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February 9, 2022
Open Thread 2022-12

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@Eighthman #198
It is a load of nonsense.
There is plenty of underground economy in Europe as well: Europe’s Shadow Economy

On average, shadow economies are around 15 to 25 percent of GDP in the European Union. For advanced European economies, the shadow economy averages 15 to 20 percent, whereas it is more prevalent in emerging market economies, amounting to around 30 to 40 percent of GDP and a much larger share still in some Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) countries (Schneider 2015; Hassan and Schneider 2016; Medina and Schneider 2018; Kelmanson and others 2019).

Also: absolute value GDP is not a great comparator. China may have a GDP on par with the US, but China’s population is 4.2 time bigger. So it means the average Chinese is 4.2 times poorer than the average American in cash terms.
Russia has a population that is more than twice as large as any European nation except Germany – against which it is only 73% bigger. Even if Russia’s GDP were equal to Germany’s – which it is not – the average Russian would be 73% poorer than the average German. In reality, the ratio is more like 380% poorer.
Yes, there are purchasing power parity differences, but these are primarily rest of 1st world/2nd world vs the US – where housing, medical, education and other costs are ginormously higher for Americans than their peers, with token offset of cheaper consumer goods.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 10 2022 18:32 utc | 201

@c1ue | Feb 10 2022 16:07 utc | 187
“I am confused: Russia not fully allying with China and keeping (some of) its options open by getting closer to India – is precisely multi-lateralism.”
Great right? So I was arguing against others (or the sources they cite) who call for Russia to bash India so as to be a better Chinese ally. Were Russia to be China’s bridge to India, I think the Chinese would go for it pronto. But Modi hides for foreign audiences how much of a Hindu zealot he is; so hard for Xi’s technocrats to just find a common language.
“Chinese and Indian troops were fighting each other during COVID”
I know–that Chinese “hero soldier torchbearer” clearly was not a veteran from the sixties. But tightly controlled (some would say choreographed) scuffles do not a border war make, even if regrettably there were a couple losses on both sides. (The extremely challenging terrain, to which you also referred I believe, makes this hard to avoid.) But these giant countries will not lose it over a handful casualties, the point of no return has not yet been passed.
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@Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 10 2022 16:59 utc | 194
“about Zelensky and so on: maybe but clearly not enough and there’s still the possibility that they’re only pretending”
I was only talking about his campaign, and the resulting voter mandate. Once in office… well if we could get our own Western govts to do what we need them to do even remotely, we wouldn’t be getting drunk here. And even then: maybe the Ukie voters only rejected Porky’s greed, and it was wishful to think it had to do with his warmongering. You’d probably need to be an Ukie to know this better, but I’m more lucky than that and anyway not all Ukies will think the same.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 10 2022 18:42 utc | 202

dan of steele | Feb 10 2022 8:46 utc | 146
at the same time, there is no end to this kind of bs. just from a random goog of “vaxes as commie plot against the USM”. the only true statement in this whole segment is the opening one: “Now let me say, I am vaccinated.” (At least he’s more honest than Robert Kennedy Jr.) all this is paid for by the same folks whose Senators voted 100-0 for last 50 US military budgets and every war you can name. but the virus and the vax, all invented by the jackasses who’ve hated America for 250 years, aided by their Manchurian coolies cooking their yellow bugs in a Faucian Wuhan bat cave. did you know it’s your Christian duty not to submit to Biden’s commie plot against our purity of essence? now you do. if gays can be in the ranks, why not the unvaxxed? (what is and isn’t contagious in a shower? hahahahaha.) it’s because we are too “woke” and not focused enough on warfighting that we even talk about things like vax mandates.
meanwhile, in the House, we just had 168 congressers issue a statement in support of the Jan 6 putsch, in which the 1st point is that Biden is promoting socialism. how much has the wealth of each of these 168 members (and/or their spouses) increased just under the Biden admin? while Biden goes on and on about how great friends he and Mitch are. well, comity and communism, what can one say. of course pinkos want us all to get along.
one doesn’t have to peek far under the bed of America’s fevered nightmares to see the Bircherism behind the anti-vaxxers. more than a few will heed the calls to save Amerikkka from stabby commies with needles being coordinated out of the white house, calls issued by the Sackler family. if we don’t protect the (made in China) fabric of America’s moral roughage, who will?
isn’t it funny that the donkeys said the exact same “he’s gone red”, “Putin’s puppet” baseless slander about Pompeo, Rexxon, ed privatizeer Devos, etc., etc., and esp casino mogul president dumpster fire? per Schiff, HRC, Maddow, etc., etc., the most active commie cell in the US was composed of the soviet comrades in the Trump cabinet.
how the whirligig of time brings in his revenges.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:43 utc | 203

rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:43 utc | 203
needles being coordinated out of the white house
in a country that refuses condoms and clean needles to kids or pretty much anyone. “i can connect nothing with nothing”. to connect something with something would be to connect the abysmal state of public health in the US with the cultivated indifference and misinformation about the coronavirus. nah.
that they are doing exactly what BoJo said they would, let it rip and the let the bodies pile up, it’s unscientific to point that out.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:50 utc | 204

The western press, over the last few days, has been addressing the Minsk agreements in context of their renewed relevance in terms of diplomatic negotiations seeking to resolve at least the tensions within Ukraine itself. The central disagreement with the “meaning” of the Minsk document is over the agency of the population within the Donetsk / Lugansk regions, and correspondingly the legitimacy of their position as negotiated. Essentially, the Ukrainian position – or at least that endorsed by the west – is that the breakaway regions are controlled entirely by Russia and that granting political representation to the regions is the equivalent of allowing a hostile foreign entity gain influence in the country’s parliament. This position also insists all the trouble started with the “invasion” and “annexation” of Crimea, and that the previous “popular uprising” enjoyed universal support within the country at large. This position also seems to reflect merely the relatively extreme views of a minority within the country at large – outsized in influence due to support from competing foreign interests (opposed to Russia). Their simplistic and counter-factual narrative is what needs to be overcome.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 10 2022 19:13 utc | 205

@ no body counts | Feb 10 2022 16:57 utc | 193
China is not so stupid and NATOstan is working overtime to jab its populace.
The first person in the world to receive an mRNA Covid “vaccine” outside a clinical trial was Margaret Keenan, a 90-year-old Englishwoman, on Dec. 8, 2020.
In the 14 months since, more than 1 billion people worldwide have received more than 2 billion shots of mRNA.
China has a population of 1.45 billion people.
As of last August, China has administered 2 billion COVID vaccine shots in the country.
None are mRNA.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/no-mrna-jabs-in-china-day-426/comments
But in NATOstan, to be vaccinated is VERBOTEN.
And mRNA genetic jab is mandatory.
Why?
If it was about health… As in my previous post.

Posted by: Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206

Stonebird @166 I think the big difference is the lack of an EU governing structure in Canada. Not that their aren’t enough powerful interests from elsewhere represented here, but what is being seen with this Maple Leaf Revolution (per Martyanov) or Freedom Convoy is that the central government can be weakened. Presumably, this may be with the intent to elevate a pre-selected chosen few to power.
However – in Canada, it is far more complicated than that. We see this already with the Green Party and NDP each trying to lay claim to the environmental/ climate change political points on the table, which the Liberal party isn’t strong enough to keep a grip on. And in Quebec – you need a bunch of Quebec if you’re going to govern this country – the back-and-forth is beginning, with discussions over the number of seats in Parliament for the province and the regional agricultural industry. Not to mention whatever is happening on all the other regions, like Alberta which you mentioned. In brief — without a military powerful enough to defend the homeland, there could be no (mostly)unified nation here. That’s another complicated discussion.
Back to the bridge. Forget Liz Truss. I’m waiting for the Beaverton to skewer Michigan governess, Gretchen Wilmer. Then I’ll post it.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 19:30 utc | 207

C1ue @ 199:
Justin Bieber Turdeau is right in a way about Canadian truckers being part of a fringe minority … though they are not a minority in the way he thinks they are.
News sites in India have taken a huge interest in the truckers’ convoy. According to some information I’ve seen on these sites, about 40% of truckers in Canada are of Punjabi-speaking Sikh Indian background. Sikh Indians as a whole make up about 1% of Canada’s total population.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 10 2022 19:34 utc | 208

Per my post @207, Gretchen Whitmer as leader of Michigan… my apologies, and also it’s Elizabeth May from the Green Party who was speaking in Parliament in that 2-minute video I linked to not Canadian figure skater from the ‘88 Olympics, Elizabeth Manley. Sorry, walking, chewing gum.
Since I had to post the correction, here’s another brief recent video of Elizabeth May, presenting a private members bill defending Via Rail Canada:
https://youtu.be/MwsQ8Y6i9yc

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 19:41 utc | 209

Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206
utter nonsense. there are millions of nationals floating around various parts of the world. which gov’t has told their nationals not to take the vaccine(s) available to them?
it sure isn’t China. hundreds of thousands of students alone aren’t taking Sinovac or what have you here in the US. they take what’s here, on their gov’ts authorization.
and western govts aren’t hording vaccines cuz they don’t work. but nice try junior high.
so the chinese vax works but the mrna vaxes are some plot? ffs

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 19:49 utc | 210

The Canadian Convoy is the most important protest action in decades; obviously inspired by, but far more significant than, the gilets jaunes in France! I am stunned that this movement has arisen in Canada and even more amazed at how organised and disciplined the truckers and their supporters are.
It is worth noting that Ben Norton has been shameful in his opposition to the Canadian truckers.
It is apparent that Trudeau is aiming to clamp down on the protestors because he basically hasn’t given himself any other option. Everywhere in the world is dropping the restrictions, mandates and passports so it is insane for the Canadian government to continue down this path.
The Duran has provided a really good analysis of the path that Trudeau is following:
Trudeau under pressure to crackdown on truckers
In the video, Alexander Mercouris identifies “parallel structures” as the reason why the truckers protest is so resilient. If the fake-pandemic and its restrictions are maintained then creating “parallel structures” will be the way to defeat our authoritarian governments.

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 10 2022 19:54 utc | 211

Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206
at least you acknowledge that China is doing something. mostly irrelevant to the brites around here. some truckers honking away US dollars is way more interesting. people going about their lives and not worrying about this stuff is sooooooo 2019. and boring.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 19:59 utc | 212

@ c1ue | Feb 10 2022 18:22 utc | 199… thanks for the free matt taibbi article on the truckers.. as for trudeau having covid and having to isolate which has been reported by the canuck msm, i have little doubt that is true, regardless of the appearance of him running away and hiding – which is also what he is doing here… the 5 day quarentine thing is already pasted as i understand it, but he will not be meeting the truckers regardless of covid, or no covid..
@ Jen | Feb 10 2022 19:34 utc | 208… thanks.. yes, and no… i am supportive of the truckers, and i don’t believe i am part of a fringe group! otherwise all you articulate is pretty accurate.. thanks..
@ ADKC | Feb 10 2022 19:54 utc | 211… thanks.. will take a look at the link now…
to repeat – i am fully supportive of the truckers here… and i think they are more organized then many realize… we’ll see how this unfolds.. it is a big deal as i see it..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 20:09 utc | 213

james made the point, as many others have before, that anything divisive works in favour of the ruling class
cirsium made the point, as many others have before, that mrna drugs do not satisfy the definition of vaccine
i completely agree with both points, and think they are both very important points, but i am constantly confused in this apparently paradoxical position
will add that you are not alone Sunny Runny Burger, my wife (who has had health issues since childhood mostly solved by modern medicine, and so has been very much in support of the covid cult this whole time) had a moment only yesterday where she was like “ahhh, yeah, it really does seem like some of the things they’ve done have made it worse – we are so lucky omicron isn’t that bad”
small steps

Posted by: Rae | Feb 10 2022 20:44 utc | 214

Per my ill wishes for Gretchen Whitmer… I should know better than to try to influence the editorial policy of the Beaverton. To both: I’m sorry.
Oil and gas companies team up to fight climate change by eliminating “Warmest Regards”
https://thebeaverton.com/2022/02/oil-and-gas-companies-team-up-to-fight-climate-change-by-eliminating-warmest-regards/
For vitriol, I’ll pass the torch to Flavio Volpe and zip it.
https://twitter.com/FlavioVolpe1/status/1491761210211147781?s=20&t=8y8wuRfIUkdcQLpOX910Sw

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 21:03 utc | 215

I have not seen it reported here but ZH has a posting up from an Anti war author reporting the the US is sending F-22’s to help protect UAE from Yemen….back into that “war”….
I think the shit show is going to come to a halt soon or at least hope so…..this is the best we can do as a species?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2022 21:10 utc | 216

Thank you @uncle tungsten | Feb 9 2022 23:42 utc | 74
for the Michael Hudson link. It’s excellent throughout but what made me LOL was, when speaking of the US insistence that Western Europe and East Asia belong in the US orbit:
“US diplomats have actually looked for some legal basis for this and they have some archeologists and anthropologists who found an old map of Gondwanaland a few hundred million years ago. The United St—, the whole world used to be part of one continent all together before they began to separate. What the US diplomats found was that Europe was really right next to Latin America, right next to the Caribbean. And so what they come up with is a thought that the Monroe Doctrine really includes Europe if you look at the long big picture. And actually Japan and China were very close to the West Coast, it was all one conglomeration. And the US has said, taking the big picture they have always been part of our sphere of influence.”
Mackinder, meet Continental Drift—All your World-Island is belong to US!

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 10 2022 21:10 utc | 217

re: Americans in Ukraine
It’s come up in the news that the 82d Airborne, two thousand troops when fully implemented, in Poland, west of Ukraine, might set up tents and serve as nursemaids to 30,000 (thirty thousand) American evacuees from Ukraine “if Russia invades.” Kirby at the Pentagon agrees with that concept, with no numbers mentioned.
Why might there be 30,000 Americans in Ukraine, anyone have a clue? It’s in the Wall Street Journal and other rags.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2022 21:30 utc | 218

Everyone can watch live right now (1:30 pm PST) Feb 10 on YouTube of Ukraine getting another 200 million dollars of weapons from the USA.
Reuters live feed

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2022 21:32 utc | 219

every business in the US has chafed at any attempts, like mask mandates, to protect people. the larger businesses, Wal Mart, Tesla, etc., have done everything they can to undermine anything that would interrupt in the slightest their business operations. even masks are too much, because they remind people that something is wrong, which makes them less likely to spend money. not a one hesitates for one second when state authorities loosen or end any restrictions.
is that because they care about the virus, or only about profit?
people should learn something about how their economies work before mouthing off about the virus like they are epidemiologists, when they can’t even observe what their malls, megamarts and big buys are all about.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 21:33 utc | 220

Thank You so Much to all who watched the Convoy Team
Here is their statement released today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKMAOFCpVfQ

Posted by: ld | Feb 10 2022 21:43 utc | 221

Would Russia military be welcomed into the separatist areas of Ukraine or would it have to fight its way in?
It seems it would be best if start of supply via ns2 would be Germanys initiative. Let them sort it out. I wonder how the people of Germany feel about the sacrifice, particularly in light of Blinken-Biden and BoJos sloppy performance.
Russia needs to be focused on issue of long term sercuity and remove the point of contention. Else they will be experiencing this friction for years.
Two principles clearly in evidence:
– dont impede your foe in destrying self
– dont underestimate joe’s ability to f things-up
Joe has again succeeded where Trump failed

Posted by: jared | Feb 10 2022 21:53 utc | 222

Vintage Red #217

Mackinder, meet Continental Drift—All your World-Island is belong to US!

Thank you and, yes that was a mighty good line for a laugh.
Given that the opposite is equally ‘valid’ then we are all part of the greater Easter Island empire’s influence and should be out there making moai as fast as possible. Those images do echo the USA world view in a bleak way.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 223

@ Jared 222
Where Trump failed……Love it. FJB certainly has succeeded in some aspects.
I would bet separatist would welcome Russian reinforcements and aid.
When haven’t they?
And yeah, Germany and it’s citizens need to think long and hard about this situation.
Just how important is affordable energy and the economy to Germans?
Compared to being a US lackey?
I like your post

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 224

rjb1.5 #many
Your comments are appreciated and incisive. Thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:03 utc | 225

lex talionis #219
Given that many munitions that are being given to Ukraine are ‘expired’ or beyond their use by date then can we expect another great display?
To paraphrase Churchill:
Never have so few soldiers received so many weapons to save so many people from such an imaginary war.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:09 utc | 226

@ rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 21:33 utc | 220… here are some words from an epidemiologist… what do you think?
“Well, I do have a major in theoretical Biophysics, got a publication in international immunology while studying (I do not currently work in the field) and do, generally speaking, believe that I can speak with a certain degree of authoritativeness on the topic of vaccine mandates.
They are, with mRNA vaccines vs. Covid, an idea that is about as bad as invading Iraq, and has the potential to get more people killed.
Here is the reasoning:
–Covid is a single stranded RNA virus. Virusses can be single or double stranded, and either DNA or RNA, in all permutations. Of all of these, single stranded RNA virusses mutate fastest, generally speaking. Mutation speed is very important when deciding if you try to beat an epidemic by vaccing or not.
–Covid is a virus infecting the upper respiratory tract. This is not an area that is all that easily accessable to the specific immune system.
–In military terms, trying to fight Covid, essentially exclusively with a vaccine (that is of course leaky on top of that) is akin to trying to fight the first guards tank army with light infantry, on the plains of central Ukraine. It is simply an obviously dumb idea. It is, perhaps permissable, if you have nothing else on hand. But:
–Pretty clear evidence exists that Covid, particularly in its early phase, is quite treatable by pretty cheap and available medicine.
–There is fairly limited risk from Covid to people who are not above 80 years of age.
–And there is the possibility of a Marek like Catastrophe regarding the interaction between leaky vaccines and Covid.
Sidebar: Mareks disease in chickens.
On the heels of great vaccination success vs small pox, in the 1970s, an attempt was made to eradicate Mareks disease, a cancer and paralyisis causing illness, typically with a CFR (case fatality rate) between 2-5%, in chicken. The vaccine for this was one and done, but did not cause sterile immunity, meaning it did not prevent transmission, but mostly made the chickens immunized highly unlikely to die or even be negatively affected from Mareks disease, assuming the immuniziation worked in the chick in question. As such, the vaccines used vs. Mareks were actually better then the mRNA vaccines used vs. Covid.
So, what happened? Well, the currently dominant strains of Marek kill any unvacced chicken in 5-6 days. Chickens have to be vaccinated in ovo, meaning in the egg, to have any chance of survival. Incidence of Mareks disease in vaccinated chickens is still pretty high. Millions of chicken have died. So yes, Vaccines, even vaccines that work fairly well, can horribly backfire!
Personally, I view vaccinations as being solidly in the top 10 of mankinds inventions, along with the wheel or firemaking. That vaccinations, wheels or fire are a really great inventions does not mean that I am in favor of being set on fire, run over by a wheel, or be force vaccinated against a single stranded RNA virus that has, against people with my physical characteristics, a 0.01% CFR rate.
Secondary sidebar: The other problem in mRNA vaccines:
Normally, whenever you take a medicine, you can find out exactly how much of the medicine you took, what is in it etc.
This is not the case with mRNA. Nobody can accurately tell me how much spike protein my body will produce after a vaccination. Every first semester medicine student knows that the difference between poison and medicine is just dosage and location, and these 2 things are essentially put into the hands of randomness and fate with mRNA vaccines. It is however completely permissable to use mRNA-interference techniques to treat very hard to treat otherwise patients.
The amount of spike protein produced and then exposed is:
X (number of mRNA-lipids containers) *p1 (probability of hitting a cell and entering it) * p2 (probability of mRNA getting to a Ribosome before being degraded) *p3 (probability of the ribosomal complex being willing or able to process this mRNA) * m1 (number of times the mRNA gets translated into protein) * (p4-p5) (combination of probabilities for diffusion back to the outer cellwall, p4 minus the probability to get stuck in the nuclear membrane, which happens to be right next to to the Ribosomes) *p6 (probability to transition out of the cell)
p1,p2,p3,p4,p5,p6 are between 0 and 1, m1 is probably 1, but can be higher then that in some cases. X, in Moderna, is simply 4 times higher then X in Biontech.
Meanwhile, with a Protein vaccine, you have Covid like looking Spike protein parts, carefully dose them, and directly expose the immune system to them. Oh, did I mention that Spike proteins, in an actually productive Covid infection, are subject to considerable degrees of post translational modification governened by other Covid Genes (which the mRNA vaccine does not include)? And that a mRNA vaccine generated Spike Protein may very well look quite different to a real spike protein? Or that we are still vaccinating against the Wuhan wild type, which no longer exists outside of labs?
There is also another thing: Nobody vaccinated twice without some time spent between each vaccination, and for very good reasons (doing so massively increases side effect probability). Well, Covid is a disease that can be asymptomatic in, with Omicron, as many as 7 out of 8 patients.
Someone who had an asymptomatic infection, and then gets vaccinated on top of that with a short time span between infection and vaccination, is highly likely to get serious side effects, while not actually getting much of an immune system improvement.
It is sheer lunacy to force mRNA vaccines on healthy individuals, especially given that more secure alternatives like attenuated vaccines or protein vaccines exist, and that covid can probably be effectively treated.
It is thus unsurprising, that the number of suspected adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines is higher then the combined number of all suspected adverse reaction to all vaccines, taken together, since 1970.
I studied epidemiology. The consensus position, prior to 2019, was that one simply does not vaccinate into an ongoing Pandemic, unless there is absolutly nothing else one could possibly do. This position has clearly proven its merit, as is evidenced by the craptacular performance of the vaccination program.”
taken from the poster A.I.S.
FEBRUARY 5, 2022 AT 4:00 AM
FASCISTS IN OTTAWA. NONE IN KIEV!

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:12 utc | 227

@ Rae | Feb 10 2022 20:44 utc | 214… thanks… maintaining a paradoxical position is not for the faint of heart… most people are much more comfortable holding to a position that refuses to consider the other side of the position…. in a sense you are breaking with this long habit of human nature that has a tendency to want to keep a closed mind or hold to only one position, until they are presented with new realities whereby they have to redefine their previous position…

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:16 utc | 228

Rae it’s nothing to worry about but I’m wondering if perhaps you’re replying to another commenter concerning COVID? Otherwise I’m missing something (but then again I’m more tired than usual right now lol).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 10 2022 22:16 utc | 229

@ld | Feb 10 2022 21:43 utc | 221

Thank You so Much to all who watched the Convoy Team
Here is their statement released today
“>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKMAOFCpVfQ

Thank you for posting. My respect for the Canadian people who are protesting is growing by the minute. I wish for a peaceful resolution, remove the mandates and digital ids.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2022 22:19 utc | 230

Fargin Hilarious
Russell Brand for all the folks on or off board with the trucuckers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PghoRUr-wo
anyhoo makin my way to Ortawar this weekend

Posted by: ld | Feb 10 2022 22:23 utc | 231

And wow James that’s a brilliant comment you shared there, very informative at least to me, I had never heard of Marek’s disease before and the Wikipedia page on it also looks good or at least decent for those interested.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 10 2022 22:28 utc | 232

@ 229 sunny runny burger.. it might have been off the first page post of yours @ Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 9 2022 22:24 utc | 57… thanks for your commentary!

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:28 utc | 233

– thanks sunny runny burger… i am curious to hear a response from rjb1.5 if one is going to be had!

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:30 utc | 234

@uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 223
If humanity doesn’t make it through our little thicket of extinction level challenges, and alien archeologists happen upon our remains, on this continent I can imagine them finding such giant stone monuments with the faces of our billionaires, neocons, three letter agency types, military brass and other talking heads.
Hopefully we will instead survive, and even thrive.

Posted by: @uncle tungsten | Fe | Feb 10 2022 22:31 utc | 235

^^^ don’t know how the post-error but the above was mine, Vintage Red

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 10 2022 22:32 utc | 236

Ma Laoshi #170
Thank you. I am equally interested in reading any German commentary, ideological or geopolitical analysis by German political scientists. Do they have a blog?? that I can machine translate perhaps.
b can you assist us barflies with a brief post on the German world view sources?
I loved the Mercouris piece. Strange silence from smooiex12 as I thought he would absolutely feast on it but he has jumped from Macron to Truss giving Sholz a miss. Maybe he is recovering from a small bout of apoplexy.
Mercouris reports today that China has expressed an opinion on the USA warmongering in Ukraine. Worth the 30 minutes.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:33 utc | 237

Are you a Terrorist?
Homeland Security
Summary of Terrorism Threat to the U.S. Homeland
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-february-07-2022

If you disagree with the dominant “official” narrative then
your wrongthink makes you a Terrorist.

Posted by: librul | Feb 10 2022 22:50 utc | 238

james #227
Thank you and that link was sobering. Many other virologists and scientists working in vaccine technology would fully support that position.
The naked greed based suborning of public health and pharmacology remains disgusting.
In a strange way Trudeau is the current lightening rod for public anger and awareness of the blunder. If the Canadian Teamsters Union had any independence or care for its members it would host a membership debate on this controversial science and facilitate an informed public. The silence of organised labor has left the field to be occupied by other forces.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 23:18 utc | 239

Vintage Red #236
Agreed, that was peculiar.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 23:19 utc | 240

@ uncle tungsten… thanks… i agree with you in all that @ 238.. we’ll see how it goes for trudeau here forward.. i suspect a rocky month of february for him..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 23:52 utc | 241

Rae #214

“ahhh, yeah, it really does seem like some of the things they’ve done have made it worse – we are so lucky omicron isn’t that bad” small steps

Yes but then single strand virus are notorious for rapid mutation.
Omicron may be of minor discomfort but it has developed a significant gain of function in that it has jumped the barrier of both vax AND prior infection. Hopefully we survivors can recognise that it has the potential either naturally or as configured in some clandestine lab to become very lethal.
Given Fauci and his entourage have a penchant for funding gain of function research such as at the University of North Carolina, we cannot rest assured that some eager beaver is not right now examining the fruits of their latest ‘trick’. Perhaps DARPA has a little surprise under way in Georgia or one of its many offshore labs.
We are not out of the woods yet.
The perverted science of adopting a single path medication solution of vax vax vax and prohibiting or hindering access to medicinal treatments and preventatives is an ignorance of the first order.
Humans and their governments would be well advised to let a thousand flowers bloom in these times. In my country doctors and myself are prohibited from easy access to prophylactics, even something as benign as nasal spray nitric oxide is prohibited by being stymied in its licensing for human use. The peak medical advisory body does not even publish a wise regimen of daily preventative actions for the public. There is ignorance and there is mendacity and when they collude we have a problem.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 23:59 utc | 242

More anti-mandate protesters and more police arrive at the NZ parliament precinct:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/461291/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-anti-mandate-protest-enters-fourth-day-at-parliament
This will not end well.
Meanwhile NZ has reached new virus case and vaxx records.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 0:34 utc | 243

Uncle T @238…one of the few groups left in Canada that is anti Apartheid and supports Palestine’s right to statehood are Unions. How many workers in Canada that are Union workers, front line, cops, Mounties (old black faces’ personal security detail quit) nurses, ems, doctors, and yes, truckers have lost their jobs due to Mandate Madness?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 1:03 utc | 244

Whether dissent is astroturfed by insidious forces or not, the challenge for us ordinary people is how to come together to establish peace and justice for all despite our callous overseerers.
Events projected loudly by whichever well-funded media representatives, super minorities which control or strive to influence the functioning of big business and government, does not imply ordinary people regardless of conventional labels and descriptions have not the inherent ability and good intentions to create peaceable, just solutions to our current challenges.
We need to forge a way together across media-created divides to triumph over the incompetence and corruption of ruling parties and their media funder overseer schemers.
Imagine that a handful of actors without authorization released the covid lab thingy as an economic (not personal) bioweapon against China, intending to cause economic disruption without causing high fatality rates. But China responded with agility, skill, intelligence and wisdom with its zero covid policy, unexpectedly creating conditions for blow back because the releasor nation was unprepared.
In this scenario the blowback to the entire ‘developed world’ caused by the small cohort of unauthorized instigators in the west magnified the incompetence and illegality of the aggressor host state which we are facing today.
~~~
So, a handful of unauthorized actors may have caused up to now over ~ 20 million global deaths and unimaginable suffering, ongoing.
How and when will we see justice if this scenario is true?
Meanwhile the results unsettles the stability of peoples suffering the consequences, ordinary people, unlike the wealthy who have profited from this suffering. The harmed clamor for justice although they know not what that entails, understandable. Some will opportunistically profit from this angst.
~~~
Where is the acountability for the EAU vaccines which trial data we have not had access to? When did the trials really begin? Is that a problematic question for the authorities? I don’t know. Releasing the trial data if there is nothing to hide shouldn’t be problematic.
~~~
We are on our own to carpenter solutions to challenges which are not left right but top bottom. Disavow legitimacy to those who strive to divide us against one another despite our common interests.
Where I live, in a rural ag county USA, this oppressive divisiveness manifests daily on talk radio. The major agricultural radio outlet here broadcasts for ~two hours at midday, covering current agricultural topics which everybody wants to hear. The rest of the programming on the channel, the other 22 hours is mostly divisive hate radio, talkers hating on their political opponents supported by the Koch bro’s.
I don’t watch tv. Is there is a similarity there as well re divisiveness over constructive engagement?

Posted by: suzan | Feb 11 2022 2:01 utc | 245

Loaded and interacted with thousands of truckers over 38 yrs in warehousing.
I repeat; Real truckers, my ass. The covid has been weaponized. The powers now out of power, need covid to continue. It’s a strategy..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 2:37 utc | 246

@ suzan | Feb 11 2022 2:01 utc | 244… the divisiveness here in canada might be similar… i pick some of it up on cbc in the comments section… people are generally divided over covid and the mandates and etc. etc… the trucker convoy is testimony to this i suppose.. and i do think the politicians seem to thrive on taking advantage of these types of divisions among ordinary people.. sometimes in fact, the language politicians use is very unhelpful.. this is a criticism that has been leveled at trudeau over everything happening now too…
how do we come together with those who hold diametrically opposite views? there has to be some gentleness in our actions with each other, as i think goodness is the underlying nature of all people, in spite of peoples attachment to a particular viewpoint or opinion..

Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 2:41 utc | 247

rjb15
I address this specifically to all of your comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smj91z9il0s

Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 2:41 utc | 248

@ vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 2:37 utc | 245 did you watch the video Id linked to earlier?? give it a try and tell me what you think.. thanks..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3sYDMNiD4

Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 2:44 utc | 249

@Suzan, #244:
I don’t watch tv. Is there is a similarity there as well re divisiveness over constructive engagement?
I don’t watch much TV either, but do tune in to evening news once in a while (ABC, NBC). For years I found they twist whatever happened that’s considered news worthy in ways to suit the current politically correct meme (or may be that’s what you are referring to as hate radio). Or else it’s some silly anecdotes that lead audiences to be hyped into doing the kind of things you and I would probably loathe. On a 30 minutes broadcast, about 15 minutes are commercials, 80% of them on pharmaceutical products, 10% on insurances, etc. It is a wasteland. You ain’t missing much by not watching.
Yup! If you have the urge to waste time, it’s much better to waste them here at MOA than on TV wasteland.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 11 2022 2:54 utc | 250

James @ 248; Yep, I watched it. Big organized $ is funding this new astroturf group aka “the truckers”
Spread enough $ around, and you can get people to convince others that water isn’t wet.
Remember the “tea party”? same crap.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:34 utc | 251

When so-called “grass roots” demos are well-funded,. buyer beware/….

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:36 utc | 252

@james #227
Thank you for re-posting that comment. I didn’t know about Marek’s disease.

Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 3:56 utc | 253

I see the stage being set for the “perfect storm” of economic happenstance that causes the global markets meltdown.
My personal opinion is that Russia is going to help Syria and Iraq rid itself of empire occupation which also shuts down Occupied Palestine aggression. This is what is going to crash the global markets, IMO
All this hoopla over Ukraine is an empire ploy that will fall on its face when the Syria/Iraq efforts show results and the global narrative turns to, why is empire in Syria?
I think all are waiting for Olympics to complete…or almost complete….grin
This is the shit show that barbarism manufactures to keep the God of Mammon cult in control.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 3:58 utc | 254

@ vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:34 utc | 250… thanks for taking a look and replying to me…. i respectfully disagree and see this differently.. cheers..
@ S | Feb 11 2022 3:56 utc | 252… thanks.. i appreciate the many posts you make here at moa and have learned from you..

Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 4:26 utc | 255

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 20:09 utc | 213
I agree, james; it is a very big deal. There was a post up today at nakedcapitalism on the subject, some very good comments from the Canadian side. I wish I’d copied, first hand reports of the scene in Ottawa being very neighborly. Unfortunately the post is no longer there – maybe being revised. If it comes back the comments are worth a look. I put one up myself that if I could think of a way to protest as peacefully as that and be noticed I would, but I can’t.
I just went through the Battle of Waterloo with Victor Hugo. Shades of the Iliad, which I’ve always thought was a poem against war. So’s this:

…If anything is frightful, if there be a reality which surpasses dreams, it is this: to live, to see the sun, to be in full possession of manly vigour, to have health and joy, to laugh sturdily, to rush towards a glory which dazzlingly invites you on, to feel a very pleasure in respiration, to feel your heart beat, to feel yourself a reasoning being, to speak, to think, to hope, to love; to have mother, to have wife, to have children, to have sunlight and suddenly, in a moment, in less than a minute, to feel yourself buried in an abyss, to fall, to roll, to crush, to be crushed, to see the grain, the flowers, the leaves, the branches, to be able to seize upon nothing, to feel your sword useless, men under you, horses over you, to strike about you in vain, your bones broken by some kick in the darkness, to feel a heel which makes your eyes leap from their sockets, to grind the horseshoes with rage in your teeth, to stifle, to howl, to twist, to be under all this, and to say: just now I was a living man!

Hugo is describing how a final charge uphill of the French cavalry at Napoleon’s command (he had already sent to Paris that the battle was won) did not know the British position was protected by a deep, hidden, ravine-like road traversing the battlefield, untill they were upon it…
And so, many today are eager for war, they say.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 5:31 utc | 256

@c1ue #184
You’ve moved the goalposts. You wrote in #56
“However, China openly dissenting against the sanctions on Russia would be an example of clear support for an alliance partner.
Oh, but then that would interfere with China’s nice profitable trade with the EU and the US…”
I provided counterexamples to your claims in #152.

Posted by: TN | Feb 11 2022 5:51 utc | 257

Thank you, Paul @ 242:
“…Wellington District Commander Superintendent Corrie Parnell said police are working with Wellington City Council to seek “disestablishment” of food trucks and others bringing food to the Parliament protest, under council bylaws. He said banning food trucks and volunteers supplying food is “certainly an option” and they’re in dialogue with council about it.”
Also:
“…Police’s strategy is not to ‘wait out’ the protestors. “There are multiple facets here… We’ve had real difficulty in terms of the task at hand… A range of vehicles from a heavy truck to campervans…”

Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 6:19 utc | 258

Ah, Wellington, and they have turned on the sprinklers so there’s flooding, very muddy…another Waterloo perhaps? Must be my kiwi blood, or it’s just past my bedtime…courage, chaps; courage, police trainees!
Campervans? Now, there’s a thought.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 6:27 utc | 259

I come from a real libertarian anarchist subculture since I was a boy.
http://www.takver.com/history/aia/aia00026.htm
There was always a right wing group and left wing group amicably together, and prepared to discuss the issues, at the same Push bars in Sydney and Melbourne, see link above. Those ‘Days of Wine and Roses’ [book] are now gone. see Humphry McQueen”s book, Not available at the NLA database.
By the way, I learnt a lot from the Old Sydney Push and had a lot of fun.
I am watching NZ events at the NZ parliament on the big screen right now, I can’t find the same live stream on my gadget to share. I have demonstrated there too. Not a policeman in sight when I was there.
Having demonstrated in three different countries, with care, Therefore I offer my opinion.
On a number of issues, I think NZ police are soft, misdirected, but professional, compared to the other brutal and corrupt police I have encountered, particularly in Australia and Asia.
The rain will eventually come to windy Wellington, as always,\ and the soaked demonstrators will be saturated.
I, like the protesters, don’t believe any government/MSM narrative anymore.
The government will win. Come the revolution.
Social Cohesion, like in China, depends on trust in the government. This is the missing ingredient.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 9:37 utc | 260

@TN #256
I wrote, from the very beginning, actions rather than words.
China issuing a press statement that nobody in the West sees – is not an action.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:36 utc | 261

#222
Soooo true!

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 11 2022 10:36 utc | 262

Does this mean Pfizrael has had a split?
Israel signs with Novavax for 5M doses

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:37 utc | 263

@James #213
I checked historical links – there were early reports that one of Trudeau’s children was exposed on 1/27 but that Trudeau himself had tested negative then, so I think you are right.
This is interesting as Taibbi is normally very accurate – maybe an American reading Canadian news problem.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:40 utc | 264

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 9:37 utc | 259
Further to the above comment the Wellington protesters have finally found a real talent to sing the NZ national anthem, ‘God Defend New Zealand.’ The words actually have meaning in either Te Reo Maori or English.
Some of the TV commentary only makes sense to those who have some knowledge of Te Reo Maori.
It’s interesting to watch.
Calll me a limosine liberal if you like, but I am sure the nearby Rydges Hotel i booked out.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 11:46 utc | 265

librul | 200
Trump was recruited by the DNC/HRC crew.
Wikileaks is the source.
He was to be the “pied piper” candidate.
He was deemed by DNC cleverdicks as being so abhorrent people who hated Hillary would hate trump more.
At some point in the campaign he realised he could win.
Being the NYC showman and grifter, … he betrayed her.
He told the story of the woman rescuing the snake, only to have it fatally bite her.
“Why?” She cries as she dies….snake: “you knew I was a snake, it’s my nature”.
Trumps rally crowd had no idea why he told this story every time.
HRC on election night…… her rage equalling seven demons from hell….. not on,y had she lost and would not be the first female president….. he had cheated, lied and stolen the crown from her.
DNC absolutely believed she would win.
They left nothing to chance in 2019-20.
He cannot possibly win in 2024.
He’s yesterday’s news. He will be lucky if he’s not in jail by then.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 11 2022 11:51 utc | 266

@uncle tungsten #133
ToivoS posted a notice about a discussion on Consortium News between Joe Luria, Scott Ritter and Mercouris.
I didn’t catch the specific name, but I believe Mercouris noted that the understudy to Scholz stated that negotiating a mutually acceptable agreement with Russia makes sense, and that this person was very likely to be the next prime minister of Germany.
Mercouris did say that it is inconceivable that Macron’s present shuttle diplomacy has not been discussed with “the Germans, the Italians” etc.
And again, Germany has been notably quiet regarding Ukraine.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 12:29 utc | 267

Hi to the bar. I’m still zipping it ‘cept to post this bit of info on prairie province, Saskatchewan.
Home to genuine Canadian political conservatism —
– Motion to amend the Saskatchewan Act
https://globalnews.ca/news/8609385/conservative-motion-saskatchewan-act-parliament/
“This is the second time Conservatives have asked the Liberal government to remove a longstanding deal imposed by a former federal government to give CP Rail a permanent tax exemption in Saskatchewan.”
And headquarters for the National Farmers Union, a group who most know not to get riled up politically —
– Letter to the Globe and Mail newspaper about violations to USMCA in the milk industry
https://mobile.twitter.com/nfucanada
Maybe some are hoping to redirect attention to whoever this is Saskatchewan Farmer @saskyfarmers
https://mobile.twitter.com/saskyfarmers

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 12:32 utc | 268

Sorry here’s the letter —
https://twitter.com/NFUcanada/status/1489227406779072514?s=20&t=MMq4VLwhLAPgr73cQIEvtA

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 12:44 utc | 269

Wrt truckers:
The organizers are a diverse group that for whatever reasons are “in charge” of this thing.
They are seemingly well funded and apparently very well organized with contingency planning and counteractions immediately implemented after police actions to find ways to stay on parliament Hill. There’s hidden money behind them from somewhere because most of the 12+ million in donations from go Fund me etc is tied up. Another explanation is alot of the protestors are doing this at their own expense which I believe. The organizers appear to have cash however and I care not where they get it from.
They’ve been peaceful and self police themselves with roe’s for police interactions. Tow trucks were called in to remove the rigs but all the tower’s under government contract refused……awesome but this was apparently a tactic that the organizers had forethought of and difused or the protesters have 100% support of anyone who can tow a rig.
Another factor is that the protesters on the hill have approximately 25% occupancy Rate of “child hostages lol” that they brought with them. The media angle of arresting parents in front of children who get dragged to child services is a bad optic for our glorious prime Minister.
There’s alot of support for the truckers protest. There’s alot of narcs and sympathizers amongst the nazis that do as they’re told. The brute squad will move in eventually but I think/hope it will galvanize the movement.
Just a thought and mostly playing devils advocate but what if:
I’m not a firm believer that the jabs have such short-long term negative effects that some of the commenter’s describe are happening in the general population. Children having strokes and dying athletes etc. but what if it is true and the way of hiding these side effects is to ta da let er rip and let everyone get omnicron and then blame it on the virus instead. Then when we’re all dropping dead our governments can go back to lock down mode and we’ll never be able to question them again.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 11 2022 12:58 utc | 270

Pleasebeleafme@269
Omnicron may be the antidote, a two day sickness that gives lasting immunity to CV19. We had covid in the house two years ago, all sick, one died. My wife, exposed at work was sick at Xmas, heavy upper resp. cough, every bone in body ached, after 48 hrs began to feel better, three weeks now she appears none the worse.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 13:21 utc | 271

Is this ‘Open Thread’
open yet?

Posted by: librul | Feb 11 2022 13:26 utc | 272

@Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 11 2022 12:58 utc | 269
Yes, scientifically, the unvaccinated represent a fearsome control group.

Posted by: librul | Feb 11 2022 13:30 utc | 273

@Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 13:21 utc | 270
My wife is beginning day 14 of her symptoms. She tested Positive,
I tested Negative. Her symptoms never got beyond those of a mild
cold except that she is quite tired. However, her symptoms have
plateaued for more than 10 days, nothing much changes. Don’t know
about today yet, as she is still sleeping in this morning.

Posted by: librul | Feb 11 2022 13:37 utc | 274

Hubert Horan continues his excellent series on the ongoing grift that is ride sharing:
Can Uber Ever Deliver Part 29 on nakedcapitalism.com

Cumulative losses from Uber’s ongoing operation since 2014 now exceed $31 billion, while Uber’s published numbers were inflated by $8.7 billion in unrealized gains in the securities of unrelated businesses.

Lyft’s operations remain cash negative, burning $100 million in 2021. This was almost identical to its operating cash burn in 2019 but a huge improvement over the $1.3 billion burned in 2020. Lyft has burned through 55% of the cash it had at the end of 2018 and would have burned through 65% but for its ability to convert some of its failed AV assets into cash.

The addendum at the conclusion of this article, based the analysis using data collected by the city of Chicago, presents some of the critical data about the ridesharing market that is completely missing from these financial reports and press articles.
The meteoric growth of ridesharing in Chicago prior to the pandemic was driven by fares 45% lower than what traditional taxis offered, and by enormous capacity growth, over 400% in terms of trips and probably 700% in terms of trip-miles. The ridesharing companies were not seeking to merely supplant traditional taxis, but to totally dominate a dramatically expanded car service market.

The average fare per rideshare trip in Chicago was $26.96 in July 2021, 66% higher than the same rideshare trip in July 2019, and 72% higher than the comparable taxi trip in July 2013, before the rideshare companies dominated the market. This Chicago data is consistent with multiple press reports about dramatically higher 2021 rideshare fares. [The wife has noticed this and isn’t happy, especially since I’ve been telling her this was coming…]

The city of Chicago has established publicly accessible databases that provide urban planners who want to better understand car services in Chicago with a wealth of hard data. They include trip level origin/destination, time, mileage and fare data for taxis going back to 2013 and rideshare services since November 2018.

Consumer expenditures on urban car services in Chicago (taxi plus rideshare) increased by 375% between 2014 and 2019, with the ridesharing companies capturing 85% of the overall market prior to the pandemic. Taxi revenues began declining in 2014 but did not collapse until the pandemic.
Two thirds of rideshare growth in Chicago between 2016 and 2019 was share shift away from existing providers. Media coverage has focused exclusively on business captured from traditional taxis but this only explains 17% of rideshare growth. Another 45-50% of the growth in rideshare trips tracks with declines in Chicago Transit Authority ridership.

So to summarize:
Ride share is an enormously unprofitable business which technology has failed to turn profitable.
Ride share takes away business not just from taxis, but more so from mass transit.
The 2 leaders of ride share in the US in ride share have lost nearly $40B since inception and are still heavily unprofitable.
I will further add that – both from my own experience and from Seattle city data – that ride sharing is inherently less efficient than either taxi or mass transit services. Ride share drivers have to drive to the customer, unpaid. In theory, this distance is minimized but in reality, the difficulty of matching supply with demand is such that drivers typically spend half of their driving miles unpaid/going to pick up riders.
Since the service is better – the matching up of a specific rider with a specific driver, the service should be charging more, and a lot more at that.
Ride share instead chose a path of economic warfare vs. its alternatives of traditional taxis and mass transit; but with the demise of taxis (due to COVID) and major fare increases, the ride share companies continue to lose huge amounts of money (i.e. highly unprofitable).

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 13:40 utc | 275

See? I assured everyone that that Circe and King Donkey Rear .org (with new aliases… donkeyrear was never shy about multiple posts under different aliases to masturbate with and give himself the appearance of a fan club) would be back once election season got under way again in the US, and here they are!
Remember the last time Circe showed up to shill for the Democrats, she pretended to support Sanders only to steer towards the establishment as the election neared? This time she is gritting her teeth and trying to disguise her standard issue establishment Sinophobia. Dimbots have to try and fool the targets of their shilling into thinking they are one of the crowd and on your side. They have to gain your trust for when it is time to start their sales pitch for the empire. 100% guaranteed that as we approach November Circe will ramp up the shrill hysteria about voting establishment Democrat or it will be the end of the world.
As for donkeyrear (with a new alias! See if you can spot him in this thread!), it didn’t take long for him to put his perpetual butthurt on display. The poor donkey is clearly going to have a difficult time this election season.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 13:43 utc | 276

librul | 200
”Trump was recruited by the DNC/HRC crew.
Wikileaks is the source.
He was to be the “pied piper” candidate.
He was deemed by DNC cleverdicks as being so abhorrent people who hated Hillary would hate trump more.
At some point in the campaign he realised he could win.
Being the NYC showman and grifter, … he betrayed her.
He told the story of the woman rescuing the snake, only to have it fatally bite her.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 11 2022 11:51 utc | 265′
hey Meleuaca,
that’s an interesting Australian plant. Are you Australian?
librul @200 asks
“Why?” She cries as she dies….snake: “you knew I was a snake, it’s my nature”.
Trumps rally crowd had no idea why he told this story every time.
HRC on election night…… her rage equalling seven demons from hell….. not on,y had she lost and would not be the first female president….. he had cheated, lied and stolen the crown from her.
DNC absolutely believed she would win.
They left nothing to chance in 2019-20.
He cannot possibly win in 2024.
He’s yesterday’s news. He will be lucky if he’s not in jail by then.”
The answer is social media in the form of Fakebook and Cambridge Anylitica, they were THE REAL RUSSIANS. The rest of the story were sour grapes by the DNC. We was robbed, etc.
HRC was exposed by Yoko ONO long ago, search.
A friend of mine knows Yoko and has enjoyed her hospitality. I now know about HRC.
Tump is now unelectable IMHO.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 14:29 utc | 277

Lots of claims in this thread about the Canadian truckers being Nazi fascist terrorist racist homophobe misogynists. Since I don’t consume corporate mass media would someone be so kind as to link any evidence that is being used to support this claim? I am just curious because the over-the-top hysteria being used against the truckers otherwise sounds like standard programmed wokebot synchronized chanting.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 14:51 utc | 278

The loud and persistent call from the Wellington NZ protesters is “Kia Kaha”, this can not be adequately translated, say, ‘stay strong.’

Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 15:07 utc | 279

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-washington-has-lost-its-mind-over-ukraine-200513?page=0%2C1
How the heck did an article this reasonable ever get published? When did pundits get required to actually read what adversaries write?

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 11 2022 15:08 utc | 280

I apologize for so many questions, but could someone explain the rabid hate being displayed for the unvaxxed? I mean, if you are vaxxed then you are immune and safe and blessed by whatever deity you adhere to, and the unvaxxed are all just going to die anyway, so why the insane rage? Just kick back and revel in your own exceptional awesomeness instead of raging and driving your blood pressure through the roof.
I am wondering if the Trump years have made so many Americans so addicted to insane outraged hate that they need a substitute for “Trumpists” to vent their daily buildup of bile at.
Disclaimer: I am vaxxed with the stuff produced by the outfit (Moderna) that was associated with the gang who created the “novel” coronavirus in the first place. My figuring is that the ones who created the disease might be best positioned for creating the cure.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 15:15 utc | 281

Times they are a-changin’, again.
I read this fairly surprisning scentence in state controlled Swedish media (SVT) today: “De uppgifter som kommer från USA, NATO och andra företrädare för väst är en del i det propagandakrig som redan pågår.”
In English it would be “Any claims made by the US, NATO and other representatives of the West are a part of the on going propaganda war”.
It’s stated as a fact by the Russia corespondent, it’s not him quoting some source. Of course he goes on to claim that russinan propaganda “has far lower credibility” – but still: SVT has been the spearhead of said propaganda for at least a decade. This is a sea change!

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 11 2022 15:31 utc | 282

“..As for donkeyrear (with a new alias! See if you can spot him in this thread!), ..” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 13:43 utc | 275
How about giving us a c1ue?
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John Cleary, thanks for replying to my query the other day. It seems like https://pedoempire.org/chapter-33-the-british-royal-family-pedophilia-and-the-end-of-a-1200-year-parasitic-monarchy/ is one place to get an accurate take on “our rulers”!

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 11 2022 15:34 utc | 283

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 11 2022 11:51 utc | 265
He told the story of the woman rescuing the snake, only to have it fatally bite her.
“Why?” She cries as she dies….snake: “you knew I was a snake, it’s my nature”.
Trumps rally crowd had no idea why he told this story every time.
___________________________________________________________________
Trump and his rally crowd believe the story is about immigrants. Specifically it was about letting in immigrants that turned out to be terrorists.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5001391/user-clip-trumps-snake
But, of course the notion that the DNC and HRC helped propel trump into office is more than likely correct. Without the help he got from the other side trump had little chance of winning.

Posted by: jinn | Feb 11 2022 15:49 utc | 284

@William Gruff #277:

Lots of claims in this thread about the Canadian truckers being Nazi fascist terrorist racist homophobe misogynists. Since I don’t consume corporate mass media would someone be so kind as to link any evidence that is being used to support this claim?

Sure. Here’s irrefutable evidence that the truckers are being directed personally by Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden and Bluebeard: video 1, video 2. I hope you have the decency to apologize to the bar for trying to whitewash the violent white men shown in these videos.

Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 15:50 utc | 285

@William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 14:51 utc | 277

Lots of claims in this thread about the Canadian truckers being Nazi fascist terrorist racist homophobe misogynists. Since I don’t consume corporate mass media would someone be so kind as to link any evidence that is being used to support this claim? I am just curious because the over-the-top hysteria being used against the truckers otherwise sounds like standard programmed wokebot synchronized chanting.

I am guessing it is someone from the Azov Battalion trying to find the office of Chrystia Freeland.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 15:52 utc | 286

Comments posted here about recent events in Ottawa and Wellington only show that none here are paying attention. If the only information you have is what legacy media present be assured that everything you know is false. That is what information operations are supposed to achieve. On this page it is plain the info ops have succeeded.
Of course many posters here are part of the op.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 11 2022 15:54 utc | 287

@William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 15:15 utc | 280

I apologize for so many questions, but could someone explain the rabid hate being displayed for the unvaxxed? I mean, if you are vaxxed then you are immune and safe and blessed by whatever deity you adhere to, and the unvaxxed are all just going to die anyway, so why the insane rage? Just kick back and revel in your own exceptional awesomeness instead of raging and driving your blood pressure through the roof.

It is cognitive dissonance. They subconciously know they have been fooled and are afraid of the consequences, but deny it to themselves. The anger is taken out on those who were not fooled.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 15:57 utc | 288

Gruff @ 280
So you put a DARPA product in your body and you expect a good result? Additional financing by Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein. This will end well.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 11 2022 15:58 utc | 289

@Jörgen Hassler | Feb 11 2022 15:31 utc | 281
Interesting… maybe that is a career ending comment. If you hear more of the same please keep us informed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 16:00 utc | 290

S @285
I knew it was something like that! The failure of the truckers to do anything racist is actually coded racism! Damn these clever Nazi drivers!

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:13 utc | 291

Norwegian @286: “I am guessing it is someone from the Azov Battalion trying to find the office of Chrystia Freeland.”
That explains the swastikas I keep hearing about.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:17 utc | 292

Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 15:50 utc | 285
I laughed out loud at the second video link you posted. If you look in the background, they’re playing street hockey. Only in Canada!!!

Posted by: Wook | Feb 11 2022 16:19 utc | 293

Norwegian @288: “It is cognitive dissonance…”
That’s what I figure as well, but I was hoping someone who is actually afflicted with the disorder would offer their rationalization. It would be… educational.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:26 utc | 294

Concerning China’s social credit system – CSC
Comment reply:
I do think you have no real clue how the CSC actually works, and how transparent the whole system has been set-up, and also being under constant public scrutiny which leads to necessary changes and
improvents.
Besides, the overall data security is far better than in the USA, there’re websites, offices, Weibo-accounts to get in touch with to clear possible moot points and other issues or problems. Will there be a trial the local goverment must cover those costs, the lawyer is your choice.
Go there to get an impression by an American who’s for more than 15 years in CHN
https://metallicman.com/chinas-social-scoring-system-as-used-to-control-coronavirus-outbreaks-a-first-hand-account/
You can comment and ask some questions or for some links for a better understanding.
Also, go to WEIBO, use your browser’s translation funktion, search for CSC and read what those netiziens experienced.
Meanwhile in the USA:
Mass (“bulk”) surveillance has been carried out “entirely outside the statutory framework, and without any judicial, congressional or even executive branch oversight. The nature and full extent was withheld even from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.”
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BREAKING: Newly declassified documents reveal that the CIA has been secretly conducting massive surveillance programs that capture Americans’ private information.
And they’re not alone!!
NSA, Google, Twitter, FaceBook, all credit card corporations, your social
security number system, all insurance companies, the health care system, all goverments, local or federal, 17 intelligence organisations, including their secretive stuff of over 26,000 agents, the FBI and so on and forth… they all share some interests in your personal data.
And they get it according to certain scandals and Mr. Snowden.
I think Stasi-USA isn’t any fantasy any longer.

Posted by: MD | Feb 11 2022 16:39 utc | 295

@ William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:26 utc | 294 who is trying to understand our current zombies and their cognitive dissonance
The latest reaction I got from a contractor who just left my employ was that if I didn’t wear a mask I was disrespecting him. He has been the only contractor over the past two years that regularly wore a mask and expected and asked me to ask others to wear them as well…these are trade folk, electricians, plumbers, equipment operators and the couple of them I am still in contact with are getting angry at the mask wearers….me, I am just the piano player trying to get folks to do things my 73 year old body shouldn’t do anymore…..Last Monday I and another contractor had our masks on in the morning but after lunch and still eating crackers I forgot mine to go to another building and do something which set him off.
Another experience I have had with a long time friend is that he now talks about things and people triggering him and he is mentioning in our conversations now when he is triggered….and our conversations end shortly thereafter.
Other people just stare at you like you are dirt and should go away….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 16:49 utc | 296

Okay, I’ll bite. William Gruff @ 180 – a compilation of what you are seeking in the below Tweet.
https://twitter.com/AnneYMous1/status/1492165951818809350?s=20&t=R9hPwhrzJ55JiDHfhHnUSQ

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 16:57 utc | 297

oldhippie @289: “This will end well.”
Or not. In any case, despite the claims by some that “They are trying to kill us all!”, I am confident that many among the oligarchy’s elites realize that even if they want to “Thin the herds” they will still need a workforce. I am sure they would arrange things so that a sufficiently large workforce is preserved by making available a vaccine that the smarter, and thus more valuable, ones will seek out.
I don’t actually believe that scenario. Rather, I ascribe to the scenario where the seeding of the virus in China was a colossally bad idea by a small clique in the oligarchy of incompetent and “diverse” phuquetards with enormously overinflated opinions of themselves. In this scenario the production of the vaccines was a genuine, if incompetent, effort to limit the damage that the rogue spooks had unintentionally inflicted on the empire itself.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:00 utc | 298

@ MD | Feb 11 2022 16:39 utc | 295 who wrote

I think Stasi-USA isn’t any fantasy any longer.

In 2004, a person with a valid CIA email address called my 800 number and purchased one of my bike saddles. At the end of the conversation he told me I shouldn’t be making disparaging remarks about the then president in international phone calls.
I don’t hide behind my moniker. It takes you directly to me. I have been a techie since 1969 and know how computers and networks operate……Stasi-West has been real for quite some time.
And yeah, I roll my eyes at those saying China’s very public social scoring system is BAD!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 17:04 utc | 299

Bruised Northerner @297
Just curious; would I be a genocidal Nazi homophobe terrorist if I said “Fuck Trudeau!”?
Just want to know how loose our definitions are here.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:17 utc | 300