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December 5, 2021
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2021-094

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

CM – Zero Covidista @xuchuanmei – 9:46 UTC · Nov 20, 2021

I'm sure the since deleted Weibo post by #PengShuai has been translated into En by ppl, but I haven't seen a properly translated version, & sounds like many others havn't read her post yet. Here's an attempt by myself, content in square brackets were added by myself… #WTA
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Many int'l media & commentators claimed #PengShuai accused Zhang Gaoli of "sexual assault", some even say "rape". While Zhang's behavior was dispicable & inexcusable, I don't think his sexual misconduct breached CN's criminal law bc in the end he persuaded Peng into agreeing…

Sadegh Ghorbani @GhorbaniSadegh – 10:36 UTC · Dec 5, 2021

Notice! it's going to be a sort of long THREAD 🧵.
A Senior Iranian MFA official has held a briefing about Vienna talks. Here comes the highlights.
To start, the official says it was predictable that other parties planned to start blame game and accuse Iran of being not serious.
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Other issues:

Covid-19 Omicron:

Doesn't look good at all.

– Infectiousness: Norway, 120 people visit a Christmas party, all vaccinated, 1 superspreader, more than 50 (unconfirmed 80) infected including people who were not at the party but visited the venue.

– Severity: Too early to really tell but probably worse than Delta. South Africa data says currently less people in ICU than with Delta
BUT a. mostly young people infected so far, b. often 14 days time lag from infection to ICU.

John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch – 23:11 UTC · Dec 4, 2021

Okay folks, time for a South Africa update, focused this time on severity of disease.
First up, the report from hospitals in Tshwane (the district furthest along in Omicron wave) is essential reading, as is thread from @miamalan tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features
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Covid-19:

  • How well masks protect – MPG
    A detailed study shows the maximum risks of being infected by the coronavirus for different scenarios with and without masks

Mark Sumner @Devilstower – 19:18 UTC · Dec 2, 2021
Everyone needs to see this. Mask mandates are enormously effective. Shockingly effective. Effective before vaccines were available. Effective in conjunction with vaccines. Effective through the delta wave. Wear a mask, and support mask mandates.
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bigger

Boeing:

There is a new book out about the 737 Max crisis: ‘Flying Blind: The 737 Max Tragedy and the Fall of Boeing’ by Peter Robinson. Links below are to a talk with the author, two pre-published excerpts and three reviews:

Use as open thread …

Posted by b on December 5, 2021 at 13:57 UTC | Permalink
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chu teh #200
I could not get bitchute link to load but I could read the reference to Dr Noack murder. I did find this report among many others.

11/21/21 WHISTLEBLOWER DR. ANDREAS NOACK, renown Austrian chemist, is dead just hours after speaking out about the effects of the adjuvant Graphene oxide m, a nanotechnology added into the injection; explaining that it is what is actually killing people; explaining it works by cutting up RBC blood cells “like nano razor blades”, leading to eventual internal bleeding, and depending on force of one’s blood flow, determines timing, explaining why athletes are suddenly dying during practice and games, or why some die instantly if it was injected into the bloodstream instead of the muscle…
This week Dr. Noack was arrested within 2 hours of this live video; and was dead 8 hours later. In a post written by his wife, he was found dead in lock-up, allegedly “beaten to death”

There is this link as well: https://justice4poland.com/2021/12/01/murder-just-hours-after-publishing-the-secret-of-the-vaxx-dr-noack-is-dead/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 10:40 utc | 201

@Norwegian #198
That’s a sucker’s bet. Every single winter olympics in China has seen a color revolution: Georgia, Ukraine etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 10:45 utc | 202

chu teh #200
I did find a video on the subject here allegedly Noack partner announcing his death.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/was-dr-noack-killed_tz9bOtyFl74nWZJ.html
It stopped playing part way through. I have no idea whether this is authentic or otherwise. Perhaps barflies can shed more light.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 10:47 utc | 203

BoJo orders more than 100 Mo Pfizer doses coz AZ has been known to be useless since… March 2021/South Africa. Future heart problems are claimed to be caused by anxiety, preemptively.
Business as usual.

Posted by: Julie | Dec 7 2021 10:48 utc | 204

@uncle tungsten #199
Idiotic.
Until the storage problem is solved – solar PV/Wind “renewables” are useless above 30% of grid power…unless society is fine with 3rd world energy intermittency. That’s why I posted the “energy security” being a likely major theme for the next multiple years.
Japan is quietly building 22 new coal electricity plants despite their COP26 “obligations”
Europeans are talking about nuclear, but we’ll see. The rabidness by which “greens” are against nuclear is not to be underestimated.
15 US states have banded together to form an “anti-ESG” alliance
they sent a letter to the major banks saying that they will cut off their respective state government relationships with said banks (i.e. pensions, payroll etc) if said financial institutions go ESG. Yes, these are largely energy producing states but this makes it clear that that ESG/woke nonsense is yet more PMC coastal limousine liberal.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 10:54 utc | 205

Posted by: Black bread @ 147
“Get an Huawei device and you will be out of hand of the Five Eyes…Why do you all this tech war is all about?
The FBI is able to access the personal data of WhatsApp users and iMessage chats in real time
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/412189-fbi-capaz-acceder-tiempo-real-whatsapp-imessage“
I agree, and I wonder why my iPhone wants to download “updates” three nights in a row?
Perhaps they can’t handle the slightest dissent?

Posted by: Paul | Dec 7 2021 10:57 utc | 206

@joey_n #177
Russia: there are many and ongoing attempts to increase vax levels, but the QR codes are meeting both a storm of vocal resistance and widespread scofflawing. There is also a not-insignificant amount of “fake” vax documentation. This is based on extensive personal contacts in St. Petersburg – I don’t see Moscow being much different.
Net net: don’t think Russia is like Western Europe in terms of fanatic vax discrimination.
As for Costa Rica: they may be “open” officially, but I know several people who went there recently. Expect much and repeated testing regardless of vax status if you go there. I would also look at quarantine restrictions regardless of “openness” of country to outside travelers.
Let’s compare with Mexico: I have gone there twice in the last 2.5 months – both border crossings on foot from California. Mexico isn’t even checking passports or visas – all they did was look through my bags for contraband. On the return – not even questions related to contact tracing.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 11:02 utc | 207

uncle tungsten #180
“Are you asking me to believe that a few tens of thousands of skilled hunter gatherers outbred to such an extent that they slaughtered all those mammals to eat?”
As you might imagine, there’s a bit of debate:
https://www.esf.edu/efb/lomolino/courses/mammaldiversity/disc1/groupd.pdf
https://documents.uow.edu.au/content/groups/public/@web/@sci/@eesc/documents/doc/uow014698.pdf
https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/50599013/A_review_of_the_evidence_for_a_human_rol20161128-6687-1lue34l-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1638878227&Signature=fQSMw5ucv80UhhQzB86G-PO7wtEj316Rmjl8Bjda5EuOOLGwJ~Dm2-CDN99Kfp3TWzDjbWLDvvZ-HRcQlyZR51Qt5gjTHL86-RCgKHM6zPzIVq7VTUDTZBosNOX5qloTqxbMWeB0GBNqRU2qcoPlDmfeiAtomyLZO6PM0BdN~Jo9Tc9UqAuuPden8bkvAXXpCT-nABoKfWk2wG3TB9pLdEYypcOYyrhtE5556ef2CQSIzMFi-S2V3U5~AgUlei8p0eXcelrlW5yWBvDIhAmIzvSzWaI~Qv5EgPCKBWWEp9JPtlSqgEbQ1hUOREVs9lPAkhNfAmxHmOWvFX4sAt2ljQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
I’m quite a fan of our paleo ancestors, especially of their art – i.e. Lascaux and Chauvet caverns – and their animism. Seems they were far more fit than we are as well; we’ve shrunk since the Neolithic. However, there is a curious correspondence between Homo sapien’s arrival across the globe, and mass extinctions. I’m not convinced it was all us, but scores of these big beast species survived multiple warming and cooling trends across millions of years…until we appeared.

Posted by: Gulo | Dec 7 2021 11:13 utc | 208

@uncle tungsten #180
I think you underestimate the amount of waste associated with the inability to preserve food, coupled with a large animal population that didn’t yet have a fear of man. While a modern hunter can shoot an elk and eat the resulting 200+ lbs of meat for an entire year, a hunter gatherer band doing the same would not be able to use it for more than a week or so – unless winter. But even in winter, caloric requirements would be 2 or 3 times modern human’s.
Large wild animals don’t have super high reproductive rates, either, but more importantly – humans with spears and fire don’t have the predation control that occurs with the rest of the animals. A relatively low reproductive rate isn’t so important if you don’t have predators killing off parts of your group all the time.
There is also very extensive evidence of “primitive” hunters using fire, spears and bows to kill large animals and in large numbers.
Some examples:
One example
Another example
Note that for the 2nd – while certainly “jump kills” in the archeological sites are clearly not the major/only way large animals were killed, it does clearly indicate that primitive hunter gatherers sought to do so.
The main reason there are still significant amounts of large animals in Africa is because of a combination of disease (for humans) keeping their population down and that the animals there co-evolved with humans. Ever wonder why we can ride/tame horses but the African zebras are pretty much never ridden? It is because they are “fanatically wild”; even hand raised zebras become actively dangerous to humans once in adulthood due to aggression. Cape buffalo are another example of African large herbivores which actively protect themselves against humans (largely by stomping and killing them).

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 11:23 utc | 209

Thanks c1ue (209) for the info regarding Costa Rica and Mexico.
Before I read your response, I looked at RT’s report on Mexican intra-national COVID restrictions via its ‘COVID Freedom Index’:
https://www.rt.com/covid_freedom_index/#country=Mexico
Notably:

* “recommends not leaving the house” (I’m assuming there’s no law against it, it’s just a suggestion)
* limits commercial services up to 50-75% capacity
* workspaces are “recommended” to be closed
* Restrictions on very large gatherings (limit is above 1000)
* public events function with restrictions

These caught my eye:

* Schools and universities are required to be closed (only on some levels, I have yet to see which specific ones)
* Public transport is “recommended” to close or to significantly reduce volume, route or means
* Citizens are monitored through voluntary COVID-19 tracking apps
* Vaccines are “not mandatory” but one is prevented from doing basic activities

Seeing that Belarus and Japan scored higher than either Mexico or Russia, I looked at similar restrictions in Russia, Belarus and Japan to compare.
* public transport remains open and restriction-free in Belarus, Japan and Russia
* those three countries also use COVID-19 tracking apps as well, so maybe I shouldn’t be too worried
* Russia still has open public transport, and it sadly hasn’t stopped it from scoring lower overall
All this assuming that the statistics are reliable overall…

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 7 2021 11:35 utc | 210

@Gulo #210
I think most people underestimate the impact of humans, newly armed with spears and later, bows, on animal prey.
First of all, the humans would be targeting the easiest kills: the old and the young. Killing the old is relatively fine; killing the young is not.
Since primitive humans almost certainly didn’t have hunting seasons or permits – I imagine they were happy to take down pregnant animals too, nor were they likely to shoot just the males and leave the females for mass reproduction.
The key in my mind is lack of co-evolution. As noted above – Africa has a lot of large animals still. Disease kept the African population down for a long time but a lot of the animals there are also very proactive in defending themselves against humans.
It doesn’t seem a stretch to me to envision a wave of newly technologically advanced hunter gatherers spreading out as they wipe out local populations of large animals.
The American bison, for example, may have numbered 60M pre-institutionalized hunting wise but their range was 9.4 million square kilometers.
6 bison per square kilometer is a pretty small number. Given no refrigeration, just how much area does a primitive human need to survive in the Great Plains? Note that pre-horse, hunting or even just keeping up with a bison on foot is a very non-trivial exercise.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 11:39 utc | 211

@Melaleuca #33
Sorry, but anyone defending Robinhood is a moron.
Robinhood screws its customers multiple ways:
1) All customer activity is routed to one or more hedge funds. This is blatant privacy invasion as well as setup for misbehavior (more below) – which Robinhood gets around by “selling its order flow for execution”. If any institution gave away this behavior, it would be literally criminal – for example.
2) There are many good reasons why even regular stocks, much less derivatives like options, should not be too easy to buy or sell. Even before the advent of HFTs, the existence of market makers, pump and dumpers, wash traders, front runners and all other manner of chicanery makes any type of investment risky for amateurs (i.e. dumbasses).
3) And with the advent of “controls” over meme stocks, Robinhood can’t even pretend to be “just a service provider”.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 11:55 utc | 212

@JustAnotherAussie #100
Sure, because woke and BLM and what not are all “Right”… /sarc

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 11:56 utc | 213

@joey_n #212
Anything reported about Russia by Western media has to be taken with a boulder of salt.
As for Japan: ignore all the bullshit. You literally cannot travel to Japan unless you are a Japanese.
This has been in place since very early COVID.
There was a short window where you could go, after walking through 300 feet of broken glass on bare feet, on business but basically nobody did this (or was able to do this).
Even if you are a Japenese citizen, you have to get tested in the airport and then quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel.
So anything that rates Japan as “open” is idiotic and proof of garbage.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 12:02 utc | 214

@clue (216)
Well, yeah. I didn’t say Japan was open (Kayak says Japanese borders are closed) nor was I trying to imply it. I was simply talking about domestic policies, not just international travel. But good points nonetheless, thanks either way.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 7 2021 12:13 utc | 215

How to tell when something is true.
The Pentagon/CIA/Deep State are known habitual liars.
They
lie
lie
lie.
Just say “Russians”
and the MSM now states it as
true
true
true.
Works every time.

Posted by: librul | Dec 7 2021 12:37 utc | 216

The necrophiliac Western media is prolly done with Peng Shuai (the issue, not the person) by now.
But for interested readers, Charles Liu on the hiddenharmonies org site has done a detailed job on translating her weibo post. She’s pensive and pleading, imo.
However, the same said media, has maintained a graveyard-like silence over Thesis-gate, the lively scandal engulfing a certain Taiwanese leader.
It appears that there is no trace of her PhD submissions in the 1980s to a hallowed London economics institution. The uproar is percolating through chat shows of Hong Kong and Taiwan.
It matters not a whit, though, to Financial Times which names Someone among the 100 Most Influential Women, along with Plastic Pelosi lol! (As influential as a laxative, snorts a Twitter user).
Blogger richardsonreports takes her down – and the attempt to criminalize a whistleblower – in a wordpress post.

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Dec 7 2021 14:48 utc | 217

c1ue @215: “Sure, because woke and BLM and what not are all “Right””
We’re back to definitions. What are “Left” and “Right”? I would argue that “Left” means to align with labor (the working class) while “Right” means to align with capital (big business).
What? No mention of race or gender? How can that be?
The “woke” would define “Left” as being “woke”; that is, the dawning awareness that problems in society (and the world, apparently) arise from inherent meanness of white people in general, and the white working class in particular. The “woke” further refine this by noting that the meanness afflicting society is specifically a feature of white working class men. The “Right”, of course, are defined by the “woke” to be anyone who disagrees with them. Thus if one is to argue that the “deplorable” white working class are not racist misogynists then by “woke” definition you are a fascist.
Note, however, that the demographic viewed by the faux-left “woke” as being the “Right” and thus their opponents is that portion of the American working class that is most competent and most readily organized for class struggle against the corporate elites. Furthermore, the “identity politics” of the “woke” are diametrically opposed to the development of class consciousness.
Hopefully you can see for people who define the “Left” – “Right” dichotomy as Labor vs Capital that what passes for “Left” in the US (the “woke”) actually serve the interests of big business elites. This aligns the “woke” with Capital against Labor, which puts them on the right hand side of the dichotomy.
Who is to the left of the “woke” in the US? Paradoxically, most Trumpists and “deplorables” more readily align themselves with Labor than they do with Capital, which puts them to the left of the “woke”. Strange but true!
The argument that America currently has no organized left to speak of is thus very accurate.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 7 2021 16:02 utc | 218

funny how most if not all the omicron cases are in vaccinated individuals… kinda like its not even a new disease.. maybe just a mid-term side effect of getting jabbed with gene therapy? disguised as a new virus? hmmm

Posted by: F.Bomb | Dec 7 2021 17:57 utc | 219

@William Gruff #220
I more or less agree with most of what you wrote – except the idea that Trumpists are aligned with labor.
My view is that it is far from conclusive that Trump or the “movement” under his name is really working class as opposed to less PMC than either mainstream Republican or Democrats.
I also deliberately say “working class” because that includes small business owners who are not Labor in many cases.
Nor is “more aligned” really that meaningful – it is like saying Godzilla is less destructive than Mothra: even if true, still sucks to live in Tokyo.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 7 2021 18:04 utc | 220

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 10:40 utc | 203 et al
re Graphene Hydroxide in vax and consequences…
Thanks your reply. The link works now [for me]. The “hydroxide” part makes it easily water soluble…and thus potentially dangerous. Here is that link again:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iwz6uDOU7tcG/
It’s a 17-minute video. Sobering.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 7 2021 18:36 utc | 221

There is this link as well: https://justice4poland.com/2021/12/01/murder-just-hours-after-publishing-the-secret-of-the-vaxx-dr-noack-is-dead/
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 10:40 utc | 203
Posted by: chu teh | Dec 7 2021 18:36 utc | 223
Wow. Cheers for the update on this – I do remember the initial Spanish discovery of Graphene Oxide inside these jabs, however I was not aware of Dr Noack’s update of the substance here to Graphene Hydroxide – aka carbon razor blades that are to never leave the system.
There has been two Australian Chancellors that have resigned in recent memory, and the Austrian chancellor mentioned has since resigned post Dr Noack’s death, has he not…? I find it extremely unsettling that such drugs could possibly be mandated where there are trials still in operation, and so many obvious questions remain. But… here we are.
I mean, if one wished to deny the Nuremberg Code and push mandatory procedures, would not one choose a safer, fully explored, and less suspect route in which to meet that end…? The brazen nature of this attempt seems doomed to meet an epic failure and I don’t believe we are far away from full disclosure. A great many are not turning up for their boosters.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 7 2021 21:30 utc | 222

Gulo #210
Thank you for your reply. I will read those as the day permits. There are easy pickings with fish and birds still out of the equation in my view. The Aboriginal Australians in the seaboard location that I live used to harvest endless fish and eggs and the occasional dugong. The latter were here in astounding abundance as recorded by the first euro seafarers and settlers that came. The Aboriginal people with historical memory and passed on story from this area tell of bounty and food without want. Then there are wallabies and possums and other mammals.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 21:34 utc | 223

uncle tungsten #225
“Thank you for your reply.”
My pleasure.
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c1ue #213
“Note that pre-horse, hunting or even just keeping up with a bison on foot is a very non-trivial exercise.”
Like the colonization of coyotes after wolves and pumas were wiped out east of the Mississippi, those 60 million bison may well have benefitted from the extinction of other big ruminants.
I worked closely for a number of years with the predator ecologist who first determined that the presence of reintroduced wolves to Yellowstone changed the browsing behavior of elk, resulting in an explosion of biodiversity in the park’s riparian zones. He felt that with the acquistion of the horse for hunting, Plains’ natives would have eventually threatened the bison population. Of course, U.S. bounty hunters got there first.

Posted by: Gulo | Dec 7 2021 23:30 utc | 224

@Gulo #226
You raise an excellent point.
The introduction of the horse was relatively recent – we’re taking 300 years or less (1500-1800) – likely much less.
The Plains Indians certainly had to breed up horse populations, learn to domesticate and control them, then evolve hunting techniques against the bison. This extends to use of bison: the conversion of pelts, horns, hooves etc probably had to at least evolve a bit as would migration to follow the bison.
And then there’s the time during which the newly tapped food source must be converted into more kids.
I don’t know about the wiping out aspect; geologic time scales or even millennia time scales are very different than post agriculture human ones, but certainly plausible in a “if nothing changed for 5000 years sense.
The basic point is that underestimating the capability of a new technology in the hands of a new apex predator over multi thousand year time frames on prey animal populations should not be automatically dismissed.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 0:17 utc | 225

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Dec 5 2021 22:44 utc | 41
appreciate your story, it’s sad to read the hard times that you’re going through in Newfoundland but it sounds similar to many here in the middle of the midwest U.S.A. Basically, our life support system is deteriorating rapidly and things are falling apart, especially relationships, as you laid out with your divorce and job insecurity, partly due to vaccine enforcement. I admire you for sticking to your beliefs and convictions on not taking the vaccine. you might be right (full disclosure, I took the J&J but won’t take a booster), I think much of what you said makes sense but I still don’t know.
So… here are a couple of suggestions for survival with the potential to get stronger–
Own your divorce. been there. hurts bad. loneliness, betrayal, worthlessness. Bottom line, I have to be my own man, you too. Pointing the finger might give a second of relief but it’s a cheap fix and doesn’t last. Speaking of pointing the finger, don’t expect b or any blog site to make you whole. This site is one of the best but the arguments are still intense and elbows are sharp. Air it out. We don’t live with each other. We do post some impressive viewpoints often backed with links and lots of food for thought which feeds me and I’m assuming it feeds us all.
Back to your divorce, every ex I had was an accurate reflection of where I was at at the time we got together. We deserved each other but we only stayed together until the consensus/agreement was there. I bailed on some and some bailed on me. Bottom line, “we” opted out. That’s the nature of divorce: the partnership only maintains as long as both commit to staying in. When one opts out it’s over. Learn from it. Work on yourself. Change. Prepare for a better, more sustaining partnership. I assure you there are many who are looking. Question is, what type of relationship/person are you prepared for?
Thanks for the story. Keep posting. Keep your head up. We need you here.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 8 2021 0:17 utc | 226

@migueljose #228
The divorce was a long time coming. We had both gone our separate ways and from my side of things we stayed together cause we had kids. Leaving her was easy but leaving them was the worst breakup ever.
I crawled back to what I knew away from my family with a determination to build a place that I could bring my kids to. I stayed with my sister and found a job right away and just when I was starting to get straightened out with a car and shit I got laid off. After 2 months I transferred to a smaller depot with the same company and set up again. Now I’m relatively decent financially but uncertainty looms. More mandates and policies are coming.
Getting the jab would be easy. I’d throw an all inclusive on the credit card and smoke chongs on a beach in Jamaica with my kids for Christmas and life would be ….normal?
A new world not of our “choosing” and not for our benefit is coming (here) and most people want it or are brainwashed into believing in its necessity.
I don’t know whether to be dismayed by the future thats greased for our enema or further dismayed at more people seemingly fighting with me as time goes on against all this foolishness. I’m fighting but so far its all showing of cook n balls on the battlefield. The generals are having a sociable under truce discussing terms and its not yet certain if there will be any bloodshed. However im terrified of the charge if talks break down as the enemy has heavy horse n freaking elephants while I’m surrounded by a bunch of peasants holding their dicks.
I press b on this topic cause he’s been noticeably absent. I find it hard to understand how someone with such a nose for bullshit could ignore or maybe its that he agrees but whatever it is he allows the debate without adding voice which ….makes me angry lol
No one owes me anything especially our host and my gratitude in free beers at his own bar are uncountable.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Dec 8 2021 9:18 utc | 227

Regarding the “How well masks protect – MPG” link
Mainly applies to FFP2 or KN95 which a minority of people use, at least here where I live (Spain), also the study explains that’s important that the mask has no leakage, another thing most don’t follow, myself included, plus, at least for regular medical masks, they never fit well and require “modding”, and the study doesn’t even mention the cloth masks, here in Spain, most people wear those… point being good luck with getting to the conditions required to have the same results that the study displays
In the end, regardless of the effectiveness of a few specific mask types, because no one accounts, except maybe medical facilities like a hospital, for all these caveats and issues they probably aren’t effective

Posted by: Jouven | Dec 8 2021 13:25 utc | 228

No one owes me anything especially our host and my gratitude in free beers at his own bar are uncountable.
Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Dec 8 2021 9:18 utc | 229
I’m on my third marriage, thirty years now, absentee father to three because of that. I had to figure out what I really wanted, what was going to work for me. Don’t give up. Good luck and God bless.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2021 14:00 utc | 229

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