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December 15, 2021
Open Thread 2021-98
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james | Dec 16 2021 18:33 utc | 96 Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 101 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2021 18:48 utc | 98 Posted by: Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 102 Posted by: james | Dec 16 2021 18:33 utc | 96 Posted by: Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:32 utc | 103 Everyone feels safe when reading that “Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction: Posted by: Julie | Dec 16 2021 19:57 utc | 104 As per the document just mentioned, “A booster dose of the COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen (0.5 mL) may be administered as a heterologous Posted by: Julie | Dec 16 2021 20:02 utc | 105 Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 15 2021 18:18 utc | 1 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 16 2021 20:25 utc | 106 Posted by: Bruised Northerner @ 79 Posted by: Paul | Dec 16 2021 20:35 utc | 107 @61 oneman Posted by: Grieved | Dec 16 2021 20:42 utc | 108 @ james with the link to his group doing Gordon Lightfoot music as jazz Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2021 21:39 utc | 109 ahji @ 85, in general I do agree with your post, but I am not one to favor medication over masking, if the latter can be presented postively, which you haven’t done. I’m a senior and used to thinking for myself and I suspect many teenagers like the security of a mask, feel somewhat daring wearing one — I base that on my teenage grandchildren as when I feel it would be safe not to do so, often they don’t. Here is my feeling about maskwearing – I believe it ought to be encouraged as a way of feeling safe, especially for adults, with medications on hand should symptoms develop. Posted by: juliania | Dec 16 2021 21:56 utc | 110 There is a growing movement of high profile independent MP’s and candidates in Australia, like whistleblower, Andrew Wilkie MP. This is from today’s paywalled AFR. Posted by: Paul | Dec 16 2021 22:15 utc | 111 – From the official Chinese statement on yesterday’s summit. Some excerpts. Posted by: D.G. | Dec 16 2021 22:46 utc | 112 @Ian (62)
Yeah, just wanted to clarify. Posted by: joey_n | Dec 16 2021 23:03 utc | 113 Bayer/Monsanto sucks again in Hawaii.
Guillotine quality executives reign supreme and the fakery US EPA comes along AFTER to issue petty fines and whitewash. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:00 utc | 114 Grieved #108
I hope to see this cleanup and I trust they adopt the Dalek mantra: ‘Exterminate’. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 0:16 utc | 115 uncle tungsten @114– @julia Posted by: ahji | Dec 17 2021 0:57 utc | 117 NS2 certification to be delayed forever, Well, only 6-7 months for the second delay, which will likely be followed by a third as the Germans decide to cut their own throat. Thanks to whoever posted this news initially, but I really must comment on the utter idiocy of this decision. As we’ve discussed here, Russia won’t be hurt whatsoever by however long the delay lasts. Since its going to be at least 7 months, Gazprom should empty the tube and send it down NS1, which is kept at 50% capacity by the same Dummkopfs. The perils of living in Australia’s inner city urban jungle….. you never know what will crawl out from under a rock as Australia’s oldest newspaper, The Betoota Advocate, points out: Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 1:09 utc | 119 118 Cont’d– @ karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 0:43 utc | 116 with the link to the cyberspace part of our civilization war…..thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 1:25 utc | 121
Paul | Dec 16 2021 11:17 utc | 69: In most nations, one cannot advance in any government position without passing the Zio test. Posted by: Ian2 | Dec 17 2021 1:44 utc | 122 Posted by: Ian2 @ 122 Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 3:18 utc | 123 @ Paco | Dec 16 2021 19:32 utc | 103.. thanks paco… the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald was fun to play and the drum solo works to recreate the vibe of a ship going down… lightfoot was a bit of a musical historian and this was one of a number of songs he did to reflect his interest in real events happening at the time.. black day in july and canadian railroad trilogy are another few that quickly come to mind… he’s a canadian musical icon, but outside, i am not sure how familiar people are of his music… bob dylan was a big fan and that would have helped.. Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 3:26 utc | 124 Indian Punchline’s take on the Xi-Putin talks: Posted by: Robert Macaire | Dec 17 2021 4:18 utc | 125 “Where are the prison sentences for all these crimes that are far more injurious to humans than Julian Assange’s journalism.” Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 17 2021 4:31 utc | 126 Here I am with yet another zerohedge link. When I step away from the interwebs, whether for five minutes or at the long end, an hour, I routinely and pyschotically check zerohedge for all that I missed in the proceeding five minutes. Right now, I am waiting for the telltale sign of war breaking out between NATO and Ru in Ukraine. I am thinking that NATO and Turkey-aided drone strikes, the same advisors there who aided Azerbaijan, of the Russians in the East. Perhaps we haven’t seen it yet because those in Donbas have had years to dig in w/ Russia flooding the fighters with ATGMs. Maybe they have also been given/supplied tech that scrambles drones? Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 17 2021 4:34 utc | 127 @108 more… Posted by: Grieved | Dec 17 2021 5:18 utc | 128 The Truth Behind The Lies- Dr. Peter McCullough. 22 minute interview Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 17 2021 5:41 utc | 129 IMO this is the best interview done with Dr McCullough (1 hr 13 minutes) Covid: The Path not Taken – DarkHorse Podcast with Dr. Peter McCullough Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 17 2021 5:48 utc | 130 Grieved and Perimetr et al Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:19 utc | 131 The paragraph starting “On September 2, 2009…” should be in quotes. Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:21 utc | 132 For those MoA barflies out there keeping track of the axis lineup there is the posting below from Xinhuanet Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 6:33 utc | 133 re corporations… Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 6:35 utc | 134 And then there is the posting below from Xinhuanet show outright “bribery” by China/snark Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2021 6:36 utc | 135 For Australian barflies, re ‘the Lange case’ in the High Court of Australia and the ‘implied right of free speech’ Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 7:37 utc | 136 ABC TV, Australia’s iconic Artist John Olsen on ‘Australian Story’ video, enjoy: Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 10:09 utc | 137 More obsequious groveling in NSW. Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2021 10:36 utc | 138 They were certainly under total control by judicial and .gov agents, weren’t they? with just some fiat-money fine? If that’s all it was, then our leading, evil intentioned, secret movers and shakers sure blew an opportunity to have them do ANYTHING as a favor for their wrist-slap-wink-wink “punishment” of a 1+ $billion fine…and who is to know who/where that $ ultimately landed. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 11:39 utc | 139 A draft has been presented, under the following title: Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 13:02 utc | 140 The numpties of the EU are looking so inept at this point WRT their threats Posted by: JPC | Dec 17 2021 13:05 utc | 141 For your consideration: Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 17 2021 13:21 utc | 142 Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, Dr. Karen Donfried will travel to Kyiv, [Reuters, Dec. 1x] Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 14:08 utc | 143 sorry for any undue psychological harm my spelling mistake may have cause. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 14:26 utc | 144 Richard Stephen Hack is posting on The Saker, Pepe Escobar’s latest piece. Posted by: migueljose | Dec 17 2021 14:28 utc | 145 “Of the 30,000 people who have received a booster shot in Iceland, only 10 have contracted COVID, around 0.03%. Of the 270,000-280,000 that are fully vaccinated, 4,500 people have contracted COVID, around 1.6%. Iceland’s Chief Epidemiologist stated there is strong evidence that booster shots could create herd immunity in Iceland.” Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 14:38 utc | 146 James, Posted by: David F | Dec 17 2021 14:40 utc | 147 @144 “,,,,then the masks are dropped and a horrible feast begins.” Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 15:05 utc | 148 Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 14:38 utc | 146 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2021 15:05 utc | 149 I suspect that Karen and Konstantin may be the same person. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 16:20 utc | 151 Sorry for the all caps, it is a copy/paste. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 17 2021 16:26 utc | 152 This has just popped up on Reuters. One or the other? Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 17 2021 16:35 utc | 153 james @ 43 Posted by: john | Dec 17 2021 16:39 utc | 154 China’s railway system complementing BRI continues to expand. Here’s the latest update, “China-Nepal freight train service launched, links Qinghai, Kathmandu”. The photo at the article’s header is awesome, sorta similar to the terrain heading out of Salt Lake City into Wyoming but on a grander scale. The stats cited also provide a clue as to where all those missing shipping containers went: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2021 17:16 utc | 155 Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 17:41 utc | 156 Paco @140– Paco @156– Omicron “panic” in the UK: “Nightclubs in Wales must close from Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 18:17 utc | 159 China readies itself for the arrival of Burns as Outlaw US Empire Ambassador to China, “US sees Burns off with 3 attacks against China”: “, surely nobody will be more deserving of a Peace Nobel Prize than Xi and Putin.” Posted by: D.G. | Dec 17 2021 18:23 utc | 161 … When I was growing up, I drank the pages of The National Geographic, which provided a unique intoxication. … Posted by: tucenz | Dec 17 2021 18:27 utc | 162 An article appears at the top of USAToday site (subscribers only) and Yahoo home page (free) with the headline “Full vaccination against COVID-19 and a breakthrough infection builds ‘super immunity,’ study finds” sometime in the morning on 2021/12/17.
I am neither a scientist nor a statistician but is it a valid claim with only 26 samples in the “test” group?! Posted by: LuRenJia | Dec 17 2021 18:38 utc | 163 @162 The days when schoolboys depended on National Geographic to learn about female anatomy. Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 18:38 utc | 164 Finnian Cunningham sees nothing good coming from Germany’s new government: @ David F | Dec 17 2021 14:40 utc | 147.. thanks david! Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 18:43 utc | 166 Apparently countries that have used the Chinese vaccine in majority (UAE, Morocco, Turkey…) did not have much problems in the recent months. Posted by: Julie | Dec 17 2021 18:48 utc | 167 tucenz @162 & dh @164– @168 I suppose NG got away with tribal nudity in the name of Science. Probably didn’t hurt sales either. Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 19:02 utc | 169 james @ 43 Posted by: juliania | Dec 17 2021 19:24 utc | 170 very tangential and the thread is likely dead anyway, but i’m pretty sure karlof1 was implying that “tribal nudity” is normal Posted by: Rae | Dec 17 2021 19:32 utc | 171 dh @169– @173 Nudity is a large subject and I’m no expert. I suspect it was missionaries who thought ‘native’ people should cover their private parts. Adam and Eve walked around naked by all accounts and it lead them into temptation. Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 21:05 utc | 174 karlof1 #120
Frankly,IMO, the thought of Europeans rising up is a least probability. Higher probability is lots of covid hysteria defying gatherings of people huddled together in tight spaces to keep warm. They will likely all then end up in crowded cells and court rooms etc. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 21:24 utc | 175 Thanks your contributions. Posted by: chu teh | Dec 17 2021 21:33 utc | 176 @173 Re-reading your post it occurs to me that you are probably talking about the concept of shame. Why are some people comfortable with public nudity where others are embarrassed? People have been covering their bodies long before big factories started producing clothes so shame is either instilled in us or we develop it ourselves. Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 22:06 utc | 177 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 21:24 utc | 175 Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2021 22:12 utc | 178 On covering bodies with cloth or skins. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2021 22:14 utc | 179 @179 Protection would certainly be a factor and there are obvious reasons for dressing up in cold climates. But I believe the Kalahari bush people wore only the minimum as did/do remote tribes in the Amazon and Papua New Guinea. Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2021 22:42 utc | 180 @ juliania | Dec 17 2021 19:24 utc | 170 Posted by: james | Dec 17 2021 22:48 utc | 181 I see the zip has escaped from the topic but I’ll add that here in the Pacific Northwest first peoples fashioned fashions from tree bark–western red cedar was the favored species–that was long lived and very practical–and most importantly, waterproof. But the Lewis & Clark troop refused to wear the native dress while their animal skins moldered and melted in the region’s rains. @182 Was there a topic? Personally I find this a relief from Ukraine, Taiwan and virus variants. I can’t somehow see native Americans going back to cedar bark. They seem to prefer pick-up trucks and Big Macs. Posted by: dh | Dec 18 2021 0:45 utc | 183 @130 Perimetr Posted by: Grieved | Dec 18 2021 0:52 utc | 184 @dh Posted by: Platero | Dec 18 2021 1:57 utc | 185 “human-on-a-chip” Posted by: Platero | Dec 18 2021 1:58 utc | 186 @185 If you think anti-vaxxers were a problem wait till they hear about homuncular endocrine modulation. Posted by: dh | Dec 18 2021 2:10 utc | 187 Just because China does damn near everything better than the US, Posted by: Cadence calls | Dec 18 2021 5:17 utc | 188 Below is a link to a posting by Pepe Escobar at The Cradle Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2021 5:40 utc | 189 @ waynorinorway | Dec 16 2021 19:15 utc | 101 Posted by: james | Dec 18 2021 6:27 utc | 190 Trade between Myanmar and China increasingly settles in Chinese Yuan and the US can shove their paper tiger $ up their rs.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:45 utc | 191 Some news: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 9:49 utc | 192 Editorial from India’s no.1 ex-communist newspaper called “the Hindu”: “Any offer from Russia to play the facilitator in talks (of India) with China must be scrutinised closely” : Posted by: Antonym | Dec 18 2021 9:53 utc | 193 United Arab Emirates fancies itself as the top Arab dealmaker and is examining French made bone saws rather than US imitations. NEO has a fine report by Salman Rafi Sheikh on the maneuvers.
From the look of that power play cited above, we can expect accidents, assassinations, Erdogan madness Israeli hit squads and much more. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:57 utc | 194 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2021 9:45 utc | 191 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 10:00 utc | 195 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 9:49 utc | 192 Posted by: Paco | Dec 18 2021 10:42 utc | 196 Posted by: Paco | Dec 18 2021 10:42 utc | 196 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 18 2021 11:32 utc | 197 james @ 166 Posted by: john | Dec 18 2021 11:33 utc | 198 @james: I’ve been fond of Gordon Lightfoot since the 60s “Bitter Green”, and Bruce Cockburn since the 80s. Had most all their stuff at one time, now all ripped to MP3. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 18 2021 12:47 utc | 199 @ john | Dec 18 2021 11:33 utc | 198… hi john… i am only stating my own subjective view on what i like… i think what might be viewed as healing for one person could be viewed as poison for another… i am not expert on any of this and i wasn’t speaking to the link you shared specifically either…cheers.. Posted by: james | Dec 18 2021 17:56 utc | 200 |
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