. The path on which China and Russia are now on will fully and properly reveal itself in due course. You (and I) will not grasp the meaning of these events until it is all done.

Posted by: Idiocrates | Feb 4 2022 21:02 utc | 81

Sean @ 50

"He(Putin) is not trying to stir up big stuff right now in February or March."

"He has his gaze over the next 2 years, 5 years, 10 years..."

What makes you so sure of this?--especially since it now appears likely that elements of all Russia's active divisions (excluding Kaliningrad) will have elements deployed around Ukraine.

Posted by: Gulag | Feb 4 2022 21:06 utc | 82

Peace is breaking-out
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/795903.html

Posted by: jared | Feb 4 2022 21:14 utc | 83

China+Russia are presenting an optimistic, peaceful vision of the world to be contrasted with the stressful warmongering of the psychopathic empire. Which do you suppose is most attractive to the world audience?

Finally, an analysis which hits upon the essence of the declaration....!

Yes, this is a divide.... between NATO hegemony.... and the multi-polar future...

INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Feb 4 2022 21:46 utc | 84

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz meets U.S. President Joe Biden in Washington on Monday
. . .from Foreign Policy

Last week, Emily Haber, Germany’s ambassador to the United States, sent a cable to Berlin warning that many in the United States see Germany as an “unreliable partner.” Republicans in Congress, Haber telegraphed, see Germany as “in bed with Putin” warning of “immense” damage to Germany’s reputation. Many in the Biden administration share misgivings about Berlin’s stance, although they put on a brave face publicly. Germany’s Eastern European partners are more direct. Last week, Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks called Germany’s stance on Russia and China “immoral and hypocritical.”. . .here

what's up?
. . .from warontherocks
Why Germany Behaves the Way It Does

Germans’ world is one in which their country has “moved beyond power politics, the national interest and militarism.” It’s a parallel reality in which trade beats force and every conflict between states can be solved through more dialogue or more multilateralism. Germany’s allies can be exasperated by this view or take comfort in the fact it may slowly be beginning to change. But at the very least they would do well to understand it.
Military Power Is Unnecessary, Ineffective, and Immoral
Germany, of course, is not a monolith, but there are some deeply held views in large parts of German society that have a huge influence on foreign policy. The most significant of these is the way in which many Germans view the role of military power in international politics. Seen from Lower Saxony or Bavaria, military force is not just evil, it’s also useless. . .here

Peace, not war, as the default concept. Yes!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 4 2022 21:50 utc | 85

A *military* pact? Right at the beginning of what is meant to be a showcase of China's progress?? How uncouth that would be.

Posted by: Simplicius | Feb 4 2022 20:34 utc | 75

Absolutely.

Cue 1936 Olympics and Nazi salutes

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 4 2022 21:56 utc | 86

Why would anyone expect major events or even earth-shattering declarations at the opening of the Games? Anything that would directly hit US or NATO will come when the games are coming to their end. Then you might see the military-technical aspect of it.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 4 2022 22:02 utc | 87

William Haught #63

The vineyard of the hater? I got the impression he spends a lot of time next to a keg in his cellar. Occasionally a much appreciated guest writer resuscitates the site.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 4 2022 22:06 utc | 88

Finishing off the week, we have a lovely example of US demonstrating its vision of "energy security" that it wants to impose on everyone else:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russian-Diesel-Exports-To-US-at-Three-Year-High.html

Posted by: ptb | Feb 4 2022 22:06 utc | 89

I see US was named directly a few time throughout the joint statement. Putin's speech to the Federal assembly will be in February sometime which should be interesting. If US hasn't kicked the war games off beforehand that is.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 4 2022 22:12 utc | 90

I know nothing about this broadcast organization, but perhaps b or someone else in Germany or neighboring countries can make something of this BBC bit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60257581

To me it looks like more tit-for-tat bullshit and reprisals orchestrated by the USUK w/ Germany joining as lapdog.

Germany and the EU have condemned Russia's decision to shut down the Moscow bureau of international public broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW).

All DW's staff have lost their press accreditations and the channel is barred from broadcasting in Russia.

Germany's culture minister said the move was "not acceptable in any way".

Russia argued it was retaliating after German regulators decided a new Russian state-run TV channel, RT DE, did not have a suitable licence to operate.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova appeared to offer an olive branch to the German government on Friday, saying that if Germany moved to "normalise the situation", then Russia would too.

RT has channels in English, French and Spanish and launched its German-language satellite channel in December 2021, using a licence from Serbia, outside the European Union.

RT is widely seen as a mouthpiece for the Kremlin, and Germany's Zak licensing authority said it had no EU permit. The channel was removed from Europe's satellite network within days.

Deutsche Welle Director General Peter Limbourg said the Russian decision to shut down the bureau was a total overreaction and "another sign that the Russian government is not interested in press freedom".

Moscow bureau chief Juri Rescheto said the news that his office would be shut at 09:00 on Friday came as a shock: "There are a lot of technical and legal questions. So far, we only know we have to give back our press accreditation cards."

Culture Minister Claudia Roth called on Russia not to "abuse the problems of RT's licence rights for a political reaction".

RT has faced difficulties with its English-language channel too. It was fined £200,000 by UK regulator Ofcom for failing to "preserve due impartiality".

Russia's RT banned from UK media freedom conference
Germany's other public broadcasters voiced their support for Deutsche Welle and the German Federation of Journalists called for an immediate lifting of the ban.

In a separate move, Latvia's justice minister said he would offer DW to move its bureau to the capital, Riga.

Russia's foreign ministry said it was also launching a procedure to label Deutsche Welle as a foreign agent, a term used by the Soviets to target political dissidents.

Journalists have been expelled and organisations shut down in recent months by Russian authorities.

BBC Russian journalist Andrei Zakharov was designated a foreign agent last year, while BBC colleague Sarah Rainsford and Dutch journalist Tom Vennink were expelled.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 4 2022 22:18 utc | 91

The Thucydides trap is in play here.

Russia and China must somehow manage the decline of the US from Sole Global Superpower to Regional Player without triggering a final, hysterical spasm from it involving Nuclear weapons that would doom us all.

That's an extremely difficult feat to pull off, involving caution, patience and skill.

They've done it well so far.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 4 2022 22:25 utc | 92

Even I expected something more from Friday’s meeting in Beijing, like a concrete announcement/surprise on the planned Chinese-Russian SWIFT alternative at the least.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 16:20 utc | 4

I am still undecided whether or not to put you on ignore.

This was a strategic statement intended to send a gentle warning without undermining the opening of the Winter Olympics. The two parties have no need to do more than that right now. This approach leaves all possible options unstated but resolutely on the table. Let the other side work out what they might include.

@Idiocrates 81 ... exactly.

Posted by: echelon | Feb 4 2022 22:30 utc | 93

All these comments are just copes. If a few days ago you asked the people who post on this site about Russian affairs, what they expected to come from Friday’s meeting in Beijing, exactly zero would have predicted this “nothing” result. Even an escalation skeptic like myself expected something concrete. A recommitment or update or surprise with the SWIFT alternative would have in no way detracted from the Olympics. Creating a payment processor is not a declaration of war. And it would have buttressed the Russians to no small degree. Yet it wasn’t done. There was not even a mention or reaffirmation of the previous statements about a swift alternative. There were warm words and a repetition of the same things the Russians and Chinese have said for years, separately before, and now together, with zero concrete agreements to put those words into practice. For all those predicting big moves by the Russians in 2022 (I was always a skeptic), this pure paid to that.

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 23:15 utc | 94

Posted by: Sean | Feb 4 2022 23:15 utc | 94

Why are you so convinced that any SWIFT alternative had to have been announced right now for it to be something that's in the works? This looked to me like they were laying the rhetorical and philosophical (strategic if you will) groundwork for what's to come.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 4 2022 23:19 utc | 95

I managed to overcome my distaste for the MSM and went over to the Guardian and Le Monde to check if and how they covered the Xi/Putin declaration. Well, it's covered but not prominently, you have to look for it. So, it's basically a nothing-burger as far as the West is concerned. The 2 articles:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/04/xi-jinping-meets-vladimir-putin-china-russia-tensions-grow-west

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2022/02/04/la-russie-et-la-chine-affichent-leur-opposition-commune-a-l-expansion-de-l-otan_6112330_3210.html

Interestingly both articles are very selective and cherry-picking relative to the whole declaration. They both focus on ChiRu's opposition to NATO expansion and AUKUS.

The most glaring omission is that nothing is said about ChiRu's wish to return to the international laws of the UN Charter. I actually remember the first I learnt about that. It was not from the MSM. It was from reading a comment from karlof1. I was surprised. What? There's such a thing as UN international laws? Can the UN resolutions be used like precedents in common law? Does Louisiana still use the Napoleon code?

The 2nd important omission is that there's nothing about ChiRu's promotion of the economic development of the South. That's also something a learnt about reading MoA (maybe karlof1 again).

So, somebody reading only the MS will know nothing about ChiRu's championing of the UN international laws and of global development.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 4 2022 23:21 utc | 96

Apply these grand principles line-by-line to Tibet.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 4 2022 23:23 utc | 97

Sean
Run off and watch another hollywood movie or better yet watch the WWF WWE narrative at the white house and state department.
Here you go. found something you will enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLX5YtgiSTI

Whats the use of another country taking US down if they are just the same? Watch the top leadership of Russia and China for awhile. see where they and their countries have come from and you will see where they are going. US was a powerful country but now it is a blustering shell. It will either be put back in its box or be deleted.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 4 2022 23:27 utc | 98

There is nothing to be disappointed in anything the two leaders have agreed upon nor in the podium from which they chose to make this opening statement, in the very best tradition of friendship and enjoyment of the pinnacle of sporting events. Why the United States could not seize the moment to join them here is such a great pity given that everything they are espousing in international terms is based on the great tradition of the United Nations, the spirit of which was born with the FDR presidency and Eleanor Roosevelt. This occasion was not something to be spurned as US 'leadership' now spurns it -- it ought to be celebrated!! And leaders from the US ought to be there celebrating it for her citizens.

Well, I am a citizen of the US, and I am proud to see that happening. As also I am proud that my father in a small way spent part of his life in service to the United Nations. And I further say that it is un-American to deplore this historic occasion. This is what our country is founded on, what has been its finest hour to date. Thank you, China; and thank you, Russia!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2022 23:30 utc | 99

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 4 2022 19:52 utc | 63

William
I was following you progress and saw the ban coming. I too was banned yesterday for daring to suggest that it was not nice to equate whole nations with specific ideologies. My comment was very mild and I was surprised to be so quickly banned (along with the person with whom I was agreeing).

Like you I think the poor guy is overwrought and emotional. I have made clear my respect to him and the site on several occasions. However I will not post again, but I will keep checking the site for the useful posts and some of the commentary. I value Amarynth and Larchmonter in particular.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 4 2022 23:45 utc | 100

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