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February 9, 2022
Open Thread 2022-12
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@Eighthman #198
Also: absolute value GDP is not a great comparator. China may have a GDP on par with the US, but China’s population is 4.2 time bigger. So it means the average Chinese is 4.2 times poorer than the average American in cash terms. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 10 2022 18:32 utc | 201 @c1ue | Feb 10 2022 16:07 utc | 187 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 10 2022 18:42 utc | 202 dan of steele | Feb 10 2022 8:46 utc | 146 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:43 utc | 203 rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:43 utc | 203 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 18:50 utc | 204 The western press, over the last few days, has been addressing the Minsk agreements in context of their renewed relevance in terms of diplomatic negotiations seeking to resolve at least the tensions within Ukraine itself. The central disagreement with the “meaning” of the Minsk document is over the agency of the population within the Donetsk / Lugansk regions, and correspondingly the legitimacy of their position as negotiated. Essentially, the Ukrainian position – or at least that endorsed by the west – is that the breakaway regions are controlled entirely by Russia and that granting political representation to the regions is the equivalent of allowing a hostile foreign entity gain influence in the country’s parliament. This position also insists all the trouble started with the “invasion” and “annexation” of Crimea, and that the previous “popular uprising” enjoyed universal support within the country at large. This position also seems to reflect merely the relatively extreme views of a minority within the country at large – outsized in influence due to support from competing foreign interests (opposed to Russia). Their simplistic and counter-factual narrative is what needs to be overcome. Posted by: jayc | Feb 10 2022 19:13 utc | 205 @ no body counts | Feb 10 2022 16:57 utc | 193 Posted by: Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206 Stonebird @166 I think the big difference is the lack of an EU governing structure in Canada. Not that their aren’t enough powerful interests from elsewhere represented here, but what is being seen with this Maple Leaf Revolution (per Martyanov) or Freedom Convoy is that the central government can be weakened. Presumably, this may be with the intent to elevate a pre-selected chosen few to power. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 19:30 utc | 207 C1ue @ 199: Posted by: Jen | Feb 10 2022 19:34 utc | 208 Per my post @207, Gretchen Whitmer as leader of Michigan… my apologies, and also it’s Elizabeth May from the Green Party who was speaking in Parliament in that 2-minute video I linked to not Canadian figure skater from the ‘88 Olympics, Elizabeth Manley. Sorry, walking, chewing gum. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 19:41 utc | 209 Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 19:49 utc | 210 The Canadian Convoy is the most important protest action in decades; obviously inspired by, but far more significant than, the gilets jaunes in France! I am stunned that this movement has arisen in Canada and even more amazed at how organised and disciplined the truckers and their supporters are. Posted by: ADKC | Feb 10 2022 19:54 utc | 211 Impfstopp | Feb 10 2022 19:29 utc | 206 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 19:59 utc | 212 @ c1ue | Feb 10 2022 18:22 utc | 199… thanks for the free matt taibbi article on the truckers.. as for trudeau having covid and having to isolate which has been reported by the canuck msm, i have little doubt that is true, regardless of the appearance of him running away and hiding – which is also what he is doing here… the 5 day quarentine thing is already pasted as i understand it, but he will not be meeting the truckers regardless of covid, or no covid.. Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 20:09 utc | 213 james made the point, as many others have before, that anything divisive works in favour of the ruling class Posted by: Rae | Feb 10 2022 20:44 utc | 214 Per my ill wishes for Gretchen Whitmer… I should know better than to try to influence the editorial policy of the Beaverton. To both: I’m sorry. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 10 2022 21:03 utc | 215 I have not seen it reported here but ZH has a posting up from an Anti war author reporting the the US is sending F-22’s to help protect UAE from Yemen….back into that “war”…. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2022 21:10 utc | 216 Thank you @uncle tungsten | Feb 9 2022 23:42 utc | 74 Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 10 2022 21:10 utc | 217 re: Americans in Ukraine Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2022 21:30 utc | 218 Everyone can watch live right now (1:30 pm PST) Feb 10 on YouTube of Ukraine getting another 200 million dollars of weapons from the USA. Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2022 21:32 utc | 219 every business in the US has chafed at any attempts, like mask mandates, to protect people. the larger businesses, Wal Mart, Tesla, etc., have done everything they can to undermine anything that would interrupt in the slightest their business operations. even masks are too much, because they remind people that something is wrong, which makes them less likely to spend money. not a one hesitates for one second when state authorities loosen or end any restrictions. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 21:33 utc | 220 Thank You so Much to all who watched the Convoy Team Posted by: ld | Feb 10 2022 21:43 utc | 221 Would Russia military be welcomed into the separatist areas of Ukraine or would it have to fight its way in? Posted by: jared | Feb 10 2022 21:53 utc | 222 Vintage Red #217
Thank you and, yes that was a mighty good line for a laugh. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 223 @ Jared 222 Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 224 rjb1.5 #many Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:03 utc | 225 lex talionis #219 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:09 utc | 226 @ rjb1.5 | Feb 10 2022 21:33 utc | 220… here are some words from an epidemiologist… what do you think? Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:12 utc | 227 @ Rae | Feb 10 2022 20:44 utc | 214… thanks… maintaining a paradoxical position is not for the faint of heart… most people are much more comfortable holding to a position that refuses to consider the other side of the position…. in a sense you are breaking with this long habit of human nature that has a tendency to want to keep a closed mind or hold to only one position, until they are presented with new realities whereby they have to redefine their previous position… Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:16 utc | 228 Rae it’s nothing to worry about but I’m wondering if perhaps you’re replying to another commenter concerning COVID? Otherwise I’m missing something (but then again I’m more tired than usual right now lol). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 10 2022 22:16 utc | 229 @ld | Feb 10 2022 21:43 utc | 221
Thank you for posting. My respect for the Canadian people who are protesting is growing by the minute. I wish for a peaceful resolution, remove the mandates and digital ids. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2022 22:19 utc | 230 Fargin Hilarious Posted by: ld | Feb 10 2022 22:23 utc | 231 And wow James that’s a brilliant comment you shared there, very informative at least to me, I had never heard of Marek’s disease before and the Wikipedia page on it also looks good or at least decent for those interested. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 10 2022 22:28 utc | 232 @ 229 sunny runny burger.. it might have been off the first page post of yours @ Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 9 2022 22:24 utc | 57… thanks for your commentary! Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:28 utc | 233 – thanks sunny runny burger… i am curious to hear a response from rjb1.5 if one is going to be had! Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 22:30 utc | 234 @uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:01 utc | 223 Posted by: @uncle tungsten | Fe | Feb 10 2022 22:31 utc | 235 ^^^ don’t know how the post-error but the above was mine, Vintage Red Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 10 2022 22:32 utc | 236 Ma Laoshi #170 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 22:33 utc | 237 Are you a Terrorist? Posted by: librul | Feb 10 2022 22:50 utc | 238 james #227 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 23:18 utc | 239 @ uncle tungsten… thanks… i agree with you in all that @ 238.. we’ll see how it goes for trudeau here forward.. i suspect a rocky month of february for him.. Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 23:52 utc | 241 Rae #214
Yes but then single strand virus are notorious for rapid mutation. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 10 2022 23:59 utc | 242 More anti-mandate protesters and more police arrive at the NZ parliament precinct: Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 0:34 utc | 243 Uncle T @238…one of the few groups left in Canada that is anti Apartheid and supports Palestine’s right to statehood are Unions. How many workers in Canada that are Union workers, front line, cops, Mounties (old black faces’ personal security detail quit) nurses, ems, doctors, and yes, truckers have lost their jobs due to Mandate Madness? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 1:03 utc | 244 Whether dissent is astroturfed by insidious forces or not, the challenge for us ordinary people is how to come together to establish peace and justice for all despite our callous overseerers. Posted by: suzan | Feb 11 2022 2:01 utc | 245 Loaded and interacted with thousands of truckers over 38 yrs in warehousing. Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 2:37 utc | 246 @ suzan | Feb 11 2022 2:01 utc | 244… the divisiveness here in canada might be similar… i pick some of it up on cbc in the comments section… people are generally divided over covid and the mandates and etc. etc… the trucker convoy is testimony to this i suppose.. and i do think the politicians seem to thrive on taking advantage of these types of divisions among ordinary people.. sometimes in fact, the language politicians use is very unhelpful.. this is a criticism that has been leveled at trudeau over everything happening now too… Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 2:41 utc | 247 rjb15 Posted by: ld | Feb 11 2022 2:41 utc | 248 @ vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 2:37 utc | 245 did you watch the video Id linked to earlier?? give it a try and tell me what you think.. thanks.. Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 2:44 utc | 249 @Suzan, #244: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 11 2022 2:54 utc | 250 James @ 248; Yep, I watched it. Big organized $ is funding this new astroturf group aka “the truckers” Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:34 utc | 251 When so-called “grass roots” demos are well-funded,. buyer beware/…. Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:36 utc | 252 @james #227 Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 3:56 utc | 253 I see the stage being set for the “perfect storm” of economic happenstance that causes the global markets meltdown. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 3:58 utc | 254 @ vetinLA | Feb 11 2022 3:34 utc | 250… thanks for taking a look and replying to me…. i respectfully disagree and see this differently.. cheers.. Posted by: james | Feb 11 2022 4:26 utc | 255 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2022 20:09 utc | 213
Hugo is describing how a final charge uphill of the French cavalry at Napoleon’s command (he had already sent to Paris that the battle was won) did not know the British position was protected by a deep, hidden, ravine-like road traversing the battlefield, untill they were upon it… Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 5:31 utc | 256 @c1ue #184 Posted by: TN | Feb 11 2022 5:51 utc | 257 Thank you, Paul @ 242: Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 6:19 utc | 258 Ah, Wellington, and they have turned on the sprinklers so there’s flooding, very muddy…another Waterloo perhaps? Must be my kiwi blood, or it’s just past my bedtime…courage, chaps; courage, police trainees! Posted by: juliania | Feb 11 2022 6:27 utc | 259 I come from a real libertarian anarchist subculture since I was a boy. Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 9:37 utc | 260 @TN #256 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:36 utc | 261 Does this mean Pfizrael has had a split? Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:37 utc | 263 @James #213 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 10:40 utc | 264 Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 9:37 utc | 259 Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 11:46 utc | 265 librul | 200 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 11 2022 11:51 utc | 266 @uncle tungsten #133 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 12:29 utc | 267 Hi to the bar. I’m still zipping it ‘cept to post this bit of info on prairie province, Saskatchewan. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 12:32 utc | 268 Sorry here’s the letter — Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 12:44 utc | 269 Wrt truckers: Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 11 2022 12:58 utc | 270 Pleasebeleafme@269 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 13:21 utc | 271 @Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 11 2022 12:58 utc | 269 Posted by: librul | Feb 11 2022 13:30 utc | 273 @Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 11 2022 13:21 utc | 270 Posted by: librul | Feb 11 2022 13:37 utc | 274 Hubert Horan continues his excellent series on the ongoing grift that is ride sharing:
So to summarize: Posted by: c1ue | Feb 11 2022 13:40 utc | 275 See? I assured everyone that that Circe and King Donkey Rear .org (with new aliases… donkeyrear was never shy about multiple posts under different aliases to masturbate with and give himself the appearance of a fan club) would be back once election season got under way again in the US, and here they are! Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 13:43 utc | 276 librul | 200 Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 14:29 utc | 277 Lots of claims in this thread about the Canadian truckers being Nazi fascist terrorist racist homophobe misogynists. Since I don’t consume corporate mass media would someone be so kind as to link any evidence that is being used to support this claim? I am just curious because the over-the-top hysteria being used against the truckers otherwise sounds like standard programmed wokebot synchronized chanting. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 14:51 utc | 278 The loud and persistent call from the Wellington NZ protesters is “Kia Kaha”, this can not be adequately translated, say, ‘stay strong.’ Posted by: Paul | Feb 11 2022 15:07 utc | 279 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-washington-has-lost-its-mind-over-ukraine-200513?page=0%2C1 Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 11 2022 15:08 utc | 280 I apologize for so many questions, but could someone explain the rabid hate being displayed for the unvaxxed? I mean, if you are vaxxed then you are immune and safe and blessed by whatever deity you adhere to, and the unvaxxed are all just going to die anyway, so why the insane rage? Just kick back and revel in your own exceptional awesomeness instead of raging and driving your blood pressure through the roof. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 15:15 utc | 281 Times they are a-changin’, again. Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 11 2022 15:31 utc | 282 “..As for donkeyrear (with a new alias! See if you can spot him in this thread!), ..” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 13:43 utc | 275 Posted by: tucenz | Feb 11 2022 15:34 utc | 283 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 11 2022 11:51 utc | 265 Posted by: jinn | Feb 11 2022 15:49 utc | 284 @William Gruff #277:
Sure. Here’s irrefutable evidence that the truckers are being directed personally by Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden and Bluebeard: video 1, video 2. I hope you have the decency to apologize to the bar for trying to whitewash the violent white men shown in these videos. Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 15:50 utc | 285 @William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 14:51 utc | 277
I am guessing it is someone from the Azov Battalion trying to find the office of Chrystia Freeland. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 15:52 utc | 286 Comments posted here about recent events in Ottawa and Wellington only show that none here are paying attention. If the only information you have is what legacy media present be assured that everything you know is false. That is what information operations are supposed to achieve. On this page it is plain the info ops have succeeded. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 11 2022 15:54 utc | 287 @William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 15:15 utc | 280
It is cognitive dissonance. They subconciously know they have been fooled and are afraid of the consequences, but deny it to themselves. The anger is taken out on those who were not fooled. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 15:57 utc | 288 Gruff @ 280 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 11 2022 15:58 utc | 289 @Jörgen Hassler | Feb 11 2022 15:31 utc | 281 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 11 2022 16:00 utc | 290 S @285 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:13 utc | 291 Norwegian @286: “I am guessing it is someone from the Azov Battalion trying to find the office of Chrystia Freeland.” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:17 utc | 292 Posted by: S | Feb 11 2022 15:50 utc | 285 Posted by: Wook | Feb 11 2022 16:19 utc | 293 Norwegian @288: “It is cognitive dissonance…” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:26 utc | 294 Concerning China’s social credit system – CSC Posted by: MD | Feb 11 2022 16:39 utc | 295 @ William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 16:26 utc | 294 who is trying to understand our current zombies and their cognitive dissonance Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 16:49 utc | 296 Okay, I’ll bite. William Gruff @ 180 – a compilation of what you are seeking in the below Tweet. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 11 2022 16:57 utc | 297 oldhippie @289: “This will end well.” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:00 utc | 298 @ MD | Feb 11 2022 16:39 utc | 295 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 17:04 utc | 299 Bruised Northerner @297 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 11 2022 17:17 utc | 300 |
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