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February 9, 2022
Open Thread 2022-12
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@ 300 William Gruff, Sorry, I’ll only take one bite and no more. Anyone who wants to chime in can take a look at the photos compiled there @297 and voice their perspective. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 17:30 utc | 301 @ juliania | Feb 11 2022 5:31 utc | 256… thanks juliania… i have never read any victor hugo, but that is really good writing….. Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 17:34 utc | 302 This was in a Turkish news site article on the defence ministers meeting.
Does anyone know where to find transcripts of Shoygu’s speeches? I cannot find a section for them at the ministry of defense site nor the foreign ministry site. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 17:34 utc | 303 @ Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 16:57 utc | 297… hard to know what that collection of clips is about…. as you are probably aware, splicing and dicing footage is a very effective tool of the empire…. perhaps you saw the clip posted in uk media yesterday that showed truss alone at the podium – supposedly lavrov deserting her…. a wide lense frame shows lavrov holding the door open for her as the talk was finished…. the msm cheats regularly to push an agenda…. so, it is hard to know what the collection of photos you have shared are about, but it is definitely pushing an agenda…i personally am not buying it… cheers. Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 17:37 utc | 304 @300 WG asks “Just curious; would I be a genocidal Nazi homophobe terrorist if I said “Fuck Trudeau!”?” Posted by: dh | Feb 11 2022 17:42 utc | 305 psychohistorian @296 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:44 utc | 306 @Bruised Northerner #297 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 17:45 utc | 307 dh @305: “…you might be accused of excessive use of the ‘F’ word.” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 18:00 utc | 308 Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 17:04 utc | 299 Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Feb 11 2022 18:19 utc | 309 @librul#274…my original covid, just being very sick, 21 days, and another month to recuperate. Sounds like your wife may have covid, not a variant. From what I’ve read, none of the varients are worse than cv19. Most being milder, which follows basic viral pathology…well it used to. With so much new science being mandated it’s hard to keep up with all the really amazing changes….like herd immunity only being achieved by a needle….from apes to humans over million of years and we need needles to survive…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 18:32 utc | 310 China is a freakish backwards nation Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Feb 11 2022 18:32 utc | 311 @ William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:44 utc | 306 who wrote about triggered Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 18:36 utc | 312 Comments posted here about recent events in Ottawa and Wellington only show that none here are paying attention. If the only information you have is what legacy media present be assured that everything you know is false. That is what information operations are supposed to achieve. On this page it is plain the info ops have succeeded. Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 18:41 utc | 313 I suggest that Mr Putin should address the great people of Germany explaining that it is and has been Russias intent to work together for mutual benefit, but that he cannot do it alone, but awaits and will respect their choices on the matter. He would only ask that it would be the choice of the people via its elected leaders, not to result of coercion by a third party pursue other interests. Posted by: jared | Feb 11 2022 18:48 utc | 314 trying to follow people’s conversations on this site is so very annoying. I have to scroll from page to page back and forth up and down. Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 18:58 utc | 315 Updates in no particular order, but point to a clusterfuck coming up. Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 11 2022 18:59 utc | 316 @308 Yes indeed. It has become the expletive of choice nowadays. Impossible to avoid. One wonders if it hasn’t somehow lost its ability to shock. Posted by: dh | Feb 11 2022 18:59 utc | 317 Peter AU1 @303– My comment at 313 was to Old hippy at 287 Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 19:21 utc | 319 I don’t actually believe that scenario. Rather, I ascribe to the scenario where the seeding of the virus in China was a colossally bad idea by a small clique in the oligarchy of incompetent and “diverse” phuquetards with enormously overinflated opinions of themselves. In this scenario the production of the vaccines was a genuine, if incompetent, effort to limit the damage that the rogue spooks had unintentionally inflicted on the empire itself. Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 19:55 utc | 320 Freedom Convoy in action this afternoon. One minute video clip — warning – for those with sensitivities, this is from a mainstream news reporter’s Twitter account. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 20:11 utc | 322 karlof1 318 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 20:20 utc | 323 karlof1, I must have hit a wrong key because that posted unexpectedly. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 20:30 utc | 324 Tucker Carlson had an interesting segment on protests in Canada and it effects across the border Posted by: Down South | Feb 11 2022 20:36 utc | 325 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 17:34 utc | 303 Posted by: Paco | Feb 11 2022 20:42 utc | 326 Bruised Northerner 322
Not the average worker or small business owner. Would be interesting to know if any of his self written bio is true and if that was just a pre-arranged stunt for the media. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 20:45 utc | 327 Gruff @298 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 11 2022 20:48 utc | 328 @Karlof @Peter AU1 Posted by: Paco | Feb 11 2022 20:51 utc | 329 Thnks Paco. I had found it and read through the printout with the link karlof1 provided. Your take on the tone of the meeting according to what is in the printout looks to be similar to mine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 20:51 utc | 330 Bruised Northerner 322 Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 21:23 utc | 331 An interesting show this morning on RNZ. Posted by: tucenz | Feb 11 2022 21:33 utc | 332 Paco, I had not noticed the picture. In his opening address, Shoigu said he had read some of Wallace’s statements in the press. I guess Shoigu had also looked a little deeper as well. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2022 21:33 utc | 333 rjb1.5 various posts Posted by: K | Feb 11 2022 22:18 utc | 334 I’m getting a lot of freaked out about Ukraine. A friend from there told me the last opposition TV channel was shut down last night in Ukraine. Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 11 2022 22:21 utc | 335 Thanks again to Paul, and also James – Hugo of course wrote “Les Miserables”, and it is a long novel, so – I was almost going to say you have to have your ‘wellingtons’ on to go through it. (Of course, for kiwis, gumboots would be the issue.) It is sort of a French “War and Peace”, and I’ve found interesting this second read, having before skipped through much of the historical/philosophical bits (as I did my first read in high school of the Tolstoi.) Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 22:50 utc | 336 lex talionis @335– an interesting and rare comment coming from a Canadian Soldier speaking out in support of the truckers Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 23:11 utc | 338 @ ld | Feb 11 2022 18:58 utc | 315… others have brought up this with b, but it seems the format doesn’t allow to change this or i think b would have changed it… Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 23:25 utc | 339 Does anyone here have a cogent reason why a Vax that doesn’t stop infection and only up side “I wont get as sick” can easily be explained using demographics, should be mandatory? Serious? I’m really struggling w the disconnect here. Help please. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 11 2022 23:56 utc | 340 Gruff. there is no evidence. The swastikas’ I have seen were to demonstrate how someone felt about how JT was treating them rather than a personal like for Nazi’s. (I dont expect the pearl cluchers to grasp this) Three weeks and 1 brand new confederate flag unfurled right in front of JT’s personal photographer. Ya that’s legit. any one repeating JT’s talking points is a closeted fascist far as I’m concerned. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2022 0:06 utc | 341 @ Tannenhouser | Feb 11 2022 23:56 utc | 340… there is no rational explanation for this, other then some have adopted the official narrative, no matter how fractured it is 2 years in.. i agree with your conclusion at 341 as well.. Posted by: james | Feb 12 2022 0:31 utc | 342 @337 karlof1 – Good question. Pride goeth before a fall. They are so full of themselves and show so little respect to the rest of the world. The West deserves whatever is coming it’s way, unfortunately. Hopefully, it’s just for domestic consumption. They don’t realize that Russia and Belarus kinda see it in a different light. Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 12 2022 0:38 utc | 343 Thanks James. The whole Alice in wonderland scene where the Queen expects Alice to believe impossible things then decrees that she believes many impossible thing before noon, and so should Alice, comes to mind. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2022 0:41 utc | 344 Thanks Lex, Im aware why its happening isn’t for the stated reason. The ptb reasons don’t count in regards to my question. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2022 0:47 utc | 345 Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 18:58 utc | 315 Posted by: suzan | Feb 12 2022 1:23 utc | 346 Suzan 346 Posted by: ld | Feb 12 2022 1:39 utc | 347 Just saw this from Dr John Cambell. Hard data for myocarditis is in from Israel and reviewed in JAMA Posted by: ld | Feb 12 2022 1:43 utc | 348 News from Australia. Here is part of a recent email from a friend Posted by: Paul | Feb 12 2022 1:55 utc | 349 Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 22:50 utc | 336 Posted by: Paul | Feb 12 2022 2:14 utc | 350 All 6 of the top oil indices are now over $90; WTI is $93.x and Brent is $94.x – and this is after the Texas freeze possibility has ended. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2022 3:22 utc | 351 c1ue | 351 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 12 2022 3:38 utc | 352 Tracking Tweets )iknow( over the last 10-12 hours Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 12 2022 3:41 utc | 353 So now it’s Biden’s turn. I am having a pretty hard time processing this. What kind of straight talk may one expect from this conversation? Pieces are moving into place. The scene is set. There will not be enough time to “grab the popcorn”. It will be too real. Reminds me of an old song I have on an 80s mixtape -“if there’s nobody left to flash two fingers, how will we know we’ve won?” Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Feb 12 2022 3:47 utc | 354 Meanwhile a discussion with Michael Roberts on the inexorable rise of China vs usa with a range of economic graphs to illustrate the various points. Here at Geopolitical Economy. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2022 3:54 utc | 355 @ Tannenhouser 344 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2022 4:09 utc | 357 @don bacon.. look at bc hospital records 2015 – 2021 to see how the icu rates remained the same over this period, thanks to someone asking for the information… Posted by: james | Feb 12 2022 4:30 utc | 358 Macron refused Russian COVID test in Putin trip over DNA theft fears
“There is no politics in this, it does not interfere with negotiations in any way,” he said. Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 12 2022 5:39 utc | 359 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2022 0:41 utc | 344 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 12 2022 6:33 utc | 360 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2022 4:09 utc | 357 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 12 2022 6:44 utc | 361 George Soros addresses the Hoover Institution on China.
Strong drink is useful. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2022 7:12 utc | 362 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 12 2022 5:39 utc | 359 Posted by: nudge | Feb 12 2022 7:25 utc | 363 @rjb1.5 | Feb 9 2022 23:22 utc | 66
What the hell are you afraid of to say stupid shit like this? You are trying to stir the pot and associate the worst kind of lies with criticism against other lies. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 12 2022 7:49 utc | 364 @Circe | Feb 9 2022 23:45 utc | 75
I have often disagreed with you in the past, but I don’t hesitate to agree with you here. We are looking at a crime. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 12 2022 7:53 utc | 365 Oh my dog! Just idly watched Australian Channel Seven news. They are now evidentially-challenged claiming that RUSSIA now has 130,000 troops muscled up to the 404 border. Posted by: Ant. | Feb 12 2022 8:23 utc | 366 ld@313 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 12 2022 8:33 utc | 367 oldhippie 367 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 8:41 utc | 368 Australian protests gather momentum in Canberra: Posted by: Paul | Feb 12 2022 9:03 utc | 369 We all saw the furious claims that Iraq had WMD’s, nuclear, chemical and biological, in order to justify an illegal invasion. Unsupported by the the UNSC (look up the Nuremberg Principles of War). Posted by: Ant. | Feb 12 2022 9:06 utc | 370 President Biden and his aides claim Russia will attack on Wednesday, February 16 or February 20 at the latest, “The Politico” wrote yesterday. Posted by: Mikkado | Feb 12 2022 9:37 utc | 371 Just so. The war-drums are pounding, and it’s all from US/UK and their sycophants in Can/Aus. Posted by: Ant. | Feb 12 2022 9:43 utc | 372 The Putin Biden phone call is on now or finished. A lot of countries now telling their nationals to get out of Ukraine. Makes me think the phone call which US asked is about US giving Russia a final ultimatum before they pull whatever shit they are going to do in Ukraine. Also something in the news earlier about US pulling people out of their embassy in Kiev, some to be pulled out of the country, a few to move further west. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 10:22 utc | 373 Macron’s DNA. Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 12 2022 10:27 utc | 374 Poroshenko’s twitter account. https://twitter.com/Poroshenko Looking at that, plus the US backing since he returned to Ukraine, he may well be the chosen one to take over from a deceased comedian in the not too distant future. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 10:52 utc | 375 This article in Financial times looks to cover much of what I have picked up on including Russia cutting back it Ukraine embassy staff. https://www.ft.com/content/214559c2-c5f1-414e-a6f3-8d8fbea9ec30 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 11:46 utc | 376 Tass finally reporting on what Zakharova said. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 11:55 utc | 377 Ontario’s PM Doug Ford is declaring a state of emergency for the trucker road blockade in Ottawa since January 22 (so after 20 days). In New Delhi road blockade protests were left going for 101 days in the case of CAA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh_protest and about one 365 days in the case pf farmers protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Indian_farmers'_protest Posted by: Antonym | Feb 12 2022 11:59 utc | 378 RIP Luc Montagnier: “I’m outraged by the fact, that we want to vaccinate children…” Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2022 12:17 utc | 379 Could be that the long table parade was payback for the EU refusal to approve Russian vaccines. Posted by: Lurk | Feb 12 2022 12:28 utc | 380 Some historic Indian view points: Posted by: Antonym | Feb 12 2022 12:28 utc | 381 Time for the next pandemic. Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2022 12:49 utc | 382 Blocked for posting: RIP Luc Montagnier: “I’m outraged by the fact, that we want to vaccinate children…” Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2022 12:50 utc | 383 Lurk 380 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 13:01 utc | 384 The Biden Putin phoe meeting does not seem to have occurred as yet, but the Linken Lavrov call has. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 13:48 utc | 385 The piano playing comedian is somewhat confused.
I think he should be wondering why US ensured chocolate man would not be prosecuted when he returned to Ukraine. He is like a sacrificial goat bleating because he is somewhat confused about the proceedings. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 14:09 utc | 386 @librul#382 no new disease, it’s HIV, most people being diagnosed with it are boosted. I would politely suggest Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 12 2022 14:24 utc | 387 *Warning: links to mainstream journalism* Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 12 2022 14:30 utc | 388 Re @388 wrong Trudeau clip argh Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 12 2022 14:35 utc | 389 @Don Bacon #357 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2022 14:44 utc | 390 @Antonym #381 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2022 14:54 utc | 391 Shoplifting is out of control Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2022 15:15 utc | 392 Another Ukrainian TV channel—Nash TV channel owned by Evgeniy Muraev—has been banned by Zelenskiy’s decree yesterday. The word “nash” means “ours” or, in a more figurative sense, “on our side” in both Russian and Ukrainian. Zelenskiy’s official Telegram account proudly declares: “Not a single Ukrainian TV channel that is truly ours [on our side, implying on the side of the Ukraine] has been hurt.” A Ukrainian TV channel that broadcasts in Ukrainian language and is owned by a Ukrainian politician is not “on our side”, so they ban it. Of course, only the Banderites and the U.S. Embassy get to decide who is on the side of the Ukraine and who is not. That is the kind of “democracy” that has been brought to the Ukraine by the West. Not a single TV channel has been banned under “dictator” Yanukovich. Posted by: S | Feb 12 2022 15:24 utc | 393 @ Antonym | Feb 12 2022 11:59 utc | 378 Posted by: james | Feb 12 2022 16:10 utc | 394 What kind of a covert action would it take to start a war when target and world anticipates. I suspect the us/uk are going to embarrass themselves here – if that is possible. Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2022 16:18 utc | 395 @ jared | Feb 12 2022 16:18 utc | 395 about the drums of war Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 12 2022 16:29 utc | 396 So, am I reading this wrong, or were depth charges just thrown at a USN submarine? What other “dissuasive measures” could be used on an underwater submarine? Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 12 2022 16:29 utc | 397 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 12 2022 16:29 utc | 397 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Feb 12 2022 16:31 utc | 398 Turkey has just closed the Bosphorus strait on the pretext of a “malfunctioning ship”. Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 12 2022 16:32 utc | 399 It will need to be senseless and tragic and only enough to trigger nato clause to enforce termination of trade or cooperation with Russia. Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2022 16:36 utc | 400 |
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