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February 25, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 2

The Russian operations in the Ukraine continue at a moderate pace. Some more troops were committed today. In all the Russian military may have now introduced some 20-40% of its prepared forces.

The Ukrainian military is not so much holding a line but concentrating in and around its bigger cities. It has destroyed some bridges north of Kiev to make an approach more difficult. That will slow down the Russian moves but will not prevent them. Russia's military is famously good at setting up combat bridges.

So far the Russians have used their artillery sparsely. An exception was last night near Kharkiv in the northeast of Ukraine where a strike by multiple launcher artillery systems (MLRS) hit some area target with yet unknown results.

A 13 minutes long video from a highway drive near Kherson, a city north of Crimea, shows nearly 100 destroyed Ukrainian trucks and tanks. These are likely victims of air attacks.

If this map from a Turkish think tank source is correct the Russian troops did not attempt much deeper strikes today but mostly consolidated their frontline.


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This map from Janes shows less progress. But it also has not marked the Donbas area in the southeast which is held by pro-Russian forces.



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Russia's President has called on the Ukrainian military to overthrow its government. I do not think he believes that will happen but it is a possibility so why not call for it.

Facebook now allows to praise Ukrainian Nazi groups like the Azov battalion. This was prohibited with Azov previously being in the same category as ISIS. Now these are 'our guys'.

There are a lot of discussions of sanctions against Russia and every western country is trying to get as much exemptions for its industries as possible . The U.S. has for example exempted everything that has to do with hydrocarbons from its own sanction package. It will still buy Russian oil and will continue to sell drilling equipment to Russia.

The EU countries are still negotiating with themselves. They should be careful with what they do.

Britain has had the stupidity of sanctioning the Russian air carrier Aeroflot. In a counter move Russia prohibited British Airways from flying over Russian territory. Normally all flights from Britain to the Far East cross Russian airspace. These will now have to be redirected to other routes which will significantly increase their flight time and fuel burn.

Russia has threatened 'inconvenient' counter-sanctions to those who sanction it. Overflight rights are only one of the tools it can use.

NATO has said it will continue to deliver weapons, including air defenses, to the Ukraine. NATO does not have any weapons but some NATO countries seem to strive for a larger war. The U.S. seem willing to sacrifice the Ukraine to create a quagmire for Russia.

Syria was also supposed to become a quagmire for Russia when Russia came to its help. It didn't turn out that way.

Comments

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 25 2022 21:58 utc | 83
Oh Oriental Voice, sweet cakes…you obviously can’t understand when someone injects their humanity about a situation that could quite easily turn tragically ugly.
It is an invasion (masterfully executed), but with dubiously defined goals. For one thing, let’s hope the management in Russia understands how chasing after the Neo-Nazis could easily turn into the same kind of b.s. the Americans claimed in hunting down Al Qaeda in Afganistan and Iraq, which turned into something prolonged and utterly stupid.
For the record, I bought the spinning of all of this right on up to the invasion. I thought (and a lot of others did too, including our hosting bartender) that this would have solved itself with Putin’s ostensibly principled position and stalwart brinkmanship. Wrong I was. So what? Let’s see how this plays out now for the Russians now that the landscape has shifted. Extricating oneself ain’t as easy as sticking your johnnie into a muck expecting to get out unscathed…but, as I said, maybe the Russians have studiously analyzed our recent history. Time will tell. But war has a way at scuttling all well-laid plans.
But one thing is for sure — a lot of people are and will continue to paint the Ukranians as *a whole* as a bunch of Nazis when that is obviously not the case. Why, if I were to apply the same logic, I would have concluded that America are all a bunch of meatheaded crypto-confederate morons during the Trump regime.
The hegemon may have been beaten back (which I think will be the case). Whether it spreads into the rest of European NATO (precipitating its dissolution) remains to be seen. If the aim is to weaken NATO, what happens next becomes critical. This is where propaganda kicks in –in 7 directions from sunday — and thus, we have entered the next phase of the war.
Just saying. I certainly hope(d) that Putin and his backers were/are the vanguard of a more sensible and humanistic political future for Europe…but that now remains to be seen.

Posted by: Norogene | Feb 26 2022 4:32 utc | 201

Regarding the possibility of the Ukrainians resorting to urban warfare, they’re going to come up against those Chechen, Dagestani and Ingush battalions who are past masters of this art.
The Russian experience in dealing with urban warfare in Chechnya will also put them at an advantage.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 4:39 utc | 202

@AnalyticMind #182
International law covers nations; NATO is not a nation.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 26 2022 4:39 utc | 203

I sure am reading a lot of Goldilock barflies that posit that the Russian response is too hot or too cold but not just right.
It seems to me we don’t have a clue what all needed to take place or has. Take the bio-weapons labs for example. How many are there? What are their locations, potential hazard rating work and plans to take them over?
The same applies to all the nukes around the area.
The above also speaks to why Russia might have decided they need to cover the whole country because they want to secure/protect the hazardous infrastructure until some political stability has been returned. It also hints at early and late priorities for military focus.
I wrote it yesterday and will posit again that Z capitulation will occur in 24 – 48 hours and the first 24 have evidently passed…..we will see what the next 24 hours bring.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26 2022 4:55 utc | 204

Why did the circle around Putin go for the sledgehammer and not the scalpel?
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 26 2022 2:10 utc | 164

What makes you believe it was the circle and not Putin himself?
The more time you give the enemy to advance, the greater the risk to yourself; just like cancer.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 4:55 utc | 205

If the Law is not for everyone (even those who belong to the USNATO club), then it is for no one, and this is why we are here on the brink, where no one wants to be!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 5:02 utc | 206

Russia has all the cards here. The US made the foolish decision to no be an importer of Russian oil to placate their green woke nonsense so there will be no oil embargo. Russia warned for years they weren’t going to accept NATO next door from St. petersburg. Once they kept getting sanctioned and blown off for security guarantees, the West left them no choice here but to dismantle the Ukraine. At this point I can’t see this lasting another week Russia has barely committed any of its forces and is already in the process of encircling Kyiv

Posted by: Danny | Feb 26 2022 5:05 utc | 207

@ karlof1 125
Hear, Hear!
Eloquently and perfectly stated.
The media is not our friend.
The US propaganda is incessant,
The western Neo liberal movement has supported Nazis and
Horrific crimes against humanity across the globe.
Well said, karlof1

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 26 2022 5:09 utc | 208

@karlof1 125
I forwarded your link to many
Thank you

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Feb 26 2022 5:21 utc | 209

from State…

The United States is inflicting unprecedented costs on President Putin and those around him for their brutal and unprovoked assault on the people of Ukraine. We are united with our allies and partners in our commitment to ensure the Russian government pays a severe economic and diplomatic price for its further invasion of Ukraine, a sovereign and democratic state.
In coordination with allies and partners, we are imposing sanctions on President Putin and three members of Russia’s Security Council directly responsible for the further invasion of Ukraine: Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov, Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, and First Deputy Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Valery Gerasimov.
President Putin rejected the good faith efforts of the United States and our allies and partners to address our mutual security concerns through dialogue and to avoid needless conflict and human suffering.
In response to this aggression, the Department of the Treasury has designated Russian President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov. In a corresponding action, the Department of State has designated Shoigu and Gerasimov pursuant to E.O. 14024 Section 1(a)(i) because these individuals have been determined to operate or have operated in the defense and related materiel sector of the Russian economy. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 26 2022 5:33 utc | 210

Patroklos | Feb 26 2022 3:17 utc | 185

But also let me restate my last point more straightforwardly:
* The insignia of the Azov Battalion is the Wolfsangel, Black Sun and (significantly smaller) the Ukrainian trident:
* The insignia of 2nd Waffen-SS Division “Das Reich” was the Wolfsangel

Curiously, the various links to Wikipedia and Wikicomons seem to have vanished. All you get is a page saying
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name
or
No file by this name exists.
Yet the pages can easily be found on the Wayback Machine archive.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 26 2022 5:35 utc | 211

a pretty ferocious editorial in the Chinese Global Times.
for a taste, some keywords:
strategic selfishness, arrogant American Elites, no consideration for the suffering, abandoning Ukraine, provoked the war, hypocrisy, pushed Ukraine into the fire, shortsightedness, inciting conflicts, talks about justice and morality, fuels the flames everywhere,
…..under the guise of “humanitarianism.” etc, etc, etc
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1253228.shtml
“…As for Ukraine, which Washington uses as a pawn, in addition to reiterating that the US wouldn’t send troops there, Washington only simply said it “will support the Ukrainian people as they defend their country,” and “will provide humanitarian relief to ease their suffering.” Washington has once again displayed its selfishness and hypocrisy to the world. People have seen that after the US pushed Ukraine into the fire, it stood aside, pretending to care about the country and saying “I support you, keep fighting!…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 26 2022 5:40 utc | 212

Why did the circle around Putin go for the sledgehammer and not the scalpel?
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 26 2022 2:10 utc | 164
What makes you believe it was the circle and not Putin himself?
Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 4:55 utc | 204
Circe, here’s my answer to your question, my post of the other day:
The transcript of the Security Council Meeting prior to Putin’s speech. Here’s the last paragraph of his opening statement:
“Therefore, I propose the following procedure for our work: first, I would like to give the floor to Sergei Viktorovich Lavrov, who is working precisely in the area of attempts to agree with Washington and Brussels, with NATO on security guarantees, and then I will ask Dmitry Nikolayevich Kozak to make a report on his assessments of what is happening on the negotiation track on the implementation of the Minsk agreements, then I will give the floor to each of you. But in the end, you and I must decide what we will do next and how we should act, based on the situation that is developing today, and based on our assessments of its development.”
Good evidence right there against anyone claiming Putin is a dictator!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2022 5:44 utc | 302
People who have not read and studied that meeting and read Putin’s two recent speeches should do that before going on and on about things.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 26 2022 5:45 utc | 213

@212 waynorinorway
I know Putin gave diplomacy every opportunity. I’m not sure you understood my comment. What I meant is that Putin is doing what is necessary now and nobody needs to tell him what that is, although I imagine he consults with an inner circle. After reading his speech at the start of the operation, I have no doubt this was his decision; albeit measured and planned and that it is the right decision. That’s what I meant.
You haven’t read my other comments. If you do; you will see we are on the same side on this.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 6:03 utc | 214

@164 Arne Hartmann | Feb 26 2022 2:10 utc – “Why did the circle around Putin go for the sledgehammer and not the scalpel?”
@180 Don Bacon | Feb 26 2022 3:05 utc
It doesn’t look like the sledgehammer to me. It looks like the scalpel. As the Saker explained in his latest report, there are many ways that Russia could destroy entire cities, and there is even a tried protocol from earlier wars for doing this.
But Russia instead is taking maximum care not to harm civilians, and to keep the non-nazi military force of Ukraine alive (disarmed, for now, but alive). She is encircling cities and suing for surrender. This is the policy with all of Ukraine. If enough of the nationalists (“nats”) can be subdued, Zelensky becomes free to represent his nation and negotiate peace with Russia.
With Ukraine pacified from being a threat, the internal work of rooting out the nats and neutralizing them can be carried out by the Ukrainians themselves – who better, in fact, for such a task? As Don Bacon explained, the nats are embedded throughout the country, and they very, very deliberately place themselves behind civilians.
Russia wants Ukraine to finish the task of de-nazification. Russia doesn’t want to occupy or stay long in Ukraine. The first task is to destroy the infrastructure of aggressive threat. That’s the hammer, and carefully placed, and still in progress.
Russian soldiers are at this moment giving their lives in battle with Ukrainian forces that could have been destroyed by the vast arsenal of standoff weapons that Russia could deploy remotely – but civilians would die. So instead, human soldiers will do that work, carefully and at great risk.
The second, and harder, task is to take out the nats. This is the scalpel work, and it won’t be easy. The nazis of Ukraine will do everything to destroy all that is good or could be good as they are hunted. This is how they have always fought, and are now – firing rockets from civilian centers in the attempt to draw return fire that would massacre civilians.
These are the people who must be removed from this society, or at least neutralized as a threat. These are the cancer in possession of Ukraine. They are kin with some North American forces in certain ways, and they are supported, encouraged, sheltered and legitimized by the US and Canada.
With the Russian hammer held over the head of Ukraine – but not crushing civilians, or the uniformed forces sworn only to protect those civilians – Russia strives to reach a peace accord with Ukraine. Zelensky will do it the moment the nazi hand is taken from his throat.
And then, together, in cooperation (as is already happening with the forces of both countries guarding Chernobyl), both countries will apply the scalpel until the body is saved.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 26 2022 6:07 utc | 215

@210 Kukulkan | Feb 26 2022 5:35 utc
it’s a URL typo, as Patroklos later explained. Remove the slash / from the end of each URL and they work.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 26 2022 6:17 utc | 216

@ lulu 129
Thank you for the pozny link
I watched it and forwarded to many
Thank you all for the excellent and relevant links
I am learning a lot

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Feb 26 2022 6:42 utc | 217

@ Don Bacon 209
“President Putin rejected the good faith efforts of the United States and our allies and partners to address our mutual security concerns through dialogue and to avoid needless conflict and human suffering.”
Ha! Empire of lies, indeed.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Feb 26 2022 6:44 utc | 218

Greenwald
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHo6JXxcQM

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 26 2022 7:08 utc | 219

Why did the circle around Putin go for the sledgehammer and not the scalpel?
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 26 2022 2:10 utc | 164
What makes you believe it was the circle and not Putin himself?
Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 4:55 utc | 204
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I would make a different analogy. Typically, a toothache can be relieved with cleaning and cleaning a cavity, but sometimes a tooth extraction is necessary, even though the aftermath is more troublesome. To make a proper decision, you need information, typically, tooth X-ray. Without that information and professional analysis, you would always recommend a filling because usually it is a better choice.
At other times you need to remove the root of the problem, in my analogy, the root of the tooth in question. Again, you need X-rays and expert interpretation. In short, more expensive and painful solutions may be better. To us non-dentists, a key problem remains: how to tell a dishonest dentist (or a head of state) who chooses a solution based on personal profit, higher fees for a root canal job, than on the welfare of the patient. Do we have any way to figure that out, not knowing the X-rays and/or not being able to analyze them?
Actually, there is a way. I would not trust a dentist who recommends expensive solutions much more frequently than others. In those terms, NATO swings sledgehammer with abandon, while Putin was remarkably patient, and has a track record of using scalpel, and performing necessary follow up to sledgehammer jobs.
Example 1: sledgehammer job in Chechnya was followed by betting on an effective local leader (you may scoff, but look at leader found by the collective West for Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq) and throwing enough money, and with sufficient effectiveness, on ruined autonomous republic that now it is actually in good shape and the majority of folks are satisfied.
Example 2: war with Georgia. Comparatively it was a scalpel job.
Examples in Central Asia. Civil war in Tadjikistan, color revolutions in Kyrgyzstan, recent disturbances in Kazakhstan, all scalpel jobs with quite stable outcomes (in Kyrgyzstan, there was a counter-color revolution, or color counter-revolution, Putin learns from examples).
Example 4: Syria. Putin started the intervention when the territory controlled by the government was like a narrow slice of Swiss cheese, full of holes full of the “moderate opposition” and a wide swath controlled by ISIS. It is amazing how much was achieved if you compare the challenges to outcomes and resources expended by Russia. A scalpel job of enormous complexity, without any parallels among NATO engagements. One can criticize stinginess of Russia, Syria is still a basket case, but after all, Russia has a relatively small economy and is forced to eschew foreign credits, so here one may blame China that could be more generous on economic front. Similarly, one can criticize Russia for not doing enough to defend Syria from aerial depredations by Israel, but sledgehammer approach it is not.
In short, Putin has a track record of adapting the policy to conditions without repeating the same approach mechanically. Even now, there are two surprises. First, the action is much larger than we expected. Second, the action is more gradual than we expected, and it has several subtle elements that look reasonable in retrospect, and make me optimistic that the final outcome will be OK.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 26 2022 7:19 utc | 220

Posted by: Norogene | Feb 26 2022 4:32 utc | 200:
I have no intention to debate you on the rights or wrongs of this military technical action taken by Russia. You said you felt uncomfortable about barflies here cheering on an “invasion”, I suggested the idea that perhaps they are not cheering the “invasion” per se. Many here, me for one for sure, are happy, and thus cheering, to see the ugly hegemon’s strategic opponent exposing the hegemon being the chicken babbler that they are, all mouth and can’t do nothing type, when the real action is on. In case you’re not sure who the hegemon I’m referring to, it’s the chicken babblers to the west of Ukraine, some even all the way across the Atlantic. This military technical measure being taken by Russia has demonstrated that these chicken babblers are so scared they don’t even want to come near the action to provide advice or intelligence to the ones whom they said they would standby and protect. These chicken babblers are so chicken that they don’t even dare to touch Russia’s asset elsewhere near their own turf. All they dare to do is to egg on the Ukrainians to shed blood and give Russia as bad a name as they can muster.
When I saw that the chicken babbler hid their heads in their turtle shells and mumble some junky jumbo, I know the world saw through these chicken babblers souls. Therefore I came to this bar to cheer this exposure of chicken feat. And I suspect a lot of the cheering done here were for the same reason.
Some 20+years ago a country called Iraq invaded another country called Kuwait. The chicken babblers I’m talking about did something quite different then. They pounded their chests and marched onto Iraq and beat the shit out of whom they called ragheads. Oh, they were brave, they were gallant, they were even purportedly ‘righteous’. What happened this time? How come their heads are in their shells? Why wouldn’t they set things right and come reverse this ‘injustice’ that you called an invasion? May be, instead of teaching me what is right and what is wrong, you can spare a little wisdom and teach me why they wouldn’t swing their sword of justice this time.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 26 2022 7:34 utc | 221

Telegram seems to be offering the most up to date info out there, but to see it properly, on pc or mobile, you need to give your phone number to a social media platform. That is something that I will NEVER do.
Does anyone know a way around this? Preferably for PC.
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 26 2022 7:34 utc | 222

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 26 2022 7:19 utc | 219
you seem to express opinion, about anything except your lousy country, talking about Mali and fabled Timbuktu after these Badera gangs committed horrendous atrocities against Poles! Like VK, expressed opinion about all and sundry except Brazil! The Polish psychos been fuelling all this shit from day one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIQ2S2jcboY

Posted by: Grishka | Feb 26 2022 7:35 utc | 223

Don Bacon #198

MKB goes hard on Germany:
Germany Can No Longer Be Put Down

Looks like the pigeonSS are coming home to roost after having cookooed the USA nest back in 1945 and then the Ukraine nest in 2014.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/02/23/germany-can-no-longer-be-put-down/
I am looking forward to Germany being asked to examine Zakharova’s evidence.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Saturday, “My message to counterparts at the German Foreign Ministry is this: In connection with statements by Chancellor Scholz, we will present evidence concerning mass graves in this region for the German leadership to study closely.”

May Russia’s denazification project have every success.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 26 2022 7:39 utc | 224

What’s NATO’s next move?
I predict the following:
– They will make, or at least begin the process of making, Sweden, Norway and Finland NATO members.
– Russia will state that any NATO hardware place on these territories will be struck without warning.
– and orient it’s missile systems accordingly
– leading to another two decades of frozen tensions between these countries and Russia.
Like it or not, it looks like Putin has breathed new life into NATO …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 7:47 utc | 225

I have no doubt this was his decision; albeit measured and planned and that it is the right decision. That’s what I meant.
You haven’t read my other comments. If you do; you will see we are on the same side on this.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 6:03 utc | 213
OK, fair ’nuff. But the point remains that he does seek consensus. Sure, he prolly made the final call, that’s his job.
(That contrasts with Bush Jr. and this Biden guy who combined have nowhere near the intellectual strength of Vladimir Vladimirovich.)
No, I haven’t read all the comments. Traffic is a bit heavy and my morning cuppa only gets me part way down the threads.
Glad we agree otherwise.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 26 2022 7:49 utc | 226

This war is clearly fake (a whole country bristling with modern weaponry ‘invaded’ from all sides with the cost of 150 lives…I mean…come on guys…) and is obviously a continuation of the fake and failing covid scam narrative by other means. BUT…it is till a high risk gamble because what if it spins out of control (the best laid plans of men and mice and all that) and we end up in a real WW3 situation: what would a nuclear war really look like?
“Within the first 3 minutes of a nuclear conflict, 2600 ‘high alert’ nuclear weapons are launched. They hit targets in Russia, the US and Europe. They target cities, nuclear power stations, industrial areas, oil refineries, transport hubs. In the following hours up to a further 7600 nuclear weapons are launched.
By the end of the day 600 million people are dead. They are the lucky ones…”
https://richardhennerley.wordpress.com/2022/02/12/what-would-world-war-3-look-like/

Posted by: Richard | Feb 26 2022 7:54 utc | 227

Scalpel approach or a sledgehammer …
It is never a clear cut decision on costs in lives versus effectiveness. Over the last 12 months, the Ukrainian government with the White House moved to needle far to the right and high alert. Even as Putin/Lavrov set the stage for fundamental negotiations and diplomacy, the response was zill, nada, nothing. The lauding of Zelensky in Munich and louder chatter to revive Ukraine’s position as nuclear power, sealed the fate of the Kyiv governing cabal and the Lvov neonazi’s.
One could see the anguish by Putin as the moment for a decision approached … he did not want to fight his own people across the border. As a nationalist leader he relates to the historic unity which may have shaped his final decision.
I analyze from afar, the Russian battle lines may have been stretched too far … the eastern front from Kharkiv into the Donbas and the whole southern sea border was expected … to combine this with Kyiv from the start may have been a bridge too far. A civilian metropolis of that size cannot be subdued without extreme manpower and loss of live.
Russia has the air superiority, they could smoke out the defensive forces into the open around the city of Kyiv while first securing military beachheads elsewhere. That has surprised me, one does not want another siege similar to Grozny.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 26 2022 8:10 utc | 228

Posted by: Richard | Feb 26 2022 7:54 utc | 226

This war is clearly fake (a whole country bristling with modern weaponry ‘invaded’ from all sides with the cost of 150 lives.

Well, the president is an actor. You might be right …
In which case, just kick back and enjoy the show.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 8:10 utc | 229

@Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 7:47 utc | 224
You do remember of course, that your Sweden, Norway and Finland were VERY cozzy with the German Nazi regime in WW2?
Nato is in its last death-throw spasims.
With a usd$ Depression on the horizon, no amount of $Fed printing is going to save the day for the Nato military-industrial-complex scam.
From what I can see in the USA domestics, Trump 2.0 is on the way back — probably no better and maybe even worse — but he sure will not be paying real usd$ taxpayer (not the Fed $cam) funds for EU poodle paranoia. The Nato gravy train is about off the broken bridge and midway to the canyon floor.
The thundering silence out of Berlin suggests their “sneaky male” stealth stragtegy hiding behind the EU, Euro, and Nato etc is being unmasked. Wasn’t two world wars in the 20th century enough for these people?
Wouldn’t peace with the Slav civilization (Scott Ritter) be a less expensive option? Of course, but that is not the point, is it?
Let’s wait for the Ukraine dust to settle and then see where the cards are on the table. Nato only has one option/function (apart from channeling usd$) — fight Russia in a WW3 context (with China & Iran at their back); or move the junk (& Rainbow gender-blender knicker squads) back to the Russian Red-Lines like they were ordered to do in Dec 2021.
End of story, or it will be the end of their post-20th century story. You don’t need a PhD in “tea-leaves” to read this one!

Posted by: imo | Feb 26 2022 8:19 utc | 230

wich side are WE on?
Thanks to Norwegian, Piotr Berman, Psychohistorian, Grieved, Karlov1 & al.
Russia, with Putin, Choigou and Lavrov, to mention only the tip of the iceberg, has been preparing for confrontation for more than 20 years, after having had to witness the aggression in Yugoslavia without being able to act.
It has rebuilt its confidence, its economy, its agriculture, its capacity for autonomy and deployment.
They have trained and tested everything, in Syria and again very recently in Kazakhstan.
They are at least 10 scenarios ahead.
The last 3 months, the big maneuvers were the last verification, including the one of the nuclear armament.
Europe is responsible, Vladimir Putin had warned.
Europe is responsible and should have understood when Lavrov changed his vocabulary and attitude.
Europe is responsible for having spent the last 5 years demonizing Trump and Putin, for having participated in the establishment of the “Biden” regime, for having embarked its rabble on the Covid cruise by choosing Fauci as captain.
The European Union is responsible, and especially that idiot Scholz, that arrogant kid Macron, the bureaucratic troika V. d. Leyen/Michels/Borrel, who thought they were at the debutante ball organized by NATO with the poor conductor Stolenberg…. when they were dancing too close to the volcano.
So like on the Titanic, the orchestra continues to play us some music.
BUT the water will be cold…
https://youtu.be/ItjXTieWKyI

Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 26 2022 8:22 utc | 231

Richard | Feb 26 2022 7:54 utc | 226
Scaremongering won’t get you anywhere … I lived through the Cuban missile crisis as a young adult. I listened to the rhetoric of the Pentagon, White House and debates in the UN Security Council. I saw the six B-52s with atomic weapons start ready at Lambert St. Louis civilian airport. Leaders are less rational now than in that era, yet just as many military errors were made.
Europe is placed on the sacrificial block of slaughter by the US military command of NATO. The worst commander was Gen. Breedlove who crossed all diplomatic lines. The war hawks in the Atlantic Council set the stage for an open conflict of war with Russia. Biden didn’t invent the term “pariah” as reference to President Putin and Russia. That was former US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder in 2007.
‘We’ll make Russia a pariah state.” A few years later seconded by John Kerry. Today we have reached the stage in extremis and the years of propaganda and Russophobia has poisoned the minds of a vast majority in the West.
In the year 2008 of the NATO Summit in Bucharest, one could read that we are missing a debate on our future relationship with Russia. That debate never happened and won’t take place today. A faint hope a week ago when Macron stated Russia is part of Europe and we need Russia for Europe’s security.
Warmongering and fear has a detrimental effect on the ratio. In my life I refused to let fear shape my decisions.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 26 2022 8:32 utc | 232

Why is Putin doing this? He doesn’t need this monumental headache, or to be demonized by half the planet or more. He has everything he needs to drop this albatross, this Herculean task immediately, and retire in absolute comfort and luxury. Is he a monster for not succumbing to the will of the Empire? Just today on CNN, Blitzer and some talking head expert were equating Putin with the great grandfather of the Ukronazis, Hitl…you know who. Some fp experts are even speculating he’s lost his mind, because who would be crazy enough to take on the Empire, right? For God’s sake, Alexander took over countries and people died and everyone still thinks he’s Great! I had to mute the volume; it was that sickening and hypocritical considering the endless crimes of the Empire and millions of lives destroyed.
You know, I actually regret underestimating Putin in the past, and I’m ready to forgive his act with MBS and Netanyahoo. I get it: you can shake hands for a rainy day gain, and still think in private: I can’t stand this S.o.B.
Well now I’m gobsmacked. He was actually saving it all for this moment, because THIS is the worthy battle of his life no matter what happens. I’ve never seen such audacity and someone who loves his country and his people this much.

So why doesn’t everyone, just shut up and stop and think why the hell is Putin risking everything and I mean ALL: life, treasure and country at this moment?
Could it be, could it just be damnit that he’s doing this because he really believes that much it’s for the greater good.
Damn, what am I doing in a society that is so ignorant and blind!
This is meant to be, world; this is big, it’s destiny, fate, whatever is beyond our conception of reality at play. Putin is taking on the Empire not because he’s crazy, psychotic or suicidal, but because this is right, and expect pain, there will be pain, maybe lots of pain; because I suspect we are witnessing the birth of a new era.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 8:33 utc | 233

You do remember of course, that your Sweden, Norway and Finland were VERY cozzy with the German Nazi regime in WW2?
Posted by: imo | Feb 26 2022 8:19 utc | 229
Screw you imo! If you call the f-ing Nazi occupation of Norway cozzy, may the bird of paradise fly right up your ass. Jerk!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 26 2022 8:35 utc | 234

Reading your post, I follow your sentiment and agree …
“I suspect we are witnessing the birth of a new era.”
Symbolic I saw Phoenix rising from the ashes … in all honesty I believe the ashes to be figuratively. 🙏🏽 ☮️

Posted by: Oui | Feb 26 2022 8:42 utc | 235

Some 20+years ago a country called Iraq invaded another country called Kuwait. The chicken babblers I’m talking about did something quite different then. They pounded their chests and marched onto Iraq and beat the shit out of whom they called ragheads. Oh, they were brave, they were gallant, they were even purportedly ‘righteous’.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 26 2022 7:34 utc | 220

As the Iraqi army were retreating, on their way back to Baghdad – and already within Iraqi territory, the USA bombed the leading vehicles and the last vehicles so that the entire convoy was trapped and unable to escape. The entire convoy and every single retreating combattant was then mercilessly straffed, bombed and incinerated using depleted uranium weapons that on impact burnt with temperatures of over 1000 degrees centigrade, causing the bodies of the soldiers to carbonise instantly in their frozen postures like the Romans on the volcanic eruption of Vesuvius.
I forget how many human beings were genocided in that act, in the couse of 3 hours or so – was it 80,000?
By contrast, in Ukraine the Russians texted soldiers in advance of the attack to put down their weapons and go home safely. After the attack started they created humanitarian corridors by which soldiers could leave and go home. Soldiers (other than known war criminals) surrendering were allowed to sign a piece of paper and go home. Russian forces were ordered to treat all prisoners of war with respect, even suspected war criminals.
Could the difference between the two cases be more extreme?

Posted by: BM | Feb 26 2022 8:42 utc | 236

@214 Grieved.
Yes. This is the scalpel.
What we’re seeing is the enforced disarmament of an entire country. What’s effectively many different encirclement operations being carried out simultaneously across the map.
You could tell something was slightly odd at the very beginning of the operation.
Limited missile strikes with Precision weapons used against static infrastructure and air defense.
Within the first few hours we had:
– Command Control infrastructure gone.
– Logistical infrastructure gone.
– Communication infrastructure gone.
– Air defence gone.
Even in cases where a Ukranian troop presence was known, nothing notable was deployed against them.
What we *didn’t have* was bombers. Tactical ballistics. Massed Rocket Artillery or even 152’s. Electronic warfare has been minimal/targeted.
Now what we have is russian troops moving to encircle troop and population centres. They “appear” to only be engaging directly when forced to do so. (and I say appear obviously because information availability is utterly shit.) Essential infrastructure is being secured AND protected.
Civilian communication still seems to be up. Electricity and gas is still on and water still flows.
I suspect part of the reason this whole thing is playing out so strangely is because what we’re watching is a real police action and no one has ever actually seen one before.

Posted by: S.O. | Feb 26 2022 8:42 utc | 237

@ Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 7:47 utc | 224

What’s NATO’s next move?
I predict the following:
– They will make, or at least begin the process of making, Sweden, Norway and Finland NATO members.

Please relate to reality when commenting.
– Norway is a founding member of NATO since 1949 (unfortunately)
– Nato’s General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg is Norwegian (unfortunately)

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 8:55 utc | 238

@Skiffer | Feb 25 2022 22:10 utc | 88

In response to Roger@81,
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Zhirinovsky being described either as an anti-semite nor a darling of the West. Are you sure you don’t mean Navalny?

I think so too. Vladimir Davidovich Zhirinowsky, LDPR head, a practising Jew, is hardly an Antisemite, albeit a staunch nationalist and anticommunist, and trolling with radical proposals in foreign politics.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 26 2022 8:57 utc | 239

@imo | Feb 26 2022 8:19 utc | 229

You do remember of course, that your Sweden, Norway and Finland were VERY cozzy with the German Nazi regime in WW2?

Please relate relate to reality when commenting.
Norway was militarily attacked by the Germans on the night of April 9, 1940. The German warship Blucher was sunk in the Oslo fjord from ancient guns at the Oscarsborg fortification. This gave the government some time to escape north and was later evacuated to London where they stayed throughout the war sending radio messages to the Norwegian people. On the same day (9. April 1940), the Nazi collaborator Vidkun Quisling performed a coup under the umbrella of the German Nazi occupation forces. He committed many atrocities and jailed many, including members of my close family.
1945 Newsreel: Vidkun Quisling is executed

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 9:07 utc | 240

Plenty of Caucaus-Slavic Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish Tribals waging their Centuries-Long Ethnic Wars against European Powers + Russia – through Rentier-Banking and Politicking.
Ukraine being part of the Old Khazari-Ashkenazi-Land and Home of Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribals, who were mostly Converts.
For this Current “Anti-Russia Theater”, we have:
PNAC7 (Khagan the Tribal and Other NeoCon-Zionists)
Wolfowitz the POLish-Murican Jewish Tribal- Author of the “Murica the Only Power in Everything, Everywhere” Doctrine, which is a Blueprint for Jewish-Tribals and their Anglo-Murican ZioMason Friends, to Subjugate the World in every way;
TwinkBlinken the HUNgarian-Murican Jewish-Tribal. Should be Fired;
Sith Lord Soros-Schwartz the HUNgarian-Murican Jewish-Tribal and Family Friend to TwinkBlinken. Financier of ColorRevo Riots+Coups via OpenSocietyNGOs. Is Soros-Schwartz a FreeMason?
Schumer the UKRanian Jewish-Tribal, who Lobbied to protect Hunter+Dad+Vindmann+Burisma;
Nudelman-Khagan (aka wife of PNAC Khagan), who planned the 2014 ColorRevoCoups with Ethnocidal Removal of Russian Navy, Russian Citizens, and Ethnic-Russian Ukrainians in Crimea+Donbass. Should be Fired, captured+tried for War Crimes against Humanity;
Zelensky-Clown the UKRanian Jewish-Tribal, who ran on a PEACE PLATFORM. Refused to “Talk Peace” according to Minsk 1+2, locked up opposing Politicians, shut down Dissenting Media, Ordered the Retaking of the Donbass+Crimea, and just recently hinted of obtaining Nuclear Weapons for themselves (NATO Placement implied here as well). Chernobyl have been Secured, since Russia don’t want the Site to be used as a Resource for Dirty/Fission Nuclear Warheads or to be Detonated as One Massive Dirty/Fission Bomb-Site;
The Maidan-Nazi are doing a good deal of Ethnocidal Removal upon the Donbass; but Khazari-Ashkenazi are in it from the Planning and Execution.
Anyone seen Bounty Rates and/or DeadPool Odds for Zelensky and Nudelman-Khagan? Plenty of Friends of Donbass+Crimea Looking for Payback.
Don’t forget the Tribal Involvement. While they’re Exercising their Influence through Murica+NATO+EU, “Greater ISR” are about to Kick Off Eretz-Yisra’El’s Border Expansion Schemes (I’ve once recommended their buying out the Sinai for themselves and Gaza-WestBank Palis) as their Population begin their 25-Year Doubling Cycles.

Posted by: IronForge | Feb 26 2022 9:15 utc | 241

Most people live their lives to survive and earn a honest buck … foreign policy doesn’t hit home in America. Never is part of a presidential campaign or debate.
An Oral History of the Bush White House | Vanity Fair – Feb. 2009 |
The threat of 9/11 ignored. The threat of Iraq hyped and manipulated. Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib. Hurricane Katrina. The shredding of civil liberties. The rise of Iran. Global warming. Economic disaster. How did one two-term presidency go so wrong? A sweeping draft of history—distilled from scores of interviews—offers fresh insight into the roles of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and other key players.
Georgia at a Boiling Point today …
Citing former US officials & ambassadors, Georgia’s Prime Minister says Russo-Georgian War of 2008 was not inevitable. PM claims UNM wants to repeat provocations & war amid Russia’s attack on Ukraine. [Civil.ge (@CivilGe) February 25, 2022]
The new US sanctions on Putin and Russia also hit the banking system in Georgia …
“I want to state clearly and unambiguously, considering our national interests and interests of the people, Georgia does not plan to participate in the financial and economic sanctions,” PM Irakli Garibashvili said.
Check the Twitter account of @CivilGe of massive street protests to support Ukrainian “unity”.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 26 2022 9:20 utc | 242

NATO Stoltenberg handed President Zelensky a pretty stale playbook yesterday … he should have contacted the former governor of Odessa Saakashvili of lessons not learned …

Remarks by Condoleeza Rice, top U.S. diplomat during Russo-Georgian War of August 2008, with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria:
We tried to head it off starting all the way back in 2007, because we knew that Abkhazia and [South] Ossetia were powder kegs. Whoever decided to put Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia and [South] Ossetia as a part of an OSCE peacekeeping force made a terrible mistake that was not our decision. I tried with Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who at the time was the German Foreign Minister, to have some kind of agreement to bring down temperature.
I remember saying to Saakashvili, the Russians are gonna try to provoke you, don’t let them. And in fact, the Russians provoked them and then the war broke out. When that happens, the United States in a difficult position. We are not in a position to go to war with Russia over Georgia. And so, what we tried to do was to strengthen Georgian forces. They had some forces for instance in Iraq, we brought them back. We actually used some naval exercise in a and around the Black Sea to demonstrate support to Georgians.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 26 2022 9:22 utc | 243

I just heard news I don’t like at all.
Zelensky has been in contact with Naftali Bennett asking Bennett to help broker negotiations between him and Putin in Jerusalem.
Apparently, last year Putin met with Bennett in Sochi and Bennett brought up the issue and Putin dismissed it.
Now, Zelensky is asking the Israelis to speak with Putin about this again, as Zelensky doesn’t want to meet in Minsk because Belarus is too close with Russia and Israel is more neutral.
I don’t know what Putin will do with this, but Israel is the Zionist right arm of the Empire and they are a pretense at neutrality. It’s a joke to think Israel can broker peace when they’re always at war committing crimes! Next, they’ll give Naftali the Nobel Prize…arrgh!
The Rubicon is crossed and Putin cannot capitulate on his demands.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 9:24 utc | 244

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 26 2022 6:07 utc | 214
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 26 2022 7:19 utc | 219
Thanks and top marks to both of you from this snowbound outpost!
Comments from whoever welcome…
‘Whataboutism’ seems to work better for pointing out hypocrisy than it does
for seeking confirmation for your point of view in a debate/discussion.
A lot of people are upset about Russia’s actions. Isn’t the fact that they are not upset
about the atrocities in Yemen for years and years the very definition of hypocrisy?
Or, as YourMom so effectively hammered with the other day, what about the shelling
of LPR and DPR for the past 8 years?
Several people I’ve talked with are uninformed about those two examples. Yet even
though I gave them some info, two are going to a (what I hope will be small) demonstration
against Russia in the town center today. The anti Russia brush has laid down thick layers
of dissonance over the years.
btw, I wonder what the toll is in Yemen* today compared with the toll in Ukraine.
*(counting the hunger and disease stats too there of course, as they are linked over time.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 26 2022 9:32 utc | 245

#34 “Either you are against war or are you are not.”
Where were you during the last 8 years when there was a constant war by nazi Ukraine against Donbass targeting and killing civilians?

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 9:33 utc | 246

Norwegian is correct:
>> – Norway is a founding member of NATO since 1949 (unfortunately)
Like, duh! The Norwegian-Atlantic Treaty Organization wouldn’t exist without it!

Posted by: nom de derriere | Feb 26 2022 9:38 utc | 247

Who are these guys from Eurasia Democracy Initiative?
https://eurasiademocracy.org/
They talk like they want to destroy Putin and Russia and start WWIII?

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2022 9:48 utc | 248

I don’t claim that Ze is a nazi, but anyone claiming that you can’t be a nazi just because you’re a Jew probably needs to read a book or two:
https://bryanmarkrigg.com/book/hitlers-jewish-soldiers/

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 26 2022 9:51 utc | 249

You went from “Russia will never attack Ukraine” to “we never liked Ukraine anyway”. You are so blinded with your hate towards the western world, I would have accused you of being a russian propaganda, but I know it’s not that. It’s something much more pathetic.

Posted by: Krzysztof from Polan | Feb 26 2022 9:55 utc | 250

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 8:55 utc | 237

– Norway is a founding member of NATO

I stand corrected.
Two out of three ain’t bad:
https://youtu.be/Hr7IiL4kQ2Q

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 9:57 utc | 251

@waynorinorway | Feb 26 2022 8:35 utc | 233
Oh, thanks, he just did and whispered “Vidkun Quisling” …
A bit close to home, eh?
If the history cap fits, then wear it.
Your emotive reaction is a case in point for the rise of reactionary facism at the moment theory. Well done!

Posted by: imo | Feb 26 2022 10:16 utc | 252

The journalist Johanna Ross (@shottlandka on Twitter) complained only a few days ago that she and her daughter were stopped at the airport after returning to Scotland and their phones taken from them because she wrote for a Russian outlet. By a totally remarkable coincidence she then suddenly turned anti Russia overnight in the last two days, and is trying hard to justify her 180° change of stance. It’s more than obvious that she got a nice little call from MI6.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 26 2022 10:16 utc | 253

Western media is reporting Russia requesting troop support from Kazakhstan.
Can’t tell if this is infowar or for realz.
If true, it would seem to indicate Russia running into problems.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 10:18 utc | 254

In India the Modi regime’s supporters tend to be proRussia and the regime is de facto backing Russia. The liberal group, especially Congress Party supporters, most of whom never heard of Ukraine until last week, and couldn’t find it on a map to save their lives, are falling over each other to support it.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 26 2022 10:19 utc | 255

@Jörgen Hassler | Feb 26 2022 9:51 utc | 248
These types all run the same type of software between the ears — just go ask the Palestinians.
It does not matter what the uniform is, or symbol, or the size of the tiny or large hats they wear to virtue signal. That’s just cultural variation on a common theme.
What they have is a core of fear being managed by psuedo-group loyalty dynamics and galvinised by theatric performance and empty idols. What they all have in common is they are essentially anti(host)social criminals.

Posted by: imo | Feb 26 2022 10:24 utc | 256

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 26 2022 10:16 utc | 252
“It’s more than obvious that she got a nice little call from MI6.”
With respect to upholding the Narrative, Britain is now fully totalitarian. Something similar happened to the author LeCarré. Anyone try to read his last books? Poor fellow.

Posted by: veto | Feb 26 2022 10:26 utc | 257

Boris Johnson now repeats the extremist slogan himself:
“Slava Ukraini!” – Boris Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRUWSEBGsaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDayP1qDJQ

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 10:37 utc | 258

Hmm no one wants to be fair & level headed eh!
The amerikan imperialists as per usual favouring the usual “we do no wrong even when we butcher families” put all this down to “Putin” the only Russian with any power, they reckon, cause we all know “Putin wants to rule the world”.
I don’t think so, all they want to do is keep a buffer between themselves & western europe who invades them whenever they feel short of a dollar.
France under Napoleon Bonaparte was the first, england upset that they lost the ‘great game’ in Afghanistan leaving Tsarist Russia right to the north of their number 1 imperialism victim, India, was next and Germany eager to steal the USSR’s arable land – plus the oil in the Caucasus was the third – not to forget japan who wanted to but didn’t have the balls to give it a go, who shaped up then chickened out.
All of those attempts at invasion, then colonialism to be followed by outright resource theft cost millions and millions of Russian, Soviet & central asian lives.
Nevertheless despite the unforgivable provocation, the RF government kind of screwed the pooch on this.
Some may have noticed from the Russian Security Council meeting early last week that the insistence on recognising Ukrainian states & then Russia fighting for them came from Russia’s Duma, its legislature (just like parliament or amerika’s house of representatives).
The government succeeded in their efforts to get Russia’s citizens onside for the coming argument too well I reckon. Young millennial & generation Z Russian kids are well aware of the horrors that have resulted from previous fights Russia has had with western nations, horror stories of murder rape & genocide that killed close to 25 million Soviet civilians, yet no one was really held accountable. If a victim was a jew there was a chance USuk hunted the killers down, as long as the quarry didn’t have some skill USuk wanted that is.
The problem is that the Russian government’s attempt to prevent a recurrence has inspired ordinary Russian citizens to build a popular movement demanding that the right wing elements within Ukraine be held accountable & punished for crimes against Russian citizens.
IMO the russian government has been hoist by its own petard.
At a time directly right after western leaders have been rousing Ukrainian nazis from outside Ukraine, then Russia telling the world of the deadset nastiness of USuk, plus their strong denials of any interest in Ukraine, the Russian government has been inveigled into invading Ukraine by Russian citizens angry at the treatment of Russian speakers in Ukraine.
Russia has really blown her credibility on this for what appears to be just keeping Russian citizens onside. IOW they scream, no one wants to be fair & level headed eh!
The amerikan imperialists as per usual favouring the usual “we do no wrong even when we butcher families” put all this down to “Putin” the only Russian with any power, they reckon, cause “Putin wants to rule the world”.
I don’t think so, all they want to do is keep a buffer between themselves & western europe who invades them whenever they feel short of a dollar.
France under Napoleon Bonaparte was the first, england upset that they lost the ‘great game in Afghanistan leaving Tsarist Russia right to the north of their number 1 imperialism victim, was next and Germany eager to steal the USSR’s arable land – plus the oil in the Caucasus was the third – not to forget japan who wanted to but didn’t have the balls to give it a go, shaped up then chickened out.
The government succeeded in their efforts to get Russia’s citizens onside for the coming argument too well I reckon. They have talked themselves into a corner where invasion seemed the sole solution. USuk will love the loss of credibility,
No matter what happens next, average jo/joe blow in the west is gonna listen to the biden nonsense ahead of listening Russia’s statements. Unfortunate but true that the war mongers of western neoliberalism are gonna face SFA successful pushback against teir ‘new cold war’.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 26 2022 10:40 utc | 259

@235 Arch Bungle.
Not necessarily.
One of my original suspicions was that instead of using Russian troops as peacekeepers or monitors in place for any length of time, the russian federation would initially dismantle the Ukranian armed forces then hand off monitoring to the greater CSTO.
A multi national CSTO effort post operation would make it much more difficult for the wests political spin machine to label as a russian “conquest”.

Posted by: S.O. | Feb 26 2022 10:42 utc | 260

And now a civil war in Kiev:
“From [Kiev] they report:
Panic on the streets. The SBU, the terrorist defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the citizens who have taken up arms are constantly fighting each other. There is no identification of your own – someone else’s.
As a result, many people died.”
https://t.me/s/intelslava

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 10:52 utc | 261

ASEAN countries aren’t buying the propaganda.

This Week in Asia / Economics
Ukraine invasion: Singapore’s condemnation aside, rest of Asean’s ambivalence is ‘shocking’
• Singapore, Indonesia condemn Russia’s assault; Malaysia ‘sad’; Vietnam wants diplomacy; Philippines, Thailand focus on their nationals; Myanmar’s junta backs Putin
• Southeast Asia, which has long called for big nations to respect international law, now seems largely silent. Oil and the South China Sea partly explain why. But silence has a cost too

Archived link == > https://archive.vn/IRZHp
LOL ==> https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/opportunity-knocks-for-nato-and-its-partners-in-the-asia-pacific/

Posted by: too scents | Feb 26 2022 10:52 utc | 262

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 10:52 utc | 260
You can count the Ukrainian Mafia in there too.
Criminal gangs must be having a field day now that they have an effective amnesty to operate under state sanction.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 10:54 utc | 263

#256 “Anyone try to read his last books?”
Nope. Will you be so kind as to explain, please?

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 10:55 utc | 264

Posted by: too scents | Feb 26 2022 10:52 utc | 261
ASEAN countries aren’t buying the propaganda.
This Week in Asia / Economics
Ukraine invasion: Singapore’s condemnation aside, rest of Asean’s ambivalence is ‘shocking’
• Singapore, Indonesia condemn Russia’s assault; Malaysia ‘sad’; Vietnam wants diplomacy; Philippines, Thailand focus on their nationals; Myanmar’s junta backs Putin
• Southeast Asia, which has long called for big nations to respect international law, now seems largely silent. Oil and the South China Sea partly explain why. But silence has a cost too
Archived link == > https://archive.vn/IRZHp
LOL ==> https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/opportunity-knocks-for-nato-and-its-partners-in-the-asia-pacific/

Posted by: bonks | Feb 26 2022 11:17 utc | 265

258
At no time did Russia say they would not invade under any circumstances. They were questioned om that point a number of times by journalists. On receiving zero responses to the core security proposals, Putin asked both the Defence minister and foreign minister to come up with options and proposals. Lavrov believed it was worth trying diplomacy a little longer and Putin went with that so even then although invasion or military response of some sort was an option, it was not something Russia planned to do at that point. The Munich security conference was the tipping point. It was an anti Russia hate fest with none dissenting when Zelensky said Ukraine would build or acquire nuclear weapons. Ukraine then became a job for Shoigu. The decision at which point it became the Russian plan to use the military option ‘invasion’ was made at some point after that Munich conference.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2022 11:23 utc | 266

As Russia makes inroads to routing the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis, I fully expect over the next few days that a Western psy-op will take place something that the world will find revolting possibly the deaths of women and children, or a hospital or school blown up, and it will be blamed squarely on the shoulders of Russian aggression.
The psy-op will be widely reported and parroted by the Western media to get the undecideds onboard, we’ve seen this before.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 26 2022 11:31 utc | 267

despite the unforgivable provocation, the RF government kind of screwed the pooch on this… IMO the russian government has been hoist by its own petard
Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 26 2022 10:40 utc | 258
the “denazification” angle taints the whole thing and will turn it in to the desired quagmire. it doesn’t even matter if it is by evil design or emotional overreach – the whole concept of “denazification” is totally fucking fascist in itself. it removes any chance of efficiency and tarnishes the more immediate and concrete justifications for action

Posted by: Rae | Feb 26 2022 11:38 utc | 268

@AnalyticMind #182
I saw the same conversation and linked to it as well. Analyticmind was just repeating the points made by Scott Ritter (former UN weapons inspector). I really recommend people to listen to it instead of dogpiling on analyticmind since he makes some valid points.

Posted by: Gehennah | Feb 26 2022 11:54 utc | 269

267
It didn’t matter much what Russia did. If they had not gone in, US/UK would have done the ‘Russian’ attack on Kiev in a way to maximize civilian casualties. At the moment only a very small Russian ground force has gone in with limited fire power. At the moment the heat setting is not much more than one. Russia can dial the heat up to ten if necessary. Best just sit back and watch for a few days. There appears to be a bit of a civil war going on in Kiev now and Ukrainians are also posting nationalist ambush sites to social media. The one thing that is certain is that before this all over, Ukraine will no longer be capable of posing any sort of threat to Russia or the ethnic Russian’s within Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2022 12:03 utc | 270

Stale News (from TASS)
Daunting firepower. All the more so for the reserved style of the Russian communiqués:
“During the night, Russian Armed Forces carried out […] long-range precision strike[s] via naval-and air-based cruise missiles on Ukrainian military infrastructure objects,” [ Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov announced Saturday]
Specifically,
“Russian Armed Forces hit a total of 821 Ukrainian military infrastructure objects, including 14 military airstrips, 19 control centers and communication nodes, 24 S-300 and Osa missile air defense systems, 48 radar stations”.
There’s more: https://tass.com/world/1411737

Posted by: @vec | Feb 26 2022 12:04 utc | 271

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 26 2022 11:31 utc | 266

The psy-op will be widely reported and parroted by the Western media to get the undecideds onboard, we’ve seen this before.

And nothing will come of it, as nothing ever does (other than what would have come from it regardless).
Remember, the propaganda is directed at a culture that can accept the death of 500 000 children as “worth it” (for what nobody knows).
The Western propaganda machine has done such an excellent job of desensitizing it’s audience to atrocities that it has become a victim of it’s own success.
It’s going to have to stretch the bounds of narrative reality to it’s limits to squeeze the last drop of “give a shit” from western audiences.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 12:05 utc | 272

Zelensky appears to have lost his entourage and is wandering the streets alone making selfie videos.
Unemployed comedian available for your next party.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2022 12:06 utc | 273

Exit Zelensky imminent?
Zelensky Has Fled Kiev for Lvov, Russian State Duma Speaker Says
Russian State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said Saturday that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had left Kiev for Lvov; he added that Zelensky had already departed the Ukrainian capital as of yesterday.
“Zelensky hastily left Kiev. He was not in the capital of Ukraine yesterday. Together with his entourage, he fled to the city of Lvov, where he and his assistants were equipped with a place to live,” Volodin wrote in his Telegram channel.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 12:07 utc | 274

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 12:07 utc | 273

“Zelensky hastily left Kiev. He was not in the capital of Ukraine yesterday. Together with his entourage …

My guess is that’s the effect of Putin’s suggestion to the UAF to take over the reigns of power. Zelensky must be in a heightened state of paranoia around now …
(that and of course Kiev is coming down about his ears)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 12:11 utc | 275

https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/735
The building in background should be recognizable. Kiev? Lvov?

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2022 12:12 utc | 276

@oldhippie | Feb 26 2022 12:12 utc | 275
We need to know the time it was taken for it to be useful

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 12:21 utc | 277

the whole concept of “denazification” is totally fucking fascist in itself.
Posted by: Rae | Feb 26 2022 11:38 utc | 267
No, it isn’t.
Nazis are hostis humani generis, if the western allies wanted any sort of legitimacy for their pet ukraine, they should have removed the nazis themselves.
Atlanticists didn’t want to take out their ukronazi garbage – now they both will go out together hand in hand.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 26 2022 12:23 utc | 278

oldhippie
looking at that video, I doubt he is on the street in front of it. looks like an old hollywood studio movie with the background added.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2022 12:27 utc | 279

Memo to Russians ,
As an Australian, be very careful of the words from Australia’s foreign minister about ‘genuine dialogue’, that means in double speak ‘surrender. to our will.’ You will have NATOS’s missile on your borders and the demands will never cease from then on.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 26 2022 12:30 utc | 280

TLDR:
– Putin has well and truly fucked Russia and Russians. (I feel sorry for poor Russians. They really deserve better than this.)
– Chairman Xi is not pleased. The are after all limits to “no limits”.
my 2c: As with everything in the past 20 years by all Expansionist, current and has-been Imperialist, this //desperate// Russian move was about (insecurities regarding) China, the actual and inevitable rising Superpower.
Now return to your regularly programmed Russian Tool (RT) content.

Posted by: the_news | Feb 26 2022 12:32 utc | 281

@Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 26 2022 7:39 utc | 223
Well, Germany knows everything very well, since the head of the BND, Kahl, was in Kiev until the last minute, got struck there and had to be evacuated to Poland, where he continues to direct things from, for sure…

Posted by: Givi | Feb 26 2022 12:32 utc | 282

the whole concept of “denazification” is totally fucking fascist in itself.
Posted by: Rae | Feb 26 2022 11:38 utc | 267

Soooo…. The denazification of Germany was “totally fucking fascist”… You never wash your arse? Interesting.
By the way you seem to ignore that fascists and nazis were allied during ww2.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 12:34 utc | 283

It’s going to have to stretch the bounds of narrative reality to it’s limits to squeeze the last drop of “give a shit” from western audiences.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 26 2022 12:05 utc | 271
They even have a name for it: “ego depletion” or “ego deficit”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_depletion
The goal of many a marketing strategy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 26 2022 12:34 utc | 284

PeterAU1 @ 278
You could be right. OTOH cellphone videos with the short lens can look that way. The beard growth fits well with the spate of videos he has been posting. His right arm is definitely extended holding the phone and this is definitely a selfie.
Even with the beard have to remember this is an entertainment personality and he could be using a Hollywood continuity electric shaver.
We do not see the trappings of Office, the symbols of power. We see a clown.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2022 12:35 utc | 285

Posted by: the_news | Feb 26 2022 12:32 utc | 280
The troll army is moving inside Alabama!

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 12:37 utc | 286

The goal of many a marketing strategy.
Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 26 2022 12:34 utc | 283

Say hello to comprehensive humiliation.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 26 2022 12:39 utc | 287

It looks like the complete liberation of the Donetsk and Lugansk PR is on its way. To resist is suicidal. Everyone knows this.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 12:40 utc | 288

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 26 2022 10:40 utc | 258
What you say is that Russian government made a mistake of following the public opinion. In short, an authoritarian government in action. It steers between two rocks: sanctions that are feeble by design, or public opinion. Hm.
There is a huge collection of facts that are well propagated in Russian language media, and blanked out in the collective West. That blanking out of facts and thoughts is well covered in Russian, cementing the emerging meme “Empire of Lies”. Zelensky’s clique grew progressively more repressive and erratic, while EU/NATO was encouraging it with increasing arms supplies and more crumbs of economic aid. Looting of its own population that was increasingly living from remittances of workers engaged abroad was progressing too, under the “watch” of multiple “anti-corruption” bureaucracies supervised by the West. A minimalist course of action would be to negotiate the copy of 2019 ceasefire agreement that could hold for few months while more “pro-Russian” media are shut down, with looming specter of censorship, education in non-Ukrainian language is permitted only for “languages that are official in European Union” till 5-grade, with no Russian (or even bi-lingual) education at all, repressions for displaying Russian symbol, unpunished attacks for expressing pro-Russian views — like an assault during a TV talk show, Ukraine was becoming an increasingly fascistic and anti-Russian.
Add the toxic combination of arms supplies from NATO and overt discussion of Croatian scenario (forced ethnic cleansing) and Azerbaijan scenario (succeeding without air force using Turkish drones. It was a powder keg. Accommodating Donbass would require admission political and human right to speak Russian, to have at least bi-lingual education in Russian, to listen to Russian-language media, read uncensored Russian-Language books, and to have pro-Russian views., and to detest fascist heroes. All of that became a categorical NO. As it would hamper the struggle of democracy against authoritarianism, according to well-wishers from EU/NATO.
Should Russia ignore violations of human rights of 10-15 millions of fellow Russian speaker in exchange for somewhat milder sanctions than the alternative?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 26 2022 12:43 utc | 289

What a mess the Russians are creating. Killing innocent people just for the sake of dictator Putin. What a shame for Russia.
The most potent nuclear power shivering of fear – best would be to incarcerate Putin on the spot

Posted by: anjec | Feb 26 2022 12:43 utc | 290

Russia Ukraine 1
Patrick Armstrong’s take. Can’t find anything to disagree with.
“It will be obvious that NATO is useless and its friendship worthless. In fact, NATO/Western support is dangerous because it makes you think you have something when you actually have nothing. In a week it will be clear to all who can think that Washington and its minions cared nothing for Ukrainians – they were a sharp stick to poke the Bear with. Many will notice.”

Posted by: Tito | Feb 26 2022 12:46 utc | 291

“Posted by: anjec | Feb 26 2022 12:43 utc | 289”
The troll army is moving inside Alabama!

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 12:47 utc | 292

oldhippie
the background appears to have been greyed to an extent. there are green bushes around the building that are far from the colour they would be even on a selfie video. Bleak background, unshaven president….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2022 12:48 utc | 293

@Posted by: Rae | Feb 26 2022 11:38 utc | 267

the whole concept of “denazification” is totally fucking fascist in itself.

Shall we take that to mean you regret the denazification of Nazi Germany?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2022 12:50 utc | 294

Again, it’s Russia that saves the world from a hegemonic catastrophe.
Again, it will not get the appreciation and respect it deserves.

Posted by: A.L. | Feb 26 2022 12:52 utc | 295

Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 26 2022 8:22 utc | 230
Grear comment! Thanks!
Vive la prise de la Bastille (1789)!

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 12:55 utc | 296

when you set ideological drones for ministers – what can possibly go wrong?
vice-MO of Ukraine (Gallina Malyar, woman, all european and politicalyl correct) rocks…
she tweeted how evil russians captured UkrArmy vehicles, took on UkrArmy uniform and now are rushing right into the center of Kiev.
she somehow illustrated it with photos not of Kiev but of Gostomel (adjacent but different city) center junction,. Like, perhaps, someone in USA would publish breaking news from LA illustrating them with iconic HOLLYWOOD letters. Did it was intended like a hint: kidding? Whatever.
so, she did a bit of fearmongering and probably thought herself smart cunning propagandist.
sadly, UkrArmy was reading their vice-MO (surprise, mfs!) and set themselves onhigh alert. As they saw a column approaching from the said direction – they ambushed it. Ambush was well prepared and total success, unlucky UkrArmy column was totally destroyed by UkrArmy.
well done, idiot!

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 26 2022 12:59 utc | 297

Peter AU1
OK, now I am with you. Trees/shrubbery do it. There is a row of conifers that could be green in Kiev in February. There is also a tree that has lost all its leaves. And a tree retaining its green leaves. So the backdrop was filmed in autumn. Or the leafless tree was just dead and it was filmed any time in warm weather. But not late winter.
This is his channel. This is the best propaganda they can do. Ukraine does not have any functioning government. The credulity of fanboys, either side, is amazing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2022 13:06 utc | 298

if you have a family car, don’t park it in Kiev
https://t.me/stolknovenie/4715

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 26 2022 13:29 utc | 299

To be confirmed:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article215846.html
Zek ready to surrender through a message to the Chines embassy in Kiev.
Who can believe a clown? A way to win time?

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 26 2022 13:34 utc | 300