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February 18, 2022
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Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 5:43 utc | 279 Posted by: ted001 | Feb 19 2022 7:29 utc | 301 Posted by: Grieved | Feb 19 2022 6:45 utc | 290 Posted by: Paul | Feb 19 2022 7:33 utc | 302 Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2022 4:20 utc | 257 Posted by: marsal | Feb 19 2022 7:34 utc | 303 Ukraine Pipeline explosion Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 7:37 utc | 304 TAKING UP BED SPACE means death for someone else, say with a heart attack, and guess what? Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 19 2022 7:59 utc | 305 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 5:43 utc | 279 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 19 2022 8:17 utc | 306 Grieved #290
I used “iatrogenic disaster” as my search term on lazyweb (now Andi) and the above was top of the list. Perhaps some detailed research into this subject will held develop an expose for our times. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 8:20 utc | 307 If you have a strong stomach. Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 8:30 utc | 308 Iatrogenic disaster ….
This seems like it could be a productive inquiry. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 8:36 utc | 309 Humour relief Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 8:37 utc | 310 One session of interest… food security Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2022 8:56 utc | 311 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 8:36 utc | 307 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 19 2022 9:05 utc | 312 @uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 6:44 utc | 289 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 19 2022 9:15 utc | 313 The elderly woman in the walker trampled by a police horse in Ottawa is now reported dead. Developing story to be confirmed. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 9:18 utc | 314 If the covidiots here did not exist, the Fascist empire would find it necessary for you to exist. & here you are. Spin doctors of idiocy that make that make status authorities preferable. The Lunatic Fringe Sovereign Freemen on the Land Citizens presumed to dictate who they would form a new government with, deputized themselves to make arrests on their own `authority’, and issued an arrest warrant for the Prime Minister of Canada. Appreciated Chrystia Freeland coming down on hard with both jackboots on you trash. Canadian Freedom Movement from your anus. Posted by: Laurence | Feb 19 2022 9:22 utc | 315 Ma Laoshi #311 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 9:38 utc | 316 FakeHippie [*supra*] Posted by: Laurence | Feb 19 2022 9:42 utc | 317 @ 315 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 9:51 utc | 318 Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 19 2022 3:16 utc | 244 Posted by: Sushi | Feb 19 2022 10:00 utc | 319 You get your truth exclusively from the covidiot twitterati, you will be completely ignorant of what actually happened/happens, Ol’ hippie. Cordeliers, Bartlett, Byzantina … selectavision is a liabilty. People on horseback can see over the front line of covidiots. Those horses are good at NOT stepping on people. Posted by: Laurence | Feb 19 2022 10:09 utc | 320 Posted by: blues | Feb 19 2022 4:08 utc | 251
. . . and do it before the US State of the Union address on March 1st as otherwise Brandon will look like a duffus when he proclaims he “won” and defeated the “Evil Poutine.” Posted by: Sushi | Feb 19 2022 10:18 utc | 321 too scents | 309 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 10:29 utc | 322 Unz review looks at how a genteel report on why the Ukraine invasion mania is all about Germany turned the site on fire and attracted a flood of interest. Ron Unz discusses this and other topics that are red hot at this time and his experiment in presenting more video material through Rumble. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 10:43 utc | 323 Says here truckers are the tip of the spear: Posted by: Sparrow | Feb 19 2022 10:44 utc | 324 On horses and protest. A pocket of marbles to drop on the ground can have a stabilising effect on the power relationship. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 10:45 utc | 325 Just rode to the gas pump and out of the fumes like a genie appeared petite bimbo fraulein Baerbock telling all Europeans that we have to pay a price just to poke the bear and support the grandchildren of collaborators to win the battles that their nazi grandparents lost. Sure ministress Lena, the chauffeur does the pumping. What a bunch of deranged clowns. Posted by: Paco | Feb 19 2022 10:47 utc | 326 Covid update from India Posted by: R M Rao | Feb 19 2022 10:51 utc | 327 Sushi | Feb 19 2022 10:00 utc | 317 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 19 2022 11:04 utc | 328 The Canadian Parliament has been suspended by Trudeau. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 11:08 utc | 329 From the Intel Slava Telegram channel: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 19 2022 11:18 utc | 330 Video of woman reported to be a senior indigenous citizen who was trampled hy a police horse in Ottawa, Canada as part of Trudeau’s assertion of Emergency Act. Posted by: Sushi | Feb 19 2022 11:37 utc | 331 BP #328 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 19 2022 11:38 utc | 332 Seems Ukraine couldn’t get to step one of Minsk. Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Feb 19 2022 11:44 utc | 333 @oldhippie | Feb 19 2022 9:18 utc | 312
I hope this isn’t true, but if it is it must be a signal to everyone that in order to protect her health they had to kill her. Unless you are mentally challenged it must be clear that this is not about protecting health in any way, this is violent and murderous suppression. It is about a deeply sinister political agenda that is ready to kill to get its way.
Yes, this is the bare truth, Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 11:48 utc | 334 Candace Owens, American conservative author, talk show host,Tweets for Biden to send American troops to Canada to rescue us from Trudeau Castro Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 19 2022 11:50 utc | 335 @327 Parliament resumes today. 7 am to midnight Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 19 2022 11:53 utc | 336 I think I’ll just skip reading the rest of the comments: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 19 2022 11:55 utc | 337 Russia is ready for war Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 19 2022 12:00 utc | 338 The incentives to the hospitals is not Biden’s doing. It was the Trump administration and the Warp Speed program. Some 3000 $ for each covid diagnosis and some 35.000 $ for each patient who was put on ventilators. Guess what happened. I m not sure if remdesivir was part of the WS program but this drug is so toxic that even WHO says it shouldn’t be used for the treatment of covid. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:38 utc | 339 Women and kids being evacuated from Donbass into Russia. That didn’t happen even in the worst of the fighting between MH17 and Minsk. Five-eyes moving their embassies to Lvov, and Putin will be present for the strategic weapons exercises which I take to mean in the military command center… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:41 utc | 340 Women and kids being evacuated from Donbass into Russia. That didn’t happen even in the worst of the fighting between MH17 and Minsk. Five-eyes moving their embassies to Lvov, and Putin will be present for the strategic weapons exercises which I take to mean in the military command center… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:42 utc | 341 Women and kids being evacuated from Donbass into Russia. That didn’t happen even in the worst of the fighting between MH17 and Minsk. Five-eyes moving their embassies to Lvov, and Putin will be present for the strategic weapons exercises which I take to mean in the military command center… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:44 utc | 342 @Petri Krohn | Feb 19 2022 12:00 utc | 336 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 19 2022 12:46 utc | 343 Norwegian | 332 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 12:57 utc | 344 uncle tungsten | 323 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2022 13:04 utc | 345 Reply to 283 Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 19 2022 13:30 utc | 346 Why Ukraine, why now? Here’s a clue from Bhadrakumar: Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 19 2022 13:33 utc | 347 @ uncle tungsten #272
https://www.canpotex.com/how-we-move-potash/transportation-logistics Posted by: Sun Tzu | Feb 19 2022 13:34 utc | 348 Petri Krohn 366 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2022 13:40 utc | 349 By the way, that came up when I typed in military exercise Belgorod Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2022 13:42 utc | 350 Peter AU1 | 135 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 19 2022 13:52 utc | 351 Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 19 2022 4:50 utc | 263 Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 19 2022 14:01 utc | 352 Sun Tzu 268 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2022 14:03 utc | 353 How does Russia prove it is not going to invade, even if given a R2P compulsion? Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 19 2022 14:17 utc | 354 It is my conviction that the Ukrainian government no longer controls anything in the country, not even the Ukrainian armed forces. Posted by: Orlando | Feb 19 2022 14:23 utc | 355 Ventin263. Ok I get it now. You are like my father, too scared to think logically or rationally. I get it I just don’t subscribe. Don’t worry it will pass. Severity level could very easily be a demographic thing. In Canada u can follow the overwhelmed hospital hospital meme back too far to be coincidence pretty much each flu season. My family and I are fully vaxed. Myself against my will to stay employed and not have to get divorced. Each of us has had this thing, possibly more than once. Judging by personal experience and what’s actually gone on I’d say this Pandemic has been about profit, market share, and control. It seems to be most authoritarian in NATO centric and commonwealth, and vassal states. Notable exception being some red states to the south. We are experiencing a post truth dark age. I only hope they don’t kill to many more of us to get even more of what they already have. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 19 2022 14:26 utc | 356 @269 I was suggesting that it was nuts for Putin
Do you trust that Western military units will all act sanely when they see Russian missiles in the air? Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 14:33 utc | 357 The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz had better think carefully on what he does next with regards to Ukraine and Russia, for two-thirds of Germans support the Russian Nordstream II project and the supply of Russian gas. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 19 2022 15:04 utc | 358 @269 I was suggesting that it was nuts for Putin
Do you trust that Western military units will all act sanely when they see Russian missiles in the air? Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 15:08 utc | 359 Peter AU1 @197, karlof1:
Agreed, but I have just one small detail to discuss. Nothing the Communist Party of China does can possibly be a surprise, other than maybe people being surprised that they do what they say they will do. President Xi, despite being the all new “Great Helmsman”, does not have the authority to do really major things on his own initiative. I mean, he could probably arrange for big and surprising things to happen, but that would be an abuse of his position. Xi has never committed such abuse before and I rather doubt his stated personal philosophy would allow it. Major things have to be decided by the Party, and that takes time and cannot happen in secret. You cannot get nearly a hundred million people to make a big decision without all kinds of pro-con position papers being published, studied, and debated. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 19 2022 15:14 utc | 360 @librul | Feb 19 2022 15:08 utc | 356 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 19 2022 15:21 utc | 361 The perverted elite tying off another loose end that could’ve provided more information, but not now he has like, Epstein, been suicided. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 19 2022 15:24 utc | 362 @ librul | Feb 19 2022 15:08 utc | 356 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 15:31 utc | 363 Sorry, just insert the missing word of choice: hope, trust, assume, … etc. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 15:37 utc | 364 Smoothiex12 discusses what’s at stake in the confrontation between the US and Russia- Europe itself. LDNR is a small but important part in a much bigger picture. That’s what the “Putin must invade” brigade don’t understand. Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2022 15:40 utc | 365 Now we know why the civilians have been evacuated: Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2022 15:44 utc | 366 @ Norwegian
Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2022 15:48 utc | 367 @355 RepublicofScotland Posted by: Ant. | Feb 19 2022 15:50 utc | 368 BD @ 303; Thanks for the link, and the advice. Never hurts, no matter what, to add some new info to the mix. Yep, I’m a yank. Home of the most uninsured people in the industrialized world. Health care here works, if you’re wealthy or a former member of a good union. I’m part of the latter group, thankfully. As for me and mine, we’re all vaxed and boosted, with no negative effects, and no trips to the hospital. The future? Who knows? We’ll see. I’m 74, and still feel as well as a 74 yr. can expect. Same for the rest of my family. I find that, considering the differences in people, personal experience is the best guide for behavior. Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 19 2022 15:58 utc | 369 The power of propaganda
Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2022 15:59 utc | 370 @Down South | Feb 19 2022 15:48 utc | 364 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 16:01 utc | 371 tannenhouser @ 354 said;”I’d say this Pandemic has been about profit, market share, and control. It seems to be most authoritarian in NATO centric and commonwealth, and vassal states.” Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 19 2022 16:20 utc | 372 @ Peter AU1 #351 Posted by: Sun Tzu | Feb 19 2022 16:29 utc | 373 John Pilger has a piece up at Consortiom News (War in Europe & the Rise of Raw Propaganda) and the first line is Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 19 2022 16:40 utc | 374 Posted by: ted001 | Feb 19 2022 7:29 utc | 301
Firstly, some facts. The health care system in Canada has been overwhelmed for much of the last 2 years. ICU units have been particularly stressed with covid patients, many of whom have previously elected not to be vaccinated. This is not/was not a hypothetical situation. This has caused countless deferred surgeries and treatments, and dissuaded countless others from getting early diagnosis for afflictions (cancer, cardio issues, etc). Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 16:51 utc | 375 Sun Tzu 373 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2022 16:56 utc | 376 @vetinLA #265 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 16:56 utc | 377 @retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 16:51 utc | 375
You are asking people to state private, confidential health information. It is not advisable to give such information. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 16:58 utc | 378
This is a big jump but obviously is only one month. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:17 utc | 379 Climate models = crap: detailed look
There are many more specific examples pulled straight from the code. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:32 utc | 380 @ retiredmecheng #375
I am retired also and held an iron ring on my pinky finger. Posted by: Sun Tzu | Feb 19 2022 17:35 utc | 381 @Norwegian #378 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:35 utc | 382 @Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 19 2022 15:21 utc | 361 Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 17:37 utc | 383 @Norwegian #378 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:38 utc | 384 @Posted by: Sun Tzu | Feb 19 2022 17:35 utc | 381 Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 17:49 utc | 385 @c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:32 utc | 380
In simple terms these models are the same as those used for short term weather forecasts, they quickly diverge and become useless for more than a few days, often sooner. Somehow these “scientists” claim that the same models have more predictive power decades into the future. It is self-evident nonsense. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 17:50 utc | 386 Hospitals and ICUs are no where near unduly stressed. Certainly, this is the case in Canada. Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 19 2022 17:51 utc | 387 Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:44 utc | 342 Posted by: pogohere | Feb 19 2022 17:55 utc | 388 @c1ue | Feb 19 2022 17:38 utc | 384 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 18:01 utc | 389 Something occurred to me about Putin’s missile test today. Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 18:09 utc | 390 To those who think that it would simply be a matter of Russia issuing a press release to counter US propaganda (ie. Why doesn’t Russia just point out the Ukrainian buildup on the Donbass border) think back to the fake chemical weapons attack in Douma. Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 19 2022 18:10 utc | 391
You two make quite the tag team don’t you! It actually would be kinda cute if it wasn’t for the fact that misleading people on both climate change science and on medical science will cause untold suffering for all of us. Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 18:20 utc | 392 Sun Tzu | 348
Those go right past my house. I could camp out on the tracks for a Freedumb protest, for 3 or 4 weeks. What do you think? Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 19 2022 18:21 utc | 393 @ retiredmecheng #375, Posted by: Kadath | Feb 19 2022 18:24 utc | 394 To answer the hospital question. Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 19 2022 18:24 utc | 395 Sushi | 319
I heard they were harassed by the antivaxers, as with anyone else wearing masks, and any property owner who chose to have health restrictions. Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 19 2022 18:27 utc | 396 Posted by: Kadath | Feb 19 2022 18:24 utc | 393 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 18:28 utc | 397 @Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 19 2022 12:38 utc | 339
20% kickback on the entire hospital bill *to the hospital* if a hospital inpatient is given remdesivir. Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 18:28 utc | 398 @Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 18:28 utc | 397
Further research would be useful. Posted by: librul | Feb 19 2022 18:35 utc | 399 @retiredmecheng | Feb 19 2022 18:20 utc | 391
That is a political argument, thanks for proving my point. The gate-keepers know their place. In today’s technical world there is no need for “scientific experts” (appealing to authority is a logical fallacy) to decide what is allowable. Journals don’t have any monopoly on science. In the past you needed to go via journals to get published, but the best science is today self published and open. Of course there is a lot of rubbish, but that is also true among the “scientific experts” because they are biased. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 19 2022 19:00 utc | 400 |
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