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February 24, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 1

On February 15 Professor John J. Mearsheimer gave a talk (video) about the Ukraine crisis. He starts out (at 3min) by explaining who has caused it:

The United States, mainly, and its allies are responsible for this crisis.

I recommend to watch it in full.

Like me and many other analysts Mearsheimer did not expect that a Russian move into the Ukraine would happen. Why the Russian government finally decided to take that step is not clear to me. I believe that Zelensky's lose talk about acquiring nuclear weapons for the Ukraine was one of the decisive factors. Who told Zelensky to come up with that?

The Russian operation started with a volley of cruise missiles that destroyed air defense radars and missiles, military airports, ammunition depots and some military harbor. The followed ground attacks by armored forces from Belarus southward, form Russia westward and from Crimea northward. These progressed well though some tanks got destroyed by anti-tank missile fire. The ground moves have air cover and heavy artillery moving up behind them.

This map does not show the progress of the operation but a likely operational plan the Russian military might have.


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The plan seems to be to a. take Kiev, b. encircle the 60,000 strong Ukrainian force that was preparing to attack Donbas c. take the coast. 

A large fleet of helicopter with Russian parachuter took the Antonov / Hostomel airport some 20 miles from Kiev. They did not even bother with CNN filming them. A fleet of transport planes from Russia will soon land there and deliver more forces.

The nuclear reactors at Chernobyl have been secured by Russian troops.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claims Russian aircraft have destroyed, 83 ground targets, 2 Ukrainian Su-27s, 2 Su-24s, 1 helicopter, 4 Bayraktar TB-2 drones. One Ukrainian Su-27 has landed in Romania. The pilot was probably not interested in getting killed.

The Ukrainian air-defenses, airforce, navy, most large command and control elements and depots have ceased to exist. The moral of its ground troops will be generally low though some of the Nazi battalions may still be willing to fight.

It is not know yet how far the attack from the north has reached towards Kiev. The attack from Russian mainland is currently fighting around Kharkiv, the Ukraine's second biggest city. The most successful attack was from Crimea as it has progressed significantly. The canal which provides water to Crimea and had since 2014 been blocked by the Ukraine has been liberated. Dnieper water is again flowing to the island.

Russia has so far only committed a relatively small ground force. More troops will follow when the first echelons make more progress. Russia has held back from using ballistic missiles and only used cruise missiles. That is probably a message to the 'west' that Russia could escalate if needed.  There has also been little use so far of Russia's electronic warfare elements. Internet and telephone are working in all of the Ukraine except for Kharkiv which seems to have Internet problems.

The Russian stock market is down but gold, oil and gas are up and Russia has so far lost zero money.

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. Its is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.

Comments

Details on US White House anti-Russia actions are here – here’s a taste

The United States and our Allies and partners will emerge from this stronger, more united, more determined, and more purposeful.
And Putin’s aggression against Ukraine will end up costing Russia dearly — economically and strategically. We will make sure of that. Putin will be a pariah on the international stage. Any nation that countenances Russia’s naked aggression against Ukraine will be stained by association.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 0:56 utc | 201

Report from TASS on Lavrov’s meeting with his Pakistani counterpart:
“‘We held tense and detailed discussions with our American colleagues and with other NATO members. We hope that there is still a chance to return to international law and international commitments. And, considering that we are taking measures announced by the president to ensure the security of the country and the Russian people, we, undoubtedly, will always be ready for a dialogue that will return all to justice and principles of the UN Charter,’ Lavrov said at a meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi.
“As Lavrov pointed out, the West shows no respect for international law and Western countries are demonstrating ‘their appetite for the entire planet’ with their strategies in the Indo-Pacific region.”
Clearly, the primary foreign policy goal of Russia and China is to get the Outlaws to change their ways and return to the commitments they signed in 1945. Russia just acted within the UN system. But you won’t read that in any Western publication.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 0:57 utc | 202

TQ Collins said earlier;
“By no means am I cheerleading this incursion, but I’m also not like some of the idiots fooling themselves into thinking that this wasn’t an inevitable consequence of USUKNATO skullduggery and broken promises.”
Exactly mirrors my thoughts, thanks!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 25 2022 0:57 utc | 203

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 0:39 utc | 245
…which is quite weird as the whole concept of “The Anonymous hacking group” makes no sense.
The Anonymous “movement” (rather, mindset) as crystallized on AIBs (anonymous image-boards) is ultra-individualist and ultra-antimoral (everything has to be done “just for fun”, or you are petty addicted “moralfag”).
Whoever says “we, collective” and “we take revenge for” is anti-anonymous.
They even used to say “Anonymous is not your personal army” albeit that is missed from https://archive.org/stream/RulesOfTheInternet/RulesOfTheInternet..txt
Whoever are behind that twitter account they are hyping one someone’s else deeds, at best, and are decoys (like Guccifer 2.0 after original Guccifer)

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:58 utc | 204

The CIA’s 70-year history in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRicZc-cZ0I
A nine minute segment from Part 2 of Doug Valentine’s The CIA As Organized Crime. For 70 years the CIA has been working to undermine and occupy Ukraine to bring down Russia using such things as paramilitaries, right wing Nazi groups, corrupt politicians and businessmen, coups, and warfare in the eastern Ukraine region of the Donbass.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 1:00 utc | 205

Melkiades | Feb 25 2022 0:44 utc | 248 “I just want to say that it’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.”
I would disagree. The shithole is on THE borderlands of insanity. To remove the ‘the’ it could be simplified to insanity. How else can you explain an urge of self destruction?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:00 utc | 206

This thread reads like a Q post.
The idea that Ukraine would attack given the balance of power does not begin to pass the smell test given the balance of forces.
People repeat “NAZI’s” over and over again the way Trump repeats claims of stolen elections.
So now, having been completely been wrong we get Zelensky saying something about nukes. Ah, say the people who have been completely wrong, that is the reason why. It’s as made up as the idea ANTIFA was involved in Jan 6th.
All 24 hours after every piece of analysis from the author and the posters have been rendered ludicrously wrong.

Posted by: NowWar | Feb 25 2022 1:02 utc | 207

Don Bacon @253–
I wonder if the idiots in Bidenville know BigOil supports Russia by purchasing its hydrocarbons? Are they going to sanction Exxon/Mobil and the rest? And what about NASA? And the list is rather longer than that. Where’s the argument that refutes Putin’s use of the UN Charter’s Article 51?
The Outlaw US Empire is bankrupt in so many ways.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 1:04 utc | 208

Now War @259–
What a Howler!! Comments like yours tell me that we’re quite correct. Thank you ever so much for the confirmation!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 1:08 utc | 209

All 24 hours after every piece of analysis from the author and the posters have been rendered ludicrously wrong.
Posted by: NowWar | Feb 25 2022 1:02 utc | 259
Now what about your take on the Mearsheimer interview, in which he precisely laid down the situation. Clearly there was a red line. Putin waited 8 years to do something. Why do you think that is, and do you think that Ukraine joining NATO would be a good or bad thing for Europe, Russia and the world? If they had, how much longer would it have been before a color revolution within Russia was to succeed?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 1:09 utc | 210

On 18 Apr 21 I posted the following on my Telegram Channel… Public Research Institute
A way forward in Ukraine via UNSC 2022….
In another forum I was reminded that the Minsk Agreements were codified in a UNSC resolution… 2022 on 7 Feb 15. This resolution contains the following relevant clauses and adoption statements:
“The 13-paragraph “package of measures”, contained in Annex I of the resolution, called for a number of actions.”
“An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation as of 15 February 2015”
“Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides by equal distances in order to create a security zone.”
“Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.” {This will be interpreted to include NATO forces.}
“Disarmament of all illegal groups.” {This will be interpreted to include “Right Sector”, and all the UkroNazis.}
“Reform of Ukraine with a new constitution entering into force by the end of 2015.” That document had to provide for decentralization, as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in line with eight measures until the end of 2015. {This will be justification for supervising creation of a new one.}
Council members had also emphasized that perpetrators must be held accountable for the 2014 downing of the Malaysian airliner that killed 298 people. {I expect Russia to charge Ukrainian FSB & CIA}
Echoing a common view, the representative of France said it was the “Council’s collective responsibility to silence the guns”.
The representative of Germany said the resolution was of utmost importance, conveying a stern message to those who violated the ceasefire.
Agreeing, the representative of Ukraine called on the Security Council’s permanent members to prevent violations. ”
My anticipated course of action by Russia::……………….
I believe, Russia will claim it’s action(s) in Ukraine are for the purpose of enforcing UNSC resolution 2022. That such action was specifically called for by the Ukraine upon the resolution’s adoption, and such action includes removal of all NATO forces in Ukraine because they are “foreign forces” specifically required to be removed from Ukraine.
Russia will supervise elections of a “unity” government and shepherd development and adoption of a new constitution as envisioned in UNSC 2022.
Russia will search and destroy Right Sector and the other extremist groups, as envisioned in UNSC 2022.
Russia has been gathering evidence of “crimes against humanity, and war crimes” perpetrated since the 2014 coup, including the massacre in Odessa, and the sniper killings in Kiev. Russia will conduct a war crimes tribunal, for the purpose of bringing perpetrators of the above, including the MH 17 downing, to justice.
Russia will conduct these operations throughout the entirety of Ukraine, likely with their forces wearing “blue” helmets.
NATO and specifically UK/USA will be powerless to interfere.
I reiterate, the above is my view of how the Russians may frame their incursion.

Apparently, I was pretty close to the mark.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 25 2022 1:10 utc | 211

Peter AU1, can you see something at http://82.202.190.92 ?
It seems mil.ru is resolved and routed pretty differently from Russia and from USA
It can happen that pinning mil.ru and eng.mil.ru to 82.202.190.92 you would be able to read it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
Not that reading mil.ru gives you much – it is not very informational site, slow with updates and very scarse.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:11 utc | 212

Arioch
>…” penmate in VA USA confirms eng.mil.ru unreachable”.
Well. That’s Virginia? Langley?
Imma thinking they might not want connection between CIA and Russian military right at this moment?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 1:14 utc | 213

According to Pepe Escobar tweet, US told Zelensky to say he was going to develop nukes.

Posted by: Les | Feb 25 2022 1:17 utc | 214

I find the support of Russia by Trump and his close cronies quite interesting.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2022 0:55 utc | 252
I don’t see it.
Trump himself, yes.
But at the same time Rudi Giuliani sings the opposite tune, that under weak Biden evil Putin makes a crime that strong Trump would prohibit him to do
But in the end, in USA it is all about elections.
Trump does the same he did in 2016 – he plays enfente terrible to make every MSM mention him again and again (no such thing as bad publicity, except necrolog)
And his cronie R.G. downsizes Biden and DEMs jokeying on rusophobia powerful stream.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:19 utc | 215

Melkiades #248

I just want to say that it’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.

Neither. As of yesterday it is ‘the PAST Ukraine’ :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 1:22 utc | 216

Imma thinking they might not want connection between CIA and Russian military right at this moment?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 1:14 utc | 265
LOL but no. Special services have more means to communicate than we can ever imagine.
As a maybe related thing, few days ago (feb 16th maybe) YouTube’s censhorship brigade suddenly went out of hibernation and removed my translated Donbass 2014 video of civilians under EuroUkr’s shelling. Violating their own community rules, as usual.
Point is not Google’s cemsorship itself, but how that video laid dormant for 7 years and no one batted an eye, and then immediately before Kiev escalated Donbass shelling it was found and removed, suggesting Google’s censorhip squad got a sizeable prop-up mid-February, correlating with western officers fleeing OSCE SMM

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:24 utc | 217

Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 0:56 utc | 253
Those clowns don’t seem to read history. They are no Napoleon’s and they are no Hitler’s, yet the Russians marched into Paris and planted their flag on the Reichstag. I guess sometime in the not too distant future, the white house will either be flying a Russian flag or a smoking pile of rubble.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:26 utc | 218

“This op was planned over many years.”
Many others here have voiced the same opinion, that Russia has planned for this for many years, etc. etc. I disagree. If Russia wanted to rout Ukraine, they could have done it, justifiably, years ago …
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 25 2022 0:26 utc | 238
Military of a major county prepares plans that may be executed when needed, and analyzes them for feasibility. Pentagon may have an entire library. Concerning if Russia could execute such a plan earlier, I do not think so. USA and NATO has a dubious luxury of ignoring what may happen after a “success”. Collectively, they have a critical mass to be certain that whatever s…t ensues in the aftermath, they can live with it, and on a personal level, continue to live lucratively (Blair, Clinton couple to give examples). But Russia has to consider the aftermath carefully. Two-three years ago, “crippling sanctions” would be quite crippling, but with big shortages of numerous commodities, starting from the natural gas and oil, but with many more of importance, “crippling sanctions” became a weapon of mutually assured economic destruction.
Similarly, Russia is not as assured of a total media domination, while the West is. The war and sanctions require some sacrifices, and these require some consensus. Thus care is given to building a case for action that can withstand Western messages to the contrary. Mind you, Russia is “loosing the battle for public opinion” in the zone where voices not approved by the Atlanticists are carefully suppressed (with few frightening arrests and sentences, and a lot of more stealthy actions). But at home, or in countries like India, this is very different.
Perhaps a conditional green light for the plan was given a year ago, when Zelensky’s “junta” embarked on withering Donbass with threats, a huge concentration of troops facing them, and prepare to squash them as it happened to Serbs of Krajina. Russia responded by a concentration of troops of its own and diplomatic initiatives that were duly and theatrically rebuked. As predicted and planned for.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 1:27 utc | 219

As I write, the Saker site is up, RT is finally back up, and the Kremlin website appears still under DDOS attack.
The signature pathos of the US is here writ large across the world: Russia writes a new chapter in human history, and all the US has to respond with is to attack Putin’s words with denial of service.
~~
I highly recommend Putin’s latest speech, which others have also recommended. It’s at the Saker:
Address by the President of the Russian Federation – February 24, 2022
Normally I’d excerpt from the speech but I don’t feel qualified to touch any of it in isolation. It is beyond superb, and explains to the world what Russia is doing and why. Here’s what I was prompted to write about the speech at the Saker site:

This may be the finest speech of the 21st Century to date. I don’t think I’ve ever heard such a historic speech, speaking in the language of history, speaking in the moment of history – and with so much clear truth, so compassionately and righteously told.
This speech will go down in the books that describe this age.
President Putin has poured an enormous amount of sanity and political stability into the world these last few days. Yes, Kremlin writers and staff have undoubtedly helped to craft the messages, but what a mind and what a character. What clear seeing.
What a people are these Russians, to be able to articulate their situation so flawlessly, and to act so cleanly in accord with this articulation.
The implications of the realism that Russia demonstrates right now are stunning. Russia will destroy the military capacity of the United States if that country makes a large enough foolish move. She will fight with any country on the planet, directly, and to win, if pushed.
This is beyond admiration. This is the role model for all nations to aspire to.

I hope this may inspire some to read the speech. I have nothing to add.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 25 2022 1:32 utc | 220

Arioch 264
I clicked on your link and this is what I got.
An error occurred.
Sorry, the page you are looking for is currently unavailable.
Please try again later.
If you are the system administrator of this resource then you should check the error log for details.
Request id: f6e7c9348a61a592b6d9337ec819a0d8
Server IP: 82.202.190.92
Client IP: 49.199.145.170
Time: 2022-02-25T04:32:18+03:00
Config id: 17
Faithfully yours, nginx.
………………………..
That last line.. yanks are being smartarses

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:37 utc | 221

Dr. George @263–
I developed a scenario similar to yours but never wrote and published it as you did. Enforcing the UNSCR because no other nation would, while three other members of the Permanent UNSC overtly worked against their own creation. The above is so plain to see that it’s amazing people–and trolls–are trying to refute it. All the major facts of the matter are public. IMO, that’s one aspect of this entire affair that served to enrage Russia’s leadership and its public. As I just told my wife, it’s all NATO’s fault because it is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 1:37 utc | 222

Why are Ukrainian soldiers wearing US flags on their helmets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rzGSfj1f2g

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 1:41 utc | 223

Ben @ 105
This was clearly months in the planning; any ‘trigger’ was merely what pretexts would be used to justify something that was going to happen anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. The Russian forces were in the field a long time. Usually military exercises last for a month or less. The Russians were incredibly patient waiting and probably knowing they would not get their way with NATO.
They have been talking this line for a decade or so and strongly since 2014 about their expectations. They have been literally begging NATO to hear their concerns. What they received was lethal aid sent to the Ukraine, the talk of obtaining nuclear weapons for Ukraine, and the flying of B-52’s over Poland and near Kalingrad, a first I believe, was probably enough to help push this over the edge.
The diplomats do not exist. NATO wants its end and Russia want theirs. End result, World War III is on the horizon. We have seen nothing yet but the first batter at the plate, NATO is clearly pushing nuclear platforms into Eastern Europe. What would one expect for the future?

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 25 2022 1:42 utc | 224

Grieved @273–
Awesome words correctly appraising what’s occurred!!! After almost 77 years of aggression against the world, the Outlaw US Empire has been stopped and its course reversed. Bravo Russia!!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2022 1:42 utc | 225

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:37 utc | 274
That stub page is expected. You reached the server but the server does not know which WWW-page to servie you (as you did not open mil.ru or eng.mil.ru)
that is why i was mentioning at “pinning” eng.mil.ru and mil.ru DNS aliases to the 82.202.190.92 server IPv4 address
I do not want to go down into further technicalities. Anyone who bothers might google about editing the “hosts” file or installing local DNS proxy and setting the alias in it. But for techie guys what i said above was already enough, yet for usual barfliea it would remain a very harsh and hardly actionable off-topic, so i desist.
I was wondering why RT site acted consistently in Russia and WEST, yet MIL site acted differently. Now we kind of know: MIL.RU is served by different servers and routes for Russia and for West.
Meanwhile rt.com is still almost totally broken from Russia with Chrome(Vivaldi) complaining HTTP2 protocol errors.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:44 utc | 226

> Faithfully yours, nginx.
> ………………………..
> That last line.. yanks are being smartarses
While totally irrelevant, nginx engine was initially written by some Igor Sysoev in Moscow 😛

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:47 utc | 227

Biden says that today the US is blocking multiple large Russian banks including VTB, sanctioning Russian elites and family members, cutting off Russia’s high tech imports which will prevent them from modernizing multiple industries such as their space program ..here

Hilarious! Russian rocket engines are essential to the US space program.

Posted by: Dadda | Feb 25 2022 1:53 utc | 228

Grieved 273
Thanks for putting that into words. All I can say for me is absolute respect for the Russians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 1:55 utc | 229

Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:47 utc | 280 “While totally irrelevant, nginx engine was initially written by some Igor Sysoev in Moscow :-P”
Thanks Arioch. Yeah that stuff is all a bit past me, but I hope I helped you back there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 2:04 utc | 230

I just want to say that it’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.
Posted by: Melkiades
———
B. is German, is mother tongue is German. You dont know any German. Some countries ALWAYS have an article attached to it: The US, the Netherlands, the Swiss, the Slovakia etc. Rest your case that this has any deeper meaning beside B. applying his German understanding.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 25 2022 2:11 utc | 231

@283 Zelensky’s speech for those who may have trouble with Telegram…
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russia-ukraine-crisis-president-zelenskky-speech-in-full

Posted by: dh | Feb 25 2022 2:14 utc | 232

Quote from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky:

“We were left by ourselves. Who is ready to go to war for us? Honestly, I don’t see anybody.”

The Ukrainian comedian!! RF is ready to go war for him.
Another one liner: “All are afraid and did not respond”
He is beginning to sound like Rufus T Firefly.
SOURCE:
https://www.rt.com/russia/550546-zelensky-nato-ukraine-neutrality/
Also having problems with RT
https://updownradar.com/status/rt.com#r-21363
Shows numerous people reporting problems. All appear to be located in 5 eyes countries. How unexpected.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:14 utc | 233

> at least those people are not cancelled or vilified like oppositional voices in the West.
1033 people were arrested all around Russia for merely protesting. We don’t know yet if they will be cancelled yet. That up to the 70 years old man to decide.
Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:02 utc | 135

VVP is 69 years old, that obviously compares badly with Nancy Pelosi 81 years young and Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr 79 years young … especially considering that Russia has a different calendar making their years very much longer
Come on!

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 25 2022 2:21 utc | 234

Grieved stated @ 273;
“This may be the finest speech of the 21st Century to date. I don’t think I’ve ever heard such a historic speech, speaking in the language of history, speaking in the moment of history – and with so much clear truth, so compassionately and righteously told.”
“This speech will go down in the books that describe this age.”
Agreed. It’s a MUST read…
https://vk.com/@580896205-putins-speech-prior-to-recognizing-donbass-republics

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 25 2022 2:25 utc | 235

@263
You want a medal?
“I was right”, or in your case close to right isn’t gonna get you much here.
While I appreciate your posts, and your opinions,
They are like assholes. We’ve all got em.
Nobody is gonna slap your back and give you an attaboy
For crowing about a post you made in an entirely different medium.
But hey, go buy yourself a steak dinner, and enjoy being “right”

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 25 2022 2:28 utc | 236

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 25 2022 0:03 utc | 227
The value of the reported, but now likely destroyed, Canadian lethal arms shipment was reported as being $7 million dollars.
Today there remain multiple Aboriginal communities in Canada that lack access to drinking water as the Trudeau government claims a lack of funding.
Gives you an opportunity to understand Mr Blackface’s priorities.
Also found that his reason for terminating the Emergency Act is that foreign investors were pulling funds out of Canadian financial institutions. Why deposit your money in a location where any Freeland can render you a “Designated Person” and seize your funds? I am sure Freeland is happy. She owns property in Kiev. I hope the RF remodels it for her.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/23/odd-little-note-on-the-puppet-handler-of-trudeau/

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:31 utc | 237

Zelensky declared total mobilization – and assigned 90 days timeframe.
Zelensky addressed the nation – with “we are left alone, no one in the world is going to help us”
I can not shake feeling he tries to sabotage the lost war while keeping plausible deniability (i was jsut a fool, i did not mean to surrender).

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 2:31 utc | 238

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 25 2022 2:04 utc | 285
they probably needed something to cover up the Nazi SS logos they had there
LOL
You have a much better sense of humour than your alter ego. Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:33 utc | 239

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:33 utc | 294 and YourMom @ 285
Ya know, now that I think about it that doesn’t sound implausible (or funny for that matter) at all. I’d bet that’s why they did it!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 2:38 utc | 240

“The Russian Ministry of Defense claims Russian aircraft have destroyed, 83 ground targets, 2 Ukrainian Su-27s, 2 Su-24s, 1 helicopter, 4 Bayraktar TB-2 drones. One Ukrainian Su-27 has landed in Romania. The pilot was probably not interested in getting killed.”
2 Ukrainian Su-27s and 2 Su-24s destroyed and then no air farce?
So Banderastan is a grain-growing funny farm masquerading as a country?

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 25 2022 2:39 utc | 241

Russia has ‘complete air superiority’ over Ukraine: Western intel official
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russia-has-complete-air-superiority-over-ukraine-western-intel-official-101645733510009.html

Posted by: dh | Feb 25 2022 2:40 utc | 242

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 1:24 utc | 270

Point is not Google’s cemsorship itself, but how that video laid dormant for 7 years and no one batted an eye, and then immediately before Kiev escalated Donbass shelling it was found and removed, suggesting Google’s censorhip squad got a sizeable prop-up mid-February

I recently went looking for YT video of a Ukraine F-24 Frogfoot ground attack on citizens in LDR. This was the first stage of the conflict. The Frogfoot cannon fire killed 8 civilians. There were no military targets. It was an unprovoked attack. The video was “disappeared.”
Also missing was footage of the Odessa attack on the Trade Union Building. This not only showed trapped citizens being shot has they jumped from the windows to escape the fire as onlookers cheered (the jumpers had been locked in to the burning building), it also included footage of the aftermath of the fire including a woman whose charred body had telephone wire wrapped around the neck suggesting she was strangled before being burned. The position of her body suggested she had been raped prior to being killed. The video went on to declare that this was a fate that would befall all similar “rats.”
When I read Putin’s intent to hunt down those responsible for the Odessa massacre I immediately thought of that video.
I hope someone has retained a copy for presentation as prosecution evidence. It was chilling. Not something the 5-eyes would want you to see.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:51 utc | 243

@ dh | Feb 25 2022 2:40 utc | 297 with the link reporting Russian air superiority…thanks
It supports my question earlier about how the military support promised to the puppet government will actually get there.
Maybe as a comic Z can start shitting unicorns out his ass to roust his troops.
I agree with the sentiment that Z will capitulate to Russia as the puppet leader or will “abdicate” that position within the next 24 – 48 hours.
And then what? With the West not in total control of the narrative, things could get interesting….when do the Nuremberg trials start?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2022 2:53 utc | 244

Putin will have to carve off Odessa as an independent republic now.
It’s not possible to leave it as part of any future Ukrainian state, given the strategic value and the large percentage of ethnic Russians in that city – who will now bear the brunt of revenge attacks by Ukrainians.
So it’s either carve out a small breakaway republic around Odessa, or other really difficult options like:
– Drive out the Ukrainian majority to leave the ethnic Russian minority dominant
– Annex Odessa(which will require Putin to break his word on not occupying Ukraine!0

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 2:55 utc | 245

Kiev skies now
https://t.me/headlinesua/9572 and then https://t.me/boris_rozhin/22334
Maybe intercepted some Kalibr or drone or something.
Probably not illuminating or incediay bomb.
But know one knows for sure.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 2:56 utc | 246

Reply to 252
I too wonder what game Trump, Pompeo and Coulter are playing. I can only guess that they want to fight China, not Russia. Furthermore, we also have this bizarre situation with a best selling book (“Red Handed”) that accuses Biden and many in Congress of selling themselves to China.
So, maybe they see this as coming together for them in the future. Maybe they are betting that the most important Deep State actors see things as they do, about China

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 25 2022 3:03 utc | 247

@299 Z is putting on a brave face at the moment. He doesn’t want to be accused of running away. Hard to predict how it will all play out but it looks as though his days are numbered.
I don’t see it getting to the stage of street fighting in Kiev.

Posted by: dh | Feb 25 2022 3:06 utc | 248

Ben and Zanon make cohesive arguments. We may agree or disagree but they are not trolls at all by any definition which is why b allows their comments to stand. It is good to see most commenters also responding respecfully in disagreement.
b also made the concession of sorts when he admitted surprise at the invasion and especially that it went far beyond his expectations of a localized protection in the breakaaway republics.
The fact is b has been consistently wrong on most aspects of Russia modus operandi in the mideast for a few years now. He completely lost the thread around the time of Astana and the Turkish incursion into Idleb.
The commenters who foresee a change coming in Russia’s Syrian campaign make interesting points but I disagree with their analysis on this point. In Ukraine, Russia has legitimate concerns however it is quite clear to anyone with an objective view that Putin invented the pretext for the invasion and has consistently lied his way into the current state of affairs. No matter, this realpolitik and not idealism. At the very least people should stop ascribing any send of idealism to Putin’s actions. That would be a gain in perspective that is sorely needed. Rightly or wrongly the US intelligence was spot on in predicting this event. And of course the US is neither noble nor idealistic in their decisions and judgments. Why should we expect Russia (or China) to be acting out for the benefit of mankind?
The world is multipolar. It is also more economically connected than ever before in history. There will continue to be tensions in this dichotomy as well as the seeds for understanding and reconciliation on real politik terms.
The gleeful commentary here is unseemly of course but to be expected. This is a commentariat that has waited for some time This reminds of the neocon reaction when the US invaded Iraq in 2003. The phony nobility accorded to the US invasion by the perpetrtaors is similar to the phony nobility often accorded to Putin in the supportive commentary.
For sure the Iraqi invasion looks even worse today in light of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. I see it as the beginning of the end of the unipolar era of US dominance.
Also, I believe the globalist decadent civilization which includes Russia and China too will be forced to reckon with soon enough. As one of the commenters here likes to say, we are in a civilization war. However the lines drawn by history of the rise and fall of civilizations and the forces that impel them are much differently drawn than this commenter comprehends.

Posted by: Useless Meat Beater | Feb 25 2022 3:08 utc | 249

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 2:38 utc | 295
I suspect they may have done it in the hope and expectation that any RF soldier having them in their sights would hestitate to fire in the belief they may be firing on American forces.
Unfortunately for them the Strangelovian Laws of Armed Conflict require participants to wear uniform and to correctly identify their nation state. Failure to do so renders them liable to be declared to be Francs-tireurs and subject to immediate execution. This is the reverse of what they may have anticipated.
So never go to war withour reading the rulebook. Failure to do so puts your life in danger. (and I find it hard to dismiss the pervasive sense of Kubrick irony)

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 3:10 utc | 250

@Useless Meat Beater
The only point I’ll concede you is that Putin did choose this. He could indeed easily have confined the war to Donbas or allowed the situation to continue to fester for any amount of time. All triggers are, in some sense, calculated pretexts.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 25 2022 3:13 utc | 251

Well I didn’t raise any alarums with my 253, and I have more time now, so let’s get specific with some of Biden’s anti-Russia orders here from the White House.

. . .This is a premeditated attack. Vladimir Putin has been planning this for months, as I’ve been — as we’ve been saying all along. He moved more than 175,000 troops, military equipment into positions along the Ukrainian border. He moved blood supplies into position and built a field hospital, which tells you all you need to know about his intentions all along. He rejected every good-faith effort the United States and our Allies and partners made to address our mutual security concerns through dialogue to avoid needless conflict and avert human suffering.
Today, I’m authorizing additional strong sanctions and new limitations on what can be exported to Russia. This is going to impose severe costs on the Russian economy, both immediately and over time. We have purposefully designed these sanctions to maximize the long-term impact on Russia and to minimize the impact on the United States and our Allies.
I just spoke with the G7 leaders this morning, and we are in full and total agreement. We will limit Russia’s ability to do business in Dollars, Euros, Pounds, and Yen to be part of the global economy. We will limit their ability to do that. We are going to stunt the ability to finance and grow Rus- — the Russian military. We’re going to impose major — and we’re going to impair their ability to compete in a high-tech 21st century economy. We’ve already seen the impact of our actions on Russia’s currency, the Ruble, which early today hit its weakest level ever — ever in history. And the Russian stock market plunged today. The Russian government’s borrowing rate spiked by over 15 percent.
In today’s actions, we have now sanctioned Russian banks that together hold around $1 trillion in assets.
We’ve cut off Russia’s largest bank — a bank that holds more than one third of Russia’s banking assets by itself — cut it off from the U.S. financial system.
And today, we’re also blocking four more major banks. That means every asset they have in America will be frozen. This includes V.T.B., the second-largest bank in Russia, which has $250 billion in assets. On Tuesday, we stopped the Russian government from raising money from U.S. or European investors. Now, we’re going to apply the same restrictions to Russia’s largest state-owned enterprises — companies with assets that exceed $1.4 trillion. Some of the most powerful impacts of our actions will come over time as we squeeze Russia’s access to finance and technology for strategic sectors of its economy and degrade its industrial capacity for years to come. Between our actions and those of our Allies and partners, we estimate that we’ll cut off more than half of Russia’s high-tech imports.
It will strike a blow to their ability to continue to modernize their military. It’ll degrade their aerospace industry, including their space program. It will hurt their ability to build ships, reducing their ability to compete economically. And it will be a major hit to Putin’s long-term strategic ambitions. And we’re preparing to do more. In addition to the economic penalties we’re imposing, we’re also taking steps to defend our NATO Allies, particularly in the east.. .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 3:14 utc | 252

My RT’s back up — “Anonymous declare ‘cyber war’ against Russia . .RT.com has also been targeted in what appears to be a widespread denial-of-service (DDoS) attack”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 3:17 utc | 253

I must say I could not predict what just happened. Someone was mentioning judoka surprise move if I remember. What I can see happening is Russian military stationing Mig31 with Kinzhals in Lviv in next couple of days. There will be powerful radars and tactical weapons as well. This is exactly what NATO (US) was planning to do in Donbas. Black belt mastery.

Posted by: Milos | Feb 25 2022 3:27 utc | 254

. . .from a 1991 interview with George Kennan, the father of Soviet containment back in the forties, on NATO expansion..in antiwar dot com.

“I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.”
“What bothers me is how superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was,” added Mr. Kennan, who was present at the creation of NATO and whose anonymous 1947 article in the journal Foreign Affairs, signed ”X,” defined America’s cold-war containment policy for 40 years. ”I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don’t people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime.
“And Russia’s democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we’ve just signed up to defend from Russia,” said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952. “It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are – but this is just wrong.”. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 3:36 utc | 255

Oh Canada
Allegations of Canadian troops training neo-Nazis and war criminals sparks military review
Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media: documents
Kirzner-Roberts was referring to a recent report from an institute at George Washington University in the United States revealing that Centuria, a far-right group made up of Ukrainian soldiers linked to the Azov movement, boasted they received training from Canada and other NATO countries. Researchers with the university tracked social media accounts of Centuria, documenting its Ukrainian military members giving Nazi salutes, promoting white nationalism and praising members of Nazi SS units.
Were is Trudeau now?

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 25 2022 3:41 utc | 256

Thanks to Grieved @ 273 for taking us back to Putin’s speech.
When we lose our way in countering obstacles here, it is always good to go back to that formative announcement – the matter relating to this thread only comes at the very end, but it is all very important. I was reading it again last night, taking notes, having found the kremlin english translation in the latest essay at Dances With Bears.
It is still there right at the top of the essay, which is in itself a good distraction when we are overwhelmed by the need to follow at a distance and support a good outcome in Ukraine – he discusses in detail the aspects of Putin’s body language as he is giving the speech. The essay is still the top one on the site and includes the link to the speech up top:
http://johnhelmer.org/
I hope President Putin is getting some well earned rest. And we should as well. I know I stayed up as long as I could last night to follow events, got up this morning before my usual time, needing to see what had happened, have followed off and on all day today. Tomorrow is my youngest daughter’s birthday,(the mother of my clarinet virtuoso grandson.) 49 years ago tonight, my over-enjoyment of fastfood fish ‘n chips started her into this world.
Thanks to b, and best wishes to all!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 25 2022 3:43 utc | 257

Grieved #273
Thank you, well said. These are amazing days. Respect to Putin and team.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 3:47 utc | 258

@Arioch #256
The Anonymous of today is very different than the Anonymous when it first started.
It used to be an anonymous group of hackers, now it is dominated by a couple US intel agency, cooperating ones. Many of the original members were arrested for one thing or another…

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 3:48 utc | 259

Here’s some interesting information from three websites as to why Russia has targeted various sites in a multi-pronged attack:
Are US-run biological labs in Ukraine one of the reasons behind Russia invasion? Read how Russian govt had raised ‘bioweapons’ alarm (OpIndia.com)
U.S. biolaboratories in Ukraine: Deadly viruses and threat for population (112 International)
Is there more to the Ukraine/Russia conflict than meets the eye? (The Expose)
I recall reading online in the past that Vladimir Putin had been alarmed over information that the US had been collecting genetic data from people of Russian, Ukrainian and East Slavic ancestry. Then there has been recent Internet rumour that all Ukrainian army personnel (bear in mind, the Ukrainian army is a conscript army) would be required to submit as guinea pigs to medical experiments.
Could one major reason, if not the major reason, the Russians have attacked certain military sites among others in Ukraine be that these sites are hosting research laboratories for cultivating biological weapons?

Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 3:49 utc | 260

I rarely check RT, but since some here discuss trouble with access, I did. This was the top item in “World”:
Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Thursday pledged UK support for a Ukrainian government “in exile,” adding he had personally told President Volodymyr Zelensky that he and his cabinet may need to find a “safe place” to go amid the Russian attack on his country.
Johnson said he spoke to Zelensky on Thursday morning and that it may be “necessary” to find the Ukrainian leader a place to go.
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So the spokesperson of Ukrainian military describes a difficult but very hopeful picture of the situation, and Boris, the epitome of tact, offers him exile. He could be even more effusive by specifying that the exile will be so safe that nobody will investigate if Zelensky purchased his London property with legally earned money. Wishing victory is too insincere for the ever earnest Boris.
That said, what if Zelensky makes a run for Ecuadorian embassy (very few open embassies in Kiev these days), and the new Ukrainian government waits until the Ecuadorian government changes and then drags him out?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 3:50 utc | 261

@psychohistorian #252
You’re thinking too hard.
The Trump et al actions are exactly like Manchin and Sinema voting against BBB – staking out a position against an unpopular bill that was pushed at the wrong time.
Trump and Co clearly feel Biden is going to f this up, so why not stake out a different position early so as to capitalize when the fail happens.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 3:51 utc | 262

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 19:33 utc | 32 — “…. by formally escalating this ongoing war, he was in effect knowingly “sanctioning” the US economy? ”
Brilliant observation !!!
That’s why we come to this site.
And bear with the bootlickers, zany zanons,
and been-there-done-that bens, and
all the other trolls out in force today.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 25 2022 3:52 utc | 263

Piotr Berman @ 316:
I may be mistaken but wasn’t it you who suggested there was already a house waiting for Vladimir Zelensky in Salisbury, newly renovated and decontaminated to boot?
I’m sure Porton Down could provide the decontamination certificate if Zelensky had any misgivings.
There could even be a live cat waiting for Zelensky’s arrival, not to mention the ghosts of another cat and two guinea pigs.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 4:00 utc | 264

@Don Bacon #307
The US is doing more sanctions – time will tell if this is going to have any real effect or is the real world equivalent of “Now go away or I will taunt you a second time”.
I will note that the world today is very different than the Cold War.
During the Cold War, the US and EU/Western Europe were a far larger percentage of the world economy than today. China was a non-entity internationally and its economy was a tiny fraction of the US’. Iran was against Russia until 1973 and wasn’t really with Russia either afterwards for a long time.
Today, China’s economy is comparable to the US’ in economic power. Iran is with Russia. The EU is far more dependent on Russian energy than before, and Asia in particular and the 2nd/3rd world in general are much wealthier, relatively speaking, than in the past such that the West can no longer trivially outspend everyone else for energy or anything else.
The reality is that NATO and the US have proven to be toothless so far: they don’t have the military capability to match Russia. Their sending arms to Ukraine has proven just as effective as Georgia in 2008, Afghanistan’s sepoy government that collapsed in days last year, Iraq’s sepoy government surrender monkeying to ISIS, etc etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 265

Like many here, I was taken completely by surprise by Russia’s action. I did not think it would come to this. Because I had studied the Ukraine crisis carefully with the sources available to me in English, as I do not know Slavic languages, I thought I had a handle on it, but I guess not. I am mystified by Russia’s motives. To some extent, it resembles the Georgia war of 2008, but the Ukraine is way bigger. The idea of Russia occupying the country is mind-boggling. Just what is the plan? Even if the Ukrainian armed forces collapse completely, that will be no small task. It would seem there are three possibilities:
1). That the Russians go in and then go out, as in Georgia
2). That the Russians stop at the Dneiper, as well as taking Odessa
3). That they try to go all the way to the western border.
What is it going to be?
If 1), they will still have unresolved borders of the Luhansk and Donetsk republics, at least, and may have solved nothing, as the Ukrainian nationalists and the US will be right back there again.
If 2), they will have to deal with a western Ukraine still claiming to have legitimate rule over the whole country and may become embroiled in a long shooting war unlike Georgia.
If 3), they will alarm Eastern Europe much more and lose whatever support they have there, for example, in Hungary, and they might have to fight a guerilla war against those irreconcilable Galicians. It might be nice to say, just cut Galicia out and let it be on its own, but there will never be any mechanism for implementing that.
In all of these cases, it may be that Russia intends to make a regime change, a countercoup against the illegitimate US-orchestrated coup of 2014. But how can that be made to stick in the middle of a war? In case 1), there wouldn’t be any basis for such a regime to last, and things would likely go back to what they were before. In case 2), there would be two Ukraines, so the Russian-sponsored one would hardly be able to claim unique sovereignty and might be like East Germany, occupied by Russian troops. In case 3), it might likely result in a long internal war in Ukraine, the expense of which Russia would have to bear.
Maybe Russia has calculated that it has a lot of passive support at least in eastern and southern Ukraine. Maybe it supposes that the Ukrainians will not be fighters like the Afghans and the Chechens, so they will just take it lying down. But I doubt that people there will welcome war being brought to their doorstep, and while Ukrainian nationalism is of recent mintage, it does exist.
What I would like to know is how there can possibly be any peaceful outcome to this. It looks like an expensive mess to me. And even if it were the case that Russia’s real motive is to break US imperialism, this hardly seems like the way to do it, as it doesn’t seem likely to cause the big one that will bring down the US house of cards, the collapse of the dollar.

Posted by: Cabe | Feb 25 2022 4:01 utc | 266

Lots happening in day one. Hopefully this will be over quickly. https://stolzuntermenschen.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-de-nazification-campaign-in-ukraine.html

Posted by: paulymx | Feb 25 2022 4:05 utc | 267

@Cabe #321
I am 99% sure Russia has no intention of occupying Ukraine.
The only question is whether Russia will attempt a Minsk Accords by force, set up referendums in each oblast for a Yugoslavia-style breakup, or just burn down Ukraine’s ability to make war for a generation and then withdraw.
The Yugoslavia style breakup would be interesting since parts of Ukraine today were Poland, Romania or Slovakia pre-World War 2, as are other parts previously Russia.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 4:06 utc | 268

Oh, Cabe, at 321, who asks ‘What is the plan?’ – it’s my bedtime so I’ll try to be succinct. Read carefully the long Putin speech we are all rhapsodizing about — from beginning to end.
The answer is right there. Good night. Good night, moon.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 25 2022 4:09 utc | 269

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 2:55 utc | 300
There is another option – Odessa unites with Transnistria (and perhaps Gagauzia) as an exclave of Novorossia. No need to take the entire Black Sea coast. The munitions still stockpiled in Transnistria are greater than most European militaries. the Ukraine still has access to the Black Sea, though no ports.

Posted by: Cossack | Feb 25 2022 4:21 utc | 270

@290 vetinLA | Feb 25 2022 2:25 utc
@312 juliania | Feb 25 2022 3:43 utc
I think you’re both referring to the Monday speech by Putin.
You may be unaware of the speech by Putin today – this is even more important, in my view than the earlier one you’re citing, and this is the one that I was praising as the speech of the century:
Address by the President of the Russian Federation – February 24, 2022
The speech you’re referring to from Monday was the long historical review that led to the recognition of the Donbass republics. That was a remarkable speech.
But today’s address to his nation by Putin was on a plane of realpolitik that I could not have imagined. Putin explained the US and its actions of the last decades in cold and disdainful terms, speaking completely truthfully, in a description we all recognize and agree with. Now we know that the Russian Federation formally sees it this way also, and enacts policies that reflect this view.
From this speech of today, the one I link again in this comment, Putin reveals exactly how Russia has watched and been threatened by the advance of NATO, and exactly how she HAD to act to do what she is now doing. We learn why there could be no partial action here in Ukraine – it must be BOTH disarmed and de-nazified.
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And with the Nazis gone, Ukraine can come back to life again, and be a democracy and enjoy representative government – and even begin the national conversation about becoming a union state with Russia, as Belarus has.
This is why Russia is so respectful to the soldiers of Ukraine, and why she is so gentle with the nation itself: she never stopped regarding Ukraine as a brotherly and sisterly nation.
And so what is happening is a surgical operation of some daring and hazard, to remove the cancer from the nation without harming the nation, and at the risk that the patient will hate its doctor. But it has to be done.
Russia is acting not simply to protect itself, but also to preserve and if possible restore Ukraine for the Ukrainian people.
[Recall that in 2014 Putin never wanted the republics to break away. He wanted everyone to stay in place, so that Russia could work on changing the governance of Ukraine. But once they declared as republics, that plan had to go away, and it took Minsk to freeze the conflict.]
All this becomes forcefully clear from Putin’s address today – which still stuns me with its sheer historical relevance to this moment in history, and which I hope you will enjoy reading.
Grieved | Feb 25 2022 1:32 utc

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 25 2022 4:25 utc | 271

There are two common models of nationhood, roughly speaking.
There are the ethnic states – states based on an identity grounded in an ethno-linguistic group distinct from that of its neighbors. This is the type of nationalism that prevailed during the Spring of Nations in 1848 – that brought out demands for independent or united Germany, Poland, Hungary, Italy, etc. It is what France, Spain, Germany, Italy, and Israel are today.
Then there is the model of nationhood that prevails in the Americas, basing itself on regionalisms and not needing any such differences. Latin America is composed of this type of nationhood. This is the patriotism of a Chile, contrasted with that of a Peru, an Argentina, or a Colombia. Latin America could have ended up with any number of shapes on the map. The Arab world is of course arguably the other major example. The full coming of age of Austria post-1945 is an interesting example of this emerging in the heart of Central Europe, born as a conscious rejection of Nazi Germany’s Anschluss despite that unification having long been a goal of liberals.
Ukraine as it currently exists is an unstable combination of the two. Nationalism of the first type has bloomed in the 30 years since independence, but only in the west. In the east and south where Russian is spoken, the regional project of Ukraine, a nationalism of the second type as an arbitrary separation from Russia, is a failure. Putin is right in that this situation was a creation of the Soviet system, but he did not mention that this was to make Ukraine a viable state. What we are witnessing is the inevitable failure of a Soviet creation in a post-Soviet system it was not designed for, and the most apt comparison is with Yugoslavia when national tensions came to a boil. Ukraine has been at that stage for 8 years, but it’s been frozen.
We’re about to see where and how deeply the fault lines lie.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 25 2022 4:29 utc | 272

Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 4:00 utc | 319
I meant the apartments that Zelensky owns as disclosed in Pandora papers. The offshore companies and London properties of Zelensky were discussed at length in Russian language Ukrainian YouTube channels. Salisbury property you meant is indeed vacant, sports a recently replaced roof, but none of the two former feline inhabitants are present. However, renting or buying it requires (I guess) finding the owner…
Posted by: Cossack | Feb 25 2022 4:21 utc | 325
Odessa is a city, but also an oblast (region) which includes the border with Moldova on the east side of Dniester (with Transdnistria) and the western side (a coastal area with settlements of several ethnic groups that communicate in Russian with outsiders).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 4:35 utc | 273

The extent of the ‘incursion/invasion’ surprised me too among many others here.
I suspect the Russian thought was ‘In for a penny, in for a pound’. Best to go the whole hog rather than try to bite of just a small piece – then they can withdraw at a time of their own choosing, rather than lock themselves into the Donbass indefinitely.
I sincerely hope it winds down quickly with very little loss of life. Far too many non-combatants get killed in wars these days. So many futures snuffed out – so many good potential lives distorted or diverted.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Feb 25 2022 4:39 utc | 274

Jen #319
Twas I that offered the manse in Salisbury.
If it were a just world then perhaps Julian Assange could offer his current abode as he savours freedom. But it is not as just a world as that – yet.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 4:49 utc | 275

from RT:
Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with Kiev regarding the ongoing Russian military offensive currently taking place in Ukraine, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.
According to Peskov, Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his preparedness to engage in discussions with his Ukrainian counterpart, with a focus on obtaining a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory.
These are terms that, according to Peskov, would enable the achievement of the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, and eliminate what Russia currently views as a threat to the security of its state and people. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 5:06 utc | 276

@310 Don Bacon | Feb 25 2022 3:36 utc
Thank you for that link, that’s a brilliant article. It could actually stand next to the Putin speech I’ve been praising today, offering the US side of the thinking that Putin described.
Here’s the link again for those interested:
George Kennan Warned NATO Expansion Would Lead to This – by David Stockman Posted on February 24, 2022

Don Bacon’s quote from Kennan at #310 above is a key piece with three powerful paragraphs, but I won’t repeat them. Instead, try this rationale moving forward from Kennan’s warning, as the Senate’s “light-hearted” actions took form:

With the people of Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary we have special bonds. These nations – and others – are rightfully part of the future of Europe. As Bob Dole said, “It is an outrage that the patriots who threw off the chains of Soviet bondage have been told by Bill Clinton that they must wait to join the NATO alliance.” We strongly endorse Bob Dole’s call for Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary to enter NATO by 1998.

And as author Stockman rejoins in the article:

Let’s see. Was it not also the case that the “captive nations” of the Warsaw Pact were enabled to throw-off their “chains” because the patriots in Moscow had first done the same in 1991?

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That’s right. As Kennan observed, the people of Russia had already thrown off the USSR in “the greatest bloodless revolution in history” – and they were the people who became the target of the military industrial money machine of the US.
Money and war is all it was. And that “light-hearted” feeling of the US Senate, we would today describe as hubris, empty of both substance and commitment.
Great article. Putin would appreciate its truth.
And we must all understand the vast human damage that this frolic has done – because Russia certainly does.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 25 2022 5:10 utc | 277

…Anonymous when it first started.
It used to be an anonymous group of hackers,
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2022 3:48 utc | 314
No. There could be some group of hackers at some moment, but even then it was stealing or corrupting (“cancer” in anonymous jargon) of anonymous “brand”.
Initial anonymous subculture was AIB-driven, and while some chatters there were hackers others were painters, musicianc and just random “basement dwellers”.
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Putin invented the pretext for the invasion and has consistently lied his way
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At the very least people should stop ascribing any send of idealism to Putin’s actions.
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Why should we expect Russia (or China) to be acting out for the benefit of mankind?
Posted by: Useless Meat Beater | Feb 25 2022 3:08 utc | 304
I love those leaps of logic. That’s how good propaganda works. Perhaps B should feel complimented.
Definitely, Russia should act for her own benefit first. And after thay Russia can have some little philanthropy it can afford, but not more. Soviet Union, overstretched and finally bankrupt, should bw example what not to do.
This end point was perfectly correct.
Does it mean, as it pretended to be, that Putin has absolutely not a iota of idealism in his decisions? If so, why did not he completely sell out Russia decades ago, like Gorbachev did to USSR and Gavel did to Poland?
Of course, Putin (and Russia) can not afford being all idealist with zero pragmatism.
However that does not prove Putin can not have ideals in chosing goals, then pragmatism in reaching them.
So, this point was half-true. But there was yet another leap, so…
Does it mean, as it again pretended to be synonymous, that “Putin lied all the way” and “made pretext” ?
Does it mean 100% pragmatic 0% idealistic persons always lie and can not say truth??? Does it mean Ukraine was not shelling Donbass for 8 years? Does it mean Zelensky could never achieve radiological weapon, that even Pakistan and Nothern Korea did?
Okay, but what is a goal of Putins lies and pretext fabricate is supposed to be?
Probably it would be either conquerring Ukraine or enslaving/murdering every Ukrainian.
Why? Because Putin pationately wants so!!!
Little problem with this claim is that it exactly requires a very idealistic person disregarding reality for the sake of his passions. One like greedy Poroshenko, one like hubris reeking Ze and Saaka. Those are bad, evil cases of idealism, but still they are.
Can Putin be a pationate idealist? Who knows. But the framework above precludes it, it with full certainty deamns Putin to lack any idealism. Then it atrributes to Putin goals and actions that require huge deal of idealism.
But still it was a nice try and i feel our littls bar should be honoured by visit of so professional a guest.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 5:11 utc | 278

Grieved | 326
The respect and fraternal regard Russia is demonstrating towards the Ukrainian citizen and military “hostages”.
Remember when people joined cults, and the family would stage an “intervention”.
In drug and alcohol rehab, there is talk of “tough love”, where support was provided, but the behaviour must change.
Your comment on Russian treatment of the “volk” of Ukraine evokes that type of “deprogramming” or rehabilitation.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:15 utc | 279

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2022 1:22 utc | 269
“As of yesterday it is ‘the PAST Ukraine’ :))”
LOL, “The Country Formerly Known As ‘The Ukraine'”

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:15 utc | 280

Is Zelensky’s public moaning about western abandonment a subtle message to Russia: “Do not carry this out to the end. I am open to your peace demands. You can work with me?”

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 25 2022 5:21 utc | 281

Grieved | 327
Ukraine statehood.
However it was glued together in the past, with bits and pieces of other nation’s territory.
It could have worked, become cohesive, if it had been left to fiind and forge its own destiny.
Unfortunately it’s been the playground of too many external groups with nefarious objectives.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:25 utc | 282

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2022 1:27 utc | 272
“Military of a major county prepares plans that may be executed when needed, and analyzes them for feasibility. Pentagon may have an entire library.”
During my stint in the US Army way back in the mists of antiquity (1976) I had an opportunity to take an officer-level course in military geography, taught by officers who may have been such planners. The “mid-term” exam was a scenario postulating a coup in Madagascar by some grouping the US didn’t like; the “final” involved a hypothetical conflict between the USSR and China in which the Chinese asked for US aid in defending Beijing from the advancing Red Army. In both scenarios we were to prepare a seasonal weather and geographical report for the commander of the Rapid Deployment Force preparing to deploy…
My take-away was that the Pentagon likely has half a dozen such plans for every country on Earth. When they want to attack one they take the plan most corresponding to current conditions, modify as needed and begin operations.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:27 utc | 283

Doctorow has a new on up, and he nails it right in the first paragraph
‘the empire of lies’ will now be a meme for all anti-imperialists, etc, etc
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/02/24/unjustified-and-unprovoked-russias-ongoing-military-operation-in-ukraine/
“In a speech to the nation yesterday, American president Joe Biden called the military operation which Russia launched against the Kiev regime late in the night Moscow time “unjustified and unprovoked.” By doing so, by willfully ignoring the lengthy justifications and list of provocations that Vladimir Putin had set out in his address to his nation and the world two days earlier, President Biden fully justified Putin’s remarks in a televised speech just hours ago characterizing present-day America as “the Empire of Lies.” Finally, the Russians have found an appropriate and suitably evocative response to Ronald Reagan’s memorable characterization of the Soviet Union as an “Empire of Evil.” This is a phrase that will ring around the world, first of all in Beijing…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 25 2022 5:28 utc | 284

Vintage Red 335.
The Country Formerly Known As ‘The Ukraine'”
Ie 404: “does not exist/ cannot be found “.
A term Saker, martyanov, Escobar have employed for some years.
Predictive programming????

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:29 utc | 285

Posted by: Cossack | Feb 25 2022 4:21 utc | 325

Odessa unites with Transnistria (and perhaps Gagauzia) as an exclave of Novorossia. No need to take the entire Black Sea coast.

Possibly. But it would be a mistake to not take the entire Black Sea coast.
Why leave more gaps where NATO can insert themselves to cause future problems?
If Russia takes the entire coast it will be the end of communications between what remains of the future Ukraine and Europe.
Landlock Ukraine (whatever it’s future and Putin can guarantee there will never ever be a Ukraine in NATO regardless of what happens going forward.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:31 utc | 286

The Pentagon, somewhere in its recesses, has one or more draft operations for an invasion of Australia.
Obviously these things aren’t made public.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 25 2022 5:32 utc | 287

Sheikh Imran Hossein’s take on this 5 years ago seems to have got the current events more right than any of the analysts here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i26LItOMGQo
Not a believer in voodoo or hokey middle eastern religions but this Islamic Eschatology stuff sure packs a punch!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:36 utc | 288

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:36 utc | 343
Trigger Warning for the communists among us on that last video: the Sheikh is not kind to communism!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:39 utc | 289

Could one major reason, if not the major reason, the Russians have attacked certain military sites among others in Ukraine be that these sites are hosting research laboratories for cultivating biological weapons?
Posted by: Jen | Feb 25 2022 3:49 utc | 315
“attacked certain military sites”
By “attacking” here one should mean bombing. Because thay is what Russian blitzkrieg for now consists of, destroying defense points, military tech and aelect installations with stand-off weapons and quickly raiding inside by highly mobile armored units.
But there are two, even three perhaps problems with bombong bio-labs.
1. You release all the bioweapon into the wild. Chances are, bioweapon would just die there, without special infection transmission devices/procedure. But also chances are it would happily start infecting everyone miles and miles around.
2. You destroy evidence, so then USA would cry crocodile tears about maniacal Putin destroying anti-Covid vaccine
3. You crack a “treasure trove” open and then it can be visited by kids out of curiosity, by bandits in search for American army grade weapons, by black dogfers looking for anything valueble to steal and sell, and so forth. If bioweapon did not break out just by bombs – it will break out by those visitors.
The last thing you want to do with bioweapon lab is to recklessly attack it.
Russia perhaps have more or less substantiated suspictions about said biolabs. But what it should do with them is to carefully isolate and seal them, then dispatch biology professionals to evaluate what was found, collect evidence and design a proper and safe decontamination procedure.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 5:43 utc | 290

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 25 2022 2:51 utc | 298
“Also missing was footage of the Odessa attack on the Trade Union Building. This not only showed trapped citizens being shot has they jumped from the windows to escape the fire as onlookers cheered (the jumpers had been locked in to the burning building), it also included footage of the aftermath of the fire including a woman whose charred body had telephone wire wrapped around the neck suggesting she was strangled before being burned. The position of her body suggested she had been raped prior to being killed. The video went on to declare that this was a fate that would befall all similar ‘rats’… I hope someone has retained a copy for presentation as prosecution evidence. It was chilling. Not something the 5-eyes would want you to see. ”
I too have remembered this war crime and never failed to throw it in the face of any who defend the Kiev junta or who doubt the Donbass Republics’ origin in people rising up against Nazi terror.
While researching today I found the The Odessa Massacre: What REALLY Happened, exposing the *agent provocateur* nature of Western attempts to blame the massacre on the antifascists (“They brought it on themselves”). The narrator said he wouldn’t include video footage of the killings and rape to avoid youtube removing his post, but that links to the original were included in comments. I am absolutely certain Russian prosecutors will be introducing them as evidence in coming trials.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:45 utc | 291

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:29 utc | 340
“State 404” was used in ru-net forums to mock euroinded ukrainians since at least 2015 if not 2014.
Pepe is just a bit ignorant of ru-net subculture and a bit slow on uptaking. Even Smoothie i believe used the term for few years. When Pepe only very recently met it for the first time – and immediately attributed its invention to Smoothie – it was hillarious, in somewhat post-modernist way.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 5:46 utc | 292

There is a parallel between Putin and Catherine the Great. Both, sophisticated, intelligent and diplomatic, but when drawn into conflict they ruthlessly slaughter their enemies.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 25 2022 5:48 utc | 293

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 5:43 utc | 345
During the 2008 war the Russians took a surgical approach to the bio weapons and other US run facilities as they swept down to Poti.
I expect they’ll take the same approach here.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2022 5:52 utc | 294

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:29 utc | 340
“The Country Formerly Known As ‘The Ukraine'”
Ie 404: “does not exist/ cannot be found “.
A term Saker, martyanov, Escobar have employed for some years.
Predictive programming????”
I’m aware of Martyanov’s “404” usage and find it apt. But I was more referring to The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, who changed his name to a glyphic symbol. TAFKAP became writers’ way of referring to him.
Perhaps TCFKAU will refer to the Wolfsangel “cookie coup” regime now dying its ugly death.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2022 5:55 utc | 295

“Like me and many other analysts Mearsheimer did not expect that a Russian move into the Ukraine would happen.”
That’s because you have not been listening.
V.P and S.L. have been talking about this for months.
The swans going down to Syria was a big clue.
The subs in the Med.
It was obvious that the last call was when nato refused any of the RU conditions.
Mr. Z.’s nuclear weapons faux pas may have triggered and maybe not. It was time. The weather was right. Soon it will all be mud.

Posted by: bobert | Feb 25 2022 5:58 utc | 296

Unfortunately it’s been the playground of too many external groups with nefarious objectives.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:25 utc | 337
It was always so. Last 1000 years or something.
All the bright individuals with consistency and “long-will” were either assimilated into Polish or Russian or Turkish or Austro-Hungary or any other then-controlling state hierarchy, or destroyed. But, one way or another removed from Ukrainian peasants gene and cultural pools.
You may consider evolution of people populating most of Ukraine territory a case of negative artifical selection.
It is a tragedy (but is there any nation that had no tragedies?).
Still, it made Ukrainians what they are.
“Let’s drown pollacks in moskal’s blood” for some lottle casual joy and damned be consequences-shmonsequences.
Whatever reasoning how they historically got shaped into current state, there is thay present problem of Ukraine and its population (including ruling elites) as it exists today.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 6:00 utc | 297

Perhaps the trigger wasn’t nukes but biolabs. Ukraine has 16 biolabs (maybe less now) run by the Americans. There’s a lot of stuff by Dilyana.bg on this. Just one recent page:
http://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us-biological-experiments-on-allied-soldiers-in-ukraine-and-georgia/
If you go through Twitter, @biolabclandestine has an interesting pov on this matter. His previous account was suspended for saying that Russia made her move because of the biolabs.

Posted by: Memory Regained | Feb 25 2022 6:04 utc | 298

On NATO expansion:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/trachtenberg/cv/19910307.pdf

Posted by: Paul | Feb 25 2022 6:06 utc | 299

@337 Melaleuca | Feb 25 2022 5:25 utc — “if it had been left to find and forge its own destiny”
Yes. I have great respect for the tides of history, where certain things must come to pass regardless of individual plays and players – but there are also some times where one person can shift the course of things in huge ways.
It seems that the fate of Ukraine hangs very much in the balance right now, on a knife edge, hanging by a thread – however we call it, very precarious. And Russia can be the deciding force, by one millimeter, by one gram, to tip the future of these borderlands down one path or another.
And to the extent that I sense the fragile hold that Ukraine has on its own destiny, to that same degree do I respect the kindness of Putin and his team in seeming to be so conscious of this, and so careful with this.
We are all holding our breath – in the noise and storm of warfare, not daring to drop a pin.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 25 2022 6:10 utc | 300