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January 05, 2022

China's Excellent, Very Good Year

2021 was China's best year. Ever.

by Godfree Roberts*

Amidst global gloom, 2021 was the best year in modern Chinese history. Here’s what they accomplished:

  • Eliminated extreme poverty.
  • Reached 96% home ownership.
  • Kept Covid death rate at 0.6% of America’s.

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  • Grew the economy $2 trillion PPP, the fastest growth ever.
  • Became the richest country on earth.
  • Became the world’s biggest overseas investor.
  • Became the world’s largest movie market.
  • Produced nearly one new billionaire and 300 millionaires every workday.
  • Completed new train lines in seven countries, including Laos’ first.
  • Ran 15,000 cargo trains to and from Europe, up 30% YoY.
  • Joined RCEP trade pact, with 30% of global GDP and of the world’s population.
  • Sold $140 billion retail online in 24 hours (Amazon’s record is $5 billion).
  • Launched the first central bank digital currency.
  • Dominated scientific research and issued the most patents of any country.

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  • Built three exascale computers that won the Gordon Bell prize for high performance computing.
  • Built a programmable quantum computer 10,000x faster than Google’s Sycamore.
  • Operated the first integrated, 3,000-mile, commercial, quantum communications network.
  • Brought online two gas-cooled Pebble Bed nuclear power plants.
  • Fired up two thorium-fueled reactors, eliminating uranium from power generation.
  • Released a Covid treatment that reduces hospitalizations and deaths 78%.
  • Made 55% of global energy savings.
  • Generated 1 terawatt of renewable energy.
  • Installed one-million 5G base stations, giving Tibet better 5G service than New York.
  • Communicated between satellites via lasers, 1,000x faster than radio waves.
  • Operated the world’s most powerful solid rocket engine, with 500 tonnes thrust.
  • Flew three hypersonic missiles around the planet.
  • Released a fractional orbital bombardment missile from another missile at 17,000 mph.
  • Simultaneously commissioned three warships, becoming the world’s biggest navy.

Expect China to maintain this pace through 2022 by launching, among other things, the first, greenfield, automated, 21st century city for six million knowledge workers. With 70% woods and lakes, the loudest sound will be birdsongs.

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* Godfree Roberts wrote Why China Leads the World: Talent at the Top, Data in the Middle, Democracy at the Bottom and publishes the newsletter Here Comes China.

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y @134--

In case you missed it, here's the link you asked for.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 18:21 utc | 101

Posted by: john | Jan 5 2022 18:00 utc | 129

Yes, but, developing a stronger domestic economy to weather US/Western economic attacks is one of China's current objectives, similar to Russia, Iran and any other sane country. That Bloomberg turns it into a negative is hardly surprising. I linked to Bloomberg, as an MSM piece to challenge the empty assertion by a certain poster.

I am not a great fan of overly large megacities despite living in Istanbul. But that is the trend in the developed/developing world everywhere and has been for some time.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 5 2022 18:23 utc | 102

y | Jan 5 2022 18:07 utc

the military seems to be less relevant, and I don't know if they have something comparable to the US-west MIC. I guess it's a big difference with the west, but I've to invest a little more time I have not now

Well, they're apparently think-tanking the possibility of military projection to oversee their more distant investments.

Posted by: john | Jan 5 2022 18:28 utc | 103

Literally just two days ago you ran a post about the potential dangers of 5G to aircraft, and now you're citing widespread use of 5G as a win for China?

Also, 'first central bank digital currency' isn't a good thing.

Posted by: Ben | Jan 5 2022 18:30 utc | 104

its US History as its 19th Century industrial takeoff was mimicked by China, although China refused to allow its public financial utility to be privatized unlike the USA which is why Neoliberalism was able to gain its purchase and eventually ruin the USA's industrial and societal capacity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 17:16 utc | 109

Quite.

That tells me attempts at equity aren't working at all well, which as we've discussed is an indicator of potential societal unease and is something China's government has striven to avoid.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 17:53 utc | 126

Very true, it is a difficult balance and a challenge they're trying to tiptoe on the stage in front of everybody now. People need to be incentivized yet on the other hand disproportionate inequality must be kept in check.... Will it succeed? At what cost? /sarc

The ones that made it are emigrating to hold on to their disproportionate (but not necessarily illegal) wealth. Some stagnating middle class are also emigrating once they've decided they may be more competitive in another economy. They are economic migrants, pure and simple.

BS human rights concerns and political prosecutions is just a cover to grease their visa approvals, and the west is too happy to oblige to give China a black eye.

For every one that leaves, there's a queue of talent to replace them. One thing China isn't short of is people.

The Chinese system work for China now. Pure and simple. Is it perfect? Hell no. Can it be translated wholesale to other countries, probably not. Are they exporting their system? No. Can they keep it centred around the benefit of the many? I hope so. Will it continue to work for them into the future? Who knows. Should they apologize to NK? Nope.

Each culture needs to fugue out its own way. What we have is the west got caught napping on while China picked the best traits from many system for its own policies. Some are not necessarily complementary and we're seeing the teething issues now.

I couldn't be bothered to find the reference but the huawei CEO said Hauwei will survive and prosper because IT IS largely modeled on USA and capitalism (except its shares are entirely employee owned) and it will adapt.

An organism that doesn't evolve and adapt is doomed to extinct. We'll see more changes, mistakes and fine tuning as time goes on.


Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 18:39 utc | 105

Ben @140--

I noted China's 5G network and its clear non-conflict with airplanes during that discussion which was answered by the fact that China uses a much lower frequency level for its 5G towers/system that poses none of the potential dangers b provided. Furthermore, there's no evidence pro or con about digital currency whether issued by a central bank or elsewhere. Chinese have very widely and in large volumes used digital methods of payment for several years now, and making the yuan digital merely streamlines the overall system. Unmentioned by Roberts is the level of confidence Chinese have in their government and institutions, like the People's Central Bank, which for propagandized Westerners seems astonishing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 18:44 utc | 106

Long-time lurker here. Just wanted to share a relevant article that embodies Niall K’s very public crisis.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/05/lowering-the-throne-of-americas-delusion/

Posted by: DystopianEsq | Jan 5 2022 18:46 utc | 107

thanks b.... you have a big mess to clean up with this poster Niall K.... once that has been done, the thread will return to normal... if that is a professional troll, i guess they are getting paid by the post here.. not a very good troll either way.. i like my norwegian trolls better, lol...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2022 18:51 utc | 108

A.L. @144--

Thanks for your reply!

I see the doll has failed to address the infographic I linked to @109. That it ignores the larger realities of what's clearly a failing Outlaw US Empire speaks volumes. I very much doubt it will admit to the fact that the Outlaw US Empire is geoeconomically dependent on China and is unable to reverse that fact because of its capture by Neoliberals. The Pentagon even admits to that dependency which is one of the reasons why General Hyten and his mates seek to avoid conflict with China. Indeed, none of the Outlaw US Empire's military wants to engage in warfare with either Russia, China, or both simultaneously, which is a major message in and of itself that BigLie Media refuses to report.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 18:56 utc | 109

"The answer is simple - the law of diminishing returns. There are diminishing returns in the West, because many things have already being built. There are enough cities, enough roads, enough railroads, enough infrastructure, enough people with internet...." - Passer by @123

Passer by, would you please clarify whether "the law of diminishing returns" that you invoke refers to the concept in economics of diminishing marginal productivity?

Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2022 18:58 utc | 110

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 18:44 utc | 147
Yes this. As the population reap the fruit of the party long term plans they grow confident and loyal to the party policies which in turn make the party felt more confident of their larger diaspora of population easing them for more feedback and response on a more day to day basis.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 5 2022 18:59 utc | 111

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2022 12:15 utc | 12:

you missed one of the most exciting developments, average life expectancy in China is now longer than in the US Life Expectancy in China surpasses US.

Can't fault neither b nor Godfree Roberts on this miss. This statistic was just revealed a week or so ago while Roberts' book was developed earlier in the year. Also, a crucial factor in China's life expectancy exceeding America's was the pandemic casualties being so much higher in USA than China (I believe China may not have any death due to Covid in 2021).

But looking at the trends in waistline and diet preferences between these two nations, I am quite confident this statistic will continue to tip in China's favor for a while to come :-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 5 2022 19:01 utc | 112

Niall K, glow little glow worm, glimmer glimmer.
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China is not manufacturing billionaires and alleviating poverty at the same time. it's a contradiction. one of those is crap. anyone that boasts about creating billionaires as a sign of economic health will unavoidably misread a great many other things. mostly in the fond delusion of the promise of a George Jetson future built on flame-broiled whoppers of nuclear piles of bs.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 5 2022 19:10 utc | 113

For some reason :), I just searched the MoA website for "Niall K." and got six pages of results, all from today! Is this a new record? (Or as JR would say!!)

Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2022 19:15 utc | 114

@98 Don Bacon

I wonder if the regard the Chinese have for their leaders is a trait of the people (respect leadership) or the system (tends to elevate highly evolved people) or the leaders themselves (are highly evolved people).

Of course it may be all three interleaved effects, but I wonder if one of the traits led to the others.

====== separately, a question directed toward all....

Niall K raised a good point when he asked (my paraphrase) "do you think you could conduct this conversation - among you MoA barflies - if China was the object of the majority of criticism, and we were all in China?"

Do you think we really could have that conversation? I'm not sure it'd be safe to do so. Is there anyone among the barflies who's got good info on this?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jan 5 2022 19:16 utc | 115

Yes, China vaccinated most of its people, but it doesn't stop the virus. That's why they are still shutting down their mega cities.

Posted by: Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 19:02 utc | 157

No covid vaccines right now can stop the virus. Not the western ones, not Russian, not Chinese. It's conclusively proven with omicron. Don't project that like it's only happening to the Chinese vaccine. That's the mark of a weak argument, but then we weren't expecting much either.

What it does is stop people from severe illness as it allows the immune system to spin up sooner and better from cross reactivity.

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 19:18 utc | 116

This Niall Kunt is a real hoot. How many times has he/she/it/ written 'bye' and yet come back again?

he/she/it/ has piqued my curiosity with the allegation of the near collapse of the 3 Gorges. Can someone else inform us about what actually happened?

Posted by: tucenz | Jan 5 2022 19:21 utc | 117

I will better the instruction - Shylock

Because Americans are in such a state of profound denial about their country, they can't connect the Indian Wars with Iraq, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Haiti, Iran, etc., etc. They can't see that the Indian Wars never stopped and so they are unfathomably gullible about US foreign policy but more so easily distracted by their sparkly techno-baubles. ditto slavery, wiping out the buffalo, etc.

In the exact same way, people who have not reflected on what industrialization has done to the earth are easily distracted by fairy tales of a bright future, precisely because what has been lost doesn't mean a goddam thing to them. a billion fish died in June off the US Pacific coast. But look! China's got 5G!

keep looking at that made in China Christmas tree and maybe Santa will show up one day.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 5 2022 19:22 utc | 118

@pretzelattack | Jan 5 2022 18:03 utc | 132

i've never seen such an annoying troll on MOA, and rarely anywhere else.

It is an attack dog designed to legitimize censorship.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2022 19:24 utc | 119

"People living longer is a huge problem!"

Nice to see that the Chinese have different priorities than idiots like this!

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 19:25 utc | 120

Michigan is doomed. Dams collapse left and right:

Dam collapse Michigan
The reservoir behind the dam known as Wixom Lake has a maximum capacity of 81M. ... m3. It collapsed in May 2020 amid heavy rainfall, causing the downstream Sanford Dam on the Tittabawassee River to overtop, leading to major flooding.

Thousands fled for their lives when two Michigan dams collapsed. More disasters are coming, experts say.
Aging dams around the country weren’t built for today’s weather. Without a major investment in repairs, thousands of people’s homes — and lives — could be in danger.
Image
Floodwaters fill the main street in Sanford, Mich., on May 20, 2020.Gregory Shamus / Getty Images file
June 13, 2020, 5:08 AM EDT / Updated June 14, 2020, 10:12 AM EDT
By Erin Einhorn
SANFORD, Michigan — When the first dam collapsed, a massive surge of water roared so swiftly into Mike Gorthy’s lakefront home that he returned from securing his boats outside to discover water above the light switches on his first floor....

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There was also a major dam failure in California, Oroville Dam.

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Needless to say, engineering and maintenance of rural dam projects is deficient here and there, same happens to bridges etc. Something like that did not spell doom of USA, and neither will for China. The story is very different with key dams, like the cascades on Colorado and Columbia rivers, or Three Gorges Dam.

Anyway, Niall K may be a victim of Epoch Times overdose, I have seen other cases before.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 5 2022 19:29 utc | 121

Niall K raised a good point when he asked (my paraphrase) "do you think you could conduct this conversation - among you MoA barflies - if China was the object of the majority of criticism, and we were all in China?"

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jan 5 2022 19:16 utc | 163

Nope in China it'll probably be shut down because its so full of false information from NK it's value as a discussion is far outweighted by the harm it'll do to a casual reader and dumb search engines.

Individualism, freedom and fairness are three very different things, often opposing, requiring fine balancing. Though we wish readers are smart enough to make that judgement themselves it's beyond doubt that it isn't so (just look at USA).

Blind faith on ANY idealism only makes one a zealot, incapable of taking in and processing alternate views and facts. But it sure makes them feel important....

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 19:30 utc | 122

Last year I linked to and discussed this article about China's plan to use satellites to collect then distribute solar power from space to earth. This article tells us:

"Russian Space Systems, a subsidiary of the Russian state company Roscosmos, has developed a project of an advanced space power plant capable of gathering solar energy and transmitting it to Earth."

This new development leads me to suspect a much earlier launch date for a joint China/Russia project than the 2050 stated in the initial article. This development should be seen as complementary to the ongoing efforts at fusion by China/Russia that I provided info about a few days ago. Additionally, this info also gives insight into the abilities of Russia's laser systems. Of course, neither NASA, ESA, or JSA have any such plans or capabilities.

IMO, it's time to realize that in both geopolitical and geoeconomic terms China & Russia are now a tag-team that at some future point might actually merge into a Union-like pact that might include some or all SCO members. It's that very plausible development that has the trolls's employers's knickers all twisted into knots they're incapable of unraveling.

Putin has always stated he isn't interested in reconstituting the USSR. But he has often said he's in favor of an Eurasian Economic Union. Such a Union IMO would be far stronger and more powerful than the USSR ever was or could become since it had to support too many unproductive political-economies. And it's that possibility and potential powering the West's hysteria we saw so amply displayed here today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 19:32 utc | 123

@NK 116
65 million empty homes! real estate market is on the verge of collapse

empty homes & population

China-- 65 million empty homes
US -- 17 million empty homes
3.8:1 ratio

China population 1.4 billion
US population 330 million
4.2:1 ratio

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 5 2022 19:33 utc | 124

Niall K... an expert on everything, lol.... you've definitely brought some temporary humour here!

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2022 19:34 utc | 125

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jan 5 2022 19:16 utc | 163 RE:

"Niall K raised a good point when he asked (my paraphrase) "do you think you could conduct this conversation - among you MoA barflies - if China was the object of the majority of criticism, and we were all in China?"

Do you think we really could have that conversation? I'm not sure it'd be safe to do so. Is there anyone among the barflies who's got good info on this?"

Apparently the Chinese have fewer people in prison than the US, despite having about four times the population. As for censorship in general, I don't think western countries have the high ground there either tbh. People losing their jobs because of 'problematic' opinions or voting habits is quite common these days is it not? At least the Chinese don't let social media companies act as arbiters of veracity.

Posted by: MarkU | Jan 5 2022 19:35 utc | 126

b, with this many trolls i regret you haven't an ignore button.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 5 2022 19:40 utc | 127

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2022 19:34 utc | 176

Me too I'm loving it. Seriously this dude's talent is wasted here. Epoch times is missing out.

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 19:41 utc | 128

It's time to bring out the dictionary again to destroy the doll.

Immunity: "In biology, immunity is the capability of multicellular organisms to resist harmful microorganisms." [My Emphasis]

Thus, immunity does NOT mean invincibility--the ability to never become infected.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 19:41 utc | 129

Posted by: ptb | Jan 5 2022 18:14 utc | 135

Wow, you have to respect this dude's enthusiasm...

No, you really don't.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 5 2022 19:44 utc | 130

Posted by: Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 19:43 utc | 186

Please, no country can claim to have suppressed the virus as of today. This does not mean China's policy has "failed", relative to whose? Indeed, China has suffered a mere 2 deaths attributable to COVID in 2021. Maybe, in 2022 China will be less successful than it was in 2021, but frankly it seems to be competing only with itself on this issue.

There are still a lot of container ships laden with Chinese goods coming through the Bosphorus. True, they are having difficulty getting through LA.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 5 2022 19:54 utc | 131

Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 19:43 utc | 186
Their strategy has failed.

lol. mostly people around here just ignore China's mind-blowing success against the coronavirus in order to support their fantasies about taking horse pills or whatever.

there's not any question China's strategy works.

the question is, why are they willing to sacrifice those health gains in order to do something really, really stupid and unnecessary, like host the Olympic Games?

nationalism. at the national level, the same thing motivating the country's covid strategy. the leadership knows they must maintain unanimity against the virus, to have a hope of surviving the forces working for their destruction. but they have shown they are willing to sacrifice those gains, for something that doesn't even exist: national honor.

pretty sure nations developing hypersonic weapons and selling military tech to their neighbors will not solve a thing. it only increases the competition.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 5 2022 19:59 utc | 132

China can't suppress the virus. Their strategy has failed.

Posted by: Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 19:43 utc | 186

How has it failed? It was able to keep the death toll to an insignificant number and the economy humming and growing when pretty much everyone else has low to negative growth.

Going forward things might be different and the strategy might require a shift to another paradigm (e.g. Omicron as a "natural" vaccine). But failed it has not and is probably furthest thing from the facts.

Perhaps success in your book means millions dead and the country shuts down with an imploded economy?

Sheesh, my bar for you was pretty low to start with, but this.... Did you come here on the short bus?

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 20:01 utc | 133

"It is an attack dog designed to legitimize censorship."
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2022 19:24 utc | 167
Yeah!

"i like my norwegian trolls better, lol..."
Posted by: james | Jan 5 2022 18:51 utc | 151
gawd james, I just wrote to karlof1 about that on the
Slow News Day thread but I trust no problem, so lol too.

Actually I have to admit I've never experienced anything like this Niall thing. Amazing!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 5 2022 20:03 utc | 134

Thanks to Dystopian Esq for a well constructed Consortium News essay - I post the portion that said very well why China is succeeding when compared with the US right now:

"...U.S. engagements in the world over the past 20 years reveal a grim record of failed ventures. Most have been caused by unrealistic goals, blinkered views of the field of action, overweening pride, an ignorance of foreign places and their history, and an unseemly readiness to take complacent comfort in fantasy worlds that exist only in its own imagination. In short, American foreign policy has been misguided – badly and consistently misguided.

The inevitable frustrations and failures owe equally to sheer incompetence. An endless string of errors – diplomatic, military and political – is as difficult for the nation to reconcile with its ‘can-do’ self-image as is the admission of the glaring discrepancy between the belief in the country’s providential mission and its increasingly evident ordinariness..."

I've bolded the word 'engagements' as I think that is the key to China's success. And the comparison is apt (though I'll discourse further in another post as this one is long enough.)

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2022 20:05 utc | 135

On the question of having a conversation questioning Chinese policies. Such conversations happen continually and are part of China's overall governing process--a very important component ignored by most western democratic processes, especially within the Outlaw US Empire where its omission's been empirically proven by many different studies. I took the time last October to link to and translate several published discussions and republish them to my VK Space which still remain and have so far garnered just over 1,000 views, which IMO is a great success. China's Chinese language electronic media is vast and dwarfs that within the Outlaw US Empire, while its English language media decries the many episodes of blatant Western censorship--the most penultimate being the persecution and torture of Julian Assange and continual operation of the torture camp at Guantanamo Bay in Occupied Cuba.

As we've seen with Assange's ordeal and through evidence supplied by John Cleary, there's no real State of Law existing in the Anglo World. In reality, there's Whim and Power of the Gun--the "rules based order."

Perhaps the proper challenge given to the doll is for it to provide a lawful reason why the USA is in continual violation of its own constitution via its continual violations of the UN Charter. Let's see if it responds to that challenge and how so if it does.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 20:06 utc | 136

Lets examine the strategy of our new barfly

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@psycho: you're the guy who'd have praised the USSR economy a few decades ago. China's economy and real estate is already in huge trouble, vast ghost cities, major bankruptcies.

Posted by: Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 18:39 utc | 145
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Starts off with a YOU statement and we all know that YOU statements have the rest of your fingers pointing back at you.....so please turn that first statement into an I statement so we know about your feelings instead of your projection about how I would think/feel

Follows with unsubstantiated claims of China's economy and real estate being in huge trouble when, in fact, China's economy is running circles around the rest of the world and the real estate "trouble" is China doing what should be done in the West, manage the world of commerce, by and for the people, instead of the private finance elite like in the West.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2022 20:06 utc | 137

Here is the signature to Dystopian Esq's posted link:

Posted by: DystopianEsq | Jan 5 2022 18:46 utc | 148

My further comment would be that I agree with most of the post, until the point where he rather condemns the US 'traditions'. I would point out that successful nations such as China and Russia are using many of the 'novel' precepts brought to the world by American founders. The US has certainly lost its way, but in my view it has many good and moral traditions on which to base its own renewal.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2022 20:14 utc | 138

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Jan 5 2022 12:56 utc | 19

"The day that Winnie The Pooh is allowed again in China will be the day I can start seeing them in a more positive light".

You'll be happy to know that Winnie the Pooh isn't banned in China. You can buy Winnie the Pooh merchandise. This rumour was started because China only screens 34 foreign films in cinemas a year, and Christopher Robin 2 was not chosen as one of those films (nor was the first, actually, and that precedes claims of a ban).

If you believe the Winnie the Pooh thing, you probably believe in "organ harvesting" and "Uyghur genocide". I feel sorry for you. Completely brainwashed.

Posted by: Jake the Snake | Jan 5 2022 20:21 utc | 139

tucenz @165

There was once-in-a-hundred-years precipitation upriver from the Three Gorges Dam back in May of 2020. That was relatively unusual, but well within the dam's design limits. Nowhere near the dam's limits, in fact. Some Chinese nerds got excited about it and did precise measurements and discovered that the dam was distorted by a few millimetres. This made for some Chinese language clickbait. That clickbait got picked up by Sinophobes whose brains were too small to understand the scales being discussed, so they went on Google Earth to see the distortion for themselves. I shit thee not, these idiots thought they could see a couple millimetre bulge across a dam over a mile long in satellite imagery! And guess what? They did see a bulge! Oddly, the bulge was also in roadways and power lines and other features nearby in the satellite imagery. That is because there was a "stitching error" in the imagery that you see all the time in Google Earth if you zoom in too far. Google Earth doesn't always line images up perfectly when it composites individual images into a larger view, and that leaves jaggies and bends in what are actually straight lines.

In any case, the Sinophobe idiots see a hundred foot bend in the Google Earth imagery of the Three Gorges dam, and rather than reaching the intelligent conclusion that the imagery was warped they assumed that the dam was getting ready to fail and the ChiComms were covering it up, because the Sinophobes are stupid and primed for making stupid assumptions.

It is the standard Barfingcat living room sofa investigation that western retards like to take seriously. I mean, you can get an airline ticket and fly to Hubei, China and check out this supposed huge bulge in the dam yourself, but why do that when you can dick around with Google Earth for a few minutes and just make up stories about compression artifacts and stitching errors that you find there?

People in China did hear about the supposed bulge and went to the dam to check it out, but it was a big disappointment. You needed sophisticated surveying equipment using lasers to even detect the bulge at all, so there was never anything to see. It was a silly non-story from start to finish.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 20:21 utc | 140

Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 20:20 utc | 197

Bwahahahaaaa

You're like a failed comedian who laughs at his own jokes...

So sad...

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 20:23 utc | 141

time to let people know again of a very useful tool for hiding low signal to noise posters.

step 1, install tampermonkey
step 2, grab the MOA Barfly code at https://pastebin.com/k9ZL7hVS
step 3, add the handle(s) of those who offend.

works very well with Firefox

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 5 2022 20:24 utc | 142

If one Googles "Three Gorges Dam", the search engine instantly throws in "collapse" as a keyword. This suggests of course that the Western MSM has been relentlessly discussing (read: anticipating / expecting) the potential failure of the Three Gorges Dam project ever since it was built. Almost as if Western MSM news outlets had articles already prepared to bray about the failure of the project, and which are all still gathering dust or becoming useless because they are sitting in software or hardware for which the tech support no longer exists and has been forgotten.

So perhaps these articles have to get an airing once in a while so the technology on which they sit can be updated now and again, and call centre clowns must be rallied to squawk about them on sites like MoA.

Funny how Niall K doesn't even offer any links about the imminent collapse of the Three Gorges Dam, and the other links he posts about dam collapses in other parts of China, in areas experiencing 1-in-100-years flooding after unusually heavy rains, lack context about the usual amounts of precipitation these areas get or whether these dams are current or old dams no longer in use.

Also Niall K's championing of Sweden as having done better in its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to other European nations is just a series of hot-air statements without any supporting evidence.

Perhaps if Niall K didn't rush the MoA comments forum with so many superficial diversionary comments and actually tried to defend his comments, we might respect him as a better, more sophisticated class of troll of the type that used to visit here sometimes - Lord knows some of us MoA barflies are keen to sharpen our teeth on much finer grades of call centre clowning - but then, maybe the template being handed down to new call centre trainees is not what it used to be. Even troll-training programs at GCHQ or its subsidiaries are probably having their budgets cut and more is being demanded of trainees.

British propaganda and its ilk failing on so many fronts ... where did I put my tiny two-fingered violin?

Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2022 20:27 utc | 143

As usual with trolls and dolls, replies are usually fallacious. It behaves as it does because its masters are incapable of embracing a vision that involves sharing instead of trampling all underfoot. It's reminiscent of Chuckie or the Doll from Night Gallery's first season. Unless it rises to the challenge made @193, I'll gladly let it die.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 20:30 utc | 144

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 20:21 utc | 199

Thank you. Well done.

What say you or esteemed epoch contributor at large?

Why don't you start a gofundme and get a real time sat pic to prove us wrong and the dam has burst?

Or are you going to give us more twitter feeds of old vids with misleading texts and titles by someone who replies to their own tweets?

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 20:33 utc | 145

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 16:53 utc | 101:

Your supposition of NK being a brainwashed basement nutcase is less likely than your prior guess of him/her being a troll from Epoch Times. I think him/her is here on a mission, to break the general atmosphere of nascent admiration for China/Russia's success in confronting the Empire here on MOA. Epoch Time is Falon Gong, well-funded by CIA/US Congress.

I personally have no problem with his/her presence though. People do see things and think differently, so having personalities such as NK is inevitable :-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 5 2022 20:34 utc | 146

WOW! This thread is progressing fast. It'll soon be a 500-posts bitching contest :-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jan 5 2022 20:35 utc | 147

I'll just end my little triad with thanks to B -- it is wonderful to hear uplifting news of this sort rather than the doom and carnage that seems to accompany most accomplishments of our western nations - there must be some things we are doing that are worth praise, but it's hard to see what they are, I'd guess some 'flyover' country initiatives on a small scale would be of such nature.(For those who remember my proud post of grandson's orchestral debut, I will just say said grandson is half Chinese, one quarter NZ, and one quarter US.

And when I bolded the word 'engagements' above, I meant to add that the saying is true -- build a better mousetrap and the world will come flocking to your door.

What on earth did our American overlords expect? It's not "You break it; you own it." It never was.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2022 20:37 utc | 148

Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 20:34 utc | 205

Awww don't back paddle now. You categorically said the dam has burst and now you're retreating to showing some cherry picked disaster porn flood pix?

SHOW US THE BURST DAM OR GTFO.

Dams spill when it's at capacity, dam or not with enough rain places will flood.

Weak....

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 20:40 utc | 149

China & covid? Well, they said from day one, it wasn't that bad and they see worse (pneumonic plague for example - try holding that off with a medical mask) all the time. They said the worst thing to do was to panic. They also have no political reason to conflate deaths 'with' covid (~90%) alongside deaths 'from' covid (~10%).

Meanwhile in the real world Kazkhstan is being maidaned by the usual suspects. The US has been pumping in money to 'civil society' groups since easly 2021.

Will it go the Ukraine route or the Belarus route?

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Jan 5 2022 20:48 utc | 150

Posted by: Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 20:46 utc | 210

And I'm close to being the president of USA.

like you're close to proving ANY of your arguments with your fake Chinese twitter channel....

OK I'll lower the bar, just for you. Show us the damaged 3 gorges dam, exactly as you said.

I'll wait....

(bed time here. good night all)

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 5 2022 20:55 utc | 151

I see that Songpinganq, whose tweets Niall K regularly refers, is a very active tweeter and so far the only tweeter posting tweets about aspects of the Xi'an lockdowns, without any context or additional supporting tweets. Instead Songpinganq breathlessly posts tweets and micro-videos in the way Niall K breathlessly links to them.

Songpinganq apparently lives in Sichuan, some considerable distance away from Xian.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2022 20:55 utc | 152

In other words, Actually Existing Socialism is actually pretty good.

It's time to believe -- truly believe -- in the Red future.

Posted by: Prof | Jan 5 2022 20:56 utc | 153

B got a serious problem. Moonofalabama has been targeted by the US Dep.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jan 5 2022 18:07 utc | 133


I think you may be right, i to see the 4chan-glower pattern in his comments.
nk is glowing so bright i needed sunglasses to read some of his comments.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 5 2022 20:57 utc | 154

Oriental Voice @204

You are probably correct.

Falun Gong = Amway crossed with Scientology.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 20:58 utc | 155

Everyone, please do not feed the Niall K., he is so obviously wasting your time by arguing in an extremely disingenuous manner.


Posted by: Roger | Jan 5 2022 21:08 utc | 156

@ Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 20:53 utc | 212 who wrote

"
Launched the first central bank digital currency. => not a good development.
"

I disagree and would challenge you to provide some meat to your fire hose of over arching BS

But back to your claim of China's digital currency not being a good thing. Thank your bosses for the opportunity to refute such drivel.

Humanity has used various mediums of exchange other than barter for thousands of years. China's digital currency not only offers an evolving base for trusted electronic payments but has added an expiration date/time to the digital currency that will keep it from being manipulated in foreign exchange (as much) and not cast digital currency as a long term store of value (which I think is a good thing ).

China's development of a digital currency is starting from the premise of wanting to provide the public a finance utility, where, in the private finance West, the finance utilities are for profit instead of for the public good/commons.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2022 21:12 utc | 157

@ Roger | Jan 5 2022 21:08 utc | 219 who notes that our newbie barfly is operating in an extremely disingenuous manner.

I agree and am trying to take advantage of that fact....use it as an opportunity to show the other side.....an educational counter to their drive by BS

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 5 2022 21:17 utc | 158

Hoyeru @133: "B got a serious problem. Moonofalabama has been targeted by the US Department of Derp."

[fixed]

If the troll is from 4chan then there will be derp.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 21:17 utc | 159

my goodness, Niall made me laugh aloud not just once. thanks. bye

Posted by: mastameta | Jan 5 2022 21:27 utc | 160

If the troll is from 4chan then there will be derp.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2022 21:17 utc | 222

😂
derp can be amusing if it glows.

insert "come on fren, do a terror" meme here.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 5 2022 21:38 utc | 161

William Gruff #23

The delusion in the West is incredibly durable. Some of the Sinophobic posts here are likely being made by American MBAs living in their cars and pooping in plastic bags.

Thank you perfectly expressed.

AND being paid $1 per line for each post but no health benefits included.

Maybe b is being a catalyst in wealth redistribution with this thread ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2022 21:49 utc | 162

In another great news China has signed agreements worth $670 billion with Latin American countries for technology transfers including nuclear power. US officials have called it a takeover!

Posted by: Jason | Jan 5 2022 21:51 utc | 163

A.L. #108
"I do thank you for the entertainment on my otherwise dull day at work."

Well said, thank you for the chuckles at every line.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2022 21:56 utc | 164

Who the hell is this Niall K. character/sock that's decided to ruin the thread with one or two line propagandized ad hominem against China?

Goes to show the level of programming that Americans receive in their daily lives. Even the ones who consider themselves "thinkers" and "skeptics" can't seem to wrap their minds around the facts that the U.S. doesn't have democracy and that even a "totalitarian" (amateur description, the CCP is made up of Chinese people, duh) country can have more actual democracy than one who self-labels as such.

Niall K. needs to do some more reading before polluting this thread anymore. That is, unless it is already banned in good faith for its hijacking attempt.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2022 21:58 utc | 165

Two problems. 1 You seem to believe the official Covid deaths. 2 You believe anything out of China.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 5 2022 21:59 utc | 166

The academia from ZeroHedge are here I see.
If one can't be informed at least one can be entertained.
Remember the rules about feeding.

Posted by: ld | Jan 5 2022 21:59 utc | 167

The "Niall K." is not so much a TROLL, as he/she/it is a SPAMMER, the difference being the number of entries added, with the other measure of SPAMMER being the length of the entries. THIS is the reason he should be banned, not because the comments go against "the narrative" whatever it is that 'b' is trying to promote.

"Conspiracy Theory" does not exist, just narratives along a spectrum, with some being more fanciful than others. Censorship, and calling something "conspiracy" is just one of the weapons (w/ the former invented by the CIA of course) one "narrative" uses to destroy or depreciate another "narrative". Another way is to consolidate all MSM into 6 owners, done by the Beast WJClinton will the sheep grazed and gazed at the Monica Lewinsky Show.

Posted by: Simplicius | Jan 5 2022 22:00 utc | 168

As anticipated, unable to rise to or refute the challenge.

Paco informs us that the CSTO's collective security agreement was invoked and CSTO forces are headed to Kazakhstan to engage the Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion. I speculated that this is an action by a faction that doesn't want to see anything positive come from the upcoming negotiations. Some are asking why wasn't this seen coming. IMO, there are times when the other side needs to be allowed to entrap itself. Why do I think that possible? At the end of December, Putin met with Tajik President Rahmon, then Nursultan Nazarbayev, then Kazakh President Tokayev, and lastly Lukashenko. Then on 3 Jan, Putin again talked with Rahmon. Today, Putin continues his conversation with another important figure from Russia's defense industry, Pavel Sozinov, General Designer of Almaz-Antey. As with the conversation I linked to and briefly excerpted yesterday, the initial focus is on the civilian aspects missile makers contribution. Putin's introduction:

"Pavel Alekseevich, Almaz-Antey does not need additional advertising. Everyone in the world is well aware of the company's products. This is the most reliable weapon in the world and probably the most popular weapon on the world market – air defense systems. This is a universally accepted fact.

"But I would like to start with something completely different – with the peaceful part, with the civilian part, with the civilian products that you have established and plan to increase its production, bearing in mind that in general, the company has been actively consolidating all the opportunities in the sphere that you are engaged in for 20 years, but has also increased them many times over. We'll talk about that today as well."

No special meeting of the Security Council. No hint of anything being a surprise. I suspect this results from the Ukie's attempt to lure the Russian Merc company people into their trap since the same entities appear to be involved on the Ukie side, and it would be easy for them to infiltrate Kazakhstan and set up shop there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 22:05 utc | 169

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 5 2022 21:59 utc | 229

I believe the truth about China and one such truth is that even the poorest and least developed provinces of that country have at least some high speed rail. Why is it that the USA doesn't have a single mile while we're nearing the end to the first quarter of the 21st century?

Why is it that a country with such an enormous population has now surpassed the USA in life expectancy?

Why is it that their STEM accomplishments - verifiable ones - must be lied about and questioned in the West?

Have any of you ZeroHedge anti-china bots ever considered that the reason for the censorship - whether ultimately the right decision or not - is that China is smart enough to see what's happened to other socialist countries when USA misinformation and fake news is allowed to take hold in the popular narrative? But sure, the CCP should open up their country's media to Western lies told on behalf of Western/Global private finance and the FIRE sector owned Western corporate (and right wing) media.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2022 22:08 utc | 170

ld #230

"Remember the rules about feeding."

I can't even eat my breakfast from laughing so hard.

Didn't this thread push the 'yellow peril' button! I will today open an account with Bank of China in celebration.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2022 22:08 utc | 171

I think this niewbie is a creature of b.
More and more barflies were stamping their feet: My pal has been censored! I was almost censored! Censor me if you dare! I will die censored to keep my soul at peace! Don't censor this son of a bitch, censor me instead!
And now this D. Niall pops up out of nowhere and pisses everyone off.
The same people are going to shout: Clap Niall’s trap!
Very clever, b.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 5 2022 22:14 utc | 172

No special meeting of the Security Council. No hint of anything being a surprise. I suspect this results from the Ukie's attempt to lure the Russian Merc company people into their trap since the same entities appear to be involved on the Ukie side, and it would be easy for them to infiltrate Kazakhstan and set up shop there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 22:05 utc | 232

Yes, I don't get the feeling that this revolt in Kazakhstan is really that much of a surprise. Supposedly there is already an "anti-terrorist" operation going on. Just the time of year for it too.

Tomorrow might well be an interesting day too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 5 2022 22:16 utc | 173

Posted by: Niall K. The Thread Spammer | Jan 5 2022 22:08 utc | 235

Have you ever been to China? I think not. My goodness, your Tweet. 2 retweets and one like.

The Twitter thread you posted is most likely misleading. The Chinese authorities generally take little interest in one-off criticisms and any police force is subject to corruption. But in the case you provided, which is lacking all context, I'd be willing to bet that this man had a history of warnings and concerned interviews and that the police and other CCP functionaries had given him many chances before taking action. Do you have a translation of what's actually being said? IOW, what's the WHOLE STORY HERE?

In China he could approach his CCP representative(s) and make official merit-based complaints, and they'd most likely listen to him and offer solutions. Can you imagine that happening in the USA? LOL, better be a billionaire if you want any influence on your government, multi-millionaire at the city and state levels too.

The USAgulag has the world's largest prison population despite the fact that our population is much smaller than China's - In the USA one cannot say or write certain things if one wants to have a career in politics or the media - In the USA most censorship is therefore self-censorship - In the USA you can bitch and moan about cops all you want and nothing will change.

None of this isn't to say that there of course is corruption in China, but their government has undertaken a sweeping initiative to root it out and destroy it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2022 22:16 utc | 174

For everyone's information:

https://www.quora.com/How-are-the-police-in-China

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 5 2022 22:20 utc | 175

I feel obliged to voice my concern about the sudden appearance of posters who are overly representing their voice in a highly unacceptable way.

I am afraid that his irrelevant input does negatively affect the majority of silent readers.

I do not like them at all

Posted by: Alay | Jan 5 2022 22:33 utc | 176

As already pointed out by several commenters, Godfree's list is actually just a partial achievements by China in the year 2021. I would also share a few random ones from my memory:

1. Progress on civilian airplane C919 and CR929, plus the engines for the airplanes.
2. Experiment uses of carbon dioxide as coolant of nuclear power plants.
3. Synthesize proteins from carbon dioxides - the first in human history (I think).
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-make-protein-livestock-carbon-monoxide-2021-11-01/
4. Create the first twin-seated stealth fighter (J-20S) in the world.
5. Progress in the lithographic machines to replace ASML.
6. Work on the next generation of wind tunnel (they already have the world fastest one currently)
7. Break record time again on man-make sun (nuclear fusion)
8. Progress in the maglev train.

... plus many more (if only I have the time). With so many smart and hardworking STEM graduates they have every year, people should not be surprised by the long list...

Posted by: d dan | Jan 5 2022 22:44 utc | 177

Niall, those images don't mean what Song says. it's no defense of China to point out that Song doesn't even know what "tens of thousands of people" means. you are not helping your case in that there is a Pacific Ocean of interpretation open to those images posted by Song.

nor your denial, by non-acknowledgement, that there is a massive, unrelenting, warmongering propaganda campaign against China going on in the west. the simplest assumption, undoubtedly true, is that Song is part of this campaign.

almost everyone at MoA starts from the assumption of Western infowar against China. an assumption that happens to be an easily demonstrable fact.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 5 2022 22:47 utc | 178

NK lives in China so he's the real expert.

Btw, I access MOA, CNN, Forbes from China without VPN.

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 5 2022 22:51 utc | 179

I also live in an Evergrande estate with many villagers as neighbours. They still have their villages and their Evergrande apartments is for their kids getting married, be near new public schools, etc.
China has many billionaires but also the world's largest middle class that's still expanding. So the class divide is much lower than before.

NK is obviously a Falungong member. All the same talking points.

Here are some recent photos of poor oppressed Chinese.
If you bother to dig a bit you'll see a photo of an Uyghur family selling naan bread in my Chinese city.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223364786842655&id=1075822740

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 5 2022 22:58 utc | 180

Don't ban Niall. My goodness. He's providing much-needed balance to the discussion. My goodness. If he was a Ukrainian patriot, they'd put him on Russian national TV to represent the opposition immediately. My goodness.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jan 5 2022 23:18 utc | 182

Bemildred @237--

I certainly expect tomorrow will be interesting, particularly for FSB folks and their CSTO kin. There's a degree of disgust within Russia for NATO and the Outlaw US Empire that's probably greater than during the Cold War as most Soviets seemed to understand it was an ideological battle between governments instead of the current battle against people in general, thus rendering it personal. I get my impression for that from Russian language media, and especially from Lavrov's conversation with the very popular Vladimir Solovyov. From the point where Ryabkov's remarks are noted to the end IMO makes a very notable impression. Unfortunately, there's no audience so there's no public reaction to the discourse that would prove useful. However, Solovyov does say the following:

"Vladimir Solovyov: We are also looking for new measures. Russian diplomacy has become aggressive and offensive this year, as we have wanted it to be for a long time. You shifted away from your signature polite and ironic style and toward a much more forceful way of asserting Russia’s position. You released correspondence with your Western partners to catch them in a lie." [My Emphasis]

How many Russians nodded their heads in approval when he said that is unknown but was likely a very high percentage. It's now early Thursday in Central Asia. I'd like to know if Psaki just announced the Outlaw US Empire wasn't involved or was asked directly. Either way, her denial is a lie.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 23:18 utc | 183

Skiffer @248
MOA reached 3 pages of spam because of a Falungong cult member. But to you he's bringing balance?

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 5 2022 23:23 utc | 184

May I toss another log on this bonfire of the trolls?

https://www.herecomeschina.com/what-level-of-democracy-does-china-have/

China wins the people's trust in its democracy model. The USA trails in the droppings of the dragon.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2022 23:25 utc | 185

250 comments on this already? The disadvantage of living in Australia is being out of sync with UTC time... oh well.

All I can say is: why aren't we here in Oz getting in on this action? But no, our racist Sinophobic parochialism is easily manipulated by abusive parents (UK + USA) who rip us off under the banner of AUKUS while we flush all productive international partnerships down the toilet.

Dumb Australia, grow the f**k up.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 5 2022 23:27 utc | 186

@Niall K. 242

Young man or young woman it is unknown to me.

When you're my age, it will take more than a few sharp sentences to throw me off balance. Your methodology is everything but new. You're just an overripe carbuncle about to be popped. Disgusting but the mods will be dealing with you accordingly.

Posted by: Alay | Jan 5 2022 23:29 utc | 187

Just a remark about Niall's lies:

The severe floods in China in 2021 were not at the Three Gorges Dam, which indeed reached its maximum filling for a few weeks, but in Henan province, especially in the city of Zhengzhou. The troll does not even know Chinese geography.

Just a comparison: Chinese flood disaster 2021: 302 fatalities.
German flood disaster (Ahrweiler county) 2021: 73 fatalities.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jan 5 2022 23:37 utc | 188

Posted by: Skiffer | Jan 5 2022 23:18 utc | 248

My Goodness!! Yo don't have *any* clue! All the clues belong to @Niall
:-):-):-)

(btw: this is the longest anti-China-troll-fueled thread I have read here...)

Posted by: Lian | Jan 5 2022 23:37 utc | 189

In response to Surfeket@250,

I meant that tongue-in-cheek. Or, balance between batshit crazy and rational analysis, if you like. Reminds me of what the comment sections used to look like on mainstream online news resources, before they shut them down, only with its Nialls being cheered on by the majority instead of being talked down from the precipice.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jan 5 2022 23:40 utc | 190

Regarding the banning of posters on this blog:

As for Black Bread my only concern was that in his latest deleted posts before banning he seemed to be writing in very good English when rabbiting on about Occult Symbology in marked contrast to his earlier posts about politics in general. I notice that people who get stuck in occult symbolism of the elite and the accompanying rabbit holes lead almost uncannily to Trump support. Am I wrong? Maybe B being a veteran observer of trolls caught on to this faster than we all did. Was he English fluent or not?

As to this latest annoyance NK, why is he/she being tolerated ? Where is B's intervention ? I see no value in any of the resulting dialogue and how easily set off the regular posters seem to be by this individual. Is everyone having a low resistance day?

Posted by: K | Jan 5 2022 23:52 utc | 191

Skiffer @258

Ok my bad. Not many are into sarcasm which easily gets lost unless you're familiar with the person making it.

Here's another post of a normal life in China.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223403422728528&id=1075822740

aquadraht @254 is absolutely right. The recent floods were in Henan province and hit Zhengzhou and Xinxiang cities pretty bad despite early weather forecast warnings. Several officials in Zhengzhou govt and subway were sacked as a result.
My own city was hit with flash floods that dumbed 4 months of rainwater in 2 hours. If you dig my FB posts you'll find photos of that flood just outside of my Evergrande estate.

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 5 2022 23:56 utc | 192

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2022 23:18 utc | 249

RE Lavrov-Solovyov:

Ha! He is rather salty there:

Vladimir Solovyov: Wandering off to the left in Russian is synonymous to having an affair on the side. This is a dangerous thing to do. Or our pivot to the left can take us all the way to communism.

Sergey Lavrov: It is every man’s right to get it outside.

Yeah, rather interesting interview, they seem to know each other well.

I'm watching this all intently, but too many crises to keep up on. I sort of expected some attempts to disrupt the Russia/US negotiations from the usual quarters, which we see happening now.

Thanks for keeping us up on what the Russians are saying. I have too many other things going on and too little ambition most days.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 5 2022 23:57 utc | 193

Bemildred @259--

Thanks for your reply. Did you read my comment @173?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2022 0:22 utc | 194

I’ve heard of the AI programs that are used to generate content and even news articles.
The Groaniad even published one last year officially but it had some obvious edges to it. So they could claim it was not good enough and they would not use any such thing, what with all their ‘investigative journalism’ and rolling 5+1 eyed 24/7 coverage 😂 - I digress.

Anyway certainly the Atlantic Council. Bell Ends. Integrity initiative. 77th. Hasbara and Co would have a database of Narrative Message points to deliver and disrupt. Employees obviously aren’t hired to actually make up comments. They are there to obey orders and push the buttons on the Narrativess.

The AI instead replying to individual comments based on the keywords and context of that poster.

What we have seen here since mid afternoon seems to me to be a manifestation of such a AI unleashed without wondering about the spoor and tracks it leaves!

As a matter of coincidence I posted first about Kazakhstan and the escalating and closer attacks on the remnant ‘US’ troops in Iraq/Syria. On the Open thread. About an hour before.
This Kazakh development was mentioned by a couple of others there over the next hour.
And this spammer appeared on this article shortly after.
QED?

I see that everyone is now fully aware that we are seeing the escalation towards Ukrainian attack on Donbass progressing in a snafu way, only nato does best. They have never been able to move quick and usually require a month of heavy air superiority before putting their arses anywhere near danger. Which they are not going to get. That trap has been opened for them in recent years by deaths of Russian and their allies in the live fire attacks over Syria.

The Western petty Caesars of Late Dominate Empire are clearly deranged and are pursuing their old,old, strategy of ‘Extending’ the Russians!

Have they forgotten that China’s Army not so long ago moved forces and equipment to thousands of Kms by train to North Russia in joint exercises aimed at rapid deployment? And can and can land airborne battalions even faster by the thousands.
I doubt Russians would be needed to go to Kazakhstan’s aid except to show they were there as a joint force.

If any Russian forces are supposedly going to be distracted from ANY of their borders - it certainly won’t be the Ukraine clusterfuck due to roll with the multifront Extension false flags.

I expect the ‘Great Divide’has been planned for just this moment. Goodbye free travel between the decrepit Empire as it looks to build a new global travel Wall to keep their slaves controlled and at home.

At least they all agreed that the rules of engagement means that Nukes will not be used or threatened to be used.

Am I wrong? This appears to ‘Be On’.


Posted by: D.G. | Jan 6 2022 0:26 utc | 195

Thanks for your reply. Did you read my comment @173?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2022 0:22 utc | 260

Yes, a good point, Blinken & others have been making statements too, but we better take it over there.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 6 2022 0:27 utc | 196

@Niall K. | Jan 5 2022 20:53 utc | 212
Just to the reply about patents, because i have some expertise about that from personal experience. I am process of making a chinese patent. It is already an eu patent and via pct it also can become one by us and chinese law. In china not easy at all. Without going in detail, i appreciate very much communication with the patent attorney over there. He explain me a lot about the way the think and act. Basically they block any attempt to get a patent. Even after it is already approved by europe. They say its doesnt have enough new features. This is the default mode of reaction to any try. So now we have to go again through all details and prove with extremely more effort than europe and us. i will get it, i think. Btw. Its about spherical video screens. However, just this detail shows me the way you compose your flood of comments. Just claiming and to hope nobody will catch you.
The whole way you write remind me of german internet antifa. This people make courses about how to destroy somebody in the net. You repeat so often whataboutism. This is a common feature they learn and repeat it so often, that it become boring even to read on. I think you are young and want to earn some merit in the digital battlefield. I guess tmrw you will show your teacher how well you destroyed a discussion. You have to understand this forum is about to enlight each other. Not to drag somebody else down. Even with a different opinion you are very welcome. You just have to sit down. Trink a wiskey. Be happy when you have once in the night a good conversation. but please dont spit on the other guests.

Posted by: rico rose | Jan 6 2022 0:32 utc | 197

The percentage of home ownership is impressive. 96% and rising vs. 55% and falling. Out here on the West Coast of the USA every major city and most minor ones have growing favelas. Twenty-five years ago I was solidly middle-class, now I barely stay a step ahead of homelessness with what used to be considered a good job.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jan 6 2022 0:36 utc | 198

Posted by: rico rose | Jan 6 2022 0:32 utc | 263

Interesting info, thanks! Compare that to the abuse of the patent system in the USA and perhaps China's approach begins to make more sense...

Just one of the ways: https://accessiblemeds.org/campaign/abuse-patent-system-keeping-drug-prices-high-patients

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 6 2022 1:10 utc | 199

One billionnaire and 300 millionaire per day is not a good indication.

Posted by: jiri | Jan 6 2022 1:52 utc | 200

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