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February 18, 2022
Open Thread 2022-14

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Where are the OSCE inspectors?
Shelling is being exchanged in the Donbas.

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:05 utc | 1

The OSCE has a Parliamentary Assembly.
The US representatives don’t appear to be the worst of the dual loyalists.
https://www.oscepa.org/en/members/member-countries/united-states-of-america

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:09 utc | 2

It does not look like Putin will fall into the Kabul trap. If I was Zelenski I would be studying up on Deim. Look for Generals in Kiev around Easter (your choose, Catholic or Orthodox).

Posted by: wobblie | Feb 18 2022 15:13 utc | 3

MercoPress: Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro and his Russian colleague Vladimir Putin Wednesday underlined the future importance of the BRICS partnership (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) and called for a more fluent dialogue between the Mercosur and the Eurasian Economic union (EAEU), according to a joint statement released after their meeting in Moscow.
Colombia Reports: The former commander of Colombia’s armed forces allegedly helped paramilitary organization AGC control the drug trade in the southwest of the country, according to radio station Blu. The radio station made the claim based on a 663-page prosecution report in which retired General Leonardo Barrero was accused of helping “Matamba.”
Oil Now According to the survey, Venezuela had the largest increase in the month, as imports of Iranian condensate gave it a significant boost to operations in its Orinoco Belt, where its ultraheavy crude requires diluent to extract. Still subject to US sanctions restricting its oil sales, Venezuela produced 750,000 b/d in December, the survey found, its highest since February 2020.
El Salvador Perspectives: The adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender in El Salvador has not created a financial bonanza for El Salvador. Instead, El Salvador’s Bitcoin trading, led by its Bitcoin-cyber bro president, has accumulated $18 million USD in unrealized losses, and the country’s credit rating on world financial markets has fallen through the floor. The International Monetary Fund urges Bukele to reverse course, and the likelihood of needed loan funding from the IMF seems ever more remote.

Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 18 2022 15:16 utc | 4

Librul (1)
Don’t expect much from the OSCE, Russia has already publicly berated the OSCE for its silence in the recent Kazakhstan events. Expect even less co-operation from the OSCE now Poland has the chair, infact I’d say that the two peoples republics will be blamed for hostilities kicking off, when its more than likely that Zelensky will sanction the offensive against them.
Cue the neo-Nazi Azov battalion and their war crimes that will follow on.
https://eng.belta.by/politics/view/osces-reaction-to-events-in-kazakhstan-slammed-as-shameful-146951-2022/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 18 2022 15:19 utc | 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eXNdhPoea20
Frontline video from Donetsk. Today. This one will likely stay up a while. Shelling of civilian area, interviews with civilians.
There is much much more of this. You have to look.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 18 2022 15:22 utc | 6

My guess is this could be Putin’s game plan with regard to Ukraine.
Here’s the situation.
1. Today, both Donetsk and Lugansk have announced they are evacuating the non-combat population (women, children, etc.) to Russia.
2. A few days ago, the Duma (Congress) voted overwhelmingly to recognize Donetsk and Lugansk. This is something Russia did not do a few years ago, instead opting for the Minsk agreement.
3. At this point, the Kremlin has not OKed the vote. Putin is still pressing for Minsk to be implemented.
4. There is no way in hell Minsk will be implemented. Ukraine (and the US behind the scenes) will never concede to allowing any kind of autonomy to Donetsk and Lugansk.
Here’s my speculation. Probably has some holes, but I think it makes sense strategically from Russia’s point of view.
With the non-combatants evacuated, Russia would have a free hand to inflict massive damage on Ukrainian troops without killing civilians. If Ukraine continues to not honor Minsk, Russia will simply OK the Duma vote and recognize the two provinces as being independent. At that point, Russia can enter the territories without violating Ukraine sovereignty since they would have been invited by sovereign entities. And without civilians in the way, Russia could unleash powerful weapons that they normally couldn’t because much of the fighting would occur in urban settings.

Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:25 utc | 7

A possible indication of Russian thinking?
https://anti-empire.com/surkov-it-is-high-time-russia-reverses-the-obscene-treaty-of-brest-litovsk-1918/

Posted by: morongobill | Feb 18 2022 15:31 utc | 8

@Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:25 utc | 7

With the non-combatants evacuated, Russia would have a free hand to inflict massive damage on Ukrainian troops without killing civilians. If Ukraine continues to not honor Minsk, Russia will simply OK the Duma vote and recognize the two provinces as being independent. At that point, Russia can enter the territories without violating Ukraine sovereignty since they would have been invited by sovereign entities. And without civilians in the way, Russia could unleash powerful weapons that they normally couldn’t because much of the fighting would occur in urban settings.

This will regardless be used as “russian invasion” and voila, you have NS2 sanctions in no time.
This is the dream scenario of the warmongers in the west. It will not happen.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 15:32 utc | 9

Following up my own #6 and responding to #7.
The bombardment is nothing like what would prepare for an offensive. Most shells falling in fields. The residents interviewed are elderly but quite healthy and mobile, they would be among the first to be evacuated. They have not heard of that yet.
Looks more like something being done for entertainment. The troops are bored. The news needs loud noises to make it feel like a crisis. If rural civilians get injured or killed or have their homes damaged that counts for nothing. It only fails if Russia should decide they are tired of the game. Which would “prove” they were always going to invade.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 18 2022 15:34 utc | 10

I civili stanno sfollando in Russia, restano solo le milizie a far fronte ad un esercito ucronazi, un esercito soverchiante che potrebbe aver ragione delle milizie separatiste che vista l’impossibilità di resistere si ritirano aprendo varchi consistenti e permettendo all’esercito ucronazi di avanzare per molti km,
Dopo che i pesci sono entrati nella rete ai russi e alle milizie basterà issarla.

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 15:36 utc | 11

Musburger@7
With the civilians out of harms way, recognition, and an invitation from LDNR (a la Syria) to intervene then its clean house time on the line of contact. PMC’s, Nazi wannabes and the chemical brothers can be swiftly dealt with by thermobaric means. The bug in the ointment is if suicide squads blow up the nuclear plants. Something tells me this has been gamed out. Keep your brown trousers readily to hand, these are scarily historic times we are passing through. Concurrently, we may yet see a settling of accounts in Syria and the Eastern Med….

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Feb 18 2022 15:38 utc | 12

Ok I get it. The Duma recognizing break away Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk is perfectly legal under international law because Russia is agreement capable?
The US Congress once recognized the breakaway republics of Texas and California so there is precedence.
Not to mention the breakaway nations and territories of Native Americans which became absorbed by the US.
Is this all logically, historically consistent and agreeable to barflies under international law?

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 18 2022 15:38 utc | 13

@10. It very well may not play out in the manner I put forth. And even if it does, it doesn’t resolve anything in the big picture. Or maybe it does if such a move puts genuine fear into Europe. But I don’t see how there is going to be any peaceful resolution here. The longer Putin continues to acquiesce to “talks” the worse the situation on the ground becomes and the stronger the anti-Russian propaganda heats up. How would you speculate that this will play out? Nobody knows, but I’d like to hear some theories.

Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:39 utc | 14

Tweet with pics of the evacuation buses.
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1494684295566397444

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 18 2022 15:40 utc | 15

If Russian forces retaliate I expect Azov HQ to be destroyed first then major miltary arsenals and finally the front lines. No invasion needed.
Genocide is a crime even if the Polish government denies it as they did wih Auschwitz.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2022 15:49 utc | 16

@13, Russia would simply be following the precedent set in Crimea. What would be the difference?

Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:49 utc | 17

As the Age of Bread & Circuses continues apace, one ‘act’ ends and another begins. We’re done now with the Plague that wasn’t, and on to the War For The Soul of Humanity which will last until the next manufactured plague which appears to be AIDS 2.0. But don’t worry a non-vaccine is already in the works.
And it looks like the ‘truckers’ are planning a convoy in the USA. But as Canadians are much brighter than “Americans” we can count on it not ending well. On the other hand only MASS protests will end the plague that is the Government of the United States, and the Billionaire Class that funds it.
Dear Mr. Putin – go for the head of the snake, and not its rattles in Europe.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 18 2022 15:54 utc | 18

It appears as though the roles have now switched… The Donbas republics and Russia are beginning to claim that the Ukrainians are positioning themselves to imminently attack, as evidenced by the continuous shelling over the past couple of days, and now the evacuation of Donbas civilians (women, children, and elderly first).
Suddenly, the onus is on the Ukraine (and the USA/UK) to prove that this is not the case, which is a perfect counter to the months of the western barrage of accusations that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.
Also, it frees Russia from worrying about inflicting civilian casualties, if and when they retaliate against any Ukrainian incursion into the Donbas – they can then let loose as they please.

Posted by: marsal | Feb 18 2022 15:55 utc | 19

@ Musburger 7
Ukraine (and the US behind the scenes) will never concede to allowing any kind of autonomy to Donetsk and Lugansk.
Driven by Washington, which is a shame because there are 17 autonomous communities in Europe seen here. It ain’t no big deal. A total of 121 autonomous regions in 40 countries also seen here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:02 utc | 20

@ Musburger 17
Russia would simply be following the precedent set in Crimea. What would be the difference?
Crimea has an important naval base and can be defended. Donbas has neither, it’s simply a rump area with nasty coal mines.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 21

Machinetranslation:
Civilians are displacing in Russia, only the militias remain to face a Ukronazi army, an overwhelming army that could be right of the separatist militias that given the impossibility of resisting retreat opening substantial gates and allowing the Ukronazi army to advance for many kilometers, After the fish have entered the net, the Russians and the militias will just hoist it. Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 15:36 utc | 11
Thank you for your comment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 22

Machinetranslation:
Civilians are displacing in Russia, only the militias remain to face a Ukronazi army, an overwhelming army that could be right of the separatist militias that given the impossibility of resisting retreat opening substantial gates and allowing the Ukronazi army to advance for many kilometers, After the fish have entered the net, the Russians and the militias will just hoist it. Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 15:36 utc | 11
Thank you for your comment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 23

@Musburger
You got it.

Posted by: elmagnosr | Feb 18 2022 16:17 utc | 24

Putin asking Zelensky to get around a table and talk with the leaders of Donetsk and Lugansk.
“Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that Ukraine must begin talks with the two breakaway regions in the country’s war-torn east to put an end to fierce fighting that has escalated in recent days.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/549880-putin-ukraine-stop-war-negotiations/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 18 2022 16:19 utc | 25

Interesting read by Engdahl

In North America the Canadian government of Justin Trudeau, now subject to a massive popular revolt against his severe vaccine mandates and other measures, is riddled with Davos agents. Trudeau himself is a Davos WEF Agenda Contributor and frequent speaker at Davos.
Schwab introduced Trudeau in 2016 stating, “I couldn’t imagine anyone who could represent more the world that will come out of the Fourth Industrial Revolution.”
The key COVID actor for Trudeau is Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland who is on the WEF Board of Trustees, and leads Trudeau’s COVID response. Other WEF agents in Ottawa are Foreign Minister, Mélanie Joly (WEF 2016), Family Minister Karina Gould (WEF 2020).

Davos and the Purloined Letter Conspiracy

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 26

Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 18 2022 15:16 utc | 4
I appreciate your updates from Latin America, I think Chinese and Russian moves there are part of the “military & technical means” being employed.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 27

RE Bemildred #22 & 23, what I did there is push the Enter key instead of clicking on Post, when not in the edit box, that is how it happens.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:25 utc | 28

Bemildred #23
Thank you for the translation and thanks to Alessandro.
That seems a likely scenario. I doubt that Azov battalion will be there as they are more likely to sacrifice merceneries first.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2022 16:26 utc | 29

@Musburger #17:

Russia would simply be following the precedent set in Crimea.

The precedent wasn’t set in Crimea. It was set in Kosovo. By the way, no referendum was held there: the decision to secede from Serbia was made by the 120-strong Assembly of Kosovo. See International recognition of Kosovo at Wikipedia for a list of countries that have recognized that.

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 16:27 utc | 30

. . . from Maduza (quote)
The Russian Foreign Ministry’s response to Washington’s security proposals, in a nutshell
On Thursday, February 17, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a written response to Washington’s counter-proposals on security guarantees in Europe. Unlike the response Moscow received from the U.S. and NATO earlier this month, which wasn’t officially made public (though the full text was leaked to Spanish newspaper El Pais), the Russian Foreign Ministry published its 10-page commentary in full. Here’s what it says, in a nutshell.
The United States didn’t give a constructive response to key issues, including halting NATO enlargement, guarantees that Ukraine won’t join the alliance, and rolling back the bloc’s infrastructure to its 1997 lines. The response ignored the fact that the Russian proposals are a package, deliberately choosing “convenient” topics and then “twisting” them to create advantages for the U.S. and its allies. ” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:29 utc | 31

That seems a likely scenario. I doubt that Azov battalion will be there as they are more likely to sacrifice merceneries first.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2022 16:26 utc | 29
Yes, thank you, it’s been clear for a while (long while) the Russians like kettles. Really simplifies the job. I notice the Houthis do too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:30 utc | 32

Will the Ukronazis and foreign mercenaries enter Donbas
and will it be their last stand?
Even if no Russian troops enter the fray the US will
claim that they did.

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 16:32 utc | 33

The product life cycle of the apartheid khazar khanate in Palestine is over, Ukraine conflict is all about setting up a new khanate IN a broken up Ukraine fully supported the Russian emigre khazars aka US Deep State ie schiffs, etc of NY. Cookie monster torya had even sent saakashvilli to Odessa to be its new mayor for the khazars. But Putin beat the synagogue of satan to the punch and took over Crimea instead, AND ALL BECAUSE OF THE SPRITUAL POWER OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH OVER THE KABBALAH MOB. The dumb banderas and polish ethnics in Ukraine to this day are unaware of the kapos machinations and plans.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 18 2022 16:41 utc | 34

So, I recognize that the paper has not yet been peer reviewed, and cnn is not exactly credible on many subjects, but Omicron BA.2 looks like it is very infectious (significantly more than plain jane Omicron BA.1), and the severity of infection looks like it could be up there with Delta. We could well be looking at another Covid surge in North America in a month, and the impact on our health care systems could well be catastrophic. Time to relax all those mandates?
Omicron BA.2
The Covid death rates for many countries are decreasing nicely, but it is worrisome that for others the death rates are surging. This may be because of BA.2 kicking in. See Denmark, Hong Kong, South Korea, etc…

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35

@35 Oh no! If only we had medications to treat early infections and targeted strategies to protect the most vulnerable…..
Anyway, we can’t have that Pfizer stock dropping or expect petty bureaucrat tyrants to relinquish control. The narrative must go on.

Posted by: Krungle | Feb 18 2022 16:55 utc | 36

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35
The most vaccinated countries get the great number of “cases” whatever a case is.
Look at Africa. It have low level of vaccination and there is no problem.
COVID is a mix of panic, PCR test and experimental vaccines.

Posted by: Roberto | Feb 18 2022 16:56 utc | 37

Dmitri Orlov has an interesting take at the Saker
https://thesaker.is/putins-ukrainian-judo-revisited/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 16:58 utc | 38

” Large Explosion Near Govt Building In Donetsk”

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 16:59 utc | 39

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Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:00 utc | 40

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Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:00 utc | 41

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35
What “other countries” are covid death rates surging in?

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 17:01 utc | 42


Patrick Lancaster’s video from the DNR
that oldhippie linked to in his comment #6 has English subtitles (click the “Subtitles” button in the lower right corner of the video) so you can understand what DNR residents are saying. I think it’s important to hear them out—not a single “objective and impartial” Western media outlet would talk to them for some reason.

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 17:02 utc | 43

Anybody have good twitter and/or telegram feeds on the ground in Eastern Ukraine?
I am following Intel Slava and Bellum Actum on Telegram but would appreciate more links if you got em.

Posted by: wj | Feb 18 2022 17:11 utc | 44

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 17:01 utc | 42
Japan, Turkey, Chile, Singapore appear to have surging covid death rates, based on today’s Worldometer 7 day trends. There are other countries as well, but maybe not so statistically significant.
I don’t want to be accused of cherry picking data, as the death rates are decreasing nicely in a lot of countries too. And there may be other factors at work as well, such as maybe we are seeing a delayed BA.1 surge.

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:14 utc | 45

From Intel Slava:
The State Department tells RIA Novosti that the US is considering evacuation and explosions in Donbass as a pretext for an operation against Ukraine
Bingo. The “false flag” the US was “warning” us about.

Posted by: wj | Feb 18 2022 17:15 utc | 46

@ Down South | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 26… thanks.. it a worthwhile read…. uncle tungsten shared this link a few days ago on the week in review thread…
regarding canada and the emergencies act… this sets a very bad precedent as i see it and is a type of roll out of the wef agenda, given that both trudea and freeland are on the board, or big role models for the world economic forum…. i find it ironic the truckers being labeled with neo-nazis while crystia freelands grandfathers nazi connections, not to mention freeland and trudeas support for ukraine which has the azoz battalion as an active part of there system, are being fully supported….
as we saw with 9-11, all sorts of new measures were enacted… now we are seeing with the emergency act people who have donated to the truckers are having their bank accounts frozen… to me this is extremely scary…. next step will be for any demonstration for this to happen… meanwhile the cbc is demonizing some man in london with a full article on him – who was the largest financial supporter of the truckers convoy… we are moving in an extremely ugly and dangerous direction in canada and most people seem to be totally fine with it…. i am very saddened by these developments and recommend the article down south links to for more insight into all of this.. thanks..
b – i would really appreciate you chiming in on this… i think it is extremely important..

Posted by: james | Feb 18 2022 17:16 utc | 47

All of you people bemoaning the actions of Trudeau Junior. Have you looked at what is going on in Australia?
It looks as though our dear Lizzie has been at it everywhere.
You will recall how I caught the impostor Blair, with the assistance of Joska Fischer and/or Gerhard Schroeder, at the European Council in Portugal 19 June 2000.
It appears as though the current Governor General of Australia is also a fake, a deliberately defective appointment.
First of all credit to 140, 139, 120 “Happy Russia Invasion Day”
Thank you Rae, Cyberhorse, watcher

Interesting goings on with David Hurley the Australian Governor-General. He appears to have vacated his official residence in Canberra on the 25th of January after having been served with papers by former Senator Rod Cullerton who asserts that the Commonwealth of Australia created under the Constitution in 1901 has been usurped by the Australian Government created by Gough Whitlam in 1973. Cullerton says that Hurley’s appointment is invalid as it has not been officially sealed by Queen Elizabeth II.
Now we have some mysterious government documents which suggest that the Governor of Victoria has taken the place of Hurley.
Posted by: Cyberhorse | Feb 16 2022 23:44 utc | 139

https://constitutionwatch.com.au/has-governor-general-of-australia-his-excellency-general-the-honourable-david-hurley-fled-the-commonwealth-of-australia/
(includes Government Gazette for 27 January 2022)
What does this mean? It means that every action undertaken by Hurley in his capacity as “the Queen’s representative” is ultra vires. That is Latin for “beyond his powers”. Which means they do not count. Absolutely nothing counts in law.
Hurley is a career soldier. He believes in the chain of command and in obeying orders. He swore his allegiance to Queen Elizabeth forty years ago. If she told him to do something “naughty” I’ve little doubt he would comply.
What about his predecessors?
The prior GG was Sir Peter John Cosgrove, AK, CVO, MC
Another military man.
What are the chances that he too was an impostor?
Well, we know that

The Royal Victorian Order (French: Ordre royal de Victoria)[a] is adynastic order of knighthood established in 1896 by Queen Victoria. It recognises distinguished personal service to the monarch of theCommonwealth realms

“Distinguished personal service to the Monarch”. So there is a pretty good chance he was doing the same thing.
And if that is the case, then good old Scott Morison is a fake as well. For when he was sworn in the Governor General was acting ultra vires.
So NOTHING done by Morrison holds up if challenged.
Are you listening Monsieur Macron?
Back to Canada and the budding dictator Trudeau. Has it crossed your minds that Trudeau is doing all of this because he is “known” to be the prime minister of Canada, when in fact he is yet another fake? That whatever he does there will be no blowback on Queen Elizabeth because she can disown him in a court of law?
I do not know if this is true. But given what I know about Malcolm Wall, Sir Anthony Blair and now apparently Sir David Hurley, don’t you think it is worth asking the question?

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 18 2022 17:21 utc | 48

Don Bacon linked an external image of the “kindergarden attack” in the prior thread.
This image shows the hole from the interior:
https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/AATZ0GW.jpeg
There is no evidence of an explosion. A shell exploding against the exterior wall would be expected to send shards of brick and plaster peppering the internal walls.
A shell which penetrates and then explodes would cause significant internal damage. None is visible.
I think you could create this damage if you used a backhoe and smashed its bucket against the wall. You might also create this damage using a C4 breeching charge. Breeching charges are a common military item and are used for “mouseholing,” creating holes in wall structures to allow troops to move between buildings without exposing themselves to fire by advancing along the outside street.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:30 utc | 49

retiredmecheng –
Any updates on the street protests in Ottawa?

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:33 utc | 50

It is obvious: The Empire wants to pick up where it left off after the 2016 elections in the US threw everything into disorder. The “no fly zone” in Syria has become complicated, but resumption of hostilities in the Ukraine shouldn’t be a problem, should it? The crazy “Mighty Wurlitzer” mass media campaign these last few months has been intended to scare the Russians off so they don’t interfere with the Empire’s renewed assault on the republics in eastern Ukraine. The Empire wanted this action to kick off last spring but the Russians cock-blocked them, so this time the Empire has been barking at Russia first to frighten them away.
The reason for the mass exodus of spooks and assets from Kiev and eastern Ukraine is also obvious. The Russians made clear that they wouldn’t just target the canon fodder if a conflict broke out and would instead go after the command and control assets. These assets are running for the (perceived) safety of Lvov (or Lviv as lisping homosexuals pronounce it) because their plans for renewed slaughter in the Donbass have been put into motion and soon the Russians will be looking for the string-pullers to target.
I wonder if Lvov is far enough away?

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 18 2022 17:36 utc | 51

@47 james … ya welcome to the future. It’s partially because the mounties until now didn’t have it in them to intimidate the truckers like they might have done to other groups of protesters. Partially because a general strike by truckers would actually be quite potent, and it’s imperative for sponsors of the political process across the spectrum to nip it in the bud – before this group of critical workers figures out they have that power. (When I moved to the US as a kid, I found among other things a legacy of strikes by NYC sanitation workers that was respected by the whole city. Once willingness to organize is demonstrated, the dynamic changes dramatically, and the change lasts for a generation or two). Of course the current protesting truckers don’t want to use the “S” word because of conservative leaning politics, which is probably the one thing saving the Trudeau administration.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 18 2022 17:37 utc | 52

There is an open thread at The Saker. He posted this

Dear friends,
The civilians of the LDNR are being evacuated from the towns near the LOC (line of contact).
The Ukies are bombing the LDNR with artillery and mortar fire along the full LOC.
The city of Gorlovka has lost power. The city is under tank fire. The only road between Donetsk and Gorlovka is under Ukronazi fire.
The cities of Dokuchaevsk, Staromikhailovka and Belaia Kamenka are under mortar attack.
It appears that the Ukronazis want to cut through the defenses between Lugansk and Donetsk.
That’s what I just caught myself.

The Ukronazis are on the offensive (OPEN THREAD)

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 17:37 utc | 53

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:33 utc | 50
Thanks for asking! I live in Vancouver (actually Surrey), so I can’t put my finger on the trucker pulse in Ottawa.
However, I did see this article from CNN a few days back, which references 4 different polls conducted in Canada. Now, please forgive me Jesus, for I have linked to CNN twice in the same day…
4 Trucker Polls

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:46 utc | 54

Re: DPR/LPR
Well, looks like the Zelensky government and/or their military, decided to force matters. Foolish, but them’s the orders.
The civilian evacuation in DPR is a very considerate step, hopefully the Ukraine side does the same thing, but they might feel more secure in close proximity to their own civilians for human shields. Settle in for many weeks or months of this like last time.
Benchmark TTF (Dutch/EU) natgas futures remain steady, pretty much centered within the year’s trading range.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 55

The evacuation of Donbass civilians may be because Blinken made some threats about using chemical weapons, but it would be I think, on advice from Russia. I guess Russian intel would have a good understanding of US/UK intentions. Evacuating civilians also allows donbass fighters to retreat right to the Russian border if required – let the world get a good look at who is invading who before wiping them out.
If people in Keiv were smart, they should be getting out of their to because that place is very much part of US/UK Russian invasion plans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 56

james|47

regarding canada and the emergencies act… this sets a very bad precedent

When there are old hippies sitting in a park singing Kumbaya (not blocking traffic or even keeping the neighbors awake) it does not take Canadian police 3 weeks to drag them away. More like 3 hours, and without any need for the Emergencies Act.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 17:55 utc | 57

@Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:09 utc | 2
I introduced you to the OSCE PA @2.
The Chair and Co-chair of the US delegation to the OSCE PA
are dual loyalists. As it turns out, Congress has a commission
“Commission on security and cooperation in Europe”
aka
“U.S. Helsinki Commission”
The same jokers that chair the OSCE PA delegation are the
chair and co-chair of the Helsinki Commission.
On Feb 2, 2022 they held hearings and demonstrated with their words
just how rabid they are.
Here is how Chairman Cardin introduced the hearing:
Introduction to the hearing by Chairman Cardin:

“So today we gather as Europe stands on the precipice of war. The Kremlin has amassed
an enormous array of troops and heavy weaponry at Ukraine’s doorstep, demanding its
submission to restore the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe. The Kremlin’s threat menaces not only Ukraine, our partners in Georgia and the wider region, but also the long-cherished dream and longstanding bipartisan U.S. policy to work towards a Europe whole and free.”

[emphasis mine]
and, not to be outdone co-Chairman Cohen had his turn with rabid rhetoric:

“The very fact that we’re holding this critically important hearing is the unbelievable fact
that we are at the stage of some type of a major possible war in Europe, something that should be left in the Dark Ages and not part of the future of mankind dealing with each other. We are confronted with the possibility of the largest land invasion in Europe since World War II, President Putin amassing over a hundred thousand troops – I guess 170,000, they’re estimating now – and military equipment on the border of Ukraine, a country that’s trying to escape the legacy of Kremlin colonialism.
Putin is threatening the neighboring Ukrainians simply because they dare to pursue a path of democracy, accountable governance, and transatlantic integration. It’s a developing democracy. It’s not perfect, of course, but it’s a developing democracy and can only become a better democracy if allowed to breathe and live and be free. The Kremlin wants to deny that sovereign nation that ability to exercise the will of its people and wants to stop it before it becomes more experienced with democracy and entrenched.
Let me be very clear: The Kremlin’s rhetoric about Ukraine presenting a security threat
to Russia is nothing more than a lie being used to force its own will on an independent European state. It’s almost comical to think that when you bring 170,000 troops and all of the type of military equipment to the borders of a country that you’re saying that that country is a security threat to Russia. It’s absurd.
Moscow fears Ukraine’s success as a budding democracy with its open market of ideas,
vibrant media, and a strong civil society – all things which Russia lacks and that they fear will threaten their own system where they don’t have an open society and where people like Mr. Navalny end up in prison. They don’t have elections; they have prisons. Putin fears a successful Ukrainian experiment will lead the people of Russia to demand that autocrats like Putin leave office, they want transparency, and they want accountability. That’s the only danger Ukraine presents to the corrupt clique of kleptocrats and oligarchs in the Kremlin. They certainly don’t pose a military threat.”

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:58 utc | 58

PeterAU1 @ 56
From Tass

DONETSK, February 18. /TASS/. The People’s Militia (NM) of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) announced on Friday the prevention of two sabotage at dangerous chemical facilities near the city of Gorlovka, undertaken by sabotage groups that infiltrated from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian side.
Sabotage groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) planned to blow up a container of chlorine on the territory of treatment facilities near Gorlovka, two people from their composition were killed when trying to enter the territory of the DPR, reports the NM DPR in its Telegram channel. “In the Gorlovka direction, servicemen of the NM DPR stopped an attempt to penetrate the enemy sabotage group into the territory of the DPR. Along the forest belt near the village of Zheleznaya Balka, our observers revealed the movement of two special purpose groups of VFU (Armed Forces of Ukraine – approx. TASS) in the amount of 10 and 12 people. Our defenders were forced to open fire with on-duty fire. The enemy suffered the losses of at least two militants killed, three wounded and was forced to retreat. According to our intelligence, saboteurs planned to blow up a tank of chlorine on the territory of treatment facilities near the city of Gorlovka,” the statement reads.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13755607/amp

The NM DPR also reported on Friday about a failed attempt by Ukrainian saboteurs to undermine the ammonia storage tank at the Stirol plant in Gorlovka. “According to information received from the DPR MGB today, around 04.00 a.m. in the city of Gorlovka, a group of Ukrainian saboteurs attempted to undermine the ammonia storage tank at the Stirol plant. During the attack, a security guard of the enterprise was wounded, who found a group of saboteurs. He was provided with medical care, there is no threat to life,” reports the NM DPR. Special services are working at the scene, the message reads.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 17:59 utc | 59

Thanks Down South.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 18:04 utc | 60

Qualsiasi cosa dicono o fanno o faranno o non faranno i russi, la colpa sarà sempre loro,
Blocco totale di tutte le esportazioni di gas, petrolio, legname, terre rare,e tutti i commerci con l’occidente, ad Est c’è un mondo, che i servi sciocchi europei comincino a scaldarsi con i fiammiferi.

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 18:07 utc | 61

Tweet from Pepe

Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
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VERY serious.
Donetsk is organizing a mass evacuation of civilians to Rostov in Russia.
Starts TODAY.
Women, children and the elderly first.
“Temporary”, and “will save the life and health of you and your loved ones.”
They’re expecting a 404 blitzkrieg against Donbass.

Explains why everyone fled Kiev in the last few days.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:09 utc | 62

Updates on the takedown of the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa:
(These are all reporters.)
From Twitter feed of Annie-Bergeron Oliver…At Nicholas- Police have started towing vehicles. Many of the tow truck drivers wearing full face coverings and the logos on the tow trucks have been covered. Dozens of police and vehicles plus ambulance and drone flying overhead.
Per Mackenzie Gray – Police continue to live on Rideau and Sussex. Cops have rubber bullets, tear gas and pepper spray. Over a loudspeaker, “You must leave, you will be arrested, leave north on Sussex”
Nice overhead photo from Pascal Robidas
https://twitter.com/pascalrobidas/status/1494722733367869451?s=20&t=uw2mEKfqHm1aGY8FJmsdjQ
Organizer Pat King just arrested. He Live-streamed it on Facebook
Per Evan Solomon – Massive police presence coming up Colonel by Rideau Sector. Heavy tactical truck at Convention Centre
Per Sean O’Shea – shirtless dancing dude in front of riot police (from Quebec I think the police not the dude) Riot squad out at Chateau Laurier – SQ officers advanced up Rideau to Mackenzie Ave
Per Ashley Burke at Rideau Centre – arrests, horses, a sonic cannon (not in use yet)
Multiple embassies and Dept of National Defence telling employees not to come to work today. Sitting of House of Commons and Senate were closed earlier this am.
I saw footage of snipers, but can’t find the post to see where they are.
Last word to the Beaverton:
“Jailed Ottawa protesters offer to co-run prison with warden”
https://twitter.com/TheBeaverton/status/1494727032852336645?s=20&t=Tw9yHuXCrh25SWe-JkZlfQ

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 18 2022 18:11 utc | 63

@Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:58 utc | 58
The transcript to the Helsinki Commission hearing (Feb 2, 2022)
can be found here:
https://www.csce.gov/sites/helsinkicommission.house.gov/files/unofficial-transcript/0202%20TRANSCRIPT%20Russia%27s%20Assault%20on%20Ukraine%20Unofficial%20Final.pdf
Note how fixed the “hearing” was. Fiona Hill of Ukrainegate fame and
currently of Brookings was one of the three witnesses.

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 18:12 utc | 64

I’m hoping this EMA in Canada is just smoke and mirrors. The vote isn’t until Monday and the protest on parliament may be largely cleared by then thus reducing the need for an emergency.
Maybe instead of letting gov topple with a possible vote Trudeau withdraws it last minute or lets it get defeated in the courts before hand and “strongly disagrees with the decision”.
This could all be a ruse to put extra pressure on the protest movement by freezing accounts etc. and bitch slapping the damn deplorables on his way out of the pandemic which he doesn’t want to end.
This is hope.
@ James
b has obviously been noticeably absent on the topic of covid tyranny instead focusing on the disease itself. I called him on it before but came to the realization that b himself is only one person and has a right to ignore the subject however frustrating that may be. It’s like asking for the teachers opinion lol and there are other sites that we could probably discuss such things but I believe we value this one more. Like asking a priest to discuss his favourite porn star.
@id
Hang in there buddy. At least we’ll be able to go into a bar soon enough and get drunk like…..normal people even if it’s with the spare change we get from begging in front of it.
I have hope and im currently writing an email to my member. Hope man hope. Hope harder!

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 18 2022 18:13 utc | 65

Putin doesn’t seem to believe the bullshit about the US/UK propaganda blitz being purely for Biden and Dem’s domestic purposes either.

://tass.com/politics/1406157
“Sanctions will be imposed in any case. Whether they have a reason today, for example, in connection with the events in Ukraine, or there is no such reason – it will be found, because the goal is different, in this case the goal is to slow down the development of Russia and Belarus,” the Russian leader said.
“With this aim, there will always be a reason to introduce certain illegitimate restrictions, and this is nothing more than unfair competition,” the Russian leader added.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 18:17 utc | 66

@retiredmecheng #54:

4 Trucker Polls

These polls are meaningless. The Canadian media and its totalitarian little helpers among the citizenry are spreading lies about the protesters; it is no wonder then that the misinformed citizenry would think poorly of the protesters. After all, aren’t they all “terrorists” and “white supremacists”? That’s what I’ve heard!
Here’s a Freedom Convoy YouTube livestream, by the way:
Freedom Convoy 2022 | Friday morning Feb 18 trying to get downtown!!!
All I’m seeing are lots of Canadian flags, one “Fuck Trudeau” flag and one Gadsden (“Don’t Tread On Me”) flag.

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:19 utc | 67

@librul #41
A couple of suggestions:
1) Links which are 2 tier – i.e. have a “:” with a web site on either side of it – will not post correctly. But it seems slapping those links as is can work. Google is the main culprit that I’ve seen with its efforts to host 3rd party pages on its network.
2) Remove all extraneous tracking crap from the link. Basically anything following the “?” symbol (plus the ? symbol).
Also, there is a problem with iPhones/safari – the ” symbol on iPhones is not the correct html symbol. You have to cut and paste from the MoA html examples above to get the link to post correctly – a huge pain in the rump but no fault of MoA.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2022 18:20 utc | 68

The logic of moving Donbass civilians away from the potential conflict zones is sound. This allows employment of stand-off weapons in support of the defence of the territory without messy complications should the advancing Ukie battalions inhabit towns and cities. It also reduces the optics of the “invasion” as presumedly the Russian military would have no need to cross the border. The UNSC meeting yesterday featured all sides agreeing on the primacy of diplomacy and realization of the Minsk Accords – about to be fully repudiated by the Ukraine side itself with, presumedly, the active encouragement of the US and lackeys.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 18 2022 18:20 utc | 69

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:14 utc | 45
Infections with omicron peaked last weekend. Turkey has lagged behind Europe in that way, so that may be one reason for the increase in deaths. In additionthere was a snow storm in much of Turkey closing schools, people saying home, etc Jan. 15-21, so cases dropped and increased afterwards. This may explain the increase in deaths recently over the past seven days.
I do not know about the other countries you mention, but I live in Turkey and get the news about such things.
Deaths and infections should decline here in Turkey in the next while with delta declining as well as omicron infections. Schools are still open, people still wear masks in shops, banks, public buildings that tend to have crowded conditions, but those mandates will soon to be dropped apparently. I suspect by mid-March.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 18:21 utc | 70

So far I have considered the Russian invasion stories a hoax. Now I believe the war will start on Monday. Donetsk and Lugansk have started evacuating civilians to Russia.
The Russian attack or counter attack, if it comes will encircle Kharkov. Maybe the aim is Poltava and the Dnieper. Russia has concentrated a large number of tanks and tracked artillery on the border opposite Kharkov. The tanks are offloaded from trains at the railway station in Tomarovka, a small town northwest of Belgorod and some 27 km from the border.
I have seen videos of almost a 100 tanks coming from the railway station and turning west on the road to Poltava. This latest batch has 28 T-80s.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 18 2022 18:26 utc | 71

S | 67
The kid-gloves treatment this Clownvoy is getting is amazing, compared to the usual Police treatment of anti-war, environmental or native rights protesters.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 18:26 utc | 72

Ryan Alford, a professor of law at Lakehead University in Ontario:
Trudeau’s Power Grab Is Unconstitutional (Newsweek, Ryan Alford, February 15, 2022)


First, the Emergencies Act specifies that only certain types of threats to public order can authorize emergency powers—which is why an order issued by the Governor General on Tuesday made the shocking allegation that the Freedom Convoy’s activities are “directed toward or in support” of terrorism.
It’s an astonishing claim for those who have been following the protests both in Canada’s capital and at border crossings closely. There is not a single violent incident that could possibly support a legally sufficient argument that the protests have been in support of or connected with terrorism.
Second, the new Emergencies Act required a “national emergency” to be invoked, something so serious that it cannot be resolved by means of any other law or combination of laws. And yet, the two most significant challenges to the government—the blockades of the Ambassador Bridge (from Windsor to Detroit) and the crossing from Sweetgrass, Montana to Coutts, Alberta—were both resolved peacefully, and without a single act of violence on the part of either the protesters or the police. At the end of the Coutts blockade, the demonstrators lined up to shake hands with law enforcement (the same ritual that ends every hockey game). Only the protest in Ottawa remains, and evidence of terrorism, at least outside of the realm of mind-reading, remains rather thin. Moreover, Trudeau has refused to even meet with the truckers.
All of this means that Trudeau has failed to meet the requirements for invoking the Emergencies Act. His doing so is clearly unconstitutional.
Trudeau has repeatedly said in the media that the Freedom Convoy is an illegal protest. It is not. In multiple hearings on applications for injunctions, many related to noise complaints, the courts in the national capital have acknowledged that the fundamental freedoms of speech and assembly are constitutional in nature. For that reason, municipal by-laws that relate to noise and the use of public parks can only be enforced against those exercising those freedoms if they constitute a reasonable limitation on these constitutional rights in the circumstances.
Rather than allowing the courts, the provincial authorities, and the police continue to take a considered and balanced approach to legal and constitutionally protected activity, Justin Trudeau has chosen to fan the flames of division.
Pierre Trudeau’s actions in 1970 created deep and longstanding divisions within the Canadian public, some of which persist 52 years later. What his son is now doing is perhaps even worse. Destroying the fabric that holds the nation together on a far flimsier pretext than even the October Crisis is unconstitutional—and the real threat to Canada’s democracy.

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:28 utc | 73

2) Remove all extraneous tracking crap from the link. Basically anything following the “?” symbol (plus the ? symbol).
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2022 18:20 utc | 68
Yes, plus the ‘?’ symbol. It is a good idea to check the link via preview too. Everything after the ‘?’ is crap. If it doesn’t work that way you should probably look for a different link.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 18:33 utc | 74

Murad Gazdiev
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Ukraine’s separatist province of Donetsk says it is evacuating civilians to Russia (population 2+ million) in anticipation of a Ukrainian military attack.
More than 100,000 Ukrainian troops are concentrated near the front lines, now boosted with NATO weapon supplies

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:34 utc | 75

Looks like Zelensky is about to do a Saakashvili, that is invade Donbas/Donetsk because that is the signal have been been given past weeks that west will back him. And when conflict escalate, as we see now, all blamed are laid upon Russia.
Obviously the false flag claim past weeks by west was a disinformation campaign for Zelensky to start his war against Donbas/Donetsk.

Posted by: Zanon | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 76

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 17:55 utc | 57

When there are old hippies sitting in a park singing Kumbaya (not blocking traffic or even keeping the neighbors awake) it does not take Canadian police 3 weeks to drag them away. More like 3 hours, and without any need for the Emergencies Act.

Unconfirmed reports suggest the Ottawa police service had difficulty in countering the protestors as there were a significant number of police taking sick leave, vacation time, or retirng. This suggests the police were supportive of the truckers and the OPS lacked the ability to conduct any form of enforcement.
The Emergencies Act permits the participation of RCMP and Ontario Provincial Police but it takes time to muster those forces and organize their deployment to Ottawa.
Agree with James @47 that it would be good to hear b’s perspective.
The last time for a similar emergency law implementation was during the Quebec FLQ crisis in the early 1970’s when armed separatists killed a British diplomat.
As a kid at the time I remember travelling into Montreal and coming out of a bookstore and hearing the rat-ta-tat of machine gun fire. All the folks on the sidewalk were looking down the street toward the source of the gunfire. I asked what was happening and was told simply that it was “Machine gun Molly making a withdrawal.” She was an FLQ supporter and the FLQ robbed banks to support its drive for separatism. Despite this level of violence (which has not been seen in the Truckers Protest) there was no declaration of emergency powers until after the diplomat James Cross was taken prisoner and killed by the FLQ.
In my view Trudeau has 1) Scared the population to death with false information on COVID 2) Imposed a series of draconian restrictions (what the Truckers are protsting) and 3) Implemented emergency measures as other G7 nations complained the Canadian example was provoking similar demonstrations in foreign nations.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 77

The link again for @66
https://tass.com/politics/1406157
Looking at Petri Krohn’s comment @71, and what Putin is saying about the forthcoming sanctions makes me think the Ukraine military are now only very temporary residents of this earth.
Blinken’s threat of chemical weapons and saboteurs trying to blow up chemical storages doesn’t help to extend their life span.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 18:37 utc | 78

@c1ue #68:

Links which are 2 tier – i.e. have a “:” with a web site on either side of it – will not post correctly.

Yep. That’s why links from the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine do not work here, for example. To post such links, replace the second occurence of

://

inside the link with

%3A%2F%2F

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:40 utc | 79

The Saker with an assessment of the current situation
Russian options in the LDNR – my personal take

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:42 utc | 80

@66 / 78
Good, they figured it out

Posted by: ptb | Feb 18 2022 18:45 utc | 81

Smoothiex12 take on the current situation
Before Making Conclusions…

Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:46 utc | 82

Posted by: james | Feb 18 2022 17:16 utc | 47
We’ve been saying from the very beginning that the covid situation is an unprecedented assault on basic freedoms and rights but you were so tired of all the ppl obsessed with the mater.
Now you sound a bit more anxious.
Welcome to the club.

Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 18:47 utc | 83

Thanks to all about posting links.
I am pretty sure my link was clean although it is a lengthy url.
Might be that there are more than one level of blocking for me.
1) blocked – period
2) blocked with any link
3) blocked with certain links
4) unblocked – period
Here is the link that I had tried to post earlier:
Didn’t post

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 18:51 utc | 84

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:28 utc | 73
Trudeau has called the “Loyal Opposition” Nazi supporters. When he was challenged on this and asked to issuse an apology for language the Speaker of the HOuse called “inflammatory” he simply walked out.
While labelling both the Truckers and the opposition party as Nazis and Nazi supporters his government has delivered 7 million in military arms to Ukraime despite the fact that such action promotes the conflict.
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2022/02/canada-commits-lethal-weapons-and-ammunition-in-support-of-ukraine.html

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:52 utc | 85

The kid-gloves treatment this Clownvoy is getting is amazing, compared to the usual Police treatment of anti-war, environmental or native rights protesters.
Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 18:26 utc | 72
A lot of people are watching, and most police support the truckers

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 19:02 utc | 86

@DG | Feb 18 2022 18:47 utc | 83

We’ve been saying from the very beginning that the covid situation is an unprecedented assault on basic freedoms and rights but you were so tired of all the ppl obsessed with the mater.

What is happening in Canada is really terrible, and I have full sympathy for the Canadian people and the way they have behaved in face of tyranny, but the above sentence is true. Some of us have maintained from the very beginning what this “covid” situation was all about. Now it is visible to everybody.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:03 utc | 87

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 77
Not to nit pick, but I believe it was Pierre Laporte and minister in the Quebec parliament that was killed, not Cross.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 19:05 utc | 88

@DG #83
Some measures were justified because there was a need to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm healthcare systems. Mandatory vaccinations, however, can not be justified with COVID-19’s low level of mortality. Were it, say, 50%, I would definitely support forced vaccinations, as we’d be talking about survival of the human race. But it’s not. It is mere 0.13% (ranging from 0.01% for 18–29 y.o. to 0.63% for 65–74 y.o. to 3.48% for 85+ y.o.). With such low mortality the decision on whether to take a vaccine must remain with the patient. Of course, I encourage old people to take COVID-19 vaccines because they drastically reduce the probability of dying. But forced vaccinations are simply uncalled for in the present situation.

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 19:12 utc | 89

What is the blow back for Trudeau and his party when all the Covid vaccine side effects
start piling up?
The unvaccinated are to be feared by BigPharma and their enablers.
The unvaccinated constitute a control group for the vaccines.
If and when side effects start piling up in the vaccinated
which aren’t found to the same degree in the control group
then it is lawsuit time.
No control group, no lawsuits.

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 19:17 utc | 90

A good article to send to clueless friends and family:
Lies About Ukraine Conflict Are Standing in the Way of a Peaceful Resolution (Truthout, Ivan Katchanovski, February 16, 2022)

Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 19:21 utc | 91

From RT:
Ukraine says it hasn’t ordered Donbass attack
There are no orders for a military “liberation” of Donbass, the head of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) Alexey Danilov said on Friday, as the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk began evacuating civilians to Russia citing the threat of Ukrainian attack.
“I can tell you there are no orders to liberate our territory by force,” Danilov said.
Kiev is aware that such an operation would result in “great casualties” among civilians, he added, so “our side cannot possibly give such an order.”

If true, there are other authorities making decisions now.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:21 utc | 92

it would be good of Danilov to explain who is shelling the civilians then, if it isnt on orders of the NSDC.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 18 2022 19:30 utc | 93

@Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 56
There are many precedents/examples of your main point. Tactical retreat was a highly effective Soviet M.O. on the ‘Eastern Front’. Whether to extend supply and/or battle lines, draw in opponents, among other benefits of this tactic, many such moves resulted in notorious kill zones, salients, cauldrons, the most famous being Stalingrad. We also witnessed some good examples in 2015.
Evacuating civilians and drawing in the Ukies could result in a nice sized kettle to boil the crazies. I’d be surprised if this wasn’t in the cards from the beginning of this most recent flare up.
The Ukrainians may believe in their own propaganda of a glorious blitzkrieg but ultimately I can’t imagine they are so foolish as to not see the signposts. There are definitely fanatical crazies there for sure but the majority I don’t believe are wantonly suicidal.
If they do actually proceed into the breakaway republics, the consequences can be assured. If I were in the Ukie military I would be seething at my commanders and the ‘West’ in general. Many will surely defy orders and abandon their posts as they did in 2014/15.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 18 2022 19:31 utc | 94

@Norwegian 87
What is happening in Canada is truly terrible. I have the deepest respect for the Canadians who resisted the draconian covid measures and are still resisting. I hope that this is a waking up call for all the ppl who thought that this was about the protection of the public health. It was a charade. Nobody can explain why the governments that wanted to protect the public health did NOTHING to boost the national health systems. On the contrary they did everything to weaken them.
@S 89
The right to not accept a medical procedure that proved to be inadequate and maybe not safe is a fundamental right. I encourage no one to either have it or not. I simply say that mandatory vaccinations with inadequately tested vaccines is a form of fascism and should not be implemented.

Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 19:33 utc | 95

Il comico za, non comanda più alcun che, la mobilitazione di un esercito di oltre 130 000 soldati è un costo che le casse esauste e vuote dell’ucraina non possono sostenere, va bene sparare qualche colpo di tanto in tanto, ma sostenere un assedio è un altro paio di maniche, un assedio che si ritorcerà contro gli assedianti,
Se prima della cura l’ucraina era uno stato fallito dopo la cura sarà uno stato in decomposizione

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 19:36 utc | 96

@DG | Feb 18 2022 19:33 utc | 95

I hope that this is a waking up call for all the ppl who thought that this was about the protection of the public health.

Indeed, to those people: The wakeup call is ringing NOW if you didn’t get the message before. Don’t say you have not been warned.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:38 utc | 97

AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) website
has an opinion piece:
Biden’s Bounty on Your Life: Hospitals’ Incentive Payments for COVID-19
https://aapsonline.org/bidens-bounty-on-your-life-hospitals-incentive-payments-for-covid-19/
This bullet item from the article caught my attention as it affected my wife personally.
“A 20 percent “boost” bonus payment from Medicare on the entire hospital bill for use of remdesivir instead of …”
When my wife was diagnosed with Covid she called one of her doctors. They did a phone session together
which I could hear. He thought out loud about giving her remdesivir. As it was too many days since the
onset of symptoms he decided against it. (I believe that this was a recorded phone session).

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 19:46 utc | 98

Et tu, Bolsonaro?
BRASILIA, Feb 17 (Reuters) – The United States on Thursday criticized Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro’s declaration of “solidarity” with Russia during a visit there this week as it amassed troops near Ukraine’s borders, raising fears it is planning to invade.
“The timing of the president of Brazil expressing solidarity with Russia, just as Russian forces are preparing to launch attacks on Ukrainian cities, could not be worse,” the State Department said.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 18 2022 19:47 utc | 99

Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:38 utc | 97
Well, it took only 2 years from “2 weeks to flatten the curve “ to freezing your bank accounts. Imagine what will happen in the next 2 years

Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 19:48 utc | 100