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December 07, 2021

Open Thread 2021-95

@all - I will be offline for the next three days for a preplanned medical procedure (nothing serious) that requires a short hospital stay.

Please behave.

- b.

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@Norwegian #198
And so what? A 3000 meter thick ice sheet still won't keep a large asteroid impact from affecting the bedrock.
Have you even done a back of the envelope estimate of the energy required?
The whole concept is a Rube Goldbergian set of assumptions.
Nor did you respond to the very clear allegation that these "ancient civilization" assertion (2021) are a very long and extended series of assumptions starting with 1 or 2 exaggerated data points.
But that's ok - your predilection for conspiracy nonsense is pretty well established.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 19:11 utc | 201

Re: karlof1 #190
Escobar's summary is accurate.
I really don't know why anyone pays any attention whatsoever to MSM reporting - it is worse than useless.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 19:16 utc | 202

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 19:06 utc | 200

Well, clearly, not everybody is going to be pleased.

Biden is an old Washington bag man, had much to do with getting us here. I'm sure you know that too.

So there will be a fight over it, like you say. Mass media attacks. Oceans of bullshit. Skullduggery.

So the question in my mind is whether Biden the old hand is going to be up to the job of winning that fight? I can't say much for his choices in underlings.

I think Putin will try to assist. Be industrious about it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2021 19:17 utc | 203

@ karlo1 # 200 who wrote
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That Putin admits the "lets talk further" proposal came from Biden really puts the heat on him just for making that proposal.
"

I sit back and think about what Putin said to prompt Biden to say "lets talk further".

I posit that Russia are and will continue to push back and this is what we are seeing now played out in diplomateese.....
China is doing the same thing.

We are at a watershed moment in history, IMO

Thanks Karl for all that you are adding to the MoA bar talk

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2021 19:18 utc | 204

@Montreal #181
The "goodwill" of people attending a concert is pretty much meaningless when set against tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths of despair.

The persistant lies of the free market were devastatingly exploded by Russia's 1990s decade of death and despair.
The same factors that drove the Russian debacle of the 1990s has metastasized or accelerated, depending on POV, into life for Americans: life has been getting worse and worse for nearly a generation now.

For example: while Opioid deaths exploded to 100K+ last year - something not talked about in the MSM at all because deplorables - opioid deaths have been 70K or so every year since 2013. Only recently have COVID deaths outpaced the number of net opioid deaths, as an example. Not only has no one remotely near the executive levels gone to jail - the Sacklers are still flirting with full immunity in exchange for coughing up 20% or less of their literal gains from death.

Maybe Europeans have it better - I leave it for those living there to speak of their own experiences.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 19:25 utc | 205

Wonder of wonders; At long last the U$A's MSM is actually reporting that Russia's concerns that expansion of NATO eastward is a big problem for Russian authorities..

And still, not widely known within the American public, as it should be. American introspection, with regards to foreign and domestic policies, is nonexistent.....

Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 8 2021 19:34 utc | 206

@Stonebird | Dec 8 2021 17:58 utc | 188

That is; the ejecta included water and air (It hit an ice sheet) and they were thrown on a higher trajectory than the solids. (The biggest rocks fell to earth first probably). However, the water/ice and air may have reached near-space where it's temperature dropped to almost the theoretical minimum found there. (-270.45 Celsius, -454.81 Fahrenheit). Only then did it "fall" back to earth. Flash frozen Siberian mammouth. yummi.

Ballistic equations only care about launch velocities and angles, not what the objects are made of.

For the case of the YD impact in Michigan: The objects launched from the ice sheet were launched at an angle similar to the impact angle, and the impact angle can be inferred from the eccentricities of the elliptical Carolina Bays (they are conical cross section and the cone axis defines the impact angle relative to horizontal). The angles vary between 35 - 45 degrees. From the various distances traveled it can be computed that the max heights of the trajectories were ~150 - ~370 km, i.e. most of the time outside the atmosphere. Ref https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG1Y1kOoxjk&t=1035s

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 19:39 utc | 207

plan c uk ? issue foot shackles to the general pubic in the new year.as people waddle around like penguin's it will help slow down the spread of the virus. [british humour] no/s tag needed.

Posted by: douglas Brooker | Dec 8 2021 19:43 utc | 208

Piotr Berman @ 199

Are there any actual reporters on the ground? Who is producing these reports? I guess the region does not have enough 5-star hotels with bars, restaurants and pools to attract today's war correspondents.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Dec 8 2021 19:45 utc | 209

Tucenz @ 160, yes, that makes more sense timewise, and though I thought it was Moscow it could have been St. Petersburg -- but Putin was there as watching on tv I saw him thread through the crowd to take his seat as the camera picked him out doing so. I couldn't say when it was, though - don't have a good mind for that these days ;)

Now, about those frozen mammoths...

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2021 19:51 utc | 210

Escobar's other article today: "How not to win an Olympic gold medal."

Besides Ukraine, there's the Olympics being held in China:

"According to White House reasoning, 'the Biden administration will not send any diplomatic or official representation to the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympic Games, given the PRC’s ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other human rights abuses.'

"To start with, no one among the Joe Biden handlers in the administration or any other officials were invited in the first place. Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson, Zhao Lijian, remarked the US was 'hyping a ‘diplomatic boycott’ without even being invited to the Games'.

"Zhao also stressed the Games are not 'a stage for political posturing', and added the 'blatant political provocation' constitutes 'a serious affront to the 1.4 billion Chinese people.' He left hanging in the air the possibility of 'resolute countermeasures'.

"What that implies is the recent Xi-Biden virtual summit also melt in the air when it comes to promoting a more diplomatic entente cordiale. Predictably, Washington politicians who prevailed are the ones obsessed on demonizing Beijing using the perennial human rights pretext."

Pepe then focuses on the Sinophobes, some of their illegalities and the current state-of-affairs. Reality is again foreclosing on the phobers, "China-US trade set to hit new record in 2021 after solid Jan-Nov data despite tension":

"Trade between China and the US remained robust during the first 11 months of the year, hitting $682.32 billion, a year-on-year increase of 30.2 percent, Chinese customs data showed on Tuesday, even as bilateral ties continue on a downward spiral due to the US' constant aggression toward China.

"Bilateral trade could reach a record high at the end of the year, as US continues to purchase more Chinese manufactured products amid record inflation levels and as China expands imports of US agricultural, energy and other products, Chinese experts noted."

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 19:52 utc | 211

@karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 18:50 utc | 194

Many thanks for providing that transcript! It is very informative.

"We proceed from the assumption that our concerns will be heard at least this time"- That sounds like a red line indeed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 19:53 utc | 212

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 7 2021 21:19 utc | 96

So you're saying he resisted tyranny by returning to an even more archaic and pernicious tyranny. What a hero. Nothing you say remotely excuses or explains murdering three children. It was extreme cowardice. Your logic would excuse Magda Goebbels too.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2021 20:03 utc | 213

Gobekli Tepe is what the latest version of the ancient civilization seekers point to - but all that is, is some local limestone carved into blocks. The limestone was not transported any distance. There is no evidence of farming. There is no evidence of language. For all we know, it could be a couple villages that became obsessed with rectangles.

Weirder shit than that happens all the time.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 17:17 utc | 179

A common obsession that is unique to a particular are in itself points to efficient communication. Beavers are industrious and cooperative, but their "obsessions" like dam building are not unique. Importantly, humans are genetically adapted to very flexible vocalization, so it is assumed that this adaptation was positively reinforced in evolution by being useful.

Concerning farming, it did not emerge from a decision "we will domesticate this plant", but by consistent harvesting and gradual modification of the environment. If I like to pick raspberries, I may remove vines that would cover raspberry bushes to have easier access to raspberries, and perhaps I can get an idea to proactively remove the competing plants. The wood burned in Gobekli was from pistachio and almond trees, so the area around had groves that could gradually become orchards by eliminating useless trees. There is also evidence of consumption of seeds of wild precursors of wheat and other grains, and the availability of seeds could be increased by various manipulations like burning bushes in dry season to increase grassy areas and weeding. In other words, persistent reliance of nuts and seeds is known as a potential precursor of cultivation that indeed emerged later, and it is easy to imagine intermediate steps.

Steady supply of plant foods supported relatively high population, perhaps a thousand of individuals in the walking distance from the ceremonial center that Gobekli seemed to be -- you can walk 10-20 miles to a festivity or to work on some construction projects aimed at having more reliable animal migrations, rains etc. -- as rational as defense spending these days.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 8 2021 20:04 utc | 214

@c1ue | Dec 8 2021 19:11 utc | 201

Nor did you respond to the very clear allegation that these "ancient civilization" assertion (2021) are a very long and extended series of assumptions starting with 1 or 2 exaggerated data points.

No, the ancient civilization claim is based on a large number of physical observations all around the world (see short list in my first post in this thread). These observations include features such as polygonal walls of very tightly fitted stones, often weighing 10+ tons, obvious tool marks from machinery, high precision surfaces, keystone cuts etc. In addition to what has already been mentioned, I could provide a longer list of concrete examples but since you don't discuss in a respectful manner you may want dig it out yourself. The point is that there is a large number of megalithic sites all around the world, on every continent. Conventional science fail to explain these adequately.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 20:10 utc | 215

The sincerity or not of Biden is meaningless. The foreign policy of the United States is not controlled in any way by the office of its President. Putin used this high profile event to express Russia's position to a wider audience, no more no less. The status quo ante has not been changed in any material way. NATO will continue to push and ignore all the warnings.

Posted by: aubanel | Dec 8 2021 20:14 utc | 216

Unlike the neocon ideologues in Washington, the Russians do not want war because they have experienced it firsthand.
IMO, Russia expects war, but the longer it can be postponed, the better, given that the S-500 will soon be coming on line, along with mass production of Zircon hypersonic missiles, Armata tanks, and all the host of new weaponry that Russia has developed.
The US is so far behind in virtually all areas of hypersonics, missile defense, and electronic warfare, that they cannot hope to defend against most of these new Russian systems.

So the longer Russia has to build and deploy them, the better off Russia will be in any sort of real military conflict.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 8 2021 20:16 utc | 217

JPC | Dec 7 2021 15:52 utc | 26
"Would it be fair to posit that the objective is if this plays the way the US wants is to make the Russians shut gas to Europe?"

If the SHTF she can always false flag the Ukrainian pipeline and leave Nord 2 working. Blame the Nazis. It would work on a number of levels. Europe would sure get the message.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 8 2021 20:16 utc | 218

@Perimetr | Dec 8 2021 20:16 utc | 217

I agree with this. The Russians have first hand experience with war on their own soil, and that memory has been kept alive. The US on the other hand only know how to bully defenseless small nations.

And indeed, the strategy of prolonging talks works in favor of Russia, and China too.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 20:29 utc | 219

Posted by: Paco | Dec 7 2021 18:11 utc | 53

Yes the working class is being hijacked by the right but where is the left? MIA.
I'm watching the largest protests in recent history unfold around the world and who is organising the masses? The Christian Right!

What are the genuine left or independent countries in the world doing right now?

Supporting Big Pharma and vaccine passports and accusing the working class protesters of being right wing extremists.

This is just mind bending.

Does it mean that Russia and China are ultimately in bed with western capitalists? Are they playing 3D chess as Trump was supposedly doing or is a spade simply a spade?

Will the rise of the working class all over the world be captured by the religious right because the left is non existent in the west and Communist countries are supporting Big Pharma in the East? Since when does Marxism and Socialism lie in bed with Corporations?

Can anyone shed light on this weird dichotomy ?

Posted by: K | Dec 8 2021 20:36 utc | 220

re the ancient mists of humanity - imo, it's the height of vanity to think that while humanity goes back about a quarter of a million years, that its first civilization emerged a mere 5,000 (mas o menos) years ago.

Posted by: gottlieb | Dec 8 2021 20:39 utc | 221

The “Jab” is population control in every sense of the term. It has two functions – to reduce the subject population and to tag every member of that subject population. With the first injection, the subject is permanently sterilized – so no more children for the “vaccinated”. With the first injection and with every subsequent booster (of a never ending series), the subject’s immune system is eventually degraded to the point that even minor illnesses become fatal. With the first injection, a microchip is inserted into the subject that, with the use of 5G technology, the subject’s identity, location, and vital signs are tracked in real time. In other words, people are digitally tagged like cattle.

Thus, the ultimate purpose of the “vaccination” in Western countries is genocide. Those members of the subject population who refuse “vaccination” are to be blamed for the rapidly increasing mortality of the “vaccinated” population and shall be forcibly put into “quarantine” camps where, at best, they’ll be “reeducated” until they voluntarily accept the “jab”. At worse, they’ll be forcibly injected with the “vaccine”. Genocide is nothing new to our cultural Marxist/Globalist (rebranded Communist) elite. Indeed, they would make their heroes Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et al (who together, murdered an estimated 120 million people during the 20th Century) very proud!

Posted by: Karl Schulze | Dec 8 2021 20:40 utc | 222

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2021 23:07 utc | 106

I have to agree with all comments on Paleolithic art. I was able to visit Lascaux in 1992 before they permanently closed it to visitors. You can now only visit a simulation (so very a la mode).

In that instant I was struck by the criminal conceit and poverty of our age, the banal and unexceptional present we live in and the decline we embody. Those paintings are the lost masterpieces of a time when humanity was moving back and forth between seamless connection to the world and the alienation of language and religion that marks us as apart from the world. The same must apply to indigenous art here in Australia, a window into a consciousness far richer and full of meaning than the stick-figures of our neurotic imaginations. Beginnings, Heidegger said, are always the highest distillation. It is decline hence until the ground is cleared for a new beginning.

For some reason whenever I hear the Beatles I think of Lascaux: pure joy in making without fear or coercion.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 8 2021 20:41 utc | 223

The Anglo-American Empire, the United States of America, the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave is now the Land of the Slave and the Home of the Coward! The degenerate Americans, bereft of their ancestors’ virtues, have allowed, even welcomed, their own demise. Their government, now thoroughly corrupt, is easily purchased by domestic and foreign powers.

The checks and balances created by the Founding Fathers failed long ago. The Executive Branch writes its own laws and refuses to enforce those laws passed by the Legislature that it dislikes. It even ignores rulings by the courts that displease it. The Judicial Branch interprets law to give it meanings that the authors never intended. The Legislative Branch is reduced to passing bloated budgets, non-binding resolutions, and laws that do exactly the opposite of what they claim to do. Representatives represent any and everyone except their own citizens.

The degenerate Americans ignore the Founding Fathers’ advice and warnings. “No entangling alliances” warned the Founding Fathers – yet NATO, founded in need but maintained in pride long after that need ended, consumes our honor, our lives, and our treasure while distracting from far more pressing needs at home. “Keep no standing army” warned the Founding Fathers – today our military numbers in the millions to maintain an empire and to oppress our citizens (just as our Founding Fathers feared). “Maintain eternal vigilance” advised the Founding Fathers – yet our citizens abdicated their indispensable role in government so long ago that they don’t even remember what that role was. In fact, most Americans are so ignorant of their own history that they believe fantasies and fictions that their ancestors would have laughed at.

Freaks and perverts who were once relegated to circuses, mental institutions, and prisons now command admiration, power, and respect among the degenerate Americans. Their “men” are raised by Feminists and Marxist media, and educated in Marxist schools to hate themselves and everything masculine. “Conflict resolution” has replaced victory and right and wrong have been replaced by “tolerance”. Men’s roles as protector and provider have been ceded to the government. One cannot promote feminine men and masculine women and still produce masculine men. No wonder that our “Patriots” hesitate to act.

And as the traitors to America continue to acquire and consolidate ever more power, the so called “Patriots” refuse to use what rapidly dwindling power that they still have to curb and eliminate the threat. Instead, they wait patiently and appeal to authority that has either long been void of power or that is already in the hands of their enemies. While the hopium addicts are waiting for imaginary judicial or political solutions to the successful cultural Marxist/Globalist political coup, the Biden/Harris regime have successfully purged Federal law enforcement and have purged the U.S. military of oath keepers, Trump supporters, and anyone else whom might not be “woke” enough to kill American citizens on American soil. A classic Communist take-over occurs before these “Patriots’” very eyes and they are blind to it. Ignoring the decades-long legacy of unenforced laws, these “Patriots” seem to think that suddenly these laws shall be enforced and that somehow someway Trump shall be reinstalled as President! Didn’t they hear that Trump himself declared that in no way does he seek to overturn the last election (https://newsmax.com/us/election-integrity-investigations-house/2021/07/31/id/1030672)? In the same breath that they declare the 2020 election “stolen” these hopium addicts declare that they’ll win in 2022 and 2024! And so the power of the “Patriots” evaporates away.

Don’t look to God for America’s salvation either. After so many blessings, America has forsaken God and He has returned the favor. All but a very few pastors, priests, and congregations have put man’s law far above God’s law. His church has become Laodicean and He spits it out! The innocent blood of tens of millions of murdered mutilated unborn children cry out for vengeance – vengeance is the Lord’s. American “Christians” are cowards and Satan rules America’s rulers. America’s judgment is at hand – as a country it is damned! Seek only your own personal salvation from God. Pray that He has mercy on your soul. So says Yahveh Sabaoth. So it is. It is done.

Posted by: Karl Schulze | Dec 8 2021 20:42 utc | 224

c1ue @201

Unfortunately, there are few places on the web that tolerate these sorts of hand-waving personal theories, so they pop up wherever they are not banned. If I was b I would send them to viXra.org .

Posted by: Keith McClary | Dec 8 2021 20:42 utc | 225

Quick recovery, b!

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Dec 8 2021 20:44 utc | 226

Juliana @ 210

The Wings concert I saw in Palace Square was in June 2004 and the illusions we had then have gone the way of the hairy mammoths.

Posted by: Montreal | Dec 8 2021 20:46 utc | 227

@ aubanel 216
re: The foreign policy of the United States is not controlled in any way by the office of its President.

Actually it is, unfortunately. The "experts" often say that the executive branch does foreign affairs and the Congress does domestics because the Constitution says so. . .Actually it doesn't say so.. . .

The unfortunate result of presidents taking on foreign affairs as a solo performance -- in this "democracy!" -- is a complete lack any kind of control by anybody else in government which results in many wrong decisions.

Take the stupid JCPOA, for example, which Obama did because he needed something positive, anything at all, that he could brag about in his presidential library in Chicago. This "agreement" with a major US enemy had nothing to do with any real need. And its ironic that Obama got criticized for the Iraq pull-out when it was a document done by Bush-43 and Obama had no choice. These agreements are really treaties which should get the advice and consent of the Senate, according to the Constitution, but if that were heeded there would probably be no agreements, given the bought-and-paid-for Congress

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2021 20:47 utc | 228

Its amazing to me that the child-man Blinken is nearly the same age as me (born 1962 vs my 1963).

Born in Yonkers to Ashkenazi parents, with father and uncle US ambassadors, and attended the uber-elite Dalton school in New York until 1971. Then moved to Paris as his mother remarried to Robert Maxwell's power-lawyer and confidant and went to an uber-elite French school (rated best high school in France). Then Harvard and Columbia. Then onto political positions, but seeming no actual diplomatic postings.

So we have a very elite and clever boy, surrounded by Israel hawks and operatives, who his whole life has been treated as if he is a philosopher-king - but with no actual experience of doing anything in the real world or with real diplomacy. No wonder that he is a fucking disaster. Completey the wrong person for a period in which the US needs to subtly and flexibly manage its declining fortunes vis a vis China, Russia etc. Lets hope such idiots don't produce a US "Suez".

Posted by: Roger | Dec 8 2021 20:47 utc | 229

The other day I linked a video on what clearly had all the aspect of Givernor of Victoria, Andrews sniffing simething before just turn 180 degrees and face the press...

Do you think thus pletoric jacinda Arden, could be high on something too, since how other way would you explain a decent woman stating this with such expression of happiness...Does she vew her as perpetual ruler of new zealans?

https://twitter.com/viewspotnz/status/1467768993683365890

Thus it is not about health, less herd immunity or whatever they have gone inventing, is about inyecting everybody so that they can have everybody with a digital pass to control you and all aspects of your life, and be able to cut them off every time you do not behave or do not comply whatever extravaganza, like it will be ceding your bank accounts to rescue casino like behaving banks....
.
See how restrictions will come for you, vaccinated persona, whi thought that you had comply with your two doses...

There is an international demonstration called for December 11th, organize, meet your peers and gflood the streets, some are proposing ending in the palaces of govern shouting and making noise so that they can hear us in the ISS, at least that those at the government can not sleep....

Stress these criminakl people the same way they are stressing you for two years in a round!

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 20:49 utc | 230

A doctor from the resistance, who had to retreat a bit to recover from exhaustion, and its back with force, sent this music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAoLJ8GbA4Y
[Adagios: Best Relaxing Classical Music]
...
Health and strenght, We will previal!
Black bread @ 25

Much appreciated. I seldom feel much but this moves me.
We will prevail.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 8 2021 20:54 utc | 231

@215

have you wondered what came before the sumerians?

we should retrace facts espoused by conventional textbooks......until it starts getting deep into theories just as in science the big bang.....

Posted by: jason | Dec 8 2021 20:54 utc | 232

@gottlieb | Dec 8 2021 20:39 utc | 221

imo, it's the height of vanity to think that while humanity goes back about a quarter of a million years, that its first civilization emerged a mere 5,000 (mas o menos) years ago

Agreed, and the present western culture does not tolerate being regarded as anything else but the most supreme and exceptional, both wrt. the present (ref. the insane conflicts with Russia) and wrt. the past. The west has become a dangerous cult decoupled from reality.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 20:55 utc | 233

@Black bread | Dec 8 2021 20:49 utc | 230

What an insane woman. She may very well be high on something, or perhaps "just a genuine psychopath".

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 21:03 utc | 234

@Keith McClary #225
There are credible people who look at the few bits of evidence and note that they may contradict the existing largely linear model of human development.
That is a reasonable projection: that here are examples which don’t prove anything but do raise questions.
The gullible and the unscrupulous are the ones who conflate these questions into something else entirely.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 21:08 utc | 235

Posted by: Karl Schulze | Dec 8 2021 20:42 utc | 224

I do not share many of your views, but we share these observations:

1. American Founding Fathers, for all their limitations left valuable principles, observation and advise.

2. American elite essentially views them as idiots (Bill of Rights??!! whatever), however well meaning, and does not cease to erase their legacy de facto while venerating their icons on the currency, monuments etc. Little people cannot be disappointed by the sad truth about the heroes of the past (who were idiots).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 8 2021 21:10 utc | 236

@Piotr Berman #214
The archeological exploration in question is very new: it has been explored only a handful of years ago.
My view is that any conclusions stemming from such early stages of analysis is highly suspect, particularly when the people in question are trying very hard to raise funds to expand the work.
To build castles on this shaky foundation is dubious.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 21:12 utc | 237

Norwegian #153

Thank you for bringing me back to that key conundrum: precision stone cutting and matching in many megalithic structures. Many are still standing and untroubled by earthquake or human waves and they exhibit precision that astounds scientists and engineers with high degree of understanding of materials and their formation.

Many made of stone that is so high on the moh scale that copper and bronze chisels are rendered irrelevant to any sane discussion. There are so many hilarious attempts at stone finishing with even harder balls of stone that even that idea challenge to a comedian.

Awe inspiring finishes and precision corners on immense boxes hollowed out of the hardest stones are technically impossible if we are to accept the conventions of the bronze - iron age definitions. These are all intended to convey a linear improvement in human development beginning after the younger dryas - the great reset if you will. But the precision megalithic works stand there mocking.

By the way I have no interest in trying to date Noa's flood rather elaborating the fact that there were likely a lot of floods and attempts by the priesthood at deriving legitimacy and power over others from such a tale is retrospective religionism and coercive power mongering and not my interest.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 8 2021 21:17 utc | 238

As us does the old bureaucratic maneuver of incremental progress and recursive self justification style of attack. Russia responses with its only incremental steps toward kinetic response:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-delivers-protest-note-us-embassy-warning-dangerous-consequences-border

Us plays dumb and Russia plays crazy.

Biden is about to bare responsibility for start of WW3 - Final Conflict.
Would not want that on my resume.

Posted by: jared | Dec 8 2021 21:18 utc | 239

As a Canadian I feel ashamed but also compelled to point out the lies and ridiculous shit about Russia that passes for "analysis" at CBC these days.

And I'm further embarrassed and disgusted that so many Canadians lap it up and regurgitate this kind of garbage in their comments on articles similar to the above link. These moronic cheerleader "journalists" and their slavish followers... can they get any stupider?

When will the Russia bashing (and China bashing) end? *IS* there an end?

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 8 2021 21:27 utc | 240

Piotr Berman #199

Question: what kind of defense plan does Ukraine have?

In the same vein, Bild's map shows a pincer attack surrounding Kiev. What kind of evacuation plan does authorities there have? Airlift to Mukachevo (on Hungarian border, the other side of the Karpathians)?

Good questions but they are well above the conceptual capacity of Zelensky and his fascist ministers and 'army'? brigades? perhaps - brigands.

The clown country is a shambles and gets much entertainment from the rattle sound of the sabre. That is about as far as planning goes.

If it ever came to the day when Russian forces face slap these fools their fall back position will be to 'permit' Russian buses to drive the refugees to their capital Lviv. That is after first option - let them walk is deemed 'untidy' by the west.

Good luck getting the buses back.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 8 2021 21:30 utc | 241

c1ue | Dec 8 2021 17:49 utc | 186

You also confuse the difference between lender, shareholder and depositor rights in the event of a bank failure. Hint: The 2 former ones are completely separated from the latter one.
For Switzerland, the Deposit Insurance scheme is known as esisuisse and covers 100K CHF per institution per depositor.

Not so quite confused as you think, (but nearly I admit !)

From Lazy web:

From The deposit itself is a liability owed by the bank to the depositor. Bank deposits refer to this liability rather than to the actual funds that have been deposited. When someone opens a bank account and makes a cash deposit, he surrenders the legal title to the cash, and it becomes an asset of the bank.

Bail-ins. These were mainly taxpayer funded, but

The goal of the new framework (i.e. BRRD and state aid) is to increase effective private sector involvement, in particular via bail-ins.

However the deposit insurances in the EU are not keeping up " A major issue in the EU is the fact that the BRRD has been phased in before the completion of other critical features of the Banking Union, such as a European deposit insurance scheme.


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Re your first point about similarities or a lack of them:;

Secured bond holders and shareholders are "owners" of the company, whereas the unsecured bond holders or "depositors (lenders) are not. They do not have the same legal rights to repayment in the case of liquidation, just the deposit insurance that has been declared by the country concenred

Owners of unsecured bonds have a claim on the assets of the defaulted issuer, but only after investors whose securities are higher in the capital structure are paid first. For example, if Doohdah Corp issued both unsecured and secured bonds, and later went into bankruptcy, the holders of the secured bonds will be paid first.

These include short-term bonds, long term bonds, secured bonds, unsecured bonds, redeemable bonds, irredeemable bonds, junk bonds and convertible bonds etc. Bondholders provide funds as creditors and therefore do not own any percentage holding in the company.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 8 2021 21:32 utc | 242

Best wishes with your medical procedure, b.

Posted by: Hope | Dec 8 2021 21:34 utc | 243

@jason | Dec 8 2021 20:54 utc | 232

have you wondered what came before the sumerians?

Yes, of course, but I don't know the answer. The answers must be built only from available facts. Imagination is important when formulating hypotheses, but they must be tested against evidence .

What really has surprised me is the volume of evidence available to us. The evidence seems to tell us that the sumerians and dynastic egyptians represent 'reboots' of something that was at least 8000 years before, some of which they inherited. We can see from the evidence that what was before was significantly more advanced than the 'reboots'. We can only make guesses of the capabilities of previous civilizations based on what was left behind in various places around the world, for example in Mount Nokogiriyama in Japan, but such examples are quite impressive, and there are many other examples.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 21:36 utc | 244

Get well, B :)

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2021 21:39 utc | 245

Have any of you heard about a helycopter accident in India, Tamil Nadu, where the chief of defense, Bipin Rawat resulted in critical condition and his wife plus several other 11 people have died..?

No link, just the news...from Aquila telegram channel...

It happened after negotiations with the Russians...

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 21:44 utc | 246

@ Stonebird and c1ue with their discussion of repayment in lieu of default

I would just like to point out that derivative holders have what is called Superior Position over all other bondholders in the event of a default....US government gave that to them.....as Obama said...."Its all legal."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2021 21:44 utc | 247

Very powerful and self-confident editorial in today's Global Times: "Impossible for US, West to use ‘reputation’ to harass China:"

"After the US announced on Monday that it will not send government officials to the Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games, Australia announced to follow suit on Wednesday. China will respond diplomatically. But Chinese society must be aware that the US and Australia dare not even publicly label their acts as 'diplomatic boycotts,' and they will not cause any substantial damage to China. The competition between China and the US is destined to last for at least several decades. During this period, similar frictions may increase, but they generally belong to 'smack talk' and do not have an impact on the most critical indicator of the comparison of strengths between China and the US. [My Emphasis]

Wow! Relegating Outlaw US Empire propaganda to the realm of Trash Talk and outright saying rivalry with the declining Empire will last at least two generations but not to worry differs very little from knocking a speck of dandruff from your shoulder while not worrying about how others perceive your appearance. China must not allow itself to become distracted by the Trash Talk and keep its eyes on the prize--developing into a moderately prosperous society in all respects:

"No matter how China debates with the US and its major allies in terms of public opinion, China's greatest attention must first be placed on continuing to develop the economy and enhance China's overall strength. What the West often refers to as China's 'reputation' is not as important to us as they have believed."

Honest economic numbers would rank China as the world's #1 economy, and it's superiority in geoeconomics is demonstrated by the article I linked @211 proving beyond doubt the Outlaw US Empire's dependency on its trade with China. IMO, attempting to contain China at this point in time is the most stupidest policy goal one could follow given the degree of dependency.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 21:47 utc | 248

Russia hands note of protest to US warning of consequences of US, NATO provocations
https://tass.com/politics/1372901

Maria Zakharova pointed out that the unacceptable and dangerous activity of NATO aircraft, when warplanes belonging to the US and its allies conduct flights without radio communication, without providing flight plans to or obtaining permission from air traffic controllers, poses severe risks to the safety of civil flights

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 21:50 utc | 249

@uncle tungsten #238
Have you ever considered the effects of time? And that we have no idea what these blocks looked like when first emplaced?

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 21:54 utc | 250

@Stonebird #242
You are getting a little closer but you are still missing major points.
Among them: a bank is not a standalone entity. All banks in western nations are highly regulated entities - thus their “obligations” are not just to depositors, bond holders and shareholders but also to the government/regulating authority.
Deposit insurance is one of them. The bank pa us a few to the deposit insurance authority to guarantee the safety of depositors up to a certain amount. Repayment of these depositors I’m the case of a bank default is not from the bank but from the deposit insurance fund.
As for shareholders and bond holders: they are associated with the bank as a business.
The bailout of banks in GFC was entirely a government move to protect the largely 1% owners of the bank stock and/or bonds - more to specific individuals than the whole. The bailouts had nothing to do whatsoever with depositor money safety.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 22:00 utc | 251

@psychohistorian #247
It depends on the specific derivative.
There is no law that says a bond holder must have rights to redeem before shareholders; that is merely customary. The same for derivatives. What is relevant though is that normally existing bond and shareholders have to approve such a seniority change (not superiority).
Only if seniority was injected without such a vote would it be unusual.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 22:03 utc | 252

Historical video, deleted along several Twitter accounts which host it, to keep in a fold for future trials, your children, and the generations to come...

https://t.me/rafapalreal/14933

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 22:04 utc | 253

(In the EU the laws have been made that money, savings and assets held by them are THEIRS, as unsecured loans.)


Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 7 2021 21:40 utc | 102

Stonebird, not picking on you, I've seen that elsewhere, but do you have a citation for that?

Thank you

Posted by: John Cleary | Dec 8 2021 22:06 utc | 254

Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 19:39 utc | 207

"From the various distances traveled it can be computed that the max heights of the trajectories were ~150 - ~370 km, i.e. most of the time outside the atmosphere."

OK, "outside the atmosphere" is still ultra cold, and it would not be the angle of the trajectory but the size of the particle or large lump, that would condition the effect on the ground. Super cold ice particles would surely take longer to "land" and be spread equally over a wider area than a single impact. They may even go further in distance. The volume could also be taken into account.

***

Going back a bit, I still have the photo of the top of the pyramid on my desktop, that you showed me.

ALL the theories made about how the Pyramids were constructed would be enormously improved if they just gave that photo to a real mason. There are are vertical "key" double blocks visible, and layer of very thin blocks (for corrections?). Smaller blocks below the "thin layer and larger ones above. etc.

Thanks for that ! When I get bored I have another think about it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 8 2021 22:06 utc | 255

Mark Mosby @240

"As a Canadian I feel ashamed but also compelled to point out the lies and ridiculous shit about Russia that passes for "analysis" at CBC these days."

As a Canuck I absolutely agree and it also applies to NewsNetwork, CTV, etc. You wouldn't know from the news coverage that there are members of the NDP and the Green Party - and others such as Christopher Black and Yves Engler - who strongly disagree with the only view that is permitted to be aired.

Posted by: spudski | Dec 8 2021 22:07 utc | 256

Honest economic numbers would rank China as the world's #1 economy, and it's superiority in geoeconomics is demonstrated by ...

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 21:47 utc | 248

I would be more cautious here, and at this moment, you can conclude #1 or #2. However, with all hiccups associated with some major economic restructuring in China, China is ascending and USA, perhaps keeping its position, perhaps not.

The other superpower, Russia, is harder to gouge. On some parameters they are compared to Italy, and economic growth is meager. There is decently managed economic restructuring that increases economic independence, and gives hopes for some areas of technological superiority, but not that many, and they still look like bold bets (aerospace, nuclear power). Russia can withstands a siege, sanctions if you will, as long as the reasons are well explain to the citizens, and they make good effort. Militarily, they are resilient too, and military adventures involving both Russia and Iran can lead to chaos and upheavals -- together, they have enough food and fuel to survive, while denying fuel to aggressors, especially the vassals.

Chinese economy became so large that siege of China is impossible. They dominate either consumption or production (often both) on a huge number of commodities and products, removing China from international trade would cause chaos, and unlike Russians, Westerners are not prepared to suffer that.

Neo-(cons, libs) remember Cold War when taken together, Communist countries had a small share in the international trade and in the latest years, they became vulnerable to sanctions. Those golden years will not return.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 8 2021 22:16 utc | 257

@karlof1 #248
Let’s say China’s GDP is 10% larger than the US’.
This just means the average Chinese is only 69% poorer than the average American.
What really matters is disposable income at both individual and nationwide levels. Whatever the income level is - some portion of it has to go to food, transport, housing, health care, education etc.
It is not at all clear to me that China has more disposable income as a nation, particularly given the exorbitant privilege of the dollar.
That the Chinese economy is large is without question, but size isn’t everything.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 22:25 utc | 258

Don @228
I get your point but remain unconvinced. From here it appears that US foreign policy is well outside the purview of democratic politics and instead defined by various competing power blocs within the apparatus of the state. The closest the office of the the President gets to define anything is "how hard", i.e. how hard the sanctions etc. etc. However the Ukraine situation is a perfect chance for me to be proved wrong; something I always welcome as it's the only way I ever learn...

Posted by: aubanel | Dec 8 2021 22:31 utc | 259

Norwegian #153: Thank you for bringing me back to that key conundrum: precision stone cutting and matching in many megalithic structures.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 8 2021 21:17 utc | 238

I heard an explanation, before internet, so no link: stones are not as rigid as we think, they change shape, slowly, under pressure. If the stones were fitted together just enough to be stable on top of each other, then after few centuries they will fit exactly. The stone cutters of Incas did a decent job, so the stone walls they left behind show excellent fit after few hundred years. The stones in megaliths had many thousands of years to bend and achieve exact fit.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 8 2021 22:34 utc | 260

More on the farcical "Summit for Democracy" HERE

It’s no surprise that Washington has declined to invite its two biggest geopolitical foes, Russia and China. The two countries banded together to publish an opinion article in The National Interest, correctly characterizing the circus of a summit as a “product of [Washington’s] Cold-War mentality” aimed at stoking “ideological confrontation and a rift in the world.”

Anatoly Antonov and Qin Gang, the Russian and Chinese ambassadors to the U.S., jointly wrote:

Interfering in other countries’ internal affairs – under the pretext of fighting corruption, promoting democratic values, or protecting human rights – hindering their development, wielding the big stick of sanctions, and even infringing on their sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity go against the UN Charter and other basic norms of international law and are obviously anti-democratic.

That article, published on November 26, proved prescient. The United States, it turns out, has no intention of laying down its big stick. To mark the occasion of the summit, the U.S. Treasury Department revealed just days later that it would be imposing sanctions against those “who are engaged in malign activities that undermine democracy and democratic institutions around the world, including corruption, repression, organized crime, and serious human-rights abuse,” as a Treasury Department official told the Wall Street Journal.

It cannot be overstated how hypocritical it is that the United States is promoting its Summit for Democracy by taking actions that are illegal under international law. According to the United Nations Charter, Chapter VII, Article 41, only the United Nations Security Council may enact economic sanctions against United Nations members.

Yet who IS invited? Random GuyDo who's never actually participated in a Venezuelan election and has probably 8% max support in that country as well as the usual Belarussian and Hong Kong agitators for "democracy."

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 8 2021 22:38 utc | 261

@213 Patroklos

I don't condone his action in the same way I don't condone the actions of the state with their mandate.

It is a terrible dialectic with the state being the thesis with its mandate and the man killing his family as the antithesis.

In this demonic dialectic, the response to the mandate was fitting in its own logic.

That is what I am saying. Expect more.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 8 2021 22:47 utc | 262

Brandon switches to vaudeville with the queer quad show.

https://johnmenadue.com/quad-queers-its-pitch-champions-of-democracy-fail-to-walk-the-talk/

"President Joe Biden’s virtual “Summit of Democracies” on December 9-10 will occur only three weeks after a reputable international institute added the US to its 2021 list of “backsliding” democracies. The Swedish-based Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance says there has been a “visible deterioration of democracy in the US” with a decline in civil liberties and increasing efforts to “suppress voter participation in elections”.......

"The WikiLeaks release of the trove of CIA documents called Vault 7 shows the CIA as saying it can disguise the source of a malicious cyber act to make it look like a foreign actor is the culprit. One way to do this involves taking over a server in a foreign country that then appears to be responsible for a cyber attack. Similar agencies in other countries can do the same."

Posted by: Paul | Dec 8 2021 22:58 utc | 263

@ MM 240
When will the Russia bashing (and China bashing) end? *IS* there an end?
No, the US and its lackeys need enemies, and war.
Randolph Bourne nailed it years ago with War Is the Health of the State . . an excerpt. . .
. . .With the shock of war, however, the State comes into its own again. The Government, with no mandate from the people, without consultation of the people, conducts all the negotiations, the backing and filling, the menaces and explanations, which slowly bring it into collision with some other Government, and gently and irresistibly slides the country into war. For the benefit of proud and haughty citizens, it is fortified with a list of the intolerable insults which have been hurled toward us by the other nations; for the benefit of the liberal and beneficent, it has a convincing set of moral purposes which our going to war will achieve; for the ambitious and aggressive classes, it can gently whisper of a bigger role in the destiny of the world. The result is that, even in those countries where the business of declaring war is theoretically in the hands of representatives of the people, no legislature has ever been known to decline the request of an Executive, which has conducted all foreign affairs in utter privacy and irresponsibility, that it order the nation into battle. . . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2021 23:02 utc | 264

@ Paul 263
added the US to its 2021 list of “backsliding” democracies.
The US is not any kind of democracy, meaning government by the people. . .usually through representatives.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2021 23:06 utc | 265

Elder woman misstreated in the middle of the street In Germany because she forgot the "Covid Pass", see German people support this state of affairs as in the 30s, and how Germany is a full policial state right now, even through the transition to "socialdemocrat/Green" government...Axs if political labeasl mean anything now....

b should be careful when returning home, these people seem to do not spare age or physical condition...

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1468446933731528706

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 23:12 utc | 266

Thank you, Montreal @ 227, that might have been the one! What I am remembering is that Putin was late - everyone was already enjoying the Beatles songs when he came in. So, you might not have known he had come. But what an experience you had!

We die with the dying:
See, they depart, and we go with them.
We are born with the dead:
See, they return, and bring us with them.
The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew-tree
Are of equal duration. A people without history
Is not redeemed from time, for history is a pattern
Of timeless moments.

[Excerpt from Fourth Quartet, T.S.Eliot]

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2021 23:25 utc | 267

The video of Boris Johnson getting lambasted in Parliament is here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2021 23:29 utc | 268

@Posted by: spudski | Dec 8 2021 22:07 utc | 256

I look forward to the election of a new Green Party leader, after the neoliberal arrogant garbage that was foisted upon us was kicked out. Of course, it would be miracle if the leftish Lascaris would be allowed to win this time, but we can live in delusional hope. Canada is a lost cause with the comprador quisling elites now fully installed, and the media diligently following the Goebbels playbook. It seems that we will need a severe kick in the face to start to see reality.

@Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 22:25 utc | 258

Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) is not perfect, but the closest we have to a reliable way of comparing national GDPs. On that basis, in 2020:

China: 24.273 trillion US$
Germany: 4.516 trillion US$
Russia: 4.133 trillion US$
United States: 20.936 trillion US$

The China/US gap will increase as China keeps growing 4-5% faster than the US. Then, of course what each country is counting - with the US counting much more of "financial" services that are more input costs and rentier taxes than outputs. Also, the US govt started to intentionally undercount inflation from the 1990s onwards, so the US figure may be significantly inflated due to that as well. I would put China at 50% bigger than the US already, counting actual real economic capacity (also, their infrastructure isn't falling apart more and more every year and education tends to go on STEM not lawyers, MBAs, marketing and SJWs).

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD

@Posted by: c1ue | Dec 8 2021 22:03 utc | 252

The law in the US was explicitly changed so that derivatives counter parties come before depositors and all other claims (see link below). It is also the law that equity holders are only due to the retained earnings/equity of the corporation, debt holders come first. If all the equity has gone before the debt holders are paid off, then the equity holders get nothing. That's corporate bankruptcy law in both the US and Canada.

https://www0.gsb.columbia.edu/mygsb/faculty/research/pubfiles/5576/BoltonOehmkeDerivatives.pdf

Posted by: Roger | Dec 8 2021 23:30 utc | 269

@Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 23:12 utc | 266

Look attentively how the policeman holds the German, and European, elder citizen, whole life taxpayer and voter, illegally by her fragile wrist, while lecturing her in loud voice with his menacing finger extended, at a way too menacing distance for her, as if the elder woman was a child misbehaving, or a criminal...Not even dgos are tetated this way today..
There is no decency left in Europe, have you clear this is the kind of Europe Von Der Leyen needs for to be drown in dollars..

That there are people who sees this lamentable espectacle in Europe and still see it well that they have dispossesed us of our adult condition, of our citizenry, of our basics human rights, and dare to go over there scaring and menacing honest taxpayers and citizens, means some people have learnt nothing from the past two wars or think this time they all will get out with theirs as they do those involved in Paperclip...

But this repetition of history, this time, increasingly evident, as a farce, will not hold much more, what some are doing will explode in their very faces sooner than later, I would wish not having to see it, but irremediably, as they do not, can not indeed, backpedal, there will be massive violence, and I fear it will not be the unvaccinated who will take the worst part..Sooner or later, the vaccinated will go awakening, at nrd dose and the increasing level of balls tocuhing...

All this outrage will not go unpunished, eventhough that is the last thing I do in this Earth.

We keep a record of everything, faces, names, crimes, everything...as others have the folder of the Odessa nazi massacre...

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 8 2021 23:33 utc | 270

Roger @269

Agree regarding Dimitri L. 'The enemy of their Annamie is ...' .

Thanks for the link to the derivatives paper: I hadn't realized they constituted a senior claim to all other claims - seems outrageous.

Posted by: spudski | Dec 8 2021 23:43 utc | 271

@ Roger | Dec 8 2021 23:30 utc | 269 with the derivative follow up for me/us/c1ue

Thanks
Hey c1ue! Read this abstract and then go to the link from Roger at #269

"
Derivatives enjoy special status in bankruptcy: They are exempt from the automatic stay and effectively senior to virtually all other claims. We propose a corporate finance model to assess the effect of these exemptions on a firm’s cost of borrowing and its incentives to engage in efficient derivative transactions. While derivatives are value-enhancing risk management tools, seniority for derivatives can lead to inefficiencies: It transfers credit risk to debtholders, even though this risk is borne more efficiently in the derivative market. Seniority for derivatives is efficient only if it provides sufficient cross-netting benefits to derivative counterparties that provide hedging services.
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2021 23:51 utc | 272

Grateful to all of you who have chimed in on the Paleo subjects. I am humbled by the depth/breadth of the discourse.

"Those paintings are the lost masterpieces of a time when humanity was moving back and forth between seamless connection to the world and the alienation of language and religion that marks us as apart from the world."

Beautiful. I am haunted by the connection we appear to have lost.

Posted by: Gulo | Dec 8 2021 23:59 utc | 273

Something is blocking my post, let me try a different way:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/covid-expert-dr-peter-mccullogh-urges-unbreakable-resistance-to-vaccines-for-kids/

In the above article their is a link to a presentation. The link is in the first paragraph.


Dr. Robert Malone, the architect of the mRNA platform used by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and organizing co-signer of a recent public declaration in defense of early treatments, promoted the presentation, tweeting, “I’ll say it again. Watch the speech from Dr. Peter McCullough. He is on fire. And he is spot on. He [sic] summary of the data are [sic] precise and detailed. Please take the time to watch that video. And get outraged.”

Posted by: librul | Dec 9 2021 0:00 utc | 274

@Perimeter, 164

I watched that press conference. President von der Leyen did indeed call for the issue of mandatory vaccines to be discussed and yes, mandating experimental drug treatments is, in effect, cancelling the Nuremberg Code but I don't think she mentioned the Nuremberg Code. That is the last thing that she would draw attention to. The Nuremberg Code is the elephant in the room, the issue which governments and health services are tiptoeing around. I think of the straight to humans protocol in operation at present contrasted with paragraph 3 of the code “the experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation”. These governments have caused people to become subjects in an experiment without the informed consent by the subjects. Given the lack of preclinical toxicological and pharmacological data (phase 1 and 2) provided by the manufacturers, it would have been impossible for the governments to provide sufficient information for people to make an informed decision.

The institutional malfeasance on display including the lack of respect for human beings is chilling.

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 9 2021 0:12 utc | 275

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 18:50 utc | 194

Again & again, thank you for digging in and presenting Putin's positions, also appreciate your comments on the Saker. Overall, they inform me and help me make sense out of what's going on. a truly impressive service.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 9 2021 0:14 utc | 276

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 19:06 utc | 200

"That Putin admits the "lets talk further" proposal came from Biden really puts the heat on him just for making that proposal. "

It looks to me that "Biden" is trying to pull back from the neocons, including the Nulands and her boys--Blinken (she thinks), Ned Price, Jake Sullivan, Austin-- who take their cues from the bigger boys in the intel, Boeing/Lockheed/Raytheon, and Israel cliques. "Biden" knows he's in trouble with the peons. His poll numbers are terrible. His vp is hoping he goes away so she's an enemy at this point. Blinken has been a disappointment to him as he has not "fixed" anything and has shown he's a wimp and appears to be listening to the neocons as much as he listens to Joe.
bottom line, Joe's in trouble. Putin is turning the heat up on him and won't let go until Joe plays straight with him or is destroyed by Nuland and the above. At that point, he will go away and the blob will be left with a mess while Europe deals with Russia on their own, meaning they will not fight.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 9 2021 0:33 utc | 277

Here's a tale that ought to replace A Visit from St. Nicholas, better known as T'was the Night Before Christmas, Patrick Lawrence's "Obituary for Russiagate":

"Russiagate, that fraudulent fable wherein Russian President Vladimir Putin personally subverted American democracy, Russian intelligence pilfered the Democratic Party’s email, and Donald Trump acted at the Kremlin’s behest, is at last dead.

"No, nothing sudden. It has been a slow, painful death of the sort this destructive beast richly deserved. But its demise is now definitive — in the courts and on paper. We await the better historians to see this properly into the record.

"Three key operatives in the construction of the Russiagate edifice are indicted for lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about aspects of the Russiagate tale. The Steele dossier, the document on which much of the case against former President Trump rested, is now exposed as a Nixonesque “dirty trick” authorized and paid for by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign....

"This leads us to the essential question we now face, or one of them. What are the consequences of the Russiagate scam? If it rested on lies start-to-finish, this is not to say it did not exact its price. It did. The price is high, and we are fated to pay it for some time to come."

What follows is a description of the deep mire the Outlaw US Empire's domestic polity has become entombed within. It's a very surreal state that continues to confound most everything and exerts an acutely negative influence on any attempt at rational governance across all three levels--national, state and local.

"Liberal authoritarianism is another name for what has consolidated itself in the years since Democrats, in mid–2016, first raised the phony specter of Russia 'hacking' into its mail systems [to cover up its own egregious law breaking by Clinton and the D Party apparat that has yet to be prosecuted].

"In effect, Russiagate has tipped the American polity upside down. It is the illiberal liberals among us, righteous as the old Puritan ministers of New England, who now prosecute a regime of censorship and suppression of dissent that is at least as severe and anti-democratic as what conservatives had going during the Cold War (and in my view worse).

"It is they who seek to cow ordinary Americans into the new, weird idolatry of authority, no matter that those to whom the nation is urged to bow are proven liars, law-breakers and propagandists.

"There is, of course, the more dangerous world Russiagate has done so much to create. In the culture of unreason, the Deep State has a discouraging record of success in gaining wide public support for any aggressive campaign against any nation or people it wishes to act against."

The current pandemic related idiocy we see happening globally is a result of the international affects of Russiagate's bull shit. It looks more and more as if that pandemonium is mandated by those who cannot operate honestly in any public arena--those who comprise the Neoliberal Deep State. Unfortunately, Lawrence's Tale is incomplete as he stops at the damage to media. It will be up to other truth tellers to finish his Tale because the Liberal Authoritarianism Russiagate fostered is still very much with us and has spread much like the corona virus globally as vaccine mandates and passports.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2021 0:33 utc | 278

douglas Brooker #208

plan c uk ? issue foot shackles to the general pubic in the new year.as people waddle around like penguin's it will help slow down the spread of the virus. [british humour] no/s tag needed.

Brilliant! Now you motivated me to retort:
Apologies to Monty Python and all dead parrots.
And b who can feel free to delete if not to his taste or too long:

(Barflies skip if you are averse to dark or weak humor.)

Dead VAX script

The cast:

MR. Citizen

NIAID director, Dr Fauci

The sketch:

Citizen enters Dr. Fauci's clinic

Citizen: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(Fauci does not respond.)

Citizene: 'Ello, Miss?

Dr. Fauci: What do you mean "miss"?

Citizen: (pause)I'm sorry, I have a fever and an itchy throat. I wish to make a complaint!

Dr. Fauci: We're closin' for lunch.

Citizen: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this child what I got vaccinated not half an hour ago from this very clinic.

Dr. Fauci: Oh yes, the, uh, she looks a bit Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with her? Is the mask too tight?

Citizen: I'll tell you what's wrong with her, my lad. 'SHE's dead, that's what's wrong with her!

Dr. Fauci: No, no, she's uh,...she's resting.

Citizen: Look, matey, I know a dead child when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Dr. Fauci: No no she's not dead, she's, she's restin'! Remarkable children, the vaxinated Blue ones, idn'it, ay? Beautiful tone!

Citizen: The tone don't enter into it. she's stone dead.

Dr. Fauci: Nononono, no, no! 'she's resting!

Citizen: All right then, if she's restin', I'll wake her up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Polly child! I've got a lovely fresh scone for you if you show...

(Fauci hits the crib)

Dr. Fauci: There, she moved!

Citizen: No, she didn't, that was you hitting the crib!

Dr. Fauci: I never!!

Citizen: Yes, you did!

Dr. Fauci: I never, never did anything...

Citizen: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your daddy!

(Takes child out of the cage and thumps it on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

Citizen: Now that's what I call a dead child.

Dr. Fauci: No, no.....No, 'she's stunned!

Citizen: STUNNED?!?

Dr. Fauci: Yeah! You stunned her, just as she was wakin' up! Blues stun easily.

Citizen: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That child is definitely deceased, and when I vaccinated 'er not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following her horse paste treat.

Dr. Fauci: Well, she's...she's, ah...probably pining for the ivermectin.

Citizen: PININ' for the ivermectin?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did she fall flat on her back the moment I got 'her home?

Dr. Fauci: The Blues prefer horse paste and sleeping on it's back! Remarkable child, id'nit, squire? Lovely blue tone!

Citizen: Look, I took the liberty of examining that child when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting upright in the first place was that it had been stiffened there.

(pause)

Dr. Fauci: Well, o'course it was stiffened there! If I hadn't stiffed that child at the time of vax, it could have od'd on black sesame seeds, and VOOM! transubstantiated!

Citizen: "VOOM", trasubtantiated?!? Mate, this child wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'SHE's bleedin' demised!

Dr. Fauci: No no! 'SHE's od'd on spike protein or perhaps graphene!

Citizen: 'SHE's not od'd'! 'SHE's passed on! This child is no more! She has ceased to be! 'SHE's expired and gone to meet 'er maker! 'SHE's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'she rests in peace! If you hadn't stiffed 'er 'she'd be pushing up the daisies! 'er metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'SHE's off the twig! 'SHE's kicked the bucket, 'she's shuffled off 'er mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-child!!

(pause)

Dr. Fauci: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of children.

Citizen: I see. I see, I get the picture.

Dr. Fauci: (pause) I got a puppy.

(pause)

Citizen: Pray, does it talk?

Dr. Fauci: Nnnnot really.

Citizen: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

Dr. Fauci: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)

Citizen: Well.

(pause)

Dr. Fauci: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?

Citizen: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

Alternate ending:

Citizen: (sweet as sugar) Pray, does it talk?

Dr. Fauci: Nnnnot really.

Citizen: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

Dr. Fauci: Look, if you go to my brother's clinic in Australia, he'll replace the child for you and they have holiday accomodation.

Citizen: Australia, eh? Very well.

(The customer leaves.)

(The customer enters the same clinic. Fauci is putting on a false moustache.)

Citizen: This is Australia, is it?

Dr. Fauci: (with a fake mustache) No, it's Ipswich.

Citizen: (looking at the camera) That's inter-city rail to Queensland for you.

(Citizen goes to the train station. He addresses an assumed man standing behind a desk marked "Complaints".)

Citizen: I wish to complain, Australian-Railways Person.

Attendant: (shouting) I DON'T HAPPEN TO IDENTIFY AS MALE, YOU KNOW!!!

Citizen: I beg your pardon...?

Attendant: I'm a qualified brain surgeon! I only do this job because I like being my own boss!

Citizen: Excuse me, this is irrelevant, isn't it?

Attendant: Yeah, well it's not easy being a virologist, you know.

Citizen: Well, I wish to complain. I got on the Australian train and found myself deposited here in Ipswich.

Attendant: No, this is Boston.

Citizen: (to the camera) Dr Fauci was lying!!

Attendant: Can't blame Australian Rail for that.

Citizen: In that case, I shall return to the vaccination clinic!

He does.

Citizen: I understand this IS Boston.

Dr. Fauci: (still with the fake mustache) Yes?

Citizen: You told me it was Ipswich, Australia!

Dr. Fauci: ...It was a pun.

Citizen: (pause) A PUN?!?

Dr. Fauci: No, no...not a pun...What's that thing that spells the same backwards as forwards?

Citizen: (Long pause) A palindrome...?

Dr. Fauci: Yeah, that's it!

Citizen: It's not a palindrome! The palindrome of "Boston" would be "Notsob"!! It don't work!! Do you think I'm an Australian?

Dr. Fauci: Well, I thought Ukranian, what do you want?

Citizen: I'm not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think this is getting too silly!

Dr. Fauci: I can refer you and your blue child to one of our medium density holiday camps for the unvaccinated if you like.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 0:42 utc | 279

Posted by: Karl Schulze | Dec 8 2021 20:42 utc | 224
If I ignore your nuanced use of words relating to communism then you make a lot of sense.

"IMO, attempting to contain China at this point in time is the most stupidest policy goal one could follow given the degree of dependency."
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2021 21:47 utc | 248
Could not agree more, but I am unable to get anywhere near this point with my fellow kangaroos. Even sitting in houses where nearly every single thing there, and pretty much every single thing the person has ever owned, was made in China?! The reality disconnect of 26 million being such cunts to 1447 million who they are utterly reliant upon...

And could we please not get all nasty about tiny details of the ancient civilization thing? I think everyone is agreeing that it goes back further than generally appreciated. Remember that we have the blood of Neanderthals and Denisovans in us and our expansions follow the same routes established by Homo Erectus around 1.8 million years ago.

Posted by: Rae | Dec 9 2021 0:43 utc | 280

I want to send my kudos to those keeping us abreast of the Covid and vaccine scene, which is becoming a very ugly totalitarian exercise every bit as dangerous as what's happening between Russia and NATO. IMO, it's now clear that international BigPharma is led by Anti-Human Neoliberals of the most vile sort, and they and the governments under their control must be confronted before the situation deteriorates any further.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2021 0:45 utc | 281

karlof1 #248

Honest economic numbers would rank China as the world's #1 economy, and it's superiority in geoeconomics is demonstrated by the article I linked @211 proving beyond doubt the Outlaw US Empire's dependency on its trade with China. IMO, attempting to contain China at this point in time is the most stupidest policy goal one could follow given the degree of dependency.

Thank you for that entire post. It is so embarrassing to observe the idiocy and irrelevant posturing of the west. Diplomatic engagement is vital in these times and all we see are churlish games of fools. Very sad.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 0:57 utc | 282

Norweigan - You are an archeologist?

The bits about the asteroid impact in Michigan and the tidal pools in Carolina and Nebraska seem logical to me.

The baby woolly mammoth flash frozen with food in it mouth makes one ponder.

I just watched part one for the evidence of high technology in the past. Intriguing, but not convincing, which was disappointing, as I had hoped for more.

I entertain the idea that there have been advanced civilizations long before ours came into being, unexplained things here and there that defy our understanding and/or technology. I wonder how long after our civilization disappears would it take before everything we have built would completely disappear? 1k years, 2k years, more?

I guess some things will always remain a mystery to us.

I am off to watch part two.

Posted by: David F | Dec 9 2021 1:11 utc | 283

@283 We are certainly leaving lots of evidence in the landfills and oceans.

Posted by: dh | Dec 9 2021 1:16 utc | 284

Thanks for the many replies! Sorry I can't get to them all. IMO, Most will agree on the contents of this article: "Americans Need a Conspiracy Theory They Can All Agree on." Patrick Armstrong begins:

"There is a conspiracy theory that the CIA put the very expression into general use to discredit alternate theories about the murder of President Kennedy. Perhaps that’s true – there is a CIA document – but the expression has been around for a long time. At any event it has become a slur to discredit political opponents. The accusation replaces rational discussion....

"Conspiracy theories abound in the USA today. But, it should be made clear from the outset of this discussion that there are two different kinds of conspiracy theories – unacceptable ones and acceptable ones."

And he concludes:

"But agreeing on a common enemy is one thing, the internal divisions are something else. In this respect the Reagan Foundation survey cited above is indicative. It finds that disbelief is spreading rapidly in the American population: trust in all institutions is dropping; confidence in the US military is dropping; support for active global leadership is dropping. A survey just now shows a slight majority of American youth regarding their democracy as in trouble. Not the strongest foundation for more foreign adventures.

"A deeply divided country: there is no common conversation in the United States today – one person’s conspiracy theory is another’s truth."

Two-thirds through, he provides some startling stats that for some aren't so startling:

"In short, rather than using the useless expletive 'conspiracy theory', it would be more accurate to say that theories that run counter to conventional wisdom abound in the United States today. Some of them – Q-Anon – fail the test of falsifiability, others do not. Some have received enough attention to make them more or less probable, others have not. In this respect, it is appropriate to look at what Americans think of their mass media. To an older generation 'I read it in the paper' meant something but a Gallup poll in October tells us that it doesn’t mean much today. Only 7% of US adults surveyed had a 'great deal' of 'trust and confidence' and 29% 'a fair amount'; the 'trusters' were outnumbered by the 29% who had 'none at all' and 34% 'not very much'; in 1997 the trusters were 53%. Does anyone expect that decline to reverse? Another poll says the USA ranks last in media trust of 86 countries. One more shows a major political division. No one should be surprised – the mainstream media was full of one conspiracy theory and ignored the other." [My Emphasis]

So we have the reason for all the hysteria about Russia invading Ukraine--the Narrative has died along with its announcers but old habits die hard so we're inundated with All the Lies Fit to Print in tandem with massive falsification of the pandemic. The destruction of trust in institutions is a very dangerous thing, although in this case it appears right and proper given the decades of continual lies to justify killing a pillaging.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2021 1:21 utc | 285

Shit! I can't possibly read all these pearl-o'-wisdom comments. Way too much fo' me! So do NOT read this one either. Just stop!

If you are some sort of masochist or screwball, read this one too. It won't bite-cha. I am making a rare prediction.

Russia is about to 'invade' the Ukraine. Of course the CIA/FBI/fascist Pervasive Shadow Dictatorship (PSD) Master Media will announce that this is 'typical Russian aggression'. There actually exists a high possibility that the USA/EU/UK civilian population will simply spin off this propaganda. Not that it matters anyhow, since of course the CIA/FBI/fascist Pervasive Shadow Dictatorship (PSD) could not care less what the peasants think.

So.. Get ready for the monster psy-op of your life! It's gonna be Prime Time Everywhere! Big Propaganda Blowout!

Posted by: blues | Dec 9 2021 1:30 utc | 286

re: cirsium | Dec 9 2021 0:12 utc | 275

Thanks for the better analysis. I was going off the news article but didn't see the actual speech.
And you are spot on, the Nuremberg Codes are the elephant in the room.

Listed #1 in the Nuremburg Code
see https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2011/04/BMJ_No_7070_Volume_313_The_Nuremberg_Code.pdf

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 9 2021 1:41 utc | 287

@Roger #269
Purchasing power attempts to correct for the relative value of income in each nation to a common standard but still says nothing about disposable income as individuals or as a nation.
If China’s purchasing power is merely 20% higher than the US but it has 424% the population - this still underscores the reality that the average Chinese is far far poorer than the average American.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 9 2021 1:50 utc | 288

Norwegian #244

We can only make guesses of the capabilities of previous civilizations based on what was left behind in various places around the world, for example in Mount Nokogiriyama in Japan, but such examples are quite impressive, and there are many other examples.

Thank you, I was unaware of that immense quarry. I will look further.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 2:08 utc | 289

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 8 2021 16:19 utc | 174


Don't be so touchy, it's about old history. The point was only that the place exists.

Point taken, I just wish to highlight the propaganda turd wrapped around that useful kernel of truth.


Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 9 2021 2:22 utc | 290

Just finished part two. We are not the end all that we think we are. So much that we dont know, and yet we pretend that we know everything. Such is hubris, eh?

dh@284 - perhaps, how many thousand of years until that is gone?

Posted by: David F | Dec 9 2021 2:22 utc | 291

Piotr Berman #257

Neo-(cons, libs) remember Cold War when taken together, Communist countries had a small share in the international trade and in the latest years, they became vulnerable to sanctions. Those golden years will not return.

The west has some key patents, a large military to temporarily disrupt other nations or transport or impede ocean trade. Plus it has a surplus of mendacity and expertise to disrupt other nations social and political processes. That is about all. It can only trade in a few ideas rapidly aging, force and mal afide - all decreasing value commodities. It will take time to decline but it only has limited scope to reverse and meanwhile it has sabotaged the intellectual development of its nation.

So yes, those golden years will not return.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 2:25 utc | 292

@291 Google non-biodegradable materials. Some metals, glass and plastics are going to be around forever.

Posted by: dh | Dec 9 2021 2:31 utc | 293

Piotr Berman #260

The stones in megaliths had many thousands of years to bend and achieve exact fit.

Thank you for that but I suspect such a plastic index that settles without deformation cracking is rare among large stone blocks weighing many tons. I am aware of the research into stone plasticising using plant based derivatives.

I am unaware of refutations of this but am happy to consider.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 2:38 utc | 294

@Posted by: K | Dec 8 2021 20:36 utc | 220

This is neither marxism, nor socialism, nor communism by nay hint of imagination, that is part of the elités play, convine the iditoized Western masses, who never saw rela communism that this techonsanitary dictatorship has any resemblance to that system.

The real left is not curtrently organized as a left proper, not as a party, but are in the middle of the crows, as the "left" label has been so perverted, I think nobody in the old gurad has any intention ibun lding nothing called the "left" anymore, since "euroleftists" from Soros´factories and CIA operatives hijacked the last mass working class movement the "indignados" and disarticulated it iunder payement of being allowed to make government colaition through the EU, The current German government is such engender, do not expect from them any change in any case more comprador stance, as they have debts to pay, to their funders, especially The Greens...
It happens the same with the British hijvked labour byu Starmer, i saw that video linked by someone on the Christmas party affair and clearly saw the paln is to substitute the already burnt governments along two years of pandemic from those apparently of " the left".

But these "left parties" are so left as the currently couunter demostrations whio have appeared recently i nAustria and Germany, allegedly "antifa", but not those who would hold the sickle and the hammer. but that banner with two flags one red and another black inside a circle, very young people, children indeed, multiracial, the same age as those of the Hong Kong revolutiuon, shouting "Put the Mask, Against the State and Capital"...so that to paint the crwoded demonstrations as far-right or fascist. I can asure you there are no fascists in the demonstrations,this is simply people fighting for their rights and right ti have a living without the state palcing itself the whole day under they noses and butts.
Well, may be a thirdly vaccinated person such swallow such obvious contradictory slogans, since it is the state and capital who is masking you, anyway, it is obvious those who direct them have at this time suhc idea of the people who so willingly left them being turned inti cattle, that they do not care anymore contradcitiong themsleves.

You know perfectly that we are just in the world of inside down, those who manifest themselves as "antifa" and those in the current governments who perform to be "left" are those advancing whatever issue, except what the worries of the citiznes are, or what wpuld stop advancing this fascist state of affairs, which is what it would do a real socialist government. These are impostors who once taken an extraordinary well payed, at least in Spain for the current state the country, they have no intention to leave it, achieved living in exclusive neighborhoods, left the leftist dressing style for the expensive trade marks, travel in Mercedces valued 40.000 euro with chofer, all on the back of millions bankrupted taxpayers and became the same caste they were all the way denoucing until they arrived there. These "euroleft" mainly compossed by young people in their thirties who never had a job in their whole life, except in a scholarship in a NGO or something similar..
They will sold their mother into slavery on condition to not having to return to wake up early in the morning any more to go to any real job.

I myself am from left ideology, currently fighting along whomever wants to put an end to this tyranny, then we will discuss the economics and social...

The real left will not return to politics until a real honest leader from the working class does step up to rise the masses.

Until then do not confuse us with those of the banner with the circle including two flags which are those supporting all the NATO "color revolutions" around the world, included "Rojava"...

If supports NATO, and the currento fascist dictatorship, it is not left, that is the cotton proof, that simple.

Here your NATO´s "Antifa"...so antifa as the Pravyi Sektor..they could all compit to show who is more antifa out there in Ternopil camps...

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1467183978952204293...


Posted by: Black bread | Dec 9 2021 2:40 utc | 295

The video of Boris Johnson getting lambasted in Parliament is here.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2021 23:29 utc | 268
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We new a lot about the clown serving Her Majesty as a Prime Minister. Plying weapons to the mad Crown Prince of Saudia for the purpose of slaughtering and starving Yemenis. Letting his crony profit on COVID supplies. The list is long. But this video talks about something utterly shocking: in the midst of pandemic, on the day of the nativity of Our Lord and Savior, rather than spending a night praying for his nation and the whole world, he had ... you will not believe it ... a Christas Party! A party! And a secret party at that!!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 9 2021 2:50 utc | 296

Don Bacon @ 264
Thanks for the Randolph Bourne quote and link. His point about the ability of the State/Government to mobilize citizens into supporting war efforts reminds me of this snippet of dialog between Hermann Göring and Gustave Gilbert on 18 Apr 1946:

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

But Bourne wrote over a hundred years ago, when people had much greater faith/trust in politics and politicians than they do now.
Even as recently as 1965, three out of four Americans trusted their government. Nowadays the situation has reversed; according to this chart, four out of five Americans distrust their government.

Why? Maybe because the US war machine has conducted such expensive, damaging, and ghastly clusterfucks during our lifetime (in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.) even the slowest of "We The People" are finally saying Enough Is Enough.
At least I hope so!

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 9 2021 3:10 utc | 297

@ Dan Bacon #264 with the link to the vid about Boris "The Liar" Johnson

Thanks for that. It seems like a good indicator of the situation we are in. The question is going to be, how will the public react when a number of these situations coalesce and will the elite be able to steer that energy to their purposes.

Will the Mass - Hypnosis hold?

I doubt it but what a shit show to watch unfold

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2021 3:21 utc | 298

Don Bacon #268

The video of Boris Johnson getting lambasted in Parliament is here.

What do you expect from this grub when his only opposition is the Labor leader from Tel Aviv?

I would expect hypocrisy, groveling apologies, fawning idiocy and elite behaviour from both. So Boris had an illegal party - his entire party should be illegal. These people are the queens chosen ones to sit in their absurd parliament and misrepresent the sheeple so that the queen can continue to fleece them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2021 3:30 utc | 299

@Norwegian
Ignorance is bad wonderful thing.
Nokogiriyama is on the edge of Tokyo Bay, and it is an Edo era quarry - not prehistoric. The Edo period started in 1600 or so.
Tokyo had been continuously inhabited for at least 1000 years, and was formed from the village of Edo (and Edo castle) at the 1600ish time.
So brandishing Nokogiriyama as evidence of some mysterious ancient civilization: no.
The actual evidence of ancient civilization in Japan - the Jomon - is from totally different areas: north Japan (Hokkaido) and south Japan (Kyushu) as opposed to the Tokyo/Osaka tidal plain, although it seems probable some lives there as well.
In any case, the reality is that during and even before the medieval era, Japan had a high demand for stone to construct defensive castles. While the 5000 ish castles were mostly wood, they used a lot of stone for foundations and gate towers.
To put this in perspective: all of Europe has roughly 10000 castles.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 9 2021 3:30 utc | 300

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