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February 18, 2022
Open Thread 2022-14
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Where are the OSCE inspectors? Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:05 utc | 1 The OSCE has a Parliamentary Assembly. Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:09 utc | 2 It does not look like Putin will fall into the Kabul trap. If I was Zelenski I would be studying up on Deim. Look for Generals in Kiev around Easter (your choose, Catholic or Orthodox). Posted by: wobblie | Feb 18 2022 15:13 utc | 3 MercoPress: Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro and his Russian colleague Vladimir Putin Wednesday underlined the future importance of the BRICS partnership (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) and called for a more fluent dialogue between the Mercosur and the Eurasian Economic union (EAEU), according to a joint statement released after their meeting in Moscow. Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 18 2022 15:16 utc | 4 Librul (1) Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 18 2022 15:19 utc | 5 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eXNdhPoea20 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 18 2022 15:22 utc | 6 My guess is this could be Putin’s game plan with regard to Ukraine. Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:25 utc | 7 A possible indication of Russian thinking? Posted by: morongobill | Feb 18 2022 15:31 utc | 8 @Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:25 utc | 7
This will regardless be used as “russian invasion” and voila, you have NS2 sanctions in no time. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 15:32 utc | 9 Following up my own #6 and responding to #7. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 18 2022 15:34 utc | 10 I civili stanno sfollando in Russia, restano solo le milizie a far fronte ad un esercito ucronazi, un esercito soverchiante che potrebbe aver ragione delle milizie separatiste che vista l’impossibilità di resistere si ritirano aprendo varchi consistenti e permettendo all’esercito ucronazi di avanzare per molti km, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 15:36 utc | 11 Musburger@7 Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Feb 18 2022 15:38 utc | 12 Ok I get it. The Duma recognizing break away Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk is perfectly legal under international law because Russia is agreement capable? Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 18 2022 15:38 utc | 13 @10. It very well may not play out in the manner I put forth. And even if it does, it doesn’t resolve anything in the big picture. Or maybe it does if such a move puts genuine fear into Europe. But I don’t see how there is going to be any peaceful resolution here. The longer Putin continues to acquiesce to “talks” the worse the situation on the ground becomes and the stronger the anti-Russian propaganda heats up. How would you speculate that this will play out? Nobody knows, but I’d like to hear some theories. Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:39 utc | 14 Tweet with pics of the evacuation buses. Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 18 2022 15:40 utc | 15 If Russian forces retaliate I expect Azov HQ to be destroyed first then major miltary arsenals and finally the front lines. No invasion needed. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2022 15:49 utc | 16 @13, Russia would simply be following the precedent set in Crimea. What would be the difference? Posted by: Musburger | Feb 18 2022 15:49 utc | 17 As the Age of Bread & Circuses continues apace, one ‘act’ ends and another begins. We’re done now with the Plague that wasn’t, and on to the War For The Soul of Humanity which will last until the next manufactured plague which appears to be AIDS 2.0. But don’t worry a non-vaccine is already in the works. Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 18 2022 15:54 utc | 18 It appears as though the roles have now switched… The Donbas republics and Russia are beginning to claim that the Ukrainians are positioning themselves to imminently attack, as evidenced by the continuous shelling over the past couple of days, and now the evacuation of Donbas civilians (women, children, and elderly first). Posted by: marsal | Feb 18 2022 15:55 utc | 19 @ Musburger 7 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:02 utc | 20 @ Musburger 17 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 21 Machinetranslation: Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 22 Machinetranslation: Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:16 utc | 23 Putin asking Zelensky to get around a table and talk with the leaders of Donetsk and Lugansk. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 18 2022 16:19 utc | 25 Interesting read by Engdahl
Davos and the Purloined Letter Conspiracy Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 26 Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 18 2022 15:16 utc | 4 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 27 RE Bemildred #22 & 23, what I did there is push the Enter key instead of clicking on Post, when not in the edit box, that is how it happens. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:25 utc | 28 Bemildred #23 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 18 2022 16:26 utc | 29 @Musburger #17:
The precedent wasn’t set in Crimea. It was set in Kosovo. By the way, no referendum was held there: the decision to secede from Serbia was made by the 120-strong Assembly of Kosovo. See International recognition of Kosovo at Wikipedia for a list of countries that have recognized that. Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 16:27 utc | 30 . . . from Maduza (quote) Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2022 16:29 utc | 31 That seems a likely scenario. I doubt that Azov battalion will be there as they are more likely to sacrifice merceneries first. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 16:30 utc | 32 Will the Ukronazis and foreign mercenaries enter Donbas Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 16:32 utc | 33 The product life cycle of the apartheid khazar khanate in Palestine is over, Ukraine conflict is all about setting up a new khanate IN a broken up Ukraine fully supported the Russian emigre khazars aka US Deep State ie schiffs, etc of NY. Cookie monster torya had even sent saakashvilli to Odessa to be its new mayor for the khazars. But Putin beat the synagogue of satan to the punch and took over Crimea instead, AND ALL BECAUSE OF THE SPRITUAL POWER OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH OVER THE KABBALAH MOB. The dumb banderas and polish ethnics in Ukraine to this day are unaware of the kapos machinations and plans. Posted by: Anon | Feb 18 2022 16:41 utc | 34 So, I recognize that the paper has not yet been peer reviewed, and cnn is not exactly credible on many subjects, but Omicron BA.2 looks like it is very infectious (significantly more than plain jane Omicron BA.1), and the severity of infection looks like it could be up there with Delta. We could well be looking at another Covid surge in North America in a month, and the impact on our health care systems could well be catastrophic. Time to relax all those mandates? Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35 @35 Oh no! If only we had medications to treat early infections and targeted strategies to protect the most vulnerable….. Posted by: Krungle | Feb 18 2022 16:55 utc | 36 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35 Posted by: Roberto | Feb 18 2022 16:56 utc | 37 Dmitri Orlov has an interesting take at the Saker Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 16:58 utc | 38 @Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 16:59 utc | 39 Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:00 utc | 41 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 16:50 utc | 35 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 17:01 utc | 42
Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 17:02 utc | 43 Anybody have good twitter and/or telegram feeds on the ground in Eastern Ukraine? Posted by: wj | Feb 18 2022 17:11 utc | 44 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 17:01 utc | 42 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:14 utc | 45 From Intel Slava: Posted by: wj | Feb 18 2022 17:15 utc | 46 @ Down South | Feb 18 2022 16:22 utc | 26… thanks.. it a worthwhile read…. uncle tungsten shared this link a few days ago on the week in review thread… Posted by: james | Feb 18 2022 17:16 utc | 47 All of you people bemoaning the actions of Trudeau Junior. Have you looked at what is going on in Australia?
https://constitutionwatch.com.au/has-governor-general-of-australia-his-excellency-general-the-honourable-david-hurley-fled-the-commonwealth-of-australia/
“Distinguished personal service to the Monarch”. So there is a pretty good chance he was doing the same thing. Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 18 2022 17:21 utc | 48 Don Bacon linked an external image of the “kindergarden attack” in the prior thread. Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:30 utc | 49 retiredmecheng – Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:33 utc | 50 It is obvious: The Empire wants to pick up where it left off after the 2016 elections in the US threw everything into disorder. The “no fly zone” in Syria has become complicated, but resumption of hostilities in the Ukraine shouldn’t be a problem, should it? The crazy “Mighty Wurlitzer” mass media campaign these last few months has been intended to scare the Russians off so they don’t interfere with the Empire’s renewed assault on the republics in eastern Ukraine. The Empire wanted this action to kick off last spring but the Russians cock-blocked them, so this time the Empire has been barking at Russia first to frighten them away. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 18 2022 17:36 utc | 51 @47 james … ya welcome to the future. It’s partially because the mounties until now didn’t have it in them to intimidate the truckers like they might have done to other groups of protesters. Partially because a general strike by truckers would actually be quite potent, and it’s imperative for sponsors of the political process across the spectrum to nip it in the bud – before this group of critical workers figures out they have that power. (When I moved to the US as a kid, I found among other things a legacy of strikes by NYC sanitation workers that was respected by the whole city. Once willingness to organize is demonstrated, the dynamic changes dramatically, and the change lasts for a generation or two). Of course the current protesting truckers don’t want to use the “S” word because of conservative leaning politics, which is probably the one thing saving the Trudeau administration. Posted by: ptb | Feb 18 2022 17:37 utc | 52 There is an open thread at The Saker. He posted this
The Ukronazis are on the offensive (OPEN THREAD) Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 17:37 utc | 53 Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 17:33 utc | 50 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:46 utc | 54 Re: DPR/LPR Posted by: ptb | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 55 The evacuation of Donbass civilians may be because Blinken made some threats about using chemical weapons, but it would be I think, on advice from Russia. I guess Russian intel would have a good understanding of US/UK intentions. Evacuating civilians also allows donbass fighters to retreat right to the Russian border if required – let the world get a good look at who is invading who before wiping them out. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 56 james|47
When there are old hippies sitting in a park singing Kumbaya (not blocking traffic or even keeping the neighbors awake) it does not take Canadian police 3 weeks to drag them away. More like 3 hours, and without any need for the Emergencies Act. Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 17:55 utc | 57 @Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 15:09 utc | 2
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Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:58 utc | 58 PeterAU1 @ 56
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13755607/amp
Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 17:59 utc | 59 Qualsiasi cosa dicono o fanno o faranno o non faranno i russi, la colpa sarà sempre loro, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 18:07 utc | 61 Tweet from Pepe
Explains why everyone fled Kiev in the last few days. Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:09 utc | 62 Updates on the takedown of the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 18 2022 18:11 utc | 63 @Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 17:58 utc | 58 Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 18:12 utc | 64 I’m hoping this EMA in Canada is just smoke and mirrors. The vote isn’t until Monday and the protest on parliament may be largely cleared by then thus reducing the need for an emergency. Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 18 2022 18:13 utc | 65 Putin doesn’t seem to believe the bullshit about the US/UK propaganda blitz being purely for Biden and Dem’s domestic purposes either.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 18:17 utc | 66 @retiredmecheng #54:
These polls are meaningless. The Canadian media and its totalitarian little helpers among the citizenry are spreading lies about the protesters; it is no wonder then that the misinformed citizenry would think poorly of the protesters. After all, aren’t they all “terrorists” and “white supremacists”? That’s what I’ve heard! Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:19 utc | 67 @librul #41 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 18 2022 18:20 utc | 68 The logic of moving Donbass civilians away from the potential conflict zones is sound. This allows employment of stand-off weapons in support of the defence of the territory without messy complications should the advancing Ukie battalions inhabit towns and cities. It also reduces the optics of the “invasion” as presumedly the Russian military would have no need to cross the border. The UNSC meeting yesterday featured all sides agreeing on the primacy of diplomacy and realization of the Minsk Accords – about to be fully repudiated by the Ukraine side itself with, presumedly, the active encouragement of the US and lackeys. Posted by: jayc | Feb 18 2022 18:20 utc | 69 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 18 2022 17:14 utc | 45 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 18:21 utc | 70 So far I have considered the Russian invasion stories a hoax. Now I believe the war will start on Monday. Donetsk and Lugansk have started evacuating civilians to Russia. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 18 2022 18:26 utc | 71 S | 67 Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 18:26 utc | 72 Ryan Alford, a professor of law at Lakehead University in Ontario:
Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:28 utc | 73 2) Remove all extraneous tracking crap from the link. Basically anything following the “?” symbol (plus the ? symbol). Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 18 2022 18:33 utc | 74 Murad Gazdiev Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:34 utc | 75 Looks like Zelensky is about to do a Saakashvili, that is invade Donbas/Donetsk because that is the signal have been been given past weeks that west will back him. And when conflict escalate, as we see now, all blamed are laid upon Russia. Posted by: Zanon | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 76 Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 18 2022 17:55 utc | 57
Unconfirmed reports suggest the Ottawa police service had difficulty in countering the protestors as there were a significant number of police taking sick leave, vacation time, or retirng. This suggests the police were supportive of the truckers and the OPS lacked the ability to conduct any form of enforcement. Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 77 The link again for @66 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 18:37 utc | 78 @c1ue #68:
Yep. That’s why links from the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine do not work here, for example. To post such links, replace the second occurence of :// inside the link with %3A%2F%2F Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:40 utc | 79 The Saker with an assessment of the current situation Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:42 utc | 80 Smoothiex12 take on the current situation Posted by: Down South | Feb 18 2022 18:46 utc | 82 Posted by: james | Feb 18 2022 17:16 utc | 47 Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 18:47 utc | 83 Thanks to all about posting links. Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 18:51 utc | 84 Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 18:28 utc | 73 Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:52 utc | 85 The kid-gloves treatment this Clownvoy is getting is amazing, compared to the usual Police treatment of anti-war, environmental or native rights protesters. Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 19:02 utc | 86 @DG | Feb 18 2022 18:47 utc | 83
What is happening in Canada is really terrible, and I have full sympathy for the Canadian people and the way they have behaved in face of tyranny, but the above sentence is true. Some of us have maintained from the very beginning what this “covid” situation was all about. Now it is visible to everybody. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:03 utc | 87 Posted by: Sushi | Feb 18 2022 18:35 utc | 77 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 18 2022 19:05 utc | 88 @DG #83 Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 19:12 utc | 89 What is the blow back for Trudeau and his party when all the Covid vaccine side effects Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 19:17 utc | 90 A good article to send to clueless friends and family: Posted by: S | Feb 18 2022 19:21 utc | 91 From RT: Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:21 utc | 92 it would be good of Danilov to explain who is shelling the civilians then, if it isnt on orders of the NSDC. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 18 2022 19:30 utc | 93 @Peter AU1 | Feb 18 2022 17:48 utc | 56 Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 18 2022 19:31 utc | 94 @Norwegian 87 Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 19:33 utc | 95 Il comico za, non comanda più alcun che, la mobilitazione di un esercito di oltre 130 000 soldati è un costo che le casse esauste e vuote dell’ucraina non possono sostenere, va bene sparare qualche colpo di tanto in tanto, ma sostenere un assedio è un altro paio di maniche, un assedio che si ritorcerà contro gli assedianti, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Feb 18 2022 19:36 utc | 96 @DG | Feb 18 2022 19:33 utc | 95
Indeed, to those people: The wakeup call is ringing NOW if you didn’t get the message before. Don’t say you have not been warned. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:38 utc | 97 AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) website Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2022 19:46 utc | 98 Et tu, Bolsonaro? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 18 2022 19:47 utc | 99 Norwegian | Feb 18 2022 19:38 utc | 97 Posted by: DG | Feb 18 2022 19:48 utc | 100 |
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