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February 24, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 1

On February 15 Professor John J. Mearsheimer gave a talk (video) about the Ukraine crisis. He starts out (at 3min) by explaining who has caused it:

The United States, mainly, and its allies are responsible for this crisis.

I recommend to watch it in full.

Like me and many other analysts Mearsheimer did not expect that a Russian move into the Ukraine would happen. Why the Russian government finally decided to take that step is not clear to me. I believe that Zelensky's lose talk about acquiring nuclear weapons for the Ukraine was one of the decisive factors. Who told Zelensky to come up with that?

The Russian operation started with a volley of cruise missiles that destroyed air defense radars and missiles, military airports, ammunition depots and some military harbor. The followed ground attacks by armored forces from Belarus southward, form Russia westward and from Crimea northward. These progressed well though some tanks got destroyed by anti-tank missile fire. The ground moves have air cover and heavy artillery moving up behind them.

This map does not show the progress of the operation but a likely operational plan the Russian military might have.


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The plan seems to be to a. take Kiev, b. encircle the 60,000 strong Ukrainian force that was preparing to attack Donbas c. take the coast. 

A large fleet of helicopter with Russian parachuter took the Antonov / Hostomel airport some 20 miles from Kiev. They did not even bother with CNN filming them. A fleet of transport planes from Russia will soon land there and deliver more forces.

The nuclear reactors at Chernobyl have been secured by Russian troops.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claims Russian aircraft have destroyed, 83 ground targets, 2 Ukrainian Su-27s, 2 Su-24s, 1 helicopter, 4 Bayraktar TB-2 drones. One Ukrainian Su-27 has landed in Romania. The pilot was probably not interested in getting killed.

The Ukrainian air-defenses, airforce, navy, most large command and control elements and depots have ceased to exist. The moral of its ground troops will be generally low though some of the Nazi battalions may still be willing to fight.

It is not know yet how far the attack from the north has reached towards Kiev. The attack from Russian mainland is currently fighting around Kharkiv, the Ukraine's second biggest city. The most successful attack was from Crimea as it has progressed significantly. The canal which provides water to Crimea and had since 2014 been blocked by the Ukraine has been liberated. Dnieper water is again flowing to the island.

Russia has so far only committed a relatively small ground force. More troops will follow when the first echelons make more progress. Russia has held back from using ballistic missiles and only used cruise missiles. That is probably a message to the 'west' that Russia could escalate if needed.  There has also been little use so far of Russia's electronic warfare elements. Internet and telephone are working in all of the Ukraine except for Kharkiv which seems to have Internet problems.

The Russian stock market is down but gold, oil and gas are up and Russia has so far lost zero money.

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. Its is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.

Comments

It was time. The weather was right. Soon it will all be mud.
Posted by: bobert | Feb 25 2022 5:58 utc | 351
I think it is all mud over there, except high places in Carpathian Mountains. It may come to surprise to some, but Russians are prepared for a variety of weather conditions. Fog is most problematic because It gives cover to the opponents, but short of quagmires like Belorussian/Ukrainian border (with notable exceptions like Chernobyl area), they are able to operate in a wide spectrum of landscapes and weather conditions.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 6:11 utc | 301

Continuing the weather/frozen ground theme, because of the “helpful” foreign intelligence, Ukraine prepared only white uniforms for the new soldiers, here Ukrainian volunteers marching to the front.
Note: video was in my YouTube feed among Ukraine war stories, and the title is in a language I do not know, so I interpreted it to the best of my ability.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 6:24 utc | 302

@105 Ben

It’s amazing how guillible most of you apparently are. b musing about what could have been the trigger that set this off, was it Zelensky talking about nukes or what. Come off it. This was clearly months in the planning; any ‘trigger’ was merely what pretexts would be used to justify something that was going to happen anyway. Nothing about this was spur of the moment. The western media narrative, including maps showing the suspected invasion plan, were fundamentally correct. They were wrong on the exact timings, but it happened in the end. Russia just pulled off a masterclass in military and political deception, but it’s totally honest and it’s the other side that are the ‘Empire of Lies’, right.
Are any of you going to even attempt to engage in self-reflection? Or are your personalities so tied up in accepting the Kremlin narrative that you can’t bring yourself to look in the mirror? You’re useful idiots. Grow up.
Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 21:29 utc | 105

I’m with you Ben on seeing that this was inevitable from at least a couple of months ago.
However, the ‘Empire of Lies’ is still that. 30 years of broken promises and NATO advancements. 8 years of punitive ethnic cleansing civil war from the right wing nationalists in Kiev installed by Biden-Kerry-Nuland-CIA – and broken Minsk treaty over and over again = an “Empire of Lies”.
Russia had every right to feel like the Cheyenne, the Sioux, the Apache et al.
NATO-USA speak with fork tongue. Russia is acting now to prevent a full scale WW-III in coming years.
I think the tripwire was in mid 2021 when Ukraine officially tore up the Minsk agreement, declared they would retake Crimea and Donbas by force and sent an invasion level army to the frontline in the Donbas.
Russia played the deception from then in same way the Allies (when The West had some morals) played deception with the time and place of the D-Day landings.

Posted by: PJB | Feb 25 2022 6:27 utc | 303

Thought I would mention, I went to The Saker website a couple of hours ago
and my pc got hung up for a while. I had trouble closing Firefox.
Then I ran CCLEANER and it normally takes about a minute to do it’s cleanup.
I didn’t actually time it but it was at least twenty minutes before it
finished.
Haven’t returned to The Saker site since, and maybe it was just my laptop
that was the problem, but if someone were going to mess with that website
today would be the day.
Just saying.

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 6:44 utc | 304

predictably and a Reminder, by Pepe Escobar
https://thecradle.co/Article/columns/7266
From the Black Sea to the East Med, don’t poke The Russian Bear
The US shouldn’t have poked the Russian Bear. Now it is fully awake: after Ukraine, the Russians are likely to do a clean sweep of foreign belligerents poking around the East Med and the Black Sea.
“….Predictably, Western corporate media has already gone totally berserk branding it as the much-awaited Russian “invasion”. A reminder: when Israel routinely bombs Syria and when the House of One Saudi routinely bombs Yemeni civilians, there is never any peep in NATOstan media….”
so glad that someone remembers still what goes down in Syria and poor Yemen…. All The Time

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 25 2022 6:45 utc | 305

Lets hope the perpetrators of the odessa trade union building massacre, and other atrocities,are hunted down like dogs and see some swift and brutal justice. The hunters have now become the hunted.

Posted by: RC213V | Feb 25 2022 6:50 utc | 306

Zero issues for the last 3 days immediately accessing https://thesaker.is/, FWIW.
I’m using both my home IP addy and a proxy/VPN. There is no DDOS attack (at least successful) on The Saker, so I would hope that we can stop spreading fear by claiming it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 6:59 utc | 307

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 3:50 utc | 316
Also from RT (which now appears to be functioning normally) is this quote from Macron:

He added that Paris would soon deliver an aid package to Kiev worth €1.2 billion ($1.3 billion) and will “continue to deliver military equipment” in support of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

SOURCE:
https://www.rt.com/russia/550552-macron-call-putin-diplomacy/
A paragraph earlier Macron spoke of his attempt to convince Putin to stop his action.
Macron appears totally blind to the fact that his offer of $1.3 billion in military aid to Ukraine is precisely the conduct that precipitated Putin’s Special Action in the first place.
One is forced to ask about recruitment and promotion to senior positions in Western governments. Truss, Macron, Sullivan, Trudeau. Where do they dig up these people?

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 7:07 utc | 308

@Posted by: Cabe | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 321
Ukraine is completely split East-West along ethnic and political lines, so open referenda could easily end up with everything East of the Dniepr plus the south joining Russia, or establishing a separate nation – NovoRussia! Especially after the horrendous post-maiden economic situation – many millions of Ukrainians are working in Russia and Europe. I can see the lands next to Hungary wanting to join Hungary given how the Hungarian minority has been treated by the UkroNazis. Then Europe can have the land-locked rump mainly rural state that is left.
Most important is to clear out the Nazis, foreign agents, and other problematic people, such as certain oligarchs.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 25 2022 7:12 utc | 309

@339 michaelj72 | Feb 25 2022 5:28 utc
Thank you for the Gilbert Doctorow commentary.
The Doctorow article comments specifically on the latest Putin speech, which I’ve belabored above. What’s nice is that he offers what must be his own translation of certain highlighted parts, and he presents the same gist but with more of an earthy feel, more of real blood flowing through human veins. And it’s a good reading he’s made of the Putin declaration.
To be clear: Putin made his first speech on Monday, February 21. Then he recognized the republics, Escobar’s “baby twins”. Then process followed, etc.
Then on Wednesday, February 23, he made his second speech, because the DPR asked Russia for help in the face of Ukie attacks – and Russia then mounted its current operation, timed exactly with Putin’s second speech, coming to us in the west generally as Thursday, February 24.
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It is this subsequent speech that Doctorow deals with in his article. I liked the article very much, and recommend it – that link again:
Unjustified and Unprovoked? Russia’s ongoing ‘military operation’ in Ukraine

It is noteworthy that in the speech last night Vladimir Putin issued strong warnings against those in the West who may entertain thoughts of intervening in one way or another in the Ukrainian theater against Russia. The subtext is clearly Lithuania and Poland, where there have been official statements in recent weeks of willingness to assist resistance movements in Ukraine against any Russian imposed new order. The Russian response will be immediate and unlike anything the world has seen, per Putin.
Looking more generally at Vladimir Putin’s address to the nation last night, which came to 10 typed pages, somewhat less than half his address of Monday night, there is a change of tone, a still greater frankness over the misdeeds of the United States and its allies, a greater willingness to call a spade a spade. The “empire of lies” phrase is exemplary in this regard.
He takes to a new level of openness the explanation of how/why the United States was able to work its will in the 1990s and ignore Russian complaints over the trampling of its national interests.

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And so, Russia the surgeon is at work. Disturb him at your peril.
We pray for the good recovery of the patient – and I really shall pray, because increasingly I believe that Russia is engaged in a humanitarian enterprise aimed at the greater good of both itself and its neighbors, and that this will be often overlooked by observers.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 25 2022 7:13 utc | 310

Great article as usual, B! It’s been a long time since I’ve read your blog but knew this is where I could go to get sane analysis.
Having said that, I read an article that the US has 300 BIOWEAPONS labs scattered throughout the world and 15 of them in Ukraine, 3 in Kiev alone. Are you aware of this? And if so, might this also be a target for Russian annihilation?
As for the incompetent US and NATO psychopaths, they fucked around and found out! Honestly Im surprised President Putin showed as much restraint as he did
Could the sudden escalation have also been about Kiev upping the escalation on the Donbass? I noticed Putin’s deliberate “denazifying” Ukraine. As with another commenter here maybe a regime change and allowing citizens to vote on a referendum might be a positive change. I can’t believe that Ukrainians love their Neonazi gov. Although there are some Americans that love theirs so there’s that i guess
Rambling.
Thanks again. Look forward to continued updates

Posted by: kay | Feb 25 2022 7:17 utc | 311

ah, the ironies of history and of a failing US-Centralized Empire
Elijah Magnier makes a point I have thought of several times today – where have all those weapons and dollars gone? Of course, some of those billions were in fact siphoned off, going into the pockets of armament contractors, mercenary overlords, and gov’t officials in Ukraine…. the old trickle down M-I-C thing
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1496882810275180544?cxt=HHwWgMC5jYa__8UpAAAA
Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai
Well, it seems all the #US, #UK, #Frensh, #Canadian et al. weapons worth billions of dollars that were sent to #Ukraine in the last weeks were in fact sent for #Russia to take as a spoil of war as the Russian advance is so swift and decisive.
10:20 AM · Feb 24, 2022·

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 25 2022 7:23 utc | 312

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 6:59 utc | 362
“so I would hope that we can stop spreading fear by claiming it.”
That was my dilemma, raise a possible false alarm, or be quiet and let others get hit by whatever hit me
Thanks for your input. By the way, I too have been accessing The Saker
for days without a problem. And had been to his website more than once
in the hours before the problem. I use a VPN only.

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 7:23 utc | 313

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:36 utc | 343 — “Sheikh Imran Hossein’s take ( on Ukraine )…. ”
Thanks, Arch Bungle !!! Captivating exposition !!!
Nothing like an Iranian thought-leader to untangle,
to expose unspeakable evil hiding in dark places.
This is less about communism nor islamism than
about truthiness in things to do with human evil.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 25 2022 7:33 utc | 314

Wall Street Rallies as West Hits Russia With New Sanctions
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 22:54 utc | 182

Bad news is good news for low interest rates.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 25 2022 7:35 utc | 315

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 320
I think there are at present two significant issues in the minds of the majority of UN member states.
The first question concerns what is best for our own protection? Can we make reliance on a NATO? Or any other form of Western state military support?
Erdogan will remember the coup that nearly destroyed him had it not been for RF intervention. MBS will reflect on the current antagonism of his former sworn protector. Many states will reflect on Putin’s words with regard to the past action of the hegemon and its vassals and the degree to which the words do not reflect actions.
The second concern will focus on “Where lies our best opportunity?” Should we open our nation to Western interests and neoliberal plunder or should we seek reasoned co-operative exchange and reciprocal trade benefits?
I suspect the global response will be an increased desire to return to a multi-polar world in which power is moderated through the United Nations and international law not through a highly variable “International Rules Based Order” as dictated by the hegemon.
There will likely be increased interest in the BRI and related trade and development opportunities. It is the global south that will see the greatest economic growth in the future. The west is already in a state of decay and atrophy. Putin’s Special Operation has made clear there exist a great many paper tigers. Duplicitous, arrogant, self-concerned caricatures of honourable states. There must be a better way. All our lives depend on it.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 7:36 utc | 316

It’s interesting that Ze clown complained bitterly about the Ukies being left alone to fight the Russians. It’s like he expected otherwise. Wasn’t he paying attention when the leaders of the Free World said one by one that their soldiers would not be involved in Ukraine? Did he not believe them? Did he think there would be such a wave of emotion in the West that would compel the leaders to send in their armies? Or was he misled to believe it (by whom)? If he was, his naivety will cost his country dearly.
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi had a talk with Putin. That’s interesting too. Got to wonder if he was seeking advice or permission concerning the JCPOA.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 25 2022 7:41 utc | 317

On the colonellcasad’s telegram channel there are now photos of military vehicles with a different letter V, rather than Z like yesterday. Curiously, there were Chechen volunteers in the vehicles marked with V.
Starting to wonder if V is for Vendetta? :))) Chechens against Banderastanis.
Who says the Russians don’t have a sense of humour?

Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Feb 25 2022 7:53 utc | 318

Posted by: PJB | Feb 25 2022 6:27 utc | 358
Of course a plan was make far in advance, that’s how it works. Any nation should have, and so is the Pentagon well known for rooms filled with detailed planning for all eventualities.
Putin had no stomach to invade a nation which are his own people save for the western part with capital Lvov. For many months he tip-toed around all options of just protecting the Lugansk and Donetsk region and secure the Crimean peninsula. Putin and Russia gave diplomacy a chance. Kyiv and Zelensky let his own people down to fully follow the US/UK playbook and destroy the Minsk agreements. Emboldened by the war rhetoric of full support for Ukraine by certain western countries an full blabbermouth from Stoltenberg, Zelensky as actor got carried away by the triumph and standing ovation in Munich 2022, of all places.
Zelensky should have listened to Saakashvili who went through the same motions and emotions. Not being a NATO member, a Russian offensive would not trigger a Article 5 response. He knew this. Yet when all financial aid came pouring in plus a continue proces of full cargo plane with lethal weapons from NATO, Zelensky and his hardline advisors from the military and foreign office lived in an alternate world.
As the threats from the West were piled on higher, Putin started to realize that just securing the Donbas would trigger the same harsh sanctions. A limited invasion ran the risk that in a few years or a decade, Russia would be confronted by the same problem of NATO.
I believe Macron was serious and advancing towards a diplomatic solution. However, one minute before 12 o’clock he came to Moscow with empty hands, Washington and NATO Command would not budge.
The long conference table for discussion (not negotiation) was emblematic how far apart the views were kept.
With pain in his heart, contrary to what the western war hawks trash out, Putin in a public session of his NSC had no other option left. The heart of the corrupt elite in the political power base of Lviv and Kyiv had to be eliminated. A large incursion would also put many lives of his own forces at risk. A very tough decision for the survival of Russia had to be made.
Today’s appeal by president Zelensky is heart-wrenching to watch as many people are suffering distress. Zelensky must now realize he stands alone and will soon fall. He will not surrender as that would be a death sentence and military coup.
Hopefully the coming days will see a military settlement without extreme bloodshed. Lvov will live on as a Eastern partition of a smaller Ukraine. This event wil be Europe’s 9/11 and cannot be settled by NATO as the Afghanistan campaign too was an abject failure.
In the meantime all targets of zero-emission can be fed in the paper shredder. The planet edges closer to a major blow-back of dramatic proportion.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 8:00 utc | 319

Of course “Eastern partition” should read “Western partition” 🙂

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 8:04 utc | 320

@Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 8:00 utc | 374
“In the meantime all targets of zero-emission can be fed in the paper shredder. The planet edges closer to a major blow-back of dramatic proportion.”
Just what I have been thinking as I watch the geopolitical games continue, nations have bigger more urgent priorities it seems than save the climate niche upon which modern civilization was built.s

Posted by: Roger | Feb 25 2022 8:06 utc | 321

Spent the day writing a piece on this subject, “Ukraine – A Country Too Far” and in my research found lots of pages no longer available. In some cases I could still find things on youtube, but not at the source website, such as the BBC. Lots of good journalism being memory-holed it seems.
Some good documentaries to remind of the truth of Maidan
BBC Newsnight. Snipers at Maidan: The untold story of a massacre in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg
InsideOver (Italian Television). The hidden truth about Ukraine – Part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1NFI6TBH0
InsideOver (Italian Television). The hidden truth about Ukraine – Part 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rR2Fh1zWI
Lapotanok, Igor (Dir.) & Stone, Oliver (Prod.) (2016). Ukraine On Fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs

Posted by: Roger | Feb 25 2022 8:15 utc | 322

Yourmom
Where are you know you weasel?
Anonymous declare ‘cyber war’ against Russia
RT.com has also been targeted in what appears to be a widespread denial-of-service (DDoS) attack

https://www.rt.com/russia/550548-anonymous-cyber-war-russia/

Posted by: Zanon | Feb 25 2022 8:17 utc | 323

Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 25 2022 3:52 utc | 318:

….and
all the other trolls out in force today.

LOL! Yep, I have problem spelling out Brzęczyszczykiewicz too.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 25 2022 8:26 utc | 324

For the apoplectic trolls ==> Eduard Khil

Posted by: too scents | Feb 25 2022 8:52 utc | 325

mcohen | Feb 25 2022 8:23 utc | 378
On the matter of NATO unity and role Middle East, I have been watching Turkey. The western supported attempt of overthrow in July 2016 created a poisonous relationship with NATO. Erdogan/Turkey are under US economic sanctions for buying Russian S-400 anti-missile batteries (same as India w/o sanctions).
U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system | CNBC – Dec. 14, 2020 | — see date part of Pompeo’s scorched earth weeks after Trump was ousted.
Turkey and Israel have good relations with both Kyiv and Moscow – Tatar minority on Crimea and financial ties of oligarchs respectively.
Turkey signed a contract with Ukraine for delivery Bayraktar TB2 drones, deployed in conflict Azerbaijan-Armenia. Made crucial difference and seen as “Conqueror of Karabakh”. Putin was quite upset.
Turkey just recently made a royal visit to archenemy UAE, welcomed in Abu Dhabi and Dubai with deal for 18bn investments. Attempt to get Erdogan into the Abrahams Economic Accords with Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in the Salafist Gulf countries.
For now Erdogan offers mediation to both parties Zelensky and Putin. A blow to tourism in Turkey. Sits in a key position to make a difference East-West.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 9:11 utc | 326

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Feb 25 2022 8:36 utc | 381
Don’t let your tail hit you on the way out now …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 9:20 utc | 327

From Bloomberg:

Pozsar Says $300 Billion Russia Cash Pile Can Roil Money Markets
. Russia’s official reserves understate dollar exposure
. Hoard is large enough to substantially shift funding spreads
Russia still has about $300 billion of foreign currency held offshore — enough to disrupt money markets if it’s frozen by sanctions or moved suddenly to avoid them.
That’s according to Credit Suisse Group AG strategist Zoltan Pozsar, who parsed data from the Bank of Russia and financial markets to calculate the figure.
“When flows change, spreads can gap,” Pozsar wrote in a report Thursday. “If things escalate, it’s hard not to see a direct impact on FX swaps and U.S. dollar Libor fixings given Russia’s vast financial surpluses and where those surpluses are deployed.”

Archived link ==> https://archive.vn/woun4

Posted by: too scents | Feb 25 2022 9:31 utc | 328

Piotr Berman @ 328, Uncle Tungsten @ 330:
Ah, the house in Salisbury is the property of the British government which bought it to house its last owner, his wife and son, and the family pets.
One of the cats could still be alive though I would be surprised if it is – I recall reading that one cat and both guinea pigs were found dead in the house after police neglected to take them to the Salisbury vet who usually dealt with the animals’ health problems. The second car had escaped.
Sorry Uncle Tungsten, it did occur to me after I posted @ 319 that you mentioned the house in Salisbury as a suitable residence – but as Piotr B points out, Zelensky already has properties in London though how he obtained them merits closer scrutiny.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 9:38 utc | 329

@Malchik Ralf
Listen to your president Zelensky. Not in touch with reality and got sandwiched in the ploy of US war hawks and NATO parroting.
Today Zelensky pleaded for a cease fire as destruction takes an immense toll and Ukraine is losing much more than it gained from the Biden administration. Zelensky was willing to negotiate a neutral status with security guarantees.
Unfortunately Biden will not come to his senses, as VP he was the architect of the Feb. 2014 coup d’etat and had made political investment. Big words he could not back up with military force. Zelensky threw his people under the bus run by fascist from the West – Lvov.
As far as Russia, the train has left the station, 14 years of damage control and talks to the West were futile. NATO had declared Russia an enemy state and the term “pariah state” was introduced by the Atlantic Council – Ivo Daalder.

Just as the United States resolved in the aftermath of World War II to counter the Soviet Union and its global ambitions, Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Vladimir V. Putin’s Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world, limiting its expansionist ambitions in its own neighborhood and effectively making it a pariah state.
NATO Declares Russia Nr. 1 Adversary, Starts Troops Buildup | The Nation – May 1, 2014 | — into the 404 black hole? Found new link in archive …
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/cold-war-against-russia-without-debate/

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 9:40 utc | 330

Whut da heck is going on – I am in the middle of a huge purge of trolls here! Better get outta here b4 I am mowed down!

Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 9:41 utc | 331

@all
Took a brush and cleaned out some trolls.
The numbering will be affected.
-b.

Posted by: b | Feb 25 2022 9:53 utc | 332

Thx b … I nearly got censored from my home blog, member from 2005 on forward. 😖 I was too blunt criticising Churchill’s empire.
Breaking: As reprisal Russia will shut down air space for all British (civilian) aircraft … well expected … more to follow.
China has lifted all import restriction for Russian grain. The Aussies didn’t appreciate that. The AUKUS front.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 10:04 utc | 333

I was wondering why Russian forces were attempting to capture the Chernobyl nuclear plant, and now I know, the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis have blown up a small nuclear power station near Lugansk, there are roughly fifteen poorly managed nuclear power stations in Ukraine, they must be secured before a Western false flag event is staged using one of them.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2022 10:09 utc | 334

@all Took a brush and cleaned out some trolls.
The numbering will be affected. -b.
Posted by: b | Feb 25 2022 9:53 utc | 337c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 270
b, please consider asking commenters to reference other posts by using the date and time info.
For example,
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 320 changed to Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 270
after you cleaned up.
That indicates to me that you wiped out 50 posts.
Date and time stayed the same but post number changed.
It’s just impossible to follow conversations by post number only.
I’m likely just plowing the sea again, but responsible commenters copy and paste the entire ‘Posted by:’ line when referencing other posts!!!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 25 2022 10:19 utc | 335

Biden during the press conference with Bundeskanzler Scholz guaranteeing that Nordstream 2 will be blocked, removed any remaining reason for Russian restraint. Whatever Russia would do sanctions would be coming anyway.

Posted by: JR | Feb 25 2022 10:31 utc | 336

Sushi #313

One is forced to ask about recruitment and promotion to senior positions in Western governments. Truss, Macron, Sullivan, Trudeau. Where do they dig up these people?

The banks supply these people fully programmed and guaranteed on a function or replace contract. Scholz? You must do a search on andisearch.com for Cum-ex scandal. All will become clear after a small reading of the reports there.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 10:44 utc | 337

Posted by: b | #337
Thank you. Do sterilise the brush though.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 10:46 utc | 338

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 2:11 utc | 286
Not so. The Swiss (people), the French (people), it’s irrelevant. It’s Switzerland, it’s Slovakia, NOT the Slovakia. The reason we have the US, the Netherlands is because there might be other united states, there might be other lower country (netherlands). However we say Holland, NOT the Holland.
There is a controversy about Ukraine or the Ukraine (border land), which I am not going to discuss. Current rule is Ukraine as it uniquely identifies the country.

Posted by: RJB | Feb 25 2022 10:49 utc | 339

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 23:40 utc | 169
The Russians couldn’t exclude a war with US when the got into Syria. Now with the Zircons and the other stuff it doesn’t matter that much.
I think you mixed occasion with reason. The Russions already told that it’s not about Ukraina it is about their security concerns.
I think Peter Zeihan is right.
And for Ukraina that means the same as Dugin writes: Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because “Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics”. Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
We’ll see …

Posted by: schkid | Feb 25 2022 10:52 utc | 340

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 10:44 utc | 342
Sushi #313
[One is forced to ask about recruitment and promotion to senior positions in Western governments. Truss, Macron, Sullivan, Trudeau. Where do they dig up these people?]
“The banks supply these people fully programmed and guaranteed on a function or replace contract. Scholz? You must do a search on andisearch.com for Cum-ex scandal. All will become clear after a small reading of the reports there.”
This answer seems somewhat sophisticated. I have a simpler one. The nastiest shits float to the top of the bowl.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 25 2022 11:01 utc | 341

JustAnotherAussie | Feb 25 2022 11:01 utc | 346
Yep, that is fine with me too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 11:04 utc | 342

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 25 2022 11:01 utc | 346
“The nastiest shits float to the top of the bowl.”
Exhibit A: Australia

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:05 utc | 343

RT is suggesting Zelensky has reached out with an offer of neutrality after accusing NATO of being a bunch of cowards. Could be Putin’s way out of a quagmire, or it might have been planned with Z in advance… if so Z might turn out to be cleverer than previously thought.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:08 utc | 344

Just watch the ‘intense firefight’ footage on CNN. I’ve seen more action at a chook raffle in Dapto RSL. Looked staged to me. If that was a Ukrainian counter-attack this will be over by tomorrow.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:11 utc | 345

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:05 utc | 348
Exhibit A: Australia
I hope you realise I take that as a compliment 😀

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 25 2022 11:13 utc | 346

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Feb 25 2022 11:13 utc | 351
Mate, I’m talking about Morrison and Dutton and Payne… I can only say it because I’m probably up the road from you. All the barflies know I’m true blue. Like Uncle T, maaaate.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:19 utc | 347

Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:08 utc | 349
Zelensky realizes he has a target on his back both from Putin and the neo-Nazis groups. He pleaded with Macron, who made a call and talked to Putin. Like I had written, the train has left the station. Poland has offered Zelensky asylum. No air traffic, so he has to be extracted by military means. He would be a traitor to his cabal.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 11:41 utc | 348

RE: Roger | Feb 25 2022 8:15 utc
Posted some or all of those a while back, including copies elsewhere not behind an age-restriction sign-in requirement. Never got traction AFAIK.
Good example of how a false flag can be engineered where hundreds or even thousands are involved. They do not know anything of any real significance until it is too late.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2021-066.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef027880447154200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef027880447154200d
https://vk.com/video-102400135_456241142
https://vimeo.com/255911157
I know I posted the above two links, but cannot find it.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 25 2022 11:56 utc | 349

Some seem to have been wondering about Turkey’s ability to close the straits to Russian warships. Not possible according to Montreux Convention. Turkey’s foreign ministry:
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russia-has-right-to-pass-straits-even-if-turkey-closes-them-under-montreux-turkish-fm-171795

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 25 2022 12:01 utc | 350

@Zanon | Feb 25 2022 8:17 utc | 328

RT.com has also been targeted in what appears to be a widespread denial-of-service (DDoS) attack

I have 2 computers running side by side, sharing mouse and keyboard. One machine is running Linux Kubuntu, the other Windows 10. On both machines I use the Brave browser. I noticed RT.com was inaccessible on the Linux machine, but OK on Windows. Then I cleared the browse history and cache on the Linux machine and RT.com worked fine again. So maybe some bad Nuland cookie got in, but in my experience all you had to do was clear the cache to fix it. Maybe this helps some that have issues with RT.com

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 25 2022 12:31 utc | 351

Call me a pussy, but my impression is that the Russian operation is going too far.
Get me right: Securing the LDNR is absolutely legitimate, Smashing the Ukrainian military to make clear that their is no way back to pre attack conditions is at least somewhat okay too, the “demilitarization” part.
But the “denazification” is going too far, as far as it requires “nation building” by the RF. Putin’s rethoric calling the UA government “regime” went in a direction usually known from neocons.
Get me right: The Russian operation so far was overwhelmingly successful, with Z calling for negotiations, and offering neutrality. The Russians should take that opportunity, if the UA military ceases resistance, and agree to a ceasefire.
President Xi seems to advise in that direction, too.
Everything beyond would get the RF in the position of installing and running a UA government, which means they would have to pay for 404. That seem unreasonable to me.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 25 2022 12:42 utc | 352

Not so. The Swiss (people), the French (people), it’s irrelevant. It’s Switzerland, it’s Slovakia, NOT the Slovakia. The reason we have the US, the Netherlands is because there might be other united states, there might be other lower country (netherlands). However we say Holland, NOT the Holland.
There is a controversy about Ukraine or the Ukraine (border land), which I am not going to discuss. Current rule is Ukraine as it uniquely identifies the country.
Posted by: RJB | Feb 25 2022 10:49 utc | 344
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You want me to teach German, when its my mother tongue? Die Schweiz, die Niederlande (Holland is a Dutch province BTW), die USA, die Slowakei, die Ukraine. Interestingly, its “die Tschechei” but “Tschechien” without an article. It doesnt make any sense. But it is how it is. Nobody in Germany says “Ukraine” without an article. Example: “In Frankreich ist…” and “In der Ukraine sind…”. If you said “In Ukraine ist…” you would be recognized as a non native speaker.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 12:53 utc | 353

@Arioch #283
Perhaps you are unaware of the Anonymous twitter account – it has been constant throughout but what is tweeted has changed considerably.
So it isn’t the “brand”, it is the composition of whoever controls/accesses said Twitter account – among many other indicators.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 12:53 utc | 354

there are roughly fifteen poorly managed nuclear power stations in Ukraine, they must be secured before a Western false flag event is staged using one of them.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2022 10:09 utc | 339
15 nuclear reactors in Ukraine, all from Soviet times, are managed professionally and provided 50% of Ukrainian electricity, at low prices. They are all large, more than 1 GW power. If there was a small damaged reactor (did not hear about it in the situation digest this morning/Ukrainian afternoon), it could be a research reactor. But I did not hear about it.
Chernobyl reserve is the best border crossing, free of quagmires, to approach Kiev from north-west. In the unofficial situation digest, main forces reached the airborne group that landed in the airport of Antonov company, hence with huge runways but not for passenger traffic, 25 km NW of Kiev. Fighting of Ukrainian troops with the airborne Russian troops lasted all night.
Something very very weird was reported about Kiev. Armed groups, including unmarked armored vehicles, are active in the city, surrounded the parliament (Rada), and Zelikovky was “taken somewhere”. A lot of faked damage to apartment building (according to the video made by a Ukrainian in Russia).
Kharkiv (soon, Kharkov) was the main repair center for Ukrainian armored vehicles, now a lot of those vehicles ride through the city and around. That makes it problematic to use routes through Kharkiv, Russians advance on different routes toward mid-Dniepr (the segment between Kiev and big industrial cities like Dnipro, a lot of nuclear reactors in that area).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 13:02 utc | 355

@Sushi #321
You said

I think there are at present two significant issues in the minds of the majority of UN member states.
The first question concerns what is best for our own protection? Can we make reliance on a NATO? Or any other form of Western state military support?

I submit that your thesis is completely wrong.
The EU’s calculation is much simpler and in a completely different direction: How can we continue to underspend on defense while reaping the economic benefits of trade surpluses with the US?
As I have repeatedly noted: The EU has ensured that its core economic interests have not been damaged. Yes, there are sanctions on Russia but the bulk of EU-Russia trade (energy to EU, cars/luxury goods/etc to Russia) was never affected. Russians can only buy French cheese or Italian foods via 3rd country trade (Belarussian shrimp was a joke for a long time – Belarus doesn’t have any sea access, for example), but those were small potatoes compared to what Daimler or LVMH sells.

Erdogan will remember the coup that nearly destroyed him had it not been for RF intervention. MBS will reflect on the current antagonism of his former sworn protector. Many states will reflect on Putin’s words with regard to the past action of the hegemon and its vassals and the degree to which the words do not reflect actions.

Erdogan is so grateful that he is actively trying to subvert former Russian SSRs turned nations into conflict with other Russian SSRs turned nations. Azerbaijan/Armenia is only one example. Erdogan is the prototypical Turkish geopolitical fan dancer – he’ll do whatever he feels benefits him short term.
MBS in turn is such a geopolitical brainiac that he continues to lose in Yemen; started an oil price war with Russia in 2020. Shared oil interests with SA does not mean SA is trustworthy either – because ultimately “For Iron—Cold Iron—must be master of men all!”. Saudi Arabia relies on the US to counterbalance vs. Iran. Thus it doesn’t matter how much SA exports to the US or that China is the largest trade partner to SA; without US protection, SA is nobody compared to Iran’s population and military.

The second concern will focus on “Where lies our best opportunity?” Should we open our nation to Western interests and neoliberal plunder or should we seek reasoned co-operative exchange and reciprocal trade benefits?
I suspect the global response will be an increased desire to return to a multi-polar world in which power is moderated through the United Nations and international law not through a highly variable “International Rules Based Order” as dictated by the hegemon.

As noted above, I submit that your ideology based thesis is wrong.
The EU (and China for that matter) are far more pragmatic and focused on their economies.
Both the EU and China are enjoying massive trade surpluses from selling to the US and have not had to pay any serious price to date.
The EU pays a little more than lip service to US policies but ensures its core economic interests (US trade surplus, major trade areas with Russia etc) are not affected.
China is behind Russia – far behind – but is still focused on selling goods to the EU and US.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:08 utc | 356

I was shocked to see earlier today, was maybe around 8am British time, two brave “Baghdad Bob”s working for the ministry of disinformation, a.k.a, The British Brainwashing Corporation, who were claiming with straight face that:
1. Brave Ukraine/Ukranians are fighting everywhere the russian invasion (the Kiev-based one);
2. That the Russians are deprived from any information on their TV stations about the losses of their armed forces (the one in Moscow);
After following the whole night the telegram channels both Russian leaning, neutral, and (the Belorussian) opposition one which is suppporting Banderastan, it was clear to me that all of them were providing almost the same info (well, the oppo one was also pushing some fake, debunked as older events ones. Also, the russian channel – colonellcassad was not hiding the losses, that the a lot of the regular ukranians as well as army/navy ones were giving up.
It shocks me to think that the British government and its media cutouts such as BBC/Guardian/etc. treat their populace as children with an extra chromosome.

Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Feb 25 2022 13:11 utc | 357

Seems like Russia will be taking the Ukrainian ofer to negotiate in Minsk. https://twitter.com/PChernitsa_RIA/status/1497192284806389768
BREAKING: #Russia is ready to negotiate with #Ukraine in #Minsk – #Kremlin // #Москва готова к переговорам с Украиной – #Песков
If Russia agrees to this, then this operation was being used to apply pressure to force Minsk III + neutrality on Ukraine. Maybe this is the reason why Russia only committed a fracture of its forces and didnt initiate a full aerial campaign and only a limited missile attack before committing ground troops.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 13:11 utc | 358

It’s been reported that the Ukies are taking out Russian tanks with the Javelins the U.S. supplied them. Now, I’m assuming that in the planning stage of this operation, Russia conducted a reconnaissance of all weapons depots. So why didn’t the Russians take out those Javelins? I remember the shipment of Javelins being mentioned repeatedly by Zelensky during the Trump administration. Obviously, Trump sent them the Javelins and I would imagine that Russian intelligence would be tracking such a shipment.
So, if these weapons were overlooked, they better get on it and blow those Javelins away. The Russians should get rid of the damn Javelins already!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 13:11 utc | 359

@Oui #324
Macron had and has no capability to address geopolitical Russian concerns as set down in their December proposed treaties.
The long table was because Macron refused to allow COVID testing for fear of giving up his DNA, that’s all.
The entire affair was nothing more than electoral grandstanding by Macron – he is wobbly in France and hoped for a foreign policy distraction win.
Pretty clear that didn’t happen, and was never going to happen so long as the US refuses to acknowledge and address Russian concerns.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:12 utc | 360

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 12:53 utc | 358
Posted by: RJB | Feb 25 2022 10:49 utc | 344

German is complicated, I have no rules to offer. Österreich, Dänemark, Schweden without der/die/das, just to name a few. As Arne mentioned, “die Niederlander”, but simply “Holland”. Actually, in German it strikes me as awkward when somebody leaves out “der” before “Iran”, but I cannot say why. Logic is futile (if someone ever understands why in German spoon is male, fork is female and knife is a neutrum, drop me a line)
Bare with us whenever these “germanisms” diffuse into another language.

Posted by: TomD | Feb 25 2022 13:12 utc | 361

@Zanon #328
Given Anonymous’ hack of GiveSendGo’s Freedom Convoy donor list – pretty clear what tune they’re dancing to these days.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:14 utc | 362

@aquadraht #357
Your concern is understandable, but Scott Ritter put this best (on at least 2 appearances yesterday):
1) Did Russia go too far? No. Because putting troops in Donetsk would be equally viewed as a “Russian invasion”, and putting troops in Donetsk would not itself address any of Russia’s larger security issues in Ukraine.
So in for a penny, in for a pound (Ritter used “in for a dime, in for a dollar”).
2) So now that we have established that dipping a toe in wouldn’t accomplish anything while still reaping the “penalties” – why not just do a clean sweep?
I believe Ritter and others have thoroughly established that NATO and the US have ZERO capability, conventional military-wise, to stop any Russian military effort. And if that is so, the Ukrainian military is many steps down. Why not do “de-nazification” and “de-Communization”?
I have been watching even nominally reasonable US commentators like Breaking Points’ Saagar react with horror, but it is 100% clear that Saagar et al have not spent any significant effort in following the details of what Russia was asking for in the December proposed treaties, much less the 8 years’ of non-compliance/non-action vis a vis Minsk – nor are they cognizant of how the world has changed in the past 2,3 decades.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:22 utc | 363

Looks like http://www.rt.com has been DDoSed again.
http://www.rt.ru looks defaced to me, all from Germany. Can anybody confirm?

Posted by: TomD | Feb 25 2022 13:28 utc | 364

As I alluded to earlier in now post#270
It is now clear the sanctions are “Now go away or I will taunt you a second time”
Adam Tooze Chartbook on the sanctions

So long as your energy-related transactions are channelled through non-sanctioned non-US financial institutions, for instance a European bank, you are in the clear.
Biden meant what he said. These are a sanctions designed not to sanction.
Incredulously, I asked twitter for help. This does seem to be the correct interpretation of this piece of legalese. Furthermore, the political pressure for this carve-out comes from a specific source, as explained by this very helpful Bloomberg article from a month ago by Alberto Nardelli and Arne Delfs:
The German government has pushed for an exemption for the energy sector if there is a move to block Russian banks from clearing U.S. dollar transactions, according to documents seen by Bloomberg. People familiar with recent discussions said other major western European nations hold similar views. One official said that conversations since the documents were circulated suggest the exemption is likely to be part of a final package of penalties agreed with the U.S. that would be deployed in the event that Moscow invaded Ukraine.

As I and many others have noted: the EU and Germany in particular are heavily dependent on Russian natural gas and oil. NS2 had yet to flow a single cubic millimeter of gas – NS2’s role is future gas exports to Germany, not present ones (although it could be used for bypassing Ukrainian transit).
Holding up NS2 licensing is meaningless in terms of affecting the Russian economy today – not positive and certainly not negative.
The laundry list of exemptions for major areas of trade between specific EU countries and Russia in the previous (pre-attack) list of sanctions is also instructive.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:29 utc | 365

c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:12 utc |365
All true, I was aware of corona rules meeting Putin, it is symbolic how far apart the world views are.
Sending Macron to Moscow empty handed should be noted, France has the EU-27 presidency. I believe Macron is willing, he recently stated Russia is part of Europe and needed for Europe’s security. Right on!
Using him as a courier, Macron became a fig leaf for “diplomacy”.
The breaking news offer from Kyiv is at least a week too late. All trust between nations and persons has eroded. The man in the White House is the bottle neck. Biden is corralled by an ignorant US Congress who votes for Russian sanctions across the board with 3 opposing votes max … 1 vote in the House and 2 votes in the senate. Totalitarian states are up and ruining.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2022 13:32 utc | 366

Scholz: No cutoff from SWIFT for Russia on Reuters
In combination from the above – it is clear that the EU is unwilling to compromise its core economic interests in sanctioning Russia.
If anything, these “sanctions” are beneficial to the EU – rather than Russian banks handling payments, now payments must transact via European ones.
The effect is actually to hurt the US financial setup, if anything.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:33 utc | 367

The Maidan color revolution happened on Feb 22 2014. The Russians entered Ukraine on 22 Feb 2022. Coincidence? Do the Americans even see the significance? 🙂

Posted by: KKam | Feb 25 2022 13:36 utc | 368

@c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:22 utc | 368
Thanks for the comment. I admit that initially I was shocked by the extent of the operation, but giving it a second thought, and watching the Ritter piece, I tend to agree that it was the right thing to do. Smashing UA military and forcing demilitarization (especially, but not limited to disarming Nazis) and neutrality was prolly the right thing to do. Calling for the highest possible level of sanctions is smart either, calling the bluff and exposing the limits.
My point is about “denazification”. That requires the installation of a “pro Russian” government, in short, nation building. Such a government would not be recognized by the West, but Russia had to foot all the bills, and that government would have to meet the wrath of a populace thoroughly brainwashed over nearly two decades. This may easily overextend Russia and allow for the guerilla war Soros is dreaming from.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 25 2022 13:41 utc | 369

how accurate is the translation of Putin’s language referring to the Ukrainian “regime”?
the “denazification” thing is a mistake. big mistake.

Posted by: Rae | Feb 25 2022 13:44 utc | 370

Posted by: librul | Feb 25 2022 6:44 utc | 309
i’d suggest you to turn off all telemetry in Firefox
https://the-arioch.livejournal.com/99178.html
they implemented Telemetry in blocking way, i mean, if your Firefox got a bancu h of data about you that Firefox Project should look into, then it stops its other jobs and starts pushing that packet to Mozilla telemetry inbox. Normally you do not notice it as telemetery data packets are small. But once upon a time their servers got overflooded and they can not receive those packets from you for few hours. During thos hours all Firefox browsers in the world with default settings stop working.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 13:44 utc | 371

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 12:53 utc | 358
Some nationalists within the former USSR have a HUGE stick up their arse about translating their own linguistic mores to third languages.
I don’t know if this is an exact case or the same effect from a different cause.
Main pattern: Don’t say X in Bacterian because it’s said like Y in Tomeinian (often scolding a Fanelian who couldn’t care less)
Secondary pattern: Don’t say X in Bacterian because it’s said like Y in Tomeinian and it used to be Z in Galbadian (again, often scolding a Fanelian)
I mean, they’re free to pursue exerting such pressure, and languages do change as a result of speakers’ actions.
But those on the other end are also entirely free to tell them “get the fuck off of my language” or “I couldn’t care even if I tried”.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 25 2022 13:46 utc | 372

http://www.rt.ru looks defaced to me, all from Germany. Can anybody confirm?
Posted by: TomD | Feb 25 2022 13:28 utc | 369
RT.RU is RosTelecom a large phone+internet+everythiong provider
it has nothing with Russia Today

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 13:46 utc | 373

we have reached peak brain melt in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/putin-facing-efforts-isolate-diplomatically-ukraine
Apparently, one Patrick Wintour, a diplomatic editor for the UK gov other misinformation central place called the guardian, writes that “(diplos) are looking for way to remove Russia’s right to a permanent seat of the UN security council due to (something or other bullshit)”.
Is that even possible?

Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Feb 25 2022 13:50 utc | 374

@c1ue | Feb 25 2022 13:29 utc | 370
An excellent point just made by the Duran duo in their regular chat format.
Nordstream II (going to be blocked by the USA sanctions) is now largely redundant in any case because the new neutral/friendly Ukraine Federation, set to emerge out of this cleanup, will likely permit existing gas network maintenance and upgrades to handle volume increases — i.e., the Russians (&Germans) win in any case and the USA LNG gas export market hopes will fail to materialise.
(Source: “Zelensky ready to negotiate with Russia (Live)” — https://youtu.be/3H6vffCdQpk)

Posted by: imo | Feb 25 2022 13:51 utc | 375

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 25 2022 11:08 utc | 349
I have thought for some time that Zelenski was a puzzle and probably no fool.
First we know he was a comedian and generally comedians are pretty smart and understand human nature- if they are any good. Not slapstick types but real comedians.
Secondly we know he originally was elected on a platform of making peace with Russia. Now while he did not follow through on this, his situation was very, very difficult, and there is no reason to assume that his original leaning were not still there. So he was weak or at least heavily constrained rather that hostile.
Third, he clearly grasped the danger from Russia and was anxious to avoid conflict if possible.
Fourth, he has been honourable in that he has not yet fled Kiev. Better than that Afghani puppet anyway.
Fifth he has apparently made some noises about negotiation.
So I am not at all sure about him, but I suspect that he us weak rather than venal and may be part of the solution.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 25 2022 13:53 utc | 376

Some economic facts which it seems few people are aware of:
Oil:
While Russia is the 3rd largest oil producer in the world, it was the 2nd largest oil exporter in 2020. SA is #1, Canada is #4, Iraq is #3, Iran is #5, , UAE is #6, Nigeria is #7.
Russia exports as more oil than the UAE and Nigeria put together but less than Iran and the UAE together.
Canada’s exports go almost exclusively to the US; the US overall consumes more oil than it produces.
Thus a cutoff of Russian oil from the EU, much less the world markets, would have enormous negative consequences for everyone except the US. It would be an economic kneecapping.
Natural Gas:
Total natural gas exports in the entire world in 2021: 957 bcm
Russian natural gas exports in 2021: 541 bcm
Pretty clear cutting off Russian natural gas exports via actual interruption or SWIFT cutoff is only going to either crush economies or spur massive redirection of money flows into China/Russia clearing systems.
Metals, Fertilizer:
The Uncomfortable Truth About Sanctioning Russia

Reuters published a factbox about Russia’s weight in international commodity trade this week, according to which, as of last year, Russia supplied some 6 percent of the world’s aluminum, 4 percent of the world’s cobalt, and 3.5 percent of the world’s copper.
Nornickel, the metals giant, is the world’s largest nickel miner, supplying 7 percent of global output but also the world’s largest palladium miner and one of the top platinum miners.
That’s not all, either, because Russia also produces 4 percent of global steel output and a tenth of global gold output. Sanctions against its mining industry would, in all likelihood, lead to even higher commodity prices.
Yet besides metals—and oil and gas, which are the most obvious and most problematic sanction targets—Russia is also a major producer of fertilizers, accounting for 13 percent of the global total. It is also, critically, the world’s largest producer of wheat.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:01 utc | 377

@ watcher
I too think that Russia wont force regime change, that would open a can of worms, because the new govt would be seen as Moscow’s puppets without legitimate elections. Z is not outright hostile to Russia, his hands were tied by the nationalists and nazis who were used by the US to put pressure on him to not enforce Minsk2. In this way, Russia can actually help Z to get rid of the constraints. If Germany/France commit to Urkaine’s neutrality and Minsk3, support a deal between Z and Putin, it will be the best outcome. This actually will bring Germany and France closer to Russia via same interests in supporting a neutral Ukraine. The losers would be the US and its right wing proxies in Ukraine. However, I think Russia will stay in Tchernobyl to make sure Ukraine cant build a dirty nuke and they may keep the airport close to Kiev for a while.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 14:07 utc | 378

U.S. Treasury Announces Unprecedented & Expansive Sanctions Against Russia, Imposing Swift and Severe Economic Costs

Treasury is taking unprecedented action against Russia’s two largest financial institutions, Public Joint Stock Company Sberbank of Russia (Sberbank)and VTB Bank Public Joint Stock Company (VTB Bank), drastically altering their fundamental ability to operate. On a daily basis, Russian financial institutions conduct about $46 billion worth of foreign exchange transactions globally, 80 percent of which are in U.S. dollars. The vast majority of those transactions will now be disrupted. By cutting off Russia’s two largest banks — which combined make up more than half of the total banking system in Russia by asset value — from processing payments through the U.S. financial system. The Russian financial institutions subject to today’s action can no longer benefit from the remarkable reach, efficiency, and security of the U.S. financial system.

link ==> https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0608
It should be remembered that the technical cause of the 2008 financial collapse was money market funds breaking the dollar.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 25 2022 14:07 utc | 379

@aquadraht #374
Re: denazification
Putin/Russia is going to do what they’re going to do, but I do not agree that installing a puppet government is the only way to accomplish the goal.
The reality is that Pravy Sektor’s and Svoboda’s influence in Ukraine was outsized for several reasons:
1) Brownshirts – Azov and other militias
2) US State Department, CIA and NGOs
3) Incumbent role in the original Maidan
Destruction of Azov et al has (literally) cut the heart out of the brownshirts.
Demonstration of the ineffectiveness of US support, coupled with the evacuation of US personnel to Poland and destruction of their now empty bases in Ukraine will significantly diminish the impact of 2)
Termination of the existing Ukraine government greatly diminishes 3)
So the question is: what would a “new” Ukrainian government look like without the above 3 influences? Even disregarding Russian thumbs on the political scales, I suspect it will be very different.
Don’t forget that Ukraine has seen the same population drain as other “liberated” Eastern European countries. A lot of the young, more Western oriented people have already left.
Are the Ukrainians today still of the belief that joining the EU or becoming democratic is going to make their lives better?
The last decade, for that matter the last 3 decades, would indicate otherwise.
I’m not pretending to know, just pointing out that it should not be assumed that the Ukrainian government of pre-2/22/22 is in fact representative of the will of the Ukrainian people.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:14 utc | 380

Some additional thoughts: I see a US, UK, Baltics & Poland bloc trying to disrupt trade between Russia and Germany / Italy (France supports both) & politically isolate Russia. They won the first round by killing NS2. But will they win the 2nd round? In all this mess, they are the current enemies of peace, because they have the most to lose.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 14:18 utc | 381

It seems likely that Zelensky has not been entirely in control of his military, very possible his military has been directly coordinating with US – some combination of US military and CIA I would think. He has been in the role of appearing to be in charge. I suspect if he were to surrender (the obvious decision given circumstances) he would not live long – more importantly, the decision would be moot as he does not control the military.
So Russia may do well to get him to a safe location where he can accept the terms of surrender and ask that his country cease to resist. I imagine that elements of the military will continue to fight a guerilla war and will take some time to irradicate.

Posted by: jared | Feb 25 2022 14:19 utc | 382

They NPP are all large, more than 1 GW power. If there was a small damaged reactor …
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 13:02 utc | 360
Not quite true. AFAIR the first two reactors in the west-most Rovno (Rivne) NPP are VVER-440 not VVER-1000
As for small station near Lugansk i believe it is about a usual thermo-PP (charcoal and/or gas).
It was located in Kiev-occupied part of LPR and few days ago (day of recognition perhaps? not sure) UkroWehrmacht set it on fire (some ppl looking at first photos said that only voltage convertor was, which is a complex and expensive unit, but separate from the rest of the station, so could be subject to quick replacement after the war). I don’t know if rumors of “small nuclear reactor” damaged near Lugansk was born as a sincere mistake or as informaitonal terrorism. Neever heard anything about nuclear reactors in Lugansk oblast before, nor any confirmatino about damaged NPP in Ukraine later

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 14:22 utc | 383

@imo #380
It is a valid point, but it does not change the economic value of NS2.
Even were Ukraine to become a “good” Russian ally, it would still want to get transit fees for Russian gas going to Western Europe.
Ukraine gained $2B from natural gas transit in 2020 alone; 2021 would be higher.
But the economic cost isn’t the only one.
Why would Russia or Germany want to remain hostage to Soviet era natural gas transit bottlenecks? A friendly Ukraine today does not mean a friendly Ukraine tomorrow, as the history since 2010 clearly shows.
Furthermore, a bottleneck through Ukraine is also a geostrategic vulnerability: gas going through Ukraine still has to pass through Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania. Are those countries necessarily more reliable from a Russian standpoint? Hungary maybe, the other 3 – not at all clear.
Ultimately, though, NS2 is for the future.
Germany/Scholz halt of licensing doesn’t really mean that much … yet.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:25 utc | 384

Could one major reason, if not the major reason, the Russians have attacked certain military sites among others in Ukraine be that these sites are hosting research laboratories for cultivating biological weapons?
Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 3:49 utc | 315 (now 265!)

As I have commented several times in the last couple of weeks, I definitely believe Russia will deal with the bio labs – and I believe these are surely a far more important and urgent motivation for such a large scale operation than dealing with de-militarisation and de-nazification, most important as they both are. It is surprising they have been virtually unmentioned throughout – but that may reflect the delicacy and difficulties of the required operations.
The bio labs have to be neutralised – and investigated and bio criminals prosecuted – without risk of releasing bio pathogens. Therefore there is no chance they will simply be struck with stand-off weapons just like any other target. I have previously speculated Russia has probably developed special weapons for the task, perhaps generating extreme heat and little explosive power, or whatever – by still specialised special forces teams must be ready to go in immediately and finish the operation, secure any potential pathogens not destroyed, secure evidence, and capture any survivors for trial. Detailed evidence collection would be critically important not just for the trial of captives, but far more importantly to ensure international pressure to justify the international neutralisation of all other US and UK bio labs.
I am sure Russia has already carried out such operations against all bio labs in Ukraine, they certainly won’t be tardy about it. But the cleanup and collection of evidence will no dobt take a long time, and the analysis of the evidence much longer. Lugar lab in Georgia is surely next …

Posted by: BM | Feb 25 2022 14:30 utc | 385

Sushi @242 (referring to my comment now @186) I don’t know, the banks appear to be toughing it out. And on the bright side, Ottawa city-centre is having a do-over of Valentines Day on March 14. Perhaps a bit alarmist from the Conservative?
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/cibc-smashes-q1-profit-estimates-plans-to-split-shares-1.1728651
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ottawa-reschedules-valentines-day-freedom-convoy
(And Minister of Canadian Heritage Pablo Rodriguez is elected from Montréal)
Alberta balances budget for first time since 2014 on oil surge
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/alberta-aiming-for-budget-rebound-on-soaring-oil-and-natural-gas-prices-1.1728077
Canada is home to the largest Ukrainian population outside Ukraine, with roughly 345,000 in Alberta. [sounds weird to me but that’s what it says in this article]
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/ukrainians-in-calgary-cry-out-for-support-after-russian-invasion-1.5795027
‘A knot in my stomach’ reports the Guardian on the Ukrainian-Canadian reaction
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/canada-ukrainian-community-russia-invasion
Deputy PM Freeland gets emotional
https://mobile.twitter.com/cafreeland/status/1496984384917975042

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 25 2022 14:34 utc | 386

The Russian forces control the air above Ukraine. They hold Antonov Airport which has become a base for any advance on Kiev. Peskov says they are willing to negotiate surrender but neutralisation and denazification must be included.
From now on any place the Russians take will become bargaining chips. Probably including Odessa.

Posted by: dh | Feb 25 2022 14:36 utc | 387

This article concurs with your assessment watcher, that Zekenski might well provide an ideal solution…
https://www.indianpunchline.com/ukraines-hybrid-war-is-mutating/

Posted by: Steve | Feb 25 2022 14:36 utc | 388

Posted by: watcher | Feb 25 2022 13:53 utc | 381
I also admit I have a newfound respect for Zelenski, since the beginnings of this shitshow, and I think he has at least SOME of a drive to do the right thing.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 25 2022 14:36 utc | 389

Whut da heck is going on – I am in the middle of a huge purge of trolls here! Better get outta here b4 I am mowed down!
Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 9:41 utc | 336

Yea, that was quite a slash from that big sharp Occam that I just pulled you clear from just in time!

Posted by: BM | Feb 25 2022 14:36 utc | 390

And on Canadian sanctions: Foreign Affairs minister Joly reports hundreds of permits have been canceled as Canada closes off exports to Russia.
I would like to echo b’s political harikari remark about NS2 — these will either be cancelled or put in a warehouse like that weapons shipment to the Kurds. Not going to happen.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 25 2022 14:38 utc | 391

@c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:14 utc | 385
Good thoughts, and to add that: The influence of Ukronazis was always mainly due to their raw power, not by overwhelming popular support. So it may be that they now, emasculated, lose even more of their influence.
Yet every UA government has to face that the country is broke, and on selfish life support by IMF and EU which is not unconditional. The job of governing UA is a desperate one. Executed by a government installed on Russian gun barrels does not make it easier. So better leave it to Z.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 25 2022 14:40 utc | 392

A last note on economics:
People in the US and EU – both PMC and regular people – seem to be economic idiots.
If we look at mercantilist policies of the past – US, Japan, China today, etc. they are characterized by the following:
1) Import barriers – tariffs on non-essential (i.e. productive) imports
2) Currency manipulation – keep your currency low vs. the trade target’s so that you can achieve higher labor competitiveness as well as trade good pricing advantage
Now consider the sanctions the US and EU have imposed on Russia, and Russia’s low USD/ruble exchange rate.
How exactly is this different than the above?
The financial sanction regime works when the target country is disorganized and technologically too backward to execute import substitution, or if the target country owes a lot of dollar debt. Venezuela clearly falls in the backward category; Iran is clearly somewhat above the line where sanctions hurt but don’t cripple. Countries with large dollar debts get into a spiral of falling exchange rates making interest and principle repayments harder and harder –> impossible, but that doesn’t describe Russia at all.
So is Russia really going to be hurt by sanctions?
Even if Russia wasn’t such a key player in energy, I am not at all sure Russia would be – particularly with the economic support of China.
“Don’t Throw Me In The Briar Patch!”

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:42 utc | 393

@aquadraht #397
Indeed. It may well be that Zelensky’s original platform was rendered impossible by the role of “adverse elements” in the government and NGO-scene in Ukraine.
And that the neutralization of these elements would allow him to do what he originally ran for office on.
It would be hard for the West/MSM to characterize him as a Russian puppet since he was in office BEFORE the Russian incursion, but I’m sure that would happen anyway.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 14:46 utc | 394

Big problem is that various national defense organizations (govt. and non-govt) are handing out assault rifles and ammunition to anyone who wants them in a number of major towns. This is already having an adverse effect, civilians shooting civilians in areas that aren’t even in the zone of the military operation. There are even kids with guns running around, 15, 17 etc. Banditry is going to be rampant.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 25 2022 14:49 utc | 395

@357 aquadraht
I think you don’t get how Ukraine has become a de facto member of NATO regardless of the official public rigamarole and how strategically important it is to USNATO in containing Russia as a world power. This unofficial Natofication of Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia.
From your comment you don’t seem to get how every day this threat has been increasing and how the goal of the UkieNeonazis is the destruction of Russia by all means including through NATO and influencing Ukraine’s government in the direction of that goal.
How else can Russia ensure that doesn’t happen without involvement in that government guaranteeing absolute neutrality, eliminating the influences hostile to Russia?
I don’t see a cosmetic, one-dimensional solution here. We’re talking about a country bordering Russia with NATO all around it, so it’s disingenuous on your part to throw in Neocon.
Ukraine is not some country like Iraq was or Iran is that were targeted merely to grow U.S. hegemonic interests. Russia IS like Iran in the crosshairs, and more so, being a world power antithetical to U.S. interests.
If this Russian Operation appears to resemble strategy from the Neocon playbook, then Russia can bring up Iraq and Libya, where regime change occurred; and ask: how were these two an existential threat to the U.S. and NATO (albeit in Iraq’s case NATO went under the guise of coalition of the willing)?
Let’s be fair, frank and truthful. In this case, Russsia is Iraq, Libya and Iran fighting back with all the might Russia, unlike the others, is fortunate to possess; the military might and ingenuity required to defeat the behemoth, USNATO, via Ukraine as that is the tool the former is using. Therefore, eradicating all traces of allegiance to the behemoth is essential.
Putin understands how the infiltration of USNATO cunningly operates. Half measures just don’t cut it and are waste of treasure only to have the snake regenerate later. The tumor must be completely excised; idem for the head of the snake.
Putin is precisely doing what is required.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2022 14:53 utc | 396

if someone ever understands why in German spoon is male, fork is female and knife is a neutrum, drop me a line
Indeed, ridiculous. In a sensible language, spoon = łyżka is feminine, fork = widelec and knife = nóż are both masculine, city = miasto is neutral. For other obvious reason, island in feminine, peninsula is masculine.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 14:56 utc | 397

Also various insane instructions being given out through official channels. Civilians are asked to prevent armored and armed formations from moving by any means necessary. Similarly, instructions to apprehend any civilian suspected of assisting the Russian operation — in particular, anyone caught filming anything. As you can imagine, everyone who has a phone has it out and is filming if there’s anything going on, so everyone is suspect.
Already, these insane instructions are causing mayhem, with people fighting each-other over phones or getting hurt trying to block armored vehicles with their cars or jumping in front of them. Ironically, it’s not always reasonable to discern whose side the armored vehicles belong to, so it’s disrupting the movement of Ukrainian vehicles always.
Ukrainian msm, which has all evacuated abroad afaik, is publishing instructions on how to make molotovs and asking people to throw these out of their windows at the oncoming Russian hordes. I’m sure that’s not going to lead to thousands of people getting burned alive, if they don’t draw fire in response.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 25 2022 14:59 utc | 398

“When a prediction proves erroneous, a decent respect for your colleagues requires at least an explanation.” Prof. Michael Brenner
[excerpt of his self-description – full version https://sites.pitt.edu/~mbren/Background.htm ]
Consultant to United States Departments of Defense and State, Foreign Service Institute and Mellon Bank on multilateral diplomacy, peace keeping by multinational organizations, and political risk assessment.
Prof. Brenner writes:
Friends & Colleagues
When a prediction proves erroneous, a decent respect for your colleagues requires at least an explanation.
cheers
Michael Brenner
mbren@pitt.edu
SOMETHING HAPPENED
My muse knocked at dawn. Exhausted after catching the redeye from Moscow and then diverted over Finland. He insisted on a full breakfast before whispering in my ear. A week pulling up the grass roots from the permafrost in Gorky Park while subsisting on borscht and boiled cabbage had drained him.. Reanimated, the Truth began to flow – in short, staccato sentences with none of the usual refinements and subtle similes.
Context and background are everything in understanding the Russian attack. Look at the process of decision as dynamic over time rather than sharply focused in the immediate.
Putin is not a dictator. He cannot simply choose a course of action and give commands a la Stalin. Never has been. He has great authority; yet, at the same time, he represents the underlying convictions, thoughts and interests of powerful people in and around the government. Most of them were seated in that semicircle at St. Catherine’s Hall for the televised meeting of the Russian Security Council.
They, along with most all of Russia’s political cum economic class, have felt deeply humiliated by what they see as the shabby, patronizing treatment they have received from the West – led by a crass America – since 1991. The insults in word and action have hit them nonstop since 2014, reaching a crescendo from March 2021 onward. They have known full well that the aim is to denature Russia as a political cum diplomatic power in Europe – and beyond. The West want it neutralized and marginalized so that the U.S. can remain master of Europe as it prepares for a titanic struggle with China for global supremacy. Unfettered access to Russia’s wealth of natural resources is a bonus.
Concrete security concern have sharpened progressively as Washington has broken a series of major arms control agreements, expanded NATO, connived to replace friendly governments with American proxies via the notorious “color revolutions,” sought to undercut energy ties with European states, and deployed advanced weapons systems (above all, the anti-missile systems in Poland and Rumania able to be converted into offensive missile launchers), and via its ‘rules-based international order’ sloganeering and democracy vs autocracy campaign make explicit its intention to do everything possible to rig the game of world politics in its favor.
Ukraine, they believe, became the occasion (not the cause) to pin down a Russia whose growing strength discomforted and annoyed the Americans. It represented a conscious decision of the Biden administration under the sway of reborn Cold Warriors in State, the NSC, the CIA and the Pentagon. The triumph of their will in a government bereft of contrary voices and led by a weak, manipulable President was a sure thing. The Ukraine anti-Russia operation began in March with the Washington encouraged build-up of Ukrainian military forces along the Donbass Line, delivery of large quantities of arms including Javelin anti-armor weapons, renewed talk of heavy economic sanctions, and a chorus of shrill rhetoric from all quarters in Washington and Brussels.
The American objective of putting Russia back in its subordinate place was taken as an obvious given by the Kremlin. Uncertainty existed on the question of what initiatives on the ground to expect: a major assault on the Donbass or provocative acts to force a Russian reaction that could be used as a pretext for imposing sanctions (above all, the cancelling of NORDSTROM II).
It is likely that senior policymakers in Washington themselves had not made a definitive judgment on the issue. Divisions among individual players and a wavering President could very well left have important matters unresolved within a soft, cloudy consensus. There was visible evidence of this in the repeated juxtaposition, and alternation, of bellicose rhetoric and Biden’s mollifying words in public and the “let’s not go to war” telephone conversations he initiated to Putin and reaffirmed at their Geneva Summit.
In Moscow, too, there likely were differences of opinion – or, more accurately, of emphasis. They surely led to some divergences over what actions Russia should take. It is essential to bear in mind that Putin himself seems to have been closer to the dovish end of the continuum among Security Council members on the overarching issue of how to deal with the U.S., with the West, and particularly Ukraine. One could imagine a gradual hardening of thinking among all individuals as tensions mounted and frustrations grew in the Kremlin. A Putin, who might have been trying to fashion an approach that reconciled his own wariness about military confrontation with genuine worry about the threats to Russian security presented by Washington’s hardline, might have found himself in a quandary. I suspect that American official have very little understanding of this reality or appreciate its implications.
That could explain the promulgation of that strange position paper/demarche wherein he laid out in detail a list of demands for a drastic revision of Europe’s security configuration punctuated by an emphasis on time urgency. That is to say, a Hail Mary to stay the hand of a growing consensus that the time had come for Russia to hit back at the West in the Ukraine. Two things perhaps tipped Putin’s thinking into accepting the necessity of doing what he did. One was the West’s unbending and unaccommodating response. The other, was the Ukrainians’ launching an unprecedented artillery and mortar barrage against the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. Who forced that fateful step? Elements of the Ukraine Army and/or security services? The AZOV brigade and associated parties? Zelensky? With how much encouragement from the CIA and/or the White House?
Michael Brenner

Posted by: Housedoc | Feb 25 2022 15:10 utc | 399

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:11 utc | 114

Surprised? I’m sure at least some of you at least felt a bit of the cognitive dissonance, similar to the one Western left felt when Stalin signed alliance with Nazi Germany in 1939 and happily split Poland.

USSR sought to ally itself with UK and France against any further military adventures by the 3rd Reich. USSR attempt at alliance was spurned, primarily by the UK which was much more favourable to Hitler and the economic opportunities presented by German industrial development. The UK position was consistent with that of UK foreign policy over the prior century which was to manoeuvre rising competitors into conflict so as to ensure the UK remained dominant.
The UK would have been quite happy to see Germany and Russia destroy themselves. Stalin recognized this and sought to protect Soviet interests. Fearing 3rd Reich aggression, and still engaged in a military build up and preparations for war, Stalin choose to sign a pact with Hitler to avoid immediate conflict.
During the period of the “phony war” the UK and France jointly planned to bomb USSR oil fields in the Caucasus at Baku and Grozny. This attack was set to launch but was forestalled by the May 10th German attack on France and the Low Countries.
If the attack on France had been delayed by a week, it is highly likely we would all be speaking German today. The history of the world would have taken a very different path.
You need to study a little more history before telling the MoA barflies how they should feel.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 15:10 utc | 400