migueljose | Dec 11 2021 14:19 utc | 153
“What is really worrying is to see David justifying this on Flow with the idea that you can’t rely on the State for social transformation. To see a federal congressman use such a depoliticized line of thinking borders on the ridiculous. Why is he a congressman then?”
Magnificent and valuable understanding there!. So I repeat link:
https://www.brasilwire.com/greenwalds-embarrassing-public-spat-with-brazilian-union/

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 11 2021 21:43 utc | 203

William Gruff | Dec 11 2021 15:53 utc | 159
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…but conceptualizing things at that scale requires a deep paradigm shift for those steeped in classical physics. It takes a bit of a leap to let go of the notion that electrons are tiny vibrating marbles and then conceptualizing them from a quantum perspective….
Excellent way to introduce new understanding of the way things work!
For added awakening-power, i reccomend Charles A. Lindbergh’s where he tells, unedited by others, what happened during his 22nd hour of 1927 flight to Paris…the “phantoms” have communication with CAL wherein they discuss content that CAL states was lot posssible in more “human” circumstances…and was helpful re his navigation, etc. NOTE this was first mention of such…abt 24 years after the flight! The topic was apparently too” sensitive” for earlier publication…and was even later totally omitted in Hollywood’s film version. [CAL’s flight log was stolen at Le Bourget airport and this book, 23 years later is CAL’s own reconstruction hour-by-hour.]

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 11 2021 22:13 utc | 205

@ Juliania 184
It comes from a short poem entitled:
Как у облака на краю. It’s quite a story, it was a meeting that changed her life, and his. Put very crudely, where does Russia begin? I’ll elaborate tomorrow.

Posted by: Montreal | Dec 11 2021 22:22 utc | 207

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 11 2021 21:41 utc | 197
Quantum computing idea is based on certain simplifications of the laws of quantum mechanics. Systems made of elementary particles have behavior that can be predicted in a normal or statistical way, e.g. you send photons from a source to a circular whole, and put photo-sensitive materials at some distance from the whole. You can’t predict where each individual photon will go, but you can predict the image created on the photosensitive material. This is perhaps the simplest possible system, single particle, and even a high school student can calculate the shape and size of the image.
Complexity rises rapidly with the number of particles, but presumably we can reduce it by restricting their initial states and what they do later. Nevertheless, however clever our ways to reduce the complexity are, we deal not with proofs but heuristics, so the issue what happens when we have enough qubits to factors large numbers is open: it requires experimental confirmation.
For this kind of reasons, quantum computing and controlled energy sources using nuclear fissions are possible conceptually, but we cannot predict if and when they will be realized.
BTW, is liquid nitrogen sufficient to cool quantum circuits? After all, nitrogen freezes at about 60 K degrees, and it could a scorching heat for the fragile qubits. Hydrogen freezes at 14 K, perhaps this is what is needed. Or helium that does not freeze at all at normal pressure (but is hard to make liquid). Of course, even liquid nitrogen is not delivered to private homes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 11 2021 22:40 utc | 209

@Piotr Berman #203
Read what I posted earlier: quantum computers and entanglement both involve near 0 Kelvin temperatures. They start at +4 K and go colder from there.
So no, liquid nitrogen will NOT work.
Equally, your conception of qubits is incorrect. This isn’t about trading electrons – it is more about the Heisenberg principle as applied to observation: which in this case is that the indeterminate state of a qubit between its 3 possible states collapses to a single one to arrive a solution.
William Gruff has demonstrated little, if any, actual understanding of either the principles of quantum mechanics or hands-on familiarity with how the existing technology works in principle, much less in reality.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 11 2021 22:53 utc | 211

@Piotr Berman, 66

Are vaccine blamed “by association”?

The experimental treatments were called “vaccines” as a marketing tool to persuade people to take the injections which they would have refused if they had known the treatments was based on gene therapy technology (see the speech of Stefan Oelrich of Bayer AG(at around 8.22mins ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBmVwuv0Qc
Regarding the effect on the innate immune system of the experimental treatments, the following clip is a GP showing the disturbing Immune system testing results for one of his patients – https://www.bitchute.com/video/qqRZadV9TWDX/
This article looks at the effect of the experimental treatments on the adaptive immune system
https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/article/what-explains-rising-cases-among-the-vaccinated

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 11 2021 23:14 utc | 213

Well interesting couple of hours and learnt about the Empires MO, Canada, US, Media Narratives, Haiti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, South America, MENA and General Wesley Clark spilling the beans on the 7 countries in 5 years plan fermented on 920 and Elijah Magnier too! He is ace.
Amateurs using Zoom and YouTube to bypass MSM that won’t have them spoiling the Narratives but brilliant content.
By Daniella Bien-Amie; Hatian blogger & founder of Bienamiepost.com, Margaret Kimberly: Executive Editor of Black Agenda Report, Veteran War Journalist Elijah Magnier, Nebiyu Asfaw; Co-founder of the Ethiopian American Development Council and Eritrean organizer Simon Tesfamariam discuss how mainstream media is lying about what the U.S. is doing abroad.
https://youtu.be/911JW_u_hYM

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 12 2021 0:12 utc | 215

karlof1 @193
I do remember the TV show “Quantum Leap”. That was from before I purged TV watching. The premise was based upon one potential interpretation of quantum physics which tries to resolve the paradoxes resulting from quantum superposition. Basically Schrödinger’s cat is both dead and alive at the same time because the universe has, at the moment the superposition state was established, split into two parallel universes with the difference between them being that in one the cat was alive and in the other the cat was dead.
Naturally there are problems with this interpretation. Since quantum superposition states occur in nature at pretty much the rate of one per Planck unit of time the number of parallel universes grows at an exponential rate very, very fast. There would quickly be vastly more parallel universes than there are atoms in any given universe. Still, that model is useful for getting a (very rough) idea of how quantum computers work.
Let’s say you are trying to find a cryptographic hash composed of the product of two prime numbers. You pick two prime numbers pretty much at random and process them to see if they give you your hash. This is the brute force approach and might take hundreds of millions of years to come up with the two that give you your hash. Now, with the huge plethora of parallel universes that the model above implies we can assume that at the moment you chose your random prime numbers that parallel versions of you chose different random prime numbers in parallel. In one of those universes the parallel you would have gotten “lucky” and chosen the correct two prime numbers the first time. While a traditional digital computer will use an algorithm to crank through the possibilities one after another in a deterministic fashion looking for the solution, the quantum computer collapses the superposition state of the problem and yields the solution that the “lucky” you arrived at elsewhere in the multiverse all in one step.
Of course, this is just a crude model that leverages ideas presented in a TV show, but it should help to highlight that quantum computers are not just a twist on conventional computers that happen to be really super fast. Rather, quantum computers are capable of seemingly performing practically infinite computations in parallel and thus arriving at the solution after a single cycle through the algorithm. Quantum processors are a little different from conventional processors in that way. They are “spooky” like that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 12 2021 1:09 utc | 217

There was a little know but heavy border clash between China and India in 1967 at Sikkim passes, during the “Cultural” Revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes
Dozens of deadly casualties, more on Chinese side. Sikkim became an Indian state in 1975. In 2003, China indirectly recognized Sikkim as an Indian state, on agreement that India accept that the Tibet Autonomous Region as a part of China, though India had already done so back in 1953

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 12 2021 2:04 utc | 219

Today in the world of completely unnecessary and obnoxious corporate greed:
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/12/toyota-requires-a-subscription-to-use-remote-start-function-from-keyfob-after-trial-period/
I’ve heard similar about BMW and other ‘luxury’ makes for a while, but a fuckin’ subscription to use your remote start key fob seems like a new low to me. Probably won’t take too long for someone to hack, though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 12 2021 2:15 utc | 221

@james
That’s me on the imgur website. They’re so hopelessly « dem » that I couldn’t help myself. I’ve found my Hobby.
That’s my third « article ». I think I’m getting better and better.
I’m presently on a new trolling angle. Practicing my writing. As a musician, I’m a singer.

Posted by: Featherless | Dec 12 2021 2:38 utc | 223

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 12 2021 2:17 utc | 216 with the example of profit motive excesses like subscription for heated seats
LOL!!
I had heated seats in my 1986 Volvo 760 turbo station-wagon and it was nice in the winter.
The point I want to make with this is that subscription value is like leases in a way and that whole pay-as-you-use view of things provides a connection I think works, or should work in our society, for things like property….similar to what China is doing.
So, while I think it is “stupid” for heated seats to be a subscription product, it does make people think about paying more directly for specific things on a pay-as-you-use basis…..one of the problems that still remains is to include all the social/economic externalities in the cost/price….and other bigger picture considerations
But first is to get the profit motive out of the equation of provision of some things like FOOD, shelter, health care, education, communication, ??? and whatever else fits the MIXED ECONOMY model that has been around since Roman times for our socio-economic group.
I don’t see us going tribal but some adult understanding needs to develop about how societies work and could work from a cultural anthropological context. The Dawn of Everything – A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow that I have reported on recently points out how in both North and South America the patriarchal/monotheistic mix of bases of social power, which they define as control of violence, control of information (with bureaucracy being a secondary to this) and individual charisma, do not stay in the patriarchal/monotheistic mode but spend more time in non-hierarchical and/or “egalitarian” mixes of social power. Some even switched back and forth between patriarchy and matriarchy on seasonal or part time regularity.
We don’t have to be stuck with this God of Mammon shit show cult of social organization and its existence is being threatened existentially so maybe we will see a shift back towards a more equitably shared society….I just want to live long enough to see some hint of the potential evolutionary direction taken through this period.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2021 3:03 utc | 225

On perhaps a more positive note there is the Forbes link provided below about an organization called OpenTheBooks.com and their US national efforts
California Is The Only State To Hide Its Spending — Nearly $300 Billion A Year
The take away quote
”
Last year, our organization filed 40,500 Freedom of Information Act requests — the most in American history. We captured vendor expenditure “checkbooks” in the other 49 states, within 13,000 local governments, and at the federal level. Citizens can see all vendor payments — in addition to 25 million public employee salaries and retirement pension payments — on our website, OpenTheBooks.com.
It should not take a subpoena or a lawsuit to force open the state payment records.
Since 2013, our organization at OpenTheBooks.com has invited the California controller to join the transparency revolution and produce line-by-line state spending. Today, our lawyers at non-profit public interest firm Cause of Action, in Washington, D.C. represent us.
It is time to let the sun shine on California state spending.
”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2021 3:43 utc | 227

I once thought about joining a doctoral program in labor economics when I was working for Washing State Republican Governor, Dan Evans, doing CETA program management. My thesis would have used my recent education and experiential understanding about labor market history to develop some structured textual collage of ranting against the top/bottom social structure we have now.
I am glad I never went down that path but it remains a passion of mine to explain how what we think of as work has a much more storied past, and hopeful future.
The impetus for this comment is a ZH posting about Kellogg announcing it will replace the 1400 union employees that have been on strike since October.
This is a long running ploy by multinational corporations that has been used since before Nixon opened to China….because Japan labor wasn’t cheap enough anymore, but I digress. The protest signage in the posting talks about moving jobs to Mexico…
Moving the jobs anywhere is not going to fix the structural problem of the thin edge of profit driving international labor utilization, from the top down instead of a bottom up form of social organization; that is one that focuses on the needs of the people, instead of profit, and establishes minimums of social responsibility and support of and by governments…..this sort of social structure was seen as radical 50+ years ago when I was studying the future and I don’t see us as any closer to that goal but feel much more comfortable that it is a possibility than ever before. China is providing examples of the various way that government can support its people and the West doesn’t have to copy those examples but needs to break out of the top/bottom jackboot stupidity we are currently living, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2021 5:48 utc | 229

@karlof1 | Dec 12 2021 6:09 utc | 224

When I first commented about China’s advances in quantum computing @3 years ago, I was extremely excited about the prospects and remain so.

Be careful about not confusing science with belief systems. This is the exact reason why we have landed in deep trouble and are being criminally exploited by ruthless people about “climate change” and “covid”. Impressive terminology around “quantum computing” does not mean anything unless it predicts something new and repeated experiments confirm such predictions consistently on a practical level.
For any hypothesis to be scientific, it must make new predictions and an experiment or observation must exist that confirms the predictions and does not have alternative/simpler explanations. A hypothesis that turns out to disagree with experiment is still science, but if there is no experiment that can be used to potentially falsify/confirm its predictions it is not science and falls in the category “not even wrong”.
Feynman – The Key to Science

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 12 2021 8:42 utc | 231

@67 Karlof01
African cup of Nations is in cameroon in january. let’s wait and see how many players go down

Posted by: stephen | Dec 12 2021 10:09 utc | 233

Amusing tweet linked to by ‘Rev Kev’ on a site frequented by some barflies here
– regards, “Doubly Vaxxed spudski” (formerly known as “Fully Vaxxed spudski”)
Pfizer Loyalty Card

Posted by: spudski | Dec 12 2021 10:37 utc | 235

Tom_Q_Collins @214: “Once you get good enough at the math (and it involves literally every type of math), you can start accepting some of the more bizarre tenets.”
Precisely. You cannot use normal intuition to grasp quantum mechanics. You must approach it from math. When someone tries to use traditional physics sensibilities to understand QM they end up with the tiny marble electron model and thinking that quantum tunneling is just that marble getting excited and forcing its way through semiconductors that it normally wouldn’t make it through; thinking that quantum processors are just like regular processors but with a different kind of switch than a transistor. For such people the reality of quantum processors seems like “magic” so they dismiss it and insist upon trying to use their traditional macro scale intuition to understand what is happening at the quantum scale. That is literally impossible and even the smartest people in the world cannot do it. You must approach quantum physics from math.
Note that there are millions of Chinese kids who are really good at math. More importantly there are millions of Chinese kids growing up in a hardcore pro-science environment that is swimming in enthusiasm and optimism. No small number are willing to do the long and difficult struggle through the foundational maths to get themselves to the frontiers of human comprehension and push those frontiers outward.
[Aside: Contrast with American kids slouching in the classrooms with their practiced slack and jaded personas and their chief concerns being a fixation on their own fragile emotional states. Poor American kids lack the drive to face the long and difficult struggle of taking a pencil and notebook from their backpacks at the beginning of class, much less focusing their attention for half an hour to comprehend a new (to them) concept. Poor kids have no chance of making it anywhere near the frontiers of human understanding]
The most popular fiction genre in China today is sci-fi. Not syfy or psy-fi or some other flabby “soft science” fantasy bullshit but rather the good ol` hard science fiction like what used to be popular in the US in the post WWII period. This preference in and of itself doesn’t get China anywhere but it tells you where China is at right now and where they intend to be going.
The young people who are driving humanity’s next technological revolutions are just getting warmed up right now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 12 2021 12:45 utc | 237

Norwegian @225
The Chinese are confident enough with the results of their quantum physics research that they launched a satellite (Micius) to test super long range quantum entanglement. That’s a big investment to test something that might just be superstition.
I’d say there is good reason to be excited.
Needless to say the quantum entanglement experiments with that satellite were a huge success.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 12 2021 13:06 utc | 239

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2021 5:48 utc | 223
“The impetus for this comment is a ZH posting about Kellogg announcing it will replace the 1400 union employees that have been on strike since October.”
I saw a similar thing in Rockford IL school district, around 2004 give or take. The area was rust belt, like Ohio, Gary, IN, Detroit, all were strong union towns in the 50s and 60s. The school board recruited and hired a freshly retired army colonel to come in and play Rambo with the gangs and “whiney” union loving stafff. He couldn’t beat up the teachers but he did get the janitors. They went on strike when their contract was up, Rambo guy immediately agreed to the contract, then eliminated their positions and hired “illegals” out of Chicago to clean up buildings. It was a mess and to this day I carry the guilt of not doing more to back the janitors. Coal barons did the same thing 100 years ago when they brought in poor Black southern strike breakers.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 12 2021 13:23 utc | 241

Stabilized entanglement of massive mechanical oscillators
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29695847/
There has been interest in demonstrating the entanglement of macroscopic-scale objects.
(I also recall one done with diamonds.)
I have puzzled over homeopathy, how the heck can it work?
I am pragmatic and use an allergy (pollen) spray that is homeopathic. It works.
Could entanglement be involved?
From Wiki on Homeopathy:
“In this process, the selected substance is repeatedly diluted until the final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent. Often not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product.
Between each dilution homeopaths may hit and/or shake the product, claiming this makes the diluent remember the original substance after its removal. Practitioners claim that such preparations, upon oral intake, can treat or cure disease”.

Posted by: librul | Dec 12 2021 13:34 utc | 243

@237 The placebo effect is a hell of a drug….
I would look into several more plausible hypotheses before hypothesizing about ‘water memory’. For example, as the market for homeopathy (at least in the US) is not highly regulated, it is possible these formulations actually do contain active compounds. Unless someone reports an adverse affect or unless you happen to have a mass spec sitting around at home, who is going to bother to look for loratadine being snuck into the formula?
You also need to consider that all water on Earth has been in contact with all sorts of compounds before homeopaths got their hands on it and decided to dilute. Therefore, that water would have memory of all sorts of pesticides, toxins, hormones, heavy metals, etc. So in the absence of generating water de novo through joining naive hydrogen molecules with naive oxygen molecules, how would you get rid of the memory of every other atom and molecule ever encountered by that molecule? And why would water be privileged? Shouldn’t the quantum memory also be held by hydrogen and oxygen molecules? And thus we would have the memory of everything hydrogen has ever encountered….going back 15 billion years or whatever. And then if we continue down this path, wouldn’t every molecule of water in your body already have “memories” from whatever they encountered in the past? And so presumably they’d have memory of positive molecules they have encountered. But they’d also have negative memories. So you would therefore need to dose based on the ratio of positive/negative molecular interactions. To do this, you would need to have perfect knowledge of the history of every water molecule in both the subject’s body and the formulation. And then you would have to do some pretty complicated dilution math each and every time you took a dose (that means every time you eat or drink, your ratio of good to bad molecular memories would change).
So what then? Do we therefore propose that water “memory” decays with time, such that only the most recent interactions are remembered? But then we encounter another problem…at some point the water’s most recent memory would be the dilution vessel and dilution instrument, and then whatever vessel the water in packaged into. That vessel is almost always glass. And that glass is almost always going to contain metals. And so you’re really taking the “memory” of lead or cadmium or something. Or, worse still, if the bottle has a plastic dropper, then you’re getting the memory of plastic. So you’re taking petrochemicals. Or does the water know that it’s supposed to retain the compound of interest memory but can exclude heavy metals or plastics? And the reality is that if you tested that water you could detect the micro plastics and the metals in measurable quantities, so you’re never taking some magically pure water to begin with (and that even assumes the manufacturer could even get 100% pure water when they began the dilution process).
By all means keep taking it if it helps, but I would contend it is the very powerful, real, and measurable power of your mind to direct healing in the body and not the memory of water.

Posted by: Krungle | Dec 12 2021 14:17 utc | 245

wishing you full recovery by Christmas

Posted by: Fadi | Dec 12 2021 15:56 utc | 247

re memory…and sci-fi
There was and is some recognition that scf-fi, which is inherently plausible by definition and not pure fantasy, has memory/memories as source.
And memory has no clear ownership. It has been described as both fleeting and restless.
As a word,”memory” in any language, is where dictionaries stumble.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 12 2021 16:52 utc | 249

William Gruff @248–
Yes, mind over body does work; that’s how I finally kicked the tobacco habit. Agree with China’s kids and where they’re going math-wise. Funny how none of the Star Trek or Star Wars franchises have Asians as engineers.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2021 18:03 utc | 251

I used to run cross country . . . that is one way to get lots of oxygen into your body. I suppose that is not hyperventilating but I was in the best shape of my life in those days.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 12 2021 18:09 utc | 253

Posted by: Jen | Dec 11 2021 20:03 utc | 179
Who wrote:
“I would add to Paul’s comment @ 173 that a major reason why local governments in Sydney and NSW are corrupt is that political parties infiltrate local govt by sponsoring candidates for election. Such candidates, once elected, can be open to bribes from property developers.
The Land and Environment Court is hardly innocent either. The council where I worked for 3 years over 20 years ago was frequently challenged by private developers over decisions to knock back DAs on environmental grounds. In nearly every case where this happened, the LEC supported the developers and Council had to pay their costs. The bills that came in were huge. Ratepayers grumbled about paying high rates for poor infrastructure and nearly non-existent services in a supposedly rich part of Sydney but if they saw where their money was going, they would have marched on the LEC with their game consoles, joysticks and Subs instead.”
Jen, I would add that local government in NSW is the school where corruption begins with both elected councillors and council planning and compliance staff. Then they are promoted to state or federal government.
The uniparty apart from pretending to be opposed to each other are also factionalised within their own parties. They are really in cahoots with each other because councils have become a marketplace for the exchanging of ‘favours.’
The Liberal Party enrols whole church groups to advance their internal factional battles, it’s called branch stacking, then favours are given to members. Think of the Brethren Church for example.
Developers and other proponents make legal or illegal ‘donations’ to political parties for more favours.
In my opinion Hawkesbury Council is one of the worst :
http://www.hawkesburycouncilintegritywatch.org/about-hciw/
Have a look at Tuscany Foods and links on the HCIW site as a textbook case study of corruption. How else can over 80 thousand tons of 2-45 – T&D, dioxin and asbestos contaminated soil be dumped above a waterway that feeds Sydney’s market gardens, Currency Creek? Multi million $ were made. Don’t wait for the Greens to rock the boat either. Council should cement the whole site to prevent any more run off. No wonder cancers in the public abound. By the way Currency Creek flows into the Hawkesbury River. Don’t go for a swim or eat a vegetable.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 12 2021 19:01 utc | 255

Posted by: Karl Schulze | Dec 10 2021 18:20 utc | 55
So it is OK to post this lying drivel and it stays up?

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Dec 12 2021 19:38 utc | 257

chu teh | Dec 12 2021 16:52 utc | 249

re memory…and sci-fi
There was and is some recognition that scf-fi, which is inherently plausible by definition and not pure fantasy, has memory/memories as source.
And memory has no clear ownership. It has been described as both fleeting and restless.
As a word,”memory” in any language, is where dictionaries stumble.

I’m sorry, what ? Could you expand that a bit please ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 12 2021 21:07 utc | 259

tucenz @257–
Haven’t watched the film yet. Tobacco smoke I can’t stand to smell even when I’m outdoors fishing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2021 23:40 utc | 261

@259 Perimetr
Thank you. There is so much information now against the vaccines that it takes help from commenters such as you to keep us abreast of latest findings.
[Note that, by contrast, there are no new data showing that the vaccines are safe or effective or for the public good. No new data. None.]
There are so few autopsies – in a global disaster that has claimed millions of lives, and whose dead bodies for some reason have not been examined – that any data coming from an actual medical examination of the corpse is of a price beyond compare.
The data from a small batch of autopsies is worth all the speculation surrounding every one hundred thousand dead.
~~
Even without autopsy, as we look into the evidentiary data of what has happened, we see anomalies on charts that are simply unprecedented.

• We see children with heart attacks, that the establishment tells us is normal (hint: wrong).
• We see young athletes collapsing on the playing fields on live television, that the establishment tells us is normal (hint: wrong).
• We see diseases such as cancer that were in remission and that now suddenly flare into life again.
• We see old diseases that the immune system used to suppress suddenly appear in our midst.
• And from those few autopsies themselves, we see the results of systemic bodily changes as you remark here that are simply unprecedented. These are new medical events that have never appeared before, and that have no apparent cause – except for the vaccines.

~~
One no longer asks if people will notice all the evidence piling up in such a massive and alarming shape – rather like asking the people in a crowded theater if they smell smoke – one simply looks for the exit door, and perhaps may choose not to yell “FIRE!” on the way out.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 13 2021 2:59 utc | 263