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February 17, 2022

Media Studies - ('Russian Invasion' Scam)

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The Hill @thehill - 9:32 PM · Feb 3, 2022

Reporter: “It’s an action that you say they have taken, but you have shown no evidence to confirm that. [...] This is like - crisis actors? Really? This is like Alex Jones territory you’re getting into now.”

Must-watch exchange between @APDiploWriter Matt Lee and @StateDeptSpox.
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> The U.S. intelligence briefing included specific reference to next Wednesday, February 16, as a start date for the ground invasion, three officials — based in Washington, London and Ukraine — told POLITICO. <
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> The prospect of a Russian invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 16 was always overhyped. The time frame to really keep an eye on is what happens shortly after Feb. 20. <
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> After decades of getting schooled in information warfare by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, the United States is trying to beat the master at his own game.
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Biden administration officials said they had a narrower and more realistic goal: They want to make it more difficult for Mr. Putin to justify an invasion with lies, undercutting his standing on the global stage and building support for a tougher response.

Intelligence agencies, prodded by the White House, have declassified information, which in turn has been briefed to Congress, shared with reporters and discussed by Pentagon and State Department spokesmen.
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For all the disclosures, the Biden administration has provided no evidence of the disinformation plots they say they have uncovered. <

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Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe - 13:56 UTC · Feb 16, 2022

With all the alarm about a Russian invasion of Ukraine, it's important to keep in mind that the alarm itself, and using the U.S. media to keep the alarm ringing, is part of the Biden admin's strategy to keep pressure on the Kremlin. It IS the strategy.
Putin on the Brink… of What, Exactly?

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Melinda Haring @melindaharing - 19:25 UTC · Feb 11, 2022

Putin has big weekend plans in Ukraine: 1) he's going to cut power and heat, knock out Ukrainian navy and air force, kill general staff and hit them with cyber attack; 2) then install pro-Russian president and 3) resort to full-scale military invasion if Ukraine doesn't give in

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Melinda Haring @melindaharing - 13:04 UTC · Feb 14, 2022

Emotions running high and I let them get the better of me. I still expect action this week but Putin may drag this out. We still don't know. Bottom line is that I recognize that I need to be more judicious.

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Melinda Haring @melindaharing - 12:40 UTC · Feb 15, 2022

We’ve been so focused on Russian troops and tanks that we missed Moscow’s strategy: strangle Ukraine’s economy and sap the resolve of its people.
The West Is Falling for Putin’s Real Play in Ukraine

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> [Halyna] Yanchenko is a Deputy Head in Ukraine’s “Servant of the People” political faction, which has a majority in parliament and was founded by current president Volodymyr Zelensky.
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“In our opinion, all these crazy things going on in American media and world media — all these appeals to diplomats and business to pack their bags and leave Ukraine immediately — it really harms Ukrainian economy,” she said. “I’m stopping myself from starting using curse words, because all these panics are costing us a lot of money. A lot of money to actually keep, you know, business and services circulating in Ukraine. Because that’s the worst that can happen now.”
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According to Yanchenko, the risk of Russian invasion is “minimal… it’s not that much.” Whereas the economy cratering thanks in large part to US agitation is observably happening, right now. “So if we are talking about military situation,” she said, “we are talking only about possible risks — it might happen or it might not happen — but if we are talking about economic consequences, the worst thing already happened. And now we have to react to this and do something in order to keep the state alive.”
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> I’m watching it now… the soviet nationwide anthem simply began enjoying on the fucking sq.’s audio system. I am not even kidding. ... <
Reuters Live - View of Maidan square in Kyiv
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> After days marked by flickers of hope that the conflict might be resolved peacefully, a senior American official, who refused to be quoted by name, told reporters that far from winding down its deployment, Moscow had added more than 7,000 combatants. Western allies expressed similar doubts about the Russian claims.
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To some extent, the battle between the West and Moscow over Ukraine has been one of signaling. To keep international pressure on Russia high, the United States has repeatedly declared that an invasion was near, even imminent. Moscow, in turn, has repeatedly accused Washington of exaggerating the threat.
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Maria V. Zakharova, the Foreign Ministry’s often caustic spokeswoman, said she would appreciate U.S. and British news outlets publishing the schedules for Russia’s “invasions” in the coming year, because “I’d like to plan my vacation.” <
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> West's policies, as I am on record, are not conducted for the sake of development of own nations or of international relations. They are conducted for PR purposes only, as a means to an end of retaining political power for a variety of reasons ranging from desire to have it for the sake of it or for comfortable retirement paid in all kinds of cash and favors in exchange for proper political plays. <
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Each of the above chapters deserves its own write-up. But alas - so many lies, so little time ...

Posted by b on February 17, 2022 at 11:09 UTC | Permalink

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Caitlin Johnstone has a new article on this. I just figure every day is Russian Invasion day, it's the only safe strategy. now where did I put that Acme fallout shelter?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 17 2022 11:31 utc | 1

The playing of the Soviet national anthem on the live stream from Kiev was 4chan trolling, they also had someone go down and Morse code memes by flashing their headlights

Posted by: TJA | Feb 17 2022 11:41 utc | 2

The thing to do is not get caught up in the tsunami wave after wave and get rolled and mashed by it. But to catch the wave and surf it to safety.

The spooks and their media fronts are at it at the risible Guardian today


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/us-uk-russia-invasion-ingelligence-public-briefings

“US and UK trying to fend off Russian invasion by making intelligence public
Washington and London holding regular briefings and hoping to rob Putin of element of surprise
Julian Borger in Washington and Dan Sabbagh in London “

Claims the projecting vomit of the Guardian rag without addressing that making something ‘public’ means revealing EVIDENCE that was previously ‘private’.

“US and British officials have repeatedly said the ultimate decision to attack or not will be Putin’s alone, and even he may be leaving it to the last moment to make up his mind. If the decision is indeed on a knife-edge, the thinking goes, any small factor, such as taking away the surprise element and the satisfaction of catching the west off guard, could make a difference.”

Yuk - that is probably the worst attempt at an excuse for lying since violet elizabeth screamed and screamed until she made herself sick ( a naughty schoolboy Just William reference much lauded to the English middle classes as part of their training)

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 17 2022 11:58 utc | 3

I don’t think we should ignore that the great Shoygu went to Syria yesterday instead of overseeing the invasion or false flag in Ukraine. Seeing even the CIA running away from Kiev must have tickled the Information Warriors.

The main even is taking place with the Russian and Nato fleets in the Med. Shoygu ain’t there just to oversee some ‘drills’.

So far some close interceptions of US action coordinating aircraft. I doubt the Israelis will be able to launch another airborne attack over Syrian territory. And there is a crew of the Russian jet to avenge still. Which nato hero wants the short straw?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 17 2022 12:07 utc | 4

And while the world is focusing on the invasion that wasn’t Justin Trudeau is imposing pure, unadulterated tyranny in Canada.

Posted by: DG | Feb 17 2022 12:31 utc | 5

We seem to have reached the point where every Western press account of the "imminent invasion" must begin with the words "Once upon a time..."

Posted by: loftwork | Feb 17 2022 12:31 utc | 6

As I mentioned before, key nations in the global game are Turkey and Pakistan. Erdogan just sold out to the wealthy sheikh of Abu Dhabi for a $18bn investment … US sanctions are painful. Strengthens the Abraham Accords. Coming a NATO-ME.

Spheres of influence ..
https://cepa.org/a-china-strategy/

The Kissinger doctrine was to divide the Soviet Union and China.

The Biden doctrine is to cut European economic ties with Russia … all US choices have failed and backfired. Nice.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 17 2022 12:45 utc | 7

So far some close interceptions of US action coordinating aircraft. I doubt the Israelis will be able to launch another airborne attack over Syrian territory. And there is a crew of the Russian jet to avenge still. Which nato hero wants the short straw?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 17 2022 12:07 utc | 4

Yes, the Izzies just resorted to a ballistic missile. I have a feeling Lebanon won't be safe for their jets now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 12:45 utc | 8

The Guardian:

” Little has changed on the ground near Ukraine’s borders, however.”

So that means that there won’t be an invasion tomorrow either, I guess.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 17 2022 12:50 utc | 9

The people waiting over 2000 years for the Second Coming still haven't figured out that the joke is on them. Religion always works this way.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 17 2022 12:51 utc | 10

Re: Posted by: DG | Feb 17 2022 12:31 utc | 5

And while the world is focusing on the invasion that wasn’t Justin Trudeau is imposing pure, unadulterated tyranny in Canada.

Surely if you are a Canadian reading this - you have already WITHDRAWAN all your money from the Corrupt Canadian Banking System.

If you haven't - you are basically giving your assent to your money being stolen from you at some stage.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 17 2022 13:28 utc | 11

The only thing preventing the next Iraq war is the desire of U.S. govt officials not to have one yet. Our useful idiots in our MSM are already prepared for a new one.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Feb 17 2022 13:47 utc | 12

Russia's "information warfare" is to tell the truth, abide by international law, and honor international treaties.

Posted by: Edward | Feb 17 2022 13:50 utc | 13

I had to laugh at Jens Stoltenberg’s comment at his Nato press briefing when he said we cannot go back to the days of allowing nation powers to attack or bully smaller nations.

Meanwhile as Nato push their warmongering propaganda.

Brit living in Ukraine says that Ukrainians are more concerned with the Eurovision Song Contest than a Russian invasion. Daniel Williams form the Isle of Wight (45) added that Ukrainians are more excited about champions League Football than what Russia is doing.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 17 2022 13:52 utc | 14

Alex Mercouris in his latest video promulgates an interesting theory....

"Ukraine is being divided as we speak. This is indicated by the shift of NATO embassies from Kiev
to Lvov. Zelensky himself has been advised to relocate himself and his government to Lvov.
Does this mean that NATO intends to hang onto a "rump" Ukrainian/Galician state consisting of those territories taken from Poland at the end of WWII by Stalin?"

Will the future bring a mass shift of the UkroNazi forces westward to positions along the Deniester - Bug line?

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 17 2022 13:55 utc | 15

That shitrag the Guardian newspaper now reporting that Russia is shelling.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-crisis-nato-fears-russia-trying-to-stage-pretext-for-attack-after-reports-of-multiple-shelling-incidents-live/ar-AATY4WR?ocid=msedgntp

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 17 2022 13:58 utc | 16

"Foreign Policy" of the US reminds me of Mr. Furious in the movie "Mystery Men". Impotent* rage, not self-aware, gives comedic effect.

Where are the spoofs, I ask you?

* At the end of the movie, finally, Mr. Furious discovers his inner tiger, IIRC.

Posted by: metamars | Feb 17 2022 14:02 utc | 17

Amazon has removed Black Lives Matter from its charity platform AmazonSmile amid growing concern over the organization’s lack of financial transparency.

Tomorrow, in response, BLM is expected to announce the creation of their own currency.
The basic denomination will be one $Loot.
The $Loot will be backed not by fiat or gold or silver, but by goods stored for BLM
in shops like Neiman Marcus.

"The beauty of $Loot," said a US intelligence official, who spoke anonymously because he/she is not authorized,
"is that $Loot is unaffected by inflationary pressures, because as the value of goods stored in shops goes up,
so does the value of each $Loot."

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2022 14:04 utc | 18

A bank run is happening in Canada that has forced 5(?) major banks to close their doors , temporarily, after the government threatened to freeze the bank accounts of anyone who supported the Truckers whilst mentioning that they have been keeping tabs on everyone donating to the Truckers.

I certainly didn’t learn this from the MSM. Instead we get ……. Russia…..invasion…….Ukraine……..blah….blah….blah

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2022 14:13 utc | 19

Love the Russian humor

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-claims-no-immediate-plans-113948196.html

Posted by: jo6pac | Feb 17 2022 14:18 utc | 20

Russia's "information warfare" is to tell the truth, abide by international law, and honor international treaties.

and to meticulously observe international borders unless there are ethnic Russians living on the other side of it...then the principle of Self-Determination takes precedent.

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Feb 17 2022 14:37 utc | 21

Yahoo: “…could come as early as Wednesday…”

Since the conflict got going in 2014, just what makes Wednesday ‘early’?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 17 2022 14:41 utc | 22

My Yahoo Newsfeed this morning included a link with a headline like "Russian Separatists in Eastern Ukraine shell Kindergarten". (Yahoo seems to have removed it from the feed, but it was prolly this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/world/europe/stanytsia-lushankya-shelling.html )

This looks like a logical extension of the US/MSM propaganda strategery, designed to create public support for the original plan: Ukraine/CIA "invasion" of Donbass.

Posted by: elkern | Feb 17 2022 14:46 utc | 23

Please excuse this OT. Here's another scam that just occurred. The U.S. media destroyed the medal chances of the top Russian skater at the Olympics, beating down relentlessly for two weeks on the 15-year old until she broke today under the monumental pressure and failed to medal. They literally destroyed her spirit one day at a time hour by hour. I feel sick at the ugliness of the evil campaign to dethrone her.

Are you satisfied now that your poison worked; herd of hating hyenas?

The U.S. didn't even have the talent to medal in the women's event, so they had to tear down this emerging prodigy to improve their chances. Thank God there were zip medals for American women as two other great Russian skaters won gold and silver and a Japanese woman moved up to bronze after Valieva was downgraded to 4th with her heartbreaking performance.

But on a good note, the U.S. skier the media were hyping and pumping every day got zip in every event.

There is at least some justice, but damn them all!

Hopefully, Valieva can have the skate of her life at Worlds in March and prove this:

https://youtu.be/PstrAfoMKlc

She's stronger than the haters.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 17 2022 14:48 utc | 24

China's tacit approval of Russia has been noted with alarm by General Austin, SecDef:
..from DefenseOne:

Austin confirmed that some of those additional forces have come from Russia’s far eastern border with China.
“We did note with alarm China’s tacit approval of Putin’s activities here in the region,” Austin said. “Certainly those are things we are going to watch going forward.” . .here
Stupid general hasn't kept up:
"Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the International Relations Entering a New Era and the Global Sustainable Development"
Wach THAT "going forward," dumbass.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2022 14:50 utc | 25

diplomacy is just a continuation of war by other means...

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Feb 17 2022 14:51 utc | 26

BREAKING — Russia expels deputy US ambassador as Ukraine crisis escalates
Russia has asked deputy US ambassador in Moscow Bartle Gorman to leave the country.

This snippet across a number of outlets.
Anyone got more details.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 17 2022 14:53 utc | 27

@ Circe 23
OT's suck. . .they are only distractions.. . please wait for the open

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2022 14:53 utc | 28

@ elkern 22
Russian Separatists in Eastern Ukraine shell Kindergarten
Yes . ..how many kindergartens has the US aerial bombed and shelled over the years? That NEVER makes the news.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2022 14:56 utc | 29

Russian Foreign Ministry website is down. Probably cyber attack.

Looks like things are starting to move very fast.

Posted by: comandante | Feb 17 2022 15:15 utc | 30

@Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 17 2022 13:55 utc | 15

>>Ukraine is being divided as we speak.
Just a few days ago, we discussed this option here: the retreats are the policy, most everything else the smoke screen (but hey if those stupid Krauts kill their own NS2 over it, we ain't complaining). The Empire loves its Balkanization/Yinon plan etc, always has.

Well, as soon as Biden promised he'd sit at the head of the table and lead the lesser races, the Euros were elated at this chance to serve as they'd always done, now that that silly Trump was gone. Doesn't seem to have been much inquiry to where exactly he planned to "lead" them. The Ukies in particular have always been adamant since 2014 that they'd serve unconditionally; so now bend over and shut up.

If it'll go like this, I hope the Taiwanese will be watching with great interest.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 17 2022 15:18 utc | 31

Joe's on top of it:
...from TheHill, minutes ago

President Biden on Thursday said that he believes Russia will invade Ukraine in the next several days, noting that Russia has added more troops to the border.
“Yes, I do,” Biden told reporters when asked if Russia will go through with the invasion. “My sense is it will happen within the next several days.”. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2022 15:19 utc | 32

In response to Dr. George W Oprisko@15,

That could help explain the last-second organization of the new national holiday of Ukrainian unity by Zelensky. He's trying to hoodwink the Americans into believing that all regions of Ukraine are as "patriotic" and right-thinking as Galicia–Volhynia with a cheap TV production. I've now heard some first hand accounts from Ukrainian acquaintances who work in the public sector that they were ordered to participate in the "festivities" as part of their day-to-day work assignment, which came as no surprise to me, and they are quite obviously very resentful about it but can't afford to take a principled stand.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 17 2022 15:20 utc | 33

I wonder if they will start naming the invasion days using the letters of the Greek alphabet- invasion day Alph, Beta, ...Omicron... like other fear points that is peddled?

Kudos to psychohistorian for calling the Syrian theater as the real confrontation zone 2 weeks ago. Seems Shoigu agrees. Do you have a prophetic streak in you??

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 17 2022 15:27 utc | 34

@33

Correction - ' like other fear porn that is peddled '

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 17 2022 15:29 utc | 35

Still blocking?

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2022 15:30 utc | 36

@Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2022 14:13 utc | 18

A bank run is happening in Canada that has forced 5(?) major banks to close their doors , temporarily, after the government threatened to freeze the bank accounts of anyone who supported the Truckers whilst mentioning that they have been keeping tabs on everyone donating to the Truckers.

I certainly didn’t learn this from the MSM. Instead we get ……. Russia…..invasion…….Ukraine……..blah….blah….blah

Wonder if the US banks know I contributed to MoA?
Of course they do.

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2022 15:33 utc | 37

It is not over until the fat lady sings. Fresh reports of shelling across the line of contact in Donbas. Reports I am seeing say it began with mortars from the Ukrainian side. But he said she said and fog of war.

There are too many independent players involved. Much of the artillery is manned by mercs just because the Ukies have few skilled and sober soldiers. CIA is also operational. Militias (Interior Ministry command or CIA command or oligarch command or no command?) have artillery.

Petri Krohn posted a couple days back that CIA was relocating to Lviv. On the Polish border. Have seen since several reports that it is so. That by itself would indicate a big drawdown in hostilities and conceivably even a surrender. Field operatives could see it different.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 17 2022 15:36 utc | 38

@DG | Feb 17 2022 12:31 utc | 5

And while the world is focusing on the invasion that wasn’t Justin Trudeau is imposing pure, unadulterated tyranny in Canada.

The focus is on the non-invasion because the agenda you refer to is collapsing everywhere because it cannot be sustained.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 15:38 utc | 39

@Republicofscotland | Feb 17 2022 13:52 utc | 14

I had to laugh at Jens Stoltenberg’s comment at his Nato press briefing when he said we cannot go back to the days of allowing nation powers to attack or bully smaller nations.

Maybe we should thank the quisling Stoltenberg for showing the world that NATO is a hypocritical, criminal organisation lead by complete puppets.

I think it should be clear to all that NATO needs to be dissolved.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 15:44 utc | 40

Seems quite apparent, and usual, the US doubles down on failure each and every time, which is precisely why the US is a failed state politically, financially, socially and morally.

There won't be 'invasion', but war is a certainty.

Since the US and its vassals have been embarrassed by its war-mongering hysteria, instead of introspection, compromise and progress toward the 'peace' it makes impossible, ol' dead-eyes Joe and his zombie foreign policy, continues apace to provoke, cajole and false-flag its way to victory, which in "American" eyes looks like one single bullet/rocket/missile/rock slung from Russian territory.

Biden 'senses' his victory is imminent. Ameri-cia never loses, especially when it does.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 17 2022 15:46 utc | 41

”Russia-Ukraine live updates: Biden believes Putin will go forward with invasion
He told reporters he thought an invasion could happen within days.” ABC

That clearly shows this whole thing wasn’t for domestic consumption: he could have claimed victory but he didn’t.

Is he really going for the whole ns2/swift thing? Or is worse, are those nuts really planning to do something? Is the aim not control over but war in Europe?

For the first time during this fake crisis am getting a bit worried .

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 17 2022 15:47 utc | 42

"Each of the above chapters deserves its own write-up. But alas - so many lies, so little time ..."

Indeed. Mercouris has just reported on the exodus from Kyiv, particularly oligarchs, but also parliamentarians. Meanwhile Z firmly declares he's staying, which hints at pressure to leave.

A change in government coming? Is the "false flag" an event to promote the removal of the less than reliable Z? Too early to say. But, it does look rather worrying.

Posted by: yesxorno | Feb 17 2022 15:47 utc | 43

circe@23

Here we see Talmudic Family Values and empathy at work politicizing what should not be politicized.

It was unforgivable for Ukrainians to not applaud Valieva's stunning earlier performance. Truly low rent behaviour, but what would you expect from the AngloZionist psychopaths that follow the chosenite book of ethics?

Posted by: Simplicius | Feb 17 2022 15:50 utc | 44

i think there’s a chance russia’s about to attack u.s. and nato bases in eastern europe. at a minimum, it’s probably going into ukraine. the likelihood of wwiii’s high, one way or another, because crippling sanctions will amount to a blockade or act of war and provoke a russian military response into europe.

any war with nato will lead quickly or even begin with use of tactical nuclear weapons, per russian policy, with escalation proceeding unpredictably from there, possibly to a full-scale thermonuclear exchange of the combined u.s. and russian arsenals of roughly 10,000 warheads.

the end may be nigh.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 15:55 utc | 45

The evacuation of embassies to Lvov resembles more the collapse of Kabul than a "russian invasion". It is said that the computers of the US embassy in Kiev were destroyed before they left.

Zelensky is still in Kiev, so that means the US embassy does not have direct access to the president anymore. I seems to me Ukraine is being split up as we speak. The Donbass republics can possibly expect to include everything east of Dniepr soon? No invasion required.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:00 utc | 46

@line islands | Feb 17 2022 15:55 utc | 44

i think there’s a chance russia’s about to attack u.s. and nato bases in eastern europe.

I would think again if I were you. What you say does not make any sense.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:03 utc | 47

Zelensky is still in Kiev, so that means the US embassy does not have direct access to the president anymore. I seems to me Ukraine is being split up as we speak. The Donbass republics can possibly expect to include everything east of Dniepr soon? No invasion required.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:00 utc | 45

I think this is what comes from believing too much of your own bullshit. But what do I know? It is decidedly odd in any case. Clearly the spooks got spooked. "When you are governed by clowns, expect circuses."

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 16:09 utc | 48

@27 Don Bacon

If I wait for the OpenT, it will be old hat, stale news and the Olympics will be over by the weekend. This is an incident that shouldn't be overlooked in the concerted hate-Russia propaganda effort to sway global opinion against Russia and diminish whatever excellence it produces and shares with the world.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 17 2022 16:09 utc | 49

. . .not good news...from Ukraine
Kuleba announces launch of new format of Kyiv-London-Warsaw cooperation

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba officially announced the launch of a new trilateral format of cooperation between Ukraine, Great Britain and Poland.
"I am glad to announce that Ukraine, the UK and Poland are starting a new trilateral format of cooperation," he said at a joint press conference with British Secretary of State Elizabeth Truss in Kyiv on Thursday. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2022 16:11 utc | 50

Here's one of my very rare 'predictions':

Some U.S./NATO secret forces will start attacking Eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine will be forced to 'counterattack' Western Ukraine. Then Russia will be forced to split Ukraine along the Dnieper River into two countries. Then Europe will be forced to forgo all Russian fuel.

Then everybody in Europe will be forced to move into tents on the U.S. West Coast, and vote Democrat (because the U.S. does not have hedge voting where each voter can grant either five or four votes to as many candidates as they prefer, forcing two-party lock-in). Bill Gates will buy Europe and turn it into a giant enclosed prison factory for 'immigrants' (serfs). Job done.

See: Map of Ukraine

Posted by: blues | Feb 17 2022 16:14 utc | 51

@46

“I would think again if I were you. What you say does not make any sense.“

you should be doing the thinking again. russia just said it wants all u.s. forces out of eastern and central europe, and the baltics, or else it’ll take “military-technical measures,” which is an artful way of getting around the prohibition under international law on threatening war (regularly violated by the u.s.).

there’s no military-technical solution to the u.s. presence in eastern europe except devastating attacks on nato and u.s. bases, gambled on a u.s. climbdown.

at the very least, going into ukraine is becoming a given, and the sanctions europe and the u.s. are promising in reply would cut so deep that russia’d have to become autarkic, which it wouldn’t — it’d either turn off the gas or take the airspace over eastern europe and unleash tactical nukes on strategic points to shield st. petersburg and moscow and make the stakes clear.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:22 utc | 52

Blinken is at UN Security Council right now claiming that Ukraine, backed by the US, has always been ready to implement the Minsk Accords - it has only been a matter of Russia living up to its own responsibilities as outlined in the Normandy-negotiated document. This has just now been followed by the UK representative intoning the sacrosanct status of the Minsk Accords and the Normandy format.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 17 2022 16:26 utc | 53

rather than staying in denial, it’s best to think ahead, now that the world’s set to breach the old barriers of mutually assured destruction. as russian use of tactical nukes is prescribed for european land wars, it’s important that the west, as well as russia, psychologically prepare to sustain major casualties without overreacting, and that both sides restrain themselves from large-scale launches, in order to leave open a window for truce. communicating ahead of time which targets will be hit and when, via the red phone, will be crucial to avoiding apocalypse.

nuclear exchanges should remain proportional and limited as much as possible to military targets, as errant a wish as that is.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:28 utc | 54

Blinken just now very helpfully laid out what any helpful force who wants to attempt to cause a Russian attack could do. Basically, anything that happens in Ukraine is going to be Russia's fault, because we have already said so. It is absolutely up to Germany and France now, I think, to throw some sand on these gears ... otherwise, US/UK will have their war and sanctions.

CNN's current coverage is an outstanding example of what b is talking about ...

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 17 2022 16:31 utc | 55

both sides should also be careful before escalating their nuclear readiness, though i’m guessing the u.s. has already discreetly moved to defcon 3. fueling up silos can send the wrong message and trigger turnkey launches. that said, it’s probably time for biden to activate operation looking glass and leave washington.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:32 utc | 56

Remember that the breakup of the USSR left Ukraine with the world's fifth-largest nuclear arsenal, which they totally disarmed in exchange for guarantees from the West to help them defend their territorial integrity.

Sounded like a great deal at the time...

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Feb 17 2022 16:33 utc | 57

Doubt there will be any use of nukes anytime soon. Looks like war in Donbas is 100% guaranteed. Also since all these fools escaping Kyiv, it looks like Russia has probably announced (directly or indirectly) that their goal will be to take over Ukraine all the way to Kyiv.

Even if they achieve this, I doubt NATO would fight back. They are not prepared to. They will trigger the economic war and Russia will respond by cutting off the gas.

Both Russians and Europeans will eat shoes for most of 2022 on.

Then the rest is a big ?

Posted by: comandante | Feb 17 2022 16:34 utc | 58

@Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 16:09 utc | 47

I think this is what comes from believing too much of your own bullshit. But what do I know? It is decidedly odd in any case. Clearly the spooks got spooked. "When you are governed by clowns, expect circuses."

What precisely is bullshit here?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:34 utc | 59

« Like a true chess master, Putin secured his judo hold by ordering his soldiers to retreat in order to gain momentum ».

Not bad.

« As a true judoka, Putin advanced his pawns by pulling them back ».

Better.

Don't I look like an expert in Russia analysis?

Posted by: Leuk | Feb 17 2022 16:34 utc | 60

The Duma has asked Putin to recognize the independence of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics. This is unlikely to happen, as it could mean Russia abandoning the UNSC mandated Minsk Agreements. It would also imply that Ukraine would be forced to cut off diplomatic relations with Russia.

If Russia wanted to take a more assertive position, it might unilaterally end its diplomatic relations with the Kiev regime (as they now call it). The UN Security Council resolution does not demand that Russia maintain diplomatic relations with Ukraine. This step should cause a shock in Europe. Russian-Ukrainian trade might end. Gas flow through Ukraine would be threatened. Electricity prices in Europe might peak at 1000 €/MWh.

There is a third option. Russia might simply move its embassy to Donetsk, without ever formally announcing an end of diplomatic relations and without formally recognizing the People's Republics. Such a status would not be unprecedented. Russia maintains embassies in Sana and in Kabul without formally recognizing the Houti or the Taliban governments. The United States has an "Syrian Embassy" that is nowhere near Syria.

The move might start by Russia declaring that it must reduce its staff in Kiev. The stated reasons would be the deteriorating security situation in Kiev and the need to have diplomatic representation in Lvov, where all the other embassies now are and where the government is rumored to be evacuating. At the same time some of the embassy staff might be moved to Donetsk because of "security".

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 17 2022 16:37 utc | 61

@line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:22 utc | 51

there’s no military-technical solution to the u.s. presence in eastern europe except devastating attacks on nato and u.s. bases, gambled on a u.s. climbdown.

That's your interpretation and there is no indication that it is correct. It is pretty interesting to say something like that now that the "invasion" is thoroughly ridiculed for the nonsense it is and always was.

at the very least, going into ukraine is becoming a given
Only in the wet dreams of the crazies in Washington.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:39 utc | 62

I was at the gym yesterday watching the olympics on CNBC when the news came on. The lead story was, as the anchor's authoritative baritone intoned, "Russa lies". The first lie was that instead of pulliing back, tanks were (according to sources) moving toward the front. This was an accompanied by a clip of a line of russan tanks spewing dark clouds of diesel smoke, obviously contributing to climate change. The second lie involved a claim by russans of genocide in donbss. "There is no truth to this. This could be the russan false flag we were warned about."

Then they had a story on Unity Day in "keev" complet with dancers in peasant costume.
They then switched to "our partner Sly news" who had a reporter (crisp british accent) on the ground in "keev" where they found a girl who said, because of putn "I can't breathe". Then they followed the grandma to her bomb shelter where she is forced to hang out. Raw sewage flowed through it and rats scuttled across the dirt floor.

Posted by: Platero | Feb 17 2022 16:39 utc | 63

Can someone please remind Ms. Melinda Haring that after the Crimean people democratically voted overwhelmingly to rejoin the Russian Federation, the Ukrainians responded by sabotaging the supply of fresh water and blew up power lines to Crimea?

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 16:40 utc | 64

The media used to skewer Trump pretty good.
He was a great source of comedy
But, notwithstanding the ridiculously one sided US media, this new administration, and their script readers, are pure comedy gold.
People in glass houses and all that.
lol

Posted by: $outhpaw | Feb 17 2022 16:47 utc | 65

@57

i agree totally with you. nuclear war isn’t likely right now, but it’s not improbable, which is something you never wanna be able to say.

i wanna communicate that russian military policy is to strike first with “small-size” nuclear weapons in a european land war, because it lacks the forces to protect moscow and st. petersburg. this is public knowledge and written down, if a little obliquely, in russian policy papers.

any scenario embroiling russia with nato involves nukes almost without a doubt.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:47 utc | 66

In response to Norwegian@58,

I believe the bullshit alluded to was imminent Russian invasion of Kiev.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 17 2022 16:48 utc | 67

What precisely is bullshit here?
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:34 utc | 58

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking to you. Since you call a lot of bullshit here yourself, I'm not sure what you want from me. Have you become a believer? In particular, the war propaganda is bullshit, I think.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 16:49 utc | 68

Melaleuca #26 Just speculating that his excellency Bartle was feeding false news using some Russian moles.

Posted by: Milos | Feb 17 2022 16:52 utc | 69

@61 “That's your interpretation and there is no indication that it is correct.”

then what military-technical measures short of war could get the u.s. out of eastern europe?

“Only in the wet dreams of the crazies in Washington.”

a stopped clock can occasionally tell the time. all the indications are that war’s coming in ukraine. it’s not a sure-thing, but it’s crazy to deny that.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:52 utc | 70

@Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 16:49 utc | 67
@Skiffer | Feb 17 2022 16:48 utc | 66

Ok, thanks to both of you for clearing up my misunderstanding

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:52 utc | 71

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 16:52 utc | 70

Thank you, no offense intended. Perhaps I should calm down a little too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 17 2022 16:55 utc | 72

On or about Jan 24, and all-of-a-sudden, every single commentator in the medi switched from saying "Key-ev" to "keev"

This is like 1999 when everyone started saying Kosova instead of Kosovo.

Posted by: Platero | Feb 17 2022 16:57 utc | 73

Go to the live feeds from Donetsk. It is on.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 17 2022 17:00 utc | 74

@ line islands | Feb 17 2022 16:52 utc | 69

then what military-technical measures short of war could get the u.s. out of eastern europe?

That is a good question, but the thing is that pulling the trigger is usually not the beast idea, even if it is the "American way". I don't know what the Russians have in mind (keeping your opponent wondering is the idea anyway), but "military-technical measures" could for example mean submarines in the Atlantic and/or Pacific with hypersonic missiles with similar travel times as the US missiles in Europe. Or something entirely different and assymmetrical, we will have to wait and see.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 17:02 utc | 75

Posted by: comandante | Feb 17 2022 16:34 utc | 57

No, the rest is the mother of all stock market crashes. Which makes your otherwise plausible course of events slightly less likely.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 17 2022 17:03 utc | 76

Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 15:38 utc | 38
you are so full of shit it's ridiculous.

the same people selling the Russia war are selling the end of covid "narrative." doing it at the exact same time. every capitalist business and thus government in the world has looked at the coronavirus thru one and only one prism for over 2 years now: its interruption of profits and the routine operation of capital.

or was Wal Mart happy with people wearing masks? you know that showing people in masks discourages buying, working, going to school, etc.?

you do know that, smart guy?

thanks to fantasists like you, the ongoing deaths and misery of millions of people annually will just be part of the cost of doing business.

kind of like the suffering of millions under capitalism already is.

you deceitful callow nihilistic moron. capitalist pigs are being forced to go thru the Micky D's drive thru and that's too much of an imposition on their freedom to bear! you can't eat a covid narrative, but freedom fries sure are yummy! don't let them fool you! covid is fake. your job is real.

it'd be funny to hear you listen childhood mortality during the coronavirus. no need. wave your hand and the problem disappears. cuz it was fake all along. hurricanes are fake too. as you said, global warming is fake.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 17 2022 17:07 utc | 77

oldhippie@73

Do you have URL(s) for a live feed? Viel danke

Posted by: Simplicius | Feb 17 2022 17:08 utc | 78

@Julien@11. While I dont disagre w the sentiment, it was Harper who started the ball rolling here w the Bail in regime. This just highlights the duopoly we have in Canada.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 17 2022 17:08 utc | 79

BTW: did bar flies see the picture of the hole in the wall. That hole wasn’t made by artillery from any side.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 17 2022 17:09 utc | 80

A couple of things:

@51 Yes, the Russian Federation has published an ambit treaty requesting NATO withdraw to 1997 lines, the US to shutter their 'Iranian Anti-ballistic missile' bases in Poland and Rumania, Ukraine and Georgia will never join NATO.

They actually have a legal basis for this via the various legal documents surrounding the OSCE (1997), which requires signatory nations (which includes the Russian Federation and most European countries) to oblige to the concept of 'indivisible security': to wit, no military alliance will improve their own security to the detriment of any other signatory nations. NATO countries have clearly violated this legally recognized concept.

@53 It is declared Russian Federation policy (the former USSR declared the same) that they will never use first-strike nuclear weapons, neither strategically nor tactically. The US of A won't.

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 17:16 utc | 81

Posted by: Julian | Feb 17 2022 13:28 utc | 11

Just think in a cashless society - no bankruns. Money never can leave the banks. When you buy something, the "money" simply moves from one bank to another. Money can never leave the bank. And how many people do you think will own the banks? And how easy would it be to freeze accounts of those you dislike, as Trudeau is currently attempting to do.

The only way you can get money is by having a friend buy goods for you, but your friends accounts can also be monitored to see if they are "spending" excessively.

Even crypto wallets can be closed. A truly cashless society is the beginning of mass slavery.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 17 2022 17:16 utc | 82

Russian FM site inaccessible, hacked or truly overwhelmed by the fact that the reply to the US reply has been published? In any case Cassad has it in Russian.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7446905.html

Posted by: Paco | Feb 17 2022 17:27 utc | 83

@81 A cashless society necessarily means your 'money, glorious money' is nothing more than bits in a computer somewhere. Block-chain as well. You'll be utterly cashless if the internet fails, which is likely if WW3 starts. Better off with real stuff, like gold and silver and bullets.

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 17:27 utc | 84

These morons are unrelenting pushing for a new cold war. Non-stop, despite clear evidence of NATO pushing Eastward, and deploying weapons on the boarders of Russia.

Simple, but, our MSM can't figure it out. The script is crystal clear...

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 17 2022 17:28 utc | 85

Tannenhouser@78 it was Mulroney, when he introduced the GST, bad bank loans had the major Canadian banks on the brink of collapse, I know, it never made the news, but we the tax payers bailed the banks out with Mulroneys GST.
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2022 17:29 utc | 86

@rjb1.5 | Feb 17 2022 17:07 utc | 76

Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 15:38 utc | 38
you are so full of shit it's ridiculous.
The fact that you are triggered by a reference to a basic fact is your problem, deal with it.

the same people selling the Russia war are selling the end of covid "narrative."
Maybe you should provide reference to some facts to support this claim, because I see no evidence of that. In fact I see the exact opposite.

you deceitful callow nihilistic moron.
Thanks, that is a new one, LOL.

I think your post is a schoolbook example of cognitive dissonance. But the topic here is really the "Russian invasion" scam. The empire has been been fooled by its own self made "realities".

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” - Karl Rove

So what has happened with the "Russian invasion" and "the other thing" is that the empire has been overtaken by its own propaganda and lost the ability to analyse reality. That is why the "Russian invasion" story is crashing and burning, and the same with "the other thing".

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 17 2022 17:32 utc | 87

This nation REALLY does deserve another 4yrs. of DJT, and a GOP upcoming victory...

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 17 2022 17:33 utc | 88

@80

i believe russia dropped its no first strike policy in 1993.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 17 2022 17:33 utc | 89

Whatever Russia is doing must be happening with Chinese approval. The key question is thus:

Has China approved a Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 17 2022 17:35 utc | 90

Had to skim some of the comments as I have other worries but I've figured out the plan:
Another coup probably using the same arseholes from 14.
Blame Russia
Leave it a chaotic nazi controlled shit hole.
Blame Russia
If Russia has to invade to protect the republics
Blame Russia
Sanctions up the yin yang
Poland and Ukraine neighborhood gobble up little pieces of the pie and nato moves a little closer and gets it's cold war
Blame Russia
Ducks aren't aligning yet. Maybe the US is waiting for the Olympics to end lol

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Feb 17 2022 17:41 utc | 91

@88 Actually, I think your wrong.

A couple of alternative opinions, one by Associated Press, the other by the official Kremlin Spox, Dimitri Petrov, both from the very same day (3rd June, 2020):

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/06/02/new-russian-policy-allows-use-of-atomic-weapons-against-non-nuclear-strike/

https://tass.com/politics/1163559

Believe what you will.

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 17:44 utc | 92

Thanks, b - it all is something I (and I believe many other US citizens) am totally ignoring. I never watch tv news or news videos because they are bad for my blood pressure, so apologies and thanks again for doing what I can't bear to do. I even keep the sound off on Olympics coverage, go with closed captions - except for ice dancing and individual skating - cringeworthy commentary but you have to have the music on those.

So for the third time thanks - for pointing out how badly the US public is served by the mainstream press. Folk who badmouth the general public here would do well to hold off on castigations of our general ignorance of world affairs. We are not getting the in depth information we so badly need on our regular news channels of radio and tv - so we ignore them for sanity's sake. That is what makes sources like this one so vital. And a final thanks to all who are supporting b. This is information samizdat.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 17 2022 17:46 utc | 93

Interesting article by Jonathan Turley:
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/02/16/trudeaus-trucker-terrorists-why-the-emergency-powers-endanger-the-rights-of-all-groups-from-truckers-to-marchers/

Quote, then comment:
"We should be outraged by the use of such measures against either civil rights marchers or the Canadian truckers. As the Canadian Civil Liberties Association correctly noted, there is no limiting principle in Trudeau’s use of these powers. Trudeau simply declared that the convoy “seriously threatens the ability of the Government of Canada to preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada” without any substantive support for that finding.

These are sweeping emergency powers that could be used against some of our most celebrated figures and shutdown some of our most revered causes. Under this law, the only thing preventing Trudeau from shutting down movements — even historic movements like the Civil Rights marchers — is his affinity for the cause as opposed to the underlying conduct."
End quote

Now, imagine what might happen with a peaceful antiwar civil disobedience action/protest, especially, if it became successful and governments could not ignore them as in 2003.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 17 2022 17:47 utc | 94

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 17:27 utc | 83

I suppose there are always cowry shells or maybe just barter :)

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 17 2022 17:52 utc | 95

A paragraph from the intro, machine trans.

"Absent the readiness of the American side to agree on firm, legally binding guarantees of our security from the United States and its allies, Russia will be forced to respond, including through the implementation of military-technical measures."

Posted by: Paco | Feb 17 2022 17:57 utc | 96

Or glass necklace beads and mirrors. That has to be worth something, yes?

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 17:58 utc | 97

A paragraph from the About Ukraine first section, machine trans.

To de-escalate the situation around Ukraine, it is fundamentally important to take the following steps. These are forcing Kiev to comply with a set of measures, stopping the supply of weapons to Ukraine, withdrawing all Western advisers and instructors from there, refusing NATO countries from any joint exercises with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and withdrawing all foreign weapons previously delivered to Kiev outside Ukrainian territory.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 17 2022 18:03 utc | 98

@95 I was tempted to offer this before:

The former Soviet Union won the Cuban Missile Crisis easily. By threatening to put intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Cuba (this was before ICBM's), they got the US to withdraw Jupiter missiles from Turkey and Italy, plus a guarantee that Cuba would never be invaded. Hands-down mezaire. Most westerners don't understand that, since they've been taught the alternate history, where the evil Soviets must have been the aggressors.

Much the same now.

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 17 2022 18:08 utc | 99

Posted by: Circe | Feb 17 2022 14:48 utc | 23

Please excuse this OT. Here's another scam that just occurred. The U.S. media destroyed the medal chances of the top Russian skater at the Olympics, beating down relentlessly for two weeks on the 15-year old until she broke today under the monumental pressure and failed to medal. They literally destroyed her spirit one day at a time hour by hour. I feel sick at the ugliness of the evil campaign to dethrone her...

Thank you, Circe. I don't think that is off topic at all. What is being done on the political level, seeps down into the level of reporting and of sports and athletic entertainment, as I was just now saying. It broke my heart to see that lovely girl crying at the end of her short program. Shame on this country, shame.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 17 2022 18:10 utc | 100

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