Obviously central controlled ‘western’ propaganda at work. But at what cost? Certainly media legitimacy goes out the window.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 27 2021 14:09 utc | 4

Thanks for the update, and hope You’re not having any after-effects from Your hospital stay.
Here in Norway, I’ve seen several of the articles (“news items” or “op-eds”) cited above, but just a few days after thei publicatin in the North Atlntis Angloshere. But with so Apohllonically (or Dyonysically drunkardly) appalling language errors and misunderstandings that one can clearly see they have been translated from English. Keep up thegood work!

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐 | Dec 27 2021 14:34 utc | 6

Piotr
You have addressed the real issues.
And the mind warping stupidity of the green ideology.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 27 2021 14:40 utc | 7
“Most glaring is the lack of “at what cost” questions concerning the West. EU delays approval of North Stream II, but at what cost? Technocrats decreased investments in fossil fuels in EU and reliance on so-called clean fuels, but at what cost? Both are phenomenal.”

Posted by: JPC | Dec 27 2021 14:53 utc | 8

What this points out more than anything is that the media is issued a set of talking points that they faithfully echo.
One of the ‘benefits’ of media consolidation (thank you Bill Clinton and the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is that it’s much easier to ‘manage’ a few big media corporations than it is hundreds of small independent ones.

Posted by: Black Cloud | Dec 27 2021 15:33 utc | 10

They don’t need the directive. The level of groupthink is high enough that everyone has aligned against China very quickly and chooses the negative angle for writing about China to reinforce its reputation. ‘At what cost’ is similar to ‘the dark side of’ or ‘the dirty secret behind’. Another angle would be to interpret a small damaging story as ‘the first sign of bad things to come’.
People always overestimate central coordination as source of order . All that propaganda needed to do is give China sufficiently bad reputation with influential sources, then the rest takes care of itself. And for external enemies that really does not take much work.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Dec 27 2021 15:43 utc | 12

This is extremely dangerous to out democracy!

Posted by: farm ecologist | Dec 27 2021 16:02 utc | 14

Gee, you’d almost think that our Glorious Free Media (TM) was following a script just like Pravda or something.
But NO!!!! these headlines writers all came, completely independently, to the phrase “but at what cost?”.
But at what cost did they?

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Dec 27 2021 16:09 utc | 16

“At what cost?
Hilariously, and tragically, this is the question that neoliberal economics has been ignoring for the last 50 years. As everyone most likely already knows that the Chicago School of Economics intentionally ignored that question in its underlying assumptions. Primarily, this includes environmental cost, social costs, and costs that are being born by our children.
It’s really funny that the propagandists in employ of our oligarchs never posed that question to fundamental economics that has our “civilization” headed to extinction, but they still think that hiding out in New Zealand, underground, or Mars is a viable long term option. At what cost?

Posted by: Michael.j | Dec 27 2021 16:36 utc | 18

So is that endogenous or exongenous cost?
The West hides all the cost of their perfidy to stay in control of society.
Quite the list of examples b….you would think it was a meme….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 27 2021 16:58 utc | 20

The West is nowadays quite psychotic and delusional. It sets out to demonise rather like the Nazis and the “Bolshevik-Jewish threat” or the Kaiser and his “Yellow Peril”. It is like some Big Brother directed propaganda and almost an inversion of what China under Mao or Stalinist USSR used to propagate against the West.
As for economic efficiency – I really would like to know the economic pluses from the Iraq War, the intervention in Syria, the destruction of Libya, involvement in Ukraine, war in Kosovo……..or even the plethora of bases the US maintains across the planet.
I should like to know the welfare benefits of the F-35 development of the Yak-141 – and quiet why aircraft carriers like Gerald D Ford are being built – and Doris Miller – at costs of $15 bn upwards in a country where people live in tents.
Quite why UK scrapped frigates to pay for two aircraft carriers with no aircraft eludes me.
So if China and Russia are so incredibly insane, can anyone clarify why the GDR ceased to be run by Communists in 1990 and de-industrialised under West German supervision – yet the CCP in China created a major industrial power over the same period on which Germany is wholly dependent.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 27 2021 18:04 utc | 22

Piotr Berman; I think you will find France has a cost/value conundrum too.
SNCF has TGV networks with stations built for pork barrel and log-rolling rather than necessity. I mean €47 bn Debt is a lot for a rail system to carry especially when the Spinetta Report states France is “unique in Europe” in allocating around 15% of its annual rail funding to routes that carry just 2% of passengers.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 27 2021 18:09 utc | 24

@ Paul Greenwood |22
Orwell expressed it in the MiniTru aphorism “War is Peace”. Basically, technology is has attained the point that scarcity and want could be eradicated but doing so would pose too many changes/problems for the powers that be. Accordingly, the excess wealth has to be squandered/destroyed or it could destabilize their control. Policies like wasting money on useless weapons systems, high rates of incarceration, unemployment, delaying youth entry into the labor force, and general bad management are all deployed to preserve the scarcity paradigm and prevent humanity from transitioning to a wealth paradigm.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 27 2021 18:16 utc | 26

They are weaponizing too…
“China Closes Ranks in Battle For Rare-Earth Control”
“Analysts believe that China’s near-monopoly of rare earth metals gives it a trump card in its rivalry with the US for global dominance, and it has shown a willingness to weaponize the trade.”
https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/china-closes-ranks-in-battle-for-rare-earth-control/

Posted by: jayc | Dec 27 2021 18:29 utc | 28

Piotr Berman @7
Yes, that is the real question, at what cost???!!! all of the stupidities of the US/western system. At the head of the list: the cursed militarism. The cursed military budget literally steals food out of the mouths of babies, as well as destroys the environment. Were the military budget curtailed by even 50% (though it ought to be curtailed by at least 90%), so many economic problems would go away. That is the first root of all evil, even if not the only one. And the stupids imagine that their military interventions express power, when actually the opposite is the case: they express weakness, futility, uselessness, and waste. The entire US hegemony depends just on the dollar supremacy alone; while the dollar stands, the US hegemony remains, when the dollar goes, bye-bye to the US military as well. The distributional conflict that will ensue from a collapse of the dollar would probably dump us into a civil war, which may happen even without that collapse anyway. And if that happens, the carefully-cultivated cult of American militarism will also be responsible. At what cost? indeed.
As for the whole space business, two can play at any game of accidental destruction of space stations. Even without such evil plots, it is possible that space junk accumulation could eventually render all space travel impossible.
As for Michael.j saying @18 that the elite “still think that hiding out in New Zealand, underground, or Mars is a viable long term option,” yes, some of them do think that, but none of it will ever work. Even from my childhood in the fairly isolated enviroment of Seattle, I thought that New Zealand looked like a good option, and indeed it seems to have many virtues. But it is still on the same globe as everything else, and no one can tell what disasters may strike where in the long term; there is just no way to ascertain that. Right now, the southern hemisphere may look better than the northern from the aspects of pollution or the possible fallout of nuclear war, but that is not certain, as shown by the appearance of a larger hole in the ozone there. There just isn’t any guaranteed place of safety. As for underground, that depends on complicated systems functioning long-term with very limited maintenance resources. In such a refuge, if anything goes wrong, everybody dies. And that is especially obvious in places like the moon or Mars where an artificial, enclosed atmosphere would have to be maintained. Back in the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 when all our neighbors were building bomb shelters, I said to my father, “Dad, aren’t we going to build a bomb shelter too?” He scoffed at that, saying, “Who would want to survive a nuclear war?” Indeed.

Posted by: Cabe | Dec 27 2021 18:39 utc | 30

Further undermining that meme is this article, “China honors pledges to scrap ownership limits on foreign automakers in new negative list,” that details China’s further opening of its economy to foreign business interests, which is in line with what China promised to do and thus adds to its substantial credibility–a credibility the meme is aimed at curtailing.
So, what we see immediately is that China acts with actions while all the Outlaw US Empire has are words, and false ones at that which further erodes its quickly crumbling credibility.
And in the realm of tech metaverse competition, I urge those interested to read this article, “China’s Baidu launches metaverse app, as more firms join race in ‘the next big thing’,” which IMO will be a huge hit when the Olympics open in Beijing.
China’s preparing to begin another Long March and there’s nothing the Outlaw US Empire can do to halt it. Six years ago, I urged the Empire to join China’s BRI instead of combatting it, but it’s so addicted to its Zero-sum mentality that wasn’t to be so it’s now in even worse shape than it was in as 2015 turned into 2016. Clearly, Neoliberal Parasites can only do one thing–destroy the living economy by debilitating its most important asset: Its Human Capital.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 27 2021 18:46 utc | 32

jayc @28–
Global Times article reveals rare earths are a national security asset, and the article should be read in tandem with the other I provided @32.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 27 2021 18:51 utc | 34

“Hong Kong is clinging to ‘zero covid’ and extreme quarantine. Talent is leaving in droves” – Washington Post
I used one of my free peeks to see, per the Langley Post, who is it that’s ‘leaving’ because of China’s policies of saving lives? just what ‘talent’ are they losing?
A link to shitrag S China Morn Post, from the WaPo article. What’s Cantonese for used colostomy bags?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 27 2021 19:10 utc | 36

Orwell expressed it in the MiniTru aphorism “War is Peace”. Basically, technology is has attained the point that scarcity and want could be eradicated but doing so would pose too many changes/problems for the powers that be. Accordingly, the excess wealth has to be squandered/destroyed or it could destabilize their control. Policies like wasting money on useless weapons systems, high rates of incarceration, unemployment, delaying youth entry into the labor force, and general bad management are all deployed to preserve the scarcity paradigm and prevent humanity from transitioning to a wealth paradigm.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 27 2021 18:16 utc | 26
Exactly, it is not merely greed that makes them want to keep the rest of us poor. They want us poor so they can still be The Owners, the Chosen Ones. Walter Karp called it “The Principle of Waste” or something like that, and it explains much about the Pentagon’s failures. Highly expensive things that don’t work become a good thing in this view.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 27 2021 19:24 utc | 38

@Paul Greenwood 24
If memory serves, when France privatized the TGV system, it retained the debt and pension benefits, giving the buyers a hefty subsidy.

Posted by: bob sykes | Dec 27 2021 20:16 utc | 40

To: Oriental Voice | Dec 27 2021 19:20 utc | 37
On behalf of my fellow Caucasians, I apologize deeply for the ridiculous attitudes that some among us take toward folks whose ethnic origins might differ a bit from ours.
As for Christianity, I’m certain that you would be very interested in a very well-researched, well-presented and highly informative Youtube video titled “Caesar’s Messiah,” about the true origins of that religion.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Dec 27 2021 20:45 utc | 42

thanks b… i would question the cost of this long experiment with money… seems to work for a very small % while not working for many.. i would throw the whole concept of private ownership of land into the mix… we’d be much further ahead without these chains we’ve been shackled with..

Posted by: james | Dec 27 2021 22:37 utc | 44

@1
“I don’t remember it getting a mention at MoA or anywhere else.”
Check again.

Posted by: FNORD | Dec 27 2021 23:13 utc | 46

SNCF has TGV networks with stations built for pork barrel and log-rolling rather than necessity. I mean €47 bn Debt is a lot for a rail system to carry especially when the Spinetta Report states France is “unique in Europe” in allocating around 15% of its annual rail funding to routes that carry just 2% of passengers.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 27 2021 18:09 utc | 24
2% of passengers with 15% of rail funding is not necessarily bad, a better comparison would be percentage of passenger-kilometers. Most of the traffic is on suburban or short distance trains. That said, the Chinese investments are in trillions, the system proportionally larger, and some parts are sparsely used.
One externality is that Chinese government wishes the industrialization and wages to be increasingly uniform across the country, including Tibet and Xinjiang. Connecting all provinces with good transportation allows to locate new industries easily in all provinces. I assume that freight and slow+cheap train lines were not neglected, at least, not abandoned. One has to remember that the differences between provinces were drastic even 20 years ago, and apparently, this is not the case anymore. At least, the differences are much, much milder.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 28 2021 0:59 utc | 48

Lol, thanks b. Excellent piece.

Posted by: aquadraht | Dec 28 2021 1:32 utc | 50

Netflix produced a great satire, ‘Don’t Look Up’ https://www.netflix.com/title/81252357 about our govt, MSM, and social media class.
(Btw I never understood people who reject a movie because they are offended by one thing). Anyway, scientists discover that a very large comet is going to score a bull’s eye on our beloved planet in 6mo’s and the movie depicts our complete dysfunction.
It has the …
1. Populist, sloganeering President dividing everything into us vs them.
2. Pop culture icons (the liberals), narcissistically hijacking causes to promote themselves on social media.
U.S. public enabling both.
3. The U.S. Oligarch, lording his wisdom above us. This is the Jeff Bezos-Musk-Jobs character and the best reason to watch the show.
Just when the scientists finally convince the President to a mission deflect the comet, ‘Bezos-Jobs’ informs her that it contains $40T of ‘rare earth metals that only China has’ and another $100T of other precious metals. She scraps the mission so that Bezos can launch drones to shatter the comet to harvest it (spoiler, the private sector cannot do everything).
The govt starts a media campaign to promote the jobs that the comet is going to create.
—————————
I believe the show is ahead of its time in capturing the creepiness of our billionaire class, and our worshipful deference to them. We will eventually be able to see this more clearly.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Dec 28 2021 3:16 utc | 52

@53 grishka
That was certainly a depressing experience with a moron. But to my experience, only a tiny fraction of “huaren” expat Chinese are that way. There is a great and famous blog by US chinese https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/ which I can warmly recommend. And even in Singapore you find sympathy or at least balanced views.
Of course, there are always “running dogs”.

Posted by: aquadraht | Dec 28 2021 4:09 utc | 54

@Oriental Voice #47
Anti-Chinese racism in the US, where it has been further exacerbated today by the MSM’s constant litany of lies against China, unfortunately has a very long pedigree. The ultimate sources of its inspiration are the “Yellow Peril” fear of being overwhelmed by the number of Chinese and the concomitant civilizational envy and rivalry owing to Chinese immensely long and completely independent civilizational pedigree. China has been the world’s most populous state since its foundation as a united polity over 2,200 years ago. Actually, today, because of the low birthrate there, the percent of Chinese in the world is dropping and is probably the least it has ever been, something like 18%. Fear of Chinese immigration started right away with the 1849 gold rush in California and led to the Chinese Exclusion Act banning immigration from China completely from 1882 to 1943. So this is certainly not a new problem, nor was it initially born out of Chinese independence being restored by the communists in 1949.
It is true that there are lots of other US racisms as well, including specifically against people of African descent, Arabs, East Indians, Latin Americans, and indigenous American Indians, nor does that exhaust the list. Each one of these racisms has its own peculiar characteristics, but all are exclusionary, and all have certainly been used to divide and conquer on the one side but also to unite the white population against perceived enemies and threats on the other, while at the same time diverting attention from the actual character and doings of the ruling class.

Posted by: Cabe | Dec 28 2021 6:14 utc | 56

@Piotr Berman | Dec 28 2021 0:59 utc | 48 @psychohistorian | Dec 28 2021 1:16 utc | 49
I have traveled a little around China, and can confirm your hypothesis regarding the use of infrastructure investment to enhance equity amongst the regions. Wherever I have traveled, the air, road and rail infrastructure has been impressive. Even in “mountain” areas (Jiangxi, Fujian & Sichuan provinces) the roads have been sealed, and highways and rail have not been far away. I lost count of the number of tunnels we traveled through on the high speed train to Shangrao at 300kph.
I am aware there is an intent to move industry away from the coastal provinces to better spread economic development.
You may be aware the Qinghai-Tibet railway was built for such a purpose – to connect Tibet to the rest of China and provide enhanced two-way travel.
Part of the BRI programme is the development of high speed rail connecting China to central Asia via Xinjiang, with the intent of providing economic stimulus to that western province.
So yes, in addition to China having a long planning time horizon, they also seem to consider 2nd & 3rd order effects of their investment decisions.

Posted by: Cantab | Dec 28 2021 8:37 utc | 58

One should spend a minute pitying our mass media. Their job is not simple. They have to produce puff pieces, vilification, nitpicking with “narratives” that are airbrushed from distracting “details”, and it is hard to keep a modicum of consistency. Puffing KSA is on the task list. Today in NYT:
As Other Arab States Falter, Saudi Arabia Seeks to Become a Cultural Hub
While conflicts and crises have battered the region’s cultural capitals, Saudi Arabia is hosting film festivals and bankrolling new movies.
I had no stomach to read it, I glimpsed a photo of a cheering movie audience, notable for elegantly dressed women — no niqab or abaya in sight. So KSA ruins Beirut and entire Lebanon, hitherto a place to publish any kind of matter in Arabic, with no ideological censorship, and creates some 100% artificial “cultural events” with imported artists and imported audience. Peace be upon the Mad Prince! At least some pennies from your gasoline bills go to.a worthy causes like keeping NYT alive.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 28 2021 9:58 utc | 60

1. In addition to cheap hate mongering for the masses, this cost obsession is the same Republican/capitalist bullshit used to argue for eliminating state service. That is, the failure or inability to to justify state services in a dollar and cents way because no other means to judge are even possible. The state of the nation and world shows how smart and accurate that is — ditto for the harm done.
2. Given all the economic ties with the PRC, they’re much less an enemy and far more a competitor. And we can’t compete full stop. So now w have the sads. Sucks to be us.

Posted by: Hart Liss | Dec 28 2021 11:11 utc | 62

“When China Does Great Question Its Cost”
Resort to a “standard of measurement” is not a surprise but facilitates many opportunities.

Posted by: NotEuclid | Dec 28 2021 11:57 utc | 64

It does seem the Bankers and Owners are struggling to maintain their ancient Fairytales of Money use all their ‘tools’ – the military, the politicians and the Media all owned!
Usually such resistance by ‘nations’ is met with a giant stick, bombs and boots on the ground and annihilation of these who dared stand up against the slavers.
The secret of the Ancients and their control of Money is out of the bag! Like knowledge of Fire or Nuclear weapons once it is in the open it can never be hidden again.
The panic being expressed by the meme is that all national spending by governments usually ended up in the pockets of the Money Ancients through that system they developed to do just that. Through wars and associated military spending (no questions of ‘at what cost’ allowed), through to saving tge banks (‘too big to fail’ lie) through to QE (‘let’s stop pretending and just fill our boots before the Chinese arrive’).
The peoples of the world can see the centuries of cost they have been ensnared in for the fake delivery of ‘western’ values and consumption – which was just a lure on a hook. There was never any intention to improve the actual socioeconomics of the rest of the world, who would kow tow and surrender their resources, labour, wealth and sons and daughters to the appetites of the Forever Masters if the people realised there is NO COST to their sovereign nations to create their own currency and use it to use the resources to create all the infrastructures and welfare and security for their own peoples and neighbours.
The cat is definitely out of tge bag as people educate themselves about how Money has always worked.
The Money has even instructed the Military to go and ‘educate’ the media, not just mainstream but specialist , to press a propaganda message – ‘Russia is not to be trusted, Putin is ripping off his own people and threatening the whole world And now the Chinese have no understanding of cost!’
I met an Admiral a few years ago touting a message around London specialist publishers – it was shameless bull shit made by dashing military dudes as if that would control the editorial lines of publishers!
(Hilariously as an aside, the Polish Presidents veto agains his own government’s plans to remove foreign ownership of its news network by Disney is a clusterfuck to behold!)

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 28 2021 13:17 utc | 66

(Hilariously as an aside, the Polish Presidents veto agains his own government’s plans to remove foreign ownership of its news network by Disney is a clusterfuck to behold!)
Posted by: D.G. | Dec 28 2021 13:17 utc | 66
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Rupert Murdoch became an American citizen to circumvent foreign ownership of media laws in the USA.

With these close ties to Reagan’s White House and Thatcher’s 10 Downing Street, Murdoch’s media empire continued to grow. To meet a regulatory requirement that U.S. TV stations must be owned by Americans, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen of the United States in 1985. Murdoch also benefited from the Reagan administration’s relaxation of media ownership rules which enabled him to buy more TV stations, which he then molded into the Fox Broadcasting Company, which was founded on Oct. 9, 1986.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/10/05/rupert-murdoch-propaganda-recruit/

Posted by: too scents | Dec 28 2021 14:38 utc | 68

@69 Republicofscotland
The article title doesn’t seem to match the text … at least according to this report the legislation authorizes the 2022 exercises, not permanent bases.

Posted by: ptb | Dec 28 2021 15:31 utc | 70

ptb (70).
Yes ptb, you are correct, apologies for the error.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 28 2021 16:14 utc | 72

The airwaves are full of Russia telling foreign agent Memorial set up in 1989, as a supposed anti – Stalin organisation!
Wtf they doing there still, who funds them and what have they been upto that after over 30 years they finally get caught?
I suspect Russia will be following China’s response to the Color organisations, mocking bird media and groomed ‘students’. Time to move out all the NED type funded organisations from their midst.
If it’s going to go hot time to move on the saboteurs in your midst.

Posted by: D.G. | Dec 28 2021 16:43 utc | 74

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the RADA, have voted to allow foreign military bases into Ukraine, next year will see, the Ukrainian-American Rapid Trident exercises, the Ukrainian-British Cossack Mace, the multinational Light Avalanche, the Ukrainian-Polish Silver Saber, the Ukrainian-American Sea Breeze, the Ukrainian-Romanian Riverine, the multinational Maple Arch exercise and the Viking multinational exercise, all held in Ukraine.
I am certain the Russians know of this…
I am also certain none of this will be permitted…. How they stop it… I don’t know…
But they will….
INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Dec 28 2021 16:56 utc | 76

Western media manipulates public perception of world events to the benefit of aligned nations and to disfavor of nonaligned, but…

Posted by: jared | Dec 28 2021 17:52 utc | 78

The pattern and its spread are interesting and telling.
Do you suppose some ever vigilent agency is diseminating templates for article writting or are they supplying copy via independent writers on the payroll.

Posted by: jared | Dec 28 2021 18:21 utc | 80

I want to expand on the title of this posting from b
When China Does Great Question Its Cost
How about if it read
When China Does Great Question Its Cost To Whom
The Whom in China share in both the benefits and the cost, unlike the West
The West has a privatize the profits and socialize the losses structure in contrast

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2021 19:05 utc | 82

I have long ago been exposed to some discussion of retoric techniques and common use of invalid logic. Needing a review. But rather then sifting through excrement, I have learned to simply tune out. Problem is tendency to allow time for things which reinfornce our preconceptions.

Posted by: jared | Dec 28 2021 19:11 utc | 84

DG @ 74:
Would that Memorial organisation happen to be the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation that was set up by Yaroslav Stetsko and other former members of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists who collaborated with Nazi Germany and butchered thousands of Polish and Soviet citizens in the 1940s? It was founded with CIA or NED money and there may be Taiwanese involvement. The zealous Christian fundamentalist crusader Adrian Zenz (who campaigns against China over supposed repression of Uyghurs) is either a member of Memorial or associated with it.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 28 2021 19:23 utc | 86

@ 85 d dan… very sad but true, and a perfect example you’ve given as well.. thanks.. there is no reflection or contemplation in these extremists actions..

Posted by: james | Dec 28 2021 21:10 utc | 88

(Hilariously as an aside, the Polish Presidents veto agains his own government’s plans to remove foreign ownership of its news network by Disney is a clusterfuck to behold!)
Posted by: D.G. | Dec 28 2021 13:17 utc | 66
I do not know what was funny (I mean, there are many comedic aspects, so I do not know what D.G. had in mind).
As a not-so-funny background, the current government made a point of ingratiating itself with USA. Combat helicopter contract with France was broken, and after a pause, replaced with a contract with USA. After that pause, contracts were penciled for (a) some overpriced airplanes, F- something, (b) some overpriced tanks, Shmuels or Abrams, I am not an expert, (c) nuclear power stations — not clear if Americans are even capable of making them, but some plans will be inked. It seems that only Russians can build the required plants before 2030, EU has some requirements about CO2, and Poland is quite behind.
Another background, American owner of the most popular news network in Poland is Discovery. Poland has its share of interesting fossils and other curiosity, some in the Parliament etc., so easy to find and film. One can see real synergy.
Joke number one. The motivation of the novelization of the law on ownership of media prohibits majority ownership from the outside of European Economic Zone to prevent ownership by hostile powers. Hostile powers… Perhaps correct, but see the first paragraph of the background. Also, if ordering arms and nuclear reactors from one hostile power is OK, why not compare the prices with other hostile powers?
Joke number two. The vote on the novelization was quite delayed, and in the meantime the council supervising media and in charge of extending broadcast licenses dwelled of a very long time on extending the license for TVN. In the last moment, it voted 4-1 for the extension, with against vote cast by a professor of construction engineering who had the following qualification:
former head of the association of trade publications of construction journals
member of two (!) knightly lay orders. Catholic fanatics dislike post-diluvian news etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 28 2021 23:29 utc | 90

former members of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists who collaborated with Nazi Germany and butchered thousands of Polish and Soviet citizens in the 1940s? …
Posted by: Jen | Dec 28 2021 19:23 utc | 86
Timeline and facts are confused here. First, the butchery started in March 1943, when Germans had to focus on East Front, the tail-end on Stalingrad campaign, preparation for an offensive that would turn the tide (it did not, check Panzerkampf), so “In March 1943, approximately 5,000 Ukrainian policemen defected with their weapons and joined the UPA. Well-trained and well-armed, the group contributed to the UPA achieving dominance over other Ukrainian groups active in Volhynia.”
The fact that UPA rebelled against the Germans is very celebrated by UPA epigone, as one can see in their YouTube posts. Why they rebelled is not featured in those videos.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 28 2021 23:54 utc | 92

Love your geopolitical analysis … but, when it comes to science Angie R will lead you a stray … emotions and politics guide her discourse.

Posted by: John | Dec 29 2021 1:18 utc | 94

While the West spent 5,000,000,000,000,00 on middle east wars China invested the same amount in economic infrastructure, but at what cost.

Posted by: Atm | Dec 29 2021 19:22 utc | 96