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January 16, 2022

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2022-005

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Best zinger quote:

> Speaking about the possibility of holding a separate dialogue with the EU independently from the United States and NATO, one should ask the United States and NATO whether they will allow the EU to take any independent action. <

Other issues:


Russia has declared that it has no interest to go to war in Ukraine.

Meanwhile the U.S. is spewing out obvious bullshit about a Russian war on Ukraine.

Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ @caitoz - 12:19 AM · Jan 16, 2022
Remember kids: false flags are crazy conspiracy theories that only ridiculous crackpots believe in, except when they're reported as fact in anonymously-sourced stories by news outlets who've lied to you about every war.

Repeating myself here but I expect an Ukrainian military operation against the Donbas rebels starting of February 3/4 when Putin is on his way to Beijing. Russia will watch a day or two to let everyone recognize the Ukrainian attack for what it is. It will then unleash its air force and artillery to destroy the Ukrainian military. It will be over in less than a week.

Mixed stuff:

Use as open thread ...


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daffyDuct #168


The bulk of any EU-wide response would have to be unanimously agreed by all 27 member states.

(Updates with comment from U.S. National Security Council in fourth paragraph)

Thank you for that post, I expect there will be a SWIFT alternative in the world very soon regardless of the dithering fake threats emanating for the western illicit empire. The cat is out of the bag and there is no getting it back in. One threat was enough and soon alternative or parallel financial clearing systems will be in play and will rapidly grow to put SWIFT in the shade.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 18 2022 7:54 utc | 201

Xymphora has nailed it again:


Posted by: Paul | Jan 18 2022 8:56 utc | 202

Well well well

I guess the first shoe has dropped.

The total silent running here, about the link that documents in detail the Clintons as CIA recruits and agents from their student days that I posted above has been completely IGNORED!
Not even ONE post claiming that it is inaccurate, made up and fake news!!!

Itve article explains the cosy natural bonhomie that the Bush and Clinton’s can’t conceal when in each other’s company and why Russia Gate has been sat on by William Barr.
He was part of the gang from very early too.

It shows that there is no way that the two brats could have got the academic excellent grades because they didn’t don’t study they were so busy being groomed and a lot lot more.
How Quigley at Brookings was not only a recruiter but obvious master trainer at Brookings handing out fake grades and setting the supposed ‘radicals’ on their paths to power.

I have always found his history incongruous and this is the first explanation that explains exactly why .

It clearly explains how Arkansas was run as a country within a country and from where zillions were laundered for CIA operations across the world , including Arms manufacture & supply. The drugs coming into the US. The transport and transportation training of Contras in Nicaragua; to the direct line of setting up the first alquaeda types in the destruction of Yugoslavia.

And plenty more - including the predilection for pederasty and coke that pervades through these circles.
And how a few honest people were killed or had their investigations struck down by the wholesale take over oF American politics and judiciary (and the worlds) by the praetorian thugs who assassinated JFK and others who threatened their hegemony.

It joins the dots that clearly shows the trajectory of how and why we got here today and have the clear face down with Russia and China - there can only be one - hence the shooting will arrive in Europe again.

So while I reach for my ‘j’accuse’ weapons , in dramatic slow motion...

I ask b - what gives?

Posted by: D.G. | Jan 18 2022 9:54 utc | 203

Posted by: D.G. | Jan 18 2022 9:54 utc | 203

Hello DB. I did read your post and link bec it seemed worthy of my limited volume of attention units that is spread over so much data overwhelm.

The internet is a new and unique medium for communication. I would like to acknowledge every post/author whose input adds to my knowledge,,,but that is impossible in terms of volume of thank-you posts, both mine and everyone elses' thankyous that would result in noise overwhelm and wreck the very website that hosts the valuable inputs. It is akin to the problem of distraction from excessive Off-Topic posts.

I do not know of a workable remedy for the lack of acknowledgement, It is due to the internet's inherent ways of handling 2-way communication. Well meaning acknowledgements/thankyous can also act as interruptions or distractions.

Work it out as you will but keep posting when you have data to share.

Posted by: chu teh | Jan 18 2022 10:27 utc | 204

@203 D.G. Maybe nobody cares at the "revelation" that Bill Clinton has been Up To No Good since he first entered politics?

As far as I know there isn't anyone reading this site who believes that Bill Clinton is anything other than a corrupt swamp creature and, therefore, nobody is going to care two hoots about defending his reputation.

"Not even ONE post claiming that it is inaccurate, made up and fake news!!!"

Just as nobody is likely to respond to this question: Does a bear shit in the forest?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 18 2022 10:29 utc | 205

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 18 2022 10:29 utc | 205

A lot could be said about Clinton and the litter of supposed leftists or social democrats in Europe, they were all groomed in the early 80’s, the litter includes Bliar in Britain, Felipe González in Spain, Solana NATO’s general secretary during Yugoslavia bombing, Stoltenberg the present one. The purpose was to give a “progressive” tinge to the new satraps, and they were successful, the spooks I mean. In a previous comment I referred to that degenerate as the student that smoked pot but did not inhale, that says it all, coffee with no caffeine, alcohol free beer, skimmed milk, simply dead containers. All of them agenCIA creations, with no morals therefore easily kept on a leash. Oh yeah, he did not f++k that woman, just a little bit, what a gang. It is common knowledge who they are, so no need to waste time with those degenerates.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 18 2022 12:28 utc | 206

: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2022 4:19 utc | 190
particular like the poster with Fauci

Posted by: dp | Jan 18 2022 13:25 utc | 207

@karlof1 #166
You do realize that the Declaration of Independence was 1 sheet of paper, right?
It is only long for twitter idiots.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:00 utc | 208

@psychohistorian #189
Your list leaves out the biggest factor: the exorbitant privilege of the US dollar abroad coupled with US control over the World Bank and IMF.
Nor is your implication that the Fed, Citizens United etc - bad actions are relatively recent phenomena, correct.
Citizens United was 2010. The US has been selling its people down the road, in favor of its oligarchy, for at least 30 years. In my view, the blame lies largest with Bill Clinton.
He started the convertion of the Democrat party from one which did some representation of the working classes into its woke PMC existence today.
Then there's the federal bureaucracy. If you believe the deep state allowed/ordered the assassination of Kennedy POTUS, then it seems quite clear that the shenanigans were already out in force in the early 1960s.
From my view, the scamsters/banksters etc have always been there. The difference now is that the pie is shrinking, and they have to steal directly from Americans pockets, not just foreigners.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:07 utc | 209

A great article on who the "elites" really are:
The Whole Ruling Class Has Got To Go

I was under an illusion that whether I agreed with these people politically or not, they were going to be intelligent political operators with huge levels of knowledge, whose parents had spent thousands and even hundreds of thousands preparing them to be in this role. The truth was the place is full of braying upper-class idiots, lacking life experience, human compassion or any real understanding of the lives of those that they are supposed to represent.

Hear, hear.

The UK is different than the US - they have both the PMC class AND an aristocracy. I have read before that the UK aristocracy still owns something like 30% of the land in the UK, but don't know how true it is. Doesn't seem automatically false.

To compare: the US federal government controls about 28% of all the US land, and it is pretty much all desert with some national park (some both) sprinkling.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:13 utc | 210

A stunning covid-19 result in two nursing homes in Spain in March-June 2020 using only antihistamine and azithromycin:

Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients

84 patients, average age 85, with average 1.83 major comorbidities each
age range 52 to 97
mortality - zero
serious symptoms - zero
symptoms lasting more than a few days - zero
SPO2 less than 80% - zero
hospitalised - zero
ICU - zero

7 of these patients also received a second antibiotic either because of moderate symptoms or high risk factors.
100% of residents had seroconverted by mid-April 2020 (i.e. had natural immunity resulting from infection).
All contacts and staff received the same protocol as residents (antihistamine as prophylactic if asymptomatic), and 50% of staff had seroconverted by mid-April.

The paper also states:

Although this work focuses solely on the results obtained in the nursing home population, we applied the algorithm in Fig. 1 to all patients in our health area [population 10,000]. Between May and August 2020 there were no new cases, no new deaths attributable to COVID-19, nor excess of mortality in our population.

Average mortality rate for other nursing homes in the region in the same period: 28%.
Overall in the same region during the same period, the excess mortality for 65-74 years old was 124%, and for over 74 years 98%.

Posted by: BM | Jan 18 2022 14:17 utc | 211

Let's give Vlad Putin some credit. His foreign office isn't getting anywhere on Ukraine so he dispatched his aid to speak in plain English on US television, with Fareed Zakaria GPS on Sunday. How about some more of that? What's Vlad's phone number? There are several other important issues that need airing.
. . .news report: Russia cannot 'tolerate' NATO's 'gradual invasion' of Ukraine, Putin spokesman says. Peskov, a career diplomat and longtime Putin spokesman, accused NATO of being a "weapon of confrontation" rather than a "dove of peace." .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2022 14:22 utc | 212

For posterity: John C Williams (President and CEO of the NY Fed) videoconference speech on 1/17/22


The strength in the labor market is seen in a wide variety of indicators, including job openings, quits, and wage growth. The labor market has been especially robust in recent months for workers at the bottom of the wage distribution. And female labor force participation and employment have improved, especially for women with young children.

[This is 100% bullshit given that labor participation rates are still far, far below pre-COVID levels. Overall labor force participation was 63.5% when COVID hit - admittedly a 7,8 year high vs 2014, but overall labor force participation has been falling steadily since the 1990s. Labor Force Participation is a shade below 62% now - it would be a historic low except for the initial COVID dip]


Considering the effects of Omicron on the economy in the first part of the year, I expect real GDP to increase around 3-½ percent this year. While this is not quite the blockbuster growth we saw in 2021, it is still well above its long-run trend and supportive of continued improvement in the labor market.

[more posturing bullshit. The trajectory of US economic growth is still far below trend.]


I expect inflation to drop to around 2-1/2 percent this year, much closer to the FOMC's 2 percent longer-run goal. And looking further ahead, I expect inflation to get close to 2 percent in 2023.

[more nonsense. Oil prices just hit a 7 year high today - $85. Wage price inflation spiral is here.]

So there you have it - this is what the Fed and the PMC class expect to come.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:24 utc | 213

As I understand it, which isn't much, SWIFT is only a messaging system, easily replaced. It's the use of dollars that's important, isn't it? . . .So could a new system include, say, yuans and/or dollars?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2022 14:28 utc | 214

There was a link to an article in zero hedge on leaked documents from DARPA but I haven't seen any discussion here so far (I am still early on page 2). These are really important documents, I recommend everybody to read them.

Far better than the zero-hedge article, I recommend the conservativetreehouse article which zero hedge quote as source, as they have a better discussion; and Project Veritas which is the source for conservativetreehouse. From Project Veritas you can download 5 pdf documents - everybody please download all 5 pdf's quickly while they are still available, as I think they will soon be blocked. I am still looking at them but they are stunning. The conservativetreehouse site gives a good outline.

See here:

Project Veritas Obtains Hidden Military Documents Showing NIH Intent to Create SARS-CoV-2, Using Gain of Function Research

and here:

Military Documents About Gain of Function Contradict Fauci Testimony Under Oath

What is clear from the cover letter to the Inspector General of the US Department of Defence (first document) is that the US military first created the virus and a vaccine, then engineered a cover story by planting research in Wuhan (the WIV only say part of the project), and then the US military almost certainly released the virus in Wuhan themselves. They created 180 variants! The WIV in Wuhan was just the patsy.

Posted by: BM | Jan 18 2022 14:40 utc | 215

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2022 4:10 utc | 189

The Federal Reserve transferred trillions of dollars of unearned wealth into the feeding troughs of the super-wealthy and corporations, vastly increasing the wealth the top 0.01% had to buy elections and favors. The Federal Reserve cloaked its treachery with jargon-- quantitative easing...

The narrative you are promoting is fiction. It is propaganda created by Wall Street which is intended to fool the gullible masses.

All you have to do is think about the facts to see that the story you are peddling is exactly backward from truth.

QE is not transferring trillions of dollars of unearned wealth into the feeding troughs of the super-wealthy and corporations. All QE does is swap govt securities for bank deposits. $1 in securities becomes $1 in bank deposits.

That means that QE has created about $8 trillion in new bank deposits while at the same time taking away $8 trillion in circulating govt securities out of the economy. So ask yourself, who benefits from that operation?

Normally the banks (i. e. deposit institutions) create bank deposits by lending it to people to buy houses or cars or by lending it to small companies to expand. Normally bankers would get something like 5% interest on those loans. So now as a result of QE, instead of $8 trillion in interest earning assets that would generate about $400Bn/year in revenue the banks now have $8 trillion in liabilities (deposits on which the banks pay interest). It is hard see why anyone who looks at the facts would think bankers benefit from QE.

So what would happen to the US economy had QE never been undertaken? It would have remained on the trajectory it was on before QE started and that trajectory was massive deflation and unemployment. QE saved the economy from a depression that would have been far deeper and lasted far longer than The Great Depression. The people who would be least affected would be the Amish. Whether you are in the 99% or the 1% the depression would be extremely painful and even fatal for many. The Great Depression was a huge set back for the wealthy that took them over 30 years to recover from.

The simple fact is this, the $8 trillion that QE has created is more than half of the money supply that the Main Street economy uses daily. That is the money supply that the 99% uses to buy gas and groceries and pay the rent or mortgage. The super-wealthy and corporations would much prefer to see that $8 Trillion revert back to the form of US govt securities. When you are talking about large scale transactions like buying a tanker full of oil or $1Bn yachts or a hostile takeover of a company the preferred currency for those transactions is US govt securities.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 18 2022 14:40 utc | 216

. . .from the White House yesterday:

Advisor Jake Sullivan on Houthi Attack Against UAE
January 17, 2022
The United States strongly condemns today’s terrorist attack in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates, which killed three innocent civilians. The Houthis have claimed responsibility for this attack, and we will work with the UAE and international partners to hold them accountable. Our commitment to the security of the UAE is unwavering and we stand beside our Emirati partners against all threats to their territory. . .here

US strongly condemns terrorist attack -- check
innocent civilians -- check
hold them accountable -- check
international partners -- check
commitment to security unwavering -- check
--Couldn't nail the aggressive terrorist Houthis for massing troops on the UAE border - that may come next

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2022 15:11 utc | 217

Interesting review of a state corruption case on Chinese TV
Inside story of Hu Huaibang's sack

You need to sign up to read the full article.

What is striking is:
1) The public nature of this - TV!
2) The amounts of money thrown around: billions in governments loans, 855 million RMB in bribes. American politicians sell out their constituents for far less.
3) The fact that this illegal/improper activity was actually prosecuted. When has a similar situation come about in the US, despite ample evidence that it occurs regularly?
4) The sentences handed out weren't slaps on the wrist. Full restitution of bribes (!), life in prison etc. No Club Fed a la Charles Keating for this guy.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 15:16 utc | 218

@jinn #216
I would recommend that you stop taking George Bailey from "Its A Wonderful Life" as your mental model for what banksters do.
The banksters get the vast majority of their dealflow from:
1) lending to companies, such as to buy back their own stock
2) lending to real estate outfits for the real estate tax shuffle as well as to build new buildings/multi-unit condos etc.
3) Banks have also been getting direct interest payments from the Fed for money deposited to the Fed. Which, if the Fed gave them the money to start with, is circular...

Thus the Fed injecting huge amounts of capital into banks directly benefits the 1% by:
1) Companies increasing their stock prices via share buybacks
2) Lower borrowing costs for business and real estate transactions
3) Easier credit - related but not directly linked to lower borrowing costs - for speculative ventures

no doubt there are many other impacts not detailed.

The Feds actions hurt regular people in many ways:
1) Inflation
2) Interest income for those retired and living on pensions and/or savings. Note that pension companies have a much harder time meeting obligations if the 100% safe interest from cash deposits is minimized due to a prime rate of 0%. The same can be said for insurance companies (non-health). Note also that pension and insurance companies are limited by law in most Western Democracies as to what they can invest their float in.
3) Increase in housing costs due to house price inflation - both rent and to buy
4) Increase in product and service costs due to 3)
5) Increased banking costs - the consolidation of the bank sector means most people literally have no choice in banks, or no choice of banks which don't have the same policies in terms of minimum balance, monthly fees, other fees etc.

Yes, some people - generally the wealthier middle class - can benefit from low interest rates but the vast majority of people get no benefit since credit card interest rates bear zero relation to the prime rate.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 15:26 utc | 219

Interesting development in Germany. The servers and domain name of a VPN service have been seized by Western law enforcement.

THIS DOMAIN HAS BEEN SEIZED Since 17 January, 2022

International law enforcement, under the leadership of the Police Headquarters Hannover and the Verden Public Prosecutor‘s Office (Germany), has seized the domain

This service provided a platform for the anonymous commission of high value cybercrime cases, and was involved in several major international cyberattacks. This seizure follows a long-running international investigation by authorities in Germany, The Netherlands, Canada, the Czech Republic, France, Hungary, Latvia, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Law enforcement has now gained access to the servers and seized the customer data stored within. The investigation regarding customer data of this network will continue..

Sputnik reports on the story here: Ten Nations Jointly Take Down VPN Service Used by Criminals for Cyberattacks

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 18 2022 15:49 utc | 220

Whilst I could be mistaken, I think there is some confusion about the US funding pause for gain of function research from 17th October 2014 until 9th January 2017 (detailed timeline and links in the conservativetreehouse article linked above).

Most descriptions of this funding pause imply that all such research should have stopped in the period in question (or that all funding stopped for the period), with the exception of research "urgently necessary to protect the public health or national security". However, as far as I can see the text only prohibits the granting of new funding for such research, again with the same exceptions. In other words all research which already had funding promised would presumably have continued unrestricted - in addition to the catch-all exceptions. So very little real restriction in practice.

I rather suspect that the entire so-called "pause" was pure theatre, designed to set up Wuhan Institute of Virology as a patsy (the US was already collaborating with them), so that the US could manipulatively argue: "hey, there is such a high risk that one day there will be a pandemic from these bat colonies in Yunnan. We need to continue our research collaboration to mitigate that risk, but look, we have this restriction imposed on us in the US, we should do the work here".

The Murphy DARPA covering letter mentioned above specifically mentioned a highly detailed and multi-phase project description by Peter Daszak - which Murphy had access to but WIV did not - and a much more limited description of only part of the project that WIV received, so that they could not see the proper context.

I think what they did was to deviously spread out different parts of the research to different research groups so that nobody could see the full picture, except Daszak, Fauci, Gates and other principle conspirators. Probably the main design and construction of the SARS-CoV2 virus was done completely in the US, and only after that was completed they manipulated WIV to re-do part of it - just enough that -afterwards with hindsight - the Chinese would realise they had done something potentially really dangerous, thereby making them reluctant to make full disclosure, and hence making it very difficult to point the finger at the US.

Why the hell were the Chinese fooling around with chimera viruses anyway? Well, here again I want to make a comment, which I think makes it easier to understand what might have gone on. (Note: in making this comment that does not excuse the putative action - which in any case is pure speculation - but I think it helps understand how it might have happened, if it did happen at all).

The Chinese knew very well that the US has been conducting bio warfare research, and that China was very much a potential target. China was already provably attacked with bio weapons by the USA during the Korean war (and before that by Japan during WWII). I think the Chinese believe the US also committed numerous bio attacks against China in the last two decades (SARS, H1N1, swine fever, and others). It therefore behoves the Chinese to try to get a better understanding of what the US does, how they conduct their research, what sort of methodologies they use, how they think about the research methodology, etc. This is all very dangerous territory, but the threat faced by China from the US is increadibly dangerous, and all the more so if they are naive about it. Maybe, by presenting out of context a very small part of Daszak's much larger and more complex multiphase project, the US might have managed to make the segment assigned to WIV appear innocuous - whereas when viewed in the context of the whole project int might appear much more incriminating. Probably the virus didn't leak from WIV anyway - but the fact that they had (according to this scenario, which is pure speculation) done a part of the work would put the Chinese in a difficult position where the US can point the finger at them.

Posted by: BM | Jan 18 2022 15:50 utc | 221

Annalena is in Moscow, here the text in Russian:

Posted by: Paco | Jan 18 2022 15:53 utc | 222


Quote from editorial in salt lake tribune: “ Were Utah a truly civilized place, the governor’s next move would be to find a way to mandate the kind of mass vaccination campaign we should have launched a year ago, going as far as to deploy the National Guard to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere.” (The nonchalant ending brings to mind the phrase banality of evil)

The trib is owned by the huntsmans, who are the main funders of the medical-industrial complex going up in the foothills behind the u of u.

Posted by: Platero | Jan 18 2022 16:18 utc | 223

Thus the Fed injecting huge amounts of capital into banks directly benefits the 1% by:

When did the Fed inject huge amounts of capital into banks? When did the Fed inject any capital into any bank?

The problem with your story is that they are devoid of any basis in reality.
The facts are that the Fed has saddled the banks balance sheet with $8 Trillion in liabilities (AKA deposits)

If you don't know the difference between bank capital and bank deposits you really can't say anything intelligent about banks.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 18 2022 16:20 utc | 224

Posted by: D.G. | Jan 18 2022 9:54 utc | 203
Bullseye D.G. I read the article you linked and it lines up with what I know. I read Terry Reed's book "Compromised..." around 1998, got it out of the local library! (It was later removed) His story mirrored and clarified what I had seen and believed from being in Mexico and central America (as a peon) in the 70s and 80s. Clinton and his network are the core of the rotten parasitical, sociopathic (look at their eyes) clique who are pushing hard for an all out attack on Russia today. They know they are being exposed and that there will be a tipping point which will finally turn the American people against them, in spite of the drug/food/media polluted stupor they/we have descended into.
Also, I recommend the following people if you want to read other aspects of this key story:
Gary Webb, "Dark Alliance"
Douglas Valentine, all of his books on the CIA
Oliver Stone, his movies and interviews
Terry Reed's book "Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA". Good luck getting a hold of that one. Amazon has it for $132.62, used for $68.98. The kindle is showing $9.98 if you're wired into that. Plan on self isolating for a binge read, between 24 and 36 hours if you read slow like me. I think some of his interviews are still on youtube.
One little known piece of info from Terry Reed's book that the article you linked also mentions: William Barr was H.W. Bush's fixer and was involved in overseeing the Contra drug running affair in Arkansas in the 80s. He was in D.C. According to Terry Reed Barr delivered the mafia like threat/offer to then governor Clinton: you can become president or we'll kill you if you mess this up. Years later when Barr re-surfaced as Trump's attorney general during Russiagate I told my wife he was not working for Trump; rather, he was working for the same people who ex CIA Brennan worked for. He is also connected with Epstein, Israel etc. of course.
Thank you D.G.

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 18 2022 16:34 utc | 225

Posted by: Paco | Jan 18 2022 15:53 utc | 222

Listened to the presser and Annalena translated, her address and answers are not in the MID transcript. Very pro forma, Annalena could not go home without mentioning Navalny, that cadaver does not even smell any more, but... She got a rebuke from a representative of a Journalist Association concerning the discrimination of RTDe in Germany , at the beginning she sort of complained about the size of the dossier she was carrying, trying to imply the big quantity of pending matters, so the journalist said to her that they had prepared a report on Germany's attitude concerning RTDe and that he hoped it would not add too much weight to her dossier. Cold presser, she looks like a high school student and insisted a lot on rules, rules, rules. I have the feeling she won’t last long.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 18 2022 16:51 utc | 226

@jinn #224
If you don't understand how the Fed injects money - both indirectly and directly - into big banks, then you are utterly ignorant and should make an effort to remedy this deficiency.

Nor is your understanding of the difference between a Fed deposit vs. a regular person deposit, or the way banks put their free cash back into the Fed - in any way reflect an accurate understanding of reality.

Let me put it this way: how do you think the Fed creates money and puts it into the monetary system? Outline the specific flow.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 17:08 utc | 227

c1ue @208--

There was a time when I had to develop and implement lesson plans for the entirety of US History for delivery to community college students, which of course included the Colonial and Revolutionary periods. The Declaration is actually more of a scroll of parchment than a sheet of paper, and many of the abominations it lists are now practiced by the Outlaw US Empire. Indeed, it could easily be used again for America's public to again assert its Independence from what's become a foreign, aristocratic-like government that ignores the genuine interests of its citizenry by replacing them with tyranny.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 17:22 utc | 228

Follow up thought on the above post regarding William Barr, Trump and wild Bill Clinton.

Clinton was likely recruited by the CIA during college days but he was, like many sociopaths, also very narcissistic and self indulgent: sex, drugs and rapes. Remember Sonny in "Godfather"? Clinton was like him and then tried to be like his more stable, consistent, evil brother Michael Corleone. Clinton's excesses created lots of scandals which are liabilities for any power group. The Contra operation in Arkansas was dripping with excess: drug dealers, psychopathic assassins from Somoza's praetorian guard (contras), money grubbing locals, power and money hungry guys from D.C. Clinton was skimming lots of money and basically stealing from all of them, stepping on lots of toes and leaving the operations vulnerable to exposure. That's when Barr was sent by CIA director Casey (or maybe after Casey's death) in to issue his threat along with the prospect of becoming president if he straightened up a bit. That would have been around 1988 I think. Bottom line, Clinton was seen as talented but questionable. He straightened up. enough.
Trump's tendancies had many similarities with Bill Clinton. Look at his sociopathic and narcissistic actions and the image he projected. While somewhat different-- more of a blowhard, beauty queen and wrestling promotor-- he was talented enough to be used as a presidential candidate against former (sortof) friend Hillary. Problem is, he won and wasn't supposed to. The Russiagate project to neuter and destroy him ended up exposing more of the bad people who are at the dark heart of the imperial machine.

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 18 2022 17:25 utc | 229

@226 At least Lavrov resisted the temptation to give her a big hug. She'll have to wait till she get to the Whitehouse for that.

Posted by: dh | Jan 18 2022 17:31 utc | 230

Paco @226--

Thanks for your comment about that presser! Lavrov's presser with the Croatian Minister of Foreign and European Affairs contains this astute observation:

"Question (translated from Croatian): How do you assess the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Republika Srpska?

"Sergey Lavrov: Russia, like our Croatian colleagues, insists on abiding by the Dayton Accords. We are seeing growing attempts to turn Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH), a country with two federal entities and three ethnic groups with equal rights, into a unitary state. With encouragement from some Western countries, primarily the United States, Republika Srpska and its leaders are being demonised for these unseemly purposes. We can see obvious discrimination against Bosnian Croats. The recently launched electoral reform is intended to correct this situation. It needs to be completed as soon as possible, strongly relying on the Dayton principle of equality of the three constituent peoples and the two entities.

"For all their calls for non-interference in other countries’ internal affairs, the United States has appointed a special envoy for electoral reform in BiH. Talk about spheres of influence. We consider this very revealing about the US approach to the Western Balkans problems. Any problems concerning the electoral reform, like all other problems in BiH, must be resolved in accordance with the Dayton Agreement, using the Parliamentary Assembly, the Presidium and other bodies of that state. We hope that the European Union will support going back to the basics – the Dayton principles – and will stop treating the Western Balkans as a zone of its influence.

"A few years ago, Federica Mogherini, then head of the EU’s diplomacy, said the European Union would take care of all problems in the Western Balkans, while others had better not get involved there. These examples are quite revealing in the context of the current negotiations on security guarantees, initiated by the Russian Federation." [My Emphasis]

And then Lavrov provides us with a good laugh:

"Question: Should a negative scenario develop in Russia's dialogue with the United States and NATO on security guarantees, if we fail to reach an agreement, will we be ready to confront the West alone? Will this require additional, deeper cooperation with China, our strategic partner, to be able to counter the military threat and the “sanctions from hell” promised by the Europeans and Americans?

"Sergey Lavrov: We do not draw up policies based on what-ifs. This is rather something our Western colleagues would do, threatening the Russian Federation with sanctions almost daily, with or without reason." [My Emphasis]

And again, Lavrov refers to the Higher Law Russia has continually used in its negotiations, which is completely ignored by the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals because they have no credible answer to justify their position, which would then mean they'd have to retreat:

"The gist of our questions is how exactly the West intends to fulfil its obligations enshrined in the documents of the OSCE summits in Istanbul in 1999 and in Astana in 2010. These documents state that the OSCE members will not strengthen their own security at the expense of others. No state, no group of countries or organisation in the OSCE space can be vested with primary responsibility for maintaining peace and stability across the region. This is an integral part of the compromises and decisions made at the highest level in the OSCE. We want this question answered: how is the West planning to implement what it has signed on to? Once again, I would like to assure you that our leadership is able to reliably protect Russia’s interests, both in terms of security and in terms of upholding our citizens’ rights." [My Emphasis]

Too few are focusing on the core of Russia's argument, which provides Russia with an ironclad position. The only possible, logical answer is for the West to say Oops, we goofed; and to make things right by the treaties we initiated and signed, we must retreat and cease our militarization of Ukraine. You see, Russia always had a Full House in its 5-card stud hand that was unbeatable by the cards held by the West. The West of course will try to circumvent its losing position by the equivalent of upsetting the table while accusing Russia of cheating. Only Russians know what will then ensue as both the 1999 and 2010 agreements will no longer be valid, the West having just broken them.

In closing, here's Lavrov on Nuland's 18 various scenarios:

"The US has about 17 secret and intelligence services plus one at the State Department. So, 18 scenarios in all. Maybe they announce internal tenders.

"Let’s not forget what US officials said about Russia supposedly 'invading' Ukraine. They spread complete disinformation to the effect that we are allegedly preparing a provocation to attack the Russian-speaking population in Donbass with a view to receiving a pretext for this 'invasion.' Indicatively, Jen Psaki said that this already took place in 2014.

"The current tragedy of Ukraine broke out in 2014 but not because of some provocation by Russia but due to the state coup that was supported and largely engineered by the US.

"It is abundantly clear that Ukraine is now under US governance. Washington could certainly compel the Kiev regime to abide by the Minsk Agreements." [My Emphasis]

I believe this is the first time either Putin or Lavrov have come out and directly said what's emphasized above.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 17:51 utc | 231

Norwegian tennis player Casper Ruud (ranked #8 in the world) withdraws his participation from Australian Open before his first match.

Reason given: Ancle problem ("but it is not regarded as serious")


Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 18 2022 18:04 utc | 232

D.G. @203

CIA "assets":

  • George HW Bush (of course!)

  • Bill Clinton (recruited before he went to Oxford)

  • Hillary Clinton (because she hooked up with Bill)

  • George W Bush (`cuz he's the son of a CIA don)

  • Barack Obama (born into the CIA - mom was a mule/whore for The Company)

  • Pete Butt-gig (notable because the CIA/Mockingbird mass media will try to install him as PotUS 47 or 48)

  • Donald Trump (just kidding! The Establishment lost their shit because he wasn't CIA)

The article you linked wasn't bad, but considering the CIA's influence in the US government since they offed Kennedy why would you expect anyone to be surprised that the Clintons are CIA "assets"? That's pretty much accepted by everyone who pays attention to the details.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 18 2022 18:05 utc | 233

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 17:08 utc | 227

Let me put it this way: how do you think the Fed creates money and puts it into the monetary system? Outline the specific flow.
For the process we are discussing, the Fed buys US govt obligations (which includes any obligations that the US govt guarantees) from private sector entities. The process involves crediting the purchase amount into the seller's bank deposit account while at the same time crediting the bank where the deposit is located the same amount at the Federal reserve. This does not add or remove capital from the deposit institution (or from the banking system as a whole). It also does not change the wealth of the seller who receives a bank deposit in exchange for a govt security of the same value.

Individual deposit institutions can also create deposits when they make loans. Prior to Quantatative Easing, loans and deposits tracked pretty closely together. Since QE started deposits have grown much faster than loans as can be seen in this graph.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 18 2022 18:14 utc | 234

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:07 utc | 209:

The US has been selling its people down the road, in favor of its oligarchy, for at least 30 years. In my view, the blame lies largest with Bill Clinton.

I rather think the blatant tilt towards favoring the oligarchs in the US started with Reagan with the accelerated depreciation scheme (ACRS) which allowed huge tax shelter to high incomes, renewable by swapping assets among the oligarchs after depletion of depreciable values, and then special treatments for asset capital gain schemes. It led to Savings & Loan shenanigans, then blatant government bailouts with the oligarchs pocketing their gains home free. The public sector footed the bill, of course. Since then, the trick has been repeated time and again, 2008-2009 being the ugliest one has seen. And today, Brandon is pumping 2 trillion to infra structure building without anyone asking the question where do we find the qualified people to do the job? And trying to pimp another 2 trillion to people who controls the handing out so-called social welfare money for BBB.

BBB???? I'd say LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 18 2022 18:37 utc | 235

Paco @226--

Read the transcript of the Lavrov presser with Baerbock and was pleased to read his assessment of their talks, but then she's so massively outclassed. I thought his closing remarks significant:

"We have a common interest with Germany in seeing the situation in the Balkans develop according to a positive scenario. We, like Germany, are a member of the Steering Committee for Bosnia and Herzegovina within the framework of the Dayton agreement. We are interested in restoring the practice of consensus in the work of this important mechanism.

"The discussion was very useful. She touched upon all those issues that are still the subject of divergence in our positions. But the exchange of views showed that we can gradually move forward, overcome these differences for the benefit of our peoples and for the benefit of the tasks facing the international community in various crisis points of the world.

"I am grateful to The Minister and her entire delegation for their joint work." [My Emphasis]

Baerbock's central mission was detailed in this TASS report:

"Germany is certain that the Normandy Format must be 'revived' in order to make progress in the implementation of the Minsk Agreements and resolution of the Ukrainian conflict, Germany Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said at a press conference in the wake of the talks with her Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov Tuesday.

"'Now it is important to flesh out the Normandy process again in order to move forward with the implementation of the Minsk agreements. This would contribute to the reinforcement of security in Europe. It is encouraging that all sides to the Normandy Format and Minsk Agreements stated their adherence to the Agreements,' the Minister noted."

In the presser, Lavrov was quick to point out where reality is regarding its "revival":

"Sergey Lavrov: Our position is well known. For us, the main thing is not 'when' to meet, but 'why'. If we meet only so that President Zelensky can again say that a group of respected leaders has gathered on his initiative and he considers his mission fulfilled, then we do not need this.

"In Paris in 2019, the Normandy Four summit was held, where, in difficult negotiations, specific steps that the Kiev authorities should take were formulated and approved by all the participants of this summit. So far, nothing has been done about it. There are many examples of how the Ukrainian side sabotaged the ceasefire agreements reached in July 2020. Such work is now being carried out through foreign policy advisers and leaders of the Normandy format. Our approaches are justified, understandable and open. We hope that the repeated repetition of these approaches will be heard in Berlin and Paris, because there is no hope for Kiev. The only hope is that Berlin and Paris will force Vladimir Zelensky to fulfill what he has repeatedly promised to fulfill." [My Emphasis]

Four more paragraphs further elaborate Russia's position, but they include no changes of its position. The Normandy format revival is a German Green Party position that's clearly a dead issue. TASS has several other brief items related to the German Foreign Minister's visit, but IMO there's nothing further worth commenting upon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 18:38 utc | 236

Hey karlof1, I hope you are a regular follower of Alexander Mercouris.

He has a new one up, just an hour or so ago.

Always insightful!

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 18 2022 18:51 utc | 237

236 - karlof1 - You called it regarding Nazarbayev's disappearance. He was laying low.


Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 18 2022 18:51 utc | 238

Oriental Voice @235--

... the blatant tilt towards favoring the oligarchs in the US started at the very beginning during the Colonial Period and was further entrenched by the 1787 Constitution, which treated the Senate like the House of Lords and the president's election as undemocratic as possible, with his powers very King-like as was greatly commented and argued about at the time. George Washington was made the first POTUS precisely because he could be trusted not to turn his office into a dictatorship--those exact words being written and spoken by a great many Anti-Federalists and Federalists. One must then look at how the Territorial governments were arranged. Then there's the very long period of oligarchical control of the Senate, which in reality has yet to be solved, although Senator's finally being directly elected did help. Reading what are known as The Federalist Papers helps to see the pro-aristocratic/anti-democratic design of the government.

For yours and others further enlightenment on this topic, I highly suggest reading some of John Adams's works, Adams being perhaps the most outstanding Federalist next to Hamilton. This provides a good introduction to the works needing to be explored, the three volumes of A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America. I should note he wrote and published those three volumes while US Ambassador to England and prior to the writing and ratification of the 1787 US Constitution. The three volumes can be freely accessed and read online, Volume One, Volume Two, and Volume Three.

The debates over the 1787 Constitution between what would become known as Federalists and Anti-Federalists deal with the oligarchic issue and others that remain unsolved and are thus the primary contradictions of the present US Federal government. They provide another excellent source on that topic/issue. Another outstanding book that was required reading for my college classes is Bernard Bailyn's Ideological Origins of the American Revolution.

The problem with the current Oligarchy is that it's essentially invisible to the public as they hold no public offices yet dictate/control all policy. And they're most certainly not Plato's Philosopher Kings; rather, they're Neoliberal Parasites of the sort described by Hudson in his Killing the Host. In a sense, they constitute an unelected Royal Family that have become untouchable to law and are thus uncontrollable.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 19:43 utc | 239

are you guys seriously arguing about when the class war started? ssdd

really hope at least one of the people raving about the clintons is being sarcastic

Posted by: Rae | Jan 18 2022 20:35 utc | 240

Kazakhstan was fully prepared.
Russia was more than fully aware of the entire gig. See here at Greanville Post

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 18 2022 20:58 utc | 241

Norwegian #232

Norwegian tennis player Casper Ruud (ranked #8 in the world) withdraws his participation from Australian Open before his first match.

Reason given: Ancle problem ("but it is not regarded as serious") emphasizing the B of BDS.


Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 18 2022 21:06 utc | 242

@karlof1, #239:

You may be right about the system being tilted towards favoring the rich from the very beginning. In my post I was only disputing c1ue's point that the tilt started with Clinton, and my opinion is based on my own reflection of the period that I lived through during which I acquired certain degrees of understanding of econo-political workings of our government.

The social and ethical norm of the mid-18th century is understandably different from today's. If I were to live in those days, my own views of what is proper what is not are likely to be different from what mine is today. I am not one who believe there is absolute rights or wrongs. I tend more to the Buddhist view that 'right' or 'wrong' are only human's own illusions that change with time as human perceptions change.

Thanks for your recommendations, by the way.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 18 2022 21:07 utc | 243

A correction to my #235 post: c1ue did not say the favor towards oligarchs started with Clinton. He (I presume it is he) only said the blame rested largest with Clinton. To some degree this assertion may be correct. But I still standby my point that Reagan's ACRS was a large and blatant tilt in favor of the filthy rich.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 18 2022 22:11 utc | 244

dh #230

The only hug she is likely to get will be from MI6 with a novichok kiss.
The emglanders will be seething :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 18 2022 22:29 utc | 245

Oriental Voice @233&4--

Thanks for your reply and clarifications! Yes, it's difficult to imagine that once upon a time the POTUS did most of the hiring of staff for the federal government, which was a major headache after the March Inauguration. The institution of the Civil Service altered that quite a bit but also established a bureaucracy within which were numerous hierarchies that eventually became small oligarchies themselves, which is why we have today's "revolving door" problem and related regulatory capture, both of which are undemocratic and injurious to the nation. And of course, each state has its own smaller but similar issues.

IMO, the biggest problems all governments have faced since such institutions were formed is the problem related to the desire of many to feather their own nest, which means to become corrupt and enlarge one's purse at the nation's expense. Rome was the most famous for that quality but for some reason continues to be exalted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 22:36 utc | 246

@ Oriental Voice | Jan 18 2022 22:11 utc | 244 who wrote
But I still standby my point that Reagan's ACRS was a large and blatant tilt in favor of the filthy rich.

Reagan was president who with Greenspan and Congress of the day changed the Social Security Insurance program that was stand alone into a budget item and stole the SSI savings to do Star Wars and tax reductions for the rich

But it didn't start with Reagan, just accelerated with him.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2022 23:25 utc | 247

@245 I confess I don't know much about Annalena or where she stands politically. My impression was she is another tough young ambitious career lady we seem to see a lot in politics these days.

Posted by: dh | Jan 18 2022 23:29 utc | 248

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 17:51 utc | 231

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 18:38 utc | 236

Wow! Lavrov Unleashed!

And in the background there are all sorts of troop movements going on.

Once again, I would like to assure you that our leadership is able to reliably protect Russia’s interests, both in terms of security and in terms of upholding our citizens’ rights.

It seems to me that the USA has been called.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 18 2022 23:30 utc | 249

John Cleary @249--

Thanks for your reply! I could've posted my comment on Glenn Diesen's latest here but chose the new thread instead since the themes matched. The combination of Diesen, Hudson, Crooke, Escobar, Fowdy, and the Keisers provide an excellent basis for understanding the Big Picture without having to rely whatsoever on BigLie Media. But we still need investigators to dig into the ever-present dirt where the bones are buried and the weeds grow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2022 23:48 utc | 250

@Posted by: D.G. | Jan 18 2022 9:54 utc | 203

I am working my way through your linked article. I will read it one bite at a time.

I am certainly no Bill Clinton fan (!).
The pair of Clintons are sin stacked on a manure pile.

With that said, my impression of the article in my first bite
is not a good one. It just has the feel of a dime novel.

Oh, well...maybe the second bite will be better.

Posted by: librul | Jan 18 2022 23:55 utc | 251

!4.000 people have died in Donbass. Too bad the writer doesn't tell us who killed them.

"The solution is to demand that Russian forces leave Donbas and return the region to Ukraine. It is theirs, after all. Diplomats should use this standoff to create leverage for Donbas and the Ukrainian government. Ukraine should use its power to take control of Donbas."

Posted by: dh | Jan 19 2022 1:21 utc | 252

@252 14,000 damn. Anyway I'm sure you get the idea.

Posted by: dh | Jan 19 2022 1:23 utc | 253

@212 don bacon-Vlad is not how Russian speakers shorten the name Vladimir. I believe they say "Vova." I may be completely wrong, but I am sure that " Vlad" is not a shortening of Vladimir. Vlad has connotations with Dracula films etcetera.
blah blah blah. sorry

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 19 2022 5:40 utc | 254

Dear D.G. (203),

the day before yesterday, your link was the last thing I read that evening, in bed, on my tiny phone. Please don't think people here are ignoring it. It's just that with the enormous disgust that I felt after reading, there's just so much disgust I can handle.


Dear BM (DARPA & WIV),

cherish your comments on this! But our host isn't too fond it, so please be careful.
The impression I get, more and more as weeks and months go by and I get to read about pieces of this difficult puzzle to put together, is of a Chinese counter-op riding on the back of a US op. Like 2 wrestlers so entwined, you can't really see who's making what move on the other and to what effect. At times, they almost seem one entity.


I whish B would give us his take on the prospects of war for Russia. One thing I found particularly alarming, the relatives of Russian embassy staff in Ukraine have been ordered home. That can't be a good sign.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 19 2022 7:33 utc | 255

(Re: D.G.'s link @ | Jan 18 2022 9:54 utc | 203)

librul | Jan 18 2022 23:55 utc | 251
"It just has the feel of a dime novel."

That's what I got too. Just too soft on establishing and connecting the dots.
Good for true believers but not solid enough for anything in court.
Found myself thinking about Guy Noir from Prairie Home Companion
btw There's an article by Melvin Goodman at CP that hits Clinton about his role
in setting the current stage in Ukraine, should anyone need more. I sure don't.
He and his wife belong on a pig farm - take that as prison or the real thing.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 19 2022 8:18 utc | 256

Good day, again, to the bar. From Montréal - some news

Deer in the media again. A herd that needs culling, living in a park, in a city directly across the Saint Lawrence river from Montreal. Some in Ontario found to carry COVID-19.

Pavloxid, an antiviral drug manufactured by Pfizer is approved, the first at-home drug approved for use in Canada against Covid. Only available for very high-risk people right now. I guess the rest of us should keep staying hydrated, keeping warm (wool scarf maybe?) freely taking over-the-counter pain medication and going to the emergency if we have chest pains or trouble breathing. Unlike when there’s no COVID and you would totally ignore chest pains or breathing difficulties.

Maybe this pain medication will eventually get approval for long-COVID and other chronic conditions:

Russia accuses Canada of ‘ignoring numerous crimes’ by Ukraine amid tensions

Best wishes for this January day to everyone!

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 19 2022 10:49 utc | 257

Best wishes for this January day to everyone!

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 19 2022 10:49 utc | 257

Appreciate your Canadian news. A little local news is something we can all contribute here. Like with the Latin American contributers, Aussies, Yurpeans, etc. Local media here ignores pretty much everything but advertisers.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 19 2022 12:09 utc | 258

say what you will about the government of the UK but questions for the prime minister, currently live on the BBC has incredible entertainment value. Watching Stormer and Johnson arguing in such a polite manner is golden.

Johnson seems to have fallen foul of that age old political trap where it is not the crime but the cover-up. His latest excuse that nobody told him is really quite pathetic....I expected a bit more from him.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 19 2022 12:20 utc | 259


G. Doctorow brings this to our attention:

Russian submarine with 160 nukes on board surfaces off US coast

"Each of the missiles in service with the submarine is capable of carrying up to ten nuclear warheads. This created an extremely serious danger for the United States, given that the US military have not been able to track the Russian nuclear submarine....

"...Russian nuclear submarines will be able to constantly patrol the waters near the US coast in the event that Russia decides to build a naval base in Cuba or Venezuela, as representatives for the Russian Foreign Ministry earlier said."

fact or fiction?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2022 12:42 utc | 260

@karlof1 #228
The Declaration of Independence is 1 broadsheet.
It is not a gigantic or even large roll of paper.
Admit your error.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:16 utc | 261

@jinn #234
What you wrote is part of what the Fed does; the other part (more recent, and a primary method used both in 2008 and in the 2019 mystery bailout) is buying CMBs and various other non-government financial instruments directly from the "private sector". This amount is in the trillions.
Who do you think, in the private sector, does the Fed buy from?
Nor has this buying been only 2008 and 2019:
Fed buys $1 trillion in mortgage bonds in middle of 2020

Dallas Fed publishes that the Fed owns $2.3 trillion in mortgage bonds

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:21 utc | 262

@Oriental Voice #235
You are correct - I did not say it started with Clinton.
IMO, the most recent round of oligarch vs. Americans started with the counter-revolution to FDR. There were many attempts, but Reagan definitely broke the dam.
The biggest blame with Reagan, however and again IMO, was not his "deregulation" per se because this was resisted by the pre-Clinton Democrats, but rather Reagan's breaking the then de rigueur Republican bias against deficit spending.

The US deficit greatly increased under Reagan but wasn't really that big, but the precedent was taken and run with by Bush CIA and ever onwards by both parties.

The deficit did decrease under Clinton but that was a function of Congress being Republican, peak economic bubble and Social Security shenanigans.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:29 utc | 263

@karlof1 #239
Anyone who studies the Founding Fathers with an even minimally critical eye would note that they are overwhelmingly very wealthy people.

A cynical individual, which I am, would then wonder whether the American Revolution was really about democracy and what not or was a power grab so that the local American oligarchs could rule directly rather than with the favor of a faraway annoying other, and that the populism of Paine and what not was simply a useful tool to mobilize the otherwise utterly unaffected regular person living in the 13 colonies.

I've noted before, for example, that tea in that period was comparable to a Starbucks double soy latte - very expensive and primarily for wealthy people. It was expensive because China was the only source, was far away and insisted in being paid in hard silver - the cost didn't go down until the British stole seed stock and started farming it in India and Sri Lanka in the 1850s.

This puts a very different light on the Boston Tea Party - it wasn't a populist outrage against unfair taxation of a critical everyday, everyman staple but a bunch of rich fuckers complaining that their fancy drink was even more expensive than normal.

Of course, in reality the Revolution was both populist and local oligarch but the proportion matters.

And again from the cynical point of view, the passage of the later Constitutional modifications was safely after the war was won and the regular people were not needed to fight and die for their betters, anymore.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:39 utc | 264

This sheds light on PMC/Democrat party actions regarding COVID, IMO:

Home Testing 5 Things You Should Know at Naked Capitalism

insurers have so far made so much money during the pandemic they didn’t need to. For example, the industry’s profits in 2020 increased 41% to $31 billion from $22 billion, according to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

Note this is corporate profit; it doesn't count the dividends paid out, the CEO and executive salaries and bonuses, etc etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:45 utc | 265

@ c1ue 264
Yes on the Constitution and its authors, and so it tickles me that still today the Supreme Court holds the meme that the Constitution which formed the government is also the basis for our human rights. We even have "constitutional lawyers" to explain it to us!. . . baloney. .It's the promotion of the elite. We were born with our human rights, as the Declaration of Independence states.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 19 2022 14:08 utc | 266

The deficit did decrease under Clinton but that was a function of Congress being Republican, peak economic bubble and Social Security shenanigans.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:29 utc | 263

I want to generally agree with your analysis there. I would add that the potentates biggest error was the decision to offshore a lot of our industrial base, which came out of their deep hatred of unions and populist politics. What Raygun made clear was that all the promises of reform made after Vietnam and Watergate were empty, and once that was clear, the way lay open to where we are today. 40 years of making our own reality.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 19 2022 14:17 utc | 267

@Don Bacon #266
Cynics such as myself say: there are no natural rights, only those which are gained by force or agreement.
Modern socialized existence has always been a balance of that which benefits the self vs. that which benefits society.
It is quite clear that the selfishness of the American oligarchy has exceeded the balance point - the question now is when and how that rebalancing will occur. If ever.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 14:52 utc | 268

@Bemildred #267
Was it the hatred of unions etc or just pure greed?
I'd personally put it at 20/80.
The reality is that the unions were broken by Volcker and Reagan long before the offshoring started.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 14:55 utc | 269

Smithsonian talking about Paulita Moody, but also a reveal:

The Once-Classified Tale of Juanita Moody

on the morning of October 28, after the United States secretly offered to remove its nuclear missile bases in Turkey and Italy, Khrushchev agreed to dismantle the missile sites in Cuba.

One single sentence in multiple pages of article, but a key one. The Soviet placement of nuclear capable missiles in Cuba came AFTER the US already had nuclear missiles in Turkey and Italy - as has been noted before on MoA.

Thus the question remains: just what difference did US intelligence make regarding Cuba and the missiles? The article makes it abundantly clear that US intelligence had no idea whatsoever that nuclear missiles were incoming until U2s were dispatched to violate Cuban airspace (and one was shot down). It does seem likely that Russia's strategic goal was to either counterbalance or remove the US nuclear missiles in Europe threat.

But more importantly regarding American strategic and intelligence analysis: Is it really such advanced thinking to consider that the USSR might want to do something to counterbalance US nuclear missiles in Europe?

Or that the Bay of Pigs, if it failed, would likely push Castro closer to the USSR? Again from the article above

Before the Bay of Pigs, Castro had been lukewarm about Soviet overtures and support. When the superpower next door tried to oust him, he changed his mind. For those in the American intelligence community, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev’s vow to help the Cubans defend themselves made it imperative to focus more attention on the Caribbean, a new front in the Cold War.

Wag the dog with a vengeance.

Now consider the similarities above with US foreign policy in the past 3 decades.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 15:02 utc | 270

And more fun with the Smithsonian article above:

Frank Church, the Idaho senator who chaired the committee investigating abuses of power by U.S. intelligence agencies, told Moody that she would have to testify in an open and televised session. Moody refused. “I took an oath to protect classified information and never to reveal it to those who are not authorized and have the need to know,” she told him. “I don’t know of any law that would require me to take an oath to break an oath. Is there such a thing, Senator?” There was not, and it was closed sessions for her week on Capitol Hill.

At one point, Senator Walter Mondale, of Minnesota, demanded that Moody bring “everything” NSA had—meaning all the material gathered that might relate to American citizens. Practically speaking, it was an absurd demand; NSA was already collecting enormous amounts of information, much of it superfluous. Very little of it would be of value to the committee’s investigation. Moody tried to explain to Mondale that he misunderstood the nature of the information he was requesting, but he cut her off. “I don’t give a good goddamn about you and your computers, Mrs. Moody,” Mondale barked. “You just bring the material in here tomorrow.”

The next day a truck dumped hundreds of pounds of paper at Mondale’s office. Mondale, having learned in a hurry how ill-informed his request had been, tried to make nice with Moody the next time they met. Putting his hand on her shoulder, he thanked her for being so cooperative. “I wasn’t too pleased or happy about that,” she said later, referring to Mondale’s hand on her shoulder, his change in tone, or both.

During her testimony, Moody explained that lists of names were given to her group at the NSA. When the names appeared in their intercepts, NSA flagged it. She maintained to the last that the NSA had never done anything wrong. “We never targeted Americans,” she told an NSA interviewer in 2003. “We targeted foreign communications.” NSA’s own tribute to Moody in the agency’s “Hall of Honor” says the congressional hearings “incorrectly identified [her] with some possible abuses of government power.”

Notable for several things: that Mondale didn't have the balls or guts to read through the data dump, and the striking similarity between how Paulita Moody responded to the Church committee, and how more recent spy fuckers responded to Congressional questions: the above plus outright lies about never spying on Americans unlawfully.

Plus ca change.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 15:08 utc | 271

BTW: I've seen no mention of this - but it can only be positive...

Ding Dong, The Wicked Witch Adelson is dead

While I am 100% certain his money and foundations will carry on his work, it is to be hoped that they won't have the same vision and energy as when he was alive.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 15:11 utc | 272

@Bemildred #267
Was it the hatred of unions etc or just pure greed?
I'd personally put it at 20/80.
The reality is that the unions were broken by Volcker and Reagan long before the offshoring started.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 14:55 utc | 269

Argueable point. The unions were corrupted long before they were broken. Raygun/Volker certainly finished the job.

But the rot spreads, once it gets well started, and the profit motive as the be-all and end-all, there in only one end point, banana republic.

Several attempts at reform here in the past, but they have always been lead by the elites, and the elites have always refused to let go of control, to re-distribute wealth and political power. We still need that popular revolution.

One of the reasons I decided to leave the sawmill in the 70s is because they started shipping the prime logs to Japan, instead of processing them here, in the mill I was working in. It was clear the union there, which did offer excellent benefits, was friendly with the management too. So it was clear where things were going. All that life is gone now, although my youngest son works in that same mill today processing scrap logs. A very good job to have today.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 19 2022 15:12 utc | 273

@Bemildred #273
Fair enough point on union corruption (labor organization capture?).
I would note, however, that Germany doesn't seem to have this problem. I'm not saying German labor relations are perfect, but it seems very clear that labor in Germany has a seat at the table at the executive level as opposed to being outside waving signs, as in America.

Otherwise and in general, those in power abusing it is a common them throughout history.

I would note, however, that Volcker/Reagan/air traffic controllers was very early 1980s whereas the offshoring to China didn't really start until after the 1984 thawing of relations.

The 1984 thaw isn't documented, but I know about it personally because I visited China in 1984 - a visit enabled by said thaw whereupon the wife of a professor at the university where my father taught, who was the daughter of some Party official, was able to arrange a tour of China by faculty members and their families. This would not have been possible previously.

In that visit - it was abundantly clear that things were just starting off. The hotels we stayed in - we would literally be the only people there. Most of the group were overseas Chinese so the quality and style of food wasn't an issue, but it was certainly an issue for the non-Asian Americans. China also had a 2-currency system then: one currency for internal use and another based purely on foreign exchange. Chinese could only buy a refrigerator or what not using the foreign exchange version, so people were very reluctant to give change in said foreign exchange currency...

The tour was very extensive as well, so I saw - as a teenager - how a lot of Chinese were living all along the Yangtze river and in daily excursions into the countryside.
Poor but not suffering is the impression I got and certainly minimal to no industry in China at the time: Suzhou was like 50K people, Guangzhou was where the action was due to its proximity to Hong Kong (where Hong Kong touches CCP China) but was in no way a huge manufacturing center.

Lastly, I would note that the turbocharging of offshoring certainly happened after China joined the WTO in 2001.
This was 15 years after China initially applied; we can blame Dubya and the War on Terrah for that.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 16:02 utc | 274

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 16:02 utc | 274

Yeah, China was later. The sentiment that offshoring was a good thing because it undermined working class power was not popular before about then. It pained business people to have to be polite to employees, but they saw the need. What was it Orwell said about the working class in Britain, they could have fought the war without them, but they could not have won. That was the situation here too, and they chose it anyway. The old industrialists were not so confused about where their power came from.

Oddly enough, I understand we gave the Germans that good system you mention, with the idea of showing up the commies. In retrospect, you have to wonder who let that slip through. Nevertheless, it does seem to be or have been robust.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 19 2022 16:19 utc | 275

Are there gated communities here? Only for farm animals.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 17 2022 18:15 utc | 149

Ah, well that sounds promising - could Stoltenberg be parked in a pigsty, perhaps?

Posted by: BM | Jan 19 2022 16:30 utc | 276

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 13:21 utc | 262

What you wrote is part of what the Fed does; the other part (more recent, and a primary method used both in 2008 and in the 2019 mystery bailout) is buying CMBs and various other non-government financial instruments directly from the "private sector". This amount is in the trillions.

You are just repeating what I said. The federal reserve Act allows the Fed to buy US govt obligations which also includes obligations that the US govt guarantees such as agency mortgage-backed securities.

The bottom line is that regardless of what type of securities the Fed purchases it does not inject any capital into any bank.

When a private sector entity sells US govt-backed securities to a bank entity that results in newly created deposits in the sellers bank deposit account. Deposits are money that the bank owes to the depositor. That is, they are liabilities of the bank where the deposit is located. One effect of QE has been to load up the banks with an enormous amount of liabilities.

When deposits are moved from one bank to another the two banks have to settle accounts. Banks often borrow from each other to make these short term settlements. If banks can't find another bank to borrow from they will often borrow from the Fed. I don't understand why you think what happened in Sept. 2019 is a big mystery.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 19 2022 16:46 utc | 277

Bemidred, c1ue

Are you sure about "the 1984 thawing of relations."?

I ask this because I was sat in my seat in the second row at Harvard Business School when a group of visiting students from China were introduced to us all by Raymond Cory. They would be attending the course the following year.

That would have been the Spring of 1980.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 19 2022 17:21 utc | 278

@John Cleary #278
There were Soviet exchange students coming to the US in the 1960s and 1970s - would you consider that period to be one of "open relations" between these 2 countries?

As I said: the reason I was able to take a 30 day Yangtze river, China tour in 1984 was because something fundamental had changed. The utter lack of any other tourism groups informed me that what we were experiencing was indeed new, as were the numerous oddities that pop up when a country is hosting tourists for the first time in memory. And note that we weren't just random tourists - we were there because of a direct familial connection which no doubt paved the way for the entire group.

It is certainly possible things changed earlier, but it seems exceedingly odd that there would not have been visible signs of growth from a literal zero start.

I am absolutely certain "open relations" didn't factually exist right after Nixon's 1972 official opening of relations to China - so we have a maximum 12 year window during which "open relations" could have started earlier.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 18:02 utc | 279

@jinn #277
The Fed has been buying far more than agency backed mortgages.
Furthermore, you persist in the insistence that all deposits are bad for a bank.
If this is true, why are the large banks opening branches everywhere in order to garner more depositors?
Sorry, but your theoretical understanding is clearly not leavened by real world experience.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 18:05 utc | 280


Did you read what I wrote?

I wrote about Chinese students coming to attend the Harvard Business School MBA program.

If you genuinely believe that is the same as "Soviet exchange students coming to the US in the 1960s and 1970s" then I don't think we have any more to say to each other.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 19 2022 18:07 utc | 281

Raisi is in Moscow meeting with Putin for a very busy visit. The Russian transcript provides a few interesting nuggets:

Putin: "In the international arena, we cooperate very closely. I am not even talking about the fact that thanks to our efforts, we have largely managed to help the Syrian Government overcome the threats associated with international terrorism." [My Emphasis]

IMO, both Iran and Russia recognize there's only one leader that orchestrates international terrorism, and that's the Outlaw US Empire.

Raisi: "In the Islamic Republic of Iran, we have no restrictions on the development and expansion of relations with our friendly country, Russia, and these relations will be strategic. Therefore, these relations will not be short-term or positional – they will be permanent and strategic."

It was recently affirmed that Kazakh-Russian relations are of a strategic nature along with all CSTO members. Add China and Iran, and we have a very significant portion of Eurasia operating in a multifaceted strategic partnership that's growing from its current infancy.

Iran is very serious about its strategic relationship with Russia and developed a 20-year planning document that Raisi provided to Putin, which likely interlinks with Iran's strategic planning with China. With Iran soon to reestablish formal diplomatic relations with the Saudis, the Southwest Asian dynamic is again being altered, but this time in a peaceful direction.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2022 18:25 utc | 282

Teheran in Moscow today.

It could go under the radar but the CPRF has tabled for February a project to ask the president of the RF to recognize DNR and LNR as independent republics.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 19 2022 18:33 utc | 283

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 18:05 utc | 280

The Fed has been buying far more than agency backed mortgages.

You just posted a link that shows that is false.

Furthermore, you persist in the insistence that all deposits are bad for a bank.

That is also false. I said QE does not inject capital into banks as you claimed.
What QE does is create liabilities for banks. Of course, for every liability created by QE there is also new asset on the other side of the balance sheet ledger.
When a bank makes a loan that also creates deposits, but the asset (loan), in that case, earns the bank 3 or 4 percentage points more than what the bank pays on deposits - that's profitable for the bank. When the banks are saddled with deposits created by QE, the asset that comes with the deposit is only earning .15% interest - that leaves little room for profit after the bank has paid the interest on the deposits and other expenses.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 19 2022 19:46 utc | 284

Paco @283--

Thanks for that info! I hope that initiative gets a higher profile as it ought to help push the EUidiots to shove Zelensky into fulfilling Minsk. Do we know when Putin's to address the Federal Assembly? The two week deadline for a response from the Outlaw US Empire will quickly be upon us.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2022 19:46 utc | 285


Blinken is meeting Lavrov in Geneva on Friday.
That is the deadline.

ps I'm very lucky. I live in the best place in the world, and lying on the beach over Christmas is common!

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 19 2022 20:01 utc | 286

John Cleary @286--

Thanks for your reply! When I lived in Hawaii, I too enjoyed the entire Christmas/New Year's holidays on the beach when I wasn't busy feeding thousands of tourists. Where'd you get the info about Friday?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2022 20:04 utc | 287

karlof at #287

see this, where I first saw it

and from
Blinken to meet with senior Russian as Ukraine tensions soar

"...The State Department said Blinken will travel to Kyiv on Wednesday to meet with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, move on to Berlin and then meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Geneva on Friday. The hastily arranged trip aims to show U.S. support for Ukraine and impress on Russia the need for de-escalation..."

that last part keeps me in stitches. hahahaha. As the US has created this most recent phony crisis and the Ukraine never done a damn thing about implementing the Minsk Agreement of 2015

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 19 2022 20:10 utc | 288

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2022 19:46 utc | 285

Preventive maneuvering, for February after the Olympics and the meeting with Xi. If passed, which is not assured since it is supported by three parties but without majority, it would go against Minsk but at the same time it is a signal that the situation won't be allowed to drag on endlessly. I see a "bipartisan" initiative flavor to it, a la USA.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 19 2022 20:20 utc | 289

michaelj72 @288--

Thanks! That's quite an itinerary as Paris and Brussels are omitted. I don't see Blinken providing an extensive, detailed reply to Russia's position given the narrative that's been deployed. Throughout the Outlaw US Empire's history, it's always acted unilaterally; FDR's UN Charter that roped it into acting in concert with others is an aberration when seen against that background and is also why membership in the League of Nations was voted down. IMO, the USA has always been incapable of working together as an equal with others, although it can and does work with others when it's in command. It's an Anglo thing as the Brits are the same way--just look at the conflict between the two during WW2 for excellent examples.

And why should the Outlaw US Empire give a hoot about European security anyway?

Paco @289--

Thanks for your reply! Of course, it will need to be evaluated within the context of the Outlaw Empire's reply or lack thereof. Although it appears to be outside the current context, Xi's Davos speech was also directed at EU/NATO members and deserves to be fully read. Pepe's parsing was good, but more's there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2022 21:31 utc | 290

@John Cleary #281
I don't see why Harvard makes any difference.
The US uses Harvard and other top schools as a vehicle to start the ideological capture of other nation's children (and their families).
But by all means, flounce off in a huff if you cannot withstand even a modicum of disagreement.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 19 2022 23:57 utc | 291

@jinn #284
I think we're done.
Your definitions are such that apparently the Fed has no role in the printing and injection of money into the US economy, and that banks don't want deposits - Fed or otherwise.
The Fed banks are just innocent bureaucrats responding to the needs of the American people and American government, while the big US banks are just the best providers of financial services to the same.
No need to address the continual backstop of Fed loans - because they're bad! - to prop up failing banks like Citibank in 2008 or the still mysterious and undocumented 2019 bailout.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 20 2022 0:02 utc | 292

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 20 2022 0:02 utc | 292

Your definitions are such that apparently the Fed has no role in the printing and injection of money into the US economy, and that banks don't want deposits - Fed or otherwise.

Oh stop with the lies. I never said anything that is even vaguely close to what you are claiming I said.

Bank deposits are money. Only a completely moronic idiot would imagine that creating $8 trillion in new deposits is not a massive injection of money into the US economy.But that is not money the banks own - that is money the banks owe to depositors. That is money that depositors use to buy food and clothing and put a roof over their heads. And banks don't get paid much for managing those transactions which is why banks don't want deposits created in that manner.

And nobody said banks don't want deposits. What banks don't want is bank deposits that are created in a way that they can't make money on the process of creating them.

The bankster propaganda that you have swallowed and are now regurgitating is that QE was done to benefit banks. That is what they want you to believe. They want you and the rest of the public to support the idea that the Fed selling off the securities it holds (and thus reducing the deposits banks hold). They want you to believe that reversing QE is a good idea.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 20 2022 1:27 utc | 293

Posted by: pogohere | Jan 18 2022 6:50 utc | 200

Thanks for the link to that Helmer article from 2017 about Putin's strategies concerning oligarchs in Central Asia.

Helmer is highly variable, but despite the misleading title this one is definitely the best Helmer article I have seen. It explains how Putin has used Russian oligarchs to secure Russia's interests in her "Near Abroad" - Beloruss, Caucasus, Central Asia - and this seems to spread an enormous amount of light on Putin's treatment (read tolerance) of the Oligarchs' positions in Russia. As I now understand it, once he had sufficiently consolidating his domestic position in Russia, Putin imposed conditions on Russian oligarchs - namely that they could hold onto their ill-gotten wealth and would be safe from prosecution for the criminal methods they had used in the past, provided (a) they didn't mis-use important Russian strategic assets such as oil etc; (b) probably also some limitations on the extent of corruption that would be tolerated inside Russia; and (c) - Helmer's contribution, competing against the corruption of the USA/EU at their own game - that they would be allowed to exercise their corrupt schemes to amass further fortunes in a similar way to the past but only outside Russia and provided their dealings conformed very closely to Russian interests, actively furthered those interests, and followed Russia's nudgings. In so doing, Russia was able to regain the strategic interests in her near abroad that she had lost during the Yeltsin years, and protect herself against the aggression of the USA. Thus, although when we look at Russian affairs in isolation Putin's apparently excessive tolerance of the oligarchs appears to be unwarranted and rather mystifying patronage (I formerly assumed it was some relic of Putin's promises made when he first took over from Yeltsin, when he was in the weakest position), in fact Putin's limited and constrained patronage of the oligarchs must be creditied as supporting in very considerable measure Russia's miraculous come-back both in economic and political power since the disaster of Yeltsin.

I would further speculate that with the recent resounding success in Kazakhstan and the tremendous changes that result from that, Putin's critical need to rely on the oligarchs for securing his near abroad will largely dissolve. Either his contract with them will soon be dissolved (i.e. he'll rein them in completely), or he'll transform them again into a new role that furthers quite different critically important Russian objectives, while tightening up a bit more their conduct. Those that agree to their new role they will be OK, those that do not (if any) will no longer be tolerated. Since Putin will apparently only be President another 2 more years, for face-saving reasons he might wait for his successor to phase in the new rules for oligarchs, though there could be a few smaller changes before that.

Maybe some of the Russian experts here such as S.P. Korolev, Paco, S etc can correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: BM | Jan 20 2022 14:41 utc | 294

Posted by: BM | Jan 20 2022 14:41 utc | 294

I'm no expert, but I think you make a good point about the utility of pet oligarchs, something I have noticed with our own oligarchs here too. Those big piles of money serve as weapons in financial wars. Often the first brought into play. It makes sense that Putin would want his own.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 20 2022 14:52 utc | 295

The UK is different than the US - they have both the PMC class AND an aristocracy. I have read before that the UK aristocracy still owns something like 30% of the land in the UK, but don't know how true it is.
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2022 14:13 utc | 210

The richest entity in the UK is the Crown (primarily the queen, although I am not sure if the term includes secondary royals; in any case the queen dwarfs the others) - that is probably around the 30% mark but I don't know. Second in line is the Church of England, also owning a massive proportion of the country's property. Third on the list is Trinity College Cambridge. (Many other Oxford and Cambridge colleges also come very high up on the list). That is not even yet accounting for the rest of the aristocracy after the Crown - between them I dare say they account for the majority of the remainder of UK property. Property ownership of ordinary people is a pretty small proportion of the pie.

Also bear in mind that the above accounts for the cream of the cream of property, not desert and wasteland.

Posted by: BM | Jan 20 2022 15:02 utc | 296

@ John Cleary
The first Chinese students went to the usa in 1979

Posted by: Platero | Jan 20 2022 16:01 utc | 297

Posted by: Platero | Jan 20 2022 16:01 utc | 297

That sounds about right. My first year was 1979-1980.

It could have been the first semester.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 20 2022 18:18 utc | 298

That ICAO report is worth discussing. This part looks pretty damning for Belarus: they can't produce the email from 9:25?

5.2. According to the authorities of Belarus, a first email was received at 09:25 UTC (12:25 local) followed by a second email at 09:56:45 UTC (12:56:45 local), both containing identical information about the bomb threat. On the other hand, information obtained from Switzerland through the authorities of Lithuania shows that only the second email was sent to Minsk Airport at 09:56:45 UTC (12:56:45 local). The FFIT was not able to verify that the first email was effectively received at 09:25 UTC (12:25 local) as the authorities of Belarus did not provide logs of the email server nor the email files containing the threat messages saved in their original format including their metadata, citing their erasure in accordance with their data retention policy. The receipt of the first email is crucial to explain the basis for the communication of the bomb threat by Minsk ACC to the flight crew, which occurred at 09:30:49 UTC (12:30:49 local). In the absence of the first email, it could be presumed that the information about the bomb threat would have been obtained by the authorities of Belarus by other means, which the FFIT could not establish. If the first email was in fact received at Minsk Airport, the diversion of the flight to Minsk Airport could be considered to be a tenable option in view of the circumstances.

5.3. The FFIT could not corroborate the information provided by the authorities of Belarus regarding
the transmission by phone of the contents of the threat email from airport personnel to Minsk ACC personnel leading to the notification of the threat to RYR 1TZ. As cellular phone records of the personnel involved documenting the time and duration of the calls and person or entity contacted were not made available, those statements could not be supported by evidence.

I am confused by the report. When analyzing the mail you would expect to have the full header information with things like SPF information. This is included for none of the mails, six in all. Also the information about the mails has been provided by Lithuania, a hostile state. I'm also not certain whether Belarus could not provide them the full email, header and all, or whether it could not provide it directly from the mail server. I mean, it is not that it gets deleted from your inbox or is it?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 20 2022 18:33 utc | 299

To rephrase the conflict I am having: did Belarus fail to provide the actual email or does ICAO combine a low standard for proof provided by 'our side' (screenshots and data coming from Lithuania)with an very high standard of proof for the Belarus side (server side data)?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 20 2022 20:01 utc | 300

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