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December 15, 2021
Open Thread 2021-98

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james | Dec 16 2021 18:33 utc | 96
“it is rare that we get to put a face to a poster here isn’t it?”
Had you pegged from the start James – Jerry Garcia North! 🙂
Thanks, enjoyed your group. I did sports and now in my later years envy you music folk.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 101

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2021 18:48 utc | 98
Your link to the MID site is the second step of what was announced, or better said ordered by Putin to Lavrov in an older intervention, the sequence after that order was rightly exposed by b in his previous post. At first the order to do something sounded like rhetoric but those guys at the FM do not stop, not only Lavrov but Zakharova constantly and now Ryabkov, talking heavily about security, or else. Just about time.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 102

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2021 18:33 utc | 96
I feel flattered with the poet label but I would not pretend to be one least of all in a foreign language. I enjoyed that concert, I was not heavily into Lightfoot but that music rang a bell, so I treated myself to a refreshing, I enjoyed the one about the Fitzgerald ship.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:32 utc | 103

Everyone feels safe when reading that “Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction:
No interaction studies have been performed. Concomitant administration of COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen with other vaccines has not been studied.” (published 14th Dec.)
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-epar-product-information_en.pdf
And to see a product called by two different names is also very reassuring, isn’t it?

Posted by: Julie | Dec 16 2021 19:57 utc | 104

As per the document just mentioned, “A booster dose of the COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen (0.5 mL) may be administered as a heterologous
booster dose following completion of primary vaccination with an approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. The dosing interval for the heterologous booster dose is the same as that authorised for a
booster dose of the vaccine used for primary vaccination”
However, according to the largest trial, based on the 490,000 workers who received J&J in South Africa, “Healthcare workers who have received unauthorised booster doses of Cominarty® (Pfizer-BionTech) vaccine after Janssen® vaccine are strongly encouraged not to accept an additional booster Janssen® vaccine as there are no safety data for such a schedule”
https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/10/29/circular-provision-of-a-booster-dose-of-janssen-jj-vaccine-to-sisonke-study-participants/

Posted by: Julie | Dec 16 2021 20:02 utc | 105

Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 15 2021 18:18 utc | 1
I think that there is a lot of “essential technologies”, and many of them are mastered by smaller states too, e.g. devices for making microchip in Netherlands, and G5, apart from China, in several countries — notably not USA.
Nevertheless, would USA somehow force split of the world into two camps that block technology transfer and high technology products from each other, China + Russia would fare better than Communist block during the first Cold War, while access to essential commodities could be better in China + Russia. China cornered most of the minerals and metals, Russia and Central Asia have some (like most of uranium and palladium), so some essential exchange of materials would be forced on both sides.
Concerning brain powers, sheer numbers do not tell the story, it is important to properly manage and cultivate top talent, say, 10% of the graduates. On “free market” side, orientation toward short term financial results, or illusion of that results that translates into share prices conflicts with nurturing talent and technologies. This is the story of Boeing, and, I guess, many other companies: what happened to ATT and other “Bells” which should be a technology leaders? In the same time, Nokia and Ericsson survived as technology makers.
I read a rather morose article about solar power, and the ambition of USA to heavily develop it while blacklisting Chinese participation. Surprise: Americans cannot increase the production of solar panels without Chinese components and materials. So they will be forced to do something else, or keep importing panels from Malaysia and Vietnam that are made from Chinese components.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2021 20:25 utc | 106

Posted by: Bruised Northerner @ 79
No nouvelle cuisine at my local pub nor Escoffier style cuisine classique, just traditional food. One is more likely to bump into a shearer than an ultra sophisticated yuppy at the public bar. As for Air BNB, I support BDS so I wouldn’t consider having anything to do with them.
Disclosure – I do own a great Volvo, but that was bought new before they were put on the BDS list.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 16 2021 20:35 utc | 107

@61 oneman
Thank you very much for the Rumble link to the Rogan interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. Rumble is a fast download, 1 GB in 3 minutes – I will watch it all and maybe can summarize parts of it later here.
It looks like others over there have posted the whole thing also, as well as posters putting up key clips. A friend today said he heard about it on talk radio, so it’s being spread around. Good. The truth should spread everywhere and prevail and that’s the long and short of it.
Not surprising that YouTube has already banned it, nor that Twitter has suspended an account with half a million followers for daring to tweet a short clip from the interview.
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We live in the USSR now, where we can tell the truth by the level of censor panic. This alone should convince the uncertain that a vast lie is being perpetuated in order to maintain a vast commercial profit base, underlain by a vast criminality that can only be described as a conspiracy – how else could it work, without a consensual effort to destroy the truth.
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Links again:
The YouTube discussion on Dark Horse with McCullough and Bret Weinstein [Dec 6, 2021]:
Covid: The Path not Taken – DarkHorse Podcast with Dr. Peter McCullough
Joe Rogan (Video) – Dr. Peter McCullough Full Interview [Dec 13, 2021]:
after the dot com for rumble, add:
/vqv99d-joe-rogan-video-dr.-peter-mccullough-full-interveiw-a-very-experienced-doct.html
Zero Hedge repost of story on censorship efforts following the Rogan interview:
YouTube Censors Bombshell Joe Rogan Interview With Cardiologist Peter McCullough
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The truth is getting harder to hide, and the hiders are becoming more visible than ever. As the children die and become maimed for life, and as the sports figures collapse on the field, and as personal anecdotes flourish of the immense harm caused by For-Profit Pharma, I suppose that, as with every other pharmaceutical scam and injury caused over the many decades, this one will be revealed for what it is, and the nations will wake up.
I don’t know who will be left for the clean-up.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 16 2021 20:42 utc | 108

@ james with the link to his group doing Gordon Lightfoot music as jazz
Very creative james. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe I will get up your way again and catch you playing somewhere.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2021 21:39 utc | 109

ahji @ 85, in general I do agree with your post, but I am not one to favor medication over masking, if the latter can be presented postively, which you haven’t done. I’m a senior and used to thinking for myself and I suspect many teenagers like the security of a mask, feel somewhat daring wearing one — I base that on my teenage grandchildren as when I feel it would be safe not to do so, often they don’t. Here is my feeling about maskwearing – I believe it ought to be encouraged as a way of feeling safe, especially for adults, with medications on hand should symptoms develop.
As to those who feel masks don’t help, the jury is out on that one, and I feel they definitely do – even if it is only to prevent the tamer forms of the virus. Masks should not feel uncomfortable or suffocating, and the way to deal with that is make your own! And wear two in confined spaces with crowds. It’s a small item– even folk without a sewing machine can fashion their own version. But everyone has settled on their favorite approach at this point, so the main thing is stay healthy, get plenty of sun, go for walks when you can!

Posted by: juliania | Dec 16 2021 21:56 utc | 110

There is a growing movement of high profile independent MP’s and candidates in Australia, like whistleblower, Andrew Wilkie MP. This is from today’s paywalled AFR.
“Former Wallabies captain David Pocock is joining the wave of independents to run for federal Parliament because of concerns career politicians are more interested in toeing the party line than tackling big challenges such as climate change.
Mr Pocock will announce on Friday his bid for one of the ACT’s two Senate seats after being selected by Canberra community group ProACT, which has been inspired by the “Voices of” political movement….”
For the benefit of non football barflies, The Wallabies is Australia’s Rugby Union team, it is only played in eight schools each in two states. The Kangaroos is Australia’s Rugby league team. Then there is AFL or Aussie Rules.
A hung parliament with the balance of power held by independents is my desired outcome. That is the only way for real change.
In NSW, the independents forced the government to hold a productive Royal Commission into police misconduct.
There will be consternation in various corridors of power and embassies. Go Pocock, you good thing!

Posted by: Paul | Dec 16 2021 22:15 utc | 111

– From the official Chinese statement on yesterday’s summit. Some excerpts.
‘China will continue to carry out flexible and diverse cooperation with Russia and other member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization to safeguard security and stability in the region.’
– Part of the riot-act that was read to the Dominate Nato Empire and its Owners by the new Multipolar Empire.
“President Xi pointed out that certain forces in the world are trying to meddle in the internal affairs of China and Russia under the pretext of “democracy” and “human rights” and grossly trample on international law and universally recognized norms governing international relations. China and Russia need to launch more joint actions to uphold the security interests of the two sides more effectively. China and Russia need to step up coordination and collaboration in international affairs, be more vocal on global governance, come up with feasible solutions to the pandemic, climate change and other global issues, and firmly uphold international fairness and justice in the process of resolving international and regional hotspots. Efforts must be made to firmly reject hegemonic acts and the Cold War mentality under the disguise of “multilateralism” and “rules” “
President Xi Jinping Had a Virtual Meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin
– Are they also seeking gain from the diminishing of the unipolar Empire – hell yes but they not in the cake and eat it manner but a more savoury :
“President Xi pointed out the need for the two sides to share in opportunities of development under the new circumstances and make the pie of cooperation bigger.”
– Sum of the parts being greater is what they are about. There are plenty of parts waiting to join as soon as economic/banking security choice is available to ‘move’ their bank accounts! It’s on its way :
“President Xi talked about the Global Development Initiative he proposed at the 76th Session of the UN General Assembly in September. This is another global public good that China offers in response to market challenges facing all parties, especially emerging markets and developing countries, and in an effort to implement the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. China will work closely with Russia to play a role in improving global governance and promoting global development.”
– the rest of the BRICS that China has presidency of next year are invited to jump along with the UN representatives:
“Whether a country is democratic or not and how to better realize democracy can only be left to its own people to decide. International affairs should be managed by all countries through consultation. Promoting greater democracy in international relations and upholding true multilateralism is the expectation of the people and the prevailing trend of the times.”
‘This year marks the 20th anniversary of the signing of theTreaty of Good-neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation, and the two sides have officially announced the renewal of the Treaty.’
– It’s a most interesting report , historical , there is more in it and worth reading every word.

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 16 2021 22:46 utc | 112

@Ian (62)

joey_n | Dec 15 2021 22:35 utc | 32: It’s not a blanket ban. There’s no way offline gaming can be controlled.

Yeah, just wanted to clarify.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 16 2021 23:03 utc | 113

Bayer/Monsanto sucks again in Hawaii.

In the most recent case, Monsanto will plead guilty to 30 environmental crimes in Hawaiʻi, related to pesticide use violations and putting field workers at risk. In both cases they admit that they knowingly violated pesticide law and put field workers in harmʻs way. They will pay a $12 million fine this time, bringing their criminal fines and “community service payments” to a total of $22 million since 2019.
At the center of these cases is that the Monsanto field workers had to transport, apply and be exposed to these toxic and banned pesticides as part of their job. In small island communities of Hawaiʻi, Monsanto workers are our friends and family. Folks live just downwind and next door to these fields.

Guillotine quality executives reign supreme and the fakery US EPA comes along AFTER to issue petty fines and whitewash.
Where are the prison sentences for all these crimes that are far more injurious to humans than Julian Assange’s journalism.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:00 utc | 114

Grieved #108

I don’t know who will be left for the clean-up.

I hope to see this cleanup and I trust they adopt the Dalek mantra: ‘Exterminate’.
So far the covid karens have steamrolled millions into a tightly defined space. In a parallel space live committed millions who have reinforced cynicism and absolute mistrust toward government. If the day comes when it dawns on the covid karen crowd that they have been duped, then I expect a peak in the ‘cynicism’ data set. This could yield a critical mass with a vengeance motive. I live in hope as time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:16 utc | 115

uncle tungsten @114–
Those fines ought to be in Trillions so Bayer/Monsanto can finally be killed.
It’s been several years now since I opined the Third World War had already started in a Hybrid fashion, but that doesn’t mean I changed my mind about my opinion. Now there’s a rather important fellow who agrees “Russia reveals where World War III has already begun”–in Cyberspace:
“Andrey Krutskikh, a Foreign Ministry official charged with overseeing the country’s international cooperation on information security, spoke on Thursday at an academic conference on the subject of Russia’s place in today’s political world. He claimed that cyberattacks have become so frequent and severe as to constitute a new world conflict, hidden from the public eye.
“‘A war is taking place, and taking place very intensely,’ he warned in his address at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations. ‘As much as we act like this is all hidden, in fact, full-scale hostilities are happening in cyberspace. And in general, the media are correct to say this is already a Third World War. We just don’t know the extent of the damage, or who will lose in the end, or what the world’s configuration will be as a result of the war.'”
“Krutskikh emphasized that the Kremlin was eager to use the structure of the UN to come to international agreements regarding digital warfare. He complained, however, that the US and other nations had interfered with Moscow’s attempts to make the matter a priority.” [My Emphasis]
I’d really like to emphasize this observation by Krutskikh, “As much as we act like this is all hidden,” the war is already ongoing. That fact can be added to Russia’s list of reasons why it’s imperative that its suggestions on security be taken both immediately and seriously. But as Stoltenberg once again proves, the EU/NATO blind bats are just that–blind to what will happen to them if they don’t shut up and listen.
Remember when Putin asked the collective West to listen back in 2007 at Munich? Many millions of innocents will potentially die because of the Stoltenbergs, Sullivans, Nulands, Cheneys, Obamas, et al obtuseness, deafness and very fasle sense of superiority.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 0:43 utc | 116

@julia
Thanks for your comments. I worry that some of the youth are growing up feeling that the world is unsafe, and that masking is encouraging a sense that the world is dangerous, which it is! But we all die, and the youth don’t die of covid, unless they are already unwell, and I worry that safety as in “I can look after myself”, in the most basic and un-Nazi ways, such as, “I can cook nutricious food”, “I have friends who care about me”, “I know enjoyable things I can do that give me both physical and mental exercise”, being capable of looking after one’s self on a day to day basis, and then, when something terrible happens, to know that around me I have support.
I believe that the only masks that work to stop an airbourne virus (think: your breath on a cold day. That’s where covid lives) are constricting by definition, as they have to inhibit your intake of air, a strong filter blocks your breath. You are breathing harder, which works the heart, etc…
I don’t think there are easy answers. But healthy people should not be treated like sick people.
And “carriers of disease”, which seems to be the ugly narrative that surrounds mandatory vaccinations…I don’t know, but I think the assumption that masks offer some protection agasint being personalhy infected seems against the evidence (I believe most infections at home, and who is wearing a mask at home?); and those who think their mask is protecting others is constantly assuming they are sick, and that can’t be healthy for the mind.
I hope that makes sense, and thanks for your reply!

Posted by: ahji | Dec 17 2021 0:57 utc | 117

NS2 certification to be delayed forever, Well, only 6-7 months for the second delay, which will likely be followed by a third as the Germans decide to cut their own throat. Thanks to whoever posted this news initially, but I really must comment on the utter idiocy of this decision. As we’ve discussed here, Russia won’t be hurt whatsoever by however long the delay lasts. Since its going to be at least 7 months, Gazprom should empty the tube and send it down NS1, which is kept at 50% capacity by the same Dummkopfs.
IMO, it’s very plain to see that Europeans are nowhere near in charge of their destiny. Better move to Russia while you can.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 1:05 utc | 118

The perils of living in Australia’s inner city urban jungle….. you never know what will crawl out from under a rock as Australia’s oldest newspaper, The Betoota Advocate, points out:
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/naarm-women-suddenly-stops-using-aboriginal-place-names-when-discussing-her-property-portfolio/

Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 1:09 utc | 119

118 Cont’d–
I posted my comment too soon as this needs to be included, “Europe’s largest emergency gas stockpile hits historic low”. IMO, dummkopfs is too mild a descriptive term for those running the German and EU circuses:
“‘“Since the real winter is yet to come, the relatively small reserves should certainly be handled with care,’ Bleschke said, warning ‘If the withdrawal of gas from the storage facilities is the same as now, the occupancy rate [of storage facilities] will become very low in February.'”
The potential harm is crazy making the policy insane. Perhaps the gas should run out. Maybe then Europeans will finally rise against their oppressors and disband the EU, NATO, and run the occupiers of the continent.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 1:15 utc | 120

@ karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 0:43 utc | 116 with the link to the cyberspace part of our civilization war…..thanks
I have believed this to be going on myself but there is only hints here and there….off to read the story now

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 1:25 utc | 121

She must have passed ‘the Israel test.’

Paul | Dec 16 2021 11:17 utc | 69:   In most nations, one cannot advance in any government position without passing the Zio test.
karlof1 | Dec 16 2021 17:32 utc | 92:   That third part of the Putin-Xi meeting is expected. They gave those idiots in DC many opportunities to return back to sanity. Unfortunately, they miscalculated that there were sane people in there in the first place; maybe a long time ago but not today.

Posted by: Ian2 | Dec 17 2021 1:44 utc | 122

Posted by: Ian2 @ 122
Events will change established customs and power structures.
For the times they are ‘a chaangin’.
In my travels, I became aware the ugly butch blob who is now Australia’s foreign minister was in the same hotel. I found myself an ambush position but she didn’t come within my [verbal] field of fire.
Let ’em have it every time. Take no prisoners.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 3:18 utc | 123

@ Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:32 utc | 103.. thanks paco… the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald was fun to play and the drum solo works to recreate the vibe of a ship going down… lightfoot was a bit of a musical historian and this was one of a number of songs he did to reflect his interest in real events happening at the time.. black day in july and canadian railroad trilogy are another few that quickly come to mind… he’s a canadian musical icon, but outside, i am not sure how familiar people are of his music… bob dylan was a big fan and that would have helped..
@ psychohistorian | Dec 16 2021 21:39 utc | 109.. thanks man… that would be nice if you did come up this way… i’d like to be in portland right now listening to some live music as well… i played with a saxophonist – john gross – back in the 90’s when he was living in portland, but he lives in vancouver now.. alan jones is a great drummer living in portland.. go check him out if you are in portland… cheers james

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 3:26 utc | 124

Indian Punchline’s take on the Xi-Putin talks:
https://www.indianpunchline.com/a-sino-russian-military-alliance-is-gratuitous-as-of-now/
Basically he says that they didn’t make a grand announcement of a Sino-Russian military alliance because they didn’t need to. He’s pretty optimistic that they’ll never need to go there. So, that hypothetical military alliance is hanging in the background like some veiled threat. I think Theodore Roosevelt said something like: “Speak gently but carry a big stick behind your back”. Looks like the sealed explicit military alliance is the unspoken but visible stick.
It seems that in the Western legalistic mindset, no military alliance can exist unless there are some publicly signed documents. But what if the vital interests of 2 countries are so intertwined that one cannot survive without the other. Isn’t that a more solid guarantee of a military alliance than any signed documents?
If the Sino-Russian alliance can last another decade or two, surely it will go down as one of the greatest alliances in world History, having defeated the Great Neoliberal Empire. If it can do so without any major wars, then, surely nobody will be more deserving of a Peace Nobel Prize than Xi and Putin.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Dec 17 2021 4:18 utc | 125

“Where are the prison sentences for all these crimes that are far more injurious to humans than Julian Assange’s journalism.”
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:00 utc | 114

“Where are the prison sentences for all these crimes that are far more injurious to humans than Julian Assange’s journalism.”
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:00 utc | 114
No where to be seen ut, Just like any laws these days, that inhibit the uber-rich from making profits…

Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 17 2021 4:31 utc | 126

Here I am with yet another zerohedge link. When I step away from the interwebs, whether for five minutes or at the long end, an hour, I routinely and pyschotically check zerohedge for all that I missed in the proceeding five minutes. Right now, I am waiting for the telltale sign of war breaking out between NATO and Ru in Ukraine. I am thinking that NATO and Turkey-aided drone strikes, the same advisors there who aided Azerbaijan, of the Russians in the East. Perhaps we haven’t seen it yet because those in Donbas have had years to dig in w/ Russia flooding the fighters with ATGMs. Maybe they have also been given/supplied tech that scrambles drones?
In any case, if war is to avoided, it will mean an end to the globalist influence domestically, as my countrymen wake up to the reality that we have been sold a bill of poisonous goods. But waking up is never pretty. I stumble to the bathroom in the morning, sometimes stubbing my toe on the door or bed, sometimes stepping on my sleeping dog’s paw, but always urinating on myself when I do happen to get to the toilet.
So, it goes without saying that bullshit two years ago, such as defunding the police in urban centers, has given way to untold squalor, violence, and incessant and disturbing drug use that makes the city’s homeless look like extras in a George Romero film. If anyone wants to challenge any of these assertions, please go take a look at any west coast city. You will be horrified at what you see.
So kudos to the San Francisco Mayor who has finally reneged on her promise to defund by appealing to and begging the City to provide emergency funds to combat this blight.
Well, anyone who has worked a day in their life doing labor knows that old people aren’t dumb when they came up with “a stitch in time saves nine.” Yet now we have to settle for “better late than never.” We will have to trade the bully father-figure abroad, for the tender mother at home. This tune comes to mind right about now.
Covered in my own urine, it’s time to fumble my way into the kitchen for coffee.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 17 2021 4:34 utc | 127

@108 more…
I have now watched the entire Joe Rogan interview with Dr. Peter McCullough, and I can only call it luminous – actually I can also call it totally fucking brilliant, and recommend it unreservedly.
Why? I recommend it because Dr. McCullough has moderated his persona strictly to that of medical doctor, and Rogan has retained his persona strictly as a bulldog investigator, and between the two of them arises a narrative that I believe can be shown to anyone.
And if this is true, then a breakthrough in the propaganda war has occurred.
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Several months ago, I was concerned about Peter McCullough. He was appearing on every channel that would take him, as a crusader for the unpublished truth, and with inadequate sound equipment – he was raising his voice to broadcast his point – and he seemed tired to me, at the end of his strength.
But I noticed that on the Dark Horse podcast he was in his office, with his diplomas on the wall behind him, and his presentation was much calmer. In Rogan, he had a studio setting, and his appearance was superb.
So much for appearance. As to meaning, McCullough in the Rogan interview became the mild-mannered doctor and Rogan had to prompt the answers out of him. But what results is an overview of the pandemic and the US response that could result in people hanging from the gallows, mild manner or not – an extraordinary discussion.
Dr. McCullough gives us the citations and the answers to illustrate the last two years in the US, and the how of the response being so wrong, and even some of the why. It’s obvious what Joe is trying to ask about conspiracy, and yet McCullough won’t go there, almost sympathizing with the establishment in its craven and pathetic mediocrity, rather than in its corrupted soul.
It’s almost as if the witnesses were preparing for their testimony at Nuremberg – and of course, it may come to this.
I am so pleased to see Dr. McCullough resolve into his greatest strength, which is as a famous doctor who has been momentarily minimized – but that reduction will not prevail. Instead, the people who tried to reduce him will be shown – are being shown – as the nonentities they are. They will face eventual approbation and perhaps even criminal justice.
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Technical note: the video at the link is overlong. The first 9 minutes or so are redundant – the video starts again at that mark. Also, around the one-hour mark, the video has some pauses as the original upload hangs. I’ve tested this with the upload and the download – it’s in the original. Live with it, and after 10 minutes or so it all catches up again. Sadly, this happens right around McCullough’s claim that those who are recovered from infection cannot be infected again – ever – but it’s all there if you persist with the video.
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In the end, Pharma stands indicted by the facts. Rogan and McCullough elicit many of them from the blindness and madness of the last two years. It’s a great interview – I highly recommend it:
And to evade the censor that we in the USSR now face, the link is: rumble dot com plus this:
/vqv99d-joe-rogan-video-dr.-peter-mccullough-full-interveiw-a-very-experienced-doct.html

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 17 2021 5:18 utc | 128

The Truth Behind The Lies- Dr. Peter McCullough. 22 minute interview
On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination Easy to understand paper by Doctors for COVID Ethics

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 17 2021 5:41 utc | 129

IMO this is the best interview done with Dr McCullough (1 hr 13 minutes) Covid: The Path not Taken – DarkHorse Podcast with Dr. Peter McCullough

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 17 2021 5:48 utc | 130

Grieved and Perimetr et al
Now consider this is who/what we are dealing with…
On September 2, 2009 the transnational supergiant Pfizer pled guilty to multiple criminal felonies. It had been marketing drugs in a way that may well have led to deaths of people and that definitely led physicians to prescribe and patients to use pharmaceuticals in ways they were not intended. …/
Corporations do not go to jail. They paid a fine and went on their way.”* …
And here we are.
They were certainly under total control by judicial and .gov agents, weren’t they? with just some fiat-money fine? If that’s all it was, then our leading, evil intentioned, secret movers and shakers sure blew an opportunity to have them do ANYTHING as a favor for their wrist-slap-wink-wink “punishment” of a 1+ $billion fine…and who is to know who/where that $ ultimately landed.
.e. What did Pfizer do for their/our masters? Hmmmm
* The opening words from Thom Hartmann’s book “Unequal Protection”. It will help set you straight.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:19 utc | 131

The paragraph starting “On September 2, 2009…” should be in quotes.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:21 utc | 132

For those MoA barflies out there keeping track of the axis lineup there is the posting below from Xinhuanet

ZAGREB, Dec. 16 (Xinhua) — Croatian President Zoran Milanovic on Thursday reaffirmed his country’s adherence to the one-China principle and its respect for China’s sovereignty and security.
Zagreb attaches great importance to developing Croatia-China relations and is satisfied with the level of cooperation between the two countries, Milanovic said.
Qi Qianjin, China’s newly-appointed ambassador to Croatia, presented his credentials to Milanovic, who said that Croatia is willing to further strengthen high-level exchanges and cooperation with China in various fields.
Milanovic also wished the upcoming Beijing Winter Olympics a complete success.
In recent years, the China-Croatia comprehensive cooperative partnership has been developing actively and rapidly, and bilateral cooperation has yielded significant results, Qi noted, adding that the exchanges and cooperation within the framework of the joint construction of the Belt and Road and within the framework of cooperation between China and Central and Eastern European Countries have been fruitful.
China is willing to work with Croatia to continuously promote bilateral relations and strengthen the friendship between the two peoples, Qi said.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 6:33 utc | 133

re corporations…
The institution of corporations exists only because .gov allowed them to exist…and thus .gov had a way to control them. It is certainly part of some initial “deal”, or quid-pro quo. What do you think is their control mechanism?
It is the power to tax them!
In related wokeings,”operators” such as Donald Trump could not possibly exist without some kind of quid-pro-quo…something for something. Only our favorite baddies keep the IRS away…and other gently grinning, deadly serious threats.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:35 utc | 134

And then there is the posting below from Xinhuanet show outright “bribery” by China/snark

BEIJING, Dec. 17 (Xinhua) — China has provided its Fengyun meteorological satellite data to 121 countries and regions, including 85 along the Belt and Road, its meteorological authority said Friday.
Fengyun satellites are a series of remote-sensing meteorological satellites developed by China. Two new satellites launched this year, Fengyun-3E and Fengyun-4B, have already received orders from global users, according to the China Meteorological Administration.
The country has also offered technical training to over 1,400 professionals from 92 countries and regions.
Data services and technical personnel training are free of charge to all users, said Xian Di, a senior official with the administration.
“Global users will enjoy the same treatment in data access as their Chinese counterparts,” Xian noted.
China plans to launch five more meteorological satellites during the country’s 14th Five-Year Plan period (2021-2025) and upgrade to the third-generation Fengyun satellite observation system by 2035, to better serve users along the Belt and Road in disaster prevention and relief.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 6:36 utc | 135

For Australian barflies, re ‘the Lange case’ in the High Court of Australia and the ‘implied right of free speech’
https://williamforster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/How-Free-is-Speech-in-Australia.pdf
My comment is, free speech is indivisible, you either have it or you don’t.
Julian Assange can ponder that from his cell and so can the Australian Parliament from their self imposed captivity.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 7:37 utc | 136

ABC TV, Australia’s iconic Artist John Olsen on ‘Australian Story’ video, enjoy:
https://www.abc.net.au/austory/children-of-the-brush—part-1/13322716
I bumped into Olsen in his trademark black beret in a bottle shop in the Blue Mountains years ago.
It’s about time for the ABC do a program on the twice hung in the Archibald Prize artist Madam Lash, AKA Gretel Pinniger, also educated at the Julian Ashton Art School in Sydney. Bravo, Gretel, John Olsen, Barry Humphries and the Old Sydney Push. Days of wine and roses indeed.
Gretel’s father was a war hero.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 10:09 utc | 137

More obsequious groveling in NSW.
Dom is supposed to be a Conservative Traditional Catholic, he knows where to bow.
“NEW South Wales this week became the first state or territory in Australia to officially adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) working definition of antisemitism.
Premier Dominic Perrottet made the announcement on Tuesday afternoon, following the federal government’s adoption of the definition in October.
“Today I’m proud to announce that the NSW Government will join our federal colleagues in embracing the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance working definition of antisemitism,” Perrottet said….”
https://www.australianjewishnews.com/nsw-adopts-ihra-definition/
A sick bipartisan surrender to the ugly zionist war criminals. Australia claims to be a high contracting party to the Geneva Conventions. All the benefits but none of the responsibilities. As if they are blind.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 10:36 utc | 138

They were certainly under total control by judicial and .gov agents, weren’t they? with just some fiat-money fine? If that’s all it was, then our leading, evil intentioned, secret movers and shakers sure blew an opportunity to have them do ANYTHING as a favor for their wrist-slap-wink-wink “punishment” of a 1+ $billion fine…and who is to know who/where that $ ultimately landed.
Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:19 utc | 131
Corporations exist here mostly by way of a state charter, as in United States states. The state governments have always been property of the rich, what Lambert at NC calls the “local gentry”. The Feds, in theory, were supposed to regulate them all, but chose instead to sell out to the richest of the local gentry. So now the “local gentry” tends to run everything, and they are largely still the old aristo elites, who are mostly dumb as a brick and completely corrupt in terms of governance.
So it all began and continues with bribery and self-dealing among politicians, and it waxes and wanes, mostly waxes, depending on how much of that they can get away with, i.e on whether and how well the bureacracy does its job. Which is usually lousy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 11:39 utc | 139

A draft has been presented, under the following title:
AGREEMENT ON MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND MEMBER STATES OF THE NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION
Sorry for the all caps, it is a copy/paste.
Security agreement draft

Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 13:02 utc | 140

The numpties of the EU are looking so inept at this point WRT their threats
against Russia and the horrific gas price spikes.
Can’t predict events but you should have contingencies in place.
But nooooo!
Not the EU.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/frances-edf-shutters-two-nuclear-power-plants-after-cracks-found

Posted by: JPC | Dec 17 2021 13:05 utc | 141

For your consideration:
Vera Sharav
She talks with Dr. Reiner Fuellmich.
(Apologies if it’s been posted before. Sometimes hard to keep up around here.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 17 2021 13:21 utc | 142

Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, Dr. Karen Donfried will travel to Kyiv, [Reuters, Dec. 1x]
“Today, during a meeting between Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov and US Deputy Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Konstantin Donfried, Russian security initiatives were handed over to the American side. [Russian FM, Dec 15]
I suspect that Karen and Konstantin may be the same person.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 14:08 utc | 143

sorry for any undue psychological harm my spelling mistake may have cause.
Posted by: ld | Dec 16 2021 17:11 utc | 89
[Warning: the text below is uninformative while it contains violence and horror. Read at your own risk.]
I have mixed feeling about this apology. First impression was “what is it about”. With my sanity still fine (I guess) I am slowly reading the harmful post again. Apparently, my mental immunity is still on and I see nothing wrong. I try again, and only then I get a vision of an operating room with a person under anesthesia and ordinarily looking operating team, in masks of course… then the masks are dropped and a horrible feast begins.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 14:26 utc | 144

Richard Stephen Hack is posting on The Saker, Pepe Escobar’s latest piece.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 17 2021 14:28 utc | 145

“Of the 30,000 people who have received a booster shot in Iceland, only 10 have contracted COVID, around 0.03%. Of the 270,000-280,000 that are fully vaccinated, 4,500 people have contracted COVID, around 1.6%. Iceland’s Chief Epidemiologist stated there is strong evidence that booster shots could create herd immunity in Iceland.”
https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-booster-shots-could-help-iceland-reach-herd-immunity/
If you multiply it to the size of the US population, it means that even with a high rate of vaccination, there would still be 10 percent who got (sick?) (positive only?)
One month later, the booster policy does not seem to be enough anyway!
https://grapevine.is/news/2021/12/16/chief-epidemiologist-unvaccinated-children-and-adults-driving-the-pandemic-in-iceland/

Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 14:38 utc | 146

James,
I watched a couple of minutes of your performance before book marking it for later viewing.
Cool stuff! I would be interested in hearing more.

Posted by: David F | Dec 17 2021 14:40 utc | 147

@144 “,,,,then the masks are dropped and a horrible feast begins.”
One certainly needs a strong stomach for MOA these days. I was just recovering from an attack of Sydney academics when along come ld with a horrific spelling mistake. Now I have to assimilate a nightmare operating room scenario. Thank goodness for james and his calming music.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 15:05 utc | 148

Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 14:38 utc | 146
Same link: in Iceland, it is illegal to hunt house mice outside of the home, or to use poison for them in the outdoors.
I read about similar regulations in Siberia. It is illegal to poison wolves (the need typically arises outdoors). Livestock herders (reindeer, horses) complained that keeping wolves away with guns alone is not effective enough, but authorities do not want measures that are “too effective” and that target other carnivorous species too.
BTW, how does a mouse hunt look like? Easier to imagine wolf hunt…

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 15:05 utc | 149

Love you guys
laughter really is the best medicine

Posted by: ld | Dec 17 2021 15:33 utc | 150

I suspect that Karen and Konstantin may be the same person.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 14:08 utc | 143
Damn spell check …

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 16:20 utc | 151

Sorry for the all caps, it is a copy/paste.
Security agreement draft
Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 13:02 utc | 140
Thank you.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 16:26 utc | 152

This has just popped up on Reuters. One or the other?
“Pavel Zavalny, the head of the energy committee in Russia’s lower house of parliament, said on Friday that gas may start flowing via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany as soon as in January.
Germany’s energy regulator said on Thursday full certification of the pipeline would not come in the first half of 2022.”

Isn’t there the possibility of gas flowing with a smallish “fine” for non compliance?
***
“When the CAATSA’s away
the mice come out to play
dragging their tails behind them”
(almost from UK Nursery Rhyme)

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 17 2021 16:35 utc | 153

james @ 43
Nice mellow ensemble playing, james, and some nifty cymbal chops, but hang on to those sticks 🙂
And for our further musical adventures, let me run this one by you:
https://youtu.be/R1sam5xjgR4

Posted by: john | Dec 17 2021 16:39 utc | 154

China’s railway system complementing BRI continues to expand. Here’s the latest update, “China-Nepal freight train service launched, links Qinghai, Kathmandu”. The photo at the article’s header is awesome, sorta similar to the terrain heading out of Salt Lake City into Wyoming but on a grander scale. The stats cited also provide a clue as to where all those missing shipping containers went:
“In the first 10 months of this year, the number of China-Europe freight trains hit 12,605, an increase of 26 percent year-on-year. The freight trains carried 1.22 million 20-foot equivalent unit containers of goods during the period, a rise of 33 percent from the year before, data from the report showed.” [My Emphasis]
The geoeconomic dynamic Diesen predicted four years ago is now easy to see–Europe is close to 100% dependent on Eurasia for its energy and supply of consumer goods. Yet the EU continues to war against this natural change to its detriment, particularly on the energy front, although a few nations are determined to go their own way, such as Croatia as noted above.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 17:16 utc | 155

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 17:16 utc | 155
The new generations will be attracted by the immensity of the world island, just like previous generations were attracted by the big expanses of North America, like following the “Going to California” song, or Guthrie’s “DoReMi” if there is no visa. Europe is in suicide mode, the mediocrity of its talking heads is appalling.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 17:41 utc | 156

Paco @140–
Thanks much for that link! Unfortunately, Ryabkov’s briefing is currently only available in video with no English subtitles or voice-over. TASS offers this synopsis of the Statement but omits mention of Ryabkov’s briefing, which was likely ongoing at press time.
RT has several items about this and here mentions there are two documents, “Russia has drafted two separate documents, one for NATO and another just for the Americans. Both take the form of a contract, including legally binding promises about the future conduct of all parties.”
It also made this known:
“The draft documents, which were given to US Assistant Secretary of State Karen Donfried on Wednesday and revealed to the public on Friday, include a request for a wide range of guarantees from both NATO and Washington that Moscow claims are aimed at boosting the security of all parties involved.”
The article also provides a pathway to get to the actual proposals. “TREATY BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON SECURITY ASSURANCES” and “AGREEMENT ON SECURITY MEASURES FOR THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE MEMBER STATES OF THE NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION”.
As of now, I’ve yet to read any of the documents as I’m busy reporting their existence, media reports, and where they can be found. Here’s another RT item“Russian proposals to US & NATO ‘not a menu to choose from’ – Moscow”. And here we have a report on the Outlaw US Empire’s initial response, “White House responds to Russian security proposals”, which are rather predictable. What Sputnik has published IMO is inferior to the RT items.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 17:50 utc | 157

Paco @156–
Thanks for your reply! Yes, the photos Pepe Escobar has provided with his Silk Road articles are stunning and stimulating. I also minored in Geology, so I have a great affinity for the Earth’s majesty and how its constructed. Those few lucky enough to be employed as “roving eye” reporters are just that–extremely fortunate. When I was growing up, I drank the pages of The National Geographic, which provided a unique intoxication. The US Navy’s come-on–Join the Navy and see the world–was enticing until I visited some of its ships and noticed just how uncomfortable they were as a place of work for a person my height. For now, I’ll need to be satisfied with photos and videos of other places while visiting those nearby that I’ve missed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 18:08 utc | 158

Omicron “panic” in the UK: “Nightclubs in Wales must close from
27 December [!!] and social distancing will be required in shops and workplaces”
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-59694961

Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 18:17 utc | 159

China readies itself for the arrival of Burns as Outlaw US Empire Ambassador to China, “US sees Burns off with 3 attacks against China”:
“Those “coincidences” are more like three shots that Washington fired and specially arranged to see Burns off. It’s nothing more than to show that Burns’ mission is not to improve US-China relations, but to put pressure on China. Analysts believe Washington is creating obstacles to bilateral relations. It has no intention of asking Burns to be a persona grata.” [My Emphasis]
Given what’s conveyed in the editorial, one ponders why China would deem to accept Burns onto its soil when the lack of an Imperial envoy for the last 14 months hasn’t caused any problems or led to any improvements in relations. The editor muses:
“The position of US ambassador to China has been vacant for over a year. It shows that all anti-China agendas have been advancing extremely fast while any agenda related to dialogue and cooperation with China has progressed slowly. As the political atmosphere in Washington has been continuously poisoned, the US embassy in China has acted more and more like the Pentagon or CIA. It’s shameful for a diplomatic agency to give people such an illusion.
“In this context, no one can expect a new US ambassador to China to reverse the situation. If Burns chooses to ‘lie flat’ and become a decoration that delivers Washington’s messages like a machine, then he will be no different to one who idly waits for his retirement. If Burns opts to ‘add insult to injury’ as what he did at the hearing to continue to cater to the domestic radical sentiments against China, he may get some praises from the US in the short term, but he will never win a good evaluation in history….
“But as US ambassador to China, regardless of his own characteristics, the most important point in evaluating his performance is to what extent he will promote the good development of China-US relations. If China-US relations do not improve, or become even worse during his tenure, who can expect history to give Burns a thumbs up when looking back?
“As the US ambassador to China, Burns must serve US national interests. But what such interests really are requires an in-depth study by Burns, who was once a scholar. During the virtual summit meeting between Chinese and US leaders, Biden echoed Chinese President Xi Jinping that both sides should make the relationship work and not mess it up.”
Apparently the editor’s an optimist as he concludes:
“We hope that Burns, who is regarded as ‘professional and rational’ in the US, can promote the improvement of China-US relations, become an ambassador welcomed by Chinese people, and spend a successful time in China.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 18:21 utc | 160

“, surely nobody will be more deserving of a Peace Nobel Prize than Xi and Putin.”
Posted by: Robert Macaire | Dec 17 2021 4:18 utc | 125
But why would anyone want a prize from the original MIC? 🤣
As for ‘formal’ military alliance in the Munich pre WW2 sense. The various agreements over the last 20 odd years cover plenty of Security issues. Perhaps the ‘Treaty of Good-neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation’ means something more than the disarming title? 🤣🤣
Let’s not forget recent joint naval and air exercises in the China seas – curiously around the same time as the unfortunate sub ‘accident’ or the Chinese military rail transportation and manoeuvres in Russian artic territories. Thousands of miles, thousands of personnel.
@ Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 6:33 utc | 133
“For those MoA barflies out there keeping track of the axis lineup…”
I think the Russian Minister, the other day, laid claim to the team name ‘Allies’ – baggsied it as we say in U.K.- that means we (Nato Empire) are the Axis this time round.
🤣🤣🤣
Btw anyone else having trouble accessing Global Times website – won’t connect from my phone this afternoon.

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 17 2021 18:23 utc | 161

… When I was growing up, I drank the pages of The National Geographic, which provided a unique intoxication. …
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 18:08 utc | 158
Those would be the days when Bill Cosby referred to National Geographic as “the blackman’s Playboy magazine”.

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 17 2021 18:27 utc | 162

An article appears at the top of USAToday site (subscribers only) and Yahoo home page (free) with the headline “Full vaccination against COVID-19 and a breakthrough infection builds ‘super immunity,’ study finds” sometime in the morning on 2021/12/17.
From its 4th paragraph:

The study matched 26 vaccinated Oregon Health & Science University staff people who had breakthrough infections with a similar group who were vaccinated but hadn’t had COVID-19.

I am neither a scientist nor a statistician but is it a valid claim with only 26 samples in the “test” group?!
If this is not a good approach for “research” to make such a “claim”, what do these people want to achieve?! I’d bet most people just read the headlines and not too deep in the the “news” or “report”.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Dec 17 2021 18:38 utc | 163

@162 The days when schoolboys depended on National Geographic to learn about female anatomy.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 18:38 utc | 164

Finnian Cunningham sees nothing good coming from Germany’s new government:
“Olaf Scholz does not come across, at least so far, as a strong leader. His mealy-mouthed talk about ‘sharing one voice’ with the U.S. and ‘partners’ like Ukraine, as well as his ready acceptance of spurious allegations about Russian aggression, indicate that the new Berlin government will be a pliable tool for Washington’s policy of hostility towards Russia.
“Historically, it is ominous that the first German overseas military action since 1945 occurred in 1999 under an SPD-Green coalition. That was when Germany joined in the NATO bombing of Serbia. These parties are coalition partners again at another crucial time for Europe.
“If there is a new traffic light in Berlin it’s showing no stops for further U.S. and NATO aggression in Europe.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 18:41 utc | 165

@ David F | Dec 17 2021 14:40 utc | 147.. thanks david!
@ john | Dec 17 2021 16:39 utc | 154… thanks john! yes – it was funny i dropped my stick right at the beginning! this group is playing with numbers at the start.. dropping 1/4 notes or 1/8th notes at the end of longer 4/4 phrases.. when they hit the guitar solo they stay in 4/4…. it’s okay… semi zappa influenced by the sound of it.. i tend to be drawn towards music with strong melodies, or with some underlying element of healing to it.. you might find this trumpet player from israel interesting..
Revolutionizin’ · Itamar Borochov off his latest recording.. i saw him play on smalls live video feed last night..

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 18:43 utc | 166

Apparently countries that have used the Chinese vaccine in majority (UAE, Morocco, Turkey…) did not have much problems in the recent months.
UAE has even decided to use Sputnik light as a universal booster (not mandatory) to everyone including the recipients of Pfizer.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-approves-sputnik-light-universal-booster-shot-against-covid-19-rdif-2021-11-30/

Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 18:48 utc | 167

tucenz @162 & dh @164–
I was very fortunate that my extended family had saved all its National Geographics from @1937. I began to leaf through them in 1961 or so when I was 6. We kept our subscription going so my daughter could learn as I once did, only canceling it when we moved in 2003 because it was clearly promoting the Outlaw US Empire’s propaganda, not that it wasn’t previously. We didn’t have any use for it anymore, although we could now buy a copy whereas it was once something you could only get via subscription. I find it funny/odd that males always seem to comment on the natural nudity displayed in photos of females but never of males, and has always made me ponder when it was that clothing police were established.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 18:53 utc | 168

@168 I suppose NG got away with tribal nudity in the name of Science. Probably didn’t hurt sales either.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 19:02 utc | 169

james @ 43
There are cranes flying over (literally!) as I try to thank you and your friends for your concert. My canary sang during appropriate pieces, (he especially loved “Pussywillows, cat-tails”) but for me the shipwreck…well, it all was very beautiful.
What can I say — just thank you.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 17 2021 19:24 utc | 170

very tangential and the thread is likely dead anyway, but i’m pretty sure karlof1 was implying that “tribal nudity” is normal

Posted by: Rae | Dec 17 2021 19:32 utc | 171

it is

Posted by: Rae | Dec 17 2021 19:32 utc | 172

dh @169–
I recall drawings dating from James Cook’s expeditions depicting native naturalness, and I’m sure African nudity was noted long ago. My elders were never concerned that I might be unduly influenced by such candid photography or art work–we saw lots of nudes at museums, which we frequented, and art galleries. Covering human nudity promoted nascent industrial capitalism whose first factories were devoted to the production of clothing. Make nudity taboo and you immediately have a market for your manufactures, but have it promoted by missionaries so it doesn’t appear to be a government fiat. I recall lots of literary interest after Margaret Mead’s Samoan publications in living within nature/naturally. There’s a scene in the Broadway Musical-comedy Auntie Mame dealing with the innocence of childhood nudity and how shocking it was to Puritanical sensibilities that I found incredibly hilarious back in the day. Fortunately, here in Oregon we don’t enforce the wearing of clothing on anyone, although the climate will. But trying to enjoy that freedom publicly in other states might cause you to end up in jail. You can open carry weapons but women must keep their breasts holstered and areolas concealed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 19:42 utc | 173

@173 Nudity is a large subject and I’m no expert. I suspect it was missionaries who thought ‘native’ people should cover their private parts. Adam and Eve walked around naked by all accounts and it lead them into temptation.
National Geographic were exploiting a loophole. But that leads us into a discussion of pornography which is another big subject.
That said there are some men (not all) who are aroused by the sight of naked females. Their are even females who get excited by naked men! I think we just have to accept the fact that humans cannot always control their hormones.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 21:05 utc | 174

karlof1 #120

The potential harm is crazy making the policy insane. Perhaps the gas should run out. Maybe then Europeans will finally rise against their oppressors and disband the EU, NATO, and run the occupiers of the continent.

Frankly,IMO, the thought of Europeans rising up is a least probability. Higher probability is lots of covid hysteria defying gatherings of people huddled together in tight spaces to keep warm. They will likely all then end up in crowded cells and court rooms etc.
We barflies may yet have to mount a relief effort to ensure our poet barkeep is able to stay warm and type at his keyboard without his teeth chattering and the agues of age and cold combining to stiffen his fingers. We could each post a kilo of charcoal for a mini camp burner and he can boil water for his coffee and heat his garret.
On a serious note I see it as vital for Russia to get its message to every EU citizen: THE GAS IS THERE- TURN IT ON. If ‘turn it on’ or ‘schalten Sie es ein’ became a slogan to rally around perhaps the dummkopf german foreign minister might resign.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 21:24 utc | 175

Thanks your contributions.
The actual origin of the use of “corporations” is documented back to Queen Elizabeth I in order to sanction/enable “legal” piracy by Drake et al to get the gold, silver, etc [mostly Spain’s shipments of gold/silver, etc from West Indies back to Spain/Portugal etc]. Such was the funding of the Br. Navy build-out to dominate the sea trade.
There followed the rise and growth of The Crown partnership called The East India Company and the rest is history.
But note: It was 1st necessary for QE to create 2 classes of “PERSONS” to enable The Crown’s legal control via taxation and other Crown methods… NATURAL PERSONS and ARTIFICIAL PERSONS… the latter included what is known as CORPORATIONS [limited liability schemes].
And that distinction was precisely used by lawyers to “arrange” for corporations to have the “rights of persons”…an accidental but wildly convenient omission* of either NATURAL or ARTIFICIAL that enabled PERSONS to be “inferred” to mean NATURAL PERSONS! Obviously it was a long and successful plan that was accomplished by the plutocrats and wannabe plutocrats.
But nobody has been able to “prove” it in a court of law.
* The omission occurred in a Court Reporters innocent “headnotes” introducing his US Supreme Court 1886 decision in Santa Clara v. So. Pacific R.R.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 21:33 utc | 176

@173 Re-reading your post it occurs to me that you are probably talking about the concept of shame. Why are some people comfortable with public nudity where others are embarrassed? People have been covering their bodies long before big factories started producing clothes so shame is either instilled in us or we develop it ourselves.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 22:06 utc | 177

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 21:24 utc | 175
Dyadya Wolfram, don’t tell me you’re another old hippie, that sounds like turn it on, tune it in and drop it out ;). But yes, it is that simple, just turn it on. What a team of failures, starting with our egregious contribution the lost Borrell and his “compass” strategy sided by VonDerLyer just out of the hair dresser, what a horror show.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 22:12 utc | 178

On covering bodies with cloth or skins.
It seems to me that hunting and gathering might necessitate having the genitals covered by some reliable, tough material to simply mitigate the pain of thorns and thistles when harvesting a bowl of berries. There are some very unpleasant spike forms in the natural environment.
Then there are icicles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 22:14 utc | 179

@179 Protection would certainly be a factor and there are obvious reasons for dressing up in cold climates. But I believe the Kalahari bush people wore only the minimum as did/do remote tribes in the Amazon and Papua New Guinea.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 22:42 utc | 180

@ juliania | Dec 17 2021 19:24 utc | 170
thanks juliania! my pleasure… lightfoot wrote that song based on growing up in his home town of orillia ontario – approx 1 hour drive north of toronto.. glad you enjoyed it! now you get to put a face to this poster you have interacted with many times… cheers..

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 22:48 utc | 181

I see the zip has escaped from the topic but I’ll add that here in the Pacific Northwest first peoples fashioned fashions from tree bark–western red cedar was the favored species–that was long lived and very practical–and most importantly, waterproof. But the Lewis & Clark troop refused to wear the native dress while their animal skins moldered and melted in the region’s rains.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 18 2021 0:10 utc | 182

@182 Was there a topic? Personally I find this a relief from Ukraine, Taiwan and virus variants. I can’t somehow see native Americans going back to cedar bark. They seem to prefer pick-up trucks and Big Macs.

Posted by: dh | Dec 18 2021 0:45 utc | 183

@130 Perimetr
I agree with you. On reflection, I think the Rogan interview is valuable to the world at large for the things discussed and for the way it shows McCullough clearly as an expert, as well as showing so clearly that there are alternate views on the matter, very different from the propaganda narrative. I hope it has the effect to turn the minds of marginal people.
But the Dark Horse interview went much deeper into the scientific protocols and deployments that were important to the pandemic response. These things were missing, and Dark Horse goes into the question of why. This remains my favorite of the two interviews, personally.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 18 2021 0:52 utc | 184

@dh
“…accept the fact that humans cannot always control their hormones”
We are getting there

Posted by: Platero | Dec 18 2021 1:57 utc | 185

“human-on-a-chip”
If cannibals had fast-food restaurants.

Posted by: Platero | Dec 18 2021 1:58 utc | 186

@185 If you think anti-vaxxers were a problem wait till they hear about homuncular endocrine modulation.

Posted by: dh | Dec 18 2021 2:10 utc | 187

Just because China does damn near everything better than the US,
does NOT mean it’s a beacon for the free world to aim towards.
China is as totalitarian as it comes.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Dec 18 2021 5:17 utc | 188

Below is a link to a posting by Pepe Escobar at The Cradle
Putin and Xi plot their SWIFT escape
I spent a big chunk of my techie career building supply chain related interfaces between computer systems and applications. The design/development of financial interfaces is not rocket science but the global politics of the situation that are being danced around by global nations/powers make rocket science look simple, IMO.
The world needs another Bretton Woods sort of global meeting of “world powers’ but it might be glaring to see the scions of private finance operating their puppets so tightly while the multi polar sovereign nations say to the puppets, who do you represent?
SWIFT is a privately owned tool of global financial control and is a glaring example of the obvious contrast between public and private finance like I continue to point out. Replacing it with a communal utility developed and supported by sovereign nations would be a welcome change.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2021 5:40 utc | 189

@ waynorinorway | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 101
hey! thanks! lol.. i missed your comment until now!

Posted by: james | Dec 18 2021 6:27 utc | 190

Trade between Myanmar and China increasingly settles in Chinese Yuan and the US can shove their paper tiger $ up their rs.
New Eastern Outlook reporter Brian Berletic examines far more than currency issues here and looks deeper into the malignancy of the USA intimidation and murder it has let loose in Myanmar to hold it as a captive nation.

For nearly a year now the Southeast Asian nation of Myanmar has been racked by US-sponsored terrorism attempting to reinstall Washington’s client regime of choice headed by Aung San Suu Kyi and her National League for Democracy (NLD) party.
Compounding the daily violence carried out by the US-sponsored opposition, are growing sanctions leveled by the US and other nations pressured to follow suit targeting Myanmar’s economy externally as US-sponsored terrorists target daily economic activity domestically.
To circumvent the growing number of sanctions attempting to suffocate Myanmar, Myanmar is now using the Chinese Yuan to trade with its neighbor to the north.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:45 utc | 191

Some news:
MINI SUMMIT OF DEMOCRACIES
Israeli Leader Holds Historic Meeting With Emirati Crown Prince
Cementing an alliance built on mutual fear of Iran, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett met Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of the United Arab Emirates on the first official visit by an Israeli leader to the Gulf state.
THEY VOTE WITH THEIR FEET
A Polish soldier defected from his unit stationed to block the entry of refugees from Belarus to Poland, claiming in a news conference — in Belarus — that he could not follow orders to inhumanely treat the refugees.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 9:49 utc | 192

Editorial from India’s no.1 ex-communist newspaper called “the Hindu”: “Any offer from Russia to play the facilitator in talks (of India) with China must be scrutinised closely” :
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/for-an-honest-broker-the-hindu-editorial-on-russia-and-india-china-ties/article37980940.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 18 2021 9:53 utc | 193

United Arab Emirates fancies itself as the top Arab dealmaker and is examining French made bone saws rather than US imitations. NEO has a fine report by Salman Rafi Sheikh on the maneuvers.

Apart from making a defense deal – which came as a potential snub to the US’ dillydallying on the sale of the F-35s to Abu Dhabi – with France to purchase 80 state-of-the-art Rafael jets, the UAE is cosying up to Iran and Turkey as a means to place itself as a key player in the region, one that is capable of resetting regional balance of power through its moves. The UAE’s moves towards Iran, for instance, have come at a time when the US-Iran talks are stalled for months and a meaningful process – and resolution of the issue – remains unlikely. The UAE’s move to place itself as a key interlocutor is not meant to please the US to get the F-35s; it is more of a move that would make it a new power broker in the region, especially between Israel and Iran. It is a move that is supposed to allow Abu Dhabi to play on both sides of the geo-political spectrum in the Middle East. In other words, the move is part of concerted efforts Abu Dhabi has been taking for quite some time to raise its regional and global profile – moves that are supposed to give Abu Dhabi a competitive advantage over both its allies and its rivals – especially Saudi Arabia, which is in the middle of a state sponsored rapid social and economic transformation to make Riyadh the centre of regional political and economic activity challenging – and potentially replacing – Dubai’s dominance.

From the look of that power play cited above, we can expect accidents, assassinations, Erdogan madness Israeli hit squads and much more.
Given the times, I would like to see MBS in a chopper accident.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:57 utc | 194

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:45 utc | 191
In principle, one should not dismiss paper tigers. “Money makes the world go around”, and in 21-st century, money is paper. But with trillions of USDs and Euroes thrown into circulation with no support in proportional circulation of goods, yuan and ruble look better, and the teeth made of USDs are softer.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 10:00 utc | 195

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 9:49 utc | 192
It is worse than that, the defecting polish soldier claimed in an interview that refugees have been assassinated by interior ministry personnel, plus some polish soldier that refused to participate plus some volunteers that were trying to help the refugees. Hard to tell -like with anything else in the middle of the info war we are in- but if true it is really telling about polish “democracy”. You can do a machine translation to read about it.
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7303171.html

Posted by: Paco | Dec 18 2021 10:42 utc | 196

Posted by: Paco | Dec 18 2021 10:42 utc | 196
Sorry for not using machine translation, in a simple text I can follow 99%, which is better that machine results. I cited Polish-language website with German owners that caters to Polish readers, and is attractive mostly because it puts no restrictions on comments (perhaps filters out those with “bad words” without dots, but you can see comments in all directions).
“Solidarity with Ukraine” is not popular at all. Dislike of Ukrainians tops Russophobia. Internally, the Polish have a deeply troubling split, with a lot of hatred. Hatred of “others” like refugees and “leftists” is the ideology of the current government, so the bloody stories of the defectors are more believable than they would be otherwise. It is not easy to explain who the hated “leftists” are, the words that are used are “lewak”, a term used by Communist for “leftist deviation”, i.e. Trotskists, but currently used for anyone who approves abortion, LGBT, “ecologists”, EU institutions etc. In that climate, killing some lewaks and refugees seems possible.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 11:32 utc | 197

james @ 166
i tend to be drawn towards music with strong melodies, or with some underlying element of healing to it
Interesting comment…you should quantify it. In the piece I linked to, from about the 3 minute mark, or even more so from the 4 minute mark and some fleeting seconds, these guys achieve a synchronicity which describes the very essence of the healing power of music. Much like the second wind for an athlete, or the higher consciousness achieved by the successful meditator, though in a sense even greater, because it’s a collective effort.

Posted by: john | Dec 18 2021 11:33 utc | 198

@james: I’ve been fond of Gordon Lightfoot since the 60s “Bitter Green”, and Bruce Cockburn since the 80s. Had most all their stuff at one time, now all ripped to MP3.
I think of them as old style blue collar troubadors, as style not very popular these days.
About 15 years ago I lost 99% of hearing in my right ear (left is still good at 76, but monaural), and hence my appreciation for music (no stereo! it was like the 50s again).
So anyway, that was a bummer.
But I find it has returned (appreciation, not the ear), and it makes a great Xmas present from reality that I can listen to old mix tapes on old tape players and CDs and such.
Things can still get better.
Thank you for sharing about what you do.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 18 2021 12:47 utc | 199

@ john | Dec 18 2021 11:33 utc | 198… hi john… i am only stating my own subjective view on what i like… i think what might be viewed as healing for one person could be viewed as poison for another… i am not expert on any of this and i wasn’t speaking to the link you shared specifically either…cheers..
Bemildred | Dec 18 2021 12:47 utc | 199… thanks bemildred…. i am sorry about the hearing loss that happened some time ago.. i have lost some hearing from playing drums my whole life and playing especially loud music in my teens and 20’s that i never thought about at the time… fortunately my hearing is still intact, although i know i have lost some for sure.. bruce cockburn came on the seen for me in my late teens, although i have been listening to lightfoot from the car radio much before.. i never got to see him live, but a number of my friends did.. blue collar troubadors sounds about right! cockburn did branch out somewhat into pop rock with his hit ‘rocket launcher’.. he was quite successful for a time and not sure what has happened to him..
we have 1 inch of snow on the ground here and rain… everything is turning to slush… no shortage of rain on the westcoast of b.c. this fall..

Posted by: james | Dec 18 2021 17:56 utc | 200