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February 27, 2022

Disarming Ukraine - Day 4

In war, truth is the first casualty.

Gilbert Doctorow:

The Russian Way of War

Yesterday anyone watching Euronews on one screen and Russian state television on another would have been perplexed by the totally contradictory coverage of both with respect to the fate of the armed detachment of Ukrainian border guards on one island in the southeast of Ukraine. Euronews carried the address of President Zelensky awarding posthumous designation as Heroes of Ukraine to the entire detachment, which reportedly resisted the attacking Russian forces and were slaughtered. Meanwhile Russian news showed those same border guards seated at tables and signing sworn statements that they voluntarily lay down their arms and awaited repatriation to their homes and families.

Earlier today I took this screenshot from the New York Times website.


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Reading the collection of items under the above New York Times headline I fail to find any news of a bombardment of Kiev or of Russian military involvement in street fighting within the city.

The only item in there that is relevant with regards to Kiev is a Russian missile strike on the fuel depot of a military airport on the southern periphery of the city. The large fire and smoke could be seen from Kiev.

As Russia does not announce the progress of its campaign the 'western' news is projecting that it is losing the war. I see no evidence that this is the case and believe that it is far from reality. The lack of reliable reporting just makes it impossible to map out the current frontline.

Here are three more pieces I can also recommend.  They relate to serious strategic aspects of the war and lack the otherwise overwhelming propaganda slant.

M.K. Bhadrakumar:

India shouldn’t miss world war pointer

Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but is locked in an existential struggle to avoid the fate of Yugoslavia. Period.
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The US is setting a ‘bear trap’ for Russia using the neo-Nazi forces. It calculates that if the Russian forces get bogged down, the door opens for a NATO intervention — 175000 NATO troops are positioned already on Russia’s borders with massive firepower and air and naval formations surrounding Russia from all sides.

A NATO intervention will be tantamount to US-Russia war — that is, a world war with nuclear weapons. On Thursday, Putin explicitly warned Biden to back off. But Biden has since indicated that the NATO will continue to pump weapons into Ukraine.

Patrick Armstrong:

RUSSIA UKRAINE 1

I’m surprised both of the size of the operation and the type of operation. While I did expect standoff destruction of the nazi units and considered the possibility of standoff destruction of Ukrainian military assets I did not expect to see troops on the ground other than a few Spetsnaz. The operation is much, much more than I expected. Putin & Co surprised me too.

Had I been at home I would have read Putin’s speech earlier and understood sooner. What he is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

Scott Ritter:

Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine in Perspective

Russian President Vladimir Putin had been subjected to a series of sophomoric psychological profiles that trivialized Russian national concerns as little more than the psychotic whim of a troubled individual. The caricatures that emerged of the Russian state and its leadership colored the analysis of Russia’s oft-stated concerns over what it viewed as its legitimate national security.

This blinded the West to the reality of what was transpiring. Because no one took Russia seriously, no one could imagine a large-scale ground war in Europe. So everyone was taken by surprise when such a conflict broke out.

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Tweet #zelensky: Ukraine has submitted its application against Russia to the ICJ. Russia must be held accountable for manipulating the notion of genocide to justify aggression. We request an urgent decision ordering Russia to cease military activity now and expect trials to start next week.

Border disputes can be handled by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague.

https://www.icj-cij.org/en

Major court case is the separation wall of Israel beyond the green line. Israel lost the case on July 9, 2004. It’s an advisory opinion unless both parties agree to a final, binding solution.

Guided by the principles of the Charter of the United Nations

Only the Security Council has the responsibility and power to enforce decisions … veto power of the permanent members.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 27 2022 12:50 utc | 1

The problem with people who believe their own propaganda is they have distorted few of reality. August 23 1939 is thought of as a brilliant move by Stalin — it was only brilliant if you think 30 million Soviet dead and the US Empire firmly established in Europe was Stalins goal.

Posted by: Wobblie | Feb 27 2022 12:58 utc | 2

I have no idea what the ultimate aims of the Russian campaign are, but if they include the entire country I believe that would be a mistake.

I believe attacking Western Ukraine would be more trouble than it is worth.

Call up the Hungarians & Poles and tell them they can reclaim their own territories and Russia will not stand in the way in Galicia.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 27 2022 13:04 utc | 3

Stalin blamed France for WW2 quite rightly. The Franco-Soviet Mutual Defence Pact 1935 was undermined by French pusillanimity and failure to honour Franco-Czech Treaty 1924 which rendered Soviet-Czech Treaty 1935 unable to be executed.

Putin and his Stavka - let's not forget Stavka makes decisions and that was created months ago - KNOW History whereas Westerners have forgotten it !

Putin's brother died in Siege of Leningrad

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2022 13:08 utc | 4

Anyone have any idea what this means?

Intel Slava Z, [27/02/2022 13:09]
🇷🇺⚡️⚡️Putin ordered the Ministry of Defense to transfer the Russian deterrence forces to a special mode of combat duty

Posted by: Barofsky | Feb 27 2022 13:14 utc | 5

Dear Wobblie:

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact did not emerge out of nothing - in the same building was Admiral Sir Reginald Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax leading a British team which had NO negotiating mandate and could not agree a Pact.

4. Sept 1938 US Ambassador to France Bullitt stated "Bullitt stated, "France and the United States were united in war and peace."
September 9, 1938, however, Roosevelt denied any such intention, saying it was "110% wrong that the United States would join a stop Hitler bloc."

So what was USSR to do ? France had Munich Agreement from Locarno Group which excluded USSR - and USA was not going to get involved.

Poland had a Non-Aggression Pact with Germany 1935 and invalidated that by a Pact with UK

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2022 13:14 utc | 6

USA is ready for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Russia. NATO is ready for the aftermath. Russia must immediately revive biological weapons deployment not just nuclear. Old kerosene powered missiles must be pumped to capacity and be launch ready. Preemptively taking out NATO spy satellites over Russia is a good move. There's no better time to do that.

Posted by: Jason | Feb 27 2022 13:18 utc | 7

Posted by: Jason | Feb 27 2022 13:18 utc | 7

Lol, no, the Nazi-Ally Treaty Organization is not prepared for a nuclear aftermath.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 27 2022 13:23 utc | 8


uh oh


https://sputniknews.com/20220227/putin-slams-western-permissiveness-of-aggressive-speeches-in-russias-direction-by-nato-officials-1093422175.html

Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO

Being updated
The Western alliance promised to "hold Russia" and Belarus "accountable" for the "brutal and wholly unprovoked and unjustified" "invasion" of Ukraine on Friday, warning that Moscow would be made to pay "a severe price" for its actions.

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the military to put the nation's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert Sunday following "aggressive statements" from NATO.

The alliance, Putin said, has not only taken "unfriendly actions" against Russia in the economic realm, but allowed senior officials to make aggressive statements in Moscow's direction.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 27 2022 13:25 utc | 9

@5 Barofsky.

Sometimes the nuclear forces of a country are referred to as the Strategic Deterrence Force. Russia on the other hand is also thought to have incorporated a non nuclear strategic deterrence concept into it's model involving long range precision weapons, conventionally armed ballistics and hypersonics etc. As such you could be looking at either one or both.

Posted by: S.O. | Feb 27 2022 13:29 utc | 10

Posted by: Jason | Feb 27 2022 13:18 utc | 7

Jason, do you need a direct phone number tothe Kremlin to relate your message?

Posted by: Steve | Feb 27 2022 13:30 utc | 11

Avoid Sky News like the plague ,,(real one)
Liz Truss.
Dear God!
How lower can expectations go?

Posted by: Jpc | Feb 27 2022 13:30 utc | 12

Ukrainian analyst, using maps, shows significant Russian successes today across many fronts, from Donbass to Mariupol to Kiev. Use cc auto translate if necessary (it is bit delayed at times, but it will work eventually).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Ai1EVe5xQ

Posted by: Prof | Feb 27 2022 13:31 utc | 13

No fuel for the concentrationcampguards and kapos. Simple.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 27 2022 13:34 utc | 15

Isn't the smart play for Russia to quickly retreat behind the Dniepr or to Donbass, and drop Mad Max Kiev right back into the EU's lap? Denazification/Regime-change/Nation-building in all of Ukraine seems well beyond the resources which Russia is willing to commit, or even has available. Smash up the mil infrastructure as needed, but what good can come from an occupation? It's not like people in Kiev and elsewhere are suddenly going to change their minds and greet the RAF as liberators--local resistance seems way beyond what the Russians expected.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 13:35 utc | 16

Posted by: Prof | Feb 27 2022 13:31 utc | 13

Thanks for the link

Posted by: jo6pac | Feb 27 2022 13:43 utc | 17

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 13:35 utc | 16


Isn't the smart play for Russia to quickly retreat behind the Dniepr or to Donbass, and drop Mad Max Kiev right back into the EU's lap?

No. This is the game for all the marbles.

If Putin retreats now, NATO is going to bring Ukraine into the alliance and immediately move it's forces into Ukraine.

They will use this to put Ukraine into a heightened war footing, now having effectively recruited most of the (non-Russian sympathising) population into a willing fighting force for future conflicts.

Ukraine's entire purpose thereafter will be to be used as a battering ram against Russia, while the entire Western world employs the same slow strangulation techniques it used against the USSR.

There's no going back now for Putin. It's all, or endure a second dissolution as with the USSR.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 13:43 utc | 18

U.S MSM is totally controlled .if you watch it you'd be convinced that Putin is ready to wave the white flag at any moment.

Posted by: Lisa Brewer | Feb 27 2022 13:52 utc | 19

As Ukrainian forces use banned phosphorous weapons just outside Kiev, Ukraine's Delegation Heading to Gomel Region in Belarus for Talks With Russia.


https://sputniknews.com/20220227/ukraines-delegation-heading-to-gomel-region-in-belarus-for-talks-with-russia---putins-aide-says-1093421000.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 13:52 utc | 20

@ Ma Laoshi, You might be up to something there. Russia doesn't want the nation 404. Nobody wants it.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 27 2022 13:53 utc | 21

I believe the Russians will seige Kiev, perhaps Lvov, while continuing on all other fronts and until they achieve their stated goals and get it on paper. The timeframe would be greatly shortened if they can separate Zelensky from his handlers.

Posted by: North Patagonia | Feb 27 2022 13:56 utc | 22

Can someone in Germany confirm this Cassad's Telegram: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/24250 Scholz saying Germany no longer needs to have guilt over Nazism because of Putin? Nazis coming out of the closet now??

Posted by: Krungle | Feb 27 2022 14:02 utc | 23

@Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 13:43 utc | 18

>>No. This is the game for all the marbles. [..] There's no going back now for Putin.

Chilling words; mind you, I'm not saying you are wrong. But then still, how can you play for all the marbles with a force of ~40,000 as is often mentioned? I'd have, say, expected extensive air/drone support against Ukie armor in the cities; the kinds of strikes that were so effective in Syria. Or maybe it happens all the time, we just aren't being shown.

I don't have a decent picture of what is going on, but it looks like RAF are overextending themselves and many more Ukies than maybe was expected aren't planning to just roll over.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 14:05 utc | 24

This has been rattling around the tweet-o-sphere recently and now looks confirmed.

"Putin orders Russian nuclear deterrent forces to be on highest alert"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550767-putin-nuclear-deterrent-forces-order/

Someone is going to have to blink soon or we are back in the Stone Age.

Posted by: imo | Feb 27 2022 14:05 utc | 25

Psychotic Ukrainian nationalists continue shooting people in Kiev on suspicions of being “Russian infiltrators”: video.

This really reminds of the modus operandi of the U.S. police: they point guns at people for no reason, people get scared and run away, police then shoots them for the offense of running away.

Posted by: S | Feb 27 2022 14:09 utc | 26

Posted by: Barofsky | Feb 27 2022 13:14 utc | 5

Anyone have any idea what this means?

Intel Slava Z, [27/02/2022 13:09]
🇷🇺⚡️⚡️Putin ordered the Ministry of Defense to transfer the Russian deterrence forces to a special mode of combat duty

It means essentially that Russia is now at defcon 1 or 2.

If you have BOB bags, check their readiness, just in case.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 27 2022 14:11 utc | 27

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 14:05 utc | 24


But then still, how can you play for all the marbles with a force of ~40,000 as is often mentioned? ... but it looks like RAF are overextending themselves and many more Ukies than maybe was expected aren't planning to just roll over.

Let's assume the Western media is not completely lying: For weeks we've been told Putin has a force of at least 100 000 (some estimate between 100K and 150K, depending on the level of hysteria) mustered on the borders. Recent reports insist that Putin has only 30% of his total available forces in Ukraine, with a larger force stationed in Belarus and Russia.

We now hear Chechen divisions are being brought in , roughly 20k-50K by what I can gather from reports.

And there's the militias from the Donbass.

So it looks like Putin has far from over-committed, in fact he has managed to wreck the core of the Ukrainian military infrastructure and surround the key cities with what is essentially an exploratory ground force.

This makes sense, because Putin would have to account for potential attacks by NATO forces at any time.


I'd have, say, expected extensive air/drone support against Ukie armor in the cities... Or maybe it happens all the time, we just aren't being shown.

I find it very, very odd that we've had almost no information about Russia's use of drones, and this in a country with large, advanced drone fleet along with the complete C4 infrastructure to wage networked drone warfare. However I think it would be irrational to imagine they're not being used for no reason.

I can only conclude they're operating in passive mode, to be activated as a surgical tool if things get truly hot. My prediction is that we will shortly begin receiving reports of drone strikes on the Azov battalions and others like them, including particularly stubborn pockets of Ukrainian Armed forces.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 14:22 utc | 28

Posted by: Krungle | Feb 27 2022 14:02 utc | 23

Nope. He believes, "Germany is now standing on the right side of history", and denounces Putin's stance:


Anyone who reads Putin's historicizing treatises, who has seen his public declaration of war on Ukraine on television, or who - like me - recently spoke with him in person for hours, can no longer have any doubt: Putin wants to build a Russian empire. He wants to fundamentally reorder conditions in Europe according to his own ideas. And in doing so, he does not shy away from military force. We see this today in Ukraine.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


Except showing he a complete fool, I could not find anything at a first glance.

Posted by: TomD | Feb 27 2022 14:22 utc | 29

This conflict sure has a lot of moving parts.


Biden advisor: U.S. sanctions against Russia are 'designed' to impact Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba.

Video ==> https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1497401278762151939

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2022 14:26 utc | 30

@Ma Laoshi #16:

Isn't the smart play for Russia to quickly retreat behind the Dniepr or to Donbass, and drop Mad Max Kiev right back into the EU's lap? Denazification/Regime-change/Nation-building in all of Ukraine seems well beyond the resources which Russia is willing to commit, or even has available.

Nice example of concern trolling.

…local resistance seems way beyond what the Russians expected.

How do you know what Russians expected?

#24:

I'd have, say, expected extensive air/drone support against Ukie armor in the cities; the kinds of strikes that were so effective in Syria.

Yeaaah, riiight… So the West can accuse Russia of crimes against humanity.

…it looks like RAF are overextending themselves and many more Ukies than maybe was expected aren't planning to just roll over.

Overextending? Russian military is still using only a fraction of troops assigned to the Operation.

The Ukraine will be de-militarized and de-Nazified.

Posted by: S | Feb 27 2022 14:26 utc | 31

Isn't the smart play for Russia to quickly retreat behind the Dniepr or to Donbass, and drop Mad Max Kiev right back into the EU's lap? Denazification/Regime-change/Nation-building in all of Ukraine seems well beyond the resources which Russia is willing to commit, or even has available. Smash up the mil infrastructure as needed, but what good can come from an occupation? It's not like people in Kiev and elsewhere are suddenly going to change their minds and greet the RAF as liberators--local resistance seems way beyond what the Russians expected.

Stalin knew what he was doing when he created the western border of the USSR. Poland, for the first time, was created within the territory of the Polish people. Galicia, was a German enclave, not Polish. Including Galicia into the USSR, together with Moldovia, the Balts, and Belarussia gave the USSR a western border that was virtually a straight N/S line, with connection to Kaliningrad, which gave the USSR a perch from which to control all of Western Europe.

NATO has striven mightily since German Re-unification to obviate this.

It is in Russia's interest to ignore voices like yours, and to remove NATO from the FSU.

NATO has a problem... having lost it's bid to dis-member Russia and take it's resources... NATO lacks sufficient resources to maintain it's Nuclear Deterrent, it's conventional Land forces, it's AirForce(s), and it's Navies....

The resources required are as follows:
Distillate
Titanium
Aluminum
Coal
Noble Gases
Napthas -- eg: gasoline
Cotton
Steel
Rare Earths
Uranium

EurAsia has sufficient resources to grow indefinitely.

Russia, via retaking Ukraine removes a major supply of grain, and minerals from NATO control. The grain is currently committed to Egypt and India, among others. Thus Russia gains leverage over those countries, and additionally most countries in the Middle East.

Russia also gains control over major fertilizer sources, leaving NATO with insufficient stocks to grow this year's crop(s)

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 27 2022 14:28 utc | 32

Tass.com:

15.15: President Vladimir Putin has issued orders to introduce what he described as a "special service regime" in the Russian army’s deterrence force [= the nukes].

15.17: The Ukrainian delegation will meet with Russia without any preconditions on the border in the area of the Pripyat River.

I choose to be an optimist and take this as a sign that the handlers of the Ukrainian government are not actually INSANE.

Posted by: veto | Feb 27 2022 14:32 utc | 33

Re: Posted by: S.O. | Feb 27 2022 13:29 utc | 10

You have to assume ALL long-range missiles are nuclear.

Long-range conventional weapons are pointless.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 27 2022 14:40 utc | 34

Putin better hope he and Z can strike a deal pretty quick. Everyday the war goes on, Russia looses. Putin has bragged that Russia is prepared for millions of dead--as if the Russian people have a say. Another 30 million dead? Brilliant. Death to all autocrats, plutocrats and warmongers. The CCP will inherit the earth if this goes on much longer.

Posted by: wobblie | Feb 27 2022 14:41 utc | 35

A positive development? Negotiation talks:
https://sputniknews.com/20220227/ukraines-delegation-heading-to-gomel-region-in-belarus-for-talks-with-russia---putins-aide-says-1093421000.html

Posted by: not applicable | Feb 27 2022 14:42 utc | 36

Make no mistake - this has only just started and really is for all the marbles.
The west/nato now represent an existential threat to the survival of russia and Russian people.
Russians are using kid gloves with Ukraine because they are kin.
Other countries will not get the same treatment and yes unless the west sees sense this will go nuclear.russia has nowhere to retreat to.

Posted by: Merandor | Feb 27 2022 14:44 utc | 37

Note that Putin/Shoigu have not committed all their forces. Khadyrof says they should be used. (They tried an advance without artillery or air suppost) which was repulsed.
Chechnya's Ramzan Kadyrov says Russia's tactics in Ukraine aren't working.

Kadyrov; "They're armed to the teeth with new weapony and ammunition, new generation heavy artillery, and we're still placing our hopes on the Ukrainians' coming to their senses."

So; Negotiations? Until 3pm today for zelensky/US to activate dialogue via Gomel(Belarus). Putin has refused negotiations in Israel with Bennett. It is possible that Kiev with their mayor might still negotiate. Kharkiv is "entered" by several routes.

Second (or third attempt) by Putin. After that => all in?
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NATO and the US might be thinking of an attack, or claiming a "no-fly zone" There are F-35s on the Uke/Polish border, plus an estimated 175'000 troops along the "EU front". (The UK recently moved tanks closer to Moscow in Estonia).

Which could be the reason for the updated defensive posture by Russia.

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Putin can't and won't back down.

****
Cards still in the unused pile; False flag(s). Chemical/Bio from one of the 10 US biolabs being "blown up - or something". If Chemical => limited area and used as an excuse for all-out NATO attack. Bio? Heaven help us, but you can alway run to your local vaxx clinic to see if they have updates.

(Incidentally Pfizer and Moderna are facing problems of serious backlash and revelations of fraud. details at Open thread 2022-16, NOT about Ukraine. Grieved | Feb 26 2022 1:05 utc | 69
or here https://www.sott.net/article/464919-Oopsie-Pfizer-vaccine-is-reverse-transcribed-intracellularly-into-the-genome-of-human-cells-in-as-fast-as-6-hours-upon-exposure-study. )

Nuclear stations.
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One result demanded by Putin is the caging, neutralization and trial of Azov and other Nazi bands. The three kettles shown by Prof | Feb 27 2022 13:31 utc | 13 link (maps), - correspond to this becoming a near reality.


Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 27 2022 14:44 utc | 38

Day 4 and b is forced to spout cliches about the truth of war because the truth is Russia has experienced a much rockier road to Kyiv than anticipated.

Now for the third day in a row Russia has requested peace talks with Ukraine. Is this coming from a place of solid control or from the result of a poorly calculated offensive strategy that overreached badly and Putin needs an offramp?

It's reported that Ukraine will send a delegation to meet with the Russians near the Belarus border.

This is a no loss situation for either side but Russia is clearly in need of a narrative change as the mighty Putin dealt himself a big strategic L here regardless of the eventual outcome on the battlefield.

MOA continues on its own significant losing streak with respect to its geopolitical analysis. It is almost as if Putin started to believe in Russian propaganda with the same fervor as the cringeworthy commentariat.

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 27 2022 14:45 utc | 39

@S | Feb 27 2022 14:26 utc | 31

>>Nice example of concern trolling.
Like indeed I don't know the thinking of RAF brass, you can't look in my mind. I'm not trolling anything, I was clear I find it difficult to get a handle on the situation.

>> >…local resistance seems way beyond what the Russians expected.
>>How do you know what Russians expected?
I only go by the little I've seen: "Z" supply/follow-up convoys moving though terrain that was not cleared by the initial strike force with minimal protection, and getting promptly wiped out. That can't have been the plan. I'm not claiming to know what's what, but @Arch Bungle seems to get the questions I'm having.

>> >I'd have, say, expected extensive air/drone support against Ukie armor in the cities; the kinds of strikes that were so effective in Syria.
>>Yeaaah, riiight… So the West can accuse Russia of crimes against humanity.
I didn't reference the Syria war for nothing. Time and again, we've seen that RuAF has the capability to take out individual vehicles with guided missiles. Seems like that could come in handy now. Clearly I wasn't advocating carpet-bombing city blocks. But while Ukie civilian attitudes matter a great deal, the ship has sailed when it comes to "optics" in Western MSM. Russia will be accused of everything no matter what.
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@Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 27 2022 14:28 utc | 32

>>INDY
Still don't know what this stands for in your posts.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 14:47 utc | 40

This issue needs fleshing out. A puppet regime across all of Ukraine isn't practical. It would play into Russia getting bogged down Vietnam style.

They can sign a neutrality agreement but we all know that means nothing as with Minsk.

Can they split Ukraine in two? I don't think they can afford that either. What's left is an expanded Donbas as a buffer state and a hostile wrecked Ukraine that's NATO one way or the other. I'm not even sure they can hold the southern coastline long term. This ends up like Iraq.

OTOH, the remaining mess will be broke and wrecked for years to come and they need the pipelines. Does Russia have more leverage to ensure neutrality?

Looking at Syria, I think Putin understands this and will not get bogged down in the western trap. NATO isn't supposed to accept anybody with a boundary dispute but rules mean nothing.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 27 2022 14:52 utc | 41

Ukrainian negotiators pull out of Gomel meeting.


https://www.rt.com/russia/550759-russia-ukraine-talks-delayed/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 14:55 utc | 42

The more vicious the propaganda gets, the more likely is that Nato is loosing badly on the ground. Popcorn time.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 27 2022 14:55 utc | 43

I have seen the 175,000 NATO troops surround Russia, just wonder who gets to write the fantasy. Standard military doctrine, for every combat troop in the field, requires 10 people in bush to support them. Sounds as asinine as giving AK47s to grannies, wonder if the magazine has a warning, Save Last Round For Self. Bet they never even got a field cleaning kit for it.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 27 2022 14:56 utc | 44

@Eighthman | Feb 27 2022 14:52 utc | 41

"NATO isn't supposed to accept anybody with a boundary dispute but rules mean nothing."

I think if you just replace "NATO" with "USA" and insert the phrase "not agreement capable" somewhere, then it all makes much more sense.

Posted by: imo | Feb 27 2022 14:57 utc | 45

@ Ma Laoshi 16
Isn't the smart play for Russia to quickly retreat behind the Dniepr or to Donbass. . .
and re: if the Russian forces get bogged down, the door opens for a NATO intervention

Then not to get bogged down Russia has to have a better plan than the US had in Iraq, while considering that Ukraine has long borders with Poland and Romania which allow unlimited smuggling of small arms including tank-killers. What abut Kiev? Tanks are useless in cities. What the US had to do in Iraq was to establish military cadres in every section of Baghdad, troops that had to learn about the local conditions and take necessary actions to pacify their precinct, troops that took heavy casualties.

In January, 2007, Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee, seeking confirmation as the new U.S. commander in Iraq. The Iraq situation was dire. Nearly four years after the UN invasion and occupation the capital city was still not pacified. A press report regarding what later came to be called "The Surge":

. . .Taken together, the general’s replies formed the picture of a military leader who sincerely believes in his mission, yearns to bring his country victory, and wants the opportunity to bring his skills to the battlefield – perhaps at a cost of skepticism, and realism.
. . .Whenever he was asked about the Bush administration’s new plan to pacify Baghdad with an additional 21,500 U.S. troops, Petraeus was confident and certain, the very picture of a can-do military commander. . . .The hearing’s most worrisome moments came when Reed and McCain noted that the number of American and reliable Iraqi troops charged with pacifying Baghdad – 40,000 to 85,000 – does not approach the number (120,000) required by the general’s own counterinsurgency doctrine. “Your numbers by any estimate and formula that you use are either inadequate or bare minimum,” McCain said. Petraeus told him not to worry.
“There are tens of thousands” of Western private security contractors and Iraqi ministerial security forces that will “guard facilities and secure institutions and so forth,” he said. . here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 27 2022 14:58 utc | 46

This is a good summary of Russian concerns and interests re: Ukraine

Note: the author is clearly anti-Russia, but nonetheless the factual content is good.

What Russia Wants In Ukraine - RealLifeLore on Youtube

Summary:

1) Russian defensive interests: the geography and military terrain features of Russian plains is such that it is to Russia's interests to push its sphere of influence as far West as possible, as the Russian plains geographic features make defense progressively more difficult, going eastward.
2) Energy: not just the Ukraine gas transit, but also Black Sea offshore gas and shale gas in Donetsk and Carpathian Mountains in West Ukraine. The role of the Don river in Russian oil transport is also mentioned but no detail is provided.
3) Crimea: cutoff of water and cost to Russia to maintain Crimea's civilian population and the large military base
4) Russian interests: several possible phases
a) Dniepr river: Crimea water
b) Donetsk/Luhansk: shale gas onshore; Don river for oil transport
c) Southern Black Sea coastline of Ukraine: offshare gas
d) Russian geographic/military defense: some forms of narrowing the gap between Belarus and the Black Sea

In reality, I am sure the actual plan has options and contingencies for all of the above, depending on the situation on the ground.

The author is far less credible in attempting to portray demographic decline and climate change as factors.

Demographic decline: Russia population falling thus Putin must act now.
Idiotic because this isn't World War 1 or World War 2 (or earlier): sheer mass of manpower is no longer a major factor in either warfare or military supply.

Climate change: Crimea has never been self sufficient on water - climate change is irrelevant to Crimea's reliance on water from mainland Ukraine.

Overall, the author's assessment of the high level geopolitical/military aspects of the situation is good but his clear lack of expansion on Russia's military history of invasions from the West; the provocations incumbent in NATO expansion and Ukraine political interference; the failure to address any of Russia's security interests as put forward in written treaties in December and in warnings going back to 2007; the already extant sanctions on Russia - all point to either a deliberate obfuscation or a more likely typical Western MSM-fueled myopia.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2022 15:00 utc | 47

Meat beater
You are clearly a troll or seriously clueless.
At the operational level there have been mistakes such as what you mention about convoys undefended.
At the strategic level things are very much on track. Russian procedure on clearing towns is excellent and was used extensively in Syria.
Step 1 approach the town and assess the chance of their surrender
Step 2 surround the town, cutting off resupply.
Step 3 based on initial recon begin with very targeted strikes weakening defenses
Step 4 send in probes to gain a clearer picture of internal defenses
Step 5 begin degrading them
Step 6 open humanitarian corridors
Step 7 begin probing attacks from different sides 24/7 to disturb and confuse and sleep deprive (your troops can rest)
Step 8 when defenses are sufficiently weakened invade

Posted by: Merandor | Feb 27 2022 15:01 utc | 48

I've seen video on telegram of civilians killing a man who was checked beaten and he tried to run away, this a in residential areas.

Posted by: svaya | Feb 27 2022 15:01 utc | 49

Posted by: wobblie | Feb 27 2022 14:41 utc | 35


Putin better hope he and Z can strike a deal pretty quick.

Putin better hope nothing. All the fat entitled NATO-EU bureaucrats and c**ksucking British parliamentarians better hope Ukraine finds an accord with Russia or they're going to find themselves at the end of a Russian Marshall Plan at the end of WW3!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:02 utc | 50

Oh by the way
We are currently stage 4/5 for most cities. All of these oh the Russians lost and retreated statements are nuts.
These are probing attacks to gain intel

Posted by: Merandor | Feb 27 2022 15:03 utc | 51

Posted by: Merandor | Feb 27 2022 15:01 utc | 48

These idiots watch a video of a single Russian tank running out of fuel by the roadside and all of a sudden it's "Putin is Dooooooomed!".

Trolls or morons, I don't know which.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:05 utc | 52

Also noticed, after watching several videos of burned out Ukrainian military vehicles, the one thing missing were bodies. Lots of disabled vehicles, no dead or maimed Ukrainian troops. Not to be macarbe, but it does look very clinical on the Russian behalf.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 27 2022 15:06 utc | 53

Posted by: Merandor | Feb 27 2022 15:03 utc | 51


We are currently stage 4/5 for most cities.

I'm hearing reports of humanitarian corridors, so 6 will become more prominent.

I predict we'll start seeing corridors bloom from Monday on to Friday this week.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:07 utc | 54

Just an impression but the West's over attentiveness to selling the consequences for Russian misbehavior in the form of sanctions may be showing some actual thought. The sanctions have never worked, and some would say have led to Russian self reliance and independence from foreign supplied trade, but politically the citizens of the West also believe that sanctions are real punishment. This is a pressure relief valve that Biden et al can claim imposed on Putin as an excuse for not risking other measures that could pose a war danger with the West.
Biden and the West have also promised more weapons for the Ukies. I wonder how they can manage to ship them into that country based on Russia having the place locked down.
FWIW,
L

Posted by: Larry Paul Johnson | Feb 27 2022 15:11 utc | 55

Stonebird @ 38
NATO and the US might be thinking of an attack, or claiming a "no-fly zone" There are F-35s on the Uke/Polish border, plus an estimated 175'000 troops along the "EU front". (The UK recently moved tanks closer to Moscow in Estonia).

That is always a possibility if this continues for months on end. Do the countries in the region want to deal with a extended prolonged war and the aftermath in their countries? Certainly the US population is being primed for war against Russia in their minds by the media.

I wonder how NATO would perform in a regional war being an entity of different nations and languages cobbled together. How ready are the front line states in Eastern Europe being relatively new to NATO?

Has NATO ever done something like this? I know they are and were involved in supporting missions all over the world. I imagine it would be quite a mess. In WWII Germany conscripted a few nations on their drive to Russia and they performed very poorly. There is nothing like a unified command under one country and language to move a war effort.

I have read that Russia's EW is somewhat effective against F-35's. It scrambles the electronics. My guess is that these countries are in to grab as many Yankee dollars and equipment as they can. How they would perform in a regional war is open to question.

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 27 2022 15:13 utc | 56

Ze is only the front man, he has no say in initiating peace talks. IMO: Decision makers in the US actually want to end it, when they now agree to these talks. The US State Dept was publicly refusing it just 1 day ago. I think the capital behind the Biden govt got cold feet and wants a way out to uphold US dominance over world finance. But that ship has sailed by publicly announcing the SWIFT ban on Russian banks and the freezing of assets of the Russian Central Bank. This is the nucleus for a new world order. The West already did it to minor players like Iran and North Korea. But now everybody outside of the West sees the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 27 2022 15:15 utc | 57

@ Dr. George W Oprisko #32
The resources required are as follows:
Distillate
Titanium
Aluminum
Coal
Noble Gases
Napthas -- eg: gasoline
Cotton
Steel
Rare Earths
Uranium

“Ah, but we have Windmills!”
-Quoth Don Quijote

Posted by: El Sid | Feb 27 2022 15:15 utc | 58

@ Ma Laoshi 40
>>INDY Still don't know what this stands for in your posts.
Oprisko's from Indiana.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 27 2022 15:16 utc | 59

@Eighthman #41
See the "Russia's Interests in the Ukraine" post above.
There are multiple interests - not just militarily defensive but also economic.
Russia certainly has a plan, and the plan likely has contingencies depending on what results are obtained.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2022 15:17 utc | 60

@Ma Laoshi | Feb 27 2022 14:05 utc | 24

I don't have a decent picture of what is going on, but it looks like RAF are overextending themselves and many more Ukies than maybe was expected aren't planning to just roll over.

No, this is totally contradicted by Gonzalo Lira who lives in Kharkov and is now in a hotel in Kiev. You can see his report in the final ~15minutes of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbgjjEnbKc

He says the media reports in the west are completely unreal and not reflecting the actual realities. He is in direct connection with his family and others in Kharkov.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2022 15:20 utc | 61

A map that if accurate may offer some insight into planning and actions taken so far.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1497688642583683076/photo/1

Note the strikes on the Western side of Ukraine, particularly the one farthest north. That may be the ivano frankivsk air base which was hit south of Lvov. A number of Mig 29's were reportedly destroyed

https://www.airlive.net/ukrainian-air-force-mig-29s-have-been-destroyed-at-ivano-frankivsk-airbase/

A visual representation of what happens when brown stuff meets fan. I remember the ominous feelings of impending doom while we waited for news of the Cuban missile crisis, and of course we didn't have the internet back then,

Posted by: bubbles | Feb 27 2022 15:20 utc | 62

https://thefinancialbrand.com/130037/how-u-s-central-bank-digital-currency-could-impact-banks-payments/

This a big picture, long term issue that will greatly affect Russia - and the West : digital money

I believe the Too Big To Jail banks hate digital money because it tends to push them into irrelevance. Why would I need a checking account or credit card? Or even much savings?

No one seems to talk about this - together with its political effects. Sanctions become difficult or impossible. Currency Swaps are just a present work around.

The US thinks digital money won't hit the dollar reserve dominance but it doesn't have to. Whether digital yuan or ruble, trade and politics will change radically.

The above is my hypothesis on why digital currency has taken so long. It's all overdue - and Russia may precipitate the shift, to their advantage. Without the dollar leverage, the US is left with its woke, "diverse" gender fluid (Navy Seals, I'm not kidding) military. Good Luck With All That.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 27 2022 15:21 utc | 63

@circumspect #56
NATO has forces, but it is 100% clear that they have zero capability to contest with Russia on the ground.

In the air: whatever the relative strengths of the F35 are vs. Su-XX or Mig-YY - are irrelevant.

What is relevant is that Ukraine is squarely under the Russian anti-aircraft umbrella - the S500.
The likely capability of US or NATO airplanes to claim air superiority and/or to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine is zero, barring a de-facto declaration of all-out war via the proactive neutralization of Russian AA missile sites.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2022 15:21 utc | 64

Holy shit!...this place is full of wackjobs now.

Posted by: JakSiemasz | Feb 27 2022 15:21 utc | 65

Posted by: S | Feb 27 2022 14:26 utc

#24:

I'd have, say, expected extensive air/drone support against Ukie armor in the cities; the kinds of strikes that were so effective in Syria.

Yeaaah, riiight… So the West can accuse Russia of crimes against humanity.

In the highly unlikely event they were to take such an action, they could point to Israel's reactions to a few belly dancers that kill no Jews which ends with as many as 3,000 or so dead Palestinians in Gaza. Just trot out those well-worn, tried and true Western tropes about "human shields," which undoubtedly true in this case.

They could simply follow Michael Ricardus Magnificis's lead and praise the West by mentioning that they are using the fantastic Serbian, Libyan, and Gaza models and learned from the best.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 27 2022 15:25 utc | 66

Reuters
U.N. reports at least 240 civilian casualties, 64 deaths in Ukraine
>The UN never issued such reports on all the millions of US assault victims in Asia and Africa. . .But then, they weren't US puppet Europeans don't ya know.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 27 2022 15:27 utc | 67

@Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 14:55 utc | 42

https://www.rt.com/russia/550759-russia-ukraine-talks-delayed/

Now it is my turn to be blocked from RT, the DDOS guard seems to hang, I tried a couple of computers without success. Short quotes from those that can read the article would be useful.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2022 15:29 utc | 68

<|>I choose to be an optimist and take this as a sign that the handlers of the Ukrainian government are not actually INSANE.

I would saytheir only purpose will be to buy some time. I am afraid it will be a complete waiste of time.

Posted by: Milos | Feb 27 2022 15:32 utc | 69

Arch Bungle @ 16

I think it is far worse than what you say. Vox Day and others say it is not only that 30% of the staged troops have been activated for the Ukraine operation, but that they are 2nd tier troops using older equipment and none of the newest Russian weapons have been used yet.

To your point, this might mean Russia is taking a deliberate soft hand approach, which is a reasonable assumption. But an unstated second reason could be that Russia has no intention at stopping with just Ukraine. There already have permanently placed an elite armor group in Belarus. I think if could mean surgical strikes with said wonder weapons to destroy the NATO anti ballistic bases in Poland and Romania, and all those extra troops will stay there to dare NATO to do something about it….plus the not so secret activation and moment of mobile ICBM troops that could hit any target in EU zone or UK. Russia feels pushed in a corner and is determined to check NATO this time - maybe once and for all. That would be very bad for the West ( I. E. USA) which trying at all costs to hang on their perceived unipower superpower status. Would be bad for the entire world - why does the EU have to be so stupid at the worst possible times.

Posted by: Drshivago | Feb 27 2022 15:32 utc | 70

@Norwegian try other browser than Chrome

Posted by: svaya | Feb 27 2022 15:33 utc | 71

@Eighthman #63
I am said so many times, I say so again: digital currencies offer ZERO additional benefits in terms of transaction efficiency.
The reality is that it does not matter if a money payment takes 10 minutes or a millisecond - there are no transactions in the real world that require a millisecond payment.
The true barrier to speedy transactions today is primarily not operational, it is regulatory: KYC and AML. Whether you call it social control or anti-terrorist money laundering, the reality is that any real financial institution has a legal requirement to perform Know Your Customer and Anti Money Laundering due diligence on every transaction of any size.
The only bit of operational issue is that almost all banks are still using multi-decade old systems - because modern systems are simply not accurate or reliable enough to replace these old hunks of metal.
Yes, a digital currency can incorporate all of the aspects of a China or US style surveillance getup - but this doesn't matter because the resulting flood of data will be unusable. AI, in theory, can address this but I personally doubt it - because the AI isn't working on a law of physics but rather against highly motivated and intelligent human adversaries, and the battlespace isn't a highly constricted one like chess or a video game.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2022 15:34 utc | 72

@Norwegian | Feb 27 2022 15:29 utc | 68

No, just "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable" from here in Oz, even through Tor browser. I assume it under attack.

Posted by: imo | Feb 27 2022 15:35 utc | 73

The 'West' needs a bit of sobering up... I suggest a hyper-sonic with a small conventional warhead dropped in a the middle of a big corn field in Iowa before USA 'air-defenses' even know it's in the air. The US must understand that it has lost - if it ever had - superior military capability.

Also I'm reminded of a fairly new theory about our lack of visitations from alien civilizations - namely that higher and higher intelligence does not lead to peace and prosperity but extinction. We can clearly see how superior human intelligence is nothing but vainglory, as intelligence does not confer wisdom, or the ability to do the right thing.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 27 2022 15:39 utc | 74

"Putin orders Russian nuclear deterrent forces to be on highest alert"

https://youtu.be/MHxeMajUu2w

Posted by: imo | Feb 27 2022 15:41 utc | 75

@Don Bacon #67
Sadly, the numbers you quote are probably only slightly higher than the deadliest single US drone strike.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2022 15:41 utc | 76

Norwegian (68).

Here you go.


President Vladimir Putin placed the country’s strategic deterrence forces on “special” alert on Sunday, announcing the move during a meeting with Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov.

“Western countries are not only taking unfriendly actions against our country in the economic area. I'm speaking about the illegitimate sanctions that everyone is well aware of. However, the top officials of the leading NATO countries also make aggressive statements against our country as well,” Putin stated.

Russia’s deterrent forces include various strategic weapons, both nuclear and conventional, that can be used for defense and offense alike. According to Russia’s military definition, the forces are designed to “to deter aggression against Russia and its allies, as well as to defeat the aggressor, including in a war with the use of nuclear weapons.”

The move comes amid the ongoing offensive by Russia in neighboring Ukraine, launched by Moscow on February 24. The military operation followed Russia’s formal recogniton of the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, which split from Kiev back in 2014.

The offensive prompted a massive international fallout, with the West launching a new wave of sanctions against Russia, accusing it of an “unprovoked” attack. The new restrictions ranged from personal sanctions against top officials, including Russia’s president, to targeting the financial system of the country.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 15:42 utc | 77

. . .from the White House, Japan is now a 'western' country

We welcome Japan’s announcement today that it will stand with the European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States to isolate Russia from the international financial system and our economies. Following Japan’s announcement, the entire G7 now supports disconnecting selected Russian banks from SWIFT, restrictions on the Russian Central Bank, and sanctioning key Russian leaders, including President Putin. Prime Minister Kishida and the Government of Japan have been leaders in condemning President Putin’s attack on Ukraine and we will continue working closely together to impose further severe costs and make Putin’s war of choice a strategic failure. . .here

Japan also stands with the US on China, BTW.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 27 2022 15:43 utc | 78

I honestly don't know what AI can do; constricted spaces like chess and now poker are in the process of being solved, I don't know what the limits are.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 27 2022 15:44 utc | 79

Still wondering whether or not the Ukrainian people will support, or not support, a more Russian friendly Govt. replacing the West-friendly Govt. of the comedian Mr. Z..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 27 2022 15:45 utc | 80

People here really need to stop checking the MSM for news. Of course the MSM will say that Russia is losing---that's propaganda 101! Think rationally; don't expect Russia to conduct war like the U.S., who has a habit of razing cities to the ground. This is a war between brothers, and Putin knows quite well that it is to his advantage to treat Ukrainians well in order to avoid a post-surrender insurgency. Consider also that Putin has not committed the whole Russian army to the Ukraine front. So even with a relatively small number of troops on the ground, the Russians are making gains by the hour. Why else would Zelensky relent and agree to negotiations (surrender) in Belarus? We are already seeing a lot of hysteria from the mainstream public; we shouldn't be bringing it over here as well. We need to keep our sanity.

Posted by: AnalyticMind | Feb 27 2022 15:45 utc | 81

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 15:42 utc | 77

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/well-kick-putins-backside-says-ben-wallace-0htn8hdps

As a Scot, can you comment about this particular "aggressive statement" of a major NATO figure (especially the reference to Scot Guards)?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 27 2022 15:46 utc | 82

Maria Surreal Bartiromo, a member of the Americastani equivalent of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, just mentioned on Fox Banderism (she is usually on Fox Plunderbund during the week) that the Russians have their nuke on high alert. Here I was beginning to think there was a difference between that Khabalka and a stopped clock in that a stopped clock was correct an additional two times per day.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 27 2022 15:46 utc | 83

Posted by: Drshivago | Feb 27 2022 15:32 utc | 70


I think it is far worse than what you say.

It certainly is but I felt it not necessary to belabor the point. As someone noted earlier, the lack of prominence of drones from the Russian side leaves one to think Putin is being particularly frugal here ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:46 utc | 84

@ 81; Exactly!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 27 2022 15:48 utc | 85

@svaya | Feb 27 2022 15:33 utc | 71
Actually it worked with an old Waterfox browser (haven't used it in a couple of years). We have to assume that RT will be on and off from now on. I will make a short quote then

Moscow sends negotiating team, but Ukraine rejects summit location

Prospects for talks hang in limbo as Russian troops close in on Kiev

Talks to end the Russian military operation in Ukraine are delayed again due to disagreements over the location of the potential summit.

Clearly, this isn't happening.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2022 15:50 utc | 86

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 27 2022 15:43 utc | 78


Japan also stands with the US on China, BTW.

I suspect Uncle Sam has offered them the return of the Kurils and the Diaoyu islands one day, should Russia be successfully subjugated.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:50 utc | 87

If you want to make sense of whats going on on the ground in Ukr , you have to stick to the mission order : special op to de militarize and de nazify. Period. Now you can imagine how you would proceed if you had that kind of mission; you wouldn't need to hold positions, its NOT a regular army op, you need to search and destroy ...

Posted by: GoFigure | Feb 27 2022 15:51 utc | 88

Some posters are comparing this to Vietnam or Iraq. Do you idiots realize that “the Ukraine” has been part of Russia from 1654 (Zaporozhian Host) to 1991? That’s 337 years. Most “Ukrainians” speak Russian in their daily lives (i.e., when not on TV). A significant percentage of “Ukrainians” are really Russians who were forced to identify as “Ukrainians”, first by the Soviets in the 1930s during the Ukrainization campaign, then by the nationalists in the 1990s. Of course, many “Ukrainians” are real Ukrainians, but that does not necessarily imply that they are hostile towards Russia. Before 1917, these Ukrainians called themselves Malorussians. Even among Galicians, who have never been part of Rus, the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union before 1939, there are some people who are not hostile to Russia. All large cities in eastern and southern Ukraine were founded by the Russian Empire, populated with citizens from all corners of the Empire (Russians, Malorussians, Belorussians, Jews, Poles, Armenians, Germans, Greeks, etc.) and spoke Russian from the day they were founded.

Posted by: S | Feb 27 2022 15:53 utc | 89

Reply to 72

???? I don't understand your response. The digital money threat to US sanctions is widely feared as discussed in the Senate recently and brought up by Forbes magazine.

Once fully established, transaction costs and speed will improve but for the sanctions regime, that doesn't matter. China isn't establishing digital yuan expecting that it will cost more or be more inconvenient. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 27 2022 15:55 utc | 90

@AnalyticMind | Feb 27 2022 15:45 utc | 81

Wise words. Thanks!

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2022 15:55 utc | 91

Piotr Berman (82)

I am Scottish, but never British, many Scots see Whitehall and Westminster as the enemy of Scotland, MI5 keeps a close watch on Scotland.

Ben Wallace doesn't represent my point of view, nor does he represent many other Scots point of view, England controls the British army in which Scots, Irish, Welsh and English people serve in, only the dissolution of the forced 1707 union will see Scots men and women stop enlisting in what is effectively an English controlled military.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 15:56 utc | 92

re "Russian deterrent forces...on highest alert"-- this is getting more Cuban Missile Crisis by the day.I trust the Russians to be pretty rational but I don't have the same trust in the maniacs that run NATO and the U.S.--and in the fog of war anybody can fuck up. interesting times.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 27 2022 15:56 utc | 93

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 27 2022 15:45 utc | 80


Still wondering whether or not the Ukrainian people will support, or not support, a more Russian friendly Govt.

For the most part, no, not in Ukraine "proper".

The best Putin can hope for is a gaggle of states broken out of the old Ukraine, split along ethnic lines where:

1. The areas with the strongest anti-russian sentiment are under their preferred leadership, but neutralised (landlocked or tiny).
2. Pro-Russian areas are democratic and solidly within Russian or Belarussian sphere of influence.
3. Neutral areas with no real geopolitical power and heavy dependence on Pro-Russian regions.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2022 15:57 utc | 94

An excellent update by the Duran, covering the sanctions against the Russian central bank. I am even more sanguine than they are, as Russia has become heavily autarkic (self sufficient in food now, in addition to natural resources and many other technologies). An attack of the ruble will fail to create high inflation in Russia, and the West cannot do without Russian and Ukrainian exports. Its like the "maximum pressure" campaign against Iran, but this failure is on a much bigger scale and much more publicized. In addition, the vast majority of Russian central bank assets are not under the control of the West, neither in US$.

The Western actions will also make every country in the world question their reliance on SWIFT and the US$, causing a speeded up move to domestic currency to domestic currency payments and alternative payment systems. In addition, the economic fallout for the West will be significant. The neocons do seem to be desperate to try anything, even when advised not to by the Fed and the bankers! The failed last stand of the neocons before the elites toss them to the side perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbgjjEnbKc

Posted by: Roger | Feb 27 2022 15:58 utc | 95

Larry Paul Johnson | Feb 27 2022 15:11 utc | 55
"Biden and the West have also promised more weapons for the Ukies. I wonder how they can manage to ship them into that country based on Russia having the place locked down."

The weapons were already stashed in Ukraine!

Posted by: nudge | Feb 27 2022 16:02 utc | 96

For Norwegian.

Zelensky invites foreigners to fight for Ukraine, looks like Ukraine will be filled with all the West's mad dog terrorists from Libya to Syria and beyond.

https://www.rt.com/russia/550755-zelensky-invites-foreigners-fight/

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has announced the creation of the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine, which will enlist foreigners who want to fight for the country against Russia.

On Sunday, Zelensky addressed the citizens of foreign countries, saying Russia’s offensive is not just an invasion of Ukraine, but the “beginning of a war against Europe.”
Therefore, he said that anyone who wants to join the fight and “stand side by side” with Ukrainians was welcome to do so.

“The leadership of Ukraine invites all foreigners who wish to join the resistance to the Russian occupiers and to protect world security to come to our state and to join the ranks of the Territorial Defense Forces. A separate unit of foreigners is being formed – the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine,” he said.

More EU nations to provide weapons to UkraineREAD MORE: More EU nations to provide weapons to Ukraine
Joining would be “key evidence” of support for Ukraine, he added.

Since Russia launched its offensive, NATO member states have promised to supply weapons to Ukraine. However, the bloc announced that it has no plans to send troops – leading Zelensky to claim that Ukraine was left to defend itself “alone.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin explained the launch of the military operation by the urgent necessity to “demilitarize Ukraine,” to protect the republics of Donbass and to ensure that Russia would not be placed under threat by NATO from Ukrainian territory. The West has responded to the offensive by imposing tough new sanctions on Russia.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2022 16:02 utc | 97

The most disturbing video I've seen is from a car camera on a road out of Mariopol. The people are trying to get out of Maripol at night. The car in front of the camera is stopped at a Ukrainian forces checkpoint. The driver (man) is pulled out of the car, thrown to the ground and shot. The passenger (woman) is taken out of the car, screaming, and is taken off camera.

The driver of the second car realizes that he is next and speeds around the soldiers and their vehicles while the Ukies are firing at him. Absolutely chilling!

Scott Ritter reported that after the small arms were freely distributed to citizens in Kiev, that evening there were running gun battles in Kiev. (Note: the Russians had not entered Kiev). Sixty-four people were killed that night and none by Russians.

I have also seen vids from Kiev of individual units of Ukie armor and trucks (presumed to be defectors running from the lines) that were attacked by gunmen not in uniform.

These are the pathological criminals that the West is threatening a nuclear holocaust to protect.


Posted by: naiverealist | Feb 27 2022 16:04 utc | 98

Excellent comments here today. Arch Bungle...consistently wow...S, Stonebird, Merandor, Eighthman all really good.

*************
Scott Ritter stated (I'm paraphrasing from memory)...that the Russian military is operating with one hand tied behind its back and not to its ultimate capacity..., because they want to avoid the least number of civilian casualties.

I don't want to appear like a concerned armchair general, but my frustration is reaching boil. I just read the latest today; that Ukie prosecutors have released prisoners, and more specifically war criminals from prison to join the effort, and this on top of indiscriminately arming the civilian population everywhere and in Kiev.

So, I know the Ukies are blaming Russians for every mishap (like the missile that went awry and hit an appartment building, apparently killing 2 people, with the Russians rightly stating it was Ukie anti-aircraft projectile), but lies will continue and shet will always happen that Russia will be blamed for.

Regardless, it's time to fight with both hands and go into full combat mode with enhanced rules of engagement.

Armed civilians are a civilian army! Never mind civilian; they are armed and dangerous and infiltrated with criminals and criminal gangs.

The Russian military must with leaflets, megaphones, whatever, advise unarmed civilians, women and the elderly to clear out of the cities, because the fighting will intensify and they will be seriously injured or killed.

At the same time communications systems should be shut down so civilians understand it's getting serious for them and they should leave.

The full strength of the Russian military must come to bear on Ukraine for this to succeed, and I don't mean troop numbers necessarily, as this war could escalate later. I mean rules of engagement, fire and airpower.

Also, Russian analysts and experts should take to alternative media and media in neutral countries to counter the massive Western propaganda onslaught and one-sided perspective on display right now. It's so sickening, repulsive and offensive to normal intelligence that I hardly turn on my t.v. now, only rarely to see what they are up to.

It's time to fight back hard on the airwaves and on the web.

There is an army of USNATO deception and overdrive spin out there that needs to be KO'd!

Full combat on the ground, in the air, on the airwaves and the Web is de rigueur now. I mean this is actually proxy WAR with the behemoth USNATO, damnit!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 27 2022 16:04 utc | 99

The 'West' needs a bit of sobering up...
Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 27 2022 15:39 utc | 74

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What the 'West' needs is beyond the real of sobering up.

The comments made in the press and social media are so out of touch with the reality that the majority of the world experiences it is very hard to see how the commenters could ever adjust to losing their position as the underclasses' masters. They are even unaware of how their opinions advertise their privilege.

Comprehensive Humiliation is what the 'West' needs.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2022 16:04 utc | 100

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