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January 26, 2022
Open Thread 2022-08
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Peter AU1 @ 190 Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 27 2022 20:32 utc | 201 And so we get to wait some more! Posted by: juliania | Jan 27 2022 20:35 utc | 202 I would laugh if this wasn’t so sad:
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 27 2022 20:45 utc | 203 Russia, France, Germany and Ukraine have just had a meeting. (about Minsk) I see the slight relaxation in the wartalk/buildup as a sign that Putin may give some space for Macron and Scholz to do something. It doesn’t hurt that the Warthogs are stuck in cold mud for a few weeks either. Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 27 2022 20:46 utc | 204 @Stonebird | Jan 27 2022 20:46 utc | 204
It is simply beautiful to see that you can simply stop talking to “The EU” and say that NATO and Stoltenberg having ‘lost touch with reality’ and they quickly become irrelevant, because it is true. I love it! Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2022 21:05 utc | 205 Kartoschka #140
Thank you for your response. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 27 2022 21:09 utc | 206 John Cleary @198– karlof1, these two links may be of interest: Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 27 2022 21:36 utc | 208 juliania @202 & Stonebird @204– Posted by: Jan | Jan 27 2022 17:45 utc | 186 Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 27 2022 21:53 utc | 210 This is to Christian on the ICAO Report – Ryanair Plane That Landed in Minsk Was NOT Forced Down Thread. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 27 2022 21:58 utc | 211 It’s not at all about keeping negotiations private because they’re supposedly easier that way. No, it’s because the amazing duplicity carried out over the last 30 years is finally being revealed, and it tars the West in a way that no other nation or group of nations ought to believe anything from those nations. Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 27 2022 22:02 utc | 212 John Cleary @208–
Ah yes, but they can always fall back on plausible deniability. Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 27 2022 22:03 utc | 214 oldhippie Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 22:16 utc | 215 John Cleary @214– @Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2022 23:00 utc | 31 Posted by: Rae | Jan 27 2022 22:18 utc | 217 Hopefully Lavrov has something better up his sleeve than an appeal to the ECHR. Nice work for lawyers that will never resolve anything. I can’t see much change in the situation unless France or Germany break ranks. War is still a possibility. Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 22:21 utc | 218 The only way to know if this theatre is getting global traction is to read NAM nation’s media. If Outlaw US Empire media was actually independent, we would see headlines screaming about the huge amount of stupidity and incompetence demanding Blinken’s resignation at minimum. Instead, BigLie Media provides Narrative Support and becomes an abetting criminal in the affair. Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 27 2022 22:30 utc | 219 dh 218 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 22:37 utc | 220 Here is something I found. ASB Military on twitter. A little more interesting than I neew when I gotta work. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 27 2022 22:38 utc | 221 @Peter AU1 #215 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 27 2022 22:42 utc | 222 @220 Yes but Lavrov is a decent guy who believes in international law. He is dealing with the exceptional nation. In my optimistic moments I tend to think France and Germany see Russia as having a good case when it comes to NATO expansion. They are the only countries that can make a difference. We’ll never get any sense out of the UK or Poland or Lithuania. Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 22:44 utc | 223 Peter AU1 @215–
Hello dh Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 27 2022 22:50 utc | 225 @225 Not sure why you think I see weakness. Russia is probably in a stronger position than it’s been for a long time. And I don’t see them as vindictive or vengeful. The people they are obliged to deal with are another matter. Still got to wonder how long all this so-called ‘diplomacy’ can last. Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 22:56 utc | 226 PeterAU1 @ 215 Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 27 2022 22:59 utc | 227 dh “Still got to wonder how long all this so-called ‘diplomacy’ can last.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 23:03 utc | 228 @228 So you see the First Strike as a possibility? No response from Russia or China? Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 23:06 utc | 229 Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 27 2022 11:42 utc | 118 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 27 2022 23:07 utc | 230 Late afternoon update – Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 27 2022 23:22 utc | 231
Genius is born in the most unlikely portion of society; Juaréz, Altamirano. Posted by: Guerrero | Jan 27 2022 23:24 utc | 232 Sorry dh. Misunderstood this:
Now given that The US has its launch sites in position, that it is conducting a new Manhatten Project to obtain hypersonic missiles, and that its policy is to obstruct, obfuscate and delay. Well. Posted by: John Cleary | Jan 27 2022 23:24 utc | 233 @231 Freeland, Joli, Anand you sure got some tough chicks there. What does Trudeau do all day? Run around making lattes? Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 23:29 utc | 234 The Saker has linked to a video documenting some of the deployments and sorties I mentioned yesterday, and they are very big and packed with seriousness. The audio’s Russian, so go to full screen click cc, then auto translate and select English or whatever you prefer. What caught my ear was deployment of Eastern Military District units and Naval assets; Central and Southern District deployments I’d assumed. For the first time since it became Russia again, most of its naval assets are at sea. The Saker has linked to a video documenting some of the deployments and sorties I mentioned yesterday, and they are very big and packed with seriousness. Unfortunately, it appears The Saker’s site is being blocked again, but most will know where to find it. The audio’s Russian, so go to full screen click cc, then auto translate and select English or whatever you prefer. What caught my ear was deployment of Eastern Military District units and Naval assets; Central and Southern District deployments I’d assumed. For the first time since it became Russia again, most of its naval assets are at sea. karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 23:37 utc | 237 Posted by: suzan | Jan 27 2022 17:41 utc | 185 who wrote: Posted by: jinn | Jan 27 2022 23:38 utc | 238 @ 234, that’s a good question, what with Freeland taking the lead on first the CETA agreement and then the revised NAFTA, and Joly flying off to Kyiv during this time of heightened tensions. He is kind of in the background, albeit not at press conferences. As I understand it, Anand was chosen because she managed to procure vaccines against Covid and the hope is she can use her Midas touch to actually complete successfully a procurement in the Department of Defence. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 27 2022 23:40 utc | 239 Thanks karlof1 for your follow ups. I’d just been over at the Saker site, and his most recent two posts were first, very similar to your ‘wait and see’ one, but next a video of the two Russian military strategists that to my unsophisticated view is a setting of the stage on three oceans rather like chesspieces on a board being suddenly turned into queens. I’m ignorant, so I won’t say more. Let others more qualified than I discuss this. Posted by: juliania | Jan 27 2022 23:42 utc | 240 @ karlof 235
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 27 2022 23:47 utc | 241 @233 “Sorry dh. Misunderstood this:…” Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2022 23:48 utc | 242
Eighthman | Jan 27 2022 3:11 utc | 71:
jinn | Jan 27 2022 23:38 utc | 237: Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 27 2022 23:54 utc | 243 dh 229 “@228 So you see the First Strike as a possibility?” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 23:54 utc | 244 @238 Don’t know what happened to Trudeau. He seemed to be the darling of Canadian neo-libs for a while. The girls have stuck him in the back room. Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 27 2022 23:56 utc | 245 I guess if all else fails, a likely yes in answer to your question dh. The problem with predicting what Putin will do, is that he knows of many ways to skin a cat. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2022 23:57 utc | 246 Here is a messed up twitter thing I found. I am a misanthrope, but not as much as these humans. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 28 2022 0:07 utc | 247 @245 I was thinking more of some of Putin’s Western ‘colleagues’. There are some there who think a pre-emptive strike might be the way to go. I’m sure the Russians are prepared for that possibility. Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2022 0:11 utc | 248 Venezuela welcomes the opportunity for military cooperation with Russia: Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 28 2022 0:11 utc | 249 from The Saker
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Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 0:12 utc | 250 @248 That was posted here a few days ago. Several times in fact. I’m sure Venezuela would support Russia in the event of a war. They owe Russia a lot. Whether that would extend to missile bases or not remains to be seen. Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2022 0:15 utc | 251 dh “I’m sure the Russians are prepared for that possibility.’ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 0:18 utc | 252 More from Canada: a Member of Parliament from Manitoba spoke out against Canada’s Ukraine policies: Posted by: jayc | Jan 28 2022 0:21 utc | 253 re: Saker
Posted by: Don Bdacon | Jan 28 2022 0:28 utc | 254 Posted by: Debsisdead @ 127 Posted by: Paul | Jan 28 2022 0:33 utc | 255 @251 If she stays with the ‘far right militias’ line she should be OK. That’s what they are. They seem to be as anti-Russian as they are anti-Semitic.. Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2022 0:47 utc | 256 . . .from 1945 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 0:58 utc | 257 A sob story from microsoft which was heavily involved in the US takeover of Ukraine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 0:58 utc | 258 Posted by: Paul @ 253 Posted by: Paul | Jan 28 2022 1:06 utc | 259 I am not sure if this is the saker post being referred to in this comment thread, but this is the link to youtube of a video at the saker site with english subtitles. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 1:11 utc | 260 Couple of developments I am just using the RT links.and have taken some paragraphs. Posted by: D.G. | Jan 28 2022 1:16 utc | 261 It has become commonplace to refer to the actions of the US/West (particularly, as regards Russia and China”) as “crazy” and “delusional”. But, this is a very inadequate way of understanding what is happening, firstly because states are not really capable of acting without reason and, secondly, because, it implies a foregone conclusion i.e. the predetermined failure of the US/West’s “crazy” and “delusional” strategy. Posted by: ADKC | Jan 28 2022 1:26 utc | 262 It has become commonplace to refer to the actions of the US/West (particularly, as regards Russia and China”) as “crazy” and “delusional”. But, this is a very inadequate way of understanding what is happening, firstly because states are not really capable of acting without reason and, secondly, because, it implies a foregone conclusion i.e. the predetermined failure of the US/West’s “crazy” and “delusional” strategy. Posted by: ADKC | Jan 28 2022 1:26 utc | 263 lex talionis Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 1:28 utc | 264 Crooke’s latest provokes questions, provides some answers, and makes the brain squirm. I suggest Putin and his military have just shown that containing Russia is impossible, and China has also, meaning the NDAA strategy is already sunk. karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 2:05 utc | 266 Skinning cats??? all I know about them is that in urban organic gardening, they grow good zucchini’s and pumpkins. Apparently humans grow good daisies but I’ve never been into flower gardening. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 2:10 utc | 267 Re NS2 Posted by: CarlD | Jan 28 2022 2:52 utc | 268 Russia in Cuba and Venezuela! That would get attention from the world hegemon USA, in Latin America where their Chinese buddies are doing well. Bye-bye, Monroe Doctrine. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 2:55 utc | 269 ADKC #260
Thank you for that post and I see that global situation in the same light. The Yemen battle space is shifting fast and the UAE may likely not succeed in holding its advantage. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 28 2022 2:55 utc | 270 “Germany and France both need to crawl out from under the yankee boot but that will take a major effort right now. The likelihood of a false flag / novichok event in Ukraine or Crimea is very high. The empire is getting desperate as they are so close to absolute dominance and yet so far away from any victory and the european faultlines are growing.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 3:00 utc | 271 @ 260 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 3:03 utc | 272 Karlof1 @262 Posted by: ADKC | Jan 28 2022 3:10 utc | 273 @ Peter AU1 268 – Fully agree about the false flag business. If I remember correctly, Jen mentioned that there is a bunch of ammonium nitrate stored on the docks of Odessa. That could be a fun little revisit to Lebanon. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 28 2022 3:13 utc | 274 @ ADKC 260 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 3:13 utc | 275 As I can’t seem to go to either the youtube or the final page on which both karlof1 and someone else are discussing the Saker video, here is what I remember from seeing it there originally. It was the last, most recent offering on his top line of news, and marked ‘Must see!’ The title also is “Shoigu and Gerasimov Cause Serious Confusion to Nato.” Mostly it is one of them at a time reading off lists of the names of ships to be deployed in three areas of ocean – the largest deployment, they claim, since the Soviet era. One area is the Mediterranean, another Northern Atlantic, and the other Northern Pacific. As each group of ships was mentioned they were shown onscreen. There was mention of six coming into the British Channel as I remember, along with where each group would be coming from. Posted by: juliania | Jan 28 2022 3:20 utc | 276 @ 262
That’s China’s dope-a dope strategy. Get the US to focus on Taiwwan and the South China Sea, meanwhile clean the US clock to China’s west — Europe, Africa and Latin America.. . .It’s working! Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 3:26 utc | 277 Don Bacon #271
Yes, and they are quite capable of stooping very low in Ukraine to achieve their ends. See NEO: https://journal-neo.org/2022/01/26/does-the-us-intend-to-trigger-a-bacteriological-war/ Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 28 2022 3:30 utc | 278 CarlD @265 Posted by: ADKC | Jan 28 2022 3:30 utc | 279 @ ut 274 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 3:39 utc | 281 ADKC 270 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 3:46 utc | 282 Don Bacon @271 Posted by: ADKC | Jan 28 2022 4:07 utc | 283 @ ADKC Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 4:19 utc | 284 The China hawks are revolting. . . Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 4:38 utc | 285 Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela Posted by: migueljose | Jan 28 2022 4:45 utc | 286 ADKC “I don’t believe the US military could defeat Russia or China but I am not referring to a “military” defeat. The US has no intention of engaging in a direct military conflict with Russia or China; it aims to defeat them by encirclement and containment and stopping the BRI.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 4:46 utc | 287 Debsisdead 85 “Unless my stalker sticks his oar in and manages to piss me off sufficiently that is all I really want to say about this lest I become that which I am rabbiting on about.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 5:02 utc | 288 . . .for down-under-ites…..
Paul Keating was the prime minister of Australia from 1991 to 1996. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 28 2022 5:22 utc | 289 Xinhuanet is reporting the following Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 28 2022 5:38 utc | 290 A return performance for James and all my friends at the bar here. Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 28 2022 6:31 utc | 291 @287 DGH – Nice! And I decided to clean up my act today. Wish me luck. Please. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 28 2022 7:04 utc | 292 One of the problems in all this is that the US/NATO is thinking of instigating a limited proxy war. I am not so sure that the response to such an instigation will be limited to US proxies. Indeed they might just be by-passed and the first strike may be at the source of the instigations; that is at the instigators. Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 28 2022 7:11 utc | 293 CarlD | Jan 28 2022 2:52 utc | 265 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 28 2022 7:24 utc | 294 If you don’t talk to Lavrov, you will talk to Shoigu. Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 28 2022 7:25 utc | 295 psychohistorian Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 28 2022 7:37 utc | 296 jinn #237
Rather than get into a ‘misunderstanding’ can you be definitive about what a “higher power” is. I can imagine a deity, an alien, an oligarch, an idiot with a virus in a bottle. Fauci seems like an idiot in a powerful position and so would pass for a ‘higher power’. Bill Gates is a supreme idiot on a mission from god? godot? or somewhere and certainly has the higher power of wealth and connections. Joe Biden and Donald Trump all qualify as both idiots and higher powers in some way. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 28 2022 9:17 utc | 297 psychohistorian #286 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 28 2022 9:31 utc | 298 ADKC #279
I believe the lunacy in the UKUSA can only be calmed by senior nations in the EU asserting strenuous effort on the USA. Russia has put forward a broad European security negotiating proposal and the UKUSA has foolishly dismissed it. European nations have here a chance to reverse the incremental destabilising impoverishing reality of NATO and achieve a bonus for both their security and budgets. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 28 2022 9:43 utc | 299 I just watched this and found it very interesting. Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 28 2022 9:58 utc | 300 |
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