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February 8, 2022
Europe Should Leave NATO Behind And Integrate With Russia

The ongoing scuffle over Russia's and China's efforts to rearrange the global order continues.

The recent Chinese Russian statement made it look as if Russia has completely turned its back to Europe and is now locked into an Eurasian destiny with China, Iran and the Central Asian states. That however does not seem to be Russia's understanding.

A man who has Putin's ear, Professor Sergey Karaganov who is the honorary chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, has written an op-ed that points to an alternative.

The piece was requested by and supposed to be published in the Financial Times, which means that it is directed at the European leadership.  But the FT has now rejected it for unstated reasons. It was then published in the Russia in Global Affairs journal and has now been re-published by RT.

Russia will not invade the Ukraine, Karaganov writes. The real issue at hand is the potential threat that NATO may become for Russia should it come nearer to Russia's border.

He then states:

The security system in Europe, built largely by the West after the 1990s, without a peace treaty having been signed after the end of the previous Cold War, is dangerously unsustainable.

There are a few ways to solve the narrow Ukrainian problem, such as its return to permanent neutrality, or legal guarantees from several key NATO countries not to ever vote for further expansion of the bloc. Diplomats, I assume, have a few others up their sleeves. We do not want to humiliate Brussels by insisting on repudiating its erroneous plea for the open-ended expansion of NATO. We all know the end of the Versailles humiliation. And, of course, the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

But the task is wider: to build a viable system on the ruins of the present. And without resorting to arms, of course. Probably in the wider Greater Eurasian framework. Russia needs a safe and friendly Western flank in the competition of the future. Europe without Russia or even against it has been rapidly losing its international clout. That was predicted by many people in the 1990s, when Russia offered to integrate with, not in, the continent’s systems. We are too big and proud to be absorbed. Our pitch was rejected then, but there is always a chance it won’t be this time.

That last paragraph is quite astonishing.

"Russia needs a safe and friendly Western flank in the competition of the future."

Russia just allied with China.

What "competition of the future" does Karaganov envision that would necessitate a "friendly western flank" for Russia? That "competition" would be in the east or south from Russia? With whom?

Is Karaganov thinking of a U.S. vs. China conflict that would necessitate Russian support for China?

In the late 1990s Russia indeed tried to integrate with Europe, NATO or a follow up organization. That was rejected by the U.S. which did not want another big dog among its pack of European ankle-biters.

But what Karaganov seems to envision now is an integration of Russia with Europe without U.S. involvement.

That is certainly something the French President Macron would also like to see. France has long insisted on European sovereignty including in defense matters. German's chancellor Scholz would likewise agree with it. As would other west-European countries.

This especially after the U.S. president arrogantly asserted power over a German-Russian economic project the U.S. no relation with. This even while Chancellor Scholz, standing next him, avoided to make any commitment in that regard:

PRESIDENT BIDEN: The first question first. If Germany — if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing* the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.

Q: But how will you — how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?

PRESIDENT BIDEN: We will — I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.

Such talk alone should be reason enough for Germany to leave NATO and to kick the remaining U.S. troops out of its country.

But to set up an alternative organization is not easy. The current European Union structures in Brussels do not allow for doing that under an EU umbrella. A new alliance of France, German, Spain and maybe Italy could be a decent start to then integrate with Russia. That would certainly also attract other European NATO members though some eastern European countries would probably lag because of their historic Russia phobia.

That all may look to be far outside of the current horizon. But we should remember that it was a U.S. president who just five years ago considered to leave NATO.

Karaganov may be onto something and the European capitals should start to think about it.


* Biden seems to be fine with the Russian long range artillery and airforce action should the Ukraine dare to attack its rebellious Donbas region. Good, as that is likely what Russia has planned to do.

Comments

karlof1 | 96
“governments were filled with fascist sympathizers”
Except one that was filled with Mafia.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 9 2022 1:29 utc | 101

They once had sensible, generous, open handed policies.
It didn’t last long though.
Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 0:22 utc | 91
I have long been grateful to the Soviets for putting up Sputnik when they did, because I am sure the good free education I got here was because of that. Likewise, I am sure we rebuilt Germany because we had to compete with the Soviet example, back then, when there were two Germanys and we had to make it look good. To be fair we did a pretty good job in W. Germany.
And the looniness, decay, stagnation, and corruption that took over after the USSR collapsed was because they thought that problem had been solved. Time to privatize everything not nailed down.
You will notice too, we felt no need to take matters further in E. Germany once the Berlin wall fell.
The point being that what we have now is what we can expect in the future too here, unless we get rid of these clowns and get some serious people in charge.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 9 2022 1:42 utc | 102

Karloff, c1ue,
Be sensible, are you going to argue that the Marshall plan was not a good thing for those that recieved it? That it was not a transfer of wealth from the US to West and South Europe?
Really?
Of course it was in Americas long term interest to rebuild a shattered Continent. They were willing to spend thier own money to get the process started.
Those who pass themselves off as America’s leaders today think “Long term” is the next news cycle.
You forget that America was once capable of producing genuine, if flawed, statesman.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 1:43 utc | 103

Europe Should Leave NATO Behind And Integrate With Russia
We need some perspective here.
The eastern border of Europe is Ural mountain. The geographical center of Europe is in Lithuania.
Half of European territory is in Russia. In the fist approximation, Europe is basically Russia.
So, saying that Europe should integrate with Russia makes no sense.
I know, when westerners say Europe they mean central and western Europe but again, that is the lack of perspective and perhaps poor knowledge of geography.

Posted by: hopehely | Feb 9 2022 1:47 utc | 104

DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 0:22 utc | 91
Please don’t cherry pick a sentence out of context to create a false impression of my comment. Ironically that’s a very US-like tactic. Are you trying to tell us something about yourself?

Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 9 2022 1:55 utc | 105

Good luck getting US troops to leave your country. Only successful removals have seen are Vietnam and Afghanistan. Once they are in your country they will never leave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

Posted by: Joe | Feb 9 2022 2:11 utc | 106

preview of what’s likely to happen in Iran negotiations:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/593392-republican-senators-threaten-to-block-iran-deal

Posted by: ptb | Feb 9 2022 2:13 utc | 107

librul #27

Are there neutral observers in place in the Donbas?
Wouldn’t their presence make it harder to create a false flag and get away with it?

If there were neutral observers in the region, I guess they would be the first target of any UKUSA false flag murdering. Then the UKUSA special forces would rush to their aid finish off the survivors.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 9 2022 2:15 utc | 108

@ Posted by: Spinworthy | Feb 9 2022 1:55 utc | 105
Fair point Spinworthy, I will try to avoid that in the future.
I agree with most of what you said, apart from that point. The USA has had it’s moments when, almost accidentally, it did good in the world.
Every now and then some decent, well intentioned people temporarily ran the place.
It hadn’t happened in decades there, but that’s true of my own country.
True statesmen are rare.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 2:23 utc | 109

karlof1 #99

“Germany is being treated like ‘simply a protectorate’ by the US, Zakharova said, adding that this doesn’t just take the form of financial leverage of threats, but is ‘backed up by 30,000 American boots on the ground.’
“Why Berlin allows itself to be treated like this is a question to ask Germany, but ‘the fact is that it’s not a relationship of equals,’ Zakharova said.”

Perfectly well said by Zakharova. That is what I mean by Xerxes Biden. He may well have lost France and with his insulting spit on Germany, they won’t be far behind. The times have changed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 9 2022 2:24 utc | 110

librul @74
I am a strong supporter of Russia doing what is necessary to get a significant revision of Europe’s present security order–which, to me, does not seem at all likely through any diplomacy channel presently available. (what do you think about diplomacy and the possibility of success?)
From my perspective Putin’s most powerful leverage is a threat to use force on a large scale, against Ukraine, including the possibility of regime change.
To my “indoctrinated mind” Russia appears extremely serious in its totally legitimate efforts to create its own cordon against Western influence–although I do admit that this is a high risk strategy.
What exactly don’t you like about my perspective. Simply because I don’t view Russia as simply a victim of the U.S. outlaw empire–but rather a significant continental European player, in its own right, with its own legitimate spheres of influence– doesn’t, in my opinion, make me an apologist for the primary direction of American foreign policy over the past 100 years of so.

Posted by: Gulag | Feb 9 2022 2:30 utc | 111

DaveGood@103
Anyone who believes that the Marshall Plan was designed to benefit anyone outside the US ruling class is deluded. As karlofi pointed out the most devastated areas in Europe were not just left to fend for themselves but had to do so under the increasing threat of nuclear attack.
To put it simply the first priority of the Soviet Union was to prepare for attack from the west, and the suffering included not just the Russians but the whole of eastern Europe, into which the US despatched thousands of saboteurs, assassins and unreconstructed Nazis.
What is happening in Ukraine and the former Warsaw Pact lands began then, when Washington took up Hitler’s mantle
And then, as Michael Hudson points out, there was the UK, which was forced to sacrifice its own prospects of economic healing, under a socialist government, by the ungenerous and inequitable terms of the Lend Lease repayments.
“…Ever since the closing years of World War II, U.S. diplomacy has aimed at locking Britain, France, and especially defeated Germany and Japan, into becoming U.S. economic and military dependencies. As I documented in Super Imperialism, American diplomats broke up the British Empire and absorbed its Sterling Area by the onerous terms imposed first by Lend-Lease and then the Anglo-American Loan Agreement of 1946. The latter’s terms obliged Britain to give up its Imperial Preference policy and unblock the sterling balances that India and other colonies had accumulated for their raw-materials exports during the war, thus opening the British Commonwealth to U.S. exports.
“Britain committed itself not to recover its prewar markets by devaluing sterling. U.S. diplomats then created the IMF and World Bank on terms that promoted U.S. export markets and deterred competition from Britain and other former rivals. Debates in the House of Lords and the House of Commons showed that British politicians recognized that they were being consigned to a subservient economic position, but felt that they had no alternative. And once they gave up, U.S. diplomats had a free hand in confronting the rest of Europe…”
One of the most harrowing accounts of the negotiations is Keynes’. The US the British over a barrel and they starved the country: it was not until the war had ended that it was found necessary to ration bread in order to pay the usurers.
There have certainly been several great statesmen in American History but none of them would have lasted a week in Truman’s cabinet.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 9 2022 2:32 utc | 112

The US elites desperately need a war, both to move domestic attention away from their ongoing gross incompetence and rentier blood-sucking ways, and to get their nobles back in order. They know that time is on the side of China, Russia and Iran but can’t bring themselves to strike a deal with those nations while they still can on beneficial terms.
The above commentators are right that the nobles (Western Europe and Japan) are occupied nations and the elites of those nations are probably exposed to major kompromat and understand the personal impacts of not toeing the line (including all the lovely trips, honorary degree and consulting gigs etc. ending); gold or lead as a certain drug lord put it. It will be a long process for them to extricate themselves from the Yankee claws. The others (Eastern Europe, Baltics, South Korea) are just vassals – the South Korean army even reports to a US general!
Also, some good comments about how the working class, and certain countries, were treated much better as long as the US had to make itself look good compared to the Soviet Union. Once the Soviets collapsed the gloves were taken off. Now those US elites have the problem of possible comparison to an increasingly wealthy and successful China.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 9 2022 2:35 utc | 113

True statesmen are rare.
Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 2:23 utc | 109
The oligarchy/aristocracy/billionaires club doesn’t need true statesmen in charge. They need pliant, mostly empty suits who can rouse the rabble and keep USSians at each others’ throats and motivated on that basis to return to the polls every X years to participate in the illusion of (national) democracy and choose between two selected candidates (of which Trump was also one, just an “outsider” who lived up to all his promises for the same billionaires and Israeli Zionists).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2022 2:37 utc | 114

Regarding the Marshal Plan: “Legacy of Ashes,”Tom Weiner’s seminal account of the CIA (2007 National Book Award for non-fiction) reported that “about” 5% of all Marshall Plan expenditures in every country was secretly reserved for the CIA. [I say “about” because I’m relying on memory: I gave away my copy a few years ago.] We were financing their subversion.

Posted by: Seward | Feb 9 2022 2:39 utc | 115

As many have commented I too sense it’s only a matter of time before Europe—at least continental Europe—leaves NATO and turns, in a non-colonialist way, both east and south. Can’t say how soon or what twists/crises along the way, but yes.
One of those crises along the way will be the collapse of the US dollar and thus economy, leading to an implosion here of living standards and perhaps basic society and civilization—our own resonance of a post-world-war “Weimar US” or the post-Cold War Soviet lands’ experience (and like the latter, with a few thousand nukes lying around). Any USian identifying with humanity must support and work for this “revolutionary defeatism”, organizing against war and for social self-defense, throwing sand in the gears of empire in every way. But to use a military analogy this puts US internationalists in the surface circumstance of calling in fire on our own position.
Whether and how we can synthesize a revolution out of these contradictions remains to be seen. Or even simply a less planet-threatening way of life. The timeless historical observer in me is fascinated by the dialectic of this challenge; the flesh-and-blood activist is bracing for impact.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 9 2022 2:41 utc | 116

Yes, Russia and Europe are a natural geographical combo, culturally they still have some distance to go. But that combo will save Europe from uncle Sam and Russia from uncle Xi. A third pole is badly needed in world politics. India will make a forth and can cooperate with Reuropa against threats from either the Maffia or the Triad.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2022 2:57 utc | 117

Antonym 117
India will make a fourth
No way, India is weak domestically and internationally.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2022 3:07 utc | 118

Ever since Trump, more and more US strategy is to humiliate Europe (excluding UK) in world seen. In my opinion after Brexit, US and US prepare to break up EU to reduce the burden of EU venerability to Russia (US believes EU economic / military weakness and vulnerability to Russia limits US tactical and strategic actions.
German head of state was publicly humiliated when Biden in his face said he will stop NS2 which US is not a party too, he didn’t say anything, he couldn’t. And ere we have the same reaction to Macron visit, which Macron trying to negotiate with Iran back in Trump time and was ignored, or Lula/ Erdo going to tehran making a deal and Obama pulled more sanctions. Eu is becoming a burden on wars with China, Iran, Russia, Eu deservedly is now a use condom needs to be pulled off, pulling on AKUS, to ride on back of good old Angelos.

Posted by: Kooshy | Feb 9 2022 3:08 utc | 119

@ Don Bacon | Feb 9 2022 3:07 utc | 118
India is stronger internally than Europe. Externally first the US and now also PR China try to keep it subjected, quite similar to what was done to Germany and Europe. Still India has 1.2 billion man power with lots of youth, nuclear power and weapons, lots of real industry, plenty of food production, minerals and geographical safety. Together with Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal it can become a fourth pole.
Who doesn’t need a counter pole for CCP China? Only fools.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2022 3:16 utc | 120

@ Posted by: bevin | Feb 9 2022 2:32 utc | 112.
We need a sense of proportion here. As I understand it the Soviet Union blocked Marshall Aid funds to the central and east European countries under thier control and instead instituted thier own plan.
Were those countries better off? They didn’t think so. They left the Soviet Union at the earliest opportunity.
And yes, the US did strip the UK, France, Japan etc of thier overseas Empires.
It’s hard to make the case that those imperial subject countries, like India, regret it though.
The initial impulse was well meant, it was the exploitative follow up, and America,’s own Empire building that wrecked it.
My point is that for many people here America has been an unmitigated Evil right from the beginning to now. Not so.
I think those who run America today are Greedy, incompetent and stupid, and some I would define dangerous Sociopaths.
But not actively Evil.
This whole Ukraine Crisis reminds me of the Suez Crisis.
Two great powers in decline ( Britain and France) over reached and were calmly but firmly talked down off the ledge by an American President.
Today it is America and Nato who have over reached, and are faced with a calm but firm Russia (backed by China,).

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 3:18 utc | 121

The focus on NS2 is to raise the cost of EU energy ( supplied by the US), and hence labor, and price EU industry out of the market.
That industry will then move to the US. They couldn’t get their industry back from China, so they will steal it from Europe.
So the US plan is that the EU will eventually become a captive US energy and industrial output market.
They couldn’t pillage Russia, so the EU will have to take its place… that or stand up and reclaim some of that lost sovereignty

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 9 2022 3:18 utc | 122

Thank you karlof1 for all of your reporting, and especially thank you for that piece by Lukashevich.

“Now it is important for us to clearly clarify how the Western OSCE participating States understand the principle of the indivisibility of security and how they are going to fulfill their commitment not to strengthen their own security at the expense of the security of other states. We expect everyone to respond promptly to Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s request. We expect to receive a reaction not in a collective, but in a national capacity. Its analysis will allow us to decide on further steps in the field of European security.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 8 2022 18:55 utc | 18
What the Russian Federation is doing is the same as I’ve been trying to do.
Before the sending of Lavrov’s request for clarification there were three possible responses ex-post, vis:
1) We did fulfill our commitment by…..
2) We did not fulfill our commitment.
3) We didn’t know.
The Western European nations leaderships were intending to use option 3)
After all, that is the basis upon which the entire European superstructure is constructed*.
Now Lavrov has removed option 3) from the menu they will have to face up to their duplicity.
* I have in the past reported on how the ECHR was corrupted and changed its rules following my appeal for protection. I have in the past reported on how the European institutional memory has no recollection of how Sir Anthony Blair was unmasked as an impostor in Portugal on 19 June 2000. Let me give one more example of the hopelessly corrupt European superstructure.
Pat Cox was made President of the European Parliament in 2002. It is unclear why he, not being a member of the two major groupings, was granted this honour. His tenure expired in 2004 whereupon he left the Parliament by not contesting his seat. He was off to the races.
It just so happens that as MEP for Munster he was my representative while I was living in Cork. I made sure that he knew there were British squadies coming to my door late at night, then parking across the street in the darkness when I didn’t open the door. This, and much much more, took place in 1995. And he knew all about it.
So anyway, yeah. I’d like to thank Pat Cox. An exemplary European.
He knows nothing.

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 9 2022 3:41 utc | 123

@ DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 3:18 utc | 121
Regarding WWII positive outcomes:
Most European colonial empires had to be dismantled, yes.
Totalitarians Hitler and Stalin blunted each other.
Negative WWII outcome: the US and UK merged into a post colonial dominator soon run by the US MICIMATT (see https://raymcgovern.com/ ), or President Eisenhower’s 1961 farewell speech.
PR China and Korea were messed up by Mao. The Yanks didn’t do much good in the latter too.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2022 3:47 utc | 124

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 8 2022 19:48 utc | 37
Wow and I’m banned under my usual guise for linking to an article that also had a comedic human cookbook. It’s amazing what they let by. It hadn’t occurred at me to be abusive.

Posted by: Berndt Braincell | Feb 9 2022 4:18 utc | 125

@ Antonym 120
India has 1.2 billion man power with lots of youth, nuclear power and weapons, . .
The India population of 1.3 billion plus includes several hundred million ‘untouchable’ dalit castes, and a couple hundred million Muslims (about as many as in Pakistan) who are are increasingly marginalized by the ruling Hindus. So nearly half the population is second class.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2022 4:33 utc | 126

Librul 27

Are there neutral observers in place in the Donbas?
Wouldn’t their presence make it harder to create a false flag and get away with it?

Are there neutral observers in place in the Donbas?
No. OSCE is there, but not neutral.
OSCE presence makes false flag more possible as the *claim* would be they are there and neutral.
Kinda likes how the White Hats are the white knight Syrian defence force.
Lol

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 4:35 utc | 127

Blues 100

If I was in charge of Russia, I would rescue Libya, which seems to be ungoverned. It’s a responsibility to protect situation. Plus they have lots of oil.

Russia does not have the capacity for indiscriminate military adventurism.
The decision re Syria was a catalog of very specific objectives. And ally Assad requested.
Russia, to the frustration of many, has resisted “mission creep” in Syria.
Which is yet another reason for the pressure in Ukraine.
> It’s a responsibility to protect situation
Possibly. But this was a US construct to be applied only in situations that benefit
> Plus they have lots of oil
Hello “keep the oil” Trump.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 4:49 utc | 128

@Posted by: Gulag | Feb 9 2022 2:30 utc | 111
Are you posting in another forum with a different handle
and pointing back to your own comment here at MoA
and saying, “See, this is the type of stealthy pro-Russian crap
you find at MoA”.
Well?

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2022 5:37 utc | 129

>Are there neutral observers in place in the Donbas?
uncle tungsten | 108
Apologies. Hadn’t seen your reply to librul when I made my, almost identical comment.
Kooshy 119
>Ever since Trump, more and more US strategy is to humiliate Europe
Trump was just Trump, bellicose, theatrical, rude and gauche (just a few adjectives), he only brought out into the open the U$A attitude and treatment of Europe. The humiliation is so habitual they can’t even remember to try and hide it.
Les7 | 122
> The focus on NS2 is to raise the cost of EU energy and price EU industry out of the market.
The impact is already happening. Each day there’s a new announcement of shutdowns due to high gas prices. From lurking twitters of oil and gas industry insiders 2022-23 and out to 24-25, not a lot of respite on the horizon.
When EU compliantly applied sanctions against Russia, the cost is now calculated at a lost €100b in trade. That the Germans realise is never coming back due to Russia’s import substitution. The more aware are now baulking at more self inflicted pain.
@karloff
Thanks for all your contributions
John Cleary | 123
Your comments always intrigue me. Have you a collated memoir ?
Tuyzentfloot | 39
>the Mearsheimer argument on Australia’s options. Because you really don’t want the US to be your enemy.
Back before covid, I would link Mearsheimer to friends. Especially those with the China Bad, China gonna invade mantra. (This from early boomers who gorged themselves selling their 1/4 acre Sydney suburban backyards to Chinese developers).
Post covid. I don’t bother trying ….. whether it’s China or covid.
Christian Chubb 40
> I have been grieving over the inability of Russia to boil things into a soundbite that the U.S. public could understand”
Yep. 90% of where “we” are is the “language” barrier.
“We” are *still* trying to decipher “military and military—technical”.
The Americans have: “fuck around and find out”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 5:40 utc | 130

DaveGood 103
>” You forget that America was once capable of producing genuine, if flawed, statesman.”
Of whom are you thinking?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 6:13 utc | 131

The meme squad have had a bit of fun with Macron’s arrival in Moscow, and that ridiculously looooooong meeting table.
Enjoy:
https://twitter.com/pittbull_grrr/status/1490796568521416707?s=20&t=VzGtfQHeNzoLYqlgP-h0fg

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 6:23 utc | 132

@ Don Bacon | Feb 9 2022 4:33 utc | 126
According to woke media yes. The reality on the ground here is quite different.
Now various Hindu higher caste ground are striving for similar benefits as the Scheduled Caste got. Amongst the Muslims there is a similar desire to keep their Scheduled Caste benefits after converting. US affirmative action is chicken feed compared to what is given in India.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2022 6:28 utc | 133

Based on that Press Conference,
I hope more Germans realize that:
1) They’re Fodder to be hurled against Russia;
2) They’re just a Military Base Hosting Vassal;
3) Buying Murica’s FreedomFrackLNG would involve buying in USDollars, while NS2 would have involved EUR and/or RUB;
4) Their Foreign, Defense, Trade, Economic, Infrastructure, and Energy Policies are being Commandeered by Murica;
5) They’re being Played by Caucaus-Slavic Khazar-Ashkenazi Jewish Tribals TwinkBlinken, Nudelman-Khagan, and ClownZelensky from the HUNgarian-Jewish and UKRanian-Jewish Factions;
6) They’re being played by Burisma-Bought Biden;
7) They’re being played by Burisma and other UKRanian Oligarchy – as well as the Maidan and UKRanian Govt – who AREN’T NATO Members into an Article5 Invocation; and
They’re better off Leaving NATO, Kicking Out NATO+US Troops and Closing their Bases, then Living with NordStream1+2 and SilkRoad.

Posted by: IronForge | Feb 9 2022 7:19 utc | 134

@Hoyeru | Feb 8 2022 19:22 utc | 29
@Useless meat beater | Feb 8 2022 19:48 utc | 37
Thank you both for your comments. I agree with most of what you say,but still find this place better than most others.
C’mon be. Try to be less naive. You’re starting to sound like a born and breed ‘murican.

Posted by: Mariátegui | Feb 9 2022 7:19 utc | 135

@james | Feb 9 2022 1:43 utc | 167
Moving my bar stool over to the new thread.
“A swift kick in the nuts will have a more salutary effect on the bully; plus you’ll feel better having delivered it.”
>as i see it, we are very close to this inflection point here… don’t be shocked when it happens..
Hear, hear! “Swift” wasn’t a poetic touch though: the longer you wait, the more delusions of impunity draw others to the original bully’s side.
And no, I’m not braying for mushroom clouds. Putting Navalniy in jail where he belongs, jamming Ben Gurion Airport (if really true), blocking fertilizer exports, all signal you’re no longer afraid, no longer looking for the Guardian’s approval, no longer a punching bag.
But the sweetest is talking Malvinas with Argentine; of course, it’s China that shows the way. It shatters the notion in the West that they’ll forever be the diners–never the turkey. Remember that self-help tape from American Beauty, “I refuse to be a victim”? In the film’s context it was meant to sound pathetic, but it had a point.
The real issue is of course not my pop psychology, but raw power. An RF/CN tandem can behave very differently from a Russia that at the same time needs to look over its shoulder as well. About frickin’ time.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 7:53 utc | 136

Are @pretzelattack and @veto still around? Re-reading their words, would you agree that your positions have much in common with Scott Ritter’s? Paraphrasing, he argues that the New Cold War sounds more intense than the old one, turbocharged by a Silicon Valley that didn’t even exist back then. But that’s just the point, it’s all propaganda–a simulacrum as some self-important circles would say. The West’s corrupt, COVID-stricken militaries haven’t fought an actual war in decades, and sure as hell aren’t starting now. Actual intel gathering has atrophied; diplomat posts go to campaign donors; “Russia scholars” are mostly arms salesmen with Harvard degrees.
Of my own, I would point to the massive push for “anti-whiteness training” and broader identity politics in the US military. This is the Dem Party making said military into a new power base for themselves–a purely Third World move which only makes sense if your purposes are domestic, not if you’re trying to unite the country against the common enemy.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 8:29 utc | 137

John Cleary | 123
Your comments always intrigue me. Have you a collated memoir ?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 5:40 utc | 129
Hello Melaleuca,
In a sense I do have a collated memoir. It consists of upwards of one hundred letters sent from 1994 up to about 2006, then of hundreds of Internet posts thereafter. It is not easy to publish information in that format, but the information is there, as is the list of intended recipients, nice and ready for the day the chorus of “I didn’t know” arrives.

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 9 2022 8:57 utc | 138

Putin is being very naughty.
He is reminding Europeans that they are US vassals and not US allies.
Very very naughty.

Posted by: jiri | Feb 9 2022 9:07 utc | 139

Oh wait, it’s not just us barflies chattering, there is an actual article above. Unfortunately, it’s full of wishful thinking this time. Yes, of course Macron mumbles about European strategic autonomy when it suits him; that’s what politicians do. What has he ever done to bring it about? Vetoed the Russia sanctions? Withdrawn from NATO? Questioned the cult of Holocaust guilt that continues to crush all of Europe spiritually? I rest my case. Last time round, Candidate Macron couldn’t wait to abolish France in favor of an EU superstate. This is like rejoicing “See? He’s always been one of us” when you only remember those Obama soundbites (only those Trump soundbites) which you liked. These people are pretty good at their craft, or they wouldn’t be on top. After all the Merkel misery the Germans, in their wisdom (/impotence) elected a govt that’s more pro-US than Merkel’s.
Were the nobles of Java working for their own people, or for the United East Indies Company (VOC) that lined their pockets? If anyone knows how colonialism works, it’s the Dutch and French. If a Javan prince was with the program then his children could attend the Dutch school, and on Saturday he’d be invited for tea with Madam Governor–in short, he’d be rewarded with the illusion that he’s one of them. But were he to ask in the Governor’s mansion “Why do the profits always disappear over the horizon to Amsterdam when my own people have much bigger needs?” — well good luck tending your rice paddy in the burning sun bro, plenty other Javan princes.
It’s not this simple. About 30% of France’s GDP is stolen by squeezing every last drop of blood from its erstwhile African possessions (correct me if I’m wrong). Macron needs American mil/diplo/media support to continue the show; if he’d forget, someone will remind him. This quite apart of course from dollar hegemony. Does Europe even still exist if titans like BlackRock own so much of the place outright; if its people build literal altars to the revolting drug dealer George Floyd, complete with candles and icons, as if they were (aspiring/Erzatz) Americans already.
If one wishes to revive Europe you need different elites, but the current bunch are in no hurry to vacate their seats. So you need different media, but you can only fill those once you’ll have ideas of your own. So first of all you need a different spiritual basis–in fact, it wouldn’t be a replacement if currently Europe has none.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 9:23 utc | 140

Along similar lines: when German MP’s bristled against Trump’s viceroy Richard Grenell “We’re not a colony”, I read it as follows. “We have always faithfully served our colonial master, making out like bandits in the process. But this was on the condition that the colonial nature of the relationship remained hidden from our own flock.” This was why they didn’t like Trump, and hoped to kiss and make up with Biden’s more suave crew. But at this stage in his decline, Biden is rash and short-tempered, plus he’s surrounded himself with people like Victoria Nuland — ’nuff said.
Our pols no longer have a meaningful party base–they pushed those away by denying them any meaningful input. German industry took up the slack for a while, but now it’s mostly His Master’s Voice in the media (very much incl online) that keeps these folks in business. Baerbock is merely the most glaring example. Only fair those same media should set the agenda once the elections are over.
As jiri #138 says above, plenty of naughtiness in the air, plus potential for lots more.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 9:53 utc | 141

Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 9:23 utc | 139
build literal altars to the revolting drug dealer George Floyd
you seem to be a very bitter individual. I am guessing the public extra-legal execution of Mr Floyd is quite alright because (according to you) he sold illegal drugs.
surely you are better than that

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 9 2022 9:54 utc | 142

A little follow-on to my reply to Melaleuca.
I have a post on Craig Murray’s blog which pertains to another corrupt European figure. And it is not as though they are hiding this stuff…

He was one of the first to whom the term ‘spin doctor’ was applied and gained the nickname ‘the Prince of Darkness’ because of his ‘ruthlessness’ and ‘media savvy’.[2] He served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Hartlepool from 1992 to 2004 and held a number of Cabinet positions under Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.[3] He was the European Commissioner for Trade between 2004 and 2008.

That was Wikipedia, if you havsn’t guessed.
Anyway, Craig’s blog
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/02/how-the-establishment-functions/comment-page-4/#comment-1008698

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 9 2022 10:30 utc | 143

Western “democracies” governments are dependant on public opinion. Public opinion is dominated by mass media. German mass media are sychronized with US mass media and dominated by the same powers (whoever that may be). For the time being no German politician in charge will dare to openly oppose a US President (supported by the mass media) because he is afraid of the consequences of the medial storm that will sure hit him. For now Germany is just as sovereign as some few people in the US will allow it to be.

Posted by: Heiko | Feb 9 2022 10:38 utc | 144

@dan of steele | Feb 9 2022 9:54 utc | 141
“I am guessing the public extra-legal execution of Mr Floyd is quite alright”
You guess wrong, two-wrongs-don’t-make etc. As a minor point, can one even execute someone with already a lethal dose of fentanyl in their blood stream–a literal giant who was totally out of control that day for that very reason. But his public abuse, one might call it torture (possibly to death), shocked and disgusted me. And for this very reason, Europe needs to resist US cultural imperialism with all remaining strength, if any can be found. Another minor point, and I’m not the first one to make it: how much does one have to hate blacks, in order to promote this late thug as their exemplar?
We finally got to the point where gays no longer have to feel guilty about the way in which they were born; why should whites take over that role? People who can be so easily brow-beaten can be manipulated in a myriad other ways; this is what the bishops used to do, make us feel guilty and dirty for being born out of sex between man and woman, as if we had any choice in the matter. And it must be said, it’s the proprietors of the most racist country in the world doing the brow-beating for our “white supremacism”. Not an actual Chinese, and yet I know that people who start to write self-criticisms go down a very dark path.
Europeans have plenty of blood on their hands in Donbass/Syria/Yemen; why should we instead virtue-signal about one single American criminal in a case that has nothing to do with us? Just because our Facebook superiors say so? Methinks we make a show of the one, to better keep silent about the other.
So yes, I’m bitter about what the civilization of Aristoteles, Mozart and Erasmus is letting itself become; your overall point still stands.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 10:49 utc | 145

Ma Laoshi #135 #136 #139
Excellent excellent posts.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 10:57 utc | 146

Sevastopol
The U$A continues provocations, today flying an Boeing RC-135V around Crimea, as close as close as possible to the Russian Navy Fleet Base at Sevastopol.
Flightradar24 RC-135V designated HOMER31 with a Tail Serial Designate of 63-9792
Given the extreme high tensions. One tiny *tiny* slip in these theatrics…..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 11:28 utc | 147

f you don’t believe the media narrative you’re now a terrorist.:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2022/02/07/dhs-issues-national-terrorism-advisory-system-ntas-bulletin
> DHS Issues National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS) Bulletin
Release Date: February 7, 2022

This NTAS Bulletin outlines the key factors that have increased the volatility, unpredictability, and complexity of the current threat environment, and highlights resources for individuals and communities to stay safe.”
The United States remains in a heightened threat environment fueled by several factors, including an online environment filled with false or misleading narratives and conspiracy theories, and other forms of mis- dis- and mal-information (MDM) introduced and/or amplified by foreign and domestic threat actors.
These threat actors seek to exacerbate societal friction to sow discord and undermine public trust in government institutions to encourage unrest, which could potentially inspire acts of violence. 
Mass casualty attacks and other acts of targeted violence conducted by lone offenders and small groups acting in furtherance of ideological beliefs and/or personal grievances pose an ongoing threat to the nation.   
* provided $180 million in funding to support target hardening and other physical security enhancements to non-profit organizations at high risk of terrorist attack through DHS’s Nonprofit Security Grant Program (NSGP);   
* increased efforts to identify and evaluate MDM, including false or misleading narratives and conspiracy theories spread on social media and other online platforms, that endorse violence

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 11:36 utc | 148

It is worth recalling Philipp Mißfelder, one of the CDU’s greatest foreign policy talents. He went – although not invited – to a birthday party of Putin. Some time later, he died of pulmonary embolism at the age of 35.
His brother then coerced his parents to request an autopsy. A few weeks later, he too died of pulmonary embolism.
The parents doubted the cause of death.
This is the situation in Germany.
Interestingly, Biden means to decide how to proceed with NS2. US imports from Russia, on the other hand, are not being negotiated at all.

Posted by: schkid | Feb 9 2022 11:44 utc | 149

librul | Feb 8 2022 19:10 utc | 27

Are there neutral observers in place in the Donbas?
Wouldn’t their presence make it harder to create a false flag and get away with it?

Depends on how “neutral” they are.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 9 2022 11:45 utc | 150

Zelensky’s turn on the dance floor
@ZelenskyyUa
>Welcome to Ukraine @EmmanuelMacron! This is the first visit of the President of France to our country in 24 years.
I’m convinced it will be fruitful for our states, as France and Ukraine are interested in deepening cooperation in the security sphere and strengthening economic cooperation.
>France is our important partner within the EU and the Alliance, one of the key trading partners in Europe and the second largest investor in the Ukrainian economy. New pages of success have emerged in the French
and Ukrainian partnership today.
Heh… this one^ is interesting ……… new words in use.
>Had a phone conversation with @eucopresident. Discussed current situation around Ukraine & its de-escalation within all existing formats. We’re making diplomatic efforts to restore peace and continue practical cooperation in all areas. Grateful to EU for the continued support to Ukraine.
>> Discussed current situation around Ukraine & its de-escalation within all existing formats.
>>> Discussed current situation around Ukraine & its de-escalation within all existing formats.
No calls for Russia to “de-escalate”. And “within all existing formats” that would be Minsk?
Have dipped into Ze’s twitter for some time now. This^ is a definite change in words and tone.
Interesting.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 12:09 utc | 151

THE “UKRAINE” CRISIS IS OVER WHEN EUROPE RE-ESTABLISHES ITS SOVEREIGNTY
One mystery of the current European crisis is the timing, why now? For three months the Western media has had wall-to-wall coverage of the “imminent” Russian invasion of Ukraine. Why? Russia today is no more likely to invade Kiev and Odessa than it was in 2014 after the failed Maidan coup. Russia does not want Ukraine. The claims of 100,000 Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border are largely a fabrication. The real story is the 150,000 Ukrainian troops and their NATO advisers in the trenches in Donbass, preparing to attack the People’s Republics.
The immediate cause of the crisis happening now is the Beijing Winter Olympics. Russians know that Ukraine and NATO would launch any planned attack on Donbass during the Olympics. The current concentration of Russian troops in Belarus can be fully explained by the need to deter any such attack plans. (“Operation Olympic Truce”, I called it.)
The underlying cause of the crisis is the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and its expected certification. I understood two years ago, that Nord Stream 2 will never be taken into use under the current political conditions. If Russia overcomes one hurdle, new political and military hurdles will be set in place. When all else fails, Ukraine and the USA will launch an attack on Donetsk and Lugansk in the hope of forcing Russia to overtly intervene and “invade” Ukraine.
But there is a third, more fundamental cause of the crisis, the lack of European sovereignty. As Alexander Mercouris notes on his latest video, the everlasting construction of Nord Stream 2 has given the United States huge leverage over Germany. It would be in European interest for Ukraine to implement the Minsk Accords and thus return peace and stability to Europe. For this to happen, France and Germany as guarantors of the treaty would need to put pressure on the Ukrainian government. American interests are to block any economic integration between Russia and Europe. The festering crisis in Ukraine serves this purpose well. The threat of American sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline has prevented Germany from fulfilling its obligations to enforce the Minsk Accords. Thus Germany cannot end the crisis until it has Nord Stream 2. But Germany cannot have Nord Stream 2 until the crisis is over.
Ultimately the “Ukraine” crisis is a crisis Europe has inflicted on itself because of its lack of sovereignty. Macron of France may have understood this. But he is too weak to state it publicly, let alone break France free from its Atlantist chains. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz looks even weaker standing next to President Biden like an obedient lapdog.
Russia needs strong, independent neighbors, that look after their selfish national interests. It despises weak Quislings, who serve the interests their overseas masters.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 9 2022 12:35 utc | 152

None of this is new. Reagan did exactly the same with regard to the pipeline from USSR to Western Europe in 1982…….not a scintilla of difference.
1983 NATO created the “Autumn Forge 83” and “Able Archer 83” Scenario which nearly ended it all……….”Minister of Defense Dmitry Ustinov just after the conclusion of Able Archer 83 in November 1983. Ustinov warned that NATO’s military exercises “are becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish from a real deployment of armed forces for aggression.” The article goes on to state that, due to the large scale and realistic nature of NATO’s military exercises in 1983, “it was difficult to catch the difference between working out training questions and actual preparation of large-scale aggression.”
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/aa83/2018-11-05/soviet-side-1983-war-scare
Fact is NATO is destabilising Europe. For 10 years Western Russia had NO military divisions because there was no perceived threat until The West changed course.
Macron is right. Time for EU states to stop buying US materiel and stop interfacing with US forces – there are only 35.000 US troops in Europe and most are non-combat.
Germany is not going to increase defence spending – it has a demographic problem unless it wants a Muslim military.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 9 2022 12:45 utc | 153

Floyd was not totally out of control, he was peaceful till the cops escalated, and the was begging for his life. Nor was he dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 9 2022 12:57 utc | 154

Still Blocked?
(testing before I spend time typing up a post)

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2022 13:44 utc | 155

@Posted by: Gulag | Feb 9 2022 2:30 utc | 111
Do you post at another forum with a different handle?
And are you creating your stealth pro-Russian postings
so that you can go to the other forum and point out
your own posts here at MoA as examples of MoA, pro-Russian postings?

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2022 13:50 utc | 156

Re: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 4:49 utc | 128
I would not just expect Russia to just steal the Libyan oil as the U.S. intended to do to Iraq. Simply by saving Libya from the rogue militias they would stand a good chance of being on favorable terms with an oil-rich nation. Nor would they need to indulge in ‘indiscriminate military adventurism’ — they could just ensure fair elections, and then go home. Probably not a difficult task at all.

Posted by: blues | Feb 9 2022 13:55 utc | 157

today in Virtual Poland (WirtualnaPoland)
Dwóch parlamentarzystów ze współrządzących liberałów zostało oblanych wodą. Mieli oni flagę Ukrainy, którą posłowie prawicy próbowali im wyrwać. Posiedzenie musiało być kilkukrotnie przerywane.
Niespotykane sceny w parlamencie pokazują podziały w słowackim społeczeństwie, które jest podzielone w ocenie kryzysu na wschodzie. Według ostatniego sondażu, 44 procent Słowaków uważa, że NATO jest odpowiedzialne za wzrost napięcia na Ukrainie, podczas gdy tylko 34 procent uważa, że winę ponosi Rosja.
Background: Parliament of Slovakia (a country between Poland and Hungary, with a short border with Ukraine and other borders with Austria and Czechia) is discussing an agreement with USA to station troops there. One can observe lack of enthusiasm and consensus on the issue.
Translation:
Two members of the parliament from the liberal party, part of the government’s coalition, were drenched with water. They carried Ukrainian flags and right wing parliamentarians tried to tear them away. Parliamentary session was interrupted.
The unusual scenes in the parliament reflect divisions in the popular opinion concerning the crisis in the east [i.e. Ukraine, the eastern neighbor]. According to the last poll, 44% of Slovaks blame NATO for the increased tensions, and 34% view it as the fault of Russia.
——————
BTW, Polish government plans a military aid to Ukraine, but approaches the issue “delicately”. If there is anyone Poles dislike more than Russian, these are “patriotic Ukrainians”. With two millions of Ukrainian workers and similar language, Poles are well aware that there are big divisions within Ukraine (not a homogenous mass perceived by British and Americans), and that young people of military age prefer to work abroad than to serve in the army. The last batch of “aid” were military uniform that were to be replaced anyway.
In any case, the vision of Anglo-Saxon strategists that EU east of Germany+Austria is enthusiastic about resisting Russia with American help ignores complexity between and within those countries.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 9 2022 13:56 utc | 158

@Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 9 2022 13:56 utc | 157
What would help solidify support for Ukraine in Poland?
or
What, in the minds of US planners, would help solidify support for Ukraine in Poland?
Careful, the wrong answer might get your post blocked.

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2022 14:07 utc | 159

OT, but something weird is up with Tel Aviv airport.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 9 2022 14:12 utc | 160

“Europe Should Leave NATO Behind And Integrate With Russia”
Easier said than done. After listening to Macron during the presser in Moscow I would say almost impossible. All the European leaders and bureaucrats have grown in the shadow of uncle Sam and for them their careers are way more important that Europe or even their native countries, listening to characters like Borrell, Von Der Leyen, Baerbock and even Macron, there’s no way these guys are going to do anything to get rid of the occupation.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 9 2022 14:19 utc | 161

If you disagree with the dominant “official” narrative then
your “wrong think” makes you a [Troll].
Posted by: librul | Feb 8 2022 19:58 utc | 41

increasingly cringeworthy commentariat
Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 8 2022 19:48 utc | 37

@Hoyeru | Feb 8 2022 19:22 utc | 29
@Useless meat beater | Feb 8 2022 19:48 utc | 37
Now in English please: your point is?
Posted by: Idiocrates | Feb 8 2022 20:06 utc | 45

Q.E.D. (Or was that ironic trolling by the idiot?)

Posted by: troll_or_hasbara | Feb 9 2022 14:30 utc | 162

What would help solidify support for Ukraine in Poland?
or
What, in the minds of US planners, would help solidify support for Ukraine in Poland?
Careful, the wrong answer might get your post blocked.
Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2022 14:07 utc | 158
I cannot fathom the minds of “US planners” (think tankers with temporary leaves from cushy jobs to work in the government?). In Poland, it would be very well received if Ukraine renamed a bunch of names bestowed recently on streets, stadiums etc., and remove statures honoring people orchestrating a huge massacre of Poles in 1943/44. On that, you cannot please Canadians and Poles in the same time.
On March 5, 2021, at the session of the Ternopil City Council is name after Roman Shukhevych.[3] The Ukrainian Association of Football however has not adopted the new stadium’s name and refers to it by its previous name. [4]
The stadium holds 15,150 spectators after the reconstruction in 2011.
The stadium is located on the Bandera memorial street in the “Old Park” in the city of Ternopil.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 9 2022 14:43 utc | 163

pretzelattack | 153
> >Nor was he dying of fentanyl poisoning.
Except. The toxicology report/autopsy found that he did die from the fentanyl, not the cops knees.
I know this isn’t the msm narrative. But most events are not reported correctly

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 14:56 utc | 164

Scotch Bingeington | 159
OT, but something weird is up with Tel Aviv airport.
> Israel Defense Forces @IDF. In response to the anti-aircraft missile launched from Syria earlier tonight, we just struck surface-to-air missile targets in Syria, including radar & anti-aircraft batteries.
> Aaron Maté. @aaronjmate In response to Syria defending itself from our attack, we just attacked Syria again

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 15:10 utc | 165

Petri Krohn @151–
Yes, the EU certainly allowed itself to get fucked-up by Nuland/Obama/Biden in 2014 as Putin has described numerous times. Looking deeper into the OSCE Treaty issue that ties into Russia’s security proposals, the aimed for national versus group responses to Lavrov’s Letter is essentially a declaration of sovereignty if the principle of indivisible security is stood-by or a declaration of fealty if not, as the Outlaw US Empire clearly wants all NATO nations to renege on their OSCE Treaty commitments, since doing so is what it demands.
We can now see how the Joint Declaration becomes part of this drama; it more than signals–it states directly–what Russia and China are standing up for, what they see as most important to the upholding of individual nation and global sovereignty in a direct challenge to the last of the Evil Empires that abides by no law and only recognizes the power of the gun. Zakharova’s statement to RT about Germany being occupied and having zero sovereignty is part of the script in the unfolding drama. The other unstated message is if Germany’s occupied then the EU also lacks sovereignty, and thus there’s no possibility of doing anything independently as long as the current conditions exist. This begs the question, Why hasn’t Russia just come right out and said as much? Well, it has if you’ve listed to Lavrov for the last two years and Putin to a lesser degree. And Putin’s praise for Macron’s efforts stems from that understanding, that France, Germany, and EU are all vassals but at least France has made an independent, albeit weak, effort.
Russia will prevail if the EU remains a vassal; but the EU is already becoming unstable because of its vassalage. Russia and China say: Breakout and join with the EAEU/SCO/CSTO dynamo and leave your chains behind.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 9 2022 15:12 utc | 166

Still no official transcript of Zakharova’s interview with RT, but the video is embedded in this article recapping its important points.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 9 2022 15:30 utc | 167

re: information warfare
…from yahoodotcom

. . .Conflicting reports of how likely Russia is to invade have left many people unsure what to believe. “The information space is absolutely polluted,” said Russia analyst Ivana Stradner, a Jeane Kirkpatrick visiting research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
Stradner says we’re in the midst of Kremlin-instigated “information warfare” — a type of hybrid war.” Russia is really a master in information operations,” she said, adding that information warfare is a form of asymmetric fighting that ranges from pounding home false narratives and spreading disinformation campaigns across social media to launching cyberattacks on government and media sites. .The ploy is starting to work, Stradner said, at least in Eastern Europe, where polls show half of Russians and nearly half of Slovakians and former East Germans believe that NATO and the U.S. are the culprits in the Russia-Ukraine crisis. . .. . .here

The article includes a photo of Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia’s deputy ambassador to the U.N., who put a (well-deserved) verbal hurt on the US at the UNSC recently as he called the U.S. assessments “madness and scaremongering,” dismissing them as “propaganda.” We need more of that.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 9 2022 15:30 utc | 168

I can only hope that Macron isn’t playing games with Russia, due to the US backstabbing the French on Australian submarines, and that he is genuinely turning towards Russia and away from the US. The same could be said of Scholtz and Germany, Biden has no right whatsoever to interfere in a German/Russian deal and infrastructure to supply fuel to Germany.
The US is only in Europe to further its own interests at the expense of Europeans, the Atlanticists in Europe need to be convinced that Europe would be better off with its own forces united and in their own defence club outwith Nato, and to normalise relations with Russia. Its quite remarkable that Russia even after all the aggression aimed towards it, mainly US driven, still sees a link with Europe in its future plans, surely some European leaders will sit up and take notice of this and realise that Europe will be a much safer and prosperous place with Russia onboard.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 9 2022 15:41 utc | 169

@ Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2022 6:13 utc | 130
Franklin D. Roosevelt for one. His record in breaking up the Industrial and Financial monopolies that were looting the American people during the Great Depression is remarkable.
He was a President that acted on behalf of his people, not the oligarchical elites, and left his country a fairer, more prosperous Society. A prosperity that lasted until his reforms were undermined and subverted from the 70’s onwards.
He wasn’t much interested in Foreign Policy. The American people did not want too involve themselves in Wars abroad, or pay for a gigantic military.
But when WW2 forced it’s way into the centre of American policy he made the right strategic decisions both at home and abroad.
He wasn’t perfect, there were things done ( Like the internment of Americans with a Japanese background) that were shameful.
But he was a world class Statesman who left his society, and the world, a better place.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 15:54 utc | 170

Putin looks a lot like this centuries FDR.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 16:03 utc | 171

Russia won’t trust the EU anymore than the USA. They are all liars, thieves and murderers. Russia will only do some business deals but the Party/Relationship is over. He asked Xi to cover his back while he moves his military from the East to the West. Only a Fool would trust or even think about making a deal with the West – Putin isn’t a Fool. Spacibo

Posted by: GMC | Feb 9 2022 16:07 utc | 172

@schkid | Feb 9 2022 11:44 utc | 148
A but clumsy to bump off the brother who hadn’t visited Putin in the exact same way, doesn’t that ruin your narrative. Didn’t Olaf Palme want to talk over the faux U-boat scare with Gorbachev before, you know? Disarmament expert David Kelly before Iraq; journalist Michael Hastings; DNC guy Seth Rich. When they don’t even try to investigate, you know the score. With Assange, they at least had the frankness to discuss the kinetic option openly; I imagine they regret how that kinda boxes them in now.
Reminds me of Carmine Falcone discussing the Rachel problem in Batman Begins. “We’ll pay her off.” “Not this one.” “Idealist huh? Well, there’s an answer to that too.”
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@Heiko | Feb 9 2022 10:38 utc | 143
Bingo! Look at the media frenzy over “Putin’s pipeline” and the “genocide games”; but RF/CN have more-or-less learned to live with this. If a major German pol were to go truly off-script, think how quickly Volkswagens would become “Hitler cars”. Start discussing dollar sanctions in Congress, and Berlin would beg for forgiveness pronto. They won’t grow the balls of the Afghans at least until they have as little to lose as the Afghans.
With Piotr Berman bringing up Poland and the internal differences in each country: wasn’t there a Polish general who said something like: “These Maidan guys are literally the (grand)children of those who impaled my uncle against his own barn door with a pitchfork.” So there was some resistance to getting with the program. Then Obama told the Polaks: “Let me introduce you to some friendly, helpful people who want to talk about Polish Holocaust reparations. Just give them 40, 50 billion and we won’t mention it any more.” The Poles of course capitulated promptly.
At the end of the day, the Euros are at least as much partners-in-crime as they are victims. No need for pity when they get what they want and deserve.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 16:10 utc | 173

Russian integration with Europe and without the US would be the ultimate win-win. Ok, maybe not so much for a deflating hegemon … regardless, I don’t see any chance at present to further this common sense idea. There are still far too many russophobes in places of power and influence that simply do not want to see ‘defence’ budgets – or the lining of their own pockets – decreased.
This is one truly, fucked up world.

Posted by: rgl | Feb 9 2022 16:25 utc | 174

Two corrections to some ideas here that may be helpful: Russia is neither entirely European nor entirely Asian, but a healthful mixture of both. Moscow orients (just my view) to Asia with European aspects. (Italian architecture in many of the Kremlin churches – St. Basil Cathedral oriental, turban topped. Saint Petersburg orients very obviously to Europe; it was built to be a Western oriented capital by Peter the Great. Most great classical culture historically speaking – music, literature, architecture,religion – has elements of both East and West combined. All Russians know this well. Only some of us in the west need to be educated, though many of us here know it also.
Second point – New Zealand is another country which benefited enormously from US presence during WW2. The country had mobilized its own armed forces early in support of what many still considered “the home country” before Japan became a threat to the Pacific nations. I was three years old when my grandmother was welcoming young Yanks for dinner whenever they had leave – her own sons were far off in North Africa (one died there) so the country had been a ripe plum waiting for conquest. The only thing the Americans conquered there was our hearts – we live close to where troops were stationed during the conflict and some of the young men who came to my grandmother’s house at first, sadly didn’t come back after some of the battles to the north. But then, when peace came, they all left, but in a good way. They were not forced out; they went home.
So it’s extremely sad that now New Zealand is considered a bolt hole by wealthy Americans. I guess the more wealth you have, the less you know where your real home is. Those Yank soldiers knew.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 9 2022 16:26 utc | 175

Europe–especially Germany–is essentially an American Trojan Horse. This also applies to France, particularly since the Nicolas Sarkozy regime to now.
As such, any “integration” that Europe, led by Germany and France, proposes with Russia will effectively allow the enemy (cough, the United States) inside the gates.
Now, if France were to return to Charles De Gaulle or even Jacque Chirac style politics, that might be a different story.
However, this involves driving out American “regime change” assets like Macron, Sarkozy, or their clones. The applies even more to Germany (and leaders like Annalena Baerbock)–not to mention the American military, which has been occupying Germany for over 70 years!
Do the Germans and French have the balls to do this?

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 9 2022 16:34 utc | 176

@Petri Krohn | Feb 9 2022 12:35 utc | 151
The way I see it, finishing NS2 unilaterally was the last phase of “old Putin”: saving Europe from itself, they’ll-come-around, let’s-all-be-partners, … All those pieties duly parroted by the “pro-Russian side”. Not claiming to have foreseen events, but did it make sense in retrospect? If Europe can be stopped from building NS2, why couldn’t they be stopped from operating it? Shouldn’t these lessons have been learned after the South Stream debacle? If “new Putin” has decided to slap those ingrates around a bit, then godspeed.
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@DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 15:54 utc | 169
You may have special insights into FDR (I almost typed “PDF” lol) the person which I lack, but a hundred times no for the FDR admin. The party that didn’t want war was the US public. “FDR” thought it imprudent to let a single power dominate the Eurasian landmass–the one unchanging American policy. So he started a fuel blockade of Japan out of the public eye, and went out of his way with intel magic to mislead Tokyo about his intentions. When Pearl Harbor came as expected, he had the Japs exactly where he wanted them. The sailors stationed in Hawaii were… useful in the bigger picture. Hell, for all I know, it might’ve been the right policy, but we have to see it for what it is.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 16:36 utc | 177

I should have said “lived” above at 174. My grandmother’s house, an old Victorian, veranda and all,the home of my childhood, only lives now in our memories.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 9 2022 16:37 utc | 178

@ Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 16:36 utc | 176
No special insights, just an opinion based on my reading of history.
The arguement that the USA deliberately forced Japan into war by refusing to sell it the materials needed to wage war ( such as fuel) is frequently made.
However, Japan’s military conquest and colonisation of neighbours (Korea and China) had been underway for some years by then and America was under no obligation to literally fuel the Japanese military while it was doing so.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 17:01 utc | 179

@ Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 7:53 utc | 135 and to your many other posts here today… thanks for your reply.. clearly, you’re a very good writer – you could be an actual writer, but the funny thing is as smart as i think you are, i am a bit confused as to what all your words ultimately mean! this is not a criticism ( more of a reflection on my inability to get what you are ultimately saying!)… i enjoy your writing and what you have to say, but i am unclear as to what you are really trying to say! “russia needs to kick the usa in the balls…” or something like that.. i could really latch onto that previous comment and agreed with you… i keep thinking time is on russias side and the usa is on a real downhill slope here… maybe i am wrong, but if it means we don’t have to have ww3 any time soon, and a new multipolar world can eventually come forward, we are all the better for it… maybe i am in just as much of a rush as you, but i know how things take time to unfold…
@ Petri Krohn | Feb 9 2022 12:35 utc | 151… excellent commentary… so, what is the way to move forward here? thanks…

Posted by: james | Feb 9 2022 17:10 utc | 180

“Europe” is a colony of the Imperialist States of Amerikastan. Colonies exist to be looted by the coloniser. They do not have any independent agency. As such the answer is clear.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 9 2022 17:22 utc | 181

I’ve personally seen and heard US elites–the second-stringers in the US academy–say upfront things like NATO is the cart we Americans hook up to the European horse so that we the US can ride. It continually bewilders me that the various European nations of NATO, and their political elites, and in particular their conservative ones, are ostrich-like in their unwillingness to see or hear this obviousness.
Europeans, the people and nations, are certainly grown-up enough for them to make their ways through the affairs of the world on their own, without our telling them what to do and when. Why aren’t they doing it? What is wrong with the political/cultural/economic elites there where they assent to being our tools for our uses? I ask European readers for their answers. Nobody who counts this side of the Atlantic is willing to answer this, and hell, none are willing (or have wit enough) to ask it either.

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Feb 9 2022 17:30 utc | 182

Busting up Nato would inevitably bust up the EU because
for sure Poland and the Baltic states would never agree.
So short of a catastrophe — such as war om Europe — nothing will
happen. I think Merkel and probably Scholz understand that without
NS2 Germany will have to rely on the USA for energy supplies, but they
may not have the power to prevent cancellation.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 9 2022 17:33 utc | 183

I hate saying this but there is no real solution to these issues unless the US is broken, impotent, yanked out of geopolitics. No treaty means much of anything. Ask any Plains Indian.
Take a good look at the bizarre behavior of Britain in their obsession with Russia. Is this because they fantasize that they are still an empire? Another weird example is Lithuania. They seem determined to injure their dying nation while fighting China, Russia and Belarus. Where are their voters? Or even females of child bearing age?
Even if the dollar collapses and riots begin, Congress will obsess with Russia, China and a long list of other adversaries. Even with cities aflame in the ’60’s, they kept pushing war.
The Deep State and NATO need a brief war with Russia against Ukraine ASAP – to cement the vassalhood of the EU as the Eurasian alliance gets stronger. Like punching someone in the nose and then screaming “he hit me ! Aggression !” Russia needs digital yuan for trade or something like it and tech goods from China to defeat the last gasp of sanctions. Tic Tok……..

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 9 2022 17:36 utc | 184

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 8:29 utc | 136
“Are @pretzelattack and @veto still around? Re-reading their words, would you agree that your positions have much in common with Scott Ritter’s? Paraphrasing, he argues that the New Cold War sounds more intense than the old one, turbocharged by a Silicon Valley that didn’t even exist back then. But that’s just the point, it’s all propaganda–a simulacrum as some self-important circles would say. The West’s corrupt, COVID-stricken militaries haven’t fought an actual war in decades, and sure as hell aren’t starting now. Actual intel gathering has atrophied; diplomat posts go to campaign donors; “Russia scholars” are mostly arms salesmen with Harvard degrees.”
Sorry if I missed out on some discussion in the last thread. Scott Ritter sure knows what he is talking about. He knows about the military and the intelligence stuff, the decline that has taken place in those areas. But you can widen the scope. Everything in the west, schools, universities, government, now also public health, is turning into perception management and narrative production, often largely controlled or at least directed by narrative specialists in the “intelligence” agencies. There is almost nothing real left. The principles of sales and entertainment, wildly successful American concepts, combined with a certain kind of religious-philosophical belief in the primacy of narrative (“we create reality”) among the elite, has driven this development. But I think or at least hope that it can’t go on for much longer.

Posted by: veto | Feb 9 2022 17:47 utc | 185

@ Posted by: Daniel N. White | Feb 9 2022 17:30 utc | 181
What is wrong with the political/cultural/economic elites there where they assent to being our tools for our uses? I ask European readers for their answers.
The answer is, US ownership and control of mass media in Europe. It forms public opinion, and public opinion shapes elections.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 18:09 utc | 186

It is interesting – Biden is perfect president for this moment in history. Europeans are being forced to submit to this nasty puppet, barking orders.
Bureacracies have a distributed intelligence (or lack of) and power such that it can be difficult to locate the source of whats driving policy. I think in this case it may be the janitor.
The west is the “west” because of the owners.
Empire that is isnt growing is dying.

Posted by: jared | Feb 9 2022 18:16 utc | 187

It would, perhaps be fairer to say…
Ownership and control of European media by Multi national Corporations and oligarchs with a pro US Elite Economic and Foreign policy Agenda.
If you don’t support the stealthy selling off of valuable, Public, assets, to “Private Enterprise”. The handing over of rights, powers and responsibilities of a State to “For profit” Corporations and an exploitative Foreign policy you face years of Slander, dishonest, malicious misrepresentation and abuse before an election.
Which you will lose.
Just ask Jeremy Corbyn

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 18:28 utc | 188

Ma Laoshi @140:
Nice synopsis @140. May I add that what French/Dutch did to Java princes back in those days, ‘Muricans did exactly the same to Europeans with Marshall Plan in the 40’s-50’s. The results are three generations of ‘Murican lackeys looming and ruling Europe up to today.
I don’t yet see anyone but more ‘Murican brain-washed lackeys to rise up when replacements of present lackeys are necessary, and I also see herds of new ‘Murican lackeys being bred in New Europe. This European spiral downward move is gonna last a while yet.
One correction from the above: Charles De Gaulle wasn’t one of those lackeys. Bernie Montgomery wasn’t one either, but he never ruled. Non-lackeys are far and in between. Sigh!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 9 2022 18:30 utc | 189

@DaveGood | Feb 9 2022 17:01 utc | 178
The fuel blockage itself is one thing. But deliberately letting Pearl Harbor pass so as to break the mold domestically and misinforming Tokyo that they’d largely get away with it, i.e. get your casus belli on, is quite another. You’re right of course that I wasn’t there, just going by what I read; but those sources seemed solid.
For me this is not abstract good-old-times stuff, in view of the PNAC’s pining for a “Pearl-Harbor type catalizing moment” (I don’t have the exact quote handy)–somewhere around the year 2000 I believe? Methinks they knew the score. We may like to call the war hawks “stupid” but given how they’ve rolled the entire West, what does that make us?
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@juliania | Feb 9 2022 16:26 utc | 174
Touching stories. But even as we’re debating what their own govt was planning for them, those GI’s were, well, Americans. They’d have never conceived of themselves as a warrior caste. It’s a completely different country now, and therefore necessarily a completely different military. Multiple momentous changes in fact, the latest ongoing one of which transforms the Warrior Caste into a “diverse”, multicultural, intersectional–how do you even call something like that?
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@james | Feb 9 2022 17:10 utc | 179
You’re too kind, next drink’s on me. And you’re on to something. I’ve indeed written a bunch of academic papers; part of the reason for the past-perfect tense may be that the scholarly style felt like a straitjacket dumbing me down, rather than something lifting me up. I had an op-ed in a national newspaper accepted (Maidan-related IIRC), they were asking for my photo and bank account, and then… crickets. Never heard from them again. After the third time or so, I just gave up; can’t be the only one with such an experience here. Going by my personal contacts with Europeans, at the end of the day there’s no grand conspiracy; they are what they are: “Wir haben es nicht gewusst, und wir wollen es auch nicht wissen.”
In fact nowadays I do teach English writing among other things (though not to English majors), without any formal qualifications whatsoever. The best days are when a student tells you: “We have other laoshi who’re just as good, but you are the only funny one.”
Why I write here… well one can find booze in the fridge, but one visits the bar for the company! In a large part I surely write for myself: topics related to Central Europe and Cold War are personal for me; then in a later phase, China became personal as well–I don’t think those matter to others here.
These days, what pains me most is maybe Taiwan boxing itself in as completely as Ukraine, with hints of the same theatrics though not the violence. Begging to be abused and discarded. It boggles the mind, the Taiwanese are just about the best-educated people anywhere, and I see no hate in them. Then again, Central Europe isn’t exactly a low-IQ backwater either. If I knew how to make more of a difference I’d go for it, but I don’t. I’ve had this discussion with my parents’ generation: alumni of the Soviet Bloc should know what propaganda is; but in another sense they don’t, because post-modern magic coupled with the PR techniques of the commercial sector have birthed something that completely transcends what Pravda (or religious clergy) could ever muster.
Anyway, Chinese New Year is over, I’d better saddle up and get back to my job.
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@ak74 | Feb 9 2022 16:34 utc | 175
Like you, I see the current activity more as the poodles carrying water for their master, having duly received their marching orders in Washington. More a good-cop/bad-cop thing than the true awakening our host hopes for. I think Tim Kirby has a point over at Strategic Culture: smiling American pros have endlessly bamboozled gullible Russki’s, even long after Yeltsin was gone. Of course that’s what will be tried first. So for god’s sake listen to the Chinese: they’ve been writing about power for 4000 years; they’re confident and pragmatic; they don’t pray to the God of Israel, which saves your mind from a ton of taboos. In short, they may be the only ones who can go mano a mano with the jews in Premier League.
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@Republicofscotland | Feb 9 2022 15:41 utc | 168
“the Atlanticists in Europe need to be convinced”
No, Atlanticists are collaborators with the foreign occupier, which should inform us on how to deal with them; funny if the Taliban know the law better than us. For people for whom this is too hot-headed, we may use Pepe Escobar’s “comprador elites”. Again, Dutch and French know how colonialism works, no use pretending otherwise.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 19:18 utc | 190

Angela Merkel had her phoned tapped. By this point, every euro politician should be considered compromised… Since J Edgar Hoover til Jeffrey Epstein this is the yanks modus operandi. Collect dirt on everybody and keep them on a leash.

Posted by: Cave Canem | Feb 9 2022 19:44 utc | 191

If I may, this Karaganov, just as retired Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov have all been activated to muddy Putin’s efforts as well as attempt to pull Russia-China nexus apart. Who stands to benefit? Russia should maintain its eastward orientation. The sickness/insanity affecting both US/EU is not Russia’s problem to fix or be hampered with denying it a future of prosperity. The US/EU should ween themselves off tribal hate, racism, wokeness, worship of blood letting (War) and Mammon before re engaging with other people’s of the world. Period.

Posted by: Gankanas | Feb 9 2022 19:48 utc | 192

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 9 2022 16:34 utc | 176

…However, this involves driving out American “regime change” assets like Macron, Sarkozy, or their clones. The applies even more to Germany (and leaders like Annalena Baerbock)–not to mention the American military, which has been occupying Germany for over 70 years!
Do the Germans and French have the balls to do this?

It’s a question of awareness rather than balls. Your suggestion would be completely abstract to the general public. And as DaveGood suggests @ 186, the final arbiter here is public opinion.
This is why it so important to to chip away at the dominant narrative at every opportunity we get. Certainly not an easy task when faced against the Empire’s firepower. Still worth a shot, in my opinion. This is why I cringe every time I read fellow barflies inadvertently strengthening the narrative with what they imagine are easy pokes at the Empire. Setting unrealistic, naive, premises simply to demonstrate evidence of failure is short sided. We should expose and denounce the Empire’s operations rather than deride and minimize their success.

Posted by: robin | Feb 9 2022 19:49 utc | 193

@Daniel N. White | Feb 9 2022 17:30 utc | 182
“I ask European readers for their answers.”
Prof. Mearsheimer is no blind ideologue; I don’t think he’s even a high-functioning psycho a la Kissinger or the Stratfor guy Friedman; hell I like him. But did you see that video of him threatening the Australians in their own house? “Security-wise, you’ll go with us, regardless of the economic cost. For if not, then in our eyes, you’re now feeding the beast, which makes you an enemy of the United States. And you don’t want that–just ask Fidel Castro. The USA is a ruthless great power–it does not tolerate peer competitors.”
If the Eurotrash step all over Putin, he’ll be back tomorrow “to continue the dialogue”. If they so much as fail to amplify Biden’s lies, the pain starts immediately* in the very media that brought them to power. This has less to do with the “Russian soul” or with individuals (though Trump was grossly inept at keeping the Empire in line, and mostly couldn’t even be bothered), but with who controls *the media *the payment system *the GPS system *Windows/Android/MacOS *the NY vaults where their own gold may or may not reside *the credit-rating agencies determining who gets the big money, deliberately left a corrupt oligopoly after the 2008 debacle *IMF/World Bank *UN headquarters. That’s just off the top of my hat, and others will know much better. You don’t think Britain is a nuclear power do you? The Trident system is leased from, and maintained by, the Americans; a Goodfellas style 30 billion British tribute to their capo, so that they may cling to a Security-Council seat that should long have been India’s.
Yeah, keep saying “Yanks R stoopid LOL”. OK, Joe Biden doesn’t disprove it most days, but the post-WWII empire builders knew how to play for keeps. Even at this late “Fall of Rome” stage, the USA has irreversibly cemented Kiev in its orbit (for whatever good that does them), even as they impoverished the place — something which Moscow is only waking up to now.
I’m at a very low level, not even in the loop. But believe me, when the Chinese make up the balance of what it’d take to “go it alone”, they realize you just can’t leapfrog decades of development all at once, even with their scale advantages.
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*Immediacy is key. “Russia will respond in a manner and time of its own choosing” was always a cope, putting a brave face on impotence. A delayed response can’t be sold as a response, it will instead become a new unprovoked aggression by the Russian bogeyman, thus meriting further punishment.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 20:22 utc | 194

Could not agree more, b.
NATO is more of a danger to this world
Than it is a prophylactic

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 9 2022 20:32 utc | 195

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 9 2022 12:35 utc | 152
Spot on, Petri, the containment of Russia, her ultimate destruction breaking her into small statelets then turning them into vassal states not unakin to the West European countries is the ultimate goal, the scrapping of the Nord-2, later also the Full Monty of the Russian fossil fuel supplies to Europe the immediate target.
If the US succeeds, Germany (and hence the EU) will lose sovereignty fully, who controls the energy supply controls everything else, it may need Germany to de-couple from the US to affirm its independence. Does the new man have the guts to do it? Hmmm

Posted by: Baron | Feb 9 2022 20:36 utc | 196

@Daniel N. White | Feb 9 2022 17:30 utc | 182
Not to mention that all the faces on TV come from “Young Leaders” programs run by the German Marshall Fund, the Carnegie Foundation, … What does it matter what they’re called, “There is only one Lord of the Rings and he does Not! Share! Power!”
Bottom line, Europe is diligently nurturing its own traitors. Any competent colonial system should run this way. Not quite claiming Anders Breivik did a good thing, but the liberation of Europe would be a titanic struggle if one is at all serious. I’d argue the rot starts at an even younger age, with parents apparently paying for “anti-racist/anti-whiteness training” of their own children. Anything to mold them in a Silicon Valley world view, with a big helping of Holocaust guilt on top.
In order to castrate the Afghans spiritually, and replace their culture with superior jewish culture, NATO spent $780 million on gender initiatives in those mountains. Now was this all-in or just last year. Either way, the Afghans said “I’d rather have this cup pass me by”, and kicked the orcs out; do we have their integrity? “Cultural sensitivity” is one of those things that sounds so good, how can anyone be against it. But I’m not the only one noticing that it’s one-way traffic in practice: how many Europeans here have marched recently to demand respect for their culture?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 20:57 utc | 197

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 9 2022 15:30 utc | 167
I watched the video Karl. I do not understand why Maria does not do these interviews in English. She is an excellent speaker of the language, so I know she can do it. She works for the Foreign Ministry, so her focus is overseas. So why put this additional barrier between a captivating woman and her audience? It makes no sense to me.

Posted by: John Cleary | Feb 9 2022 21:07 utc | 198

@ Ma Laoshi | Feb 9 2022 19:18 utc | 190… thanks and a belated happy chinese new year to you as well! i was thinking if you weren’t into writing, maybe you were a lawyer, but regardless it is fun to get to know more about you.. thank you for all that! my wife and i have a friend who lives in taiwan who sends us onlong tea every so often.. it is fantastic… it is a type of green tea… we both talk of going on a holiday to taiwan, but have yet to do it, other then a stop over in 2016 on the way to malaysia… maybe we will go yet.. i would like that…

Posted by: james | Feb 9 2022 21:36 utc | 199

Russia has been begging about so called Euro integration since that useless drunk Yeltsin,heck I definitely remember Putin in his early years giving an embarrassing speech about how “Europe and Russia” belong together.This kind of disgusting Russian europhilia is what brought down the USSR in the first place and doomed the whole Eastern and central Europe into being deindustrialized labor force for Westerners.

Posted by: Yolo | Feb 9 2022 21:43 utc | 200