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December 1, 2021
Open Thread 2021-93
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James with multiple musical posts Posted by: phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 101 I thought trump would win 2020, as I predicted that biden’s campaign would be swiftboated by the case of Biden family corruption in Ukraine and by Biden’s creepy groping videos. I was naive to not anticipate that the MSM would conspire to shut down those stories. Posted by: mastameta | Dec 2 2021 10:33 utc | 103 @waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 7:57 utc | 99
My grand uncle (brother of my grandfather) was a professor at the University of Oslo during the WWII German Nazi occupation and was imprisoned. These memories are very real. The former minister Vidkun Quisling committed a coup on the day of the Nazi attack (9. April 1940) under the umbrella of the German Nazis. His name will for eternity be synonymous with ‘traitor’. We are once again subject to similar ideologies. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 11:20 utc | 104 RE: Posted by: Hoyeru | Dec 1 2021 23:16 utc | 48 Posted by: MagdaTam | Dec 2 2021 12:43 utc | 105 Grieved @ 75. Interesting point Posted by: financial matters | Dec 2 2021 13:36 utc | 106 @2 Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Dec 2 2021 13:51 utc | 107 You and he can stick your head in the sand or wake up, choice is your’s. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 14:12 utc | 108 stonebird claims: Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 14:16 utc | 109 @Grieved #75 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:19 utc | 110 Yet another spike into the coffin of the idea that vaccines have any real effect on a vaccinated person catching COVID:
Oh, but Delta! Omicron! say the faithful. Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:31 utc | 111 The Inflammatory threat from Iranian Gen quoted in jpost https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/iranian-brig-gen-urges-destruction-of-israel-prior-to-nuke-talks-687248 Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Dec 2 2021 14:37 utc | 112 Germany to announce nationwide Covid lockdown for the unvaccinated. Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 15:20 utc | 113 @DG | Dec 2 2021 15:20 utc | 114
Yes. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:23 utc | 114 @jinn #110 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 15:27 utc | 115 @Norwegian Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 15:33 utc | 116 @DG | Dec 2 2021 15:33 utc | 117 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:53 utc | 117 @c1ue | Dec 2 2021 14:19 utc | 111 Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 2 2021 16:12 utc | 118 jinn | Dec 2 2021 14:16 utc | 110 Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 2 2021 16:26 utc | 119 Lavrov is in Stockholm today at the 28th meeting of the OSCE Ministerial Council to deliver what is close to an ultimatum aimed at avoiding war at the last presumably neutral venue for the discussion of European affairs. The linked transcript is in Russian. After very critically reviewing the current situation leaving no doubt as to its very serious nature, Lavrov delivers the meat: phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 102 thanks! listening now… i might have heard this fellow before.. are they american or british? sounds american, but i remember hearing some group from the uk doing something similar a few years ago… yes – a bit like late coltrane.. they seem to be going for that vibe and coming from that background… it is hard to replicate mccoy tyner, jimmy garrison, elvin and coltrane, but they are doing a great job of it! it is like an intersection between free jazz and inside jazz and coltrane was definitely on the cutting edge with regard to this. in fact, elvin left the band due this, and the addition of a 2nd drummer of course.. he did play with ravi after ravi’s dad was gone though… thanks for sharing! great stuff! Posted by: james | Dec 2 2021 17:11 utc | 121 Stonebird Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 17:14 utc | 122 C1ue wrote: Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 17:19 utc | 123 @karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:05 utc | 121 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 17:21 utc | 124 As promised, here’s Lavrov’s answer about Minsk-2’s viability via machine translation: @ phiw13 | Dec 2 2021 9:51 utc | 102 … further into the listening, it reminds me a lot of pharoah sanders… not sure if you are familiar with his music.. here is a beautiful song you might enjoy – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyirrcT5a6Q Posted by: james | Dec 2 2021 17:25 utc | 126 @Idiocrates #119 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 17:26 utc | 127 Since this is the OT. Posted by: kartoschka | Dec 2 2021 17:29 utc | 128 @jinn #124 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 17:30 utc | 129 “Russian Foreign Ministry Statement on the planned US summit for democracy” in English. Here’s the document’s Preamble couched in diplomatic niceties: Norwegian @125– @ 126 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 2 2021 17:39 utc | 132 @Posted by: MagdaTam | Dec 2 2021 12:43 utc | 106 Posted by: Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 133 Don Bacon @133– Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 15:53 utc | 118 Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:20 utc | 135 @karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:37 utc | 132 Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:30 utc | 136 @Posted by: Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75 @ Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 134 Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 18:44 utc | 138 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2021 11:20 utc | 105 Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 18:44 utc | 139 @ Black bread | Dec 2 2021 17:41 utc | 134 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2021 19:01 utc | 140 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:37 utc | 132 Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 2 2021 19:11 utc | 141 @ Posted by: Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75 Posted by: D.G. | Dec 2 2021 19:47 utc | 142 karlof1 | Dec 2 2021 17:05 utc | 121 Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 2 2021 20:00 utc | 143 Subject ADKC | Dec 2 2021 6:11 utc | 91 response to S Brennan’s 56 post: Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 145 S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | @146
So a site for revisionist, monarchist Japanese looking to justify their barbarism in WW2 as “self-defense” is the source for the strident screed you try to pass off as factual. Of course, it serves the Japanese purpose to deny the Han identity of yet another part of China that Japan raped. Posted by: groucho | Dec 2 2021 20:34 utc | 146 Posted by: cirsium | Dec 1 2021 23:04 utc | 47 Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 2 2021 20:56 utc | 147 @S Brennan #146 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 2 2021 21:04 utc | 148 My latest article, “Diplomatic Events and Other Musings as We Await the Coming Propaganda Show” expands upon my recent comments and coverage of the many recent diplomatic efforts by Russia. I’m also thinking about generating a new meme since that’s what appears to be the en-vogue thing to do nowadays: C1ue Posted by: jinn | Dec 2 2021 21:05 utc | 150 @Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146 Posted by: LuRenJia | Dec 2 2021 21:22 utc | 151 The going gets tough Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 21:24 utc | 152 Thanks to Stonebird, waynorinorway, and DG for their thanks! The recent massive burst of activity plus my needing to be active elsewhere has made reporting more taxing. For example, I omitted some things about China I might get to later today but really needed to focus on the Russian activity. The efforts b puts into exposing the propaganda is of course very important. Here’s what I thought was a crafty little gem of a comment to Pepe Escobar’s note about Lavrov’s Stockholm efforts: War? What is war? Posted by: chu teh | Dec 2 2021 22:11 utc | 154 Now that we are all in a Nina Hagen mood I remembered her step father Wolf Biermann and a song of his: Posted by: DG | Dec 2 2021 22:25 utc | 155 karlof1,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/27/inside-story-of-peter-wrights-spycatcher-blocked-by-cabinet-office-delay-and-deception Posted by: John Cleary | Dec 2 2021 22:31 utc | 156 Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 2 2021 22:52 utc | 157 Lavrov’s post-OSCE meeting presser is over and the Russian transcript is available. Unfortunately, judging from Lavorv’s initial statement then his answers to the questions posed, the majority of the meeting was negative, as the Blinken lie citied above alludes to as Blinken carried the same attitude at the conference. After thanking the host nation and the in-person versus virtual mode, Lavrov’s words and tone became negative: Taiwan is 95.4% Han Chinese according to taiwan.gov.tw. Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 2 2021 23:27 utc | 159 “… it is hard to replicate mccoy tyner, jimmy garrison, elvin and coltrane, …” Posted by: tucenz | Dec 2 2021 23:29 utc | 160 Re: kartoschka | Dec 2 2021 17:29 utc | 129 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 2 2021 23:40 utc | 161 John Cleary @156– @ Grieved, Posted by: Paul | Dec 3 2021 0:27 utc | 163 James @122, @127 Posted by: phiw13 | Dec 3 2021 0:51 utc | 164 Grieved #75 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 1:19 utc | 165 @jinn #150 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 1:40 utc | 166 This is important: Studying Studies: Relative Risk vs. Absolute Risk
This is exactly the bullshit that is being paraded around as science, regarding COVID, as I type this. Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 1:53 utc | 167 We some are wondering why Russia geos along with all the theater and pandemic measures. Posted by: Black bread | Dec 3 2021 3:00 utc | 168 Until they face the fact that covid is a threat only to the elderly and infirm, no amount of pleading will avail. The whole world is being consumed by psychosis. Posted by: Norb | Dec 3 2021 3:08 utc | 169 Robert Kennedy’s book on Fauci et al Posted by: Joe | Dec 3 2021 3:23 utc | 170 Grieved | Dec 2 2021 2:58 utc | 75
Posted by: pogohere | Dec 3 2021 3:35 utc | 171 re: Black bread | Dec 3 2021 3:00 utc | 168 Posted by: tucenz | Dec 3 2021 3:52 utc | 172 from BBC Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 3 2021 4:04 utc | 173 Looks like this Lin Jianliang is a self-hating Chin … oops, Taiwanese fella who, no matter how hard he tries to Japanise his name or make himself Japanese (to the extent of living in Japan), can’t quite give up his surname. Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2021 4:32 utc | 174 Thanks to all those who have commented on the Fabio Vighi article, I found the contributions helpful – especially from Roger who seemed to know it all along. And pogohere @171 – thanks for that work, it seems pretty good. Also, I see Black bread is in the thread, and it was you who first linked this essay here – so please take a bow. Posted by: Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 175 @ Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 175 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2021 5:01 utc | 176 @ Grieved | Dec 3 2021 4:44 utc | 175 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2021 5:01 utc | 177 @146 S. Brennan Posted by: Cabe | Dec 3 2021 5:14 utc | 178 @129 kartoschka Posted by: Grieved | Dec 3 2021 5:47 utc | 179 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 3 2021 5:14 utc | 178 Posted by: J D | Dec 3 2021 5:54 utc | 180 @ tucenz | Dec 2 2021 23:29 utc | 160… thanks! that’s a cool bit of genre blending! i enjoyed it… new zealand… fascinating… Posted by: james | Dec 3 2021 6:22 utc | 181 @ Grieved #75 & c1ue Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2021 7:02 utc | 182 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 2 2021 23:40 utc | 161 Posted by: kartoschka | Dec 3 2021 9:29 utc | 183 The fascists have imposed full lockdown upon us once again. The War is on. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 9:29 utc | 184 Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen today. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 10:03 utc | 185 spudski #71 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 10:47 utc | 186 There is something very sinister going on on so many fronds. Posted by: DG | Dec 3 2021 11:05 utc | 187 @DG | Dec 3 2021 11:05 utc | 187
My worries have been confirmed. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 11:18 utc | 188 @ Norwegian | Dec 3 2021 11:18 utc | 188 Posted by: DG | Dec 3 2021 11:33 utc | 189 karlof1 #158
We live in precipitous times. The outlaw US empire is fighting for it’s life and relevance. Ditto NATO as that is the mechanism that subverts the EU to USA will and maintains craven submission. It is abundantly clear that the East will no longer be cowed by the ziofascist likes of Blinken. Ask a Palestinian what comes of ‘turn the other cheek’ with these imperialist monsters. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 11:42 utc | 190 Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2021 20:11 utc | 146 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 11:48 utc | 191 Correction: USA-dominated West is vehement in insisting that one of the two principles is absolutely paramount, bestowing on itself the right to choose which principle applies in different situations, or evade the question. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 11:54 utc | 192 @Piotr Berman #191 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:15 utc | 193 More signs of the crash to come:
2nd data point: Consumer sentiment falls, 2007 vs. 2021 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:22 utc | 194 Net net – the lumping together of all Chinese, worldwide much less in just the PRC – is no more accurate than the lumping of all Americans into 1 pot or Russians in the Russian Federation into one pot. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 13:40 utc | 195 @Piotr Berman #195
I think you mistake inertia and apathy for happiness. Particularly in the United States. Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2021 13:49 utc | 196 c1ue @166 wrote: Posted by: jinn | Dec 3 2021 13:53 utc | 197 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 3 2021 11:42 utc | 190 Posted by: migueljose | Dec 3 2021 14:29 utc | 198 @ Jen 174 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 3 2021 14:33 utc | 199 If one believes the story that this voter fraud (consisting of fake votes using some other voters identity) is real, it would not be hard to randomly select say 1000 voters and send a mailing to their address querying them if they actually did vote and if they did not contact law enforcement. If you get no hits in 1000 it seems unlikely that the practice (if it exists at all) had an effect on the election. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2021 14:39 utc | 200 |
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