'Havana Syndrome' - CIA Can Not Rule Out That Cuban Crickets Chirped Russian
The CIA is using its mop-up man, NBC News 'reporter' Ken Dilanian, to refute a hoax it itself had created six years ago and which the mop-up man had long promoted:
CIA says 'Havana Syndrome' not result of sustained campaign by hostile power
In a new intelligence assessment, the CIA has ruled out that the mysterious symptoms known as Havana Syndrome are the result of a sustained global campaign by a hostile power aimed at hundreds of U.S. diplomats and spies, six people briefed on the matter told NBC News.In about two dozen cases, the agency cannot rule out foreign involvement, including many of the cases that originated at the U.S. Embassy in Havana beginning in 2016. Another group of cases is considered unresolved. But in hundreds of other cases of possible symptoms, the agency has found plausible alternative explanations, the sources said.
This site has called out the CIA's bullshitting about the claimed 'Havana syndrome' on several occasions. To recap:
In the autumn of 2016 U.S. diplomats stationed in Cuba started to complain about being affected by some mysterious noise. Twenty four embassy staff and family claimed a bizarre list of symptoms - from headaches, dizziness and sleeping difficulties to problems with balance, vision and hearing. Doctors were not sure what affected these people. There were all kinds of speculations about a mysterious 'sonic weapons' with which the diplomats were 'attacked', but no convincing evidence was found.
Cuba fully cooperated with an FBI investigation into the mystery. Scientist dispelled the idea of a 'sonic weapon' attack. The medical evidence turned out to be dubious. Nevertheless anti-Cuban politicians in the U.S. successfully used the issue to pressure the White House to penalize the country. The Trump administration recalled 60% of its embassy personal in Havana and expelled Cuban diplomats from the embassy in Washington. It issued a travel warning for its citizens going to Cuba and stopped issuing visas for Cubans in Havana.
The investigation continued. Some recordings of the mysterious noise were made and doctors played various of these to the affected persons. The patients confirmed that the sound was like the noise that had bothered them. On October 17 2017 those sound files were given to the Associated Press and published (vid). In its report on the files the AP noted that:
It sounds sort of like a mass of crickets.The Cuban government and its scientist analyzed those sound files and compared them with known sound sources in Cuba. On October 27 2017 they published their conclusions. The results were also handed to U.S. investigators. The AP reported the Cuban finding:
Officials with Cuba’s Interior Ministry said that U.S. investigators had presented them with three recordings made by presumed victims of sonic attacks and that analysis of the sounds showed them to be extremely similar to those of crickets and cicadas that live along the northern coast of Cuba.
“It’s the same bandwidth and it’s audibly very similar,” said Lt. Col. Juan Carlos Molina, a telecommunications specialist with the Interior Ministry. “We compared the spectrums of the sounds and evidently this common sound is very similar to the sound of a cicada.”
The mop-up man claims that the 'agency cannot rule out foreign involvement, including many of the cases that originated at the U.S. Embassy in Havana beginning in 2016.'. Does that mean that the Cuban crickets were maybe trained to chirp in Russian?
The President Donald Trump first blamed Cuba for the cricket attack. In May 2018 the State Department suddenly accused China of the attacks. In September 2018 that changed to Russia.
Last year the CIA removed its station chief in Vienna because he had mocked some of his people who claimed to have a 'Havana syndrome' when they probably had a hangover or were a bit overworked:
The sidelining of the station chief in one of the largest and most prestigious CIA posts is expected to send a message that top agency leaders must take seriously any reports of “Havana Syndrome,” the phenomenon named after the Cuban capital where U.S. diplomats and intelligence officers had first reported unusual and varied symptoms, from headaches to vision problems and dizziness to brain injuries, that started in 2016.In recent months, the Austrian capital has become a hotbed of what the CIA officially calls “anomalous health incidents.” The ouster of the CIA station chief comes as the State Department’s top official overseeing Havana Syndrome cases leaves her position after six months.
The department said Ambassador Pamela Spratlen was exiting because she had “reached the threshold of hours of labor” permitted under her status as a retiree. But she faced calls for her resignation after a teleconference with victims who had asked a question about an FBI study that determined the illnesses had a psychological origin rather than a physical one.
The 'Havana syndrome' was always, as the CIA now admits, pure nonsense. All people at times feel unwell for a myriad of issues. There was no reason to speculate that it was the result of some foreign directed weapon. The former agents and diplomats who now ask for compensation for that should be laughed at.
That all was pretty obvious from the onset. The claim of a microwave attack or use of a similar physical phenomenon never made sense. While it is possible to use microwaves to make people 'hear' something under laboratory conditions all efforts to produce weapons from that effect have failed.
Over some distance it would need a gigantic directional microwave set and lots of energy to make people 'hear' something and to make them feel bad. (Radiation power density, such as watts per square centimeter, is reduced by the square of the distance from the source.) Even if it were possible to build that into a truck size vehicle it would never be possible to get the very same noise someone would 'hear' from it on tape.
If one can record the sound that makes people feel bad it must be the real sound that does that.
No propaganda can change that fact.
But still, Russia, China and Cuba must be blamed. Just wait for the CIA will now come up with some other nonsense to do just that.
Posted by b on January 20, 2022 at 15:34 UTC | Permalink
OSS (predecessor to CIA) wrote report on Hitler
The phrase "big lie" was used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
CIA has been using same methods for decades so why the change in never admitting a fault? Because there is news waiting to come out about an even bigger fault and CIA thought it might be useful to clean up its reputation for lying?
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 20 2022 16:03 utc | 3
I have lived through an invasion of the 17-year cicada, and the noise is not to be laughed at. It is horrific. That does hot, however, justify the hyperventilating about "unknown disease" or "attack" scenarios. We knew what the noise was, and while it annoyed the hell out of us, it did no damage to any of us.
Posted by: Bill H. | Jan 20 2022 16:19 utc | 4
Did it have any correlation with the American fatso syndrome? Just guessing.
Posted by: Choderlos de Laclos | Jan 20 2022 16:31 utc | 5
It was easy to know it was a hoax after multiple incidents in multiple countries. U can't do this type of op that many times without getting discovered or some mole finally getting his hand on the blueprint. also why would someone use something this potent on a bunch of diplomats when u can use it on top leadership of ur adversary.
But miksas has said something that needs some expanding,why hasn't been any investigation on why three popular leftist Latin American leader got cancer back to back. U can easily put some cancer causing substance in their food as the security wasn't that tight for these people and Cia has killed or tried to kill multiple heads of states multiple times, so it's very much a possibility.
Posted by: A.z | Jan 20 2022 16:33 utc | 6
"Any nation’s leader would be a fool to allow anyone from NED within their borders."
From the 1990's onwards the prescence of NED and associates was useful in decreasing measure in facilitating the frustration of the purposes of NED and associates until that facilitation no longer facilitated the purposes of The Russian Federation.
Practices of seeking attribution as in "We won the Cold War..." ,"See we are exceptional", "Full spectrum dominance" and "The end of history" were components in the facilitation of the opponents' complicities.
Omniscience is never possible in any interaction and so there was a "difference of opinion" on velocity of decrease in utility, but the general concept had been accepted/agreed in the early 1970's when the Politburo believed in detente on the bases of influence whilst others did not, nor did/do they believe that they were/are "exceptional" and/or were/are perceived as such, thereby facilitating the complicity of some of the Politburo.
“The USA is a society in which its children are forced to place their hands on their chests and recite a pledge of allegiance “
“"With No Progress In Talks Russia Will Have To React"
Most practices in the coercive social relations self-misrepresented as “The United States of America” are attempts to reinforce conformance and immersion in methods/perceptions which facilitate conformance, as has been the case from inception “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident” refers, or Mr. Simon's song My little town, if you prefer.
Some attempting to reinforce conformance tend to the view that the “benefits” of doing so accrue solely to themselves, an illusion reinforced by derivatives of “exceptionalism”.
However the benefits of their efforts also accrue to their opponents particularly in matters of “perception management” - sometimes known as the one does the set-up; and one does the strike routine.
A useful tool in "perception management" is to act in a way that you always intended to act at a time when you intended to act, which the opponent will "interpret" as being in reaction to something that he has done, the content of which being a function of "exceptionalism" and projection.
Another useful tool is to do nothing when your opponent expects you to react and allow the lacunae to be bridged by the opponents beliefs - an example of opponents bridging doubt by belief to attain self-confirmation - a tool that is consistently resorted to in present contexts, when evangelised known as "fake news", Mr. Rove's observation on "We are an Empire.." refers, although Mr. Rove apparently omitted behaviours such as impatience and tendencies of premature ejaculations predicated upon attempts at increasing the noise/signal ratio.
Therefore : Slanted Reporting Can Lead to Good Foreign policies for others with facility.
For the 1995 Russian Presidential election, those who had "generously" donated a Constitution also financed the services of "international marketing experts" to ensure the election of Mr. Yeltsin thereby increasing Mr. Putin's and others' opportunities from 1999 onwards.
Posted by: NotEuclid | Jan 20 2022 16:46 utc | 7
"In a new intelligence assessment.."
Re-work, although quite popular in some locations, always undermines "productivity", but does increase "budgets" - just not so much in Boeing's case though.
Posted by: NotEuclid | Jan 20 2022 16:55 utc | 8
Just look at the pic! Those damn Communist-red-eyed creatures couldn't be good for free people...
I imagine a dialogue between Mr Trump and the queen
- Would like to visit you at Balmoral, Her Magesty, but but this issue of cricket sounds is keeping me busy
- Well, Mr President, you are not mandated to join us to the game.
Posted by: Andres | Jan 20 2022 17:01 utc | 9
First result of the ongoing talks between us and the commies?
Posted by: mpn | Jan 20 2022 17:01 utc | 10
thanks b... blaming russia, china, or cuba, venezuala and etc. has to continue! and let me put in a plug for hoyeru.. don't forgot to blame that pussy putin!
Posted by: james | Jan 20 2022 17:13 utc | 11
btw - that mop up man article is good... shows what slaves some of the presstitutes are.. thanks...
Posted by: james | Jan 20 2022 17:14 utc | 12
America is a laughing stock.
These snowflake US diplomats were throwing a hissy fit about chirping crickets....
Apparently, Cricket Evil-Doers Hate US Freedoms too.
Posted by: ak74 | Jan 20 2022 17:35 utc | 14
Intel sources claim a Cuban cricket armada is swimming toward Florida. Biden promises the Mother of All Sanctions. Governor DeSantis promises Florida lizards are ready to take them on.
Posted by: Erelis | Jan 20 2022 17:50 utc | 15
And the response from most main stream media...crickets.
Here is CBS Miami from October 2017
Maybe they were just listening to the Dead Boys classic Sonic Reducer
I am pretty sad for my country.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 20 2022 17:52 utc | 16
If I recall correctly, Leith once referred to something comparable on SST.
Russian submarines? Or Herring farts ...
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/for-15-years-sweden-thought-enemy-submarines-were-invading-its-territory-it-turned-out-to-be-herring-farts/
Posted by: LeaNder | Jan 20 2022 17:57 utc | 17
William Casey (as quoted, though questioned) claimed the public mushroom treatment was active.
And here we are.
Posted by: Cadence Calls | Jan 20 2022 18:07 utc | 18
The assassination by cancer stuff mentioned by posters above is actually very easy for a state actor. No magical beam weapons are needed. What is done is that the target’s food (or toothbrush, as was the case with Arafat) is “salted” with “hot particles”. These are a fine dust of elemental polonium or americium. Such elements are short-lived and quickly decay into non-radioactive substances. While they exist, though, they are energetic alpha emitters. Alpha radiation is short range and easily shielded, but if one of these microscopic “hot particle” pieces of dust lodges in one’s intestines then you are done for. The constant outpouring of alpha radiation will scramble nearby DNA until it causes cancer. As well, in small quantities these “hot particles” are difficult to detect. Even your epidermis will block much of the radiation from them, so finding one such particle in someone’s intestines is very difficult even with the best current technology.
Never eat at the White House and be sure to bring your own bottled water. Indeed, never share meals with anyone who hangs with State Department, CIA, or other such nasty spooks. Just a warning for some of our more dissident posters in case they get a strange invite.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 20 2022 18:07 utc | 19
The assassination by cancer stuff mentioned by posters above is actually very easy for a state actor. No magical beam weapons are needed. What is done is that the target’s food (or toothbrush, as was the case with Arafat) is “salted” with “hot particles”. These are a fine dust of elemental polonium or americium. Such elements are short-lived and quickly decay into non-radioactive substances. While they exist, though, they are energetic alpha emitters. Alpha radiation is short range and easily shielded, but if one of these microscopic “hot particle” pieces of dust lodges in one’s intestines then you are done for. The constant outpouring of alpha radiation will scramble nearby DNA until it causes cancer. As well, in small quantities these “hot particles” are difficult to detect. Even your epidermis will block much of the radiation from them, so finding one such particle in someone’s intestines is very difficult even with the best current technology.
Never eat at the White House and be sure to bring your own bottled water. Indeed, never share meals with anyone who hangs with State Department, CIA, or other such nasty spooks. Just a warning for some of our more dissident posters in case they get a strange invite.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 20 2022 18:07 utc | 20
A week ago, blinky said about the Syndrome:
We are working overtime across the entire government to get to the bottom of what happened, who is responsible
So will someone get in trouble for this leak to NBC, or is it a "plant"?
But, look - over there - 127,000 Russians, up 27,000 from yesterday!
Posted by: Keith McClary | Jan 20 2022 18:24 utc | 21
Wow. Blinken actually said (repeating #20) "And as I said, we’ve got virtually the entire government working on this at the President’s instructions".
What the heck did President Biden say? That's almost 2 million civilian and 1.3 million military, not counting contractors etc.
Posted by: Billb | Jan 20 2022 18:39 utc | 22
o/t
moldova pays gas bill at last minute, avoiding cutoff
Posted by: ptb | Jan 20 2022 19:43 utc | 23
The cicada's claim to fame is its singing. The high-pitched song is actually a mating call belted out by males. ... Cicadas are the only insects capable of producing such a unique and loud sound. Some larger species can produce a call in excess of 120 decibels at close range.
That's one factor -- the other is this.
A Fungus Is Pushing Cicada Sex Into Hyperdrive And Leaving Them Dismembered
. . .A fungus called Massospora, which can produce compounds of cathinone — an amphetamine — infects a small number of [male cicadas] and makes them lose control.
The fungus takes over their bodies, causing them to lose their lower abdomen and genitals. And it pushes their mating into hyperdrive.
"This is stranger than fiction," Matt Kasson, an associate professor of forest pathology and mycology at West Virginia University, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "To have something that's being manipulated by a fungus, to be hypersexual and to have prolonged stamina and just mate like crazy." . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2022 20:23 utc | 24
Who wants a Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Yesterday a wrote a short comment on the prospect of war in Ukraine.
- No party to the conflict is planning an attack.
- Everyone believes that the opposing forces will attack.
- War can start just from someone sneezing at the wrong time.
- If a war starts, both parties will accuse the other party of having started the fighting.
- If any party actually wants to start a war, it will do so by staging a false-flag attack, and blaming the other party.
I thought the analysis was self-evident and mediocre at best, so I only posted it in a small Finnish-language Facebook group.
Today I have some new insights. The war will not start with a false-flag attack, but with a false-false-flag attack.
On January 14 CNN, White House press secretary Jen Psaki, DoD spokesman John Kirby and every Western media outlet was accusing Russia of preparing a false-flag attack in Donbass to serve as a 'fabricated pretext' to invade Ukraine.
Here is the CNN story as an example:
First on CNN: US intelligence indicates Russia preparing operation to justify invasion of UkraineWashington (CNN) The US has information that indicates Russia has prepositioned a group of operatives to conduct a false-flag operation in eastern Ukraine, a US official told CNN on Friday, in an attempt to create a pretext for an invasion.
The official said the US has evidence that the operatives are trained in urban warfare and in using explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia's own proxy forces.
Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said the Defense Department has credible information indicating Russia has "prepositioned a group of operatives" to execute "an operation designed to look like an attack on them or Russian-speaking people in Ukraine" in order to create a reason for a potential invasion.
The allegation echoed a statement released by Ukraine's Ministry of Defense on Friday, which said that Russian special services are preparing provocations against Russian forces in an attempt to frame Ukraine. National security adviser Jake Sullivan hinted at the intelligence during a briefing with reporters on Thursday.
A totally different version of the planned attack is given by Donetsk defense ministry spokesman Eduard Basurin on Solovyov Live. According to Basurin the Ukrainian plan was to blow up some chemical factory in Donbass and accuse Russia of ordering the attack. A purported Donbass militiaman would then "defect" to Ukraine and release videos of the chemical attack and statements that they were ordered to execute the attack by Russian special forces.
Basurin's statement may sound unbelievable, but it is exactly the script that I have seen played over and over again in Syria and Libya.
It is interesting that in both of the alleged scenarios the purpose of the false-flag attack is to provoke a Russian response and attack or invasion of Ukraine. I believe the version provided by Basurin is the correct on. Are the Ukrainians really so desperate for a war they have no chance of winning?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 20 2022 20:24 utc | 25
@ Petri Krohn
........Failed miserably 2
ICAO agrees with Minsk on the Ryanair plane incidentMINSK, January 18. /TASS/. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) did not mention the fact of interception and forced landing of the Ryanair plane in Minsk in its report, says Artyom Sikorsky, head of the Aviation Department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications of Belarus.
“The most important thing is that the investigation group accepted the proof provided by the Belarusian side that there was no interception, forced landing, or forced change of route of the Ryanair plane by Belarus,” Sikorsky said Tuesday, according to BelTA.
[...]
He noted that the Ryanair plane’s flight recorders do not contain the record of the decision to travel to Minsk.
“The recordings of crew conversations in the cockpit were not saved because the crew did not turn off the flight recorders after landing in Minsk,” Sikorsky explained. “Therefore, the crew did not save the objective control data and the audio recording at the moment when they decided to land in Minsk.”
According to the official, “this looks strange.”
Posted by: OACI | Jan 20 2022 20:50 utc | 27
One possibility that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet is that it may well have been those US embassies' own Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) that caused the symptoms. Back in the early 1990s, there were a string of senior NSC staff members working in the White House or the Old Executive Office Building who suffered mysterious and fairly sudden cancers. I knew one of them pretty well, whose cancer speedily proved fatal. At the time, many people in DC discussed the ECM possibility. Just saying.
From the link to use microwaves to make people 'hear' something under laboratory conditions all efforts to produce weapons:
"Dr. Sadovnik also makes the intriguing suggestion that, instead of being used at high power to create an intolerable noise, it might be used at low power to produce a whisper that was too quiet to perceive consciously but might be able to subconsciously influence someone. The directional beam could be used for targeted messages, such as in-store promotions. Sadovnik even suggests subliminal advertising, beaming information that is not consciously heard"
who knows if it is being used?
Posted by: gary | Jan 20 2022 21:42 utc | 29
"Mop-up Man" LOL that's a perfect description of Dilanian. He's essentially a CIA employee embedded with NBC.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2022 21:51 utc | 30
That all was pretty obvious from the onset. The claim of a microwave attack or use of a similar physical phenomenon never made sense. While it is possible to use microwaves to make people 'hear' something under laboratory conditions all efforts to produce weapons from that effect have failed.Over some distance it would need a gigantic directional microwave set and lots of energy to make people 'hear' something and to make them feel bad. (Radiation power density, such as watts per square centimeter, is reduced by the square of the distance from the source.) Even if it were possible to build that into a truck size vehicle it would never be possible to get the very same noise someone would 'hear' from it on tape.
Further, it would be dangerous for the equipment operators assuming the RF power levels and frequencies entailed. That said, the Wired article b linked was from a 2007/2008 time frame, and I'm assuming that much work has been done in the ensuing 13 years on directed energy weapons. In particular by Unkle Scam and the UKiddies.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2022 21:57 utc | 31
Posted by: Helena | Jan 20 2022 20:52 utc | 27
Yes, I don't have link but when the Cuban thing happened one former cia said more than likely it's the systems on the roof are out of a lineament.
It's
more fun to blame the Russians, China, Cuba, Iran, and all other nations that won't bow down to Amerika.
Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 20 2022 22:01 utc | 32
Crickets chirping? Sounds like the comments section of some of my favorite news sites as we all wait to see what noise Vlad The Hammer will make in response to the West's silence.
Posted by: Hal Duell | Jan 20 2022 22:02 utc | 33
A good break down of ned.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/20/73853/
Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 20 2022 22:02 utc | 34
Someone needs to investigate 'Guardian' Syndrome. For some reason I always feel nauseous after reading it.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 20 2022 22:11 utc | 35
The problem with claims of sonic or microwave and other energy based weaponry is the inverse-square law; basically, double the distance, quarter the intensity.
If such a weaponry is deployed outside the detection range of the embassy the intensity at the source would be astronomical and the path would be very focused, and there should be a path of devastation from the source to the target. The lack of collateral damage suggest the absence of such weaponry.
Assuming that Havana Syndrome is not completely psychosomatic, the most probable explanation is that the source is coming from inside the embassies: most likely poorly shielded spy equipment. In this case the inverse-square law would mean that people outside the embassy would be mostly unaffected.
Given that the U.S. has no compunction against spying on supposed allies, it would explain the why the phenomenon is so widespread, even among American vassal states.
Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Jan 20 2022 22:23 utc | 36
13 - hes. Was just being sarcastic re "commies". Trying to make the point that the new cold warriors seem to be fighting the old cold war.
Posted by: mpn | Jan 20 2022 22:31 utc | 37
@Tom_Q_Collins | 30
“Radiation power density… is reduced by the square of the distance from the source.”
No, that’s true only for sources that radiate in all directions, not microwave beams.
It is easy to project efficiently with parabolic dishes which are used everywhere for that reason.
Probably a $50 microwave oven and an old satellite dish could make a dangerous weapon.
Posted by: Eric G | Jan 20 2022 22:35 utc | 38
@Eric G , no it is true for distances much larger than the width of the source, the source possibly being widened by including a mirror.
Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 20 2022 22:51 utc | 41
Also it is called Havana Syndrome because it wants you make yourself sink through the floor.
Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 20 2022 22:55 utc | 42
My pet explanation is the variable quality of the cocaine supplied to the diplomats by the CIA. I am fairly sure that a bad batch could cause most or even all of these symptoms.
Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 20 2022 22:55 utc | 43
The Havana syndrome hoax served its purpose and is now being cast aside. That purpose was to condition the American public to hate and mistrust Cuba, Russia and China even more than they already did. Essentially, the hoax was a well played psyops attack. Before long there will be another, and the corporate media will play their part, just as they always do. Novochok, Russian bounties, false flags—all psyops.
Posted by: Rob | Jan 20 2022 22:56 utc | 44
@ Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 20 2022 20:24
The renewed interest and the poking at the Donbas boil that has been festering since 2014 is to engineer a conflict that would furnish dead bodies of widows and orphans, these will be used by the US and their poodles of the MSM to whip up the world's public opinion against Russia that will be blamed for the deaths, this in turn will be used to put pressure on the German Government to scrap fully and irrevocably N-2.
Nobody seems to have wised up to the connection, but wait and see, this is exactly what ill happen, he N-2 has to go, failing to abandon it would mean Germany will not be dependent on the US controlling her energy needs, the country's sovereignty will not be under the guidance of the US. Energy for every country is a large part of the country's independence, who controls the energy sources controls the country because energy is not only the essential component of the wealth creation, it's essential for life in general.
Posted by: Baron | Jan 20 2022 23:49 utc | 45
William Gruff @19--
That would be similar to what a particle or depleted uranium dust will do if it lodges inside the body. Gulf War Syndrome is still denied if I recall correctly. But lots of horrific birth defects and cancers inside Iraq.
Posted by: Eric G | Jan 20 2022 22:35 utc | 37
I used to work with RF transmitters, receivers and antennae. We were limited in the amount of time we could spend inside the ring of cell and uW transmitting towers due to the intensity of 'stray' RF that might have been very directional once it was at the point of the antenna/dish but not so much when it came off the waveguide and other conductors.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 21 2022 1:10 utc | 47
Posted by: Eric G | Jan 20 2022 22:35 utc | 37
Also you were aware that the part about power density that you quoted from my post was actually taken straight from b's writeup, right?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 21 2022 1:11 utc | 48
As I noted @daffyDuct | Jan 20 2022 13:56 utc | https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/01/open-thread-2022-06.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02942f945372200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02942f945372200c
Most ‘Havana Syndrome’ Cases Unlikely Caused by Foreign Power, C.I.A. Says
Of nearly 1000 cases a few dozen are "unexplained".
Why now?
"Last year, Congress passed a law compensating victims of Havana syndrome, and giving the government until April to devise a payment plan. It is not clear how the interim findings could affect that process. C.I.A. officials would say only that they were working on implementing the law, that their decisions were not yet due and that they were mindful of congressional intent to support officers reporting symptoms."
Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 21 2022 1:31 utc | 49
The CIA doesn't even beg to come up with nonsense. The people who have believed their lies will keep believing, no matter what.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 21 2022 1:51 utc | 50
karlof1 @45
Absolutely! "Depleted" uranium weapons are pure viciousness. The only way to explain that kind of barbarity is that the US is trying to "salt the earth" and maximize civilian casualties for the long term.
And these bloodthirsty monsters get all in a panic over freakin` crickets! No hyperbole here, they are psychotic freaks plain and simple.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 21 2022 1:54 utc | 51
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 21 2022 1:51 utc | 49
Sure enough in some ways, but not everything originating from the See Eye Ay comes directly to the public as a memorandum with CIA letterhead or the CIA's Twitter account. Most of their propaganda is slyly embedded in media, social media, and of course the big newspapers (with the consolidation of papers and print mills doing most of the work now, one CIA agent embed can monitor several city papers, just a coincidence?) or even in Hollywood movies. So for a lot of people, it's not easy to recognize CIA-sourced propaganda when they encounter it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 21 2022 2:26 utc | 53
Regarding Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 21 2022 2:26 utc | 52
I was just speculating about the CIA embedded stooges "monitoring" non-major city papers. In most cases I think they're actually writing and approving the 'wire' and NYT/LAT/WaPo news releases in the first place; if so there's not much to "monitor" I guess.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 21 2022 2:32 utc | 54
I'd be curious to know if the buzzing noises that US diplomats complain of might be due to neurological problems with as yet undiagnosed causes, possibly something in their workplaces or in the embassy buildings, or the medications and vaccinations they must have before going abroad. If families of US diplomats are complaining of noises as well, then the possibility that medications could be causing neurological problems should be considered.
Posted by: Jen | Jan 21 2022 2:36 utc | 55
Does that mean that the Cuban crickets were maybe trained to chirp in Russian?
No, no, no. You've got the wrong end of the stick. The cicadas were chirping in cidada language not Russian. Cicadas can't chirp in Russian. But those cicadas were trained Russian operatives. Look carefully at that photo - you see that tiny little dome on its back just behind its head? Behind that dome is a nano-camera, and a laser microphone that picks up sound when directed at a glass window. Ergo, these cicadas are Russian spies. They are trained to fly into trees near the target window and face towards the window. Everything else is controlled remotely. When there is no air-con and no glass, they just fly in through the window and land on the wall. By pointing the laser at a glass on the table, all sounds can be picked up perfectly. It works best when the glass is one-quarter filled with northern Louisiana Bourbon, but any drink gets at least moderate results. It is also beneficial to have some cuban cigar smoke in the room, which uniquely clarifies the glass vibrations picked up by the laser from extraneous vibrations - that is why the cicadas were always most heavily used in Cuba. The cicada has a high-powered nano-computer embedded in its abdomen which processes and encrypts the images from the camera and the sounds recorded by the laser, while the cicada's antennae are used to transmit the encrypted signal back to the Russian controller.
Posted by: BM | Jan 21 2022 3:19 utc | 56
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 20 2022 16:03 utc | 3
Wow! That means Hitler must really have been English, masquerading as Austrian. No wonder he was so close the the English royal family.
Posted by: BM | Jan 21 2022 3:24 utc | 57
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/for-15-years-sweden-thought-enemy-submarines-were-invading-its-territory-it-turned-out-to-be-herring-farts/
Posted by: LeaNder | Jan 20 2022 17:57 utc | 17
Look, those herrings are also Russian spies. Those cunning Ruskies have trained entire fleets of herring assets to fart in such a way to disguise their most secret herring-fart submarines, which make a similar sound.
Posted by: BM | Jan 21 2022 3:34 utc | 58
OT, but current;
If "Freudian slips" are a reality, this one is very revealing;
https://news.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnell-says-black-people-141822060.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 21 2022 3:38 utc | 59
It's obvious what confused the Americans - crickets & cicadas sing a very different tune: Terrapin Station. Furthermore, if one examines the situation closely it's actually turtles all the way down.
Posted by: snd | Jan 21 2022 4:26 utc | 60
William Gruff #50
Sadly, I'll drink to that. Psychotic mendacious murderous bastards. And their paper tigers and running dogs are no different.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 21 2022 5:26 utc | 61
"What is done is that the target’s food (or toothbrush, as was the case with Arafat) is “salted” with “hot particles”."
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 20 2022 18:07 utc | 19
Hugo Chavez was a strange case too, as I recall.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 21 2022 5:43 utc | 62
BM
the usians should be grateful they are not chinese spy cicacadas with their quantum computers in 6G..
Posted by: tucenz | Jan 21 2022 6:10 utc | 63
@35 Sid Victor Cattoni Yep, that has been my belief all along: the symptoms are real, they are man-made, and they are caused by equipment installed in the basement of those embassy buildings.
In the room with US Marines on 24-hour guard duty. The one marked "Top Secret"
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 21 2022 6:12 utc | 64
Tom_Q_Collins #30
Sid Victor Cattoni #35
Eric G #37
Tuyzentfloot #40
discuss the effect of a remote radiation source
(It appears that there is in the present case a natural explanation but I continue analysing the alternative of beamweapons)
The dependence of intensity on distance z from an single directed source is
~1/(1+(z/zo)^2)
where zo~pi*Wo^2/L
and the source width is 2Wo and L is the wavelength
Thus the focussing ability depends on the ratio of Wo and L
If the width 2Wo is much larger than the wavelength it is possible to obtain a strong directionality .
One consideration with microwave sounds is that it wouldnt necessarily show up in a sound recording outside the targets head.
But the restriction on using a single source may be lifted.
Using multiple sources in a plane circular geometry it is possible to limit the resulting high intensity to a somewhat cylindrical region around the target with a width of about one wavelength
Note that if a circular distribution of several sources are used, the type of source could be simple sound transducers instead of microwave beams.
(And it turns out that the sound wavelength of a cricket like sound is of the same order as a microwave wavelength of a radar beam)
That method is more compatible with the fact that recordings were made.
Due to the potentially constructive interference of the many individual signals at the center, the intensity at the target inside a building could be high while beyond a distance of one wavelength from the target, the sources would cancel each other.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jan 21 2022 6:24 utc | 65
Jen #54 The Canadians thought it was probably due to spraying the Cubans do for pests. Specifically, "overexposure to cholinesterase inhibitors (a class of neurotoxic pesticide) such as organophosphates (OPs) as a cause of brain injury". Eg. for Zika virus control.
But of course they didn't rule out nefarious activities.
Posted by: Billb | Jan 21 2022 7:56 utc | 66
@LeaNder | Jan 20 2022 17:57 utc | 17
Thanks for this glorious example of fart-checking \o/
Posted by: Francil | Jan 21 2022 9:38 utc | 67
"I have lived through an invasion of the 17-year cicada, and the noise is not to be laughed at."
Bill H. | Jan 20 2022 16:19 utc | 4
By coincidence when I was allowed into the US I worked in Maryland. Wonderful people btw.
And it was the year of the cicadas. Yeah it's loud but a complete non issue. The locals liked it because it was special.
I was just amazed with everything to do with the little buggers.
I see two parallels here. First it yet another example of group psychology, call it what you will. Hysteria? Mob mentality?
A lot of scientists are studying this given Mental Illness 19 issue I can't mention here. It's debatable
Second, the US has been injecting people in the military and foreign services with all sorts of crap with impunity for decades.
Many soldiers were made ill during the Gulf War for example. Given the times I am surprised that wasn't theory on sites like this.
I figured it was possible but now the group hysteria alone seems to explain it.
I inquired about it all and do you know what I got back for an answer?
Crickets.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 21 2022 9:45 utc | 68
I can't stop laughing to be able to read all the comments, however, has anyone noticed that administrating bad policy from top to bottom leads to neurosis?
Perhaps this is the real 'Havana syndrome' for the lower level 'diplomatic' apparatchiks who have risen to their level of incompetence.
Posted by: Paul | Jan 21 2022 10:07 utc | 69
More American bullshit to generate drama and views.
America is a giant Youtube channel.
Posted by: Smith | Jan 21 2022 10:12 utc | 70
Posted by: Billb | Jan 20 2022 18:39 utc | 21 -- "Wow. Blinken actually said.... "And as I said, we’ve got virtually the entire government working on this at the President’s instructions".
That is clear proof, out of that very tighly-pursed lips (*) of Blinkin' Blink'n himself that the ENTIRE US government -- 17 'intelligent' agencies included -- is bloody useless: they can't even identify crickets !!!
(*) tightly-pursed, because in his attempt
to look like a serious man, a thinking man,
an important international diplomat, a man
bearing the burden of his nation's problems
on his scrawny shoulders, he needs to
always look grim, except that he manages
only to look PISSED OFF all the time. LOL
Posted by: kiwiklown | Jan 21 2022 10:41 utc | 71
This story has been covered by Lobster.org (a great site), and he suggests the cause might be the use of multiple phones & other devices emitting electromagnetism. Embassy staff & diplomats probably carry 5-6 phones with them...
Posted by: Gaucho Extatico | Jan 21 2022 10:47 utc | 72
Posted by: Paul | Jan 21 2022 10:07 utc | 67 -- ".... has anyone noticed that administrating bad policy from top to bottom leads to neurosis? Perhaps this is the real 'Havana syndrome' for the lower level 'diplomatic' apparatchiks who have risen to their level of incompetence."
Neurosis is a plausible cause. People who live in fight-or-flight, fear-filled, highly-anxious state, tasked with duties that conflict with their personal moral codes, can be worn down over time. US diplomats are in that category.
I had also conjectured that, with so many complainers in so many far-flung embassies, that they were possibly psychosomatic in the first place, as so many Americans are, or even malingerers planning to extract a lifetime of disability pensions from their super-super-woke employer.
Posted by: kiwiklown | Jan 21 2022 11:10 utc | 73
Posted by kiwiklown @ 71
A similar neurosis to the 'Stockholm syndrome' made famous by UK [Sir] William Sargent, author of 'Battle for the Mind.'
Expert witness at the trial of Patty Hearst.
As a matter of interest; I notice the NZ and Australian MSM keep endlessly running the same boring repeat story about tough guy Biden 'warning' Russia., for a whole week. As if.
I refer to an earlier comment by karlof1 with a link to Glen Diesen.
Posted by: Paul | Jan 21 2022 12:00 utc | 74
MATT DRUDGE * * OF THE DRUDGE REPORT * * Silent
Which is funny because he was all over it when it was reported as a sonic or microwave attack and he is kind of the U.S. version of MoA. He pioneered alternative press in the U.S.
BTW I'm not going to be harsh on Drudge. He covers stories that interest him and tend to be sensationalistic. He is basically, low octane, especially compared to MoA.
Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 21 2022 14:22 utc | 75
LeaNder @ 17:
Well, the USnato propagandists are at it again. But this time it’s not subs, it’s drones.
They tried subs again a few years ago they even presented photo evidence. One photo published in Dagens Nyheter (our ‘paper of record’) turned out to be a sunken rowboat in shallow water. Which the journalists on the story might have noticed had he accidentally looked at the picture. A very conclusive film showing a sub surfacing right in the middle of Stockholm turned out to be a late 19th century small steamship with a chimney on the roof.
So since the subs sunk again bring on the drones! They are super scary, painted black flying over our top secret nuclear power plants at night (built in the seventies, bet Putin hasn’t got pictures of them already, at least not taken in the dark …). And a few weeks ago police suspect four of them were closing in on Stockholm at the same time! (Radar records? Sorry, we don’t use that technology in Sweden.)
Then there was this dane the other day that was a drone operator himself, and could tell that it was a fairly large drone, probably military type. He even took a photo of it. I must say that’s some drone spotting, since the picture shows a very faint white dot, looking a bit like Venus.
(I don’t mean to be rude to danes or anything, but the fact that it was white tells me it probably wasn’t a Russian drone secretly flying over the capital with its LIGHTS ON, it probably was a Cessna heading for Bromma Airport.)
Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Jan 21 2022 16:52 utc | 76
@ Paul | Jan 21 2022 10:07 utc
they were possibly psychosomatic in the first place, as so many Americans are, or even malingerers
Just to be technical "psychosomatic illnesses" are real. It is just that the causes are not usually a nasty bacteria or virus.
Malingering is quite another thing.
Posted by: jrkrideau | Jan 21 2022 17:09 utc | 77
At first I felt b's post was a distraction, but I would widen its message to include all efforts at mind control that we have been subjected to these last several years (and before if one still devoted time to mainstream media, which I have not done.) When the main message is not one that can be believed, especially for those of us who take other paths searching out international information in particular - the main source of information is the diversity of individual comments we find on the internet.
It has struck me that the 'tone' is very different depending on the site visited, not only from the main controller of the site, but also from contributers. We are all very susceptible to the 'crickets', even when we disagree with them.
I will simply add, not off topic completely, that my thought on what will happen soon, as a speculation, would be (as I dismantle my Christmas gate star, it being the Friday after Theophany, the Great Blessing of the Waters of the World) that a greater Kazakhstan experience may be in the works for Ukraine.
Either that, or Kazakhstan was it and we just tried to pretend it wasn't.
Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2022 17:12 utc | 78
@69 Blinkers did manage a little smile when he met Lavrov the other day. He even shook hands with the man! Probably going to need some counselling when he gets home.
Posted by: dh | Jan 21 2022 17:24 utc | 79
@ 76 juliania... interesting speculation.. while you are speculating - any thoughts on where grieved went to? no jackrabbit and no grieved anymore perhaps?
Posted by: james | Jan 21 2022 17:34 utc | 80
When speculating over the real cause for the "Havana Syndrome" (we know it isn't secret Soviet mind rays), it is useful to keep in mind the nature of the "victims".
These are people (utoob) who treat "generalized anxiety disorder" and "impostor syndrome" as positive character traits. Rather than being ashamed of these psychological weaknesses and emotional (self-inflicted) damages, they are proud of them. These people likely have a bulleted list of their mental disorders on their résumés under "Achievements". Their minds are cooked to begin with so descent into the madness of mass hysteria is a short trip. Furthermore, in America's current environment if you don't humor these damaged individuals and thus enable their delusional freak-outs then you are white supremacist and a super bad person.
Sure, some of the "vaccines" that are forced on military and intelligence personnel cause tinnitus and/or migraines, and doubtless the CIA tests nonlethal directed energy weapons on its own people without their knowledge, but that's been the case for a long time. "Havana Syndrome" is a mass psychogenic disorder nonetheless. It is nothing more than a bunch of delusional fruits who grew up in sheltered and padded middle class bubbles and who are true believers in Putin's villainy, among other nonsense "scary other" narratives. Their entire background is one big "safe zone". To say they are thin-skinned is gross understatement, and this profound fragility is why they equate "microaggressions" to genocide (really, they do!). Push them ever so slightly out of their comfort zones and they fall apart. The culture shock of being assigned to a post in Vienna (or god-forbid Havana!) is overkill to wreck these emotional infants' equilibrium.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 21 2022 18:34 utc | 81
N-2 has to go
Posted by: Baron | Jan 20 2022 23:49 utc | 45
Who has to go? cups ear
Careful with those words, they're dangerous.
Posted by: Misotheist | Jan 21 2022 19:05 utc | 82
Posted by: LeaNder | Jan 20 2022 17:57 utc | 17
"Herringfart" sounds like a monstrous character from Sagas or "Spokesman of Swedish Navy, Major Herringfart ...". BTW, Swedes even found a sunken Russian submarine in their waters, it was wrecked in 1915.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 21 2022 19:17 utc | 83
james @ 80 - no thoughts on friends' disappearances, but perhaps like China, their thoughts turning to Chinese New Year and a respite while adjustments in diplomacy slowly manifest.
I noted from Paco's link at the Week in Review thread that for the US foreign policy delegation it was necessary to have a translation of Lavrov's opening remarks while for Blinken's response no phrase by phrase translation was needed. And indeed, Blinken even referred quite familiarly to 'Sergei' at one point, even though he'd begun by rapidly reciting the mantra 'Russian aggression against Ukraine'.
Karlov1 provided a link in the Week thread to Lavrov's presser after the meeting, (thanks karlov1!), where Lavrov contrasts 'spheres of influence'(colonial) with the 'security obligations' for individual nations he had earlier mentioned. The emphasis for Russia being that, as demonstrated in Kazakhstan's case, those coming to her aid gave assistance and then departed. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that did seem to be a new way of sharing the defense burden without using the need as an excuse to outstay one's welcome.
Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2022 20:11 utc | 84
All the logical evidence seems to indicate that the Havana Syndrome is being caused by US embassy personnel desperately trying to make coherent sense of American foreign policies which are making them sick and driving them insane.
Posted by: pt | Jan 22 2022 0:18 utc | 85
Breaking. Today a civil war started in Canada and the US. Ask Karlos
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 22 2022 7:10 utc | 86
Sadly, I'm afraid most of my friends will not consider this (if they even hear about it) an official debunking. They will point to the smaller number of remaining "unresolved" cases and say "see!"
Posted by: Charles Peterson | Jan 22 2022 17:07 utc | 87
As it's well known, if the CIA says it, it must be wrong. By that logic, the Russians really have devised some method of driving the CIA nuts.
Posted by: Peter VE | Jan 22 2022 19:06 utc | 88
@ james | Jan 21 2022 17:34 ut
My view is that either jackrabbit is suffering from an illness that prevents him from posting or he had the infamous knock on the door requesting his silence. Probably the former.
With Grieved, those two possibilities remain, but also, remember, Grieved is a dharma practitioner. This means that whatever he/she may be experiencing, progress is being made toward the two benefits of sentient beings. It is possible that a retreat is underway, although unplanned, for her honesty would have informed us of this retreat. While I had disagreement with her dissent re the need for vaccines for the vulnerable, I have no doubt that her desire was to benefit us all with better information.
As a footnote, I have used the signature ~~ on social media for many years in postings as a breather between written thoughts, years b4 starting to post at MOA. When I started posting here, I dropped that signature as I saw Grieved used it as a signature in his posts.
I recently started using it again as a reminder that Grieved is still among us with all his strength of spirit despite his seeming absence.
I apologize for not being more conversational with you re this and that.
Posted by: suzan | Jan 23 2022 2:41 utc | 89
@ juliania | Jan 21 2022 20:11 utc | 84.. thanks juliania..
@suzan | Jan 23 2022 2:41 utc | 89... thanks suzan... i agree with you on grieved and thank you for the additional thoughts - all good my friend!
Posted by: james | Jan 23 2022 16:08 utc | 90
I thought that the CIA had fessed up to the symptoms being the likely side-effect of some of their bugs that encoded microphone inputs as modifications in the response of microwave energy (1-2 GHz range) that was was broadcast into the target area. Looks like someone found a more useful lie to account for the symptoms.
Posted by: Mike-SMO | Jan 27 2022 7:21 utc | 91
The comments to this entry are closed.
The reason why US was so fast and persistent in accusing others of microwaving people is because they are doing it themselves and have been doing so for years.
At least six leftist Latin American presidents, Hugo Chaves most notably, died from similar cancer forms. That's hardly a coincidence.
Posted by: mikhas | Jan 20 2022 15:40 utc | 1