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February 18, 2022
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With egg on my face, or not, I attempted to discover what on earth had occurred with the story of Roberta Paulson, the elderly woman in the walker trampled in Ottawa. As far as I can tell the story of her death began with a tweet by Sara Carter, a byline reporter at Fox News. She has significant tenure and a shelf of awards. As bad as MSM may be senior reporters normally do basic whowhatwhenwhere reporting with accuracy. Too easy to be shown wrong when you print significant errors. Then a retraction has to be printed. Or in the old days it did. Now all that happens is and they walk away.
So a known byline reporter put a story up a couple hours and then it went away. Doubtful Sara Carter made it up from whole cloth. Did someone feed her a bum story and she ran with it without checking? Also doubtful. Was she told to tweet the story? Hmmm. It sure was inflammatory. At a time when inflammatory would get response.. Probably we never know.
The plot thickens. Maybe James or some other Canadian can tell us more. The victims name has aroused suspicion. It is one letter different from Robert Paulson, a half famous person, which is some sort of signal to someone in Canada. I just can’t pursue that one. But live scuttlebutt that the elderly lady is a crisis actor/stunt person. I can’t.
Then we get the story of the horse being charged/spooked by a protester. Doubtful on its face and the many camera angles show nothing like that. Then a press release from OPP claiming someone threw a bicycle at or under the horse. No bicycle in sight and it would have been hard as hell to even get a bicycle there. Was it an invisible bicycle? Why do they bother with this BS? Much easier to just leave it alone.
Something peculiar happened. Old simple who what when where reporting would be useful. Instead our brains are stirred.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 20:11 utc | 401

That was supposed to say all that happens is symbol delete symbol. And that got deleted.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 20:14 utc | 402

Down South | 370
You can literally see the truth with your own eyes and still, politicians and media straight up lie to your face and people believe it.
:

Solzhenitsyn:
We know they are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 20:35 utc | 403

oldhippie I saw the footage.
The mounted cops came in riding very close together, on what seemed to be draft horses, or at least draft horse crosses.
The woman with the walker was in their way, the horse hesitated and was kicked on by the rider.
She seemed to be moving after she was trampled, so I didn’t repeat the report of her death, knowing that disinformation is the way the mockingbird media discredits dissidents.
I also oppose injuring horses, with marbles or anything else. (There was a deranged antifa woman who stabbed a horse in Boston last year. As far as I know she went unarrested or prosecuted.)
This is a totalitarian human outrage, not a spontaneous horse attack. It is the humans who should be held accountable for their atrocities.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 19 2022 20:38 utc | 404

oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 20:11 utc | 400
i don’t know what happened.. i couldn’t tell from the footage.. here is a link you might be interested in..
Who was Roberta Paulsen and what was her cause of death?

Posted by: james | Feb 19 2022 21:07 utc | 405

oldhippie… i just posted a link for you.. check back later when b clears it, as it didn’t go thru…

Posted by: james | Feb 19 2022 21:08 utc | 406

@retiredmecheng #391
You have so little credibility, as to be clownish.
One of your so-called experts: Andrew Dessler – just stated in an open podcast with Joe Rogan, that every single scientific assertion by Steve Koonin in the immediately preceding Rogan podcast, is correct. Koonin categorically stated that the “consensus” science is in no way catastrophic and used the “consensus” science’s own reports for evidence. This is something which I have repeatedly referenced in the past.
Let me repeat: Andrew Dessler, one of the top 10 (or maybe top 20) climate scientists, could not scientifically disagree with anything “the denier” Koonin put forward.
Note that I, unlike you, listened to both 2 hour+ podcasts; just the latest example of where I actually spend the time to read and listen to what different people say. This includes both experts and non-experts.
So you can keep chanting “consensus” – the reality is that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You are nothing more than a culture war puppet.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 21:09 utc | 407

@265 and others vetinLA
Did you visit your local hospitals whilst you were told what to do? Did you check anything what you were told by the boss?
Whilst I didn’t go check my local hospital during lockdown in the UK, another citizen of my city did. She was arrested the following day in a dawn raid for filming in hospital (seems a bit extreme, no?).
Empty Hospital
Did you do Desert Storm? I did (Royal Signals). Do you remember the testimony about babies being tossed from incubators? Do you remember the MSR? Who lied and who died?

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 19 2022 21:09 utc | 408

@oldhippie #400
Unless the RCMP/OPS is particularly incompetent – normally crowd control horses are specifically trained to not be spooked by: gunshots, shouts, thrown rocks etc because that’s the environment they are to be used in.
A rampaging 1000 to 1250 pound horse can do an enormous amount of harm to a crowd of people.
Thus “spooked by the crowd” is not the least bit credible unless said horse is not trained; if said horse is not trained, what was it doing there?

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 21:12 utc | 409

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 16:51 utc | 375
“Now if the anti-vaxxers have some mental health issues…..”
“I am really interested in hearing the perspective of those on this blog who have elected to not be vaccinated…”
No you’re not.

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 19 2022 21:54 utc | 410

@375
“ I am really interested in hearing the perspective of those on this blog who have elected to not be vaccinated. Do they feel that they should have equal rights to hospital treatment as those that elected to be vaccinated? ”
I’m really interested in hearing the perspective of those on this blog who have elected to be vaccinated. Do they feel that if they come down with myocarditis or some other nasty side effects from the vaccines that they should have equal rights to hospital treatment as those that elected to not be vaccinated?

Posted by: DG | Feb 19 2022 22:02 utc | 411

you guys are giving retiredmecheng too much credit on the covid stuff, he said do they feel that they should have equal rights to hospital treatment as those that elected to be vaccinated? without any sense of sarcasm, shame, or awareness…
there are some pretty ugly videos of police violence in canada. makes me angry, then sad. and then i remember someone i was and think wait a second, this is happening in canada, in fucking canada?!
my wife is off to look after her mum for a few days so i am going to go full hermit for a good ~48 hours with some music and cats. will see if it remains ssdd when i wake up on wednesday. it is raining which is nice

Posted by: Rae | Feb 19 2022 22:03 utc | 412

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 20:35 utc | 402
Solzhenitsin was a fascist

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 19 2022 22:37 utc | 413

Posted by: DG | Feb 19 2022 22:02 utc | 409
They are clueless to where it all leads.
I could say our ‘retired mechanical engineer’ contributes absolutely nothing to society, his contributions to the betterment of the world ceased on his retirement. He is a drain on the hospital system, he consumes valuable resources & generates unnecessary green house gases & CO2. I find this sort of person to be extremely selfish by taking multiple doses of the vaccine & thus denying vulnerable children in Africa the opportunity of living a safe & productive life for many years to come. He should be denied all medical treatment, except morphine for pain relief (we do have some humanity) & left to die with minimal cost to the community.
Rather unpleasant. Nasty, vicious, totally lacking in any humanity.
But who am I to argue if people want to set the precedent…

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 19 2022 22:38 utc | 414

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 19 2022 22:38 utc | 412
They are clueless. Period.
It seems that vaccines have really nasty and weird side effects. Too many doses have an effect not only on your immune system but on your ability to think as well. I don’t have another possible explanation.

Posted by: DG | Feb 19 2022 22:45 utc | 415

@281 retiredmecheng
If is a bloody big word for two letters.
If my uncle had a vagina he’d be my aunt. My wife regularly says that we should not dwell on what ifs.
You have zero proof that the hospital is overloaded with cases, all you have is hearsay.
And I’ll bite on you anti vaxxer call. I’m anti vax. I wasn’t always, my son’s are 26 and had every jab they were supposed to get as kids. They make their choices as adults.
Time moves on and I’m now living with a wonderful woman who has two autistic children. Their conditions made me seek answers to under why they are the way they are.
Sadly, I cannot find the link right now, but I will find it and post.
There has been a recent study on vaccine adjuvants. There are two types. Mercury and aluminium. The study sadly did not cover aluminium (which hasn’t been studied in all the years it’s been used). The take away results are that obviously, mercury is extremely toxic and any vax using it should be avoided at all costs.
I grew up just down the road from Edward Jenner’s birthplace and it was taught as part of local history. I’d let Jenner Vax me, but modern pharma (that only cares about money, profits) can go run and jump.
And you should be grateful to folks like me and my family.
We’re the control group that’ll show you’ve been hooked and shafted.

Posted by: Some Random passerby | Feb 19 2022 22:46 utc | 416

@414 SRP
The link
Meta-analysis says Mercury and Autism link, also Lead

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 19 2022 23:15 utc | 417

I chose to NOT get the covid jab, because too much of this thing is fishy, starting with the fudging of the numbers, making it impossible to get a proper read on the situation. What numbers can be trusted ?
Fishier than a fish factory. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and there’s A LOT of smoke. I find it amazing so many people don’t see it.
I wear a mask when I go into stores, and disinfect my hands. These are a minor but acceptable annoyance. But I won’t let them inject me with this experimental concoction.
I shared my information-gathering with my friends and family, strongly recommending they avoid the shots, but they all got the shots anyway. My opinion can’t compete with their doctors’ recommendation. I’m just hoping they won’t suffer health issues as a result.
Fortunately conversations with my folks about the covid and “vaccines” stayed friendly, and respectful of personal choice.

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 19 2022 23:16 utc | 418

@all science deniers:
Well I’m sure glad that this blog is not a popularity contest.
For some reason, there sure doesn’t seem to be a lot of related discomfort regarding 36,000 covid dead in Canada and 960,000 dead dead in the US. Plus the likelihood of permanent impact to millions of survivors from long covid (damaged organs, nervous system, etc). Yes, you are right, humanity is in short supply.
And why do I even bother trying to discuss this with you? Because, unless we, the human species, get our act together, we (all of us) are doomed. And key to the answers – knowledge is good, more knowledge is better.
Individual freedom means absolutely nothing, if we don’t give some priority to the common good, to sustainability, and to the long term implications of the decisions we individuals make today.
It’s called accountability. Let’s see what the covid situation looks like next winter. And lets see what extreme weather events await us in the next few years? Any bets?

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 23:18 utc | 419

Posted by: Some Random passerby | Feb 19 2022 22:46 utc | 414

The study sadly did not cover aluminium (which hasn’t been studied in all the years it’s been used). The take away results are that obviously, mercury is extremely toxic and any vax using it should be avoided at all costs.

What really happened at Simpsonwood and why it matters today
While talking to RFK Jr. about Jake Tapper, I learned what happened Simpsonwood. It’s a fascinating story of corruption 20 years ago. Not much has changed it seems. The CDC is still corrupt.

If you read my story about RFK Jr. and how he became an anti-vaxxer, it mentions the Simpsonwood transcripts.
There is a book, “Evidence of harm” that talks about what happened there in detail. Some people think the author wasn’t sure who was telling the truth. That’s not true. The book author takes an objective viewpoint, leaving it to the reader to determine who was telling the truth. If your brain is working, it’s easy to figure out.
Basically, Simpsonwood was a meeting where the CDC was scrambling to figure out how to cover up the “signal” caused by thimerosal in vaccines.
Here is the original Verstraeten study which shows the connection with autism. RR=7.6 is huge. It means mercury causes autism.
Here is a transcript of the Simpsonwood meeting which was held to figure out what to do about the paper.
It’s a long read, so this excerpt gives you the highlights in a much shorter amount of time. The key thing was the study by Verstraeten. Version #3 was presented at that meeting.
This web page describes each version of the Verstraeten study. Search for “A “SIGNAL” DISAPPEARS ACROSS FIVE GENERATIONS OF STUDY.” In that section they’ll talk about a signal that “won’t go away.” They basically massaged the numbers to make the association “go away” so they wouldn’t have to admit making a mistake which would be a PR disaster.
In short, the CDC was more interested in covering their ass (making the signal go away) than protecting kids.

Posted by: pogohere | Feb 19 2022 23:26 utc | 420

Melaleuca #345

That’s why I find it particularly loathsome that they use animals such as horses and dogs.
There are strategies to deal with both. But the animal, while a tool, is always an innocent.
The cruelty should be reserved and deployed against those who deserve it.

Agreed. The minute police see the marbles or large gravel they direct the horse team away. Usually horses in that battle formation have special boots on as the ground is unpredictable and can be strewn with glass shards as well. The horse charge is only used as a flying wedge or crowd breaker and immediately followed by a large team of heavy weights on foot. Then the horses are pulled back or forge on and out of the melee.
All of this for the pathetic scoundrel Trudeau and his covid karens 🙁

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 23:31 utc | 421

Misotheist | 411
Solzhenitsin was a fascist
Meh. In 2022, Everyone has a label.
Where does “fascist” fit now within the pantheon of pejoratives: “J6 insurrectionist”, “anti-vaxxer”, anything “denier” “right wing trump support deplorable” [long-winded], “conspiracy theorist”, “white” supremacist; anti Semitic; freedom fighting jidhadist; moderate rebel; separatist; or… what did they label that elderly woman in a mobility device that was trampled by the horse and may, or may not have died?
I think she was instantly ascribe an epithet like “right wing extremist”, or “anti mandate moron” some such.
From biblical times until this politically “correct” era, she would have been a “cripple”.
Since she was too incapacitated to remove herself from the path of a riot control animal, maybe now she’s “collateral damage”, or “roadkill”.
Labels just don’t do the work they one did.
Yours, yours works though.
“Misotheist”. That’s a slick label.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 23:33 utc | 422

Hospitals and ICUs are no where near unduly stressed. Certainly, this is the case in Canada.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 19 2022 7:59 utc | 305
zero proof that the hospital is overloaded with cases
Posted by: Some Random passerby | Feb 19 2022 22:46 utc | 414
(I’ve tried to post the following info several times but it has failed to appear. Maybe it was the links, which I am omitting this time.)
Hospitalizations in Canada in the current wave have been double what they were in previous ones (ref: CTV News “Tracking every case of COVID-19 in Canada), covid patients in ICUs just as numerous (ibid), and the daily death rate has been equal to the two largest previous waves in May, 2020 and January, 2021 (Worldometer–>coronavirus–>Canada).
As noted further up the thread, visitors have been forbidden entry into my local hospital due to the large number of covid patients within.
I am sad to note that the discourse here seems to have become less polite and less open-minded than previously.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 19 2022 23:40 utc | 423

Purportedly the woman injured by the horse:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159815125879116&id=820919115

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 19 2022 23:47 utc | 424

ted001 #408
Thank you, the perfect retort. The vast majority of people who might catch covid are pretty much unaffected and thereafter have some degree of natural immunity. Such is life. A very small percentage are assisted by a vaccine and they are the people that get the benefit. My rough guess is that one or two percent of vaccinated are in that category. The other 90 percent likely did not need it.
But we act on the precautionary principal. Now, normally, that would be good but in this covid Karen world we find many of the preventative medicines withdrawn from the market by the covid Karens that insist on a jab for everyone. In their deranged mania to enforce conformity and have their personal hysteria appeased, these covid Karens cannot tolerate a thousand flowers blooming. They are a public menace.
I note that China built dedicated hospital stations of significant size (and future utility of course) within weeks. They have the right commitment to public safety and service. All the west is willing to do is to send you home sick with prophylactics banned until you are too far gone, then admit you to a crowded hospital. This is a gross misdirection of public wealth and infrastructure for future public benefit.
This is the real issue – capitalism for the rich or services for the people. The covid Karens want to have it all and now and screw you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 23:49 utc | 425

to oldhippie:
You write a lot of things that turn out to be false. It reminds me of MSM reporters.
the MSM reporters operate a lot like you do – they write whatever they choose to believe…
the MSM reporters and also you believe the facts that they choose to look at and disregard all else…
The MSM reporters have an excuse, which is that they get paid very well for what they write because they learned the skill of writing that which is appealing to others.
What is your excuse?

Posted by: jinn | Feb 19 2022 23:50 utc | 426

From New Mexico 2nd congressional district, Republican Rep. Yvette Herrell — (it is really incredible that this is coming from New Mexico but here we go.)
“Justin Trudeau’s heavy-handed crackdown against peaceful protesters in Canada is not the action of a Western Democracy, but that of an authoritarian regime like Venezuela… 1/3”
“Just as we provide asylum for political prisoners, we should do the same for truckers who have been subjected to violence, had their property confiscated, and their bank accounts frozen by a government that is quickly becoming the embarrassment of the free world. 2/3”
“I am introducing legislation that would temporarily grant asylum to innocent Canadian protesters who are being persecuted by their own government. We cannot be silent as our neighbors to the north are treated so badly. 3/3”
https://twitter.com/RepHerrell/status/1495074820345712645

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 20 2022 0:00 utc | 427

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 23:18 utc | 417
“@all science deniers:…” – that’s always a good start…
Still interested to hear your response as why you – an elderly, retired & non productive member of society, should get access to health care over a fully vaccinated young person with years of productive contribution to society in front of them.
After all the Canadian hospital system is so overburdened & under extreme stress that the last thing needed is elderly high maintenance patients using valuable resources that can be better deployed elsewhere.
Maybe you consider yourself an exception?

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 20 2022 0:09 utc | 428

Remember when it was “two weeks to flatten the curve”.
And the British NHS was so overwhelmed grateful citizens were required to stand in their driveways or windows and clap support and encouragement on Thursdays at 7pm.
Do you want to know how I knew instantly this was the most astonishing psyop yet unleashed on the prols… a total mindfuck?
Tiktoc dancing nurses and orderlies.—-
There have been episodes in my working life where the the load, the expectations, the required “deliverable” necessitated heroic inputs of hours, brain power, collaboration coordination and sheer outrageous luck.
If on any one of those occasions someone had suggested we all demonstrate how excruciatingly overwhelmed and exhausted to the brink of hallucinations we were by choreographing a charming rhythmic dance routine to post to (not yet invented) social media…. I think we would have first ignored you as we really didn’t have time or a brain cell to spare for anything outside the work problem.
If you’d persisted…. well the collective rage from being interrupted with such nonsense would not have translated well for your own health.
Where are the charming tictok set pieces now???? Hmm?
That’s right. Now.. hospitals are back to their usual and pre-pandemic overload.
Prior to March 2020 it was frequent for people in Australia to wait long hours after triage in emergency departments, to have people on beds in hallways, to have ambulances ramped.
Now, these systemic deficiencies in health care are all attributable to “covid”.
And now all “covid” is caused by “unvaxxed”.
I ain’t buying whatever it is that’s being sold::-^

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 0:16 utc | 429

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 20 2022 0:09 utc | 426

Still interested to hear your response as why you – an elderly, retired & non productive member of society, should get access to health care over a fully vaccinated young person with years of productive contribution to society in front of them.
After all the Canadian hospital system is so overburdened & under extreme stress that the last thing needed is elderly high maintenance patients using valuable resources that can be better deployed elsewhere.

Perfectly valid question. Thank you.
All other things being equal, and if health care services are in short supply, a younger person should get access before I do. In fact, I am due to get a replacement hip, but the surgery has been delayed because our hospitals are overrun. I accept this, even though many hospitalized patients are anti-vaxxers, and that segment is grossly over-represented in our hospitals and ICUs. Now for younger patients, needing cancer surgery, or cardiac care, I am not so sympathetic to those that elect to disregard the advice of our public health authorities, and the body of science (imperfect as it is) that they represent.

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 0:22 utc | 430

wagelaborer | Feb 19 2022 18:10 utc | 390
Thank you for the insightful summary of both theUkraine situation and the Covid madness.
Really to the point and links them both together with the background of western government/media collusion.
Putin is well aware that the west will not publish the truth or listen, however for those that are listening and for the sake of the world they are trying to create, Russia still plays by the book. It’s beyond impressive to me.
Talk about holding the line, western lefties should take a leaf out of Putin’s playbook to see how much integrity and patience is required to hold the line on anti war and stay in solidarity with the people, the working class, be they truckers or teachers or whatever.
Humans, particularly westerners, have become dumbed down and gullible and we are all going to be suffering the outcomes of this until enough of us wake up and refuse the narrative (s)
Thanks to everyone posting here on both topics, its so educational and thanks B for providing this open forum.

Posted by: k | Feb 20 2022 0:25 utc | 431

What is odd is when people who swallow the Establishment propaganda whole and then regurgitate it back wrap themselves in the cloak of Science™.
Actual science requires data collection and then reassessment. People still chanting last year’s “We’re all in this together” and “Do it for others and the common good” are showing that they are unable to process over a year’s worth of data collected since then. Embarrassing! (Just kidding, they seem incapable of embarrassment).
We already know that the injections don’t stop the recipients from catching or from spreading the disease. Therefore the “Do it for others” propaganda line is hopelessly outdated.
Anyone who actually knew how to use the scientific method would stop using those slogans.
Here’s a fun project to do to increase your knowledge of how propaganda works.
When your local paper runs a story on how “overwhelmed” your local hospital is with covid patients, look it up on this website (for US only).
https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization
What an eyeopener it turns out to be!
It turns out that the propaganda has nothing to do with reality! No, I’m not kidding! Try it for yourself in your own home!
Also, remember that hospitals in the US fired over a million workers in the first flush of the pandemic when we were told that we had to “flatten the curve” to save the hospitals.
That seems counter-intuitive, but again, propaganda turns out to have nothing to do with reality!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/10/853524764/amid-pandemic-hospitals-lay-off-1-4m-workers-in-april

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 20 2022 0:33 utc | 432

Thank you, K, I appreciate that.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 20 2022 0:36 utc | 433

Retiredmecheng : “…the advice of our public health authorities, and the body of science (imperfect as it is) that they represent.”
There is definitely a consensus on covid and the “vaxes”. Because those that speak against that “consensus”, even medical professionals and experts, are censored, deplatformed, fired and otherwise demonized. Such policy is transparently political and anti-scientific, and so cannot serve public health.

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 20 2022 0:43 utc | 434

Krass & Koncret look at the 60 years war of the USA against almost everyone else.

Three generations of conspicuous destruction by the military-industrial complex – and now the start of a new cold war against China and Russia
In the nearly 60 years that I’ve lived, America has fought five major wars, winning one definitely and then throwing away that victory while disastrously losing the other four. Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq and the Global War on Terrorism were of course the casualties; the Cold War is the only victory that must now be counted as a loss because its promise was so quickly squandered .
America’s war in Vietnam was waged during the Cold War in the context of the so-called domino theory and the idea of ​​”containing” communism. Iraq and Afghanistan were part of the Global War on Terrorism, a post-Cold War event in which “radical Islamic terrorism” became the replacement for communism. Nonetheless, these wars should be treated as a single storyline, a 60-year war if you will, for a single reason: the explanatory power of such a concept.

Report by William Astore here. Translate needed from the German.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 20 2022 0:49 utc | 435

Remember when it was “two weeks to flatten the curve”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 0:16 utc | 427
Actually, that would have been possible with a more intelligent and better disciplined society. Not only did China manage to beat covid, they did so without a roadmap. All the rest of the world had to do was copy their example, but we were too stupid and selfish. And now here we are…

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 0:50 utc | 436

@421 farm ecologist
…visitors have been forbidden entry into my local hospital due to the large number of covid patients within…
We were fed the same excuse. I read about some poor chap outside hospital where his wife was dying. The medical staff acted as bouncers to stop the man accessing the hospital by blocking the entrance.
This is most likely why the woman who shot the video was arrested. In fact, it was!
You should not have been there

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 20 2022 1:37 utc | 437

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 20 2022 1:37 utc | 435
Actually, the same hospital had normal visiting rules prior to the omicron outbreak, so I see nothing nefarious about the current restrictions. And they do allow visitors for patients that are not expected to survive, although unfortunately not all hospitals have such a humane policy.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 1:46 utc | 438

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 0:22 utc | 428
I am not Canadian but live under a similar authoritarian regime – State of Victoria, Australia.
The hospital system here has never been over burdened by covid patients despite the shrill bleating of MSM & politicians.
Ward closures & restricting hospitalization for non covid patients has been the problem.
This is verified by going to the data presented on the Australian Government Dept. of Health website.
Regarding the hospital patients being over represented by the unvaccinated, this had some credence early on in the vaccination program (because most of the population were unvaccinated?), but after some time government sleight of hand was exposed, the reporting changed (the classification of unvaccinted/partially vaccinated/fully vaccinated).
As of 19/02 in Victoria there were 78 patients in ICU (total beds 437).
The health crisis being experienced in the state of Victoria has been caused by government policy, under funded & under staffed long before the ‘pandemic’ – not by the unvaccinated. The mass cancellation of the euphemistically called ‘elective surgery’ over the last two years has created massive unnecessary suffering – this is the crisis. Waiting lists blowing out to years – cancers detection & treatment, spinal surgery, hip replacements, chronic & debilitating pain relief and the list goes on. All government policy in the name of saving the victims of covid.
Regarding your contention that the unvaccinated are undeserving of equal treatment – be very careful what you wish for, because there are plenty of people out there who consider you to be a ‘useless eater’.

Posted by: ted001 | Feb 20 2022 1:55 utc | 439

@418 pogohere
Much appreciated. Will show my wife later this AM.
@428 retiredmecheng
Here in the UK, they’d have slapped a DNR on your notes purely due to your age. Maybe things are different across the ocean, but here they went for the old with relish. Blanket DNR orders for entire care homes.
@436 farm ecologist
Did you watch the video I linked for the empty city hospital (that, thanks to centralisation, is the main county hospital)? It was recorded during the “deadly” Delta outbreak, not Omicron.

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 20 2022 2:04 utc | 440

Willaim Gruff @360–
Thanks for your reply!! I completely agree, and I’m pleased I came back to this thread to find your reasoning. I don’t know if you agree with my saying a new Age is on the rise, but the ancien regime is on its last legs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 20 2022 2:14 utc | 441

Did you watch the video I linked for the empty city hospital (that, thanks to centralisation, is the main county hospital)? It was recorded during the “deadly” Delta outbreak, not Omicron.
Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 20 2022 2:04 utc | 438
I’m not sure what to make of it. My understanding of the UK healthcare system is that it was basically gutted by Thatcher and has probably gotten worse due to chronic underfunding since that time. Without healthcare workers, a hospital is just a building – could that be the case here?
A few impressions:
-Odd that there was no check-in and she was able to walk straight into the hospital.
-A few patients could be seen but not too many. Had these wards and clinics already been shut down prior to delta (see above), or was that done during the outbreak?
-Delta was the most infectious variant known at that time, and they could have been overzealous in keeping the general public away from covid patients (but then why leave the entrance unguarded?).
-The response to her “crime” was unnecessarily heavy-handed.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 2:50 utc | 442

Which reminds me…https://videos.sapo.pt/Am9vybBIGy3NjPpmTK71

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 3:03 utc | 443

@ vetinLA 369
As for me and mine, we’re all vaxed and boosted, with no negative effects, and no trips to the hospital. The future? Who knows? We’ll see. I’m 74, and still feel as well as a 74 yr. can expect. Same for the rest of my family. I find that, considering the differences in people, personal experience. .
I agree with you. (Got a few years on you also.) There is however the feeling that we’re dinosaurs, vestiges of the draft. . .Like, swing over and get your five shots prior to movement. Yes sir, three bags full. And that’s that . .back then. . . but no more, apparently. Will we go with the flow? Probably not, but that’s us. We’re us and they’re them. “Differences in people.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2022 3:12 utc | 444

Russia plays Finland for Gold in Olympic hockey in one hour. Can you imagine Russia winning this game on the last day? They could also medal in the final event; women’s cross country mass start.
All the way Russia!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 20 2022 3:29 utc | 445

white mug
‘white guys dindunuthin, its the blacks, its the chinaman, its the joos..’
Fortunately not all whites are born equal, some do get it..
Like I pointed out many times already, somebody wanna make chinaman the pariah of 21C
https://johnmenadue.com/eve-ottenberg-bigotry-unboundthe-us-medias-anti-china-propaganda-blitz/

Posted by: denk | Feb 20 2022 4:26 utc | 446

Masquerading with masks
So the Munich Security Conference. For the photo ops. Everyone is masked up, fist pumping, not shaking hands. Standing apart. No airkisses.
Then lunch. 40 or so unmarked men* crushed together around a horseshoe table.
So. The virus spreads when you stand in front of an official camera. But is totally absent or benign when seated like sardines at a luncheon.
Science™️ is amazing.
*twitter has noted the gender balance and diversity
https://twitter.com/llendeppen/status/1495186429797875718
Fifty shades of grey
#MSC2022

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 4:45 utc | 447

@ denk 444
somebody wanna make chinaman the pariah of 21C
For most of the last 4,000 years, China was the most powerful country on the planet. For the last 200 years China went down and now it’s coming back and a lot of people are uncomfortable with that not only because of the power, but racism is also a driver.
In the US in 1882 it was the Chinese Exclusion Act which prohibited Chinese laborers—defined as “both skilled and unskilled laborers and Chinese employed in mining”—from entering the United States. The passage of the act represented the outcome of years of racial hostility and anti-immigrant agitation by white Americans. Chinese laborers had made the cross-national US railroads possible, but they weren’t needed any longer. So don’t come in, and those of you in get out.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2022 5:12 utc | 448

@ farm ecologist | Feb 19 2022 23:40 utc | 421
these are the numbers from a freedom of information request on hospitalizations from 2015 to 2021 showing numbers for those taking up ICU and etc… have a look.. does it conform with what you’ve been told??
@ retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 0:22 utc | 428 please read my note above and get back to me as well on these numbers.. thanks! 2nd link inside the one link i am providing here.. you live in b.c., so you would benefit from knowing this.. it is a b.c. gov’t document.. cheers..
FOI Request – HTH-2021-13906

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 5:33 utc | 449

One problem westerners have with Chinese is that they don’t act like us. Westerners say: What’s the problem today? Lick it. Beat it.
For Chinese, it’s the Philosophy Of Flow — Taoism
What is it all about?
It’s often compared to a stream going down a hill.
“That which offers no resistance, overcomes the hardest substances. That which offers no resistance can enter where there is no space.
Few in the world can comprehend the teachings without words, or understand the value of non-action”
Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching, Chapter 43.
A well-known concept that has emerged from Taoist philosophy is Wu Wei, that can be translated as “non-action” , “effortless action” or the paradoxical “Action of non-action”. In a practical sense, we can describe Wu Wei as the state of flow, often referred to as the “the zone” by athletes. When athletes are in zone, they engage in action without striving, and move through time and space effortlessly. There are no extremes, no worries, no ruminations, everything seems to flow in a natural course.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2022 5:36 utc | 450

Don Bacon 446
Today its the..
Global Chinese exclusion Act
memo from uncle scam to world
NO dealings with the chicoms or else !

Posted by: denk | Feb 20 2022 5:49 utc | 451

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 5:33 utc | 447
Hi James,
So if I am understanding your request, you seem to be saying that the answer to the FOI request (hospitalization and ICU usage) differs from what we have been told on our provincial covid dashboard, and differs dramatically from the almost daily briefings from public health officials (Dr. Bonny Henry et al), and from our health minister Adrian Dix.
Yours is a legitimate question, and I will ask a few of my contacts to see if I can find a good explanation. I suspect someone is misinterpreting something, but let’s see where this goes.
Maybe also there is a health practicioner from BC that can chime in on this?

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 5:54 utc | 452

Since nobody said this yet: I fear a nuclear false flag on Kiev might be in the works. Pray that this is not the case, but because of all the moving away from Kiev, something major must be planned. We know a false flag from the evil empire is almost “mandatory”…

Posted by: pepa65 | Feb 20 2022 5:55 utc | 453

@ retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 5:54 utc | 450… thanks… yes, that is what i am seeing/saying.. mind you, the numbers only go to march of 2021, but this covers the first year of covid, and the numbers in ICU does not go up any… so the talk about ICU’s being overfull and etc is not borne out via this freedom of information link for the first year of covid… cheers..

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 6:00 utc | 454

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 6:00 utc | 452
So I sent an email off to the health ministry requesting clarification. I’ll let you know when I hear a response.

Posted by: Jim A Ryan | Feb 20 2022 6:06 utc | 455

I am reading a ZH posted Mises Institute posting about the coming new cold war and what it means for the MIC. It hit me skimming the article that what we could be seeing other than outright kinetic war drum beating is COLD WAR drum beating….keep the money flowing to the Mic.
Makes some sense and explains all the hysterics. Even the Mises story calls BS on the need to increase Mic spending

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2022 6:07 utc | 456

Below is a short ZH posting aAuthored by Jesse Felder via The Felder Report,

Eleven years ago, shortly after the onset of QE 2, Ben Bernanke gave us his definition for “monetization” of the debt, telling Congress (hat tip, Grant’s):

Monetization would require a permanent increase in the money supply to pay the government’s bills through money creation.
What we’re doing here is a temporary measure which will be reversed, so that at the end of this process, the money supply will be normalized, the Fed’s balance sheet will be normalized and there will be no permanent increase, either in money outstanding or in the Fed’s balance sheet.

At the time, The Fed’s balance sheet was approaching $2.5 trillion.
Today, it stands at nearly $9 trillion, more than triple the figure from a decade ago.
And so it only seems fair to ask, ‘Is it monetization yet, Dr. Ben?’

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2022 6:15 utc | 457

James | 452
retiredmecheng
Jim A Ryan
“Barflies”
What James is posting re the data for hospital admissions in BC Canada has also been found regarding NSW Health and also Scotland. And a number of jurisdictions globally.
No. I no longer have links and sources and journals and websites.
Last year I was a walking compendium. But no more.
I found and sourced all this material very early. And did my darnedest to tell everyone, get the message out. What I discovered was, terrifying. What I know about what is happening and why is, … horrific, horrifying, and for most people simply too extreme to be believable.
Call me Cassandra. I spent the better part of a year screaming into the wind. I simply don’t give a fuck now. It’s too late.
People, it seemed, until now, simply did not want to know.
Links went unread, pages painstakingly compiled, edited down, printed, were thrown into trash without ever being taken from the envelope.
I became the butt of jokes and smirky derision for my kooky conspiracy theories.
And gradually, but noticeably, the links and sources and websites and posts, began to disappear.
Reputable source material was systematically removed from general availability. Material could disappear without trace in mere hours. No search engine could produce a result. Valid questions were shouted down, and dissent became unacceptable.. thought crimes were no longer a joke, but real.
Gatekeepers for the narrative appeared at all levels.
People, be they family, friends, acquaintances, online avatars, everyone seemed to just want the convenient, appealing lie.
FACT: These are not “vaccines”. That is not their legal definition. They are “experimental therapies”.
Bill Gates stated on stage at the Munich Security Conference yesterday:

This^ is what we, who committed the heinous crime of “doing our own research”, knew a year or more ago.
I saw here a few threads back, a discussion on Marek’s disease
I was genuinely surprised when people said they did not know about this.
It was something I was trying to explain back from mid 2021. [not here, as I am new to posting, …. but I’ve noted people here too seem to have been banned for covidthoughtcrime]
ADE- antibody dependant enhancement. Again, a topic I tried to introduce to people in “real life” and online.
Greeted everywhere with indifference, at best, bleeding into extreme hostility.
I gave up. The Australian vaccination rates climbed through 60 to 80% to now 95%.
When adults actively resisted being presented with anything that challenges or contradicts the easily proven-to-be-false narratives, I chose to resign from my “campaign”.
That I’ve had to stay silent as beautiful, dearly loved teens and young children in my family are wilfully poisoned with this diabolical “experimental therapy” is tragic and heartbreaking to me.
The mRNA “science juice” ™️ is extremely dangerous. The adverse health effects are already becoming apparent, this will continue, and will escalate.
Of course there will now be a campaign to dis-correlate adverse effects with the jab.
Of course. And cognitive dissonance will play its part.
It is frustrating that now, now people (some) people are having doubts, and think they’d like to dabble in the “alternative” information; now there is some, slight, belated interest. Regrettably, most of the best and most cogent material has vanished.
Voices have been silenced.
And more than just a few have paid with their lives.
§ Save this while you can.
Already the link I saved from #munich security conference
“Cannot be played in your region”.
“Sadly.”
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1494810193175195652?cxt=HHwWiMC5re380L4pAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 458

@Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 456
Thank you for speaking out. I listen.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 20 2022 8:44 utc | 459

Gloucester Hospital. (The one that was filmed as empty)
Going back many years to my fathers retirement, a subsequent stroke, and being placed in Gloucester Hospital for the elderly. (I do not remember the exact name of the department.) We lived in France at the time.
My wife visted him and was horrified at the conditions she found him in. A ward with about 40 bed-ridden patients and only TWO hospital personnel to look after all of them. Many were sitting in shit (as the saying goes) all day. She was able to save him, (get him out of there) and found another home.
Point of the story being is the LACK of personnel, (and I presume that the two nurses were doing their best.) There was already an effort to run down the NHS to allow “Private” companies to profit from Health services. I also presume that there were enough “administrators” to fill up the bureaus and coffee lounges.
*
This PR “overloading” of the Health services has been an aim, evidently, by the Governments of the UK. Add in the mismanagement, eviction of patients and others “to make way for” Covids, and the placing of people with Covid in nursing homes; There is cause for a real accountability about the unnecessary deaths that ensued.
Never forget, never forgive.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 20 2022 8:56 utc | 460

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2022 6:07 utc | 454
Ludwig “Sell Your Children” von Mises.
Tfu, tfu.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 20 2022 10:17 utc | 461

FACT: These are not “vaccines”. That is not their legal definition. They are “experimental therapies”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 456
I do agree with that.
I went with the original two shots, because I did know of people who kicked the bucket thanks to the bug, and I know medical personnel who were in the thick of the first waves, scared shitless.
But like fuck am I going to get any third or further “booster shots”.
Just how often do they want to punch that shit into us? Every month?
Just how shitty ineffective is the experimental treatment that it needs to be reapplied every five minutes?
If it truly is a health and sanitation issue, why the fuck are the vaccine and vaccine surrogates politicized? If the actual intent is stemming a plague, surely the “nationality” of prophylactic treatments is wholly irrelevant?
The politicization of vaccines and “vaccines” is deep into “our precious bodily fluids” territory – the kind of bullshit that could only be cooked up by honchos deranged enough to only drink distilled water and pure alcohol.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 20 2022 11:04 utc | 462

FACT: These are not “vaccines”. That is not their legal definition. They are “experimental therapies”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 456
This is what I understand to be the case for the mRNA injections – Pfizer and Moderna. I think that the AstraZeneca and some others (Sputnik V?) are actually vaccinations in the previously accepted sense.
Is this right?

Posted by: Hope | Feb 20 2022 11:27 utc | 463

Sorry,forgot the link in previous post:
https://odysee.com/@Vivresainement:f/fin-du-monde-covid:2

Posted by: willie | Feb 20 2022 11:44 utc | 464

Just want to say despite all the ill news, congratulations to the Beijing Winter Olympics. A great success despite western media attack day and night.
I freaking love curling matches!

Posted by: Smith | Feb 20 2022 12:02 utc | 465

Posted by: Hope | Feb 20 2022 11:27 utc | 461
Yes, I believe those two “viral-vector” vaccines would be considered “vaccines” under the former definition, as would inactive vaccines like Sinovac’s Coronavac.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 20 2022 12:10 utc | 466

To Blue Dotterel | Feb 20 2022 12:10 utc | 464
Thanks. I have used those, and have avoided anything mRNA.
We live in terrible times.

Posted by: Hope | Feb 20 2022 12:18 utc | 467

462#
Sorry again,can’t find my “previous post”,meant to support oldhippie for his astute ob=servations of police behaviour.

Posted by: willie | Feb 20 2022 12:21 utc | 468

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 456
Really scary to listen to that… don’t know how to define that lump of toxic meat, he talks about “this time” repeatedly, took us two years for the vaccine NEXT time I hope… Man oh man, they’re planning the next one. Every time I see his Windows logo I see a swastika, I can’t comprehend how a supposed nerd, that he’s not, now is the main speaker for medical science. Maybe he should give lectures about lolitas and that Gomorrah island.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 20 2022 12:25 utc | 469

No doubt Putin watched the Olympic Gold medal hockey game and was disappointed.
The Finns showed up for the whole game and Russia didn’t show up until the 3rd period.
There’s the Rule of the Last Inch and then there’s my rule of wanting it more to the last drop, and Russia failed to apply both.
They should have watched the women’s game between Canada-USA. That’s how you deliver a Gold Medal game.
On the Canada note, too bad the breathless baby Trudeau had to get his way implementing police state tactics instead of dropping the mandatory vaccine. Apparently even protests without trucks are now verboten. Glorious and Free my ass.
Dynasties anywhere are a bitch everywhere.
I’m talking Trumps, Bushes, Clintons and Trudeaus.
Back to the Olympics: the Chinese brought it in a pandemic. Great job!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 20 2022 12:49 utc | 470

b,a new addition to your ‘at what cost’ collection: https://www.wired.com/story/china-zero-covid-vaccines/

Posted by: cindy6 | Feb 20 2022 14:21 utc | 471

Re: retiredmecheng #375, #391
@many
I have grave doubts whether “retiredmecheng” is, in fact, even an engineer. It is 100% clear that even if he/she is, this person has never practiced engineering.
It is also notable that this person has never once provided a single piece of data – not evidence, not even links to anyone else much less a credible source.
Either “retiredmecheng” is a troll or a typical PMC – maybe a retired professor in Ottawa.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but this one’s opinions are singularly uninformed and yet is so preachy.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 20 2022 15:35 utc | 472

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 5:33 utc | 449
Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 5:54 utc | 452
Posted by: Jim A Ryan | Feb 20 2022 6:06 utc | 455
Thanks, James. The data clearly do not show any increases in total hospitalizations or ICU admissions in BC between pre-covid times and the first year of the pandemic. However, if the number of beds is constant (e.g., no new covid hospitals, a la Wuhan), then a possible explanation could be that covid patients have displaced non-covid patients. It might also be possible to account for the ~7% decrease in regular hospital admissions over 2020/2021 due to longer average hospital stays (note that the duration of each stay is not indicated) and/or patients with “less urgent” issues being forced to wait to minimize spread of the virus. Recall that during the early months of the pandemic the medical community did not really know how to treat covid and the death rate was higher than at present.
I look forward to whatever info JAR is able to find to shed light on this situation.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 16:05 utc | 473

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 16:05 utc | 473

However, if the number of beds is constant (e.g., no new covid hospitals, a la Wuhan), then a possible explanation could be that covid patients have displaced non-covid patients. It might also be possible to account for the ~7% decrease in regular hospital admissions over 2020/2021 due to longer average hospital stays (note that the duration of each stay is not indicated) and/or patients with “less urgent” issues being forced to wait to minimize spread of the virus.

Yes, I think you have identified what is going on. Or in other words, non-urgent surgeries and treatments have been deferred, due to a finite amount of beds, and/or due to staffing shortages.
Why else would surgeries be deferred if it wasn’t for shortages? And yes, one of those deferred was mine.
I too look forward to the official explanation. I am afraid though that the question might not be framed specific enough. It would have been better to compare one month of data in the FOI to the specific covid dashboard for that month, and to pick a month where surgeries were known to be deferred.

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 16:32 utc | 474

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 20 2022 15:35 utc | 472
Thanks for the early morning humour!
And I am fascinated that you are so intrigued about my career. So far you are batting a big fat zero. I spent my 40 year career in the private sector. “Building things” is a reasonable summary.
Although for most subjects that I debate on this blog, being an “engineer” has absolutely no bearing (pun intended). In fact, most engineers I have met in my life would tend to gravitate towards your perspective. Narrow, close minded, and having total confidence that our way of life is sustainable, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Not exactly a badge of honour – if you ask me.
As far as being a troll, well maybe you can refer me to some organization where I can send my resume? I believe in the scientific method (as I have stated many times), and I pretty much fully buy into the geopolitical analysis presented by b and by the Saker. I have serious doubts about the Apollo moon landings, and I am convinced that fire cannot cause structural steel buildings to collapse as observed on 9/11. I should be snapped up quick, and with a good salary to boot!

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 16:44 utc | 475

thanks for the replies everyone… i appreciate it..
@Melaleuca | Feb 20 2022 7:59 utc | 458… that is fairly disheartening to read… i was the one who brought forth a quote a couple of weeks back on Marek’s disease… i was unaware of this, so i suppose i am guilty of not staying on top of all the information that has been flying since covid… thanks for sharing your perspective..
@ farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 16:05 utc | 473… thanks… i like your optimism and possible explanation for these numbers… hard to know, but it is possible… hopefully someone or @ Jim A Ryan can shed more light on this… happy sunday morning!

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 16:48 utc | 476

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 20 2022 16:05 utc | 473
Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 16:32 utc | 474
I also vaguely remember the public health officials referring to the requirement for setting aside “surge capacity” in our hospitals and ICUs. It is possible that this extra capacity was never fully utilized.
Also, I do remember several patients were flown from areas in the province where the hospitals were fully utilized, to locations which had open space.

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 16:55 utc | 477

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 16:48 utc | 476
Hi James, is there a way that I can send you a private message? I’m kinda wary about posting my email address, and maybe you are more courageous than I am?

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 17:01 utc | 478

@retiredmecheng
“ I have serious doubts about the Apollo moon landings”
This is sufficient proof that you are a troll.

Posted by: Platero | Feb 20 2022 17:03 utc | 479

This is an excellent article
Those who are still singularly focused on the dangers of Covid presumably think that Trudeau is right. But with the highly infectious and much milder omicron variant, hospitalization and death rates are plummeting worldwide, as the virus, after spreading like wildlife, starts to burn itself out.
Even if vaccine mandates are enforced, few of the unvaccinated will manage to get both doses before they are exposed to the virus and develop natural immunity anyway. Omicron has made the already dubious need for vaccine mandates and quarantines largely moot. The evidence suggests natural infection provides – for the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike – stronger and longer-term immunity of the kind the vaccines have so far failed to deliver.
https://www.unz.com/jcook/as-trudeau-cracks-down-the-left-drives-protesters-into-the-rights-arms-again/

Posted by: ld | Feb 20 2022 17:06 utc | 480

retiredmecheng | Feb 20 2022 17:01 utc | 478 look up james mcrae on the internet and see what comes up..

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2022 17:22 utc | 481

Rebel Reporter shot by police
disturbing video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc1rjRH3TEk

Posted by: ld | Feb 20 2022 18:50 utc | 482

@retiredmecheng #475
You assert you spent 40 years building things – I think you spent 40 years in management or marketing or some such.
I have grave doubts that you have built anything beyond a lego set.
As for closed minded: who exactly is close minded here?
I am the one looking at both sides’ arguments and spending time and mental effort to consider data and make my own conclusions.
You are the one parroting what other people say.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you have zero interest in considering anything outside of the “consensus”.
You are the one who started off ascribing characteristics to other people: they are close minded, they are deniers, etc etc.
Keep on truckin’ dude – you have lost all credibility and continue digging in the hole you have created for yourself.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 21 2022 15:16 utc | 483

@c1ue #195:

I never said Belarus suspended exports of Potash.

And I never said you said Belarus suspended exports of potash. My comment #172 was addressed to Sun Tzu, not you.
In my other comment about potash, #148, which was addressed to you, I expressed full agreement with you and provided some additional information.
Please re-read my comments.

Posted by: S | Feb 21 2022 21:52 utc | 484

@Sun Tzu #192:

I stand to be corrected but Belarus producer declared “Force Majeure” and will not meet contracts. Shipments have been halted. If you are in disagreement with it vent your frustrations with allah the pope or with whomever you worship.

What? There are no “frustrations” of any kind in my commment #172. Your original comment #144 suggested it was Belarus’ deliberate decision to suspend potash shipments, and it wasn’t, so I posted a comment correcting you—that’s all.
#204:

Belarus Potash Corporation didn’t invoke Force Majeur due to lack of Lithuanian ports. It did it because of US sanctions. But these are only applied to US$ transactions.

U.S. sanctions went into effect on December 8, 2021, but transit through Lithuania continued, as it was pre-paid by Belarus. EU sanctions are limited in scope to only about 20% of Belarusian potash exports, exempting the main grade it produces (potash with 60% potassium content), so Lithuania could have continued to transit about 80% of Belarusian potash indefinitely, accepting future payments in euros. But Lithuania is ruled by U.S. puppets who do not care about Lithuanian economy, so it has declared that the transit of Belarusian potash is “against national security interests” and broke the contract with Belarus. It was only when Lithuania stopped the transit on February 1 and the Ukraine followed suit on February 16 that Belarus has lost the ability to fulfill its contracts and had to declare force majeure, which it did on February 16. Of course, Lithuania and the Ukraine did this on U.S. orders. So it’s not about currency, it’s about physical routes.
#229:

But this does not preclude BPC from selling through other export routes and/or using other currencies as my hyperlinks just proved.

Yes, Belarus can switch to other export routes, it’s already doing this, but it takes time. It can’t just redirect a 12-million-tonnes-per-year flow overnight. The contracts, however, must be fulfilled now, hence the force majeure.
Soligorsk (Belarus) to Klaipeda (Lithuania) is about 840 km by rail.
Soligorsk to Primorsk (Leningrad Oblast, Russia) is about 1250 km by rail, which is manageable with a 50% increase in rail freight costs and an expansion of the potash railcar fleet by 50%. However, the construction of the new port in Primorsk have only just begun: it will take more than 3 years for the first terminals to start operating at reduced capacity (5 million tonnes per year for the fertilizer terminal) and a few more years to reach full capacity (7 million tonnes per year for the fertilizer terminal, although this may now be increased).
Soligorsk to Novorossiysk (Krasnodar Kray, Russia) is about 2080 km by rail, requiring a 150% increase in the railcar fleet and a 150% increase in rail freight costs, and the Novorossiysk port has not even started the construction of its solid fertilizer terminal (5 million tonnes per year)—it’s still in planning stage.
Direct rail transport to China is too expensive due to the cost of rail freight and the number of railcars Belarus would have to purchase (about 12 times what it has now). Even if Belarus were to do this, it would still take a lot of time to build these railcars, and Belarus would then be locked into a single customer, which would negatively affect the prices of its potash. Additionally, China already has existing contracts with other suppliers and won’t just sign a 12 million tonnes per year contract with Belarus all of a sudden. And even if it did, Belarus would still have to declare force majeure on existing contracts.

“S” wrongly claimed that it was not Belarus that halted shipments but that Lithuania and Ukraine had blocked BPC from using their routes.

There was nothing “wrong” with my statement. Lithuania and the Ukraine did, in fact, block transit, preventing Belarusian potash exports. You are the one making wrong claims.
#270:

Some port storage & ship loading idle capacity became available in Russia after the announced pause in Ammonium Nitrate exports.

Russia’s exports of ammonium nitrate will resume on April 1. It will take Belarus a few weeks just to sign the necessary contracts with Russian Railways and Russian ports. Belarus may be able to export some of its potash via existing Russian terminals, but not the 12 million tonnes per year it needs to, hence the force majeure.
#348:

There is no problem with handling 12 million tons of Potash per year by train.

Most of Canadian potash is transported to the Western coast, a distance of about 2000 km by rail. Belarus to central China is about 11,000 km by rail.
#373:

BPC already loads rail cars to go to a port facility in Lithuania. Why not send the hopper cars all the way due East…

Because the longer the rail route, the more railcars you need for the same throughput.

Posted by: S | Feb 21 2022 21:52 utc | 485

Re rail freight. Another thing to be aware of is axle loading and what axle loading a rail line is designed for. A couple of figures I run onto the other day. A rail line in west Australia that carries a lot of wheat has a design of slightly over 20 ton axle loading. Dedicated lines from the iron ore mines to ports in the north west have axle loadings of around 35 tons, the most recent one built has an axle loading of around 42 tons.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2022 15:40 utc | 486

@S # 485

Sun Tzu #373:
BPC already loads rail cars to go to a port facility in Lithuania. Why not send the hopper cars all the way due East…

S replies: Because the longer the rail route, the more railcars you need for the same throughput.
I appreciate your replies but it seems obvious that you didn’t read the rest of my post #373 because I stated in it that China can build a whole new fleet of custom rail cars like CANPOTEX did in Canada after using regular grain cars. Plus, the new rail cars that Canpotex built are heavier gauge steels build to account for the poured density of Potash and would move more tonnage per load or less rail cars per shipments still with same tonnage. I mentioned this because there were still multiple ways of delivering BPC’s commodity even after Lithuania and Ukraine’s decision to ban trade routes through their territory. I mentioned a couple like using the temporarily idle facilities for Russian AN export sales. I even stated that Russia announced a pause for 2 months starting in February. This is well known.You mention the increase in rail Freight cost but didn’t mention offsets from the Potash price rally bonanza caused by the Belarus announcement. No mentioning of eastbound Rail Cars s via Silk Road in your reply. In law, you have an obligation to mitigate your losses. So there were/ are short, medium & long term remedial actions available to plaintiff who elected not to proceed.
The moral side of the story is that rallying commodities by key producers may be forgivable in war time but it is sort of aggression against the poor guys in Yemen and other parts of the world that depend on dwindling supply of food.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Feb 22 2022 16:00 utc | 487