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February 24, 2022
Disarming Ukraine – Day 1

On February 15 Professor John J. Mearsheimer gave a talk (video) about the Ukraine crisis. He starts out (at 3min) by explaining who has caused it:

The United States, mainly, and its allies are responsible for this crisis.

I recommend to watch it in full.

Like me and many other analysts Mearsheimer did not expect that a Russian move into the Ukraine would happen. Why the Russian government finally decided to take that step is not clear to me. I believe that Zelensky's lose talk about acquiring nuclear weapons for the Ukraine was one of the decisive factors. Who told Zelensky to come up with that?

The Russian operation started with a volley of cruise missiles that destroyed air defense radars and missiles, military airports, ammunition depots and some military harbor. The followed ground attacks by armored forces from Belarus southward, form Russia westward and from Crimea northward. These progressed well though some tanks got destroyed by anti-tank missile fire. The ground moves have air cover and heavy artillery moving up behind them.

This map does not show the progress of the operation but a likely operational plan the Russian military might have.


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The plan seems to be to a. take Kiev, b. encircle the 60,000 strong Ukrainian force that was preparing to attack Donbas c. take the coast. 

A large fleet of helicopter with Russian parachuter took the Antonov / Hostomel airport some 20 miles from Kiev. They did not even bother with CNN filming them. A fleet of transport planes from Russia will soon land there and deliver more forces.

The nuclear reactors at Chernobyl have been secured by Russian troops.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claims Russian aircraft have destroyed, 83 ground targets, 2 Ukrainian Su-27s, 2 Su-24s, 1 helicopter, 4 Bayraktar TB-2 drones. One Ukrainian Su-27 has landed in Romania. The pilot was probably not interested in getting killed.

The Ukrainian air-defenses, airforce, navy, most large command and control elements and depots have ceased to exist. The moral of its ground troops will be generally low though some of the Nazi battalions may still be willing to fight.

It is not know yet how far the attack from the north has reached towards Kiev. The attack from Russian mainland is currently fighting around Kharkiv, the Ukraine's second biggest city. The most successful attack was from Crimea as it has progressed significantly. The canal which provides water to Crimea and had since 2014 been blocked by the Ukraine has been liberated. Dnieper water is again flowing to the island.

Russia has so far only committed a relatively small ground force. More troops will follow when the first echelons make more progress. Russia has held back from using ballistic missiles and only used cruise missiles. That is probably a message to the 'west' that Russia could escalate if needed.  There has also been little use so far of Russia's electronic warfare elements. Internet and telephone are working in all of the Ukraine except for Kharkiv which seems to have Internet problems.

The Russian stock market is down but gold, oil and gas are up and Russia has so far lost zero money.

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. Its is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.

Comments

Minsk 2 was agreed upon on February 15, 2015. Seven years. If you don’t talk to Lavrov, you will talk to Shoigu. I guess they are talking to Shoigu now. A much less pleasant conversation. And no smoke breaks.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 24 2022 21:52 utc | 101

On 19 February you wrote:
> Russia will not attack the Ukraine and will not target Kiev unless Russia itself is attacked in significant ways
Comes out, you utterly suck at predicting events I’m afraid. You apparently missed a simple fact: the guy is 70 years old, and the nature of his past job (curating RAF terrorists in Germany) must have left a stain on his mental abilities.

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 21:56 utc | 102

Ben 105

Nothing about this was spur of the moment.

I think Russia was expecting some response to its concerns, but Brandon totally stonewalled them.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 21:58 utc | 103

> if they will make Russia stronger by defunding the oligarchs
Wait, Putin was kind of “defunding” oligarchs since 1999. Instead, today he had a private meeting with them where he apparently apologized for reducing their wealth from 500000000000 to only 250000000000 while real wages in Russia are declining.
BTW anyone knows how are the “May decrees” from 2012 progressing?

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 21:59 utc | 104

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 21:56 utc | 127
You more than anyone need to watch this conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE
After viewing and attempting to comprehend, please return so that we can discuss whether or not anyone sucks at predicting events and more importantly why it matters at all given the context you will hopefully learn.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:00 utc | 105

@ oldhippie
I just noticed there’s a British deputy defense minister by the name of James Hippie, any relation?
😉

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 22:00 utc | 106

while real wages in Russia the Western de-industrialized world are declining.
Did you have significant holdings in energy futures or the Russian stock market? LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:02 utc | 107

> at least those people are not cancelled or vilified like oppositional voices in the West.
1033 people were arrested all around Russia for merely protesting. We don’t know yet if they will be cancelled yet. That up to the 70 years old man to decide.

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:02 utc | 108

> Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 21:58 utc | 128
Aaah, that “cheerful voice” one. I am not totally sure, as she speaks some Ukrainian, but it goes about that:
“At my home here missiles are flying… There! ….it flies”

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 22:02 utc | 109

The so called protests are the remnants of the networks which supporter Navalny, a figure with negligible popularity. They amount to rallies of a few hundred that are already smashed.
Russians overwhelmingly support this. No serious western analysis disputes that, even claiming the streets are a prime motivation for Putin to launch an attack.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 22:06 utc | 110

Brzęczyszczykiewicz | 135
People who post statements of fact without giving a source are ignored, at best.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 22:06 utc | 111

Posted by: BG13 | Feb 24 2022 20:21 utc | 61
Yes the Russian make the landing gears for boeing and airbus

Posted by: jo6pac | Feb 24 2022 22:06 utc | 112

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:02 utc | 135
In civilized democratic west people are fed to dogs for “merely protesting”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VICeJG_bayg
Evil bloody Putin so underperforms… He would never be seen civilized until he learns to love dogs more than people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/l4lo79/this_is_different_you_can_not_understand_%D1%81/
But down with chimera of moral equivalence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8q4trDHtjg

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 22:11 utc | 113

@Tom_Q_Collins
Sorry, I’m not really interested in watching some overseas tankies explain Putin to me. The context is simple: after months of military escalation on the Ukraine’s borders, and tankies swearing it’s just military training, and they are withdrawing, and Peskov saying “Russia never invaded anyone”, and Russian ambassadors laughing at any ideas of military invasion, and tankies repeating how peaceful Russia is and how US intelligence sucks at predicting Russian invasion… Russia started a military offensive against sovereign country of Ukraine, whom it for years bullied into a forced “brotherhood”, 100% by the US intelligence scenarios!
Surprised? I’m sure at least some of you at least felt a bit of the cognitive dissonance, similar to the one Western left felt when Stalin signed alliance with Nazi Germany in 1939 and happily split Poland.

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:11 utc | 114

@113 Your mom
I like the cut of your jib Sir/Ma’am.
1) They go through an awful lot to be British, and they fight as Brits. Good enough for me. They’re damn good fellas. Lachhiman Gurung is an extreme example of what a Gurkha can do. He’s definitely worth a quick read
2) Unfair. Flubber Boris would never have gotten the drop, and Andrew was busy flying.
On the subject of UK marines, they’d be in my choice of others (with Gurkha). If you haven’t watched it already, there’s a rather good documentary called the greatest raid on utoob. Credit where credit is due, marine commandos are tough, and seeing they’ve just been given a lot of SAS tasks (so the SAS can annoy the Chinese), they obviously aren’t crap either.
The rest is crap though. The yanks called us the borrower’s during Desert Storm…

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 24 2022 22:13 utc | 115

aquadraht
Just check any is-it-down page and see RT have huge problems past hours. That is likely due to an ongoing cyberattack.

Posted by: Zanon | Feb 24 2022 22:13 utc | 116

@Cesare
> Ukraine could simply have chosen not to shell the Donbas
It did not. If you read OSCE SMM report from 19 February you will clearly see that *all* of the weapon withdrawal violations were recorded on the “non-government controlled” side, that is Russian https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-19%20Daily%20Report.pdf This was precisely when Russia reported “heavy shelling of Donbass by UAF”. But UAF had no weapons to shell with, as they were all withdrawn. The weapons on the Russian side however were literally caught “with white smoke coming out of their barrels” (OSCE wording).

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:16 utc | 117

I’ve checked rt about once an hour all day. Nothing out of the ordinary. If it’s a cyberattack it must be amateur hour.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 22:17 utc | 118

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:11 utc | 142
That you apparently think “tankies” is even a relevant term/concept to this conversation tells us all we need to know about the vapidity of your analytical capabilities.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:18 utc | 119

OK, so regarding “defunding oligarchs”, have you googled Putin’s “May decrees” yet, y’all? How are they going?

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:18 utc | 120

What next in the fevered UKUSA brain?
Recall Zelensky mentioned nuclear weapons and then ‘poof’ like a punctured souffle.

If the U.S. attempted to deliver the kind of weapons that could alter the military balance between Russia and Ukraine, such as long-range missiles or missile defense systems, Moscow would almost certainly preempt their delivery with a military escalation. Better deterrence options would not take effect unless Russia conducted a significant escalation, making Moscow the initiator. Such an approach would worsen Russia’s security situation, potentially negating whatever security benefits it hoped to achieve by escalating in Ukraine. These options could include a commitment to deploy long-range missiles or missile defense systems to the Baltic countries in the event of an expanded Russian invasion.

From “the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a non-partisan organization that seeks to publish well-argued, policy-oriented articles on American foreign policy and national security priorities.”
It is always worth considering the thoughts of a mad dog and here they are. Will the ex ‘captive nations’ of the USSR now bristle with macho as the now ‘captive nations’ of the UKUSA? Or will they perhaps see sense in having quiet trading relations with their neighbors? I would like to see that but I want be placing any bets.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 22:20 utc | 121

Turning off the internet in a country has in the past always been an internal security measure. It is not something that an invader would be likely to do. It would not disrupt official communications, at least not badly, but it disrupts the communications between the citizens of a society. This is why it is ‘internal security’ that shuts down the internet, and always in cases where the government is under threat from a mass popular uprising. Invaders don’t care if the citizens talk to each other, in fact, if they spread the news of the progress of the invasion faster than the official sources who are usually reluctant to admit it, then that’s good for the invader.

Posted by: Tom Hollar | Feb 24 2022 22:20 utc | 122

As of 20:00 there’s now 1788 people arrested across Russia for merely holding banners “no to war in Ukraine”. Congratulations, I’m sure you were experiencing much more severe repressions in Germany and UK for not wearing masks in public 🙂 Here you can check how detainees in Russia are being reeducated https://gulagu-net.ru/

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:25 utc | 123

@Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 21:50 utc | 122

But how will the oligarchs loot money from Russia and evade taxes if they do not have offshore havens and sanctuaries like Londongrad?

That is spot on. The West, by its illegal sanctions, is midwiving a national bourgeoisie in Russia, that way stuffing an intrusion vector for fifth column. Congrats

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 24 2022 22:26 utc | 124

I am originally from Hungary. What I hear that Hungarians are mostly happy with what Putin had done. Hungarians in Eastern Ukraine (Munkacs) are ecstatic. After 8 years of oppression, they can finally be free.

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Feb 24 2022 22:28 utc | 125

Brzęczyszczykiewicz@153, they could get the Canadian treatment. Freeze their bank accounts and sell their assets.

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Feb 24 2022 22:30 utc | 126

> Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 22:24 utc | 152
That map is within his file, but it does not matter to him, “Russians are shelling Donbass citizens” old tune.
They guy also pretend blieving Michael Bociurkiv, loving to pose in UPA-M nazi uniform in the memory of his top rank UPA-M parents, is impartial guy, when he observes OSCE SMM work.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 22:31 utc | 127

@YourMom It tells a different story unless you actually read the OSCE SMM report which documents violations of weapon withdrawals, out of which ZERO happened in government-controlled zone, and dozens were recorded in Russian zone. Which coincides with the recorded ceasefire violations, where again dozens of “outgoing projectiles” are recorded in Russian zone, and 3 (three) in government-controlled zone.

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:32 utc | 128

> arrested for non compliance with mask regime and daring to protest it
Oh my god, how does that compare to being arrested by Ramzan Akhmatovich police in Russia?

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:35 utc | 129

Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:16 utc | 145
I do not believe the document you link to above should be interpreted in the way you claim.
You are correct that the weapon withdrawal violations cited in the report all occur in the non-government-controlled area.
However, there are multiple ceasefire violations reported on *both* the non-government-controlled and government-controlled areas for the time covered by the report–which is through 18 February 2022.
For example: “The majority of ceasefire violations were recorded in areas close to the disengagement area near Stanytsia Luhanska (government- controlled, 16km north-east of Luhansk) (see below), in areas north, south-west, north-west and north-north-west of Kadiivka (formerly Stakhanov, non-government-controlled, 50km west of Luhansk), and in areas close to the disengagement area near Zolote (government- controlled, 60km west of Luhansk).” (3)
Am I misunderstanding something? From me it looks like there is evidence of shelling from both non-governmental-controlled *and* governmental-controlled areas at least up through the time of this report.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 22:37 utc | 130

The quote below is from the latest ZH posting about Ukraine

Update(4:28pmET): The US and NATO are apparently doubling down: despite Ukraine seeing overwhelming Russian forced used to subdue the country (along with Belarussian troops), Ukraine’s Foreign Affairs Minister has announced Kiev will receive “new defensive weapons” from Washington.
Simultaneously, Ukraine’s defense minister says Russia is “preparing a new wave of attacks, including air strikes.”

I think Ukraine’s Foreign Affairs Minister is proficient at the Empire of Lies routine….how are those weapons going to get into Ukraine?….lol

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 22:37 utc | 131

JACK POT !!!
> how does that compare to being arrested y police in Russia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8q4trDHtjg

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 22:38 utc | 132

> OSCE only records what it observes
Precisely, this is precisely why Russian thugs “forcibly took the UAV’s control panel from the SMM and attempted, unsuccessfully, to land the UAV” (but they are imbeciles so the UAV was lost)
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512881

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:39 utc | 133

When will the MSM be taken down? But I only go there to learn the latest propaganda so no big deal. But everybody lies, as Renoir quips in the 1939 Rules of the Game. Such is the fog of war.
When I was younger, and living in the USA, I hoped for sone kind of collapse of this corrupted materialistic free market system. Now, as I’ve navigated it, and managed some degree of security, while I still hope for the collapse of the current miscreant class, it is with some reservation, as it means I may lose all that I have saved.
And the horrific possibilities should “miscalculations” occur, nobody would want that I don’t think. . .

Posted by: Geoff | Feb 24 2022 22:40 utc | 134

Ben #105

Are any of you going to even attempt to engage in self-reflection?

I have been reflecting on the instigator/onlooker’s point of view. The UKUSA I mean, as they are watching (as they will) the new reality being assembled for them as Russia moves on.
They knew it all those UKUSA victors. Note this 36 page analysis led by a team of clever observers of the emerging empire.
The lead author?

Frederick W. Kagan is a senior fellow and the director of the Critical Threats Project (CTP) at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). In 2009, he served in Kabul, Afghanistan, as part of General Stanley McChrystal’s strategic assessment team, and he returned to Afghanistan in 2010, 2011, and 2012 to conduct research for Generals David Petraeus and John Allen. In July 2011, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen awarded him the Distinguished Public Service Award, the highest honor the Chairman can present to civilians who do not work for the Department of Defense, for his volunteer service in Afghanistan. He is coauthor of the report Defining Success in Afghanistan and author of the series of reports Choosing Victory (AEI), which recommended and monitored the US military surge in Iraq. His most recent book is Lessons for a Long War: How America Can Win on New Battlefields. Previously an associate professor of military history at West Point, Dr. Kagan was a contributing editor at the Weekly Standard and has written for Foreign Affairs, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and other periodicals.

Now that is a long list of achievements ?
Karl Rove got the roles right (we are an empire now)but he mistook UKUSA for an empire when perhaps Eurasia is the empire du jour. With compassion and intelligent leaders, we will reflect on an empire unlike any of the past few centuries. I trust you share that aspiration.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 22:41 utc | 135

Igor Strelkov’s analysis of today’s action(s)
Igor Strelkov’s summary of the first day of operations, published a few hours ago
The offensive was completely unexpected and the missile strikes established immediate Russian air and naval dominance.
There are four main theaters of ground operations.
1. Southern Front: Russians launched an offensive north out of Crimea. There was a naval landing at Genichensk, and helicopter landings at Kherson and Novaya Kakhovka. The Ukrainian front collapsed immediately, and now the enemy’s army is not present in this area at all. Bridgeheads have been created across the Dnieper for further advances. Attempts by the Ukrainians to form a front are discouraged by airstrikes. Russians reached Melitopol during the night.
The main strike groups will continue their offensive along the Dnieper, to the cities of Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, towards Nikolaev, and in the rear of the army group in Donbass.
2. Donbass Front: The DPR is conducting a limited offensive towards Volnovakha, in order to threaten Mariupol and link up with the Southern Front. This has tied up thousands of Ukrainian troops.
The LPR offensives across the river have no real strategic objective besides tying up the Ukrainian forces to prevent them from being sent to Kharkov, and to keep them pinned down and encircled. They will continue heavy combat tomorrow to prevent the enemy from withdrawing.
3. The “Russian Front:” Sumy, Konotop, and almost the entire Sumy province were captured; the enemy either did not intend to resist, or had insufficient numbers. Progress is being made towarde Chernigov and Russian units continue to advance deeper and outflank the Ukrainians resisting at Kharkov. Russians cannot allow Kharkov to remain under enemy control, and battles will continue to capture it tomorrow.
4. The Kiev Front: The airborne operation to capture the Gostomel airbase was a complete surprise to Ukrainian command. Now, these forces must link up with those crossing the border at Chernobyl, in order to prevent Ukrainian counterattacks. If the connection is made soon, the fate of Kiev is clear.
In general: Simultaneous attacks in many directions have made the Ukrainian forces the weaker sider on every front. Thousands of them are sitting in Odessa, far away from any battlefield. Thousands more are deployed on the Belarusian border and not seeing any combat.
– Igor Strelkov

RyBar’s view….
Military setting:
🔹 Kiev direction: Russian MTR forces landed at the Gostomel airfield, which hold the airfield until the main forces approach. According to the Ukrainian media, a massive Russian landing is planned. Apparently, the Ukrainians are being lured into a fire bag in order to deliver a massive blow and break into the defenses of Kiev on the eastern flank. Another grouping of troops is expected to approach from Zhytomyr.
🔹 Sumy direction: by midnight fierce battles broke out in the city. Part of Sumy is on fire. Partially transferred reinforcements from Kiev. Taken under control of Konotop.
🔹 Kharkiv direction: despite the advance of Russian troops on the northeastern outskirts of the city, the Armed Forces of Ukraine still hold Kharkiv, transferring reinforcements to the Tsirkunov area. Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine undermined the dam on the Pechenezh reservoir.
🔹 Kherson direction: several regional districts have been taken under control. The city itself is under the control of the administration. Aircraft overflights and explosions were noted at midnight. The Crimean Canal was unblocked, water went to the Crimea.
🔹 Zaporozhye direction: Melitopol is blocked, Russian troops control the situation in the city. A shock fist is going to advance to Zaporozhye.
🔹 Donbass-Lugansk direction: in some areas, LDNR units advanced to a depth of up to 7 km and are successfully developing the offensive. Near Kramatorsk, closer to midnight, shooting began. The Azov battalions and other Nazi units were destroyed. A massive attack on Mariupol is expected. In general, the forces of the LDNR tied up a huge grouping of troops in the zone of the “Ukrainian operation”.
🔹 Odessa direction: in the morning the base of the Ukrainian Navy in Ochakiv was destroyed. In the evening, Zmeiny Island in the north-west of the Black Sea was taken. A naval landing operation is expected in Odessa itself.

Would seem that Russia is “Going for Broke”.
I personally am of the opinion that Zelensky’s outburst threatening to obtain nuclear weapons for the purpose of subduing DonBas and Crimea, was the trigger.
This op was planned over many years.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 24 2022 22:42 utc | 136

@YourMom
> you got evidence of German aresstees
You should send your German arrestees to Chechnya, they will get a bottle inserted into their rectum as part of masculinity treatment https://gulagu-net.ru/ But hey, president Kadyrov is a close friend of president Putin so how could be be the bad guy?

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:42 utc | 137

@Brzęczyszczykiewicz (142)
Yeah sure — it was all unprovoked. You come across as a loudmouth on a thick skull.
And you choose to remain clueless, even though the other poster gave you an excellent opportunity to be elucidated. That invalidates you whining here from this point on, mister alphabetsoup.

Posted by: bjd | Feb 24 2022 22:43 utc | 138

Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:16 utc | 145
Also, where did you come from? How did you find this site? Are you being paid to post here? Or are you simply moved by passion to voice your views on this relatively small outlet of minority opinion in the west? You seem proficient, in a way, which I find interesting.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 22:44 utc | 139

@149 Your mom
…yes, I was just being a smartass…
Don’t stop, it makes me smile!
…I concede…
Read up on Lachhiman Gurung as penance.

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 24 2022 22:46 utc | 140

After learning that Russia is determined to attack Ukraine until it’s completely demilitarized, the best thing US politicians can come up with is a plan to send Ukraine more weapons.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 22:47 utc | 141

https://tass.com/world/1405555

IENNA, February 17. /TASS/. The Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) registered almost 10,000 ceasefire violations in eastern Ukraine since the start of 2022, Russia’s Deputy Permanent Representative to the OSCE, Maxim Buyakevich, said on Thursday.
“Since the start of the year, SMM registered approximately 10,000 violations. Shelling attacks targeting Donbass cities and causing immense human suffering are becoming a sad, but routine occurrence,” he told the OSCE Permanent Council in Vienna.
According to the authorities of the self-proclaimed eastern Ukrainian republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, 12 populated areas on their territory were attacked with the use of various types of arms, including large-caliber weaponry, on Wednesday alone.
Additional measures ensuring the Donbass ceasefire have been in effect in Donbass since July 27, 2020. Under the agreement, the parties to the conflict are banned from using weapons and drones, deploying heavy weapons to populated localities and adding engineering equipment at their positions. Tensions in Donbass started to escalate on January 9, with the Ukrainian military conducting shelling attacks along the entire line of contact.

If the cease fire violations were so heavily one sided as our newfound troll more than implies, where is the Western media’s accounting of the overwhelming violations on the part of the separatists compared to the Ukrainian government?
All I’ve been able to find are mealy mouthed and vague statements from France24. Meanwhile the vast majority of violations logged by OSCE are not attributed to either side.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:51 utc | 142

@WJ
> evidence of shelling from both non-governmental-controlled
Thank you for fact-based discussion. If we take the same 19 Feb report https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-19%20Daily%20Report.pdf page 8, there’s the table of weapon withdrawal violations. There’s close to a hundred on the Russian side, and there’s ZERO on Ukrainian side. And we’re talking about units like 20+ “Grad” launchers on the Russian side, no jokes.
Now when we get to the ceasefire violations table, it’s a well-known fact that OSCE SMM is only allowed to report what they directly saw, heard or recorded because the team consists of observers from all countries, including Ukraine, Russia and Belarus. They were unable to asses the violations they recorded as “unknown”, and so cannot we. But if you could all of the recorded violations where the origin is actually known, you will see there were dozens of projectiles flying from Russian side to Ukraine, and close to none (three) from Ukraine to Russian side.
Combine that with the presence of artillery units recorded by OSCE (first table) and you’ll get the full picture. Actually, if you scroll to page 15 you’ll see a very interesting – and recorded – pattern from Pervomaisk. 11 projectiles outgoing, and 11 projectiles incoming, at exactly the same time. How come? Do draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:52 utc | 143

@Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:35 utc | 162
I saw the footage of demonstrations in Moscow all the last years, now also against the war. No water cannons, no tear gas, no horses, no rubber bullets, mostly not even batons. There were arrests, and the detained posted selfies on the internet while on police cars.
I witnessed and sometimes participated in demonstrations in Germany (not the receht corona related ones, but saw footage). When arrested, your mobile is seized immediately, happy when you get it back undamaged. Often, the hands of the arrested are handcuffed with cable binders which cut into the ankles and cause bleeding wounds after short time. Frequently, water cannons are used, even in winter, water sometimes mixed with irritants (danger of death for allergics). Such is even used against people with children at times.
I know that police can be unpleasant everywhere, but don’t tell your fairy tales, scum. The Russian demonstrators are usually released soon, only the organizers paying fines, sometimes get 10 days in Russia.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 24 2022 22:52 utc | 144

Exlnatation “why” should include “why now” part
Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 20:41 utc | 73
O.k.
– Germany has a new government
– France is in election mode
– Biden is week
– BoJo is week
– Western stock markets are inflated
– the Russians have all Westerns at the balls because of gas- and oil-prices
– Belarus, Kazakhstan were secured
– Russians have Zircon & S400/500 & …
As far as I know the Russians didn’t want to go into Syria because they weren’t ready for an open confrontation with the West. Around 2020 would fit better. But they did it then (and nearly nothing happened).
If this is about to help the two provinces, the Russians should have helped them earlier. Therefore there should be other reasons. I think my last points are important.
Sorry I did’nt have time to read the other posts. Maybe your question was answered already.

Posted by: schkid | Feb 24 2022 22:54 utc | 145

LOL
Reuters headline says
Wall Street Rallies as West Hits Russia With New Sanctions
Empire of lies bought and paid for by the cult that owns the global system of finance….manufacture yourself a headline…

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 22:54 utc | 146

jo6pac #139
“Yes the Russian make the landing gears for boeing and airbus”
Well, given the recent landing technique adopted by Boeing, they are no longer dependent on those imports.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 22:54 utc | 147

https://tass.com/russia/1406721

DONETSK/LUGANSK, February 20. /TASS/. Eleven ceasefire violations by Ukrainian troops were reported in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republics (DPR) and fifteen violations were reported in the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) after noon on Sunday, the republics’ missions to the Joint Control and Coordination Center said.
Thus, seven settlements came under shelling in the DPR and eleven settlements came under shelling in the LPR. Ukrainian troops used 120mm mortars, 122mm artillery systems, grenade launchers and heavy machineguns.
The situation along the contact line in eastern Ukraine took a turn for the worse in the morning of February 17. The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics report the most massive shelling by the Ukrainian military over the past months. There have been no reports of deaths, but one civilian woman was wounded and the shelling damaged some civilian facilities.
Amid the mounting threat of combat actions, the self-proclaimed republics on Friday announced the evacuation of civilians to Russia. On Saturday, the Donbass republics announced general mobilization.

Obviously this is from Russian state media, but I ask again – if in fact the truth is the opposite and the majority of cease fire violations are occurring in the other direction, where is an accounting and analysis of the OSCE document linked by our new interloper? Seems that in this war of information that would be one of the first allegations trotted out into the flesh by the western media, yet I can find nothing equivalent to the TASS reports from them.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:56 utc | 148

Saker is under major DDOS..

Posted by: Lozion | Feb 24 2022 23:00 utc | 149

Going to the table beginning on page 8 of the paid troll’s link to the OSCE document, the vast majority of reported violations in the non-government-controlled zones are “heard” “explosions” – Wouldn’t it stand to reason that “explosions” heard in the non-government-controlled zone(s) are the result of shelling/artillery fire coming from the government-controlled areas?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 23:00 utc | 150

One can only marvel at the capacity of western extruded electoral products and talking heads for unbridled hypocrisy bereft of the slightest hint of self-reflection.
They are seriously out of fucking touch, with reality and with humanity at large.
They could very well be empty suits puppeteered by alien parasites; although it’s doubtful that extraterrestrials could so perfectly nail such an act of vacuous sanctimoniousness with a shit-eating grin.
Videogame footage is being passed off as real, and officially-endorsed opinators very calmly reinforce the absolute demonization of Vlad the Invader.
Actual words:
“everything that Putin says is false”
“the Russian Federation has no legitimate interests”
These god-forsaken atlanticists sure need some sense beat into them.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 24 2022 23:00 utc | 151

February 13th, 60% of western personell and 40% of Ukrainian personnel flee OSCE SMM.
https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/news-obse-vidpustky-na-tli-eskalaciji/31710557.html
Other sources like GordonUA even claim they were ordered to flee.
What did their governments plan for ?
—-
https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-18%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf?itok=23379
On 17 February, the Mission followed up on reports of damage to a working kindergarten in
the north-western part of Stanytsia Luhanska (government-controlled, 16km north-east of
Luhansk), located about 4.5km north-west of the north-western edge of the disengagement area
near Stanytsia Luhanska.
The SMM was only able to conduct its assessment from a distance of about 50m from the
north-eastern facade and of about 30m from the south-western facade of the damaged building,
as a law enforcement officer did not allow the Mission to access the site saying that an
investigation was ongoing.
===
What was Kievan regime hiding from OSCE while infesting MSM with photos of the kindergarten having a pierced wall near intact windows?

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 23:01 utc | 152

Posted by: Lozion | Feb 24 2022 23:00 utc | 185
Saker.is loads fine and quickly for me here in the US.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 23:01 utc | 153

Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 22:51 utc | 178
Somewhere at the OSCE site I think they have maps of recorded explosions. b has one of those maps here https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/02/ukraine-who-is-firing-at-whom-and-who-is-lying-about-it.html#more

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 23:03 utc | 154

“Are any of you going to even attempt to engage in self-reflection?”
Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 21:29 utc | 105
Fair question Ben. Let’s start.
Of course the assault was pre announced to nato. Who immediately withdrew their top assets and vips to Poland. There are surely Back Channels to do make sure that it doesn’t go nuclear accidentally. I now understand why the ‘full tonto’ angry comment was put out in the MSM. He must have known it was coming and Nato wouldn’t- couldn’t – stop it.
We after all are mostly out here daily struggling to understand how to make the world behave better than it had for centuries.
We don’t have any influence over these with fingers on triggers.
It is horrible that Ukraine is yet again bearing the brunt of Ambitions in less than a century. Civilians and military citizens die and massive destruction of infrastructure is not a way of settling differences. I even think these crazies and mercenaries who are there ought to be spared if they are capable of giving up their killing ways.
It is a clear lesson for us to all stop further escalation and baiting. I don’t want it to spread. How we got here and why is the real problem.
I hope you find that an honest answer.
Now a question for you.
When a Red Line is declared and ignored should we be surprised by a surprise?

Posted by: Dungroanin | Feb 24 2022 23:03 utc | 155

@Brzęczyszczykiewicz
Let me ask you straight.
Do you think the invitation of The Ukraine into NATO in 2008 was a good idea, or a mistake?

Posted by: bjd | Feb 24 2022 23:04 utc | 156

Brzęczyszczykiewicz #142
Comrade, they all plan for scenarios of foreign policy and conflict triggers. I posted few from the loony UKUSA side above. There are no doubt plenty within Russia and I am sure the espionage profession on both sides is busy collecting and collating same.
On a lighter note. I suggest Russia should go all the way to the western border of Ukraine and subdue the nazi heartland, restore some structure of representative government and constitution that is acceptable and functional for the peace of the people.
What do you think? Do you think that nazis should be given free reign or should they be attenuated so as to cause no trouble and no political access?
Also on the light side, once the entire Ukraine is calmed down, Russia will be able to manage gas supply to the European consumers and even upgrade that aged and deteriorated pipeline.
Voila!! no NS2 issue any more :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 23:05 utc | 157

Dr. Oprisko, at #170
“I personally am of the opinion that Zelensky’s outburst threatening to obtain nuclear weapons for the purpose of subduing DonBas and Crimea, was the trigger.”
I totally agree with this; and b mentioned much the same. Russia cannot and will not ever allow any offensive or nuclear weapons in the Ukraine – no more than the US would allow such in Sonora, Mexico or Quebec in Canada etc.
thanks so much for the two summaries by Igor Strelkov and RyBar. very helpful. As a I look at a rather detailed map of Ukraine too it tells me quite easily what routes they are following.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 23:07 utc | 158

WJ @173–
It’s what we term a sophisticated troll, and they come in many stripes. Several past examples showed up, zanon being the most prominent. Their duty is to stymie and disrupt the discourse flow; and as you can see, they’ve been successful. That’s why we say, Don’t feed the Trolls.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2022 23:07 utc | 159

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 24 2022 22:52 utc | 179
So there’s a couple of things I still don’t understand.
1. The summary report clearly reports cease-fire violations as coming from both non-government-controlled and government-controlled regions.
2. The table contains very many instances of (1) explosions in non-government controlled regions and (2) projectiles in government-controlled regions, some of which are going in one direction, others of which are going in the other.
So I still believe that the summary and table section of the OSCE report supports the view that there was firing back and forth from both the government-controlled area and non-government controlled area.
Can you explain to me again how we *know* that “there were dozens of projectiles flying from Russian side to Ukraine, and close to none (three) from Ukraine to Russian side.” I just don’t see how we can know this based upon the information in the report.
I think I am misunderstanding something.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 23:09 utc | 160

@Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 21:43 utc | 117
To believe that, you have to be willing to believe that the Ukrainian forces outside Donbass were, just a couple days ago, willing to attack into the teeth of the Russian military. The same Donbass front that is now completely disintegrating mostly without a fight to those same Russian forces. Doesn’t pass the smell test.

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 23:12 utc | 161

Misotheist #187
Comrade you deserve a medal for watching that sh!t ‘for analytical purposes’ of course. Allow me to shout you at the bar for the next five therapeutic hours.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 23:12 utc | 162

Russia invaded which is something I did not expect them to do. This gives NATO the legitimacy it needed to stay relevant and gives the neocons what they always wanted (bloody up Russia some more and weaken it even more). The following article gives a good insight into why they attacked and it has some sound arguments.
moscows-compellence-strategy

“From Moscow’s perspective, the TB2 strike and the HMS Defender incident were public embarrassments that tested Russia’s credibility, especially after the publicity surrounding the spring buildup and the summit with Biden. So, it is not surprising that the Kremlin decided to change its approach. Russia deemed the status quo unacceptable and saw trend lines undermining its position. Its coercive measures in the spring failed to deter Ukraine’s defense modernization, NATO support for Kyiv, or “anti-Russian” policies adopted by President Zelensky. As a result, Moscow changed its approach from deterrence to compellence.”

“When assessing Moscow’s cost-benefit analysis of using force in Ukraine, it is important to consider not just the likely costs of an escalation now, but also the costs of not taking action.

On a sidenote: Does anyone know why they attacked chernobyl? Is it because of the forces stationed there or because they wanted to guard the radioactive waste there? (to prevent someone from building a dirty bomb or?!?).

Posted by: Gehennah | Feb 24 2022 23:20 utc | 163

@Gehennah
The exclusion zone is the shortest route to Kiev.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 23:22 utc | 164

Advanced attack …
Malware #HermeticWiper installed
https://www.sentinelone.com/labs/hermetic-wiper-ukraine-under-attack/

Posted by: Oui | Feb 24 2022 23:23 utc | 165

Richard Medhurst and Scott Ritter discuss the disarming of Ukraine. 38 minutes utoob.
The “demilitarising” / “denazification” of Ukraine. Debate is about ‘limited’ incursion or an invasion of the entire Ukraine. Ritter is a tad vague/divided but it is a good discussion.
Richard seems pleased with events 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 23:25 utc | 166

@Oui | Feb 24 2022 23:23 utc | 204
Snake oil traders (as German information security wonk “Fefe” Felix von Leitner calls “antivirus software” sellers) try to cook their soup on the fires of war. Bright idea. Fear sells.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 24 2022 23:30 utc | 167

YourMom | 9

Really impressed with this “just enough, just at the right time” Russian approach to military tech application.
refreshing change from the complete NATO tech-overkill we have seen so often in plave like Afg/Iraq/Libya/&Syria, which so often results in seemingly deliberate mass civilian casualties.

The Russians have been engaged in Syria for 7 years.
They’re kept the US and Turkey corralled, had minimal loss of men and toys and have been so successful you never here about the war in Syria anymore.
Almond there entire military has completed active service in Syria.
The have upgraded, improved and adapted to war post 2020. They Russians are the only true modern fighting force. All other militaries are still fighting wars from 20 to 70 years ago.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 23:37 utc | 168

Posted by: schkid | Feb 24 2022 22:54 utc | 181
Now that list is better than just some Dugin’s astroturfing book, which is equally right or wrong for any year.
> As far as I know the Russians didn’t want to go into Syria because they weren’t ready for an open confrontation with the West.
My reading is different. I believe there were two factors.
1) EuroMaidan as a mean to prevent Russia from going into Syria
2) Syrian and Iranian forces sure about their own power and wisdeom and unwilling to play to Russia’s tune.
You have to remembewr that EuroMaidan happenned in aa very unfortunate tim, and Putin openly claimes it was a “false start”.
Yes, Russian Olympic was tainted, that is a West’s win. But other than that:
1a) USA-driven Yanukovich (PRed to somehow being pro-Russian or even Putin’s serf) had to move Ukraine into EU Association and kills its economy and hold the backet. This would be a huge blow to eveyrone associated with Party of Regions and Ukrainian East. Instead this Associationg and economy collapse was inherited by Yatzenyuk (who just refused to sign it) abd then Proshenko (who initially refused to sign it too, but was later coerced to do so)
1b) The legal elections were agreed to be held in just few months. Russia was contracted to loan $12B to Ukraine! While for public EuroMaidan team decried this “bribe to Yanukovich” in reality EU and Yatzenyuk made many please to keep paying them. However the illegality of coup made Russia exempt from 90% of the loan (except the first tranche already received by Kiev).
1c) The overt criminality of coup gave legal pretext to both Crimea and East of Ukraine to renounce Kievan regime representational rights as well, as focus point for anger and uncertainty for enforcers. Crimea did their rejection wholeheartedly, while East only did it “until new president elections” (see joint assembly of Ukraine south and east deputies). However for few months Kiev did not had legal power over Ukrainian regions that gave East some time to organize resistance.
1d) Girkin/Strelkov was unknown no-one, then out of the sudden all MSM started praising and whitewashing him like there were no other fighters. He used this publicity to continuously demand Russia abandon Syria and only focus on Ukraine. He also boasted how he personally started the war in Ukraine, which was touted by Ukrainian propaganda. He is a rather shady person.
So i believe the whole EuroMaidan story was kickstarted by EU need to stall Russian intervention into Syria.
As for the rest… I think we should start with Putin’s “non-ultimatum” of December 2021. Donbass escalation is effected by it.
– Germany has a new government
So what? Au contre, it means the government has a lot of leeway yet, calculating they have enough time to make any PR failure forgotten before next elections.
– France is in election mode
Ambivalent. Macron could choose authentically hawkish approach to boost his scores. If that was a game – it was risky one.
– Biden is weak
– BoJo is weak
Was the same 6 months ago, would be the same 6 months later.
– Western stock markets are inflated
Was the same 6 years ago, would be the same 6 years later (unless the collapse)
– the Russians have all Westerns at the balls because of gas- and oil-prices
USA have their gas and Saudi oil, EU are American vassals and economical food to be killed
– Belarus, Kazakhstan were secured
West detonated all the petarts they had?
Maybe, then add Armenia to the list.
– Russians have Zircon & S400/500 & …
Not sure that is relevant. Because again this state is not instant, but continuous. And also because that won’t matter for M.A.D., and i don’t believe in limited USA vs Russia war.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 23:40 utc | 169

“The US stock market is now down … nothing.
Cryptos are recovering strongly…”
My opinion: the stock market responds more to certain vs. uncertain than it does to good/bad. I think this just means investors have more of a sense how this is going to go and have priced it in.

Posted by: ian | Feb 24 2022 23:47 utc | 170

uncle tungsten @193–
Gazprom should disconnect the entire string and use the pipe to refurbish the Ukrainian pipeline, except EU idiots are sanctioning the importation of Russian hydrocarbons. In his essay republished in English yesterday, Sergey Karaganov suggests Russia forget about the remainder of Europe for a few years so they can learn how important Russia is to their wellbeing and gain their independence from the Outlaw US Empire. I see Biden’s crying again. I’ll be very curious to learn what’s discovered at the Biowarfare labs the Russians will capture.
The Neoliberalcons could’ve had the Russian Bear as a friend and helped cure its wounds. Instead, they tried to kill the Bear but didn’t come close to finishing the job. Putin and his team along with the vast majority of Russians decided that enough was too much and it need to be stopped. Recall the Duma vote had only 16 nay votes against versus 361 ayes. Yesterday’s Russian holiday was Defender of the Fatherland Day, but there’s little in Putin’s address at his annual wreath laying at the Unknown Soldiers Monument of what was to transpire. This is the only hint I detect, but it differs little from previous words:
“On this day, we have sincere, heart-felt words of gratitude for the Great Patriotic War veterans. We will always remember that you, the valiant generation of victors, crushed Nazism and saved our country and the entire world from this barbaric, merciless force. Your feat is a summit of human history, a great example for all those who are serving today in the Army and the Navy, and protecting Russia from external threats on land, in air and at sea.”
Too many are ignorant of the very important fact that the Outlaw US Empire saved many Nazi and Japanese war criminals from their deserved fate while importing many as the initial members of its Terrorist Foreign Legion and dispatching others directly from Occupied Europe into Russian controlled Eastern Europe, thus making it “natural” for its continual promoting of Neo-Nazism withing Europe and elsewhere. So, personally, I don’t see any grounds for any anti-Russian actions–but then, I’m informed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2022 23:47 utc | 171

Not sure if this was posted here as I have not read in detail all of 200 plus comments but this speech by Putin, lengthy as it is, is well worth reading-he lays it out in detail: (did not have the time to find the original source so saker’s version should suffice)
https://thesaker.is/address-by-the-president-of-the-russian-federation-february-24-2022/

Posted by: Thomas | Feb 24 2022 23:47 utc | 172

“it looks like Ukies might have sabotaged the site before scarpering.”
YourMom |@206
It’s clear that the nuclear threat, mentioned by Zelensky but always a danger given the Ukraine’s central role in the USSR, is something that Russia takes very seriously.
Allowing Nazis, with their apocalyptic longings, close to nuclear materials is very dangerous. Add the fact that the Banderites regard Russians as subhumans suited to incineration and the question is not why the Russian Army has occupied Chernobyl but why NATO was so cavalier and irresponsible as not to do it themselves when they were running the country as they have been since 2014

Posted by: bevin | Feb 24 2022 23:48 utc | 173

Gehennah #202
Importantly that compellence strategy that you and I linked is from “the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a non-partisan organization that seeks to publish well-argued, policy-oriented articles on American foreign policy and national security priorities.”
It is the Atlanticist / NATO point of view.
In Russia’s point of view (+China, Iran etc) one thing is abundantly clear. The west is out to destroy them. No iffs or buts there, they are to be destroyed in the interests of the west’s hegemony. Plus it is racist denigration non stop wall to wall in the MSM. Truly appalling stuff.
NS2 is the barometer in the water that Russia installed to so it could get a true fix on German intentions into the future.
Germany, an extremely powerful NATO member, just elected a quisling government ready to fully betray its own domestic and industrial interests to be part of this assault. Its nonsense about formalities and licensing and regulations are transparently delay tactics and Germany is happy to see its citizens pockets being picked by ‘energy brokers’ selling spot price gas while Russia offers low price, long term contracts.
xototox in the first post on another thread, mentioned Cum-ex scandal and Sholz role in the plunder of $$$billions of German taxpayer dollars to the big UKUSA banks. Sholz is a fully captive leader of the UKUSA. Merkel was not so much.
Hence Germany will now be pushing NATO to enlarge more than before. The attacks on Russia will escalate.
Russia will be fully aware of its peril. In accordance with prosecuting for a renewed restraint and architecture to exclude aggression between NATO+UKUSA and Russia, it warned it would use military/technical means to push back. It has clearly set out a new rapprochement to achieve security that is mutual and excludes threatening force installations.
It is well past time for the west to clean house and find capable negotiators to settle down to the task. It is a long shot but there is always hope.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 23:51 utc | 174

consider the source….
Bellingcat exec director.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1496886660440932352
Incredible. Germany, Italy, Hungary and Cyprus are blocking a decision to disconnect Russia from the SWIFT network. I expected Italy, Hungary and Cyprus. But GERMANY? Shameful.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 23:55 utc | 175

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 23:12 utc | 200
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 🍻
Usually I don’t even bother, but for such a momentous event I thought I should.
Western authorities and MSM are really living in a world of fantasy, I guess that’s what eventually happens when you buy your own lies.
Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 23:25 utc | 206
Well, shit.
Were the Ukronazis short of reasons for other people to want to hunt them down?
I really hope the crack teams of russian nuclear engineers are not lagging too far behind the crack teams of russian special forces… because otherwise we’re proper fucked (again)
Rumors on TV of PRC planes over Taiwan.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 24 2022 23:55 utc | 176

What will happen to Zelensky? The end of this article proves interesting.
https://m-weddle.medium.com/why-the-large-russian-army-surrounding-ukraine-c660c02f5b1e
Comparisons with Syria:
https://m-weddle.medium.com/syrian-ukrainian-geopolitical-parallels-58d06955a477

Posted by: Michael R Weddle | Feb 24 2022 23:55 utc | 177

Modest advice to Russia:
Please organise in every Ukrainian Oblast a referendum with the following options:
– Do you want to be independant?
– If not, do you want to belong to Ukraine?
– Or do you want to belong to the Russian Federation?
Simple and straightforward.

Posted by: Olivier | Feb 24 2022 23:56 utc | 178

Ben | 199

To believe that, you have to be willing to believe that the Ukrainian forces outside Donbass were, just a couple days ago, willing to attack into the teeth of the Russian military. The same Donbass front that is now completely disintegrating mostly without a fight to those same Russian forces. Doesn’t pass the smell test.

I suppose the former were a small unit of Azov commando types, while the latter were qualified to take potshots at civilians.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 23:57 utc | 179

> To believe that, you have to be willing to believe that the Ukrainian forces outside Donbass were, just a couple days ago, willing to attack into the teeth of the Russian military
Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 23:12 utc | 199
That is the typical retroactive view after a huge mistake.
1938 – Poland happily publishes funny cartoons how they kicked savage Ivan out of Europe, while they happily partition occupied Czechoslovakia.
early 1939 – Poland boldly ignore’s German demands and boasts how they soon be in Berlin
Fatal miscalculation.
late 1939 – Poland cries how two big meanies Germany and USSR abused small docile Poland.
Retroactively we know Poland really was weak and incompetent and we project it to Polish pre-1939 thinking. And we project it to Polish minds and we think Polish government and elites in 1938 though the same. But they though differently. Polish elites were dead set that they are giants and USSR with Germany are dwarves with clay feet.
=====
2008-08-07 – Saakashvili believes in his new army, modernized by NATO and Israel, and decrees to start shelling Tskhinvali (publicly on Georgian TV!) and Russian army posts (totally killing on of them). So do Western and Georgian MSM, boasting how Russian military are beating bags.
Fatal miscalculation.
2008-08-09 – Russian army moves in at large and gives NATO-Georgian run for the money. Suddenly everyone sings about “small weak frightened Georgia that could never ever have a thought to attack”.
Retroactively we know Georgia was paper tiger, but decreeing agression Saakashvili thought himself real thing.
=====
Summer 1999, Yeltsin’s rotting Russia. Just humiliated in Serbia. Chechnya (de facto independent yet given free reign to draw from Russian budget) invades Russia (Dagestan region), nullifying prior ceasefire. They expect to humiliate and put Russia on her knees again, like they did just few years ago.
Fatal miscalculation.
Summer 2000, Russian army, while not the best tool, yet much better than in 1997, steamrolls Chechen army.
However try recalling that Chechen invasion and propaganstists immediately start that very song, “who can believe small weak Chechnya could ever thing of…”. Despite the invasion being vastly and gleefully documented.
Except that Chechnya thought herself strong and agile and Russia weak and paralyzed.
=====
And so forth.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:00 utc | 180

A bit of ‘strange but true’ from Canada pertaining to war in Ukraine—
After promising just non-lethal aid, Canada sent two shipments of lethal aid which I’m sure were blown up now at some ammunition depot. (This is not satire, this is the actual information.) “Canadian arms earmarked for Kurds now going to Ukraine, but minus the anti-tank weapons.” “The package of equipment, weapons and ammunition is the same one promised in 2016 to the Kurds, but put in storage after Iraq objected to the shipment.”
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-arms-earmarked-for-kurds-now-going-to-ukraine-but-minus-the-anti-tank-weapons
At about 11 am today local time, Quebec is promising to take in refugees from Ukraine.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2022-02-24/guerre-en-ukraine/quebec-ouvre-sa-porte-aux-refugies.php
Now is probably a good time to make a reminder that 95 percent or so of the Canadian troops who are/were (some relocated to elsewhere in Europe) in Ukraine are from Quebec. Might be also worth noting that both PM Trudeau and Foreign Affairs Minister Joly are elected from Montréal (as is Environment Minister, Steven Guilbeault and Minister of Crown-Indigenous Affairs, Marc Miller).
Chief of Defence Staff for Canada, General Wayne Eyer put out a statement, in it he notes “The return of a time of struggle and great power competition: when larger nations employed force to conquer their neighbours, redrawing borders in the hopes of regaining a past glory that was never truly theirs.” For any country in the Americas (yes including Canada) that sentiment is not comforting.
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/maple-leaf/defence/2022/02/cds-message-invasion-ukraine.html

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 25 2022 0:03 utc | 181

Brzęczyszczykiewicz | 216 totally nazi, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfI-ZukxPcU
The black and red flags are the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, no?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 25 2022 0:07 utc | 182

Posted by: bevin | Feb 24 2022 23:48 utc | 215
> why NATO [decided not to guard nuclear waste]
indeed, why?
> Add the fact that the Banderites regard Russians as subhumans suited to incineration
are you implying NATO regards Russian anything else???

as for no nazies at EuroMaidan, even BBC was forced to report EuroMaidan patented Torch March
https://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2014/01/131106_kiev_torch_lit_march
One can also read Olena Bilozerska’s Livejournal. She was best photo blogger of Germany 2013, and she is open and unrepenting Nazi of Right Sector fame. Unless she post-factum censored her posts – they show a lot of EuroMaidan inner working.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:11 utc | 183

RT site down in Canada!
Eng.mil.ru down in Canada!
US/NATO preparing some?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 25 2022 0:12 utc | 184

Posted by: Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Feb 25 2022 0:03 utc | 226
you are professional at cherrypicking single lines and then switching topics
i believe you never take you pants off when you defecate, because you are so much not like Hitler and Hitler did it
To play your game I could mention Byalostock town, which had so many Jews and other minorities in Russian empire that the town gave birth to Esperant movement, and how few year later it fallen into Polish hands and next to no minorities survived and now it is almost 100% Polish town. But why play your games?

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:16 utc | 185

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 25 2022 0:12 utc | 230
eng-mil-ru works in Moscow, RT seems down

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:21 utc | 186

Greg Galloway | Feb 25 2022 0:12 utc | 230
Both are down here in Australia too.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 0:22 utc | 187

China will be seeing this and bye bye Taiwan ‘independence’. Such crass stupidity from NATO. The Ukraine government is illegitimate, on the back of a Western funded coup displacing democratically elected government. This will ultimately lead to the next WW. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Oh Yes | Feb 25 2022 0:24 utc | 188

a penmate in VA USA confirms eng.mil.ru unreachable
as one of possible checks, can you open command line prompt and try command nslookup eng.mil.ru ?
it resolves to 82.202.190.92 in Russia, hopefully same to you.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:26 utc | 189

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 24 2022 22:42 utc | 170:

This op was planned over many years.

Many others here have voiced the same opinion, that Russia has planned for this for many years, etc. etc. I disagree. If Russia wanted to rout Ukraine, they could have done it, justifiably, years ago when Ukraine started violating the Minks Agreement (on NATO egging and abetting). They didn’t. They exercised refrain and patience. They just did their best to provide as much protection to the two autonomous regions as they could. I see this event as Russia saying enough is enough.
Yes, to pull this one off the way it did during the past 24 hours does take a lot of planning and strategizing. The planning has been going on for years, for the contingency of having to do what they did. The strategy changes as the situation changes, vis-a-vis the relative strength between the Empire/NATO and RF. A few years ago Russia would have to be concerned about blowbacks, militarily as well as economically. Today the west is almost irrelevant in both aspects, so it is a lot easier for Russia to decide on this action. This is clear from the tone of Putin’s ‘ultimatum’ to the west regarding security guarantees and rollbacks. The tone was clearly worded in ways that the west cannot meet. So, Russia was refining the plan and fine tuning the strategies right before they issued and published the ultimatum, because enough is enough.
All those super brains in the western think tanks, academia, MSM, and government agencies have grossly misread the present global status quo. It just underscores their super incompetence. Many barflies here, on the other hand, had time and again opined that the west is gonna a nasty bloody nose for the past few weeks. Last night, the west got their bloody nose.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 25 2022 0:26 utc | 190

Posted the above.

Posted by: NoWar | Feb 25 2022 0:27 utc | 191

what’s the meaning of the “Z” marking?

Simple, latin alphabet ends. RF says it ends now!
Anglo-zionists may go and learn some Cyrillic now.

Posted by: GN | Feb 25 2022 0:35 utc | 192

Totally predictable.
The Russians had no other options.
They tried since 2014.

Posted by: jiri | Feb 25 2022 0:36 utc | 193

You might remove some trolls b…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 0:37 utc | 194

Looks like US/UK have started some cyber operations to take down Russian sites.
https://sputniknews.com/20220224/ukraine-special-op-live-updates-biden-says-us-forces-will-not-engage-in-conflict-with-russia-1093347115.html
Anonymous Group Declares ‘Cyberwar’ on Russia, Claims Responsibility for Cyberattack on RT

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2022 0:39 utc | 195

“tracert rt.com” command (in Windows, UNIX would be “traceroute rt.com” or occasionally much more powerful “lft rt.com”) suggests international RT site is hosted at American http://leaseweb.net CDN provider
They could just shut RT down to evade DDoS on themselves or if DDoS trafic for RT was more than what RT paid for.
http://russian.rt.com seems host in the British CDN provider http://www.retn.net – it is down too.
As for mthe MoD, as suggested by “tracert mil.ru” command, they apparently are hosted at https://rascom.ru – the russian company that has nodes in London and NewYork

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 25 2022 0:40 utc | 196

I just want to say that it’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.

Posted by: Melkiades | Feb 25 2022 0:44 utc | 197

@b
HEADS UP!
You gotta throw out the imposter here (YourMom 239).

Posted by: bjd | Feb 25 2022 0:49 utc | 198

Posted by: (the fake) YourMom | Feb 25 2022 0:26 utc | 239
Your impostor act is both cowardly and comical. For one thing this is already an anonymous forum so there’s no need to pick a user name that someone else already had in order to conceal your ‘identity’ – you can choose literally any other name you want. For another, it detracts from any possible factual or moral merits of what you write.
Give it up and start acting like an adult if you haven’t already been banned on the basis of whatever fake email address you’re using or IP address.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 0:53 utc | 199

I find the support of Russia by Trump and his close cronies quite interesting.
The only “rational” explanation I can come up with is that Trump and friends are really in trouble and need a distraction. I think their show of support might be a little short sighted if Syria heats up like I believe it will as part of this global stand up.
I think that Trump’s support of Putin might not look good to his Occupied Palestine friends if Syria is successful.
The other thing I can’t quite grasp about the show of support of Russia is the ignorance it shows of the China/Russia alliances which is becoming more apparent and will be seen as against empire dominance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2022 0:55 utc | 200