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December 01, 2021

Open Thread 2021-93

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Don Bacon | Dec 1 2021 20:27 utc | 26
William Gruff | Dec 1 2021 21:06 utc | 32
jinn | Dec 1 2021 23:23 utc | 50

My reason for posting that article was to show the deviousness of a system that was possibly used. The "Voters" existed in reality. (Ie. on a list). The trickery was in someone else using that vote, knowing that the real person would not appear. (or at least assuming it).

There was no paper "Fraud", such as votes or voting machines being manipulated. Either of which should have become apparent if checked later.

The "proof"? As the article says, this is ongoing and they should be able to show a more consequetial result later. OK - means we wait.

One point is that the IT used to define who would or would not vote began much earlier than the Election itself. (ie. The Billion/millionaire who bought voter roles regularly)


I doubt there is much to be gained by stirring up the situation right now. The ability of Biden to walk and talk, and the ability of a Kamala (if she has any), and then to replace them by a compromised Trump, - the US would be better off having an entirely new election in the case of the rejection of the results of the last one.

BUT, what about the next? (always assuming there is one). Forewarned is forearmed.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 2 2021 9:32 utc | 101

James with multiple musical posts

I discovered this today: Cosmic Transitions by Isaiah Collier & The Chosen Few (Bandcamp link). Somehow it reminds me of the Coltrane of “a love supreme“ and "ascension".

Posted by: phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 102

@97 Norwegian
Try Goon Baiting. Passive agression at its best.

Posted by: Helen | Dec 2 2021 9:55 utc | 103

I thought trump would win 2020, as I predicted that biden's campaign would be swiftboated by the case of Biden family corruption in Ukraine and by Biden's creepy groping videos. I was naive to not anticipate that the MSM would conspire to shut down those stories.

Posted by: mastameta | Dec 2 2021 10:33 utc | 104

@waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 7:57 utc | 99

The 'once again' should have been in bold print. Many here @MoA know that the
Nazis occupied our land for over 5 years in WWII, but some probably do not. The resistance
was strong then and we must exhibit that strength now, again! In Tromsø last week we rejected a plan
for local vaccine passports - a small but important victory.

My grand uncle (brother of my grandfather) was a professor at the University of Oslo during the WWII German Nazi occupation and was imprisoned. These memories are very real. The former minister Vidkun Quisling committed a coup on the day of the Nazi attack (9. April 1940) under the umbrella of the German Nazis. His name will for eternity be synonymous with 'traitor'. We are once again subject to similar ideologies.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 11:20 utc | 105

RE: Posted by: Hoyeru | Dec 1 2021 23:16 utc | 48

“at their own game, using Game Theory. “

Mr. von Neumann like Mr. Brzezinsky was a stranger in a strange land working his passage, and hence he was careful not to undermine his “assets” which he realised were compromised, but remained appreciative of the half-lives of “Game theory”, whilst Mr. Brzezinsky dressed “strategies” of the Second Polish Republic and presented them as being his own productions.

A common factor in facilitating the endeavours of both Mr. von Neumann and Mr. Brzezinsky was the “target audiences'” beliefs.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Dec 2 2021 12:43 utc | 106

Grieved @ 75. Interesting point

The Fed seems to definitely be contributing to the huge amount of 'potential' money tied up in derivatives, the stock market, and real estate.

If this huge amount of potential money, largely denominated in USD, began chasing resources I'm sure it would lead to hyperinflation. There seems to be no plan to let the air (money) out of this system gradually. It's probably not possible to do anyway without a pretty complete transformation of the financial system.

We should probably take a note from China in 1950 that it can be useful to arrest people for financial fraud and damaging speculation.

Considering Michael Hudson (leaning toward marxism) and Stepanie Kelton (an MMTer), both of these systems only work if the government actually works to help the people which implies it is run by the people and not corporations.

Posted by: financial matters | Dec 2 2021 13:36 utc | 107

Well james, at least you got one post in before the thread went Covid/fascism - and thanks.

I'll see your Silver and raise you a Rahsaan Roland Kirk:

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 1 2021 17:59 utc | 5


re: poor James and the drag of ignoring covid/fascism & and Aussie concentration camps....

You and he can stick your head in the sand or wake up, choice is your's.

Some of us prefer not to permanently stick our heads in the sand though.....

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Dec 2 2021 13:51 utc | 108

You and he can stick your head in the sand or wake up, choice is your's.

Some of us prefer not to permanently stick our heads in the sand though.....

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Dec 2 2021 13:51 utc | 108

Having a snotty and arrogant attitude won't help you carry through with your revolution, sonny. If you really want positive change, the people chatting here are your best allies.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 14:12 utc | 109

stonebird claims:

The trickery was in someone else using that vote, knowing that the real person would not appear. (or at least assuming it).

In most states anyone can download a list of names of people who voted in the 2020 election. If there is any evidence of people listed as having voted but in fact did not vote you would think the evidence would be produced and your story would be more than just a rumor on the internet.

The few cases of voter fraud that surface every election are generally of the form of someone lying about their eligibility to vote. They lie about being a citizen or lie about not being a felon.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 14:16 utc | 110

@Grieved #75
Here's a key question that is not addressed in Vighi's timeline:
what caused the banking problem?
In 2008 - the fall of Lehman and AIG was triggered by mortgage defaults.
What is the trigger for 2019? There was no wave of mortgage defaults, no large company running out of cash and therefore throwing a spanner into the web of counterparty obligations.
It is vital for the credibility of Vighi's thesis to identify the trigger.
The type and nature of the trigger is also vitally important.
Was it private sector, say the loans that went into the US fracking industry? Was it sovereign, say government debts in Italy or South America or Turkey?

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:19 utc | 111

Yet another spike into the coffin of the idea that vaccines have any real effect on a vaccinated person catching COVID:
Lancet article on the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated

High COVID-19 vaccination rates were expected to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in populations by reducing the number of possible sources for transmission and thereby to reduce the burden of COVID-19 disease.

Recent data, however, indicate that the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated individuals is increasing. In the UK it was described that secondary attack rates among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% for vaccinated vs 23% for unvaccinated). 12 of 31 infections in fully vaccinated household contacts (39%) arose from fully vaccinated epidemiologically linked index cases. Peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type [[1]].

In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [[2]]. This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27. October 2021 (Figure 1) providing clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission.

A similar situation was described for the UK. Between week 39 and 42, a total of 100.160 COVID-19 cases were reported among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%), 3.395 among the unvaccinated (3.4%) [[3]].

Oh, but Delta! Omicron! say the faithful.

Utter bollocks, say I.

COVID is established in the human population, and therefore ongoing mutations are inevitable. To thus say that a mutated COvid-19 was unexpected and unpredictable is idiocy or incompetence of the highest degree.

I have said, from the start, that COVID is never going away and that any and every strategy to deal with it must take this into consideration.

The "all-in" vaccine strategy pretty clearly is a failure in terms of "controlling" COVID spread. I am not particularly impressed with the concept of other means either - contact tracing etc. We don't contract trace the regular flu because the cost of "preventing" the seasonal flu deaths is simply too high. Not the least bit clear that COVID's higher death rate changes that calculation.

We are in the co-evolution phase with COVID - it will continue to mutate for transmissibility even as the human population is winnowed of those most vulnerable to it.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:31 utc | 112

The Inflammatory threat from Iranian Gen quoted in jpost

I think it was planted by the MEK operative who was later quoted later in the article accusing the 'regime' of mishandling the economy and offering to replace them.

I could not find the Gen's quote anywhere in Iranian media.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Dec 2 2021 14:37 utc | 113

Germany to announce nationwide Covid lockdown for the unvaccinated.

Merkel said today 2/12/21 that mandatory vaccinations are considered from next February on.

This is getting better by the minute.

I’m afraid that they are not spontaneously coming up with these policies to fit the curves; they’re manufacturing the curves to fit the pre-planned policies.

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 15:20 utc | 114

@DG | Dec 2 2021 15:20 utc | 114

I’m afraid that they are not spontaneously coming up with these policies to fit the curves; they’re manufacturing the curves to fit the pre-planned policies.


Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:23 utc | 115

@jinn #110
Can you post 3 or 4 such links? I am curious as to what information is posted, where and by who.
I don't think, however, that a list of "who" voted is anywhere near as useful as you think in detecting fraud.
How many people, who don't vote, check to see that they didn't vote? I'd suspect that number is zero.
Secondly, a fraud which inserts new votes (i.e. votes which are additive to the "correct" count) are only half as useful as votes which flip from one side to the other. A 0.5% shift of votes in one party to the other constitutes a 1% shift in actual relative vote balance. The only way to detect this is by checking what people believe they voted for vs. what they're recorded as voting as.
To be clear - I don't see Dominion machine or whatever style fraud being terribly likely. A random sampling by a 3rd party - calling up people who voted and checking their recollections vs. the voting record - would trivially and cheaply detect such fraud - and this has been done. It is a trivial mathematical exercise to determine how many people should be randomly sampled in order to have a strong chance to detect such fraud. Law enforcement or election monitoring/management folks should be trivially do this.

There are many ways by which fraudulent votes can effectively be untraceably made. A classic one is the nursing home where all the residents are voted by a "representative". There is also classic vote buying.
The problem I have with the "stolen" election memes isn't that I'm saying fraud didn't occur - it does.
The problem is that fraud occurs on both sides for varied reasons with varied methods. Significant vote fraud has to be emergent from the stew.

That's why I am more believing of systemic bias than outright fraud.
Mail-in ballots are absolutely more fraud-enabling; but it isn't clear that the resulting increased fraud is only one way.
However, if turnout is the primary factor benefiting Democrats - mail-in ballots absolutely and unequivocably increase turnout regardless of fraud levels. The fraud is thus relatively unimportant.

The same can be said for lax voter registration rules. "Easy" voter registration in the form of same day/on-site registration is pretty clearly beneficial to Democrats. Ditto ID rules.
Yes, both are fraud-enabling, but it really doesn't matter if fraud goes up or not.

At the same time, it is 100% clear that people pushing on these issues, one way or the other, are not actually concerned about fraud or fairness or whatever - they are pushing because they know they benefit from implementation of a given practice (or disallowing).

Thus it should be democratically decided practices that are used; the one part of the "stolen election" view that is valid is that the many changes, across the country, made in the 2020 election were certainly never even discussed publicly, much less voted on.

The good news is that the Secretary of State position in many states and municipalities is no longer a sinecure position for party hacks; Trump and Trump supporters are actively engaging in these - which forces the legacy Republicans and Democrats to do the same.
I can only hope that this leads to better represented democratic practices.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 15:27 utc | 116


I will never thank you enough for your “Will you fight” video

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 15:33 utc | 117

@DG | Dec 2 2021 15:33 utc | 117

Well, thank you! But the attention and gratitude should go to Bjørn Andreas Bull-Hansen for his videos with excellent analysis on a personal human level of what is happening. It is possible to subscribe to his blog and be notified of new videos that way, without being logged in to YouTube. But if you subscribe via YouTube you might see him swimming in the icy fjord soon, he has promised to do it when he reaches 500 000 subscribers, and it isn't that far off. This also tells us that there are many who share his and our views.

I find his words to be a reference of sanity in an ever more insane world, where several former well respected analysts have turned out to be representatives of the tyrannical and evil machine, abusing basic human rights.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:53 utc | 118

@c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:19 utc | 111

The trigger for 2019 is the same as for 2008 in the sense that NOTHING changed after 2008, only more money was printed and everyone went back to business-as-usual.

Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 2 2021 16:12 utc | 119

jinn | Dec 2 2021 14:16 utc | 110

"In most states anyone can download a list of names of people who voted in the 2020 election. If there is any evidence of people listed as having voted but in fact did not vote you would think the evidence would be produced and your story would be more than just a rumor on the internet."

I think this evidence is what they are trying to find.

Since votes are secret, only each individual would be able to confirm if they voted one way or the other. BUT since tallies are made of total votes cast, the individual would not know from the published results, if their personal vote had been correctly counted. More so if the person "voting" had never voted, and had no reason to suspect that he "had" done so, by "someone" taking his place.


The key here is the practicality of vote "justifying" (identification of voter with vote), if the person doubled is unaware of his participation. If they didn't vote they didn't care then and they are unlikely to make efforts to find out now.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 2 2021 16:26 utc | 120

Lavrov is in Stockholm today at the 28th meeting of the OSCE Ministerial Council to deliver what is close to an ultimatum aimed at avoiding war at the last presumably neutral venue for the discussion of European affairs. The linked transcript is in Russian. After very critically reviewing the current situation leaving no doubt as to its very serious nature, Lavrov delivers the meat:

"I want it to be very clear: the transformation of our neighboring countries into a springboard for confrontation with Russia, the deployment of NATO forces in the immediate vicinity of strategically important areas for our security is categorically unacceptable. I draw attention to the statement of the CSTO Permanent Council of November 30this year, which emphasizes the inadmissibility of provocative military activity in the territories adjacent to the zone of responsibility of the member countries of the Organization.

"Security is either indivisible or it is not. The political commitments of the OSCE participating States – to strive to build equal and indivisible security, not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others, to take into account the legitimate security interests of other states when determining ways to ensure their own security – are enshrined in such fundamental documents as the Helsinki Final Act, the CSCE Code of Conduct on Politico-Military Aspects of Security, the Charter of the European Security Council. Security, Astana Declaration.

"It is time to translate the right words into long-term, legally binding security guarantees – this is a imperative condition for preventing a slide into a confrontational scenario.

"At the ceremony of presenting his credentials on December 1, President of Russia Vladimir Putin stressed: "We do not require any special conditions for ourselves. We understand that any agreements must certainly take into account the interests of Russia and all Euro-Atlantic countries. A calm, stable situation should be ensured for everyone and is needed by everyone without exception." He also noted the following: "In dialogue with the United States and its allies, we will insist on the development of specific agreements that exclude any further NATO advances to the east and the deployment of weapons systems that threaten us in close proximity to the territory of Russia." In the near future, we will make appropriate proposals. We look forward to their serious consideration, on the merits and without excuses. We think that the OSCE can play a very useful role here." [My Emphasis]

I deep seriousness of the current situation is impossible to downplay, yet there's no main discussion on this topic. On the sidelines of that meeting, Lavrov met with Blinken and delivered the following message:

"The Russian side emphasized the desire to establish a serious, comprehensive dialogue in accordance with the agreements between Presidents Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden reached during the June summit in Geneva, based on the principles of equality and mutual respect for interests. It was emphasized that ignoring Russia's legitimate concerns, drawing Ukraine into the geopolitical games of the United States against the background of the deployment of NATO forces in the immediate vicinity of our borders will have the most serious consequences, forcing to take retaliatory measures to correct the military-strategic balance. An alternative to this, as Sergey Lavrov emphasized, could be long-term security guarantees on our western borders, which should be considered as an imperative requirement.

"Particular attention was paid to the internal Ukrainian conflict. The need for unconditional and full implementation of the Minsk complex by Kiev, including maintaining a direct dialogue with the authorities of the LPR and the DPR, was emphasized. In this context, it was noted that the latest initiatives to change the domestic legislation of Ukraine directly contradict the Minsk agreements." [My Emphasis]

IMO, the actual delivery was probably not as diplomatic as this readout makes it appear. Yesterday prior to leaving for Stockholm, Lavrov participated in Government Hour at the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly, giving an address and conducting a Q&A session (incomplete English), Complete Russian transcript with video. The Russian transcript contains a Q&A dealing with Minsk 2 Agreement's viability that Lavrov goes into extreme detail to answer that is a must read. I will reproduce it in my next comment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:05 utc | 121

phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 102 thanks! listening now... i might have heard this fellow before.. are they american or british? sounds american, but i remember hearing some group from the uk doing something similar a few years ago... yes - a bit like late coltrane.. they seem to be going for that vibe and coming from that background... it is hard to replicate mccoy tyner, jimmy garrison, elvin and coltrane, but they are doing a great job of it! it is like an intersection between free jazz and inside jazz and coltrane was definitely on the cutting edge with regard to this. in fact, elvin left the band due this, and the addition of a 2nd drummer of course.. he did play with ravi after ravi's dad was gone though... thanks for sharing! great stuff!

@ Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 14:12 utc | 109... thanks for saying all that, much better then i could! you are exactly right...

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2021 17:11 utc | 122


More so if the person "voting" had never voted, and had no reason to suspect that he "had" done so, by "someone" taking his place.
In most places jury pools are selected from voter lists. So what happens when the people who have not voted find out they has been picked as a perspective juror based on their voting record or get contacted by a survey company that uses voting records?. Or what happens if they decide to vote for a change and find out someone else has already voted in their name? Millions of dollars have been thrown at creating stories that voter fraud exists. Why not spend some of that money contacting voters randomly selected from the rolls and find out what percentage did (or did not) actually vote?

The notion that its easy to vote in someone else's name and get away with it is just pure speculation.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 17:14 utc | 123

C1ue wrote:

Can you post 3 or 4 such links? I am curious as to what information is posted, where and by who.

If you are asking about voter lists, why don't you google "voter lists"? Of the millions of results you will get I'm sure you will find at least one that caters to your biases.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 17:19 utc | 124

@karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:05 utc | 121

Your coverage of this topic is very much appreciated. Thank you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 17:21 utc | 125

As promised, here's Lavrov's answer about Minsk-2's viability via machine translation:

"Question: How do you assess the possibility of official Kiev's implementation of the Minsk agreements? Is there a possibility of the Russian Federation imposing sanctions on Ukraine for non-compliance with the Minsk agreements?

"Sergey Lavrov: In principle, we are against unilateral sanctions. In the case of Ukraine, they would be one-sided. Ukraine itself 'sanctioned' many of our citizens, individual enterprises. These enterprises do not contribute to Ukraine's GDP. At the same time, economically mutually beneficial ties continue perfectly. No one is outraged. They resent situations that can be 'dispersed' in the media space without any damage to themselves. This is a specific feature of Ukrainian leaders. In response, we also took the necessary measures against inveterate, noted Russophobes who are daily noted on the media platform with unacceptable statements.

"As for the prospects for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, we are trying to achieve their implementation. Ukraine, in my opinion, is already a lost case in terms of the implementation of the UN Security Council humanitarian resolution [Thus citing the UN Genocide Convention in Putin's recent decree]. We heard President Zelensky in the first weeks and months of his rule say that the Minsk Agreements are bad and must be preserved in order to continue western sanctions against the Russian Federation. All. It's not better to say to sign what you're really worth. Numerous statements by the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Ministers, The Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Defense, the commanders of the joint forces operations, the commander of the armed forces of Ukraine – the Minsk agreements are outdated. [Garbled by machine translation]

"Recently, the newly baked A.Y. Reznikov, who was Deputy Prime Minister, then worked in the Contact Group, and now became The Minister of Defence, said that this is a political document, it cannot be considered as some kind of international legal obligation. Then how to evaluate the UN Security Council resolution? They say that this document is outdated, it was adopted by the previous administration, we need something new: the Americans, the British to attract, and everything will be fine. At the same time, legislative preparations are underway to destroy the Minsk agreements, at least as far as Ukraine's obligations are concerned. I am referring to the laws on language and education that have already been adopted (which directly discriminate entrify the Russian language). There, at first, the Ukrainian language was brought to a priority place in comparison with all other languages of national minorities. Subsequently, as we expected, an exception was made for the languages of the European Union. Russian turned out to be the only one completely discriminated rather not only in the field of education, but also in everyday life. So, for example, in a store you can just run into a criminal case if you turn to some obstinate seller or saleswoman in Russian language, and they will not like it.

"Now the most important law is being prepared. President of Russia Vladimir Putin has repeatedly drawn the attention of German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron to the law on the peculiarities of the state policy of the transition period, which simply negates the Minsk agreements. Where there should be a universal, unconditional amnesty for all participants in the events (when there were hostilities), lustration is recorded and criminal prosecution of the leaders of these two regions, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, is directly prescribed. Instead of organizing elections and including a special status of Donbass in the constitution, it is written that a civil-military administration will be created there (without any elections). It is written that the armed forces of Ukraine need to restore the territorial integrity of the country. After the troops are sent there, they will announce that a civil-military administration has been created, and it will be possible to forget about the status, and about the elections, and about everything else. Our President, in a conversation with Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron, raised this issue several times. They assured that they would do everything to prevent this law from being adopted. But the process is underway. The Ukrainians sent this law to the Council of Europe, the Venice Commission, which, despite the position outlined by our members of the Commission that the law directly contradicts the Minsk agreements and the relevant UN Security Council resolution, did not take this argument into account at all. They were looking at it in terms of legal technique. As a result, they wrote that here it is necessary to correct, and here it is a little changed, and so everything. We were forced to make public my correspondence with colleagues from France and Germany. These are very specific things that have been put on paper. They were offended. But they couldn't say anything on the merits. For many years, we have been promised to influence Kiev to make it intelligible, but nothing happens. On the contrary, Kiev is becoming more and more arrogant in its aggressiveness towards the Minsk agreements, towards the Russian Federation and in its attempts to provoke the West to support its bellicose aspirations. Let everyone know what is really happening, what our so-called partners promise us and what they are actually succeeding in. But we're never going to break down, and we're never going to say, 'That's it, I'm dead, I'm dead.' Let them say this, and we will demand the implementation of UN Security Council resolutions." [My Emphasis]

There were other questions of importance to Russia's development and security, but the Ukraine and NATO issues are entwined and by far the most serious with Russia accused of plotting Aggressive Warfare while Kiev at the insistence of the Outlaw US Empire/NATO actively does so daily. However, the entire session was a showcase of Lavrov's amazingly wide range of knowledge and involvement in Russia's affairs, foreign and domestic, that puts other nations ministers on a lower level.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:24 utc | 126

@ phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 102 ... further into the listening, it reminds me a lot of pharoah sanders... not sure if you are familiar with his music.. here is a beautiful song you might enjoy -

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2021 17:25 utc | 127

@Idiocrates #119
2008 was caused by NINJA mortgages no longer getting paid, in turn causing counterparty fails all the way to the MBS's they were packaged into.
2019 - where were the foreclosures? Who are the counterparties failing to deliver?
Nor is your statement that money printing is the cause (and according to the original article, the effect), particularly useful.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 17:26 utc | 128

Since this is the OT.

I need some advice.
living in germany, I'm not able to purchase invermectin.

is there somebody out there with a good address to order.
best case would be a complete pack witch would ad the right corticosteroid, vitamins whatever...

i have absolutely lost trust into the 4 medications avaible here.
i don't care much about my own good, but i would like to have a fallback position in case that my parents get sick.

Posted by: kartoschka | Dec 2 2021 17:29 utc | 129

@jinn #124
I ask for examples of the lists you reference precisely to understand where you get your views from.
Secondly, it is not clear to me that you understand the difference between an official government voter list as opposed to Democrat or Republican voter lists or some other organization's voter lists.
I've seen national level Democrat and Republican voter lists - they are junk. Out of date, full of data entry and data combination errors, etc etc - they are primarily used for fundraising purposes via junk mail.
Actual state/local voter lists, on the other hand, could theoretically be more accurate.
It is far from clear that these are open to the public, however, and also what is contained in them hence my question to you.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 17:30 utc | 130

"Russian Foreign Ministry Statement on the planned US summit for democracy" in English. Here's the document's Preamble couched in diplomatic niceties:

"In connection with the so called summit for democracy to be held on December 9-10 at the initiative of the US administration, we consider it necessary to make the following statement.

"The organisers and enthusiasts behind this strange event claim to lead the world in advancing the cause of democracy and human rights. However, the track record and reputation of the United States, Great Britain, and the EU member states in terms of respecting democratic rights and freedoms at home, as well as in the international arena, are, to put it mildly, far from ideal.

"The evidence suggests that the United States and its allies cannot and should not claim the status of a 'beacon' of democracy, since they themselves have chronic problems with freedom of speech, election administration, corruption and human rights.

"The editorial policy of major Western media outlets is, in fact, controlled by the partisan and corporate elites. Well-oiled mechanisms for censorship, self-censorship and the removal of unwanted accounts and content from digital platforms are used to suppress dissent in the media, which represents a gross violation of the right to free expression promoted by the West.

"Social media platforms controlled by US corporations are widely used for disinformation, propaganda and manipulation of public opinion. Mass electronic surveillance by intelligence agencies and the IT corporations that collaborate with them has become a reality of daily life in Western states."

Here's one passage from the body:

"Lobbying in the United States is, in fact, legalised corruption. Legislatures are de facto controlled by big business. Both within the country and internationally, they primarily defend the interests of their sponsors, such as private corporations, rather than the people, voters.

"Against this backdrop, the democratising rhetoric coming from Washington is not only completely disconnected from reality, but is also utterly hypocritical. Before embarking on the path of 'exporting democracy,' we urge our North American partners to first address their problems at home, and to try to overcome the deepening divisions in society on matters of ethics, values, and vision of the country’s past and future. Humbly admitting that US democracy is not perfect is clearly not enough." [My Emphasis]

And of course, there's much more. I hope the event sees some very visible dissent; since it's a video summit, dissenting participants ought to log-in, listen a bit, then log out and turn off their systems resulting in a sea of blank screen shots that BigLie Media will find hard to censor.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:35 utc | 131

Norwegian @125--

Thanks for your reply! I'm saddened that I must be the one to post all that, but IMO it must be done by someone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:37 utc | 132

@ 126
The Minsk agreement calls for Donbass to be an autonomous region. There are over a hundred such regions in the world, in dozens of countries. It's not unusual.
In fact Crimea was an autonomous region prior to the US-led coup in Kiev, 2014. So would giving autonomy to Donbass also lead to a Russian takeover? It has to be affirmed that Donbass would remain part of Ukraine, which seems to be the position of people (ethnic Russians) in the area.
But that is all surpassed by the larger fact that the US and its Ukraine puppets have no interest in Minsk. Destabilization and impending war are US specialties; there's more money and political power in it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 2 2021 17:39 utc | 133

@Posted by: MagdaTam | Dec 2 2021 12:43 utc | 106

A message circulating on Telegram by allegedly Michael Yeadon accounts for the whole operation so called "Great Reset" informing us we are already at well advanced phase 5, with next phase 6 culminating in February-March 2022...

As they despair and thus accelerate pace without even any care in showing themselves so openly, I saw myself yesterday inclined more to look for rentals in an overseas country tham in commenting any more..Stefan Zweig odyssei is occupying my thinkimgs these days as soon as I wake up and when going to sleep...

Some here we can not even trust medical services....There are people willing even to die at home than to risk being intubated by their haters....

Do you have any advice with regard where to go before the circle strongly closes and the key thrown to the deep sea?

Amongst the measures included in the plan are, forbidding of any medication, vaccines yearly of every six month rationing of food and application of "Codex Alimentarius", devalorization of money, elimination of debts and loans, rescue of bankrupted banks with customers bank accounts, requisition of propieties and lands, full digital identity, from birth certificate, identity card, driving license, sanitary card, to new digital portfolio and wallet, jailing and removal of opposition starting with leaders, all this under martial law which is about to fall...

Why the escape of three healthy teenagers who had tested negative from a "Resilience Camp" ( in neolanguese..) in Australia would had caused a disaster at global escale? Is it because they could had warned us about something?

Why do you think the Russian go along with this?

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 134

Don Bacon @133--

Recall the referendum taken by the Donbass Republics somewhat in tandem with Crimea on joining Russia didn't return the sort of overwhelming result for such a proposition being at all easy. Would the result differ today is a good question, however, most Most Donbass residents enjoy the fruits of Russian citizenship while not living within Russia, and that status was enhanced by the laws passed to activate Putin's recent decree. I'm reminded of the creeping towards war after Hitler became Chancellor, with the 2014 Ukraine Coup similar to the combination of the Anschluss and Sudeten Crisis--a process not lost of Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 18:04 utc | 135

Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:53 utc | 118

“ Well, thank you! But the attention and gratitude should go to Bjørn Andreas Bull-Hansen for his videos with excellent analysis on a personal human level of what is happening. It is possible to subscribe to his blog and be notified of new videos that way, without being logged in to YouTube.”

I did all of the above, especially the YT thing because I wanna see him swim in the fjord 😝

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:20 utc | 136

@karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:37 utc | 132

Don’t be sad. You are doing an excellent job covering this really very important issues. Honestly I’m an avid reader of your comments.

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:30 utc | 137

@Posted by: Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75

This has been the Fed playbook since the 1987 crash, when the "Greenspan Put" was inaugurated. It removes the Schumpeterian creative destruction required to cleanse excess capital and risk-seeking from the economy, so every bubble gets bigger as the players take more and more risk - early 1990s bond market debacle, Russian debt-default, Asia crisis, LTCM, bubble crash, 2002/2003 short-term paper crisis (big corporations started being unable to sell short-term bills to finance their working capital, so the Fed dumped interest rates starting the 2000s housing bubble), GFC, 2018 small crash, Covid. Without this the deregulation and financial concentration wave would have smashed to a halt in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Could be said to have started even earlier with the Mexico debt bailout (all losses taken by the Mexicans and the US treasury rather than the banks), and there was also the S&L crisis at the end of the 1980s (full of criminality that was never dealt with, and the bad players all walked away with their ill-gotten gains as the US treasury and depositors swallowed the losses - also removed a whole segment of competition for the big banks).

At the end 2019 the levels of debt and risk were so high, the very small tightening was threatening to crash things so the only way forward was more money to the banks, in the form of repos in the 4th quarter of 2019 (Fed buys assets from the banks for new money) and then outright cash purchases of distressed assets (mortgage backed securities, corporate bonds, high yield bonds etc from March 2019). Covid provided a very nice cover. Same playbook as the 2008 GFC, complete non-transparency so that the Fed can buy illiquid assets well above fair-value and give money to the "chosen" ones so that the end result is greater concentration of wealth through both the socialization of debt (private debt swapped for public debt and public money) and socially selective pain (householders, unemployed etc.).

I thought that 2008 was the end of this process, but the Fed has managed to engineer one more party. Now we have near zero interest rates and so much debt that even a small interest rate rise would crash the financial and housing markets. I am sure that the Fed is working on the next steps, a good bit of inflation would be useful - real negative interest rates without having to cut nominal rates below the politically and economically explosive zero bound. Problem is that the population at some point becomes unable to pay even small bits of capital and interest on their massive debts. The last phase in Japan in the early 1990s was multi-generational mortgages, in the US just prior to 2008 interest only "claimed" income mortgages. maybe one last blow off before another hangover period and more Fed largesse for its friends while the mass of the population sinks into debt servitude and second/third world standards of living.

Interesting how gold keeps getting smashed down in an environment that resembles the 1970s stagflation. If more of that money gets out into the real economy (instead of inflating financial assets and housing) inflation won't be so transitory. Of course, the US statistics bureau will use its usual magic to keep the published inflation numbers well below reality to hide the reality of the continual reduction in the living standards of the mass of the US population that has been going on for four plus decades.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 2 2021 18:40 utc | 138

@ Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 134

“ Why do you think the Russian go along with this?”

This is my question too. I haven’t found a convincing answer yet.

Meanwhile I’m reading again Hannah Arendt

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:44 utc | 139

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 11:20 utc | 105
My grand uncle ... was imprisoned. These memories are very real.
Not very many degrees of separation from the Nazi occupation for most here in Norway. The US has
never been touched by that kind of terror. (9/11 not even close!) For the past 12 years I’ve been researching
the resistance here in the north (Operation Martin & Baalsrud) and frequently walk by the place where 8 were
gunned down chained together and kicked into a mass grave, some still alive. Yes, it’s still real.

We are once again subject to similar ideologies.
Agreed. This time they’re coming with stealth rather than storm-troopers. But they are coming.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 18:44 utc | 140

@ Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 134

“ Why do you think the Russian go along with this?”

This is my question too. I haven’t found a convincing answer yet.

Meanwhile I’m reading again Hannah Arendt
Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:44 utc | 139

The longer they let it go, the stronger they get, and the weaker we get. Russians have been pretty clear about that argument, some of them. Same applies to China. We (Uncle Sugar, the West) are the ones that are running out of time, BECAUSE of our crappy government and narcissistic elites.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 19:01 utc | 141

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:37 utc | 132
I'm saddened that I must be the one to post all that, but IMO it must be done by someone.

Cheer up karlof1. Your work is noble. Your voracious appetite for researching and your splendid analyses that you pass on is prolly taken for granted a lot of the time but I'm certain I speak for many in saying that what you do is greatly appreciated.[My emphasis, heh]

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 19:11 utc | 142

@ Posted by: Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75

As I keep on saying here regularly History is Money.
We can’t understand the former without fully understanding the later.

People are kept stupid about History which they believe they KNOW, because they are told from birth by parents. Reinforced throughout their lives with culture (propaganda, entertainment, war memorials) and Academia.

And then being totally ignorant of the truth they teach it to their kids! See? How easily transmissible the disease is made? Remember there were no Santa Claus in the 1800’s !
Now several hundred new films & TV programs are made EVERY year!!!

All of which are controlled by the Money.

When it comes to Money and history of Money. People know NOTHING. There are massive fairytales (which resemble religions even) constructed over centuries that keep us dumb. Economics, Capitalism, Marxism etc.

You will see ever more clearly as you gain further incredible perspective by just following the Money. As I have had to over the last half dozen years. When you do and start taking on the Narratives- Past , Present AND Future (the ones being implemented for the rest of this century’s new lies, then you will know the real enemies of most of humanity and environment.

All best.

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 2 2021 19:47 utc | 143

karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:05 utc | 121

Well done for your continuing efforts to keep us informed. Thanks a lot as I actually rely on them.

I must say that Lavrov must sometimes get the impression that he is talking to a blank wall. Nobody in the EU or US commanditariat appear to be listening.
The Donbass situation is that the NATO goons want to "advance" eastwards but now cannot, without actually stepping into what could be a nasty fight (for them). But they have to "move" if they want any more financial goodies in their christmas stockings.
The EU "gave" another €600 million, to the Ukes for something or other. No doubt that will follow the trail to tax havens in Delaware and London as usual. EU, trying to be an inhuman imitation of an generous grand parent? So they have arrived at continued payments ad infinitum, and they won't be able to stop.
The US is all "talk and threat, but don't get your feet wet".
Ukraine (or at least Zelensky), wants so much to be a big guy but nobody will talk to him, especially Putin. His position gets more uncertain every day as long as he cannot get Russia to do what ever he wants (Fight, give him gas, give him paper money for transits). His forces are now getting cold feet as the weather gets colder.

BUT, but, but, Russia won't budge, and the others know it. Putin can and will wait. His troops are in adapted warm quarters and insulated tents. Machines are snow tested and there are lots of them he can move around, which will force the Ukes to move camps and redig defenses continually.

Negotiation is the only way "forward" for NATO and all the others. I wonder how long it will take for them to realise it?

**** ***
A bit grimmer. There is a video taken by thermal camera showing Ukrainians (troops?) ambushing 30-40 unarmed refugees trying to cross the Belarus-Ukraine border. They shot about 15+ (not clear) and then one person at least, went round finishing off those that weren't dead from the first shots. Some managed to run away.

Now, I have no confirmation that this was authentic or not, but it does fit a pattern.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 2 2021 20:00 utc | 144

Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 19:01 utc | 141

Thank you.

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 20:08 utc | 145

Subject ADKC | Dec 2 2021 6:11 utc | 91 response to S Brennan's 56 post:



Lin Jianliang, Ph.D. in Medicine
Editor, Voice of Taiwan

[long copy of linked article deleted - b.]

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146

S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | @146

I always check the sources before I accept anything posted. Here is what I learned about

sdh-fact is the Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact. Even Wikipedia admits they are far right Japanese revisionists and militarists.

Hideaki Kase (加瀬 英明, Kase Hideaki, born December 22, 1936) is a Japanese diplomatic critic known for promoting historical revisionism. His father, Toshikazu Kase, was a diplomat under Shigenori Tōgō who negotiated an end to the Pacific war.

Kase is the Chairman of Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact,[1] a right-wing[2] organization promoting historical revisionism.[3] In an interview with BBC[4] journalist Bethan Jinkinson, Kase said: "The majority of our people believe that Japan was forced into war by the United States. America was making unreasonable demands upon us. So we were fighting a war of national self-defence". Kase wrote episodes of friendship with John Lennon for the Sankei Shinbun newspaper on 8 December 2016. Kase said to John Lennon, "the USA forced Japan to fight the USA and reluctantly Japan fought in self-defense. Japanese were the same as Vietnamese who were attacked by the USA." John Lennon visited many Japanese Shinto Shrines, and one of them was Yasukuni Shrine. Kase and Ono were in the family of Yasuda zaibatsu, and Yoko Ono was seen as a nuisance in this prestigious financial clan, but Hideaki Kase got along with Yoko Ono.[5]
Also a member of Nippon Kaigi, Kase said about that openly revisionist lobby: "We are dedicated to our conservative cause. We are monarchists. We are for revising the constitution. We are for the glory of the nation".[6]

Hideaki Kase

So a site for revisionist, monarchist Japanese looking to justify their barbarism in WW2 as "self-defense" is the source for the strident screed you try to pass off as factual. Of course, it serves the Japanese purpose to deny the Han identity of yet another part of China that Japan raped.

Give us all a break.

Posted by: groucho | Dec 2 2021 20:34 utc | 147

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 1 2021 23:04 utc | 47

Yes indeed, if the recent words of mandatory vaccination from the great German whore Von der Leyen does not ring alarm bells for many, following the proclamations of Austria 🇦🇹 (and now Germany) then I do not know what can possibly wake people up.

Though, as a wiser man than I has said, many of you got your two shots, and are still wearing a mask and nothing has changed.
How stupid do you feel..??
You don’t feel stupid at all.
Because you’re stupid... Really Fucking Stupid.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 2 2021 20:56 utc | 148

@S Brennan #146
You have zero credibility.
The vast majority of people in Taiwan today are due to the KMT fleeing from mainland China after the Communist victory in 1949.
Yes, there are some natives as well as Chinese living there prior to the refugee invasion but that nation is entirely controlled by those KMT refugees.
I have direct, personal experience as my family were one of the lucky / well placed refugees that did so.
Take your ludicrous, hagiographic nonsense elsewhere as it has no place in reality here.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 21:04 utc | 149

My latest article, "Diplomatic Events and Other Musings as We Await the Coming Propaganda Show" expands upon my recent comments and coverage of the many recent diplomatic efforts by Russia. I'm also thinking about generating a new meme since that's what appears to be the en-vogue thing to do nowadays:

Who wants another war for Christmas or at any other time?

Or perhaps:

If you want another war, just vote for either D or R and they're sure to deliver.

Improvements are certainly welcome. IMO a counter-narrative must be mounted and memes seem to be the method.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 21:05 utc | 150


I ask for examples of the lists you reference precisely to understand where you get your views from.

My view is that contrary to the claims made here by others the lists exist and are publicly available and you don't have to be a billionaire to get your hands on them.
Here is how to access the lists for Georgia and Pennsylvania. If you can find a significant number of people on those two lists who will verify that they actually did not really vote then you can make a case that the election was stolen.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 21:05 utc | 151

@Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146

Finding someone from Taiwan who says (s)he is Taiwanese and not Chinese does not mean Taiwanese is not Chinese. You can always find someone for that. In today's Taiwan, you can even find a lot of such people after more than two-decades systemic brainwash by Lee, Chen, and Tsai regimes since late 1990s. Do you know that the current president of Taiwan Tsai's father's tomb stone was carved with the origin of Tsai's family, which is a city in China mainland. This is a typical Chinese tradition to trace back the family's (very) origin. Lin Jianliang can be whatever he wants to be, including being a traitor. Another Chinese tradition is that one can be anything but a traitor. Well, Lin wouldn't care about that since he is a Taiwanese, not a Chinese.

In addition, the source of the article is also a little interesting. It seems a Japanese web site. There are people in Japan that would like Taiwan to be separate from China very much. These people usually also want to restore the past Japanese imperial glory.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Dec 2 2021 21:22 utc | 152

The going gets tough

FM #Lavrov: Situation in global affairs tends to degrade further. Main reason – lack of readiness by #US & allies to recognise #multipolar world order, their persistency in addressing problems trough illegitimate unilateral sanctions, direct interference & colour revolutions.

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 21:24 utc | 153

Thanks to Stonebird, waynorinorway, and DG for their thanks! The recent massive burst of activity plus my needing to be active elsewhere has made reporting more taxing. For example, I omitted some things about China I might get to later today but really needed to focus on the Russian activity. The efforts b puts into exposing the propaganda is of course very important. Here's what I thought was a crafty little gem of a comment to Pepe Escobar's note about Lavrov's Stockholm efforts:

"It's hard to read Lavrov's words and not see desperation, as in Last Chance to Avoid a Major War and all that would entail. Europe seems numb as if it's been bitten by a spider that's zombified its ability to act in its own interest and not become cannon fodder for the Outlaw US Empire and the cabal of Neoliberal Oligarchs that control's it."

I must again make reference to Alastair Crooke's latest that I link again:

"But do the U.S. practitioners of meme-politics, absorb and comprehend that the stance by Russia-China – in riposte – is not some same-ilk counter-mobilisation done to ‘make a point’? That their vision does stand at variance with ‘the rules’? Do they see that their ‘red lines’ may indeed be ‘red lines’ literally? Is the West now so meme-addicted, it cannot any longer recognise real national interests?

"This is key: When the West speaks, it is forever looking over its shoulder, at the domestic, and wider psychic impact when it is ‘making a point’ (such as practicing attacks by nuclear-capable bombers as close to Russia’s borders as they dare). And that when Russia and China say, ‘This is our Red Line’, it is no meme – they really mean it." [My Emphasis]

IMO, Crooke's on a roll between his last 6 essays and appearance on Going Underground.

But IMO, here's the core of the problem as I wrote a few days ago--Biden say one thing while Blinken and Sullivan say another. Today, Lavrov met with Blinken, but prior to that he said this:

"The Russians say that they believe the Minsk agreement should be implemented. The Ukrainians say the same thing. Well, I think if that were to happen, that at least would resolve the problem in the Donbas in eastern Ukraine." [My Emphasis]

The bolded sentence is an out-and-out lie as the Ukraine's Rada has legislation ready that would "erase" its signature, plus all the other anti-Misnk2 activities Lavrov just finished describing to the Russian Senate yesterday I reported on!! If Blinken said the same to Lavrov, I wouldn't blame him from leaving the scene without uttering one word.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 21:50 utc | 154

War? What is war?

Was US involvement in Vietnam 1953 to 1975 ever a "war"?

After you answer those simple questions, consider:

Constitution says Congress has power to declare "war". Only Congress?

Can President make "war" without authorization by Congress.

When was last declaration of "war" by Congress?

When was last time Congress authorized President to make "war"?

Maybe US citizens are interested in the difference, if any, between "war" and the glory enjoyed in making "war".

We do not get to hear any stories told by dead recipients of "war"; just the ones who did not die...or lose too many body parts.

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 2 2021 22:11 utc | 155

Now that we are all in a Nina Hagen mood I remembered her step father Wolf Biermann and a song of his:

“Die kalten Frauen, die mich streicheln
Die falschen Freunde, die mir schmeicheln
Die scharf sind auf die scharfen Sachen
Und selber in die Hosen machen
In dieser durchgerissnen Stadt
Die hab ich satt!
In dieser durchgerissnen stadt
Die hab ich satt!

Btw the farewell to Merkel was a bit scary to watch.

Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 22:25 utc | 156


Let me add my continuing thanks. I read everything you write.

I'm glad that Putin and Lavrov are starting to fight back. I just hope they are not too late. The projection coming from the British in particular sets my teeth on edge. Here is some more grist to their mill, and relates to events leading up to the "resignation" of Harold Wilson in 1976 at the age of sixty.

That too was regime change. The regime that follows is our present hell.

And they're hiding it to the present day.

UK officials still blocking Peter Wright’s ‘embarrassing’ Spycatcher files

A documentary-maker has accused the Cabinet Office of defying the 30-year rule in withholding details of the MI5 exposé

Jon Ungoed-Thomas

Sat 27 Nov 2021 15.18 GMT

The Cabinet Office has been accused of “delay and deception” over its blocking of the release of files dating back more than three decades that reveal the inside story of the intelligence agent Peter Wright and the Spycatcher affair.

Wright revealed an inside account of how MI5 “bugged and burgled” its way across London in his 1987 autobiography Spycatcher. He died aged 78 in 1995.

Details of Wright’s disclosures and the mostly futile attempts by Margaret Thatcher’s government to quash publicity of Wright’s revelations are detailed in 32 files containing government documents from 1986 and 1987.


It is the latest controversy involving the Cabinet Office and freedom of information laws. It has been accused of wasting public funds in a legal battle over the personal diaries of Lord and Lady Mountbatten in which costs are expected to exceed £600,000.

Wright was a senior MI5 officer from 1955 to 1976. After retiring to Australia, he wrote his memoirs, which alleged illegal activities by the security services.

Wright claimed that he was a member of a small group of MI5 officers who plotted to try to force the resignation of the Labour prime minister Harold Wilson because of their suspicions he was a communist spy.


The government launched legal proceedings to stop the book being published in Australia, but lost the action in 1987. During the hearing, Sir Robert Armstrong, Thatcher’s cabinet secretary, admitted he was prepared to be “economical with the truth” to protect national security under cross-examination from barrister Malcolm Turnbull, who later became Australia’s prime minister.

Ministers also gagged newspapers in England from reporting on Wright’s claims against MI5. The government was found in November 1991 to have violated the right of freedom of speech because of gagging orders against the Observer and the Guardian.

Tate says the Cabinet Office acted unlawfully by failing to transfer the files to the National Archives within the required time period. Officials say they were permitted under the rules to delay transfer.

On 12 December 2019, Tate submitted a new request to the Cabinet Office, covering only the first two files in the Spycatcher series. The Cabinet Office said in April 2020 that material was exempt because it was intended for future publication.

Tate complained to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) on 22 June 2020. The Cabinet Office then said it was also withholding the material because it all related to the intelligence services. The ICO has upheld the Cabinet Office’s decision.

“It is like playing a game of Whac-a-Mole,” said Tate last week. “One excuse pops up and you take the time to go through the process and say: ‘No, that’s not lawful’, and then they change tack. It is public money that is paying for this obfuscation and delay, but it never faces any sanctions for failing to meet deadlines imposed by law.”

Maurice Frankel, director of the Campaign for Freedom of Information, said the case raised questions about the Cabinet Office overseeing a large number of freedom of information requests. It is under investigation by the Commons’ public administration and constitutional affairs select committee over its clearing house unit, which supports the handling of freedom of information cases across government.
(lots more)

For the avoidance of doubt: Cabinet Office = Queen Elizabeth

Posted by: John Cleary | Dec 2 2021 22:31 utc | 157

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146:

Taiwanese and Chinese: no shared ethnicity

China's claim of sovereignty over Taiwan Island is not predicated on residents of Taiwan claiming themselves as being Chinese in ethnicity. If they did their claim would have been refuted long ago since Li Tenhui's presidency because he thinks Taiwanese are more Japanese than Chinese. China's claim is based on historical facts, and on China's own view of how this world is constituted.

Taiwan was taken by force by Japan. China of that era was too weak to reclaim it. Then Chiang Kaishek retreated to Taiwan as a consequence of the civil war. With American backing, both aerial and naval, China was still too weak to push the issue and had to abide its time. But all along, China insists on sovereignty claim over the land and vow to take it back one day, without specifying which day.

Things now have changed, drastically so. China has the military as well as economic power to take back Taiwan any time it wants. Only thing stopping it from doing so is its wish for absence of bloodshed and communal confrontation after the reclamation, and that there is really no urgent need to do so. Now, if America or Japan begin to establish military threat against China on Taiwan, the table would have been turned and I guarantee you Taiwan government would cease to exist within a day. Only that China would have to expend effort in rebuild and governance going forward from that point on. But what must be done will be done. There is not a thing that America or Japan can do to stop that. They are not powerful enough to stop China today, unlike say as late as 10 years ago when they still could give China enough pain for China to have to weigh and reconsider.

It's not just America and Japan. You throw in NATO, Australia, India, Asean, all lackeys of America that you can think of into alliance, it doesn't make a flip of difference. China is simply too powerful today to be denied Taiwan if it so wants it.

After taking Taiwan China will liberate Ryukyu too, besides confronting America, western Europe and Japan for what they did to China and Chinese between 1840 and 1949. This will all happen in the next half century.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 2 2021 22:52 utc | 158

Lavrov's post-OSCE meeting presser is over and the Russian transcript is available. Unfortunately, judging from Lavorv's initial statement then his answers to the questions posed, the majority of the meeting was negative, as the Blinken lie citied above alludes to as Blinken carried the same attitude at the conference. After thanking the host nation and the in-person versus virtual mode, Lavrov's words and tone became negative:

"We spoke in detail and frankly about the state of affairs in the OSCE and about the most pressing and sensitive issues on the agenda of this Organization. The situation in the OSCE is not easy, one can even call it difficult. It reflects the negative trends unfolding in the field of European security and cooperation. An understanding is being formed of the need to increase the relevance of the OSCE through joint efforts aimed at restoring its role as the leading unifying Organization in European affairs.

"They expressed concern about the attempts of a number of countries to impose on all others the concepts of 'rules-based order', effective multilateralism, which put a certain group of Western countries above all others, promoting a discriminatory approach to international affairs. We insist on the need to comply with international law, which is a universal rule for all countries of our planet.

"As for military security in the Euro-Atlantic area, it continues to crumble. There is only one Treaty between Russia and the United States on the Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms. The Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles and the Treaty on Open Skies were torn up by our American colleagues. This is of concern to everyone, although few dare to point out the true reasons for this situation. They only express regret that these treaties have ceased to work." [My Emphasis]

The bolded segment reflects what Crooke has cited in his analysis, that reality cannot be acknowledged, that the meme rules all. IMO at the end of this next segment the machine translation isn't quite correct and makes for difficult understanding:

"In the Organization, called the Organization for Security and Cooperation, antagonisms are growing, confrontational rhetoric is expanding, work processes in the OSCEare slowing down, and the very political dialogue for which this Organization was created is becoming more complicated. Thus, it is difficult to reach a compromise in the obvious areas of coincidence of interests of all participating countries.

"Let me give you an example. At this session, together with our colleagues in the CSTO, we submitted a draft Declaration on the need to counteract the use of the Internet for terrorist purposes. It would seem, what is even more relevant? Unfortunately, our Western partners, without giving any arguments on the substance of our proposals, withdrew it from discussion. It was obvious that they were not satisfied, that it was Russia that came up with such an initiative.

"In such circumstances, a frank conversation is especially important. It's good that it came face to face. It wasn't helpful. The assessments of the accumulated problems, which were expressed by us and other participants, were heard. There is an interest in overcoming this crisis and groping for ways to improve the effectiveness of the OSCE." [My Emphasis]

This bolded segment is an even better example of the meme winning out over reality and rationality. IMO, Crooke has exposed something of grave importance we ought to strive to understand and attempt to derail. Here's another example:

"Many of the documents of our Council of Council of Representatives, which were planned to be adopted, were withdrawn from discussion. Some Western colleagues, with some unusual zeal, tried to saturate them to the point and out of place with radical and ultra-human interpretations of gender attitudes. That doesn't do our organization any credit either." [My Emphasis]

Lavrov's closing comments prior to taking questions consisted of a very sad lament:

"I would like to stress once again that we are interested in the OSCE returning to the spirit of Helsinki, to the foundations laid in 1975, which would reflect the balance of interests of all the countries of our most important region without exception. The Organization, by its name, should be concerned with security and cooperation, not with escalating confrontation."

IMO, Lavrov is an optimist at heart, but I see that optimism fading, that he's beginning to feel that war is unavoidable for Russia which can be read at the end of Lavrov's answer to this question:

"Question: Do you see ships in the Black Sea and the pulling of equipment to the borders with Donbass as links in the same chain? What can this lead to? How dangerous is this situation?

"Lavrov: ... Such concrete proposals are a manifestation of our sincere desire to achieve de-escalation. The rejection of them shows that all the talk that Russia is allegedly turning away from cooperation with NATO and does not want to develop confidence-building measures is empty words. We will strive to be heard. The main thing is our security. If NATO continues to avoid talking about this topic or refuse to discuss the ideas put forward by President of Russia Vladimir Putin, we will take measures to ensure that our security, sovereignty and territorial integrity do not depend on anyone." [My Emphasis]

More can be discerned in the follow-up Q&A:

"Q: Can the U.S. and its allies refuse to discuss Russia's demands for security guarantees? What will happen in such a situation? Is there a "plan B"?

"Sergey Lavrov: We are not talking about giving us security guarantees. President of Russia Vladimir Putin emphasized that it is necessary to develop collective guarantees to ensure each other's security and all participants in the pan-European process. I do not want to guess that the West will refuse to consider them. Everyone heard President Vladimir Putin and realised that our proposals were serious. Now we put them 'on paper'. We'll see what the reaction is.

"It is necessary to see how seriously the Western community will take this, whether they are sincerely interested in de-escalation and stopping attempts to unilaterally increase their advantages, including in the form of military infrastructure, armed forces and equipment." [My Emphasis]

To cite Crooke: "Do they see that their ‘red lines’ may indeed be ‘red lines’ literally?" Given what we've seen since 911, and especially since Obama, I unfortunately agree with Martyanov that they are willfully blinded by their arrogance and hubris. That covers most of the presser as the answers to the two remaining questions reiterate what's been said very often since the UNGA Debate. Its the continuation of what we saw during TrumpCo--POTUS says one thing while DeepState operatives do another, usually the opposite.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 23:03 utc | 159

Taiwan is 95.4% Han Chinese according to

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 2 2021 23:27 utc | 160

"... it is hard to replicate mccoy tyner, jimmy garrison, elvin and coltrane, ..."

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2021 17:11 utc | 122

Yes. These guys make the sound etc

Keep up the good work karlof1

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 2 2021 23:29 utc | 161

Re: kartoschka | Dec 2 2021 17:29 utc | 129

I have purchased Ivermectin from this site in India, it is not unreasonably priced and takes about three weeks to arrive.
Medypharma website, India Ivermectin.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 2 2021 23:40 utc | 162

John Cleary @156--

Thanks for that excellent report and your reply!

Here's an astute remark made by Martyanov from earlier today:

"US is acting totally irrationally nowadays and, quoting Bronislaw Malinowsky from 1915: 'War, same as charity, starts at home.' America is not only in a full blown media war against the world, she is in actual warm civil war against herself and this war she cannot win."

But the civil war is one of the state's controllers--the kleptocrats/oligarchs--against the people, not of two or more political factions against each other and is the same as the war against the world.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2021 0:03 utc | 163

@ Grieved,

Thanks for the Fabio Vighi article, 'A Self- fulfilling Prophesy: Systemic Collapse and Pandemic Simulation'

I don't remember who posted the Bull-Hansen video 'Will you Fight" I enjoyed it so much I'm reposting it, thanks:


Bravo, academics fighting back worldwide against lawfare and semantics.

"In a significant challenge to Israel lobby efforts, a major Canadian academic association has rejected a definition of anti-Semitism that conflates criticism of Israel with anti-Jewish bigotry.

The Canadian Association of University Teachers, which represents more than 70,000 academic faculty and staff around the country, voted on a motion to oppose the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s (IHRA) so-called definition of anti-Semitism during its annual conference last week":


"On the first of October, the University of Bristol fired Professor David Miller, a world renowned expert on the Israel lobby, the Zionist movement and Islamophobia. They did not give an explicit reason for the sacking, claiming only that Miller “did not meet the standards of behaviour we expect from our staff.”But it is surely no coincidence that Miller’s sacking came after a year of particularly intense campaigning by the Israel lobby, which had called for him be fired for his anti-Zionist views. Indeed, the Israel lobby has been after Miller for years, incessantly smearing him as “anti-Semitic.”

"Universities are particular sites in which silence over Palestine is enforced. In recent weeks, I have come to a fresh appreciation of the density and violence of this enforced silence. The silence, as I have recently encountered it, is of three kinds: silence imposed, silence chosen and silence conceded. Together, these silences are as eloquent about the current state of the struggle for Palestine on campus as they are about the nature of academic professionalism in 2021."

"A lawsuit is challenging Georgia's anti--BDS law after filmmaker Abby Martin was barred from speaking at Georgia Southern's Savannah campus":

Posted by: Paul | Dec 3 2021 0:27 utc | 164

James @122, @127

Yes that band (or at least the band leader) is from the South Side of Chicago. And sure, Pharoah Sanders – that is why I mentioned “Ascencion”. Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by: phiw13 | Dec 3 2021 0:51 utc | 165

Grieved #75

Thank you for the diamond pulled from the dust.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 1:19 utc | 166

@jinn #150
Thank you for the references.
The Georgia data is more along the lines of what I was expecting - a compilation of voter registration data. This list is a significant violation of privacy as individual's addresses are definitely PII and can be used for all manner of hijinks like identity theft, but address and name alone aren't *that* bad in the grand scheme of things.

The Pennsylvania list, however, says it contains voting history. I am not going to pay $20 to verify what exactly that entails just yet, but this is really intrusive given the low bar to access if the data actually shows who any given person voted for.

And what's ironic is Georgia at least charges $250 for their list vs. the $20 for Pennsylvania.

In any case, it is not clear at all to me that use of this list to query private individuals as to their voting practices is permissible under either federal or the respective state laws. Imagine using this list to know how your employees are voting.

I very strongly believe that voting history should not be available to just anyone, much less anonymous access via email + payment.

Note furthermore that I am not one of those that thinks the 2020 election was illegally stolen - I think it was perfectly legally "steered".

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 1:40 utc | 167

This is important: Studying Studies: Relative Risk vs. Absolute Risk

In December 2016, an exciting headline from the AAAS1 made the news: “Cholesterol-fighting drugs lower risk of Alzheimer’s disease.”

The article reports on an observational study2 of 399,979 statin users published in JAMA Neurology. Investigators examined the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease (AD) among subjects who were “high-exposure” (i.e., high or frequent users)3 versus “low-exposure” statin-users. Reportedly, among women who were high users of statins, the incidence of AD was 15% lower. Among men, the rate was 12% lower.

The lead author of the study, Julie Zissimopoulos, is quoted as saying, “We may not need to wait for a cure to make a difference for patients currently at risk of the disease. Existing drugs, alone or in combination, may affect Alzheimer’s risk.”


Taking the study at face value, and ignoring issues like healthy user bias, side-effects, unintended consequences, to name but a few,4 it is suggesting that when you are about 75 years old, you have a 2% risk of developing AD by the time you reach 80. But if you take a lot5 of statins, your risk for developing AD is 1.5%. Your odds go from 2-in-100 to 1.5-in-100.

This is exactly the bullshit that is being paraded around as science, regarding COVID, as I type this.

Yes, COVID is a serious disease with measurably more death outcomes than influenza.
The question is whether any given practice - whether it is vaccination, lockdowns, masks, whatever - has a measurable impact on the absolute risk.
The graph I posted on imgur in the COVID thread, for example, shows that there does not appear to be any form of reduction in COVID deaths - either quantitatively or qualitatively - since mass vaccination has been touted (and largely achieved).
Note that this is top level data.
A 60% vaccination should absolutely have a visible and measurable impact on both the shape and height of said death curves should vaccination truly make a visible difference.
Yes, there are more infections in 2021 than 2020 but the relative deaths vs infection ratio is pretty much identical.
And note that I'm not saying vaccines do nothing; what I am saying is that the impact of vaccines in "saving lives" vs. COVID is clearly not so dramatic if its impact on the overall numbers is so hard to see.
A 6x decrease in risk of dying combined with a 60% vaccination rate should drop deaths per COVID infection by 50% overall (i.e. 60% that would have "normal" COVID death rates should have 1/6 as many = 10% as many deaths vs "unvaccinated" COVID infected people = a drop of 50% overall).

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 1:53 utc | 168

We some are wondering why Russia geos along with all the theater and pandemic measures.

Well, some answer is provided thorugh the last essay by Alastair Croocke, where he links to a book on "Ur-Lodges" written by a former insider, which definitely unveils the incognite of not only what is happening during these two years, but also explains puzzling events like the awards conceeded to Kissinger by this Russian administration and other incognites of all these past years.

Another answers you can find them in the deepness of unknown Telegram channels which then link to alternarive platforms where videos by citizens organizations which are working around the whole world on defense of human rights and survival of humanity are published.
It happens that amongst them there are also citizens from Russia...We were all wondering how is that the excellent Soviet and its descendant scientific community, except for the Gamaleya Center director,Ginsburg, were silent or have not had voice in the usual Russian media we trusted once for our geopolitical affairs...
Well, it happens that they are only silent there, as it happnes to us in our countries, where we have no choice neither for debate, nor for defending ourselves from the continuous slander and criminal demonization.

Here I will post, and I expect it survives, a round table by Russian scientists from various fields and especialities, who, you will test, are asking themselves the same questions we do to ourselves through these two years, and are not finding any rational explanation for what is happening and we are living through.

I´ll bring your attention especially to the words by Economist Dr.Valentin Katasonov, which, eventhough not precisely talking about economy, explains the psicological tortuous nature of all this and thus the goals pursued.

You will find that these are people looking very humble, civil, educated and peaceful as they were the Soviet people and their descendants we have always heard and meet, no nonsense people full of common sense and also able to think rationally and critically, but also able to unite in solidarity with others from amongst their own nationals but also, as always has been amongst the traits of the Russians, with international people, some real experts in their field of Virology, Epidemiology and Medicine, and other especialities.

I hope it survives censure...and you can enjoy....

Posted by: Black bread | Dec 3 2021 3:00 utc | 169

Until they face the fact that covid is a threat only to the elderly and infirm, no amount of pleading will avail. The whole world is being consumed by psychosis.

Posted by: Norb | Dec 3 2021 3:08 utc | 170

Robert Kennedy's book on Fauci et al
Not too much value in unz comments.

Posted by: Joe | Dec 3 2021 3:23 utc | 171

Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75

I've taken a shot at delineating the thesis of A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: Systemic Collapse and Pandemic Simulation

By Fabio Vighi|Aug. 15th, 2021

I worked at not injecting anything into it while rearranging it to crystallize what I believe is the essence of the article. Enjoy (I hope):


In 2019, the world economy . . . was suffocating under an unsustainable mountain of debt. the demand for credit had to be

In Sept ‘19 repo [overnight loans between, e.g., day-trading speculators] interest rates spiked to 10.5% in a matter of hours.

Only an induced economic coma would provide the Fed with the room to defuse the time-bomb ticking away in the financial sector.


Restructuring the financial architecture through extraordinary monetary policy was contingent on the economy’s engine being turned off.

Several trillions of newly printed cash have been created with a few clicks of a mouse by central banks and injected into financial systems, where they have in great part remained. The aim of the printing-spree was to plug calamitous liquidity gaps.

The bottom line is that all this cash cannot be allowed to flood the real economy, for the latter would overheat and trigger hyperinflation. And this is where the virus continues to come in handy.


Capital heads for financial markets because the labour-based economy is increasingly unprofitable . . for

. . .the three biggest investment funds in the world: BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street Global Advisor. These giants, . . .are major shareholders in around 90% of listed companies. Gravitating around them are transnational institutions. . . the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the World Economic Forum, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bank for International Settlements, whose function is to coordinate consensus within the financial constellation.

Masses of increasingly unproductive consumers are being regimented and cast aside . . . and need to be expelled from production . . .due to unprecedented acceleration in technological automation.

Mr Global no longer knows what to do with unproductive consumers.

Together with the underemployed and the excluded, the impoverished middle-classes are now a problem.

March 2020 lockdowns had to be imposed. . . to cease the demand for credit and stop the contagion.

If the military industry needs wars, the pharmaceutical industry needs diseases.

Why have all Covid treatments been criminally banned or sabotaged?

What is needed are respiratory or vascular diseases in the elderly and immunocompromised population. . . intensive care units in ‘advanced’ countries had already collapsed in the years preceding the arrival of Covid . . . public health systems had already been demolished, and thus prepared for the pandemic scenario.

A state of emergency is declared. . . in turn causing the clogging up of hospitals and care homes (at high risk of sepsis), the application of nefarious protocols, and the suspension of medical care. . . .

The PCR test is the driving force behind the pandemic. The more cycles you make, the more false positives (infections, Covid-deaths) you produce, as even guru Anthony Fauci recklessly admitted when he stated that swabs are worthless above 35 cycles. Now, why is it that during the pandemic, amplifications of 35 cycles or more were routinely carried out in laboratories all over the world?

Thanks to the sensitivity of the swab, the pandemic can be turned on and off like a tap,

Variants. . . iterations of virus. Their purpose is to increase the ‘case count’ and therefore prolong those states of emergency that justify central banks’ production of virtual money aimed at monetizing debt and financing deficits.

The virus is still needed by senile capitalism, whose only chance of survival depends on generating a paradigm shift from liberalism to oligarchic authoritarianism.

The novelty of our era is that the ‘locked-down society’ is the model that best guarantees the reproducibility of the capitalist machine, irrespective of its dystopian destination.

Posted by: pogohere | Dec 3 2021 3:35 utc | 172

re: Black bread | Dec 3 2021 3:00 utc | 168

Is there an english translation?

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 3 2021 3:52 utc | 173

from BBC
Israel's prime minister has urged world powers to immediately end nuclear talks with Iran, after it decided to start using advanced machines to enrich uranium at an underground plant. Naftali Bennett warned the US that Iran was "carrying out 'nuclear blackmail' as a negotiation tactic".. .here

from World Jewish Congress
In Tehran alone there are 13 active synagogues, five Jewish schools, two kindergartens and a 100-bed Jewish hospital. . . There are active communities in several other cities, including Shiraz, Isfahan and Kermanshah, with institutions of their own. .. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 3 2021 4:04 utc | 174

Looks like this Lin Jianliang is a self-hating Chin ... oops, Taiwanese fella who, no matter how hard he tries to Japanise his name or make himself Japanese (to the extent of living in Japan), can't quite give up his surname.

Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised when one day he produces "haematological" or other evidence that the Taiwanese really are related to the Japanese. No doubt S Brennan would be onto that like a flash and never let us forget.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2021 4:32 utc | 175

Thanks to all those who have commented on the Fabio Vighi article, I found the contributions helpful - especially from Roger who seemed to know it all along. And pogohere @171 - thanks for that work, it seems pretty good. Also, I see Black bread is in the thread, and it was you who first linked this essay here - so please take a bow.

And thanks also to the commenter who offered thanks for it back in that original thread - that brought it to my attention. We often skip things except as others cite them, and this is a most valuable act - it's the only way we survive, isn't it, by holding hands and helping each other across the street.


After the financial stage is set, then, we come to the pandemic itself. This is where the ground gets tricky because it edges close to the "denialist" territory, where one can get demonized pretty easily.

But we must go there, and thankfully we now have Robert F. Kennedy, Jr's book about Fauci, which we have all heard about by now.

Here's a very useful summary of a large piece of the book:

Fauci and the Great AIDS Swindle - Laurent Guyénot • November 27, 2021

Guyénot calls his own essay a partial review of the Kennedy book. He chose to focus on the AIDS crisis because it's less familiar to many of us.

What he reveals in his essay is utterly damning of Fauci, and Bill Gates, and all the regulatory bodies. As Guyénot unveils the story of AIDS in the US, using Kennedy's facts and citations, we see crystal-clear parallels with what we've been watching for the last two years.

The stunning revelation is that the playbook for today's pandemic response has long existed. It was used for AIDS, and it forms part of a criminal enterprise of self-enrichment that hesitates not one whit to murder children, torture animals, imperil mass populations, and deceive all the channels of communication.

The current pandemic is not a new play. Every element, down to the rotten PCR tests (also used back then to find AIDS where none existed), has been in existence for a long time.

So. The rabbit hole.

That's as far as I'm going tonight, and it's further than I intended, but the quality of comments so far in this thread compels it.


I recommend Guyénot's article. It's almost 6,000 words, but it's a pretty gripping read. From this, you'll have a partial take on Kennedy's historic expose of the organized medical criminality that afflicts us all - and most importantly you'll have the template, the dynamic of how this "disease discovery - emergency response" play works. The ones of the past are identical to the one in play now, and the machine is well oiled, and even features the same operators.

I think if one reads the Guyénot piece, and refers back to the timeline and reasoning of the Vighi piece, one will have a very accurate idea of where we are, and how deeply we truly are caught up in deception, and the theft of our wealth and our health.


I also think that one will not sleep easily after reading these two pieces. But it seems that we must know our enemy if we are to stand a chance of fighting him and prevailing over him.

And it seems we must fight. Someone asked in a recent Dark Horse, where is there to flee to, in the world. Bret said that, for the first time ever in history, there seems nowhere to go. Essentially, we have to stay, and fight.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 176

@ Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 175 who wrote
And it seems we must fight. Someone asked in a recent Dark Horse, where is there to flee to, in the world. Bret said that, for the first time ever in history, there seems nowhere to go. Essentially, we have to stay, and fight.

Thanks for your ongoing expansion of this conversation. I am about half way through reading The Dawn of Everything - A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow. I write this because there is insight and such in this book that may help with our discussions.....I would try and share more but my Covid affected brain says don't even try yet.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2021 5:01 utc | 177

@ Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 175 who wrote
And it seems we must fight. Someone asked in a recent Dark Horse, where is there to flee to, in the world. Bret said that, for the first time ever in history, there seems nowhere to go. Essentially, we have to stay, and fight.

Thanks for your ongoing expansion of this conversation. I am about half way through reading The Dawn of Everything - A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow. I write this because there is insight and such in this book that may help with our discussions.....I would try and share more but my Covid affected brain says don't even try yet.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2021 5:01 utc | 178

@146 S. Brennan

The claim in this article is that Taiwanese differ from mainland Chinese genetically. But so what?! The Chinese are not a genetic group, but are altogether a very genetically-mixed population, just like other peoples. The search for genetic purity smacks of eugenics and racialist ideas, which unfortunately are still too prevalent in the world. The Han Chinese are a linguistic and cultural grouping, not a genetic grouping. They are the product of millenia of the Chinese advance to the south, mixing with and assimilating the aboriginal peoples they encountered, a process that continues to this day in the far south of China. Taiwan is just a piece of that, and not even the most recent piece. Of course, the southern Chinese differ significantly from the northern Chinese genetically, even being darker colored, just like the southern populations in many countries, even Egypt, for example. The southeastern Chinese even speak different Sino-Tibetan languages than Mandarin. But none of that makes them any less Chinese, and being Chinese is certainly their identity. In the case of most of the Taiwanese, they are of the very same Hokkien or Southern Min language group that is prevalent in southern Fujian. So if you want to study their genetics, compare the Taiwanese to the inhabitants of southern Fujian, who are undoubtedly Chinese. Even then, you might find some difference genetically, owing to the Taiwanese Chinese mixing with the Austronesian aborigines of Taiwan, but that does not matter; you would find similarly some mixing of the Yunan Chinese with the Yi people of that area, just like there is some mixing of the American population with the aboriginal American Indians. So what! They still identify wholly as Chinese. Now, for political reasons encouraged by US imperialism, some might now want to have a separate state, but that does not render them culturally separate at all. This is just more US divide-and-rule effort.

One more thing, the article tries to portray the Qing Dynasty as if it was the representative of Chineseness as opposed to Taiwaneseness. That is rather ridiculous, considering the Qing themselves, right down to their end, were non-Chinese, if Sinified, Manchus. Who people are ruled by does not determine their cultural affiliation. Of course the Taiwanese are Chinese. I have had a number of them as my students, and I never met one who would deny that they are Chinese.

Posted by: Cabe | Dec 3 2021 5:14 utc | 179

@129 kartoschka

I meant to answer you and suggest reading the FLCCC recommended protocols - there are more easily available alternatives for those who cannot obtain ivermectin:

You can choose the German version from that page. Note the two protocols: the prophylactic suggested protocol to ward off the disease, and the treatment protocol (to be taken immediately whenever one suspects one has symptoms).

If I were unable to get ivermectin I would supplement with Vitamin D and Zinc, also Quercetin and Vitamin C, and the Melatonin they suggest. And I would start adding the Nigella Sativa to my food (black cumin seed) - it tastes okay. All of these things should be easily available to you.

Also I would look into gargling and the nasal lavage (if your parents would do such a thing). And perhaps increase Nitric Oxide in the body too.

The Dandelion plant is helpful, and in the US I can find a green tea that contains both the leaves and the root. Tastes good, and is the perfect excuse for honey.

I do believe ivermectin is the simplest answer but an effective immune system that can fight off a virus is really the best answer of all - and in the absence of that medicine, the combination of answers here would cause no harm and should be very helpful.


Also, read everything uncle tungsten writes here about traditional remedies :)

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 3 2021 5:47 utc | 180

Posted by: Cabe | Dec 3 2021 5:14 utc | 178

You don't need to legitimize S Brennan's BS by actually arguing against it, because as other posters have already shown it's just straight up not true. Modern Taiwanese are as ethnically separated from modern mainland Chinese as English colonists in America around the time of their war for independence, that is to say not at all. No amount of limited intermixing with the local natives (while also extirpating them from their lands and decimating their demographics, another trait these two populations share) will allow Taiwanese to shift the goalposts and start appropriating aboriginal presence as part of a claim to independence. Indeed, also like the early American colonists, the only thing that will legitimize a separate Taiwan is victory in a war. A war Taiwanese will only fight to the last drop of American blood.

Posted by: J D | Dec 3 2021 5:54 utc | 181

@ tucenz | Dec 2 2021 23:29 utc | 160... thanks! that's a cool bit of genre blending! i enjoyed it... new zealand... fascinating...

@ phiw13 | Dec 3 2021 0:51 utc | 164... thanks! i gather the music scene in chicago is very rich... old hippie sometimes comments on it and we have talked about it a few different times, but i don't know these players! there was a group out of the uk with very similar influences i recall hearing a few years ago... cheers..

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2021 6:22 utc | 182

@ Grieved #75 & c1ue

Thank you for that excellent article. c1ue's question about the trigger for the 'repocalypse' is also important. It's the shutting down of the real economy that is staggering. The logistics and coordination at work from July 2019 to Feb 2020 must have been immense, but, as Vighi says, once the fuse was lit all the events became self-maintaining.

In the absence of vk I will step in to ask of barflies the Leninist question that must be put in response to the situation Vighi describes: what is to be done?

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2021 7:02 utc | 183

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 2 2021 23:40 utc | 161

thanks for the link, i will try it. the prices are realy low, i guess most of it is shipping.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 3 2021 5:47 utc | 179

thank you
we are allready doing most of your advices as livestyle (vit d, c, zink, garlic anyway :), i will add the dandalion tee (actualy pretty common in GER) and the "Kümmel".
my parents are in good condition, non smoker, healthy food and a vital life.
but i would love to have a fallback alternative.
My mother allready told me that she don't want ventilation whats so ever.... they are more scared about the pressure that is building up onto the "ungespritzten".
i will explore this nitric oxide thing, sounds interesting

Posted by: kartoschka | Dec 3 2021 9:29 utc | 184

The fascists have imposed full lockdown upon us once again. The War is on.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 9:29 utc | 185

Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen today.

War room: Comply now and be a slave forever

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 10:03 utc | 186

spudski #71

Thank you for the Roy Buchanan link. I just kept digging up more and more old utoobs.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 10:47 utc | 187

There is something very sinister going on on so many fronds.

Norway reintroduced lockdowns and new measures allegedly to curb the spread of the Omicron variant.

In Austria officials of ruling conservative party, reeling from their leader Sebastian Kurz's surprise resignation, met on Friday to pick a successor who will also lead the nation as Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg is also quitting. (!)

The situation in Ukraine deteriorates by the minute.

Are you worried?

Posted by: DG | Dec 3 2021 11:05 utc | 188

@DG | Dec 3 2021 11:05 utc | 187

Are you worried?

My worries have been confirmed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 11:18 utc | 189

@ Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 11:18 utc | 188

I’ve been watching the Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen videos. A voice of reason. I always wanted to visit Norway. I was looking for some flights etc but now it seems like this dream will not be fulfilled any time soon.

The world is becoming a sort of prison and from what I gather it’s gonna be worse, much worse before it gets better if it ever will get better.

It looks like fascism is raising its ugly head again and this time it’s uglier than before.

Sometimes I have the feeling that a war is on and this time the battlefield is our bodies.

In Greece the “experts” suggested today that booster shots will be mandatory every 4 months. This is crazy. Right on the minute that the “vaccines are effective” narrative was crumbling there is a new variant to blame for the impressive amount of new cases and hospitalisation among the vaccinated.

You can’t make this s**t up.

Posted by: DG | Dec 3 2021 11:33 utc | 190

karlof1 #158

To cite Crooke: "Do they see that their ‘red lines’ may indeed be ‘red lines’ literally?" Given what we've seen since 911, and especially since Obama, I unfortunately agree with Martyanov that they are willfully blinded by their arrogance and hubris. That covers most of the presser as the answers to the two remaining questions reiterate what's been said very often since the UNGA Debate. Its the continuation of what we saw during TrumpCo--POTUS says one thing while DeepState operatives do another, usually the opposite.

We live in precipitous times. The outlaw US empire is fighting for it's life and relevance. Ditto NATO as that is the mechanism that subverts the EU to USA will and maintains craven submission. It is abundantly clear that the East will no longer be cowed by the ziofascist likes of Blinken. Ask a Palestinian what comes of 'turn the other cheek' with these imperialist monsters.

So we will see a series of push back moves now from Russia. There will be an armada of weapons of immense destruction and tactical superiority moved into place. Russia will not blink as they see clearly that the belligerence and undermining is persistent and each day more aggravated by the US/NATO warmongers.

Blinken is keen to prove his testosterone and his imbecile president and USA establishment elite are right behind him - "we are all zionists now" as Biden said.

This is a tough time for Russia and China as they have to strenuously push the bully out of the room. There is virtually no other option given the aggressive mendacity from the west, its inability to find a leader with diplomacy and peace as a primary agenda, its reliance on imagined military superiority and such a fragile and distorted economy.

I doubt there will be war and it seems clear that Ukraine is no longer considered a sufficient proxy. There will be a serious stand IMO and perhaps a second punch in the nose like the submarine was given.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 11:42 utc | 191

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146

The article with translation pasted by Brennan is ludicrous. There is a phrase "hematological difference" but it is followed by demographic argument, namely, that increase in population cannot be explained by immigration from China -- but "hematological difference" would require statistics of subtypes of blood groups, which ARE NOT MENTIONED.

Slightly complicated factor is the nature of Han nationality. Before Han dynasty, the southern half of eastern China was somewhat sparsely populated by several distinct nations and numerous tribal groups (many exist till today). Civilization in terms of efficiency of agriculture was highest along the coast, and there the original languages were preserved most, and under influence of Han Chinese they transformed into several dialects, starting from Shanghai area (Wu, after an ancient kingdom of Wu) all the way to Vietnam border. For some reason this process did not absorb Vietnam.

The absorption of the southern China by Han made immense changes in Han culture, and what is demographically important, most efficient forms of rice cultivation were adopted from the south. Guandong, Fujian, Zhejiang etc. became Han Chinese speaking their dialects.

Taiwan was colonized by settlers from Fujian, and spoke at least three Fujianese dialects, that was well documented. Introduction of the more efficient rice cultivation exploded the demographic capacity of the island 10-20 times. 100 years ago the population was linguistically and culturally fully Fujianese, and quite probably, "hematologically" different from northern Mandarin speaking Chinese. Cultural component of aborigines speaking languages related to Indonesia and Philippines was very small, and I suspect, by ancestry, less small but still minority. Nevertheless, culturally, the people were Fujianese Chinese. Then Kuomingang entered the island with refugees from the lost civil war in the continent. Hence 15%-83%-2% split between Mandarin speakers, Fujianese speakers and "aborigines".

The question if Taiwan has the right to be a separate nation involves two "principles". One is territorial integrity of a nation. According to that principle, Crimea should remain Ukrainian, Palestine should remain unitized, with no preference for immigrants, and Taiwan should be Chinese. The other principle is self-determination. Crimea should be Russian, Taiwan independent, and Palestine ...

USA-dominated West is vehement in insetting that one of the two principles is absolutely paramount, bestowing on itself the right which one to choose in different situations, or evade the question.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 11:48 utc | 192

Correction: USA-dominated West is vehement in insisting that one of the two principles is absolutely paramount, bestowing on itself the right to choose which principle applies in different situations, or evade the question.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 11:54 utc | 193

@Piotr Berman #191
"Han Chinese" is an idiotic term. Both linguistically and in appearance, there are dramatic differences between the people in different regions of China.
Northern Chinese are much taller and lighter skinned vs. the Cantonese speaking ones, for example. Provinces like Fujian - their "home" dialects are literally incomprehensible to those who speak Mandarin, while a Mandarin-only speaker (like myself) finds verbal Cantonese to be mostly incomprehensible due to a slightly larger tonal range combined with different pronunciations for the majority of phonemes. Nor is this just a pronunciation difference - there are significantly different vocabularies. It is like Portuguese and Spanish - while there are major similarities - particularly in writing, there are major differences as well such as an almost completely different naming system for days of the week (only Sunday is the same word).

The only reason I can think of for why the term "Han Chinese" was invented is because white people can't tell Asians apart. /sarc

Even a cursory study of history shows that the uniformity of the population of China, linguistically or by any other measure, is entirely a myth.

The Communists were the ones who forced universal teaching/use of verbal Mandarin; prior to that, it was largely restricted to the highly educated bureaucrat families, to traders and other cross-province types. Ironically, the version of Mandarin prevalent in mainland China today is Beijing flavored. That's one of the ways you can tell a mainlander from a Taiwanese or a Bamboo network/1949 diaspora Chinese; the mainlanders all have or try to imitate the Beijing slur whereas the pre-Communist Mandarin is akin to California English (the non-surfer/Valley girl kind).

The written Chinese language has also diverged. The pre-Revolution dynasties did require standardization of the written language - there are still gaps due to both changes/evolution over time as well as the aforementioned vocabulary differences between regional dialects, but the written Chinese language was largely uniform.

This is no longer true.

The Communists, and I don't know if this is deliberate or not, make free use of shorthand whereas the Taiwanese/ Hong Kong/Bamboo network/1949 diaspora do not.

Shorthand for written Chinese is based on unique sub-phonemes. You have likely heard of (mostly) trite English sayings about one Chinese phonemes comprising 2 or more sub-phonemes. In reality, there are tens of thousands of individual top-level phonemes comprising the Chinese language - 40K to 80K for everyday and 120K or more for the most educated. Each of the "top level" phonemes is comprised of 2 or more sub-phonemes. But the actual "uniqueness" of each top level phoneme is generally a subset of the actual phonemes present.
So what mainland Chinese do is just write out the unique ones and do a squiggle or some other abbreviation for the rest.
For example: the name Liu (Cantonese Lau, etc) - the actual phoneme is Full phoneme for Lau/Liu
However, the mainland approximation is simplified version of Lau/Liu
An educated Japanese, for example (the Japanese language uses around 5K Chinese phonemes), would read the full phoneme as "sword smith". The Chinese phonemes used in the Japanese language also don't abbreviate.
I won't even go into the many ethnic minorities in China which are completely "non-Han" such as the Miao and the various Manchurian/Mongolian etc minorities.
Net net - the lumping together of all Chinese, worldwide much less in just the PRC - is no more accurate than the lumping of all Americans into 1 pot or Russians in the Russian Federation into one pot.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:15 utc | 194

More signs of the crash to come:

Tweetstorm from LeftistMoniker

Black Friday sales were so abysmal, multiple retailers are looking at potential bankruptcy. It also blows the Democrat myth out of the water that consumer demand is driving inflation because consumer demand was flat according to sales on Black Friday

Store traffic is up from last year but not even close to 2019. And online retail sales did not increase from the prior year. So people are just broke
Omg, sales are such garbage we have actually shrunk the trade deficit by almost 20 billion dollars YTD.

2nd data point: Consumer sentiment falls, 2007 vs. 2021

Consumer Sentiment - 2007 vs. 2021 via Naked Capitalism

Black Friday Sales down 28% vs. pre-pandemic via CNBC

If this is true, then Kelton = idiot. Inflation is not because consumers are buying like there's no tomorrow - inflation is because of government policy (not just money printing).

On a separate note - I'm now seeing the exuberant nonsense/pump and dump on NFTs and crypto coming back. I just got invited to a full day, Breakfast through dinner plus party, free conference for "NFT, Crypto and Blockchain apps".

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:22 utc | 195

Net net - the lumping together of all Chinese, worldwide much less in just the PRC - is no more accurate than the lumping of all Americans into 1 pot or Russians in the Russian Federation into one pot.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:15 utc | 193

It is easy to see that however "inaccurate", Americans, Russians and Chinese are predominantly happy with being lumped that way. Every human is different, even so-called identical twins are not identical, but humans form groups on various basis, and Americans, Russians and Chinese are such groups.

My point were

1. The "genetic/historical" divergence of Taiwan and continental (mostly, see Hainan) China is bogus, in their bulk, Taiwanese are a subset of quite varied Han Chinese.

2. The "independence" question hinges of so-called principles of international law, and possibilities for sensible compromises. The principles can lead to diametrically different conclusions, and the West picks conclusions on the basis of tactics and strategies stemming from elite perceptions of the "national interest". Notably, the West is very happy picking diametrically different conclusions and simply silences all contrary voices, "why we do this but not that".

To elaborate on Taiwan, there existed a workable compromise between "One China" with recognized borders, and with a seat in UNSC, and de-facto independence of Taiwan. Now "the West" (a lump much less meaningful than "Han Chinese", but politically organized) decided to open a can of worms, so people like Queenslanders could be proud that they are defending freedoms of their free Taiwanese brethren. Here "free" basically means that Taiwanese belong to the same lump as Queenslanders.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 13:40 utc | 196

@Piotr Berman #195

You said

It is easy to see that however "inaccurate", Americans, Russians and Chinese are predominantly happy with being lumped that way. Every human is different, even so-called identical twins are not identical, but humans form groups on various basis, and Americans, Russians and Chinese are such groups.

I think you mistake inertia and apathy for happiness. Particularly in the United States.

Even in Russia - which has a strong nationalist sentiment - there are many who identify as something else: Chechen, Tajik, whatever.

China - I've been there a lot and talked to a lot of people. There are some "nationalists" as in proud to be Chinese; the vast majority of people I talked to just exist.

As for your other points:

I don't dispute at all that Taiwan is, in no way, unique or special. As I said, my family was among the flood of mainlanders who moved to Taiwan in 1949 (we have since moved on).
Brennan is clearly a propagandist, and an idiot if he/she believes 5% of the nonsense being spouted.

As for independence - your compromise presupposes reason. I completely disagree that reason has any place in the present situation - it is entirely a geopolitical equation coupled by the usual feckless Taiwan leadership.

The reality is that Taiwan as a society benefits enormously from mainland China but its government apparatchiks and bureaucrats benefit enormously from American patronage. And so we have the idiotic situation today.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:49 utc | 197

c1ue @166 wrote:

In any case, it is not clear at all to me that use of this list to query private individuals as to their voting practices is permissible under either federal or the respective state laws.

I'm guessing that you are not a US citizen or that you have never voted in the US or if neither of one of those are true you have managed to be unaware and totally oblivious of how the US voting system works.

The reason that the states or local govts maintain voter lists that they make available to the public is precisely so that it is possible for private individuals to contact voters about their voting practices. In fact most states require that the lists of names can only be used for such political purposes. In other words, you can download the voter lists to survey voters about their voting practices or to call or send them political advertisements urging them to support this or that political cause or candidate, but it is unlawful (in those states) to use the list to sell something or for any other commercial purpose.
If you are a regular voter you likely receive phone calls or mailings in regard to your voting practices during election seasons.

If one believes the story that this voter fraud (consisting of fake votes using some other voters identity) is real, it would not be hard to randomly select say 1000 voters and send a mailing to their address querying them if they actually did vote and if they did not contact law enforcement. If you get no hits in 1000 it seems unlikely that the practice (if it exists at all) had an effect on the election.

Posted by: jinn | Dec 3 2021 13:53 utc | 198

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 11:42 utc | 190
"Blinken is keen to prove his testosterone and his imbecile president and USA establishment elite are right behind him - "we are all zionists now" as Biden said."
Well stated, totally agree.The U.S. has crossed a line and I believe it is now ungovernable. Red team/blue team identity is becoming increasingly hard wired and is fed raw meat by the media that feeds the frenzy and makes fortunes. Russia and China hoped for a slow, safer shift away from the Empire but they have given up on that since Biden (remember Anchorage?) came in. Iran presents positions that are completely sane and based on reality and they don't back down, backed up by decisive action. Ditto more and more resistance countries.
The U.S. is ungovernable. Nor can they fight. We are about to see the Empire get another bloody nose.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 3 2021 14:29 utc | 199

@ Jen 174
Here's a "haematological" study which shows Taiwan as Han Chinese. (I didn't post the map image link separately b/c the URL is super long.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 3 2021 14:33 utc | 200

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