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February 28, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 5 | Money War On Russia – Day 1

Historian Anne Morelli has summarized Arthur Ponsonby's classic book Falsehood in War-Time as this:

  1. We do not want war.
  2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
  3. The enemy is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
  4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interests.
  5. The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
  6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
  7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
  8. Recognized artists and intellectuals back our cause.
  9. Our cause is sacred.
  10. All who doubt our propaganda are traitors.

h/t Bernd Neuner

As an example I offer you yesterday's Policy statement by Olaf Scholz, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany

The above are what you hear and see in current 'western' news. It is not reality.

The U.S. and its proxies in the EU and elsewhere have put up very harsh sanctions on Russia to damage its economy.

The final intent of this economic war is regime change in Russia.

The likely consequence will be regime change in many other countries.

This war is waged at a financial size that is unprecedented. The consequences in all markets will be very significant to extreme. But experience from Iran shows that such financial wars have their limits as the targeted country learns to survive. Moreover Russia is in a much stronger position than Iran ever was and is better prepared for the consequences.

The rubel fell some 30% today but Russia's central bank immediately more than doubled its interest rate to 20%. It is willing to fight inflation before it is really sets in. How much of Russia's investment and consumption depends on imports from the 'west'? Can't most of it not be replaced by imports from China?

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

'Western' central banks are still at practical 0% interest rates and will be reluctant to increase those as that will cause a deeper recession. This makes it likely that inflation in the 'western' world will increase at a higher rate than Russia's.

Germany's crazy move to add $120 billion to defense spending (up from some $40 billion p.a.) will within a few years create a strong military imbalance in Europe as Germany will then dominate all its neighbors. This is unnecessary and historically very dangerous. The shunning of economic relations with Russia and China means that Germany and its newbie chancellor Olaf Scholz have fallen for the U.S. scheme of creating a new Cold War. Germany's economy will now become one of its victims.

On February 4 Russia and China declared a multipolar world in which they are two partnering poles that will counter the American one. Russia's move into the Ukraine is a demonstration of that.

It also shows that the U.S. is unwilling to give up its supremacist urges without a large fight. But while the U.S. over the last 20 years has spent its money to mess up the Middle East, Russia and China have used the time to prepare for the larger conflict. They have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe's real strategic interests. 

Some tactical observations:

This map shows the ground taken by Russian military over the first days.


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This map shows the likely current intent of the Russian forces.


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  • There are 12 to 15 brigades of Ukrainian forces (blue) at the Donbas front. If the Russian's (red) move fast enough they can cut those off from the rest of the country or bomb them while they try to escape on the only big road between those two pincer arrows.
  • After a lull Russia has reintroduced Su-34 fighters to Ukraine. They will attack Ukrainian troop concentrations.
  • The Russian elements north of Crimea have taken two important bridges and crossed the Dnieper towards the west. This opens the way to Odessa further west as well as for a march northward towards Kiev on the western side of the Dnieper.
Comments

Sputnik has just published this brief report on the talks. Further talks to be held.
Putin told Macron:
“While the French head of state expressed hope for the swift resolution of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine via dialogue and talks with Kiev, Putin pointed out that such resolution would only be possible if Russia’s legitimate security interests are taken into account, such as recognition of Russia’s sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula, as well as demilitarisation and denazification of the Ukrainian state and ensuring its neutral status.
“Putin also stressed that Russian troops do not threaten civilians and do not conduct strikes against civilian targets in Ukraine.” [My Emphasis]
The only entity that can fulfill Russia’s requirements is Russia, a fact that ought to be beyond crystal clear by now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 16:46 utc | 101

A good read from Paul Craig Roberts and Glenn Greenwald, is full scale war inevitable. The US public could be onboard for an all-out war.
“while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that ‘52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests’ with almost no partisan division (56% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats), while ‘85% of Americans now view Russia unfavorably while 15% have a positive opinion of it.’”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/27/difficult-to-find-a-way-out-of-the-war-that-is-enveloping-us/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 16:47 utc | 102

oh yeah, forgot to add, US domestic market has really never relied on trans Atlantic oil, what we get is something to put in the empty cargo hold coming back; this dependence on foreign oil has always been a marketing lie, used by financiers to justify speculation, or oil companies when they’re looking for domestic subsidies or another pipeline. IF we could get good figures that took US military usage out of the equation, our domestic reliance on trans-Atlantic oil is nominal at best. OilPrice is suggesting we’ll be energy independent by next year. Thanks again for the great work!

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Feb 28 2022 16:48 utc | 103

Posted by: Circe | Feb 28 2022 14:25 utc | 8
It might be habde to use web archive (http://archive.org) to read older articles when the site is disappeared, DDoSed or just has a paywall.
Does not work always but is often worth the try

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 28 2022 16:51 utc | 104

also, that pinching action by Russia might be necessary to essentially hold them hostage to demand talks. Putin is a great tactician. The 3 sides attack prevents them actually resisting the real focus, the pinching in the center, capture of most everything East of the Kiev River. He’s a judo fighter through and through.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Feb 28 2022 16:52 utc | 105

Again, entities only become “energy independent” when they die. The Outlaw US Empire is massively energy dependent and cannot extract enough from its own resources and thus imports the rest of its needs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 16:53 utc | 106

https://summit.news/2022/02/28/mi6-chief-faces-backlash-for-saying-ukraine-war-is-about-lgbt-rights/

Richard Moore (he/him), leader of Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, made the comments in a Twitter thread.
“With the tragedy and destruction unfolding so distressingly in Ukraine, we should remember the values and hard won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights. So let’s resume our series of tweets to mark #LGBTHM2022,” he wrote.

Posted by: librul | Feb 28 2022 16:53 utc | 107

@Tuyzentfloot | Feb 28 2022 16:02 utc | 84
“The German increase in military budget can mean more than one thing, it can mean the ability to run an independent course, independent of US. Though that could be wishful thinking.”
That, in itself, would not be a bad thing necessarily. It all depends on the tonal attitude and mutual respect — i.e., performing the responsible role of providing a healthy center for a new post-USA/UK ecology of European policies.
The confidence of German emergence will proceed when they are able to open up and explain to themselves, via explaining to the rest of us, what they want and are prepared to do to achieve it (and share the mutual benefits). It won’t be easy, nor impossible — just look at what Russia is doing in standing up and defining the red lines they need.
Lots of good possibilities for a justified front-row UN Security Council seat (along with India) in a new configuration. The silence, and having others speak for the country, is the main risk challenge. I personally like the style and my old 2007 X5 is still running beautifully and a pleasure to drive. And the young German couple renting the house next door for a couple of years were fine good people. I met them the other day by chance and their little baby girl is now 3-y.o.
Stand up and join-up with Russia and China and bring in a new world. The rotting Anglo-American sphere is just going through a much needed catharsis and they won’t be going away completely. Stand up, and refute clearly and publicaly (from experience) the facist/nazi temptations that assail all dominant political cultures — apply the cream to the recurring fungal spores and assist others do so to theirs — and help de-criminalise the West.
The Russians are history cycles ahead of the USA/UK — all this residual hatred from Soviet hegemon times in their ex-colonial finges (Polea etc) is exactly what awaits the USA when its fiat paper hegemony folds into a contraction phase. I suspect we are seening it in progress now.
In my view, no one is responsible for past ancestral wrongs done by others — that goes nowhere. But we are all responsible for ensuring things improve into the future.

Posted by: imo | Feb 28 2022 16:53 utc | 108

Further – Helsinki Final Act was violated in Kosovo.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 16:46 utc | 101
Oh, my… Kosovo…
Wasn’t it violated years before by dissolution of USSR and by anschluss of DDR by FRG ?

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 28 2022 16:54 utc | 109

Good talk on present conditions from Grey Zone;
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/02/15/russian-un-ambassador-us-war-propaganda-grayzone/

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 28 2022 16:55 utc | 110

karlof1 (93). You should ask how Germany will find manpower. UK has 10% foreign enlistment in British Army even though it is the smallest since 1800s. Germany simply does not have demographics in its favour – and 40% German soldiers are apparently Russlanddeutsche with some units speaking Russian to each other……….
The birth rate does not favour German military recruitment which is why women have been courted and if you watch German “soldiers” in uniform only the Feldjaeger look martial at all. German “soldiers” push trolleys in supermarkets…in uniform ! I know of no other nation where that is so – then again nowhere else have I seen policemen smoking on duty.
Germany has no manpower either conscript or volunteer.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 16:55 utc | 111

HOW THEY LOOSE THEIR BEARINGS IN ATLANTIS-STAN:
“West is West and East is East, and Twain shall never meet” wrote Kipling. But he was wrong as always even then, ’cause east and west are relative geographical direction: Unlike north and South, there is always some place furter west that is someone else’s Far East. In China (e.g.)”The west” is Xinjiang”. On Japanese world maps, the US of Nort A lie far to the east.
But directions are indeed worth paying some attention to:
I have looked at the photos of buildings struck by mortars, cannon shells or missiles in the capital of The Ukraine, i.e. Kiev.
From the fact that one can see the shades of the Sun are behind the buildings, we may conclude that these buildings have been struck by Ukrainian military long-range weapons mombarding them from the south: Either from the city centre or even the southwestern and southern ouskirts of Kiev.
The Russian forces going for the airport and nuclear reactors north of the city alll have been advancing from the North or the North-East. “Quod erad demonstrandem” (C.E:D.) — that is the proof.
THE DIRECTIONALLY IMPARED North Atlantic failstream media fail to pay any attention to such minor facts as geaography, For Theese failed propagandists the Chiense way of cursing the assuch fits exquisitly. The Chinese word for a thing is “ongxi” and is spelled with the characters for “East-West”. So they say “You’re no North-South, but just a Dong-xi, which means “You’re no human but just some thing!”

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Feb 28 2022 17:00 utc | 112

You should ask how Germany will find manpower.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 16:55 utc | 113

Through higher unemployment, obviously.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 17:00 utc | 113

Matthias @ 75
Yes.
I am at this moment sitting at a cafe, first day to enter this establishment without being required to display a rabies tag. Conversation all around is about the evil Putin. Those few here who can even be talked to are unanimous on the infinite evil of all things Russia . Certain US will prevail effortlessly.
Karlof @ 93
Talks have ended with a promise to talk again. Ukie side began with a demand that Russia withdraw from Crimea. Ukie side also conspicuously put their cellphones on the table so that US minders could listen in.They will talk again, expect nothing.
Russian Ministry of Defence just announced an open humanitarian corridor out of Kiev going to southwest. Urged all citizens to leave city urgently. Of course 2.8 million people do not all leave just like that. Large daytime explosions reported within the city. Most casualties will be caused by dead ender nationalists. Confusion and chaos to follow.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 28 2022 17:03 utc | 114

c1ue (3). from Voltairenet.org I get the impression UAE was left high and dry by US and France over an incoming Houthi missile and changed its jet fighter purchase from French, US, Russian option to buy Chinese.
Also Saudi and UAE etc want to warm up their ties with Iran because they see USA as a perilous ally in the current environment and probably trust neither Israel nor Erdogan with his bases in the Gulf and intrusions into Cypriot gas fields and attempts to redefine maritime interests across to Libya

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 17:03 utc | 115

thank you b and other fine posters…
quote – While I have no doubt that most would be happy to see regime change in Russia, I suspect that the goal of sanctions imposed on Russia is to encourage Russian withdrawal from Ukraine and cessation of attacks on that country.
Posted by: Mike Adamson | Feb 28 2022 15:52 utc | 77
i have read a lot of bullshit in my time, but this gets special status in the bullshit category… have you ever noticed that no matter what sanctions are put on russia the past 10 years – none of them come off? russia is so beyond sanctions… anyone living in this fantasy land needs to head back to the msm and stay their… thanks..

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2022 17:03 utc | 116

@Tuyzentfloot #84
Wiki says Ukraine has 20 brigades – but the existence of private military groups probably means more formations.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2022 17:04 utc | 117

@karlof1 #108
The US is NOT dependent on energy imports – Canada more than makes up for US oil production shortfall, and Canada is a total satellite of the US as has recently been demonstrated.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2022 17:07 utc | 118

too scents (115). You clearly do not know Germany……………unemployment is hardly the issue if you simply do not have them men in the age cohort.
Every German bus has adverts for “Azubis” and every truck is seeking “Nachwuchs”. There are NO available bodies in the age group……..they even talk of recruiting foreigners into Bundeswehr but know that is nonsense.
You really need to live in Germany and see how theoretically absurd your statement is

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 17:07 utc | 119

karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 16:53 utc | 108
What are the percentages of US crude grades now? From what I have read in the past, US has to import deisel because not much diesel can be extracted from the very light fracking crude. also US has been importing heavy crude to suit refineries designed for a specific heavy grade. I think they have been importing Urals grade from Russia for that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 17:08 utc | 120

@82 Not all in Lvov. According to the press service of the Office of the President of Ukraine, the Ukrainian delegation included: Head of the Servant of the People faction David Arakhamia, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov, Advisor to the Head of the Office of the President Mykhailo Podolyak, First Deputy Head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group Andriy Kostin, People’s Deputy Rustem Umerov and Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Mykola Tochitsky.
Some key figures at the meeting. None of whom have been sniped. Yet.

Posted by: dh | Feb 28 2022 17:14 utc | 121

@ptb #72:

Guessing EU will huff and puff until then, and eventually agree it’s best for everyone to deposit dollars or euros into a Chinese bank, who exchanges into ruble or yuan. Washington can then exchange threats with Beijing if they want. (they will want…)

That won’t do. They will have to buy our resources for rubles. Which means they will have to somehow obtain these rubles, either by selling us something we want or by buying them from those who do (China, Korean and Japanese car manufacturers, etc.).

Posted by: S | Feb 28 2022 17:15 utc | 122

Arch Bungle | Feb 28 2022 16:26 utc | 90
All domestic Russian chips are 28 nm or larger which means that they can be manufactured by China or Malaysia. China also produces 16 nm x86 chips that are sanction-proof.

Posted by: Cossack | Feb 28 2022 17:16 utc | 123

@Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 15:49 utc | 74

However, the public sentiment there is certainly not pro-Polish either. Until 1939, Ukraine’s eight western provinces were part of Poland, which pursued a strict nationalistic policy of “Polonization,” banning the use of the Ukrainian language there.

Hmmm, what does that remind me of? The west Ukrainians took out their historic frustration on the east Ukrainians. And now we are back to square one?
Let’s start something better, shall we?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 17:19 utc | 124

@Mike Adamson | Feb 28 2022 15:52 utc | 77

While I have no doubt that most would be happy to see regime change in Russia, I suspect that the goal of sanctions imposed on Russia is to encourage Russian withdrawal from Ukraine and cessation of attacks on that country.

I can assure you nobody is “encouraging” anything any more.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 17:22 utc | 125

Scott Ritter, “Putin’s Nuclear Threat”:
“The Russian invasion of Ukraine, when seen from the perspective of Russia and its leadership, was the result of a lengthy encroachment by NATO on the legitimate national security interests of the Russian state and people. The West, however, has interpreted the military incursion as little more than the irrational action of an angry, isolated dictator desperately seeking relevance in a world slipping out of his control.
“The disconnect between these two narratives could prove fatal to the world. By downplaying the threat Russia perceives, both from an expanding NATO and the provision of lethal military assistance to Ukraine while Russia is engaged in military operations it deems critical to its national security, the U.S. and NATO run the risk of failing to comprehend the deadly seriousness of Putin’s instructions to his military leaders regarding the elevation of the level of readiness on the part of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces.
“Far from reflecting the irrational whim of a desperate man, Putin’s orders reflected the logical extension of a concerted Russian national security posture years in the making, where the geopolitical opposition to NATO expansion into Ukraine was married with strategic nuclear posture. Every statement Putin has made over the course of this crisis has been tied to this policy.
“While the U.S. and NATO can debate the legitimacy of the Russian concerns, to dismiss the national security strategy of a nation that has been subjected to detailed bureaucratic vetting as nothing more than the temper tantrum of an out of touch autocrat represents a dangerous disregard of reality, the consequences of which could prove to be fatal to the U.S., NATO, and the world.
“President Putin has often complained that the West does not listen to him when he speaks of issues Russia deems to be of critical importance to its national security.
“The West is listening now. The question is, is it capable of comprehending the seriousness of the situation?
“So far, the answer seems to be no.”
One needn’t be Russian to comprehend its perspective. One must understand the lengthy underlying context to have a genuine perspective that shines the light on which entity is the greatest danger and the clear aggressor–NATO led Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 17:22 utc | 126

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 16:47 utc | 104
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; …[V]oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
How soon people forget.

Posted by: bubbles | Feb 28 2022 17:26 utc | 128

@Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 16:00 utc | 83

I think though, US got more invasion than it was expecting.

I think you got that right. This was more than most of us expected, and certainly more than the US expected.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 17:26 utc | 129

@Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 16:11 utc | 86

I’ll find it really difficult to trust anything they say in future after the last few days.

Good. If anything, this is the one lesson that people in the west must take to heart. The western ‘elites’ are looking for regime change everywhere, they may find one at home soon.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 17:30 utc | 130

too scents (115). You clearly do not know Germany……………unemployment is hardly the issue if you simply do not have them men in the age cohort.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 17:07 utc | 121

As a Swiss I think I might know a little about both German demographics and employment.
Negative real interest rates and a single currency for all of Europe have allowed very stupid investments to be made to keep Germans employed. With the forced re-alignment of debt markets that game has come to an end.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 17:31 utc | 131

I wonder if the uncharacteristically hysterical reaction to the Russian operation is rooted in certain dirty laundry left behind by the West on the territory of Ukraine.
With the first announcements of weapon shipments I considered that perhaps the bulk of these weapons had already been shipped ages ago and were now merely being accounted for, but there’s been some talk about Russian soldiers coming across a children’s camp(s), alluded to as a concentration camp. So far I’m rating it in the vein of Qanon, since there’s nothing to substantiate it other than rumor and anonymous sources. I know there are several Ukrop right-wing organizations who run youth departments, and they do have training camps for young children who eventually graduate to bolster radical street action and other pseudo-criminal activities — this is well known and has been widely publicized as a great success of democratic patriotism.
From that it isn’t all that far fetched that neo-nazis, when put in charge of children, may be rather negligent in their care, not to speak of conducting some motivated culling. Another possible explanation involves our brave patriots, having been called to the front and subsequently heading for the border, forgetting about their wards for a week, leaving them to fend for themselves. To make it absolutely clear, this is just speculation on my part — these rumors may turn out to be nothing more than rumors.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 28 2022 17:36 utc | 132

Well, I give Chancellor Scholz credit for this (from the link b provided):
“ And so it must be clearly stated that this war is Putin’s war!
It is important to me to specify this. Because reconciliation between Germans and Russians after the Second World War is – and remains – an important chapter of our shared history.
And I know how difficult it is for the many people in our country who were born in Ukraine or Russia to bear the current situation.
We will not, therefore, allow this conflict between Putin and the free world to lead to the reopening of old wounds and to new outbreaks of hostility.”
At first, when I read “Putin’s war” I thought this man is a zealot of the highest order. Then, when I got to the “reopening of old wounds” and “new outbreaks of hostility” section, I thought he was rather smart. Not the first time I’ve experienced that with this Chancellor (like the 900 million euro tab to the Poles).

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 28 2022 17:39 utc | 133

Peter and pretzel @ 6,
“pretzelattack 4 “wow I would have thought Saudi Arabia would be all in.”
China is the worlds largest importer of oil. saudi knows who butters their bread and which way the wind is blowing.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 14:23 utc | 6″
I have a horse trading theory of collapse that I fleshed out somewhat at that numbskull the saker’s MFC last spring. All of the geopolitical theater post- Limits to Growth are in essence dark political acts of performance art – crisis theater. It started with the plandemic, which arrived about 1.5yrs after peak global total oil liquids, and which provided political cover for the repo market crisis.
The horse trading entails the global redistribution of fossil fuel supplies based on practical need, with the nuclear armed and nuclear powered countries getting priority. The elites who manage this global People Farm are not stupid. They pay thousands of very smart people very well, to think this situation through for them. Some of the elite presumably do their own thinking, too.
Regarding Saudi Arabia, according to my theory of horse trading, the House of Saud is destined to be deposed by the West, and the US, as the lion, is slated to receive the lion’s share of remaining Saudi Production. The EU will get much of the rest. This is probably why Saudi is remaining neutral, so as to set the stage for the Saudi horse trade.
Saudia is not doing it for China. In a little known transaction last summer, the Iraqi horse trade already happened when the US handed over Iraqi oil production to the Chinese on a platter. And the removal of sanctions on Iran in part represents a Chinese flex account.
These horse trades are backroom deals that will manifest on the world stage as bilateralism or multilateralism, or in some cases, as protectorates.

Posted by: reante | Feb 28 2022 17:39 utc | 134

@ bevin #13 – that John Helmer link is 11 days old and I can only access it via the wayback machine on https://web.archive.org/web/20220222195717/http://johnhelmer.net/“>http://johnhelmer.net/”>https://web.archive.org/web/20220222195717/http://johnhelmer.net/
It seems they have been having either web server or DNS issues for the past few months.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 28 2022 17:41 utc | 135

@karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 16:33 utc | 93

“‘The Kiev delegation arrived at the Ukrainian-Belarusian border to hold talks with Russia,’ the president’s office stated on its Telegram channel.”
No news of its outcome.

I have been able to access RT on an off today
Ukraine-Russia negotiations have reached ‘certain decisions’
Ceasefire talks hosted by Belarus adjourn for consultations
Moscow and Kiev have found certain things that could be agreed on during the ceasefire talks hosted by Belarus and will return for consultations before the next round, both delegations told reporters after the talks ended on Monday.
The main purpose of the talks was to discuss a ceasefire in Ukraine, said Mykhailo Podolyak, adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The two sides have identified a number of priority topics, on which “certain solutions have been outlined,” he added.
The two delegations found points on which common positions could be reached, confirmed Vladimir Medinsky, aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Monday’s talks, which lasted for nearly five hours, took place in Belarus near the Russian and the Ukrainian borders. The next round will take place on the border between Belarus and Poland, Medinsky said.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 17:42 utc | 136

Where does the World Economic Forum fit in all this with their Great Reset/Build Back Better agenda?

Posted by: Lynx | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 137

Firefox browser has not allowed me to access John Helmer for months, however I recently discovered that I could access is using Chrome, which I downloaded for that purpose solely.

Posted by: Gareth | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 138

This was the lesson of Vietnam, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and many others.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 28 2022 16:39 utc | 96
And don’t forget the Chu/Mao forces in China vs. both the Japanese and KMT. A quote from Roger Howard’s book Mao Tse-tung and the Chinese People by a soldier in Kai-shek’s army : “Our officers made us burn everything to the ground in the Soviet territories. Everything within three hundred li of Hingkwo we burned down. They they ordered us to kill every person we saw in the villages. They said it was an order from the highest command. So we did it. … The whole population hated us. When we came they would all take everything they could and retreat with the Reds. Nobody would help us. They would not even give us a drink of water.
The Japanese “kill all, burn all, loot all” policy was even more counter-productive for them.
The Red Army was vastly out-manned by both the Japanese and the KMT. The policy of treating the locals with respect was perhaps the winning factor. I’d bet the similar Russian policy will effect the same, winning not only militarily but also politically. It’s the ol’ ‘hearts and minds’ thing the West talks about while having no idea how it works.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 139

Malchik Ralf | Feb 28 2022 14:43 utc | 23
.. you Putinverstehers ..
A reaction to mother Nuland to Pyatt of Honduras fame … “fuck the EU” … “Yats is the guy. He’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the guy you know. … Yats will need all the help he can get to stave off collapse in the ex-Soviet state. He has warned there is an urgent need for unpopular cutting of subsidies and social payments before Ukraine can improve.”
Over 100 Ukrainians died that day never to taste the Empire’s freedom … no one has been held to account. On May 2 over forty Odessians died, murdered in the Trade Union House fire. I understand the perpetrator was caught and sentenced to jail time … a rightwing mob freed him.
On Feb. 21 the EU representatives had reached a deal with the democratically elected Yanukovich … the mob overthrew the president. In the aftermath eight government officials died … later ruled suicides. A bloody coup d’état …
As initiation rite for New Europe states we offer participation in new-colonial wars of Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. Bonus points for participation in CIA rendition, torture and black prisons. You will be rewarded with anti-ballistic missile sites on your territory for a feeling of security.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 140

Peter AU1 @122–
Venezuela was the supplier of heavy. The real key is the lack of refineries, not feedstock. Many have closed after heavy fires caused by lack of R&M of facilities due to cost cutting/profit seeking. Policy is to ration by price. Problem is diesel use powers the economy, not gasoline, so rationing by price makes little sense. More electric vehicles mean greater demand for electricity, but where’s that going to come from and how much more will it cost?
The lack of a coherent energy policy has existed since 1970 when it became clear that one was sorely needed. Carter created a Cabinet level agency–the Energy Department–but little has changed. Energy policy and supply is a huge weak point that Russia will surely target. And as noted, nitrogen fertilizers are energy based and in short supply which will become shorter. Few realize that the domestic-side of the Outlaw US Empire has a food problem, in price, quality and availability. And climactic issues–flooding more so than drought–has played a major role in limiting harvests of grains which has raised prices and crashed exports.
Globally, no replacement exists for Russian diesel, and the remaining refineries aren’t tooled to use other grades. Nor will those refineries be upgraded by the Neoliberals owning them as that would cut their profits, a practice widely seen over the past decade.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 17:51 utc | 141

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 28 2022 17:39 utc | 135
Yes, “Putin’s war” is rather smart. Because he will retire, perhaps not long after these things are fixed. The results and policies will remain, but with new leadership in Moscow, at least some little saving of face will be possible for Germany and Europe when they eventually try to make amends.

Posted by: veto | Feb 28 2022 17:54 utc | 142

In an interview before the war broke out, the influential Dutch professor int’l relations Rob de Wijk made a few chilling observations, see (hit the translate box in the right upper corner):
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2022/02/08/hoe-een-oplossing-van-de-oekrainecrisis-onze-wereldwijde-samenleving-fundamenteel-kan-veranderen/
A summary of his words:
Russian demands are unacceptable, a commitment disallowing Ukraine and Georgia NATO membership is unthinkable. After 1990, we should have included Russia in a European security structure, but we cannot now turn the clock back.
De Wijk advocates to arm Ukraine, and he blames Germany for initially refusing to do so. He downplayed the risk of escalating in a conflict. He sees no point in engagement, and neither in neutrality for Ukraine. Russian power politics can only be answered economically or militarily, according to De Wijk. Russia should not get what it requests, but confidence-building measures “to stabilize relations” can be considered. In essence, De Wijk argued for ‘stay the course’. And, he added, if you are in danger of losing a war, you use nuclear weapons. Why else do you have them?
Prompted on Twitter on the issue of using nukes, De Wijk first denied having made the observation, then accused me of putting his words in a false context, and when I showed my source and reiterated his exact words as registered by a Belgian journalist, he tried to disqualify me by saying ‘don’t listen to this guy’ and threatened to block me on Twitter.
I share all this on MoA as it shows how key opinion makers in the EU are influencing public opinion. The West clearly wants a major war with Russia.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Feb 28 2022 17:55 utc | 143

Opport Knocks@137
It worked for me this am. He has two new posts today too, one on the Skripal nonsense. And the one U referred to which is certainly not more than 48 hours old.
Sorry though, to cause inconvenience. I am very bad with links.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 28 2022 17:55 utc | 144

Tulsi Gabbard in a appeal to reason last night urged the “west” to formally make Ukraine a neutral country with no military forces and to make the predominately Russian areas independent in all but name.

I agree with Gabbard on this one specific issue. Very little else I agree with her. She has been through the WEF Young Leaders of the Future programming and supports radical social policies. I am still not sure about her stance when it comes to the constitution and Bill of Rights. I trust her as far as I can throw her.

Posted by: Lynx | Feb 28 2022 17:55 utc | 145

@reante #136
You said

Regarding Saudi Arabia, according to my theory of horse trading, the House of Saud is destined to be deposed by the West, and the US, as the lion, is slated to receive the lion’s share of remaining Saudi Production.

This is so lacking in credibility as to become buffoonery.
This is who Saudi Arabia actually sells oil to:
#1: Japan
#2: China
#3: US
#4: South Korea
#5: India
The top 4 comprise 67% of Saudi Arabia’s oil sales. However, sales to the US are purely tactical because the US overall imports only about 1 mbd – million barrels per day vs. 18.2 mbd consumption; Saudi exports to the US were only around 500 kbd in 2021. In comparison: Canada more than makes up for the 1 million mbd oil gap because canada exports 3.7 mbd to the US.
As should be obvious from the above: the US is net positive petroleum trade – i.e. crude oil processed into gasoline, diesel, plastic etc. and
Executing the “plan” as you put forward means depriving not just China, but Japan and South Korea of oil – whom are both US allies.
Your “grand plan for Saudi Arabia” theory is just as lacking in connection to reality as your other analyses have been.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2022 17:55 utc | 146

@Posted by: bubbles | Feb 28 2022 17:26 utc | 130
Yep, Hermann Goering was quite a thoughtful, well read and intelligent Nazi scumbag. I used that quote in my PhD dissertation, but I thought it would be a few more years before it would be operable for Russia-West hostilities. “The times are a changin”
There is also a chapter in my dissertation, “Russia Case Study”, which covers the history of Russia and the antipathy of the West to it over many hundreds of years. If anyone has an interest …
https://scholars.wlu.ca/etd/2426/

Posted by: Roger | Feb 28 2022 17:57 utc | 147

too scents (133). I understand that living in Switzerland gives you better insight into German demography than actually living in Germany…….must be the mountain tops allowing you to gaze down from Pilatus………
It does not matter how much mal investment in Germany keeps zombie forms afloat or public sector labour hoarding………IF you do not have the physical product called a Male 19-30 you do not have the physical product.
Median age is 47.4 years.
There is simply not the product available – and of that subset they need to be fit and volunteer for the military

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 17:59 utc | 148

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 28 2022 16:39 utc | 96

As a student of guerrilla warfare myself, I’ve always thought it obvious that not playing nice with the population results in radicalization of the population against the invader’s interests.

I believe it is a mix of coercion and nicety. A good example is Islamic State. They are nice to the general population but can be quite ruthless against (potential) adversaries.

Posted by: Wim | Feb 28 2022 18:00 utc | 149

Liz Truss now saying the UK will freeze assets of all Russian banks in coming days.
Is this a new sanction or merely the promise to quickly apply the sanctions already decided upon. At what point can we say that the US/UK has finally sanctioned all it can?
It tells you how reactive and manipulative US/UK foreign policy people are that their decrees of sanctions are hurled around as outlets for their range. There’s no single, principled, organized articulation of what they’re sanctioning and why. Instead, there’s daily new hysterical announcements of EVEN MORE sanctions! As though every day that passes in the war means that RUssia’s behavior is WORSE and must be punished AGAIN? I have to think that most of this is for domestic consumption.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 28 2022 18:01 utc | 150

I’m afraid this will get lost in the mad chorus of these updates, but i would profoundly appreciate it if b (our host) or anyone else could provide me with some reliable sources that reported the increased shelling and attacks on the DPR and LPR in the 2-to-3 weeks running up to the opening of the hostilities.
I remember b saying that attacks had ramped up from “50 per week” to “over 1200 per week”–can anyone send me some links/reports that can serve as reliable testimony to these facts?
I have no doubt in b’s reports; i just want to be able to cite those facts for myself, elsewhere.
karlof1? psychohistorian? Don-Bacon? Paul-Robert? too scents? wanyorinnorway? c1ue? juliana?
Thanks, in advance —

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Feb 28 2022 18:04 utc | 151

john helmer link bevin mentions – ps… john has set up both a dot org and .net site so that if one doesn’t work, the other will…
BLACK BOX DEFENCE FOR THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY – DOLLAR DEBT REPAYMENTS BLOCKED; GAS AND OIL DELIVERIES TO GERMANY STOPPED; OLIGARCH ASSETS NATIONALIZED

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2022 18:06 utc | 152

@Skiffer | Feb 28 2022 17:36 utc | 134

I wonder if the uncharacteristically hysterical reaction to the Russian operation is rooted in certain dirty laundry left behind by the West on the territory of Ukraine.

Interesting, that has been on my mind as well. I noticed the destruction of the computers in the US Embassy. I am guessing there is various forms of very dirty laundry to be found (not only related to US), and I agree this would explain the hysterical reaction and media barrage.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 18:06 utc | 153

That is interesting, even useful, perspective, B. Thanks for that. Your alright in my book.
Southfront analysis has been balanced, if a bit gut wrenching. I hope that war will not become entertainment, though I have a hard time to put it down.
Watching the western behavior makes me really question anything I think I know about history – at this point I am in the Carlin camp — assume it is all lies. Glad I didn`t really pay attention.
I suspect the war will grow in scope – Syria is the other shoe.
And what is to be done about Turkey and passage to the Mediterainian.

Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2022 18:10 utc | 154

@ Pacifica Advocate | Feb 28 2022 18:04 utc | 153
study this moa thread.. it is on this one..
Some Additional Bits On Ukraine
some music for anyone interested..
Everything Needs Something

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2022 18:10 utc | 155

Gareth | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 140
Ditch Chrome and try the Yandex browser for all things Russian. It also Has excellent Russian to English translation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 18:10 utc | 156

@Bruised Northerner | Feb 28 2022 17:39 utc | 135

Well, I give Chancellor Scholz credit for this (from the link b provided):
“ And so it must be clearly stated that this war is Putin’s war!

This sounds much like “Putin’s Missile” right after MH17, this is nothing to give credit for. In fact it is the final nail, he had his chance and blew it faster than anyone I have seen before.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 18:10 utc | 157

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Feb 28 2022 18:04 utc | 153
The OSCE reports which b and Craig Murray were relying upon in their separate (but corroborating) accounts of the uptick of cease-fire violations in the week preceding the Russian military operation against Ukraine can be found here. Only so much can be gleaned from the reports, however, as you will soon find once you look into them. I still believe that the information they contain offers the most accurate picture of the situation in Donbass prior to the Russian operation.
https://www.osce.org/press-releases?filters=+im_taxonomy_vid_1:(896)

Posted by: WJ | Feb 28 2022 18:11 utc | 158

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2022 17:07 utc | 120
“The US is NOT dependent on energy imports – Canada more than makes up for US oil production shortfall, and Canada is a total satellite of the US as has recently been demonstrated.”
Sorry but, though you may be correct about the incestuous relationship with Canada, it does not mean the US is not dependent on energy imports – your statement is technically incorrect. Not trying to pick a fight here, and I’m in no way an expert on petroleum products, their nature and uses.
Is it not true that ALL petro products trade within a global market? It is all about money, buying and selling and making a profit. That is what is going on with the natgas/LNG export push by the US. The shale gas boom has extracted more gas at the present time than the US could possibly consume – there have been some junctures when there was no more available storage capacity for all that was being produced – and so to make a profit, to sell that gas, a large push to build out the infrastructure to export that gas.
The final cruel irony, and one that may yet result in some of the wealthy hanging from lamp posts is that there is a strong suspicion that the total recoverable capacity of shale gas has been highly overestimated. I reside in the heart of the Marcellus and Utica region and was involved in the shale gas boom in the last years before my retirement, but only as a mid-level technician (Professional Land Surveyor.) We (the general public here) were promised many things by the shale gas industry when it really took off here. One of those “promises” was 100 years of energy security!. If the LNG export push comes to the full development hoped for by the profiteers, that promise may end up being reduced by 3/4’s – maybe 25 years.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Feb 28 2022 18:11 utc | 159

Thank you, james @ 118…I am making a list…just not enough time to read every bit of nonsense. But I think we’ve all learned to triage by now. I’m weeding out simplistic statements also. But much appreciative of good info when it comes, helpful to have regulars point that out.
Time for that second cuppa cofee.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 28 2022 18:11 utc | 160

You have to admire the utter stupidity of Scholz: planning to massively increase German military equipement just when he directly caused a massive hike in cost of resources and energy.
Of course, BoJo and Macron aren’t exactly happy about that move – Poland probably not much more.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 28 2022 18:12 utc | 161

Posted by: Roger | Feb 28 2022 17:25 utc | 129
Re. racism:
For a while, a pet theory of mine has been that Nazi Germany is loathed to the degree that it is because most of their victims were white. Certainly other European nations (and the progeny in the Americas and Australia) mercilessly slaughtered countless non-white people around the globe over the past few hundred years, but somehow these crimes do not warrant our loathing.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 28 2022 18:17 utc | 162

About the time that Time magazine had an image of Trump on the cover likening him to Hitler, I came to the realization that an engineered national socialism culture change was in the works for the West. The Time cover was a misdirection play insofar as Trump was not the future face of American national socialism, but it WAS predictive programming. But at that point, I could not see that there was an NS politician anywhere to be seen, though I wasn’t really looking for one.
Sometime later Tulsi Gabbard announced her run for prez and I checked her out and I immediately new that she was the Chosen One. She’s a national socialist to a tee. If you do not know what NS is because of the Western propaganda, then, as a nihilist, naturally this will mean nothing to you.
Anybody can see that her run for prez in 2020 was a literary prefiguring. She went toe to toe with Clinton and Harris and destroyed them both. She dominated google trends after the debates. The DNC moved the goalposts to keep her from debating. It was classic subliminal advertising in her favor.
At that numbskull the saker’s Moveable Feast Cafe last spring I discussed two scenarios. That she would win the 2024 election in a landslide or, if the elite had to further destroy demand before that, and beyond what they could realistically accomplish with the well-worn plandemic, the US military would stage a coup in the US (let us count the ways it could legitimately justify the coup lol) and institute martial law, at some point after which they would see to it that Lt. Col. Gabbard becomes the head of state.
With this here Ukraine business, and the US-led response that is increasingly looking like it will decrease global GDP by, say, at least half, I dare say that might be grounds for the US military to step in… which itself will reduce global GDP by another, say, ten percent. Lol.
And the war theater, which those of us in the Peak Oil community ‘in the know’ always knew would be use to both mask and provide political cover for collapse, will have served its purpose. You cut gdp by 60pc, by ending almost all discretionary spending in the consumer economy, therefore gutting globalism, and you have a national socialist culture change.
Given the events of the last week I am now strongly favoring a military coup in the US this spring or summer, to be followed by similar coups in Europe.
FWIW.

Posted by: reante | Feb 28 2022 18:19 utc | 163

karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 17:22 utc | 128
The West is listening now…
Not at all … great frustration for Lavrov and Putin. Sending envoys like Liz ’Baltic’ Truss and green minister Annalena Baerbock … partygoer Boris shouted from afar and Defense Minister Ben Wallace lost his way in Moscow, first visit to the Kremlin in 12 years. At the height of the crisis a last minute effort by Macron “Russia is part of Europe … we need Russia for Europe’s security.” Vlad asked what he had to offer … a long silence … rien … mains vides ..

Posted by: Oui | Feb 28 2022 18:21 utc | 164

Norwegian @159, that may be correct I can’t say. I just wanted to highlight that if you read to the “therefore” part in his speech, his “Putin’s war” comment is placed in a different context.
And speaking of a different context, how about with that defence spending? One would presume that this would be an increase in the defence budget (which is supposed to tie two percent or so of itself to NATO), but one would presume incorrectly. How can Germany protect itself from Putin’s Russia? Chancellor Scholz, explain please:
“But we should be under no illusions. Better equipment, modern technology, more personnel – all of this costs a lot of money.
We will therefore set up a special fund for the Bundeswehr. And I am deeply grateful to Federal Finance Minister Lindner for his support on this!
The 2022 federal budget will provide a one-off sum of 100 billion euro for the fund. We will use this money for necessary investments and armament projects.”
A special fund!! Like for victims of a natural disaster or something! (I wonder if the Poles will be billed for this one somehow too.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 28 2022 18:21 utc | 165

Please don’t take the following the wrong way. I’m not talking about some kind of submission or anything like that.
A personal sentiment on the larger situation and what we’ll likely all face one way or another as individuals in our relationship to other people, well in the “west” at least.
The difference between being vastly ahead and vastly behind the rest of society can be very hard to tell apart (sometimes one can be neither). Try to be cautious and to avoid pride when/if proven right. Being right doesn’t automatically bring victories.
I —like most here— of course see us as being ahead. I’ve been in that situation before only to be proven wrong. Despite that I still think we’re ahead here, that we see where this is going; the alternative outcomes, the many different consequences.
Be kind to family and friends no matter what they think. No one can live life for another person. No one can think thoughts for another person’s brain. No one can be right all the time, no one has energy or time for everything.
Cushion your blows or avoid them entirely if you’re that good. This can be mighty hard even when one tries.
Kindness and eagerness to cooperate and consolidate for the common practical good can quickly become crucial for the next several years. Holding one’s ego in check.
All the above can be the most difficult towards those one is the closest to and thus often put too great and unreasonable expectations upon (especially because one tends to think it is so reasonable when applied to oneself).
All of the above should also be applied to strangers to the extent possible or sensible. Often that can require a lot of humility and meekness, sometimes only silence will do anyone any favors (truth will win in the end, don’t fall on your sword), arguing is best done on the web like here.
It can often help a lot if a stranger is making the points one wishes to make to someone one knows. It allows for more “give” and less jeopardy in the relation.
I realize this might rankle people as it would have easily rankled me but I hope the intended meaning comes across regardless (and it certainly isn’t to rankle anyone, or boss anyone around, or judge anyone, only suggestions to keep in mind out there in the world).
Russia is fighting on our behalf, the truth will be clear to all soon enough, unless we have the ears and confidence of people currently in power (in which case tell them as much as they can take) no one needs to take inordinate risks but at the same time most people seem to be well on their way in realizing the narratives are untrustworthy. Give them time.
Those “hopelessly” lost in MSM propaganda are often those far too busy to do anything but glance at the news. These are often very good and decent people doing important everyday jobs, try not to judge people too harshly (or at all).
Sorry if this is too wishy-washy. I’m not saying that one shouldn’t stand up for one’s conviction, only to try to do so carefully with as much wisdom one can muster.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 28 2022 18:21 utc | 166

Pacifica Advocate | Feb 28 2022 18:04 utc | 153
In the M of A post james linked to, click on the date beside the daily graph. That takes you to the source pdf at OSCE.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 18:25 utc | 167

@S 124
AFAIK the existing contracts which last for some years more, have currency written into them, and often follow benchmark futures which are also currency-specific.
Ditching contracts completely and starting from scratch might be the only thing left if some common sense doesn’t come real soon, but would be a good sized hurdle to a compromise. I have to think that changing the banks who transfer payment is simpler to agree on.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 28 2022 18:25 utc | 168

What”>https://www.brighteon.com/e8b9d706-5cbc-45f6-bfc4-395472b56081>What Russia Wants From Its Invasion of Ukraine—and Why Zelensky Is Evil
Ran across this on Quora. The Russians could have destroyed Ukraine if it wanted to but they don’t. They want the Ukraine in one piece. I actually would like more info like this in written form.

Posted by: One-Off-Observer | Feb 28 2022 18:27 utc | 169

too scents (133). I understand that living in Switzerland gives you better insight
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 28 2022 17:59 utc | 150

I understand that you have never been unemployed.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 18:28 utc | 170

Posted by: One-Off-Observer | Feb 28 2022 18:27 utc | 171
Wow. Sorry.

Posted by: One-Off-Observer | Feb 28 2022 18:29 utc | 171

Where does the World Economic Forum fit in all this with their Great Reset/Build Back Better agenda?
Posted by: Lynx | Feb 28 2022 17:50 utc | 139
Lynx,
It doesn’t. The Great Reset is the grand misdirection play. Industrialism is collapsing. It is impossible, due to the universal law of entropy, to further centralize political power during energy collapse.
The Great Reset does subliminally predictively program a number of elements we can expect to see. Socialism, for one – just not the Marxist variety that the GR peddles. Digital currencies, just not of the central bank variety; for example, instead of Fedcoins it will be digital greenbacks issued by the restored Treasury. More automation. Owning a lot less, if not owning nothing.
You get the idea. Globalism must break apart into national socialisms with elements of communism – digital currencies combined with rationing are just scrip, after all, and scrip is the communist proxy for money, with money itself being the proxy for energy surpluses.
At some point even the scrip will mostly disappear.
You get the idea.

Posted by: reante | Feb 28 2022 18:33 utc | 172

“Posted by: bonks | Feb 28 2022 14:47 utc | 26”
French collabo radio announced that China is/will sanction Russia. My thought: lies all the way. Not only on this.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 28 2022 18:33 utc | 173

Lynx (139)
Here’s where the WEF fits in.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/World_Economic_Forum

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 18:35 utc | 174

farm ecologist | Feb 28 2022 18:17 utc | 164
That is the reason I think Nazi Germany tried to hide the genocide of the European jews. They didn’t try to hide their slaughter of Russians though because they knew the anglo world wouldn’t be bothered by it and they were correct in that assessment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 18:36 utc | 175

Russia will not participate to the next fifa cup. Nothing better to make the Russia behind their president. I don’t remember any country was excluded after the agressions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Irak, Syria…

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 28 2022 18:36 utc | 176

veto @144–
but with new leadership in Moscow, at least some little saving of face will be possible for Germany and Europe when they eventually try to make amends.
I highly suggest you read this article by Crooke and this essay by Sergey Karaganov, “International affairs scholar, Honorary Chairman of the Presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, Chairman of the Editorial Board of the journal Russia in Global Affairs. Academic Supervisor, Faculty of World Politics and Economics, National Research University Higher School of Economics,” upon which Crooke’s article is based.
Crooke foresees “a great fracture” in Russian/West relations that IMO will last over a generation. I posted some of the following yesterday and in repeating I add some further content:
“The third strand is more complex and is reflected in Josep Borell’s indignant cry that Russia and China are two “revisionist” powers attempting to change the current world order. The European ‘fear’ is grounded not only in the content of the Beijing joint declaration, but likely also that not in his entire life has President Putin before made a speech like Monday’s address to the Russian people. Nor has he ever named the Americans to be Russia’s national enemy in such unequivocal Russian terms – American promises: worthless; American intentions: deadly; American speeches: lies; American actions: intimidation, extortion and blackmail.
Putin’s speech portends a great fracture. It seems to be just dawning on Europeans (such as Borrell) just how much of an inflection point Putin’s address represents. It was framed around Ukraine, yet the latter issue – though compelling – is incidental to the decision by Russia and China to change forever the geo-political balance and the security architecture of the globe.
“What the recognition of the Donbas republics represented was the manifestation of this earlier geo-strategic decision. It is the first practical unfolding of that break with the West (never absolute, of course), and the unveiling of Russia’s compilation of ‘technical-military’ measures designed to force a separation of the globe into two distinct spheres. The first was the republics’ recognition; the second military-technical measure was Putin’s address; and the third, his subsequent ‘Special Operations’ order.
They – the Russia-China Axis – want separation. This is to come about either through dialogue, (which is unlikely, since the core principle of today’s geo-politics is defined by the deliberate non-comprehending of ‘otherness’), or it must be achieved by a contest of escalating pain (defined in terms of red lines) until one side, or the other, buckles. Of course, Washington does not believe Presidents’ Xi and Putin possibly can mean what they say – and they believe that, anyway, the West has escalatory dominance in the field of imposing pain.” [My Emphasis]
Crooke cites and links to this John Helmer item that concludes with a very curious analysis of Putin’s body language during his above cited speech.
Karaganov’s thesis was first published in Russian on February 16 and was remarked upon and endorsed by Medvedev in a musing he wrote on his Telegram channel. Every member of Russia’s Security Council will also have read it well prior to their deliberations. The Neoliberal world is being rejected by the rising Multipolar world and the nations of its Eurasian economic engine.
As Crooke writes in closing his article:
“Less diplomatically put, Russia and China have concluded that sharing a global society with an America set on enforcing a hegemonic global order crafted to ‘resemble Arizona’ is no longer possible. Putin means what he says: Russia’s back is to the wall, and there is nowhere to which Russia can now retreat — for them it is existential.
The West’s denial that Putin ‘means it’ (thus ensuring the consequent failure of diplomacy) suggests that this crisis will be with us for at least the next two years. It is the start a drawn-out, high-stakes phase of a Russian-led effort to change the European security architecture into a new form, which the West presently rejects. The Russian aim will be to keep the pressures – and even the latency of war ever-present – in order to harass war-averse Western leaders to make the necessary shift.” [My Emphasis]
But it’s not just existential for Russia; as Ritter points out, it’s now existential for the world. As I wrote back on February 9, Russia and China want to finally achieve the aims of WW2 and reinvigorate the UN Charter and the UN’s institutions from Western corruption. I reached back that far in history because that where most of the underlying context began–when the USA became an Outlaw Empire and danger to all humanity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 18:37 utc | 177

For a while, a pet theory of mine has been that Nazi Germany is loathed to the degree that it is because most of their victims were white. Certainly other European nations (and the progeny in the Americas and Australia) mercilessly slaughtered countless non-white people around the globe over the past few hundred years, but somehow these crimes do not warrant our loathing.
Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 28 2022 18:17 utc | 164
Organic National Socialism is kryptonite to the Old Testament Capitalism that rules the world.
Cleverly, now that Old Testament Capitalism has passed the Limits to Growth, it is about to use the kryptonite against itself, minus the anti-semitism. Very clever indeed.
Timing is everything.

Posted by: reante | Feb 28 2022 18:40 utc | 178

I thought he was rather smart.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 28 2022 17:39 utc | 135

To support the ukrainian nazis who were and stull are thirsty to kill Russian in Donbass is NOT smart.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 28 2022 18:42 utc | 179

@imo | Feb 28 2022 15:04 utc | 39
Bingo
even though I think plan didn’t quite work out. Although the dollar has appreciated as a safe haven, Rmb has appreciated as well During This whole turbulence, at the expense of the euro.

Posted by: Cindy6 | Feb 28 2022 18:43 utc | 180

RE white Victims – extra blame
I think that the fact that Ukrainians are European has a lot to do with the extra sympathy relative to other darker skinned victims of wars and atrocities
Nobody should have to endure their home shelled or bombed , being forced out, assaulted or shot
– however there is a hierarchy of victimhood in the west – and also a hierarchy of perpetrators
pretty revealing twitter thread by Alan McLeod – https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1497974245737050120

Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 28 2022 18:44 utc | 181

Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 28 2022 18:21 utc | 168
Well said … politics can tear a family apart and end friendships. Sometimes that is just meant to be … effect of 9/11 and GWB war on terror … invasion Iraq in 2003 …
I personally was saddened when my oldest brother voted for Tricky Dick Nixon in 1960 … 😂
The Fog of War … hostilities never start w/o a long preparation ,,, over a decade of propaganda Russia is a rogue or pariah state … masses have been brainwashed … recent poll, 78% of the Dutch believe sanctions on Russia need to be tougher … support more defense spending … easy recruitment for job openings in Army, Air Force and Navy … a new generation.
Russia has been thrown off all communication platforms such as observation partner in NATO … embassy staff and space for travel has been minimized for years now. A powder keg with uncertain timing.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 28 2022 18:45 utc | 182

@vinnieoh #161
Canada:
Canada is far more subservient to the US federal government than any US state. Consider what Canada did when US car manufacturing was threatened by a trucker bridge blockage: invocation of the Emergency Act followed by stormtrooper tactics to end the “rebellion”.
So it turns out that jokes about Canada being the 51st state are wrong – Canada is far worse than that in terms of being captive to American policies.
As for oil being a world market: yes and no.
The effect of oil being a world market is on price – but price doesn’t change where US and Canadian oil goes. It only how much it costs – it isn’t like a high oil price causes American produced oil to divert away from American consumers to foreign ones – it just affects how much said consumers pay. In fact, high oil prices have traditionally driven down international demand first.
It is less clear if this is still true…
Secondly, America as a whole spends less on energy – as a percentage of income – than poorer nations much as it spends less on food (but not housing or health care).
So from a PMC perspective – they don’t care about the price of oil because they can easily afford more expensive gasoline even assuming they didn’t go EV; more expensive consumer products due to higher transport and manufacturing input costs etc.
However, most Americans aren’t PMC and aren’t so wealthy as to ignore the impact of higher oil/gasoline/heating oil/consumer product prices.
As for shale gas: what you wrote is clear for shale oil – or more specifically, NGLs. The original drive for NGLs produced a lot of excess natural gas – this is what drove NG prices to ~$2 for many years. I believe something like 45% of natural gas produced in 2019 was from fracked shale wells targeting NGLs.
But that’s largely gone away – it seems very clear that the shale oil producers are being far more disciplined re: new drilling than during the original boom.
Between that and increased consumption spurred by the ~$2 price – that is why NG prices are significantly higher now. Shale oil production will increase but it won’t be anything like the ramp in the initial bubble.
As for declines: yes, shale declines fast but it isn’t clear to me that entire formations are being depleted. Even Saudi supergiant oil fields, they drill new wells all the time.
I leave it to others who are deep in the details of shale economics to comment on whether fracked shale is a sustainable business or not; the continued existence and actual profitability of the survivors of the initial shale boom would seem to indicate that it is possible.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2022 18:46 utc | 183

@Oisin | Feb 28 2022 15:06 utc | 42
I don’t think so.
The us is in some serious need of capital right now to help alleviate the pain of raising interest rates. There’s simply not enough money in Brazil or the entire south America. The only possible places left in the world is either europe or China. China won’t play. So we know the rest of the story now.

Posted by: cindy6 | Feb 28 2022 18:47 utc | 184

Re the threats by the “neutral” Switzerland and selective amnesia of UN:
Proves beyond doubt again that the entire stack was built for the post war western elite, UN, ICJ blah blah everything…. It’s all just a facade to exude an air of fairness and nobility, puts on pony shows but its purpose is to maintaining and furthering the interest of old money and their goons when it counts. But we already knew that.
Time is ripe for a more representative mechanism but the trouble is: do you go by population? Land mass? Economy? Military? any way you cut it the established west will lose their carte blanc they have enjoyed for too long, this breeds immense geopolitical insecurity.
Hence we have UK and EU going full tonto throwing all kinds of toys out of their prams – they know they’re going to sit at the kids table when it’s all done. This Ukraine gambit isn’t going well for them and they know it.
When dealing with bullshit artists, watch they do, not what they say.
Interestingly, even after the “fuck the EU” episode with Ukraine, why do the EU still kowtowing to the US? (UK is just a US branch office masquerading as a clown show).
Fact is the western people, like the Germans pre ww2 have been spoon fed propaganda for an entire generation now (if not more) and truly believe their own bullshit. They think they have democracy but they don’t have agency. Some know it but they can’t do nothing about it.
Re chip embargo – i doubt the Russian chips are 5nm or even 14nm so China can churn them out for vlad until the indigenous tech catches up. Also most of the advances in the past few years except for bullshit crypto mining isn’t speed or size limited, 20+nm will do fine. So what if the kaliber or zircon is now 5mm longer?
On the consumer end, i expect mail order from Russia to China to explode. These sanctions are less than useless. It just means China will get a even bigger volume price break for piggybacking the Russian demand. To wit: Iran isn’t running DOS on a 80286 today, these sanctions are a w@nk.

Posted by: A.L. | Feb 28 2022 18:48 utc | 185

@Roger | Feb 28 2022 17:25 utc | 129 and @farm ecologist | Feb 28 2022 18:17 utc | 164
Re: Racism, Russophobia, Anti-Semitism and Empire
I’ve been discussing this on another forum and thought this might be of interest:
I think of Russophobia as the Nazi soul mate of anti-Semitism, an eastward-directed offspring of European racism and colonialism. From Ava Lipatti’s Russophobia and the logic of imperialism:
“Nazi demagogues painted the Russian Revolution as a ‘Judeo-Bolshevik’ conspiracy, bankrolled by the supposedly economy-controlling Jewish capitalists. As Bolshevism, a movement born out of Russia, took on an anti-colonial character, Russian workers were increasingly racialized for ‘betraying’ Europe and placing their lot with the oppressed rather than with imperialism and colonialism. In a way, this process was the opposite from what took place among ethnic minorities in the United States, particularly Italians, Poles, and Irish. While the latter groups assimilated into whiteness fully from their conditional status through embracing cross-class white supremacy (and especially anti-Black racism), the Bolsheviks embraced the toiling masses and national liberation; thus, their ‘whiteness’ was ‘revoked….’
“The relationship that Russians and other Slavic peoples have with whiteness today cannot be evaluated in isolation from the history of Nazism and the racialization of Slavs and Bolshevism that went hand-in-hand with anti-Semitism and the entire Nazi project, a project deeply rooted in settler-colonialism, directly inspired by the United States and Canada.”

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 28 2022 18:49 utc | 186

I have an off topic (sort of) request today. I am speaking every day to a colleague of mine that I have known for many years, he has a PhD and is generally a nice guy. But he is in my opinion very naive on international politics and buys into every MSM angle you can imagine. Today, we obviously spoke about Ukraine and he kept on about “Putin the dictator” and “The Russians have met heavy resistance in Ukraine and are retreating”, and “obviously it is right to place heavy guns among civilian houses”. You know the score, so I gave him a number of facts which resulted in “but Putin is killing his opponents”. “Really?” I said “Can you give me some concrete example, because to my knowledge that is entirely untrue”. The answer he gave me was “I don’t remember the name but I will check it”. So most likely he will give me the Boris Nemtsov story from Wikipedia tomorrow.
My request is: Can someone provide a reputable and fact based link on the Boris Nemtsov affair for me to read up on? 🙂

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2022 18:49 utc | 187

That is the reason I think Nazi Germany tried to hide the genocide of the European jews. They didn’t try to hide their slaughter of Russians though because they knew the anglo world wouldn’t be bothered by it and they were correct in that assessment.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2022 18:36 utc | 177
Peter the Reich didn’t hide anything. War is no holds barred. Most people in the concentration camps died of malnutrition-related disease just like people outside of the camps died of malnutrition-related disease. Just like 8 million people died from malnutrition during the great depression. Not talking about it or refusing to acknowledge it is not the same thing as hiding it.
The only thing that hides the famines in german during ww2 is the holocaust propaganda.

Posted by: reante | Feb 28 2022 18:50 utc | 188

People were duped by the necessity of invasion in Iraq and Libya, and now they’re being duped by anti-war hysteria when Putin is the only one facing down the Global War Machine, the behemoth, USNATO.
Up is down.
Now, since the behemoth front-loaded all the sanctions they could dump on Russia, at Zelensky’s bidding, and are in the process of shipping him $350+ million in missiles and planes he was demanding, they got bupkus left. You know that by frontloading the sanctions they’re delaying the economic blowback so the enthralled public doesn’t feel the effects til later.
So now that Zelensky got everything he wanted what is Zelensky crying for still?
A NO-FLY ZONE over Ukraine, cause the miserable scumbag, wailing manbaby wants to start WWIII. So will everyone jump to appease the Ukie baby one last time?
Spring is around the corner, but Winter’s returning to Ukraine and Europe, and then we may all end up in a Nuclear Winter.
Be careful what you wish for Mr. Zelensky: More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 28 2022 18:51 utc | 189

Analysis of the economic consequences on Russia, EU, and USA by an astute economist ….. https://jackrasmus.com/2022/02/26/some-economic-consequences-of-the-ukraine-war/

Posted by: rick sterling | Feb 28 2022 18:51 utc | 190

“There are 12 to 15 brigades of Ukrainian forces (blue) at the Donbas front. If the Russian’s (red) move fast enough they can cut those off from the rest of the country or bomb them while they try to escape on the only big road between those two pincer arrows.”
One weird piece of news was that a huge convoy of Ukrainian military vehicles was observed moving west from government-controlled Donbass (Lugansk region), and a day later it returned. Moving west would abound capture in the “kettle”, return could be prompted either by “no driving zone” enforced by Russian air forces, or by weird commands in the style of “not a step back”. This way, the kettle exists already.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 28 2022 18:52 utc | 191

Its interesting to note the language coming form the EU.
The European Union’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell said on Monday that membership for Ukraine is currently “not on the agenda,”
However.
EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that there is a “process with Ukraine that is, for example, integrating the Ukrainian market into the single market,” adding “they are one of us and we want them.”
And.
Several EU states, among them Poland, Hungary, and Lithuania, have signaled their support for Ukraine’s EU accession.
EU bigwigs and what they say are not to be trusted, in effect without actually saying it, but by their actions over the last 48 hours appear to have declared war against Russia by funneling all manner of weapons into Ukraine a country that’s neither in the EU nor a member of Nato.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 28 2022 18:55 utc | 192

Oui @166–
Ritter’s point wasn’t that they’re listening, which they are as shown by the response; rather, it was if the West was “comprehending” events, and in his opinion, “no” it isn’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 18:56 utc | 193

Seventy Years Delayed, Boris as Churchill reinvented …
Operation Unthinkable – Churchill’s plans to invade the Soviet Union
https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/operation-unthinkable-churchill-s-plans-to-invade-the-soviet-union/
I do believe this military action by Russia will shape a new frontier beyond which Russia can manage its own security. Cutting as much geography off the former state of Ukraine … secure Union with Belarus (Central Asia already done)
A new Carbon Steel Curtain will be placed between the Russian empire and remaining Europe … many months ago I headlined an article “Will the EU-27 survive the Biden years” … I didn’t expect the answer that quick.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 28 2022 19:00 utc | 194

pretzelattack comment #2 makes a good point. The way the western leaders and the MSM take up the call in unison is identical to the way they did for the Covid business. Then it was “wear a mask”, now it’s “let’s solve the problem by cutting off Russia”. Simplistic messages, icons, phrases.

Posted by: Ben McDonnell | Feb 28 2022 19:03 utc | 195

I’m shocked to find out that the erudite posters to this forum have not discounted their value in light of the new multi-polar state of affairs.
Suddenly there is a great leveling. Do you think you can watch it happen with it effecting you?

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 19:03 utc | 196

Do you think you can watch it happen with it effecting you?
Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 19:03 utc | 198

Do you think you can watch it happen without being effected?

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2022 19:07 utc | 197

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2022 18:37 utc | 179
Great comment!
The sanctions are no more sanctions they are a war declaration.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 28 2022 19:08 utc | 198

@circe, #8,
I’m in the United State. Just clicked TASS after reading your post at #8 and it came up instantly. No, it’s not down in my region. I don’t have Russia MOD or Kremlin sites so I don’t know about these others.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 28 2022 19:10 utc | 199

@ 148 Roger – Thank you! I will read it! I read your excellent SubStack, too.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 28 2022 19:11 utc | 200