Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 24, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 1

On February 15 Professor John J. Mearsheimer gave a talk (video) about the Ukraine crisis. He starts out (at 3min) by explaining who has caused it:

The United States, mainly, and its allies are responsible for this crisis.

I recommend to watch it in full.

Like me and many other analysts Mearsheimer did not expect that a Russian move into the Ukraine would happen. Why the Russian government finally decided to take that step is not clear to me. I believe that Zelensky's lose talk about acquiring nuclear weapons for the Ukraine was one of the decisive factors. Who told Zelensky to come up with that?

The Russian operation started with a volley of cruise missiles that destroyed air defense radars and missiles, military airports, ammunition depots and some military harbor. The followed ground attacks by armored forces from Belarus southward, form Russia westward and from Crimea northward. These progressed well though some tanks got destroyed by anti-tank missile fire. The ground moves have air cover and heavy artillery moving up behind them.

This map does not show the progress of the operation but a likely operational plan the Russian military might have.


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The plan seems to be to a. take Kiev, b. encircle the 60,000 strong Ukrainian force that was preparing to attack Donbas c. take the coast. 

A large fleet of helicopter with Russian parachuter took the Antonov / Hostomel airport some 20 miles from Kiev. They did not even bother with CNN filming them. A fleet of transport planes from Russia will soon land there and deliver more forces.

The nuclear reactors at Chernobyl have been secured by Russian troops.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claims Russian aircraft have destroyed, 83 ground targets, 2 Ukrainian Su-27s, 2 Su-24s, 1 helicopter, 4 Bayraktar TB-2 drones. One Ukrainian Su-27 has landed in Romania. The pilot was probably not interested in getting killed.

The Ukrainian air-defenses, airforce, navy, most large command and control elements and depots have ceased to exist. The moral of its ground troops will be generally low though some of the Nazi battalions may still be willing to fight.

It is not know yet how far the attack from the north has reached towards Kiev. The attack from Russian mainland is currently fighting around Kharkiv, the Ukraine's second biggest city. The most successful attack was from Crimea as it has progressed significantly. The canal which provides water to Crimea and had since 2014 been blocked by the Ukraine has been liberated. Dnieper water is again flowing to the island.

Russia has so far only committed a relatively small ground force. More troops will follow when the first echelons make more progress. Russia has held back from using ballistic missiles and only used cruise missiles. That is probably a message to the 'west' that Russia could escalate if needed.  There has also been little use so far of Russia's electronic warfare elements. Internet and telephone are working in all of the Ukraine except for Kharkiv which seems to have Internet problems.

The Russian stock market is down but gold, oil and gas are up and Russia has so far lost zero money.

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. Its is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.

Comments

(idly wondering what gender a spork is)

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 25 2022 15:13 utc | 401

@Grieved | Feb 25 2022 1:32 utc | 225
Thank you for your comment on President Putin’s magnificent 24 January speech. You put into words what I could not express myself.

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 25 2022 15:13 utc | 402

@aquadraht #397 and c1ue
It’s very naive to think that Ze is not weak and compromised by all parties (except Russia), hostile to Russia, when he allows and even solicits their help, even before this Russian operation, for God’s sake! Weak being the operative word that rules him out completely as the leader of a country as geopolitically strategic as Ukraine is.
What angle are you and c1ue pulling here anyway?

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 15:13 utc | 403

This was headline of my article before Putin’s decision …

Reverse ‘Incursion’ of Coup d’Etat Feb. 2014 |
by Oui on Jan 21st, 2022 at 10:20:33 AM PDT |
Article in The Guardian today seems as a likely option of Putin’s intent. Getting rid of the fascist elements now dominating the pro-EU Kyiv government. As has been clear, Ukraine is run by corrupt oligarchs with some pro-EU and some pro-Russia. The intelligence unit SBU has the lead in corrupt matters, this is not what democracy should look look like. The election of pro-Russian Yanukovych was as democratic compared to earlier elections. After the Colour Revolution of the Maidan, the nation has been divided as never before with the unrest in Donbas and Odessa.
Russia urges Ukraine to investigate attack on consulate, demands better security | Tass – Dec. 24, 2021 |
[footage petrol bomb]

Facts of a long divided state …
Pro-Russia Yanukovich takes lead in Ukrainian elections | EurActiv – Feb. 3, 2010 |
https://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/pro-russia-yanukovich-takes-lead-in-ukrainian-elections/

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 15:14 utc | 404

Presidential Election First Round
Yanukovich led with 38% of the vote and Tymoshenko had 24%, the Central Election Commission said after 25% of the ballots from Sunday’s election had been counted. Counting was to continue through the night.
With 60% of ballots counted, outgoing President Viktor Yushchenko has 4.97% of the votes, according to the Ukrainian press.
Analysts expect Tymoshenko to pick up a higher proportion of second round votes from defeated candidates and say Yanukovich may struggle to extend his appeal beyond his support base in the Russian-speaking east of the country.
Tymoshenko, 49, helped lead the pro-Western Orange Revolution against Yanukovich’s rigged 2004 presidential election victory and is most popular in the European-leaning west of the country.
The division of Ukraine in Red and Blue from Final Election Results in 2010 should have served Putin a blue print how far he could go for support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 15:16 utc | 405

If the attack on France had been delayed by a week, it is highly likely we would all be speaking German today. The history of the world would have taken a very different path.
Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 15:10 utc | 405
The soviet peoples broke the back of the nazi war machine and all the fucking world owes them for it, regardless of their further political development.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 25 2022 15:18 utc | 406

– If Ukraine had REALLY plans to invade the Donbass region with some 60,000 troops then I consider that to be a good reason for Russia to attack the Ukraine. Then a russian attack makes muc more sense. It was simply meant to pre-empt the ukrainian move.

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 25 2022 15:22 utc | 407

Can I get my 50 € back I sent you? You are obviously well paid by the Russians.

Posted by: CK | Feb 25 2022 15:33 utc | 408

I just watched an official Chinese state TV report about the recent phone call between Putin and Xi, expressing congratulations on Russia’s performance in the Olympics and stating that both sides are in unison about their position on sovereignty and territorial integrity in the Ukraine matter. while that may sound boilerplate to those looking to china for more strident support, I think the message is clear and audiences don’t need much more explicit references to understand the underlying relationship.
I think too much emphasis has been placed on what china says in a official capacity at the UN and thru the foreign ministry. worth paying attention to is how domestic chinese media have portrayed Russia. the tone is unmistakably positive, warm and admiring towards Russia. the de facto alliance is very evident. the tone can even be seen on ground grassroots media like douyin (Chinese TikTok).
so it is one thing to look at china’s official statements but the domestic messaging is much more expressive

Posted by: mastameta | Feb 25 2022 15:35 utc | 409

Hear, Hear
Some believe/suspect that Putin was going for Kiev all along.
This quote pretty much expresses how I see that question,
with one important addition – the threat of Zelensky to acquire nuclear weapons.

In Moscow, too, there likely were differences of opinion – or, more accurately, of emphasis. They surely led to some divergences over what actions Russia should take. It is essential to bear in mind that Putin himself seems to have been closer to the dovish end of the continuum among Security Council members on the overarching issue of how to deal with the U.S., with the West, and particularly Ukraine. One could imagine a gradual hardening of thinking among all individuals as tensions mounted and frustrations grew in the Kremlin. A Putin, who might have been trying to fashion an approach that reconciled his own wariness about military confrontation with genuine worry about the threats to Russian security presented by Washington’s hardline, might have found himself in a quandary. I suspect that American official have very little understanding of this reality or appreciate its implications.
That could explain the promulgation of that strange position paper/demarche wherein he laid out in detail a list of demands for a drastic revision of Europe’s security configuration punctuated by an emphasis on time urgency. That is to say, a Hail Mary to stay the hand of a growing consensus that the time had come for Russia to hit back at the West in the Ukraine. Two things perhaps tipped Putin’s thinking into accepting the necessity of doing what he did. One was the West’s unbending and unaccommodating response. The other, was the Ukrainians’ launching an unprecedented artillery and mortar barrage against the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. Who forced that fateful step? Elements of the Ukraine Army and/or security services? The AZOV brigade and associated parties? Zelensky? With how much encouragement from the CIA and/or the White House?
Michael Brenner

404?
Thx, Posted by: Housedoc | Feb 25 2022 15:10 utc | 404

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 15:36 utc | 410

@Circe #408
Your credibility as an international affairs commentator is as strong as your credibility in domestic politics.
Which is to say, zero.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 15:39 utc | 411

Allow me to take the low road and mention a pet peeve. For the longest time a certain person has been going on and on about “Putin the pussy.” I am pleased to see that lately that person hasn’t graced us with that inane comment.

Posted by: morongobill | Feb 25 2022 15:40 utc | 412

Housedoc | Feb 25 2022 15:10 utc | 404
Thank you for posting that. Considering the lockstep war rhetoric now in vogue in the US that will undoubtedly make him a marked man. I’m just 40 minutes from Pittsburgh and I read Mr. Brenner whenever he is posted to CN.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Feb 25 2022 15:42 utc | 413

@416
Clueless strikes again.
*****
Imagine if say, 10 years ago, Mexico were status-quo Ukraine and the rest of Central America and large part of South America were in a military club led by China and Russia whose interests were antithetical to U.S. interests.
By an operation of massive Military Force, today Mexico would be a U.S. state with the status of Puerto Rico. PERIOD. No discussion.
So let’s quit the namby-pamby concern for how far Russia is taking this, shall we?

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 15:43 utc | 414

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3805956-what-is-the-market-telling-us-about-the-impact-of-russian-sanctions
What the markets are saying is Russia gets by. Sanctions aren’t that big a deal. Oil is down a bit, as is gold.
The war could be very positive for both Russia and Ukraine, long term. Pipelines still pay Ukraine and Europe pays for Russian gas. Nazis – who had virtual veto power- get killed, giving Ze a free hand. Crimea gets water. Russia could push for trade between EU and CSTO – to benefit Ukraine. Long term expense of Donbas war is over.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 25 2022 15:45 utc | 415

Below is a Xinhuanet reporting of the Xi/Putin conversation today

BEIJING, Feb. 25 (Xinhua) — Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, on Friday held a phone conversation.
During the phone conversation, Xi thanked Putin again for coming to China to attend the opening ceremony of the Beijing Winter Olympics, and congratulated the Russian athletes on finishing second in the Winter Olympics medal table.
Xi pointed out that recent dramatic changes in the situation in eastern Ukraine have drawn great attention from the international community, adding that China decides on its position based on the merits of the Ukrainian issue itself.
He called on dropping the Cold War mentality, attaching importance and respecting the legitimate security concerns of various countries and forming a balanced, effective and sustainable European security mechanism through negotiation.
The Chinese side supports the Russian side in solving the issue through negotiation with the Ukrainian side, Xi said, adding that China has been consistent in its basic position on respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries and abiding by the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter.
China is ready to work with members of the international community to embrace the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security, and firmly uphold the international system with the United Nations at its core and the international order based on international law, Xi said.

I think Russia and China are going to beat this drum until all are marching to the same beat.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2022 15:51 utc | 416

I believe that Zelensky’s lose talk about acquiring nuclear weapons for the Ukraine was one of the decisive factors.
Like many, I was extremely surprised by the Russian Federation’s decision to invade and believe that in the final analysis it was a major factor contributing to that decision.
Zelensky gave a closely followed speech at the Munich Security Conference held less than a week ago which included the following passage:
“Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the states, the guarantors of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today, Ukraine will do so for the fourth time. And I, as President, for the first time. But both Ukraine and I will do this for the last time. I am initiating consultations under the Budapest Memorandum. The foreign minister has been instructed to convene them. If again they will not take place or in their outcome there will be no security guarantees for our country, then Ukraine will have the full right to consider that the Budapest Memorandum does not work and all the decisions of the 1994 package are in doubt.”
Considering the ongoing situation and the rising tensions at that time, in particular the statement, “…then Ukraine will have the full right to consider that the Budapest Memorandum does not work and all the decisions of the 1994 package are in doubt.” can only be considered unfortunate and entirely unnecessary. It can only be interpreted as a both a clear threat and a provocation towards the Russian Federation, however tangentially it was expressed, that Ukraine would re-acquire nuclear weapons.
It also cannot have passed Russia’s notice that the Zelensky speech was the only one which received a standing ovation at the conference.

Posted by: Arak17 | Feb 25 2022 15:54 utc | 417

Skiffer | Feb 25 2022 14:49 utc | 400
Don’t know where you hail from Skiffer (and I’m not asking,) but here in rustbelt USA I expect that same show to come to town here when the facade eventually collapses. I’m agnostic so I do not pray, but at thoughts like these I’m sometimes sorely tempted.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Feb 25 2022 15:54 utc | 418

October 2017:
31. The planned ban on cash is intended to bring about the expropriation of the people, but the elite of the ruling class and capitalism will be able to ‘swim’ in joy and glory. And the entire financial system of the whole world is to be overturned in order to also reorganise all existing national debts of all countries, and in such a way that generally only the populations of the states are harmed. There are already secret plans in the USA and in the EU dictatorship to start a war against Russia from Germany, which is to be cited as the reason for the entire emerging world crisis. And it is clear from the outset that the blame for this war will be laid at the door of the Russians, of course completely unjustly – if it actually comes about. And if this war actually takes place, then martial law will be derived from it, which will suppress the enraged population – which will be completely dispossessed – by strong and ruthless military and police forces.

Posted by: Stephen Lane | Feb 25 2022 16:02 utc | 419

Vintage – thanks for the link to The Odessa Massacre – What REALLY Happened
https://youtu.be/H4dJRnI-X8Q
I repost the link as this video is extremely powerful in presenting the true case of what occurred in 2014 in Odessa, the Maidan and the Donbass, and the reason for the move toward independence from Kiev. I recognize some of the clips as being from the original footage viewed by me in 2014. My skin still crawls.
The associated link to still images of the various atrocities now gives a 404 error. In 2014 I was uncomprehending of how anyone could commit such heinous crimes, publicly document them, publicly distribute such evidence of their criminality, and publicly exhort the viewing public to engage in similar acts. It was both a celebration of atrocity and an incitement to even greater excess of cruelty.
The world, not just the west, will be shocked if Putin carries out an Odessa Trial in a format similar to that of Nuremberg. I hope he does exactly this. If any RF advisor monitors MoA (unlikely) I plead with them for the RF to go forward with such a prosecution.
My reason goes beyond delivering appropriate punishment for those who committed these crimes. There is a secondary level of criminality which attaches to these incidents.
In 2014 YouTube hosted the entire video of the atrocity without censorship or complaint. Today, an equivalent video would be immediately banned if it implicated a “western partner” but likely be accepted if it were to cast the RF in a bad light.
It is impossible for western leaders, their intelligence staffs, foreign office researchers, and a host of other state apparatchiks to have been unaware of this evidence. It is likely they participated both in its suppression, and in the deliberate mis-information of their electorates.
The only way to combat such activity on the part of the “free” West is for Putin to carry out Odessa Trials and make both the trial, and all the associated evidence of atrocity available to the global public. I believe that to be the only way we can ensure our own continued freedom.
All the best.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:07 utc | 420

Anyone who thinks Putin and Ze at the end of this will shake hands and carry on for their mutual benefit is blinded by the feel-good fairy dust they sprinkled themselves with to escape reality or to help stop the necessary that needs to happen.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 16:12 utc | 421

Continuing the theme of frozen ground being necessary for Russian invasion.
What to do with the most terrible sanction devised, namely nixing NorthStream II in the plausible situation when a new government is installed in Kiev, a care taker government prosecution Nazi activities (murders etc.) and corrupted official, businessmen and local gangs that are important parts “local elites” in region and city levels.
Russia would probably cheerfully increase transit through Ukraine, and with minor repairs, it is an enormous transit capacity, with extra revenue to the friendly government. NorthStreams no longer necessary.
[The common theme is the inability to observe the obvious on the part of NATO elites, even when they engage in malicious plots.]

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 16:12 utc | 422

@Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 13:44 utc | 376
Thx Arioch, I did some research on Firefox Telemetry and acted on it.
Thx again

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 16:13 utc | 423

On the topic of masculine and feminine nouns, I am always baffled that something I consider to be quintessentially female is known as “le vagin” in French.

Posted by: Ranelagh | Feb 25 2022 16:14 utc | 424

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:55 utc | 300
Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:45 utc | 296
Apologies – I dropped the header on my response to your #296. b appears to have “pruned” a large number of comments and thrown the numbering out of whack.
With regard to TCFKAU I hope we will also see the end of TCFKAT: The Country Formerly Known As Trudeaustan.
I am sure there are many other candidates.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:17 utc | 425

@Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:07 utc | 425
In 2014 I was uncomprehending of how anyone could commit such heinous crimes, publicly document them, publicly distribute such evidence of their criminality, and publicly exhort the viewing public to engage in similar acts.
It triggered me to remember the Nanjing Massacre or Raping of Nanjing.
The Japanese soldiers photographed their own crimes.
It speaks miles to their mental attitude, but for me to attempt to grasp and then express that attitude
makes me not want to go there.

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 16:26 utc | 426

@427 “Russia would probably cheerfully increase transit through Ukraine, and with minor repairs, it is an enormous transit capacity, with extra revenue to the friendly government.”
Very good observation. Gas transit could become a major bargaining chip when serious negotiations start. All a new government in Kiev has to do is agree to not join NATO. They may even retain access to the Black Sea as a bonus.

Posted by: dh | Feb 25 2022 16:27 utc | 427

Here is some heartwarming news that America will find extremely encouraging.
The Leader of the Free World’s valiant efforts to economically and politically isolate the big, bad Russian bear are really paying off!
For Russia, that is.
US-backed Middle East states cozy up to Russia during Ukraine invasion
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/25/us-backed-middle-east-states-cozy-up-to-russia-during-ukraine-invasion/
China OKs wheat imports from Russia
https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16536-china-oks-wheat-imports-from-russia

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 25 2022 16:40 utc | 428

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:08 utc | 361
I agree with many of the points you make. One, or both of us, may be entirely incorrect.
Something which cannot go on forever eventually comes to a halt.
My sense of the present moment is that the world has reached an inflection point. Putin’s Special Operation has put not just a period but a FULL STOP to an unsustainable historical trajectory. I am trying to discern what may come next, particularly among the non-aligned nations of the world who I believe will now be carefully studying Putin’s recent letters and speeches.
Our recent present is first occaison I can think of when a state has actively defied the hegemon and demonstrated the hegemon has no reasonable means of response. That is a powerful lesson, one demanding of a pragmatic response.
We are both attempting to discern the future. You appear to favour “more of the same.” I believe Putin has created the opening for a series of changes. Our debate may proceed over a period of years; history will record whose views were more accurate.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:44 utc | 429

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:33 utc | 372

If anything, these “sanctions” are beneficial to the EU – rather than Russian banks handling payments, now payments must transact via European ones.

A RF counter sanction may come in the form of pricing all RF energy exports in rubles.
This would require foreign purchasers to open accounts with RF banks and deposit funds to make ruble purchases to effect the transaction.
Such sanctions would have limited immediate impact given the fact that RF prefers long term contracts and these typically stipulate the transaction currency.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:56 utc | 430

@Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:56 utc | 435
Interesting idea.But mind that at the moment, Gazprom, Rosneft etc are highly profiting from the shears in energy and ruble price on the international markets. The customers – other than China – are paying in more USD or Euro, and the Russian companies get even more rubles for.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 25 2022 17:07 utc | 431

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 16:07 utc | 425 and Feb 25 2022 16:17 utc | 430
No worries on the header, a little messiness is to be expected as b conducts his de-trollification operation…
In the current climate I don’t doubt that youtube would suppress the original record. Since the Odessa Massacre and many other psychopathic crimes committed against Russian speakers and antifascists I too have been hoping in my heart that, whatever else comes of all this, that the RF conducts Nuremberg-level trials of all Nazis and war criminals, publicly before the entirety of humanity. Including following up every evidence-trail of the secondary levels of criminality you pinpoint.
Not dissimilar to how the RF military isn’t just taking out the Nazi militias and other military opposition, but also their sources of command and control.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 17:10 utc | 432

@Circe #419
All the yakking in the world – even stupid name calling – doesn’t detract from the reality that you don’t know shit and are a dilettante.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 17:28 utc | 433

@Sushi #434
I agree – we can one, or both, definitely be wrong.
However, my view is based – not on some idealistic idea of what the international order should or should not be, but rather on direct observation of specific EU and China actions for several decades.
The only reason I bring my theory on China/EU behavior up is that you might consider it when contemplating what actions are likely to occur when the EU or China is prompted to act.
So far, it has been 100% accurate: cosmetic support for the US/”international order” but in actuality, preservation of core economic interests.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 17:33 utc | 434

Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 16:12 utc |

US, EU unlikely to cut Russia off SWIFT for now -Biden
European Union have opted not to cut Russia off from the SWIFT global interbank payments system as part of their sanctions against Moscow for invading Ukraine, but could revisit that issue, U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday.
Asked why that step was not taken, Biden told reporters the sanctions imposed against Russian banks exceeded the impact of cutting Russia off from SWIFT, and other countries had failed to agree on taking the additional step at this point.
Gas prices in the UK and continental Europe dropped more than a fifth on Friday on relief that western sanctions had not dealt a crippling blow to Russia’s ability to sell energy and other commodities.
But prices cooled on Friday as traders analysed US president Joe Biden’s decision to include in his sanctions package a carve-out for energy payments, a crucial source of revenue for Moscow.
Futures linked to TTF, Europe’s wholesale gas price, fell 25 per cent to €101 per megawatt hour, having traded above €140 on Thursday, while the UK equivalent was down 23 per cent at 246p per therm.

Wall Street stocks yesterday and in Europe on Friday managed to recover from early losses.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 17:42 utc | 435

What are the chances, under the current conditions of mayhem sweeping Ukraine, that some disgruntled locals start blowing up the gas transit pipelines to Europe to get some more attention from the EU ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 17:52 utc | 436

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:00 utc |

Melkiades | Feb 25 2022 0:44 utc | 248 “I just want to say that it’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.”
I would disagree. The shithole is on THE borderlands of insanity. To remove the ‘the’ it could be simplified to insanity. How else can you explain an urge of self destruction?

Ooooh ! I like that ! Standing ovation etc !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Feb 25 2022 17:55 utc | 437

c1ue @438
She is just trying to build up credibility in the fora that she can burn to support Democrat candidates in the US midterm elections. She’s trying to say what she thinks people here want to hear so that they will read her posts when election time comes. She’s clearly had some training since she last haunted these parts, but mark my words: She will be back shilling for “Team Blue” this autumn.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 25 2022 18:13 utc | 438

I just hope Russia has the sense to surround Kiev & Kharkiv but not get sucked into street fighting there. Casualty rates – which seem very low so far – would skyrocket, making it much harder to get past this in the long run. Russia has chosen to do this in a *relatively* civilized way – attacking military targets vs leveling & terrorizing the cities. People still get killed, maimed, orphaned & displaced, but Russia is being pretty careful to minimize carnage.
The next question is, How far will they go? The answer depends mostly on their objectives.
Annexing/Liberating Donetsk & Luhansk is a given; but will they take more (or all?) of the Black Sea coast? It would be tempting to deny NATO access to Odessa; but NATO could still use Romanian ports for Black Sea access. Does Russia need a land corridor to Moldava? But Moldava has “condemned” the “invasion”…
Russia seems serious about keeping Ukraine out of NATO. Will they be able to get sufficient assurance of that without conquering the whole country & killing lotsa people in urban warfare? That’s the Big Question.

Posted by: elkern | Feb 25 2022 18:15 utc | 439

By an operation of massive Military Force, today Mexico would be a U.S. state with the status of Puerto Rico. PERIOD. No discussion.
So let’s quit the namby-pamby concern for how far Russia is taking this, shall we?
Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 15:43 utc | 419
For fuck’s sake, I know you’re not in the best standing here, but fuck me sideways, you’re fucking right.
***************
I’m agnostic so I do not pray, but at thoughts like these I’m sometimes sorely tempted.
Posted by: vinnieoh | Feb 25 2022 15:54 utc | 423
This is cheesy as fuck, but I don’t think there’s a contradiction here.
That you don’t bow to a particular god doesn’t mean you’re forbidden to pray.
Or as Conan says to Cromm in the movie: Grant me victory, or go to hell.
Prayer and worship are not the same, prayer is a personal act, it doesn’t need a listening DIVINITY that the “supplicant” believes in and worships, in order to be sincere.
I use this nickname for a reason, which is a deep and lifelong conviction; one which will escort me to the grave barring a certifiable miracle.
I tell you, paradoxical as it might seem, prayer is not an exclusive purview of religious people and worshippers, that which we call praying is simply a human behavior which after the fact finds different moorings in culture.
*********************
No worries on the header, a little messiness is to be expected as b conducts his de-trollification operation…
Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 17:10 utc | 437
You can smell western plants once you’re used to them.
Ideologically, politically, virtual discussion spaces are a microcosm; a simplified model of the real world.
The same groupings coalesce and the same tactics are deployed, adjusted to the context.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 25 2022 18:38 utc | 440

Housedoc @404–
Thanks for copy/pasting that. Hoped to find it at the link you supplied, but it’s not there. I assume you’re on a mailing list of his as that essay’s nowhere at that website.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 18:49 utc | 441

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:11 utc |

Ah ! Arioch me ole mucker, you are almost well named. A more accurate rendition of your monicker, mmm, would be “rusty sheriffs badge”.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Feb 25 2022 18:53 utc | 442

@William Gruff #443
That may be, but good f’ing luck doing that in the coming Red Wave.
And I don’t mean Russia.
What’s really funny is that I actually like Bernie: his positions are generally reasonable (to me) but I have also always believed that he could be nothing more than a gadfly. Subsequent events have thoroughly proven that.
As for Team Blue: Biden is going to be known for not 1, but 2 international failures when November 2022 rolls around.
Jimmy Carter only had 1.
Inflation? Check also.
30 Democrat Representatives have announced retirement – the most since 1992.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 19:58 utc | 443

c1ue @448
The shills for “Team Blue” sure have their work cut out for them, no doubt. Trump is still betting on things coming up roses for Russia and his instincts are pretty good. If the jingoism doesn’t take then “Team Blue” is going to be demolished no matter how much is spent on social media marketing.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 25 2022 20:27 utc | 444

@William Gruff #449
It isn’t necessary for Russia to “come up roses” for Trump’s political strategy to work.
Real or perceived weakness by Biden in addressing the Ukraine/Russia issue is enough, especially coming on the heels of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 26 2022 4:52 utc | 445

Molotov into bloofthirtsy tyrannical Russian military fuel car.
https://t.me/swodki/25920
Next time try it with civilized caring American police car, would you?

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 26 2022 17:47 utc | 446

Re: #Mearsheimer – Fair play to various people for highlighting and giving voice to an apparently ‘unaligned’, more balanced view from people like John Mearsheimer – Respect. But. And also. Mr Mearsheimer is not infallible, and actually, somewhat flawed – Let’s not forget – he’s an ex ‘West Point’ and ‘Brookings’ man.. that old Anglo-Saxon conditioning tarnishes his opinions. In this video – again – it’s clear.. Mearsheimer states Russia’s intent is, was, or has been, to ‘wreck Ukraine’ and here we see the taint.. the ‘A-S’ conditioning.. – I can’t agree that this is the case. In fact I think it’s erroneous to say this. – So! I particularly recommend watching this too, a must watch actually: https://youtu.be/uF56A1HCPtU – For an even clearer, and much more pragmatic and balanced picture of what has actually occurred in Ukraine and Crimea since 2014 – That is, If you want to understand Ukraine Russia Putin Crimea – this learned American, – Stephen F Cohen Explains the the ‘nuts and bolts’ in historical context since 2014 very clearly. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Cohen#Putin_era The ‘MUST WATCH’ Video is here: https://youtu.be/uF56A1HCPtU

Posted by: Barrie VVeiss | Feb 28 2022 9:18 utc | 447