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November 02, 2021

When Russian Troops Training In Russia Are 'Raising Concerns' Its Propaganda

Yesterday the Washington Post as well as Politico were again engaging in warmongering disinformation.

Both claimed that Russian troops are amassing at the Ukrainian border.

The Post wrote:

A renewed buildup of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border has raised concern among some officials in the United States and Europe who are tracking what they consider irregular movements of equipment and personnel on Russia’s western flank.

Politico headlined:

Satellite images show new Russian military buildup near Ukraine


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But while the headline of the piece say "near Ukraine" the text actually places the pictured troops "near the Russian town of Yelnya close to the border of Belarus."


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"Which is it?" one might ask. It could of course be both as Belarus and Ukraine are neighboring countries. But a look at a map shows that the real answer is "neither".


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Yelnya is about halfway between Moscow and Minsk. The distance from Yelnya to the border of Belarus is some 60 miles or 100 kilometer. The distance to the Ukrainian border is about 150 miles or 250 kilometers. Yelnya is a regular Russian army training ground and the troops said to be there there are all units from Russia's western military district. To see those troops there, even in larger formations, is normal.

That is why even the Ukrainian defense ministry says that it has seen nothing it is concerned about:

Ukraine's defence ministry on Monday denied a media report of a Russian military buildup near its border, saying it had not observed an increase in forces or weaponry.

The Washington Post said at the weekend a renewed buildup of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border had raised concern among some officials in the United States and Europe who are tracking what they consider irregular movements of equipment and personnel on Russia's western flank.

The Ukrainian defense ministry rejects the Washington Post claim of "irregular movements of equipment and personnel" in Russia and  even called it "disinformation" (machine translation):

According to the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, as of November 1, 2021, no additional transfer of Russian units, weapons and military equipment to the state border with Ukraine has been recorded.

It is most probable that the facts published in the media and on the Internet about the increase of groups of the Russian Armed Forces in the Ukrainian direction are an element of special informational and psychological actions, and are essentially planned measures to relocate troops after training.

There are of course new tension between the Ukraine and Russia. The Ukraine has bought Turkish Bayraktar drones and allegedly recently used one in an attack on an artillery piece in the renegade Donbas region:

The strike prompted a wave of alarm in Moscow. “I would like to mention once again that the conflict in southeastern Ukraine has no military solution, as was acknowledged by all those countries that so much fret over civilians and, generally, the situation in Ukraine. The attempts to settle it by force will have very deplorable and somewhat incalculable but generally tragic consequences,” said Russia’s Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

There have also been artillery strikes on civil areas in Donbas and a Ukrainian takeover of a small hamlet in the demilitarized zone.

These are provocations designed to divert the Ukrainian public from the rather catastrophic economic situation Kiev is in.

The Saker asserted recently that a war over the Donbas region may be inevitable as it is in the interest of the 'west' as well as in the interest of current Ukrainian government.

I do not agree with that analysis. The Ukraine, even with silent help from NATO, would of course lose a war over Donbas. All the 'western' claims of supporting the Ukraine and all the U.S. maneuvers near Russia would then be exposed as empty talk and bluffs. Other U.S. clients, think Taiwan, would add that to the U.S. retreat from Afghanistan and the defeat of the U.S. sponsored opposition in Hong Kong and recognize that they can not trust any assurance coming out of Washington DC.

To be again exposed as toothless loudmouths would be another disaster for U.S. foreign policy. Joe Biden is too experienced to let that happen on his watch.

Then again - we have seen lots of nonsense coming from the White House, State Department and Pentagon.

Today the Ukrainian defense minister Andriy Taran suddenly resigned. No reasons were given. Did he receive orders he did not like?

Posted by b on November 2, 2021 at 18:21 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Smoke...gotta keep the fear factor up,
particularly among the US voters.

Posted by: librul | Nov 2 2021 18:27 utc | 1

b,
I did as you suspect some warmongering, too, but politico mentions also kursk and bryansk...
and check sat pics (north yelna) from google, bing, yandex or others (all from different years) - there were no troops in last years, not even big changes or trainings.
I dont blame russia for this move, big Z from ukra is still trying to get the lost parts back - so big P is positioning troops around ukra, imo: it's a clear sign to Z, dont make any stupids moves and that need to be made public, otherwise Z could be encourge to move east and south.

Posted by: prneost | Nov 2 2021 18:48 utc | 2

The US public never distinguished itself by its geography knowledge, in spite of the Pentagon efforts to teach geography by destroying places. Unbeknown names like Fallujah, Mogadishu, Al-Bukamal, Kabul and a longer list that could belong to the One Thousand and One Nights are common currency now, sort of like Bakersfield CA or Gonzales LA. So who cares if Yelnya is next to Belarus or Ukraine, in spite of smartphones and digital maps, the main thing is the daily ration of Russia hate and fear.

Posted by: Paco | Nov 2 2021 18:50 utc | 3

so those troops are 150-250km away from ukra-borders -
I think its also an escalation plan behind this tactic - they can be in 3-5 hours at the borders and the 1st guards tank division in 7-10 h in kiev ;)

Posted by: prneost | Nov 2 2021 18:52 utc | 4

If the situation in Ukraine is as dire as it is made out to be and only set to get worse it makes sense to start a war in order to avoid a Maidan 2.0

The tricky part for Ukraine is how to start a war big enough so that it will divert peoples attention from the problems at home and focus it on outside “aggression“ but small enough to not get annihilated by the Russians.

Big enough that the US and it’s allies can scream “Russian aggression “ but small enough that they don’t actually have to commit any troops.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 2 2021 19:22 utc | 5

How dare the Russians sully Yelnya with their military !

Too bad Pence or Pompeo aren't around to give one of their buffoonish speeches about 'Russian aggression'
Interesting history about Yelnya ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelnya_offensive


"The Yelnya offensive (August 30 – September 8, 1941) was a military operation by the Soviet Army during the Battle of Smolensk... The offensive was an attack against the semi-circular Yelnya salient which the German 4th Army had extended 50 kilometres (31 mi) south-east of Smolensk, forming a staging area for an offensive towards Vyazma and eventually Moscow. Under heavy pressure on its flanks, the German army (Heer) evacuated the salient by 8 September 1941, leaving behind a devastated and depopulated region. As the first reverse that the Heer suffered during Barbarossa and the first recapture of the Soviet territory by the Red Army

But yes, Yelnya is closest to Smolensk which is still part of the Russian Federation but I don't know, perhaps the Neocons see it as part of greater Poland or greater Sweden or something.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2021 19:28 utc | 6

Meanwhile Burns meets Patrushev in Moscow:

Top Russian security official meets with CIA director in Moscow

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2021 19:30 utc | 7

Yes, this is media consumption garbage as usual, as well as the relentless, ubiquitous propaganda that bristles with fear and fund-raising for the fear-mongers.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 2 2021 19:33 utc | 8

I see Putin had a second day of discussions with Defence Ministry leadership and heads of defence industry enterprises, with today's focus on unmanned aircraft. I recall reading the air defenses surrounding Moscow were going to be upgraded and perhaps the detected activity is related to that project. Today USN announced its sub hit an uncharted seamount, which IMO is BS as the sub's forward looking sonar would have detected it; so, that explanation is unlikely to satisfy the Chinese.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2021 19:35 utc | 9

A typical planted story. The reporters for WaPo and Politico did not do anything but pick up a phone or respond to an email. The sources are unnamed “officials” buttressed by imagery contextualized by these same officials. The reporters simply repeat what they have been told, although the Politico authors (or an editor) made sure to breathlessly state: “Russia is once again massing troops and military equipment on the border with Ukraine…”. Professional objective reporters should have, like MOA, situated the proffered narrative into a wider context, particularly that of ongoing and acknowledged informational campaigns.

For instance, allowing anonymity to the source “officials” is a disservice to those readers still expecting objective reporting. The satellite photos come from Maxar Technologies, a prototypical MIC entity. The CEO has a US Navy background while the Chairman of the Board is a retired Air Force general. Most of the corporate board have association with the US national security complex and their personal compensation relies on continuing “threat” monitoring. Point being, it is not an independent confirmation but part of the informational campaign.

The US military budget continues to rise each and every year because it’s simply too easy to bamboozle the public. Higher budgets mean more money with which to bribe the Congress via campaign funds. It’s a grift circle which has achieved perpetual motion.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 2 2021 20:03 utc | 10

NATO needs an enemy, otherwise who is going to give them more money? The Russians now refuse to talk to them (and they don't talk to the EU much either). So any movement or buildup must be shown as an instantly "threatening movement".

As b and Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2021 19:28 utc | 6 say, Yelnya is a strategic choice, as the Russians can move troops either towards Unkraine/Donbas or Belarus as they wish. There are already many troops (80'000?) pre-positioned further south, and with heavy material available for future needs. (Not including Crimea and the military force there).

However, the prime mover for the WAPO PR is NATO.
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Any European who suggests that Europe becomes the site of a nuclear exchange is quite frankly an idiot. (Such as the German Minister of "Defense")
NATO representatives are made up of "Defense Ministers" from the countries involved, so they get more personal influence but are less in a position to be obliged to support the official policies of their respective Governments.
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karlof1 | Nov 2 2021 19:35 utc | 9

The US sub was possibly spying 150 km from a major Chinese submarine base, or so it is now claimed. This is probably a "half-truth" to hide something else. ie. that the submarine was in fact a lot closer to the Chinese mainland and base. It could have been running without using sonar, to enable it to hide, using "maps" created by an Australian group and dead-reckoning. In which case the Chinese interest is normal, and even crucial for them.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 2 2021 20:08 utc | 11

Massing near the EU's border says the English 'Daily Express'. With physical sales of this rag 90% down on peak, the Internet subscription asks for donations like most of the other trash (Times, Guardian, Mail, Telegraph . . . . . ). Here's my donation, a fresh steaming pile on your reception carpet.

Posted by: WTFUD | Nov 2 2021 20:08 utc | 12

In light of the deadliness of the Turkish Bayaktar drones, as demonstrated in Lybia and in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, do they pose a 'gamechanger' with respect to the Donbass conflict?

Are there links to any articles discussing defenses to them?

Posted by: chet380 | Nov 2 2021 20:23 utc | 13

"Yelnya is a strategic choice, as the Russians can move troops either towards Unkraine/Donbas or Belarus as they wish."

No more strategic than San Francisco. From there you can go north into Seattle, Calgary, Edmonton and take all of Western Canada, or swing south into Tijuana, or go east all the way to NYC.

Cities tend to be transportation hubs connecting roads, rail lines, and frequently next to rivers. I guess the Russians should be consigned to doing all of their training in outer-Mongolia but then we'd hear about their secret alliance w/the Chinese.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2021 20:26 utc | 14

Smolensk was sporadically under Lithuanian rule in the Middle Ages. Most recently, from 1611 to 1654, it was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Wikipedia says the same is true of Yelnya.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 2 2021 20:40 utc | 15

But, b, it's just like those sneaky Russkies to do the buildup for the attack hundreds of miles away, so as to allay suspicion ... but the WaPo and Cialitico are far too smart for them. They know that troops amassing in Vladivostok are really aiming to attack Kiev.

(Somewhat) more seriously, re this "To be again exposed as toothless loudmouths would be another disaster for U.S. foreign policy. Joe Biden is too experienced to let that happen on his watch." ... the problem is that, more and more, "Joe Biden" is revealed as not really being in charge of anything in particular. So while the JB of 2010 may have known what he was doing, the current version is employing some vicious lunatics. Who really knows what the plan is?

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 2 2021 20:45 utc | 16

karlof1 @9

The argument that I heard is the submarine that crashed was running with its "active sonar" turned off and using only "passive sonar". Of course, that is like running with your eyes closed. I doubt that submarines normally operate that way unless they have something unusual to hide. I don't see why they would take that kind of risk if they were just cruising around minding their own business.

You are right though, there is no way the submarine should have crashed if it had its active sonar on, and there is no reason for them not to have their active sonar on unless they were up to no good. The Chinese are entirely correct to say the Navy is being cagey about the incident.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2021 20:49 utc | 17

The Saker may be educated on Intel and Military matters, but his bias often takes his analyses way off chart.

He tends to over dramatise things and every time there is tension he predicts war or some kind of escalation, perhaps since it would give him more clicks or simply because it fulfils a sense of purpose, either way, i take his input beyond the facts with a big grain of salt.

Anyone who refers to Russia as 'she' and then uses childish terms like 'Ukronazi' or 'Uncle Schmuel' is way too biased or emotionally involved to give any objective analysis.

Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 2 2021 20:58 utc | 18

The Saker may be educated on Intel and Military matters, but his bias often takes his analyses way off chart.

He tends to over dramatise things and every time there is tension he predicts war or some kind of escalation, perhaps since it would give him more clicks or simply because it fulfils a sense of purpose, either way, i take his input beyond the facts with a big grain of salt.

Anyone who refers to Russia as 'she' and then uses childish terms like 'Ukronazi' or 'Uncle Schmuel' is way too biased or emotionally involved to give any objective analysis.

Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 2 2021 20:58 utc | 19

Yup, just another fundraiser planted by a call to willing pressitutes.

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 2 2021 21:06 utc | 20

Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2021 20:26 utc | 14

Ah but, San Francisco is next to the sea, so they can't go westwards. So the Russians have a slight advantage if they land there. Actually it would be difficult as there are problems of unloading ships. The idea of an invasion fleet waiting for the end of a dockers strike doesn't seem to figure in many military scenarios.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 2 2021 21:07 utc | 21

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2021 20:49 utc | 17

It's actually quite normal to run on passive only aided only with maps complied from decades of patrols.

Going active would give away its presence and even location as the ping will travel far beyond its useful range, meaning others in the area will know there's a "contact" in the area and perhaps its location without the pinging sub ever knowing about it. Tactically a dumb move if you're not supposed to be there to start with.

The question is why it needs to sneak around in others backyard? Did it in fact happened in international waters? Who was it tracking?

In any case, this is why everyone is sending drones all over the ocean to map out the sea floor.

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 2 2021 21:15 utc | 22

nice catch, b... thanks so much


"The cause of war is preparation for war." - W.E.B. DuBois

"In war, events of importance are the result of trivial causes." - Julius Caesar


all sides are well prepared for war.

But who is to gain from the WA Post's and Politico's skewed war mongering and militarism? well, lots of vested interests in the US, that's for sure.

And as long as the war if far from US borders, they frankly my dear don't give a damn

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 2 2021 21:18 utc | 23

Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 2 2021 20:58 utc | 18

I agree, but old habits die hard. He WAS a military analyst and his relevance is predicated on everyone is always going to war. And so he writes.

Kinda like NATO and uncle sam.

He is definitely interesting to read and he raises interesting insights. Though on the whole i usually put a discount of 30-50% on his conclusions.

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 2 2021 21:23 utc | 24

https://www.perild.com/2021/11/02/ukrainian-defense-minister-andriy-taran-resigns/

Earlier, the head of the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada, David Arakhamia, said that Taran “has complaints about his state of health,” in connection with which another person may head the ministry.

Posted by: Wim | Nov 2 2021 21:48 utc | 25

Posted by b on November 2, 2021 at 18:21 UTC


Today the Ukrainian defense minister Andriy Taran suddenly resigned. No reasons were given. Did he receive orders he did not like?

Thank you for the post. I appreciate your prompt swatting of the western propagandist claptrap.

Perhaps the defense minister was a warmonger and Zelensky too chastened by recent NATO/USEU betrayal to take any more BS from the NATO clowns and a captive defense minister.

Zelensky has gas to transport and export and deliver to his people and very little else matters in the the next four months. In two more years Gazprom might just declare the gas pipeline fully derelict and beyond safe operation. They sure are intimating that. I assume the maintenance and replacement is in Ukraine hands after reading the Putin/Gazprom comments over the past months. Right now more war against the Donbass is not in Zelensky's or the Ukranian oligarchs interests if the the gas is going to be shut down because of failure to maintain the pipeline. Any pipe fracture or 'accident' in the winter would be a major issue. It would be a disaster if the pipeline went the same way as the ammunition warehouses did a few years back.

Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2021 21:52 utc | 26

Here’s the latest Russia baiting in the Obsessive Grauniad deepstate mouthpiece of the 5 eyes - which properly belongs in a earlier MoA article but fits here too.

“Four more UK energy suppliers go bust amid high gas prices
Ofgem says latest collapses will leave about 24,000 households in need of a new supplier”
“Jillian Ambrose
Tue 2 Nov 2021 18.38 GMT
Last modified on Tue 2 Nov 2021 20.39 GMT”

“Another four energy suppliers have gone bust in a single day as historic gas market highs continue to rip through the UK’s energy market amid fresh fears that Russia may curb gas supplies to Europe.”
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“... its decision to send only contracted volumes ...”

Ridiculous isn’t it?

Apparently it may have something to do with Nordstream2 which as most people know, has been stalled by US pressure in recent years who have insisted it does not become operational!
As bernard clearly pointed out, the western nato worshipping Poles who took Gazprom to international courts to get out of their legal contract and won a few billion dollars back now want to go back to that same deal since the prices have gone up! And the Ukrainians who have let their pipeline fall into disrepair under US direction and Nazi resurgence directed by Nuland and Biden & Sons robbing the place blind.

So apparently it is Russia’s fault for building a pipeline that is not desired by Washington, which isn’t operational yet because of Washington, which can’t send any more through the dodgy Ukrainian pipe, or to dodgy Poles who refuse to stick to a deal , but despite which Russia is sending its CONTRACTED amount. But it’s apparently still Russia’s fault!

What is not mentioned in the Groaniad is where the f*** is all that US gas that they were planning to sell to Europe?
Hmm???
But then again someone who can’t even spell their own name correctly can’t be relied on to be a honest narrator can they?

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 2 2021 21:56 utc | 27

Estados Unidos es como un cocodrilo sin dientes,seguirá dando miedo mientras no abra la boca.

Posted by: Frasco | Nov 2 2021 22:07 utc | 28

"Yelnya is a strategic choice, as the Russians can move troops either towards Unkraine/Donbas or Belarus as they wish."

No more strategic than San Francisco. From there you can go north into Seattle, Calgary, Edmonton and take all of Western Canada, or swing south into Tijuana, or go east all the way to NYC.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2021 20:26 utc | 14

The forces of California Republic blitzing to take over oil fields of Alberta and all the wheat, barley etc. of Canadian praire states ... hm? Wouldn't Canadian destroy roads in Rocky Mountain passes using long/medium range missiles? The offensive would be stalled, and upon reaching Canadian prairie with considerable delay, Californian motorized and armored divisions would be greeted with blizzards leading to huge losses from frostbite, snow blindness etc. On top of that, retreating Canadians would make sure that all gas stations are closed.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 22:23 utc | 29

I think that Russia deserves some sanctions for persecution of heterosexuals: "Russia Jails Blogger, Model For Imitating Oral Sex Near Church", an unmarried couple posted their highly sexualized selfies in front of the main Russian Church on Red Square, and got duly sentenced, according to a website funded by US government.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 22:40 utc | 30

This is for domestic consumption. Just keeping the Russiaphobia flame going, and to counter any critics of the US warships in the Black Sea

Posted by: Moses | Nov 2 2021 22:47 utc | 31

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 2 2021 21:56 utc | 27

Who is getting bankrupt? I followed one company that was large enough to have a linK:

@ByRobDavies
Fri 8 Oct 2021 09.30 EDT
A struggling household energy supplier switched thousands of unprofitable customers to rival companies without their express consent, in an apparent bid to avoid financial collapse.

Omni Energy wrote to customers earlier this month, warning them that it was “highly likely” the business would buckle under the weight of record high gas prices. It advised them to switch supplier and said it would do so on their behalf unless they objected.

With wholesale prices at record highs, customers are paying less for gas than suppliers can buy it, meaning households that use a lot of energy are costing suppliers such as Omni large amounts of money. Since the beginning of August, 10 suppliers have fallen into insolvency and Omni is hoping to avoid the same fate.

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Post-bankruptcy Omni Energy changed its name to Omnia Vanitas (Latin for "all tanks are empty", also appears in the Bible).

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From context, Omnia Vanitas did not had its own network of pipes delivering to customers, but somehow delivered gas through complicated trades of shares of the natural gas circulating in the supply network. Such companies exist because of regulations "liberalizing utility markets", allowing customer to get blessings from financial alchemy on large, medium and minute scale. I never understood what good does it make to ANYONE except deserving poor who get employed to make junk phone calls. Better than collecting empty cans and bottles for recycling -- probably they work in warm places, like India, in villages with no better jobs. But on the receiving end of those phone calls, it does not seem beneficial at all.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 23:05 utc | 32

Two forms of obscenity called "naked put":
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 22:40 utc | 30 <-- heterosexuals "I am putting this naked something somewhere in the front of a church"
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 22:40 utc | 30 <-- writing contracts to supply gas without having any

Unrelated form of obscenity: citing myself twice


Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 23:13 utc | 33

I have a stupid question. And I’m asking it based on the premise that the British don’t go to war to lose. (Too much experience as a Canadian/resident of the American continental island). If you’re a regular soldier, boots on the ground, cannon fodder, in the Ukrainian military; and it’s becoming obvious that you’re going to be sent on a suicidal mission, could you surrender in advance to that Russian base?

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 2 2021 23:17 utc | 34

@ # 1 said it right

"Smoke...gotta keep the fear factor up,
particularly among the US voters.

Posted by: vetinLA | Nov 2 2021 23:18 utc | 35

@Et Tu #18

…childish terms like 'Ukronazi'…

As of 2021, the term “Ukronazi” doesn’t sound like an exaggeration.

Ukrainian Nazi collaborators have participated in killing 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews in what is known as “the holocaust by bullets” (as well as killing Polish, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Russian civilians). There’s nothing about this in Ukrainian textbooks.

These collaborators then joined Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA): in fact, about half of UPA and OUN-B leaders were former Ukrainian Nazi collaborators (i.e. members of Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, SS Division Galicia, Nachtigal Battalion, Roland Battalion, etc.). There’s nothing about this in Ukrainian textbooks.

Ukrainian textbooks claim that UPA was fighting both Soviets and Germans. That’s not true. German military archives do not mention any battles with UPA; throughout the entire war, there were just a few tiny skirmishes caused by mistakes in identification—not a single German soldier died as a result.

Both Bandera (head of OUN-B) and Melnik (head of OUN-M) received money from Germany before the war to prepare insurgencies in Soviet rear. There’s nothing about this in Ukrainian textbooks.

It’s no surprise that, as a result of this systematic perversion of history (led by the notorious Ukrainian Institute of National Memory), this year, for the first time, there was a march in Kiev commemorating the SS Division Galicia (14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS). The entire Ukraine—MPs, priests, school kids—is currently engaged in an internet “challenge” singing a song “Our father Bandera”. Each year, more and more monuments are being built in memory of various Ukrainian Nazi collaborators, most of them outright war criminals who engaged in mass murder of civilians, while monuments commemorating Soviet troops are being dismantled. All this despite the fact that only 150–250 thousand Ukrainians were members of UPA, while more than 6 million Ukrainians fought in the ranks of the Red Army. Both Nazi and Soviet symbols are outlawed in Ukraine, however, in practice, nothing happens to those displaying Nazi symbols and Ukrainian Nazi collaborators symbols.

Given this context, I think it’s not a stretch or a “childish term” to call such a regime “Ukronazis”. In fact, by now the problem is not just the regime—large swathes of Ukrainian population are infected with this alternative history ideology.

Posted by: S | Nov 2 2021 23:22 utc | 36

@34 If you consume enough vodka prior to the mission everything will be OK. Glory to the heroes!!!

Posted by: dh | Nov 2 2021 23:24 utc | 37

uncle tungsten @26--

No matter what, the Spice Must Flow.

Meanwhile within Russia, Gazprom was tasked with connecting every home to gas lines by Putin in 2019 if I recall; so I wonder how that "difficult task" (Gazprom's words) is going? For all their advancements, many forget that Russia and China are still developing nations and will become much stronger going forward.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2021 23:47 utc | 38

Meanwhile in the Empire:

Das Boot(ed Out)


https://www.unz.com/article/cover-up-of-u-s-nuclear-sub-collision-in-south-china-sea/


The ludicrous Amerikastani Navy “explanation” as of yesterday is that the sub “hit an undersea mountain” due to “old maps.” Can anyone believe this? Either the Amerikastani Navy is too incompetent to provide its own sailors up to date navigation information and said crew, in peacetime when they’re not being hunted, in international waters, did not use active sonar to ‘see’ where they were going. This, by the way, being the crew of the Amerikastani Empire’s arguably only remaining truly world class military arm, its submarine fleet. Or something else happened which is deliberately being concealed, the most likely being that it was not where it was officially stated to be, but in Chinese territorial waters, where it didn’t have proper knowledge of the undersea topography and didn’t dare turn on its active sonar because that would give its position away. And as for what it hit, your guess is as good as mine.

Of course, there is the possibility that the Amerikastani Empire is telling the truth, and that its sub crew really is that incompetent. The implications of that are probably more frightening than anything else.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 3 2021 0:04 utc | 39

As for the Faker, he has taken to insulting any commenter who expresses anything even slightly dissenting to his own opinions, and stopped posting on Unz and Southfront because people could take apart his vapid maunderings there. His Junkyard is now an echo chamber of himself and his acolytes like amarynth, Katerina, and Larchmonter 445. Thinking humans are excluded.

When people don't allow discussion of their statements, you know they're aware that they're lying.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 3 2021 0:11 utc | 40

"Kremlin responds to claims Russian troops are 'massing' on border with Ukraine" cites Peskov as saying:

"'The quality of these publications is not even worth commenting on and, in general, you should not pay any attention to them, because you yourself saw that the article is about the border with Ukraine,' he said, insisting that the photos 'show the border with Belarus… There is no need to waste time getting acquainted with such low-quality rubbish.'" [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2021 0:13 utc | 41

@Biswapriya Purkayast #39

As Russians are joking, “the undersea mountain suffered no damage and has successfully returned to its base.”

Posted by: S | Nov 3 2021 0:44 utc | 42

It's obvious! Those sneaky Russians are planning to enter Belarus, then turn south into Ukraine to make us think that it's Belarus who has invaded, not Russia! And then The Russians will invade from the Russian border to "save" Ukraine from Belarus. (But the whole plan will come adrift when the Martians invade.)

Posted by: RoHa | Nov 3 2021 1:16 utc | 43

karlof1 @ 9:

I should think we can take as given (and other respondents to your comment have implied as much) that the US routinely sends its submarines with their active sonar turned off close to or even into the maritime territories of Russia, China, Iran and any other nation deemed an "enemy" to test those nations' level of response: how fast they react and the seriousness of the response as measured in the scale of the response, if and when they detect the subs' presence, and what that response says about their capabilities at any one time. The risk of having an accident - with the risk of losing valuable military personnel, and hardware and equipment that cost millions if not billions to build - while effectively sailing blind through the South China Sea or other parts of the western Pacific must have been considered worth taking for any information that might be gained by deliberately putting subs in harm's way.

Likewise US military planes and fighter jets might turn off their active transponders while flying close to Russian, Chinese or other "enemy" nations' airspace, for much the same reason as the subs turn off their active sonar in spite of any risks that doing so might incur.

We can expect ditto for British submarines and planes operating in the western Pacific region now that they can be based in Australia under the AUKUS alliance.

Perhaps the only way Russia, China or any other "enemy" nation can stop or reduce the routine snooping around is if a sub were baited with something that draws it in close enough that it can be captured and the crew seized and held as bargaining chips to force the US or the UK to relieve sanctions or release prisoners. The U-2 fighter jet incident in 1960 in which Gary Powers was captured by the Soviets comes to mind.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 3 2021 1:35 utc | 44

@Lysias(#15):
And 1548 Turin was a part of the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" your facts are a little bit outdated.

Posted by: Wolle | Nov 3 2021 2:07 utc | 45

@Biswapriya Purkayast(#39): Maybe it was the continental shelf of Chinas mainland. But there was some demolition on the upper side. Maybe the tunnel to the Mongolian submarine base was too small! ;-) Or don't drink and dive! ;-)

Posted by: Wolle | Nov 3 2021 2:15 utc | 46

BP #39

My surmise is the USN submarine ran into a booby trap set by China. Perhaps it occurred in waters close to a key naval site where China has detected intrusions in the past. What better way to snafu a spy, get a handle on its regular approach path and set up a trick. I laughed at - blame the Aussie mappers. Good try.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 3 2021 2:56 utc | 47

I'm of a mind to say some things in favor of the Saker.

I regard him as one of the most honest of men. Very sincere in his thoughts and in his feelings. I disagree with his judgment of the proximity of kinetic war in practically every instance that he has felt it - but I have no doubt that he feels it truly.

I think he does nothing as linkbait - his biggest headache is dealing with the enormous traffic a simple blogger has to face, when all he wants is to communicate and discuss.

I think the most gentlemanly thing said of the Saker's analysis was said by b in this article, that he disagrees with the Saker's assessment of likelihood. I loved that. I admired it. And after all, what else is there that matters apart from this?

~~

But if we were talking out of line, about the man himself, and what drives him...I would say that although I came late enough to the Maidan that he was already there, I regard him as a comrade in arms in that struggle, at least in the realm of words. But if we were somehow to be on the physical field of battle itself, I would find myself alongside him - and I would fight anyone who would disparage him.

It's a matter of honor. And he has it. And no one without honor has the right to judge him. I always think of him, as I have told him, with fondness and respect, and I will always find it very hard to hear bad things said about him.

~~

And yes, I agree with b that I think the Saker is wrong to feel that war is near in the Ukraine situation. And this is because there is more nuance in heaven than we on earth can always see, and it operates in those thin slices of escalation that we talk about here, and which never quite took hold over there (at the Saker), but which appear to me to be the definitive reality on the ground.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 3 2021 3:34 utc | 48

The Ukraine is Russia's Taiwan inasmuch as the Empire would like nothing better than to start a fire in them two places. Russia has every right to prepare its firefighters to smother the flames in the crib so to speak. No to do so would be dereliction of duty pure and simple.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Nov 3 2021 3:37 utc | 49

Amazing the sub collides and no one tells what happen, where it was, why it was there, whether or not it was victim to a bobbi trapped, or a sleeping sub captain, nor has the extent of its damage been clearly stated.. this usually means some negotiations are ongoing ..

The investigation should be centered around how the media managed to block the reports of the event out worldwide?
The person in charge of the media blackout..did a good job..

Posted by: snake | Nov 3 2021 3:44 utc | 50

@48 Grieved

Thanks Grieved, well put.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Nov 3 2021 5:07 utc | 51

snake | Nov 3 2021 3:44 utc | 50:

I doubt there are any negotiations between China and the US. The USN knows they've been caught red-handed and just want the entire matter to disappear into the nearest memory hole. By publicly admitting the USS Connecticut struck an uncharted seamount while in international waters, the USN redirected the media focus elsewhere. Case closed. Maybe one day a resourceful journalist would track down a crew member for details.

The Chinese response is rather telling. They know what happened and warned that this type of "accident" could become more frequent if the USN continues to provoke.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 3 2021 5:31 utc | 52

I would very surprised if a US sub skipper used his active sonar anywhere in the South China Sea. It's a point of honor to these guys to push the envelope and go beyond the letter of their orders in order to harass the enemy. Andrei Martyanov recommended a book on his blog a few months back, Hostile Waters, that describes the loss of the Soviet SSBN K-219 off the US east coast. After a devastating explosion of one of K-219's missiles caused by a fuel leak the Soviet crew made heroic efforts to save their ship. A US attack submarine had been trailing K-219 and did everything possible to hamper these efforts.

Before the explosion the Soviet skipper had deeply embarrassed his US counterpart. Despite his antiquated vessel, he had shaken off his pursuer and maneuvered into a firing position, hitting the US with an active 'ping'. The US skipper (with the Strangelovian name of Van Riper), decided to avenge this insult by using his vessel to cut the tow line between K-219 and a Soviet merchant ship that had arrived to help, and later attempted to ram a small boat carrying Soviet officers between K-219 and the merchant ship. Fearing the next step may have been an attempt to board K-219, the Soviet captain withdrew the damage control party and allowed K-219 to sink.

Undersea cowboys like Van Riper are an accident waiting to happen. Even assuming the seamount explanation is true, playing reckless games of chicken or avenging a perceived slight from a Chinese sub may have been the cause.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Nov 3 2021 5:34 utc | 53

Apropos that submarine, it is true that turning off your active sonar makes you a little less visible (although since your reactor is running, all the hydrophones in the area will still hear you -- just a bit less effectively and with less ability to identify your submarine type. So it is commonplace activity for espionage operations close to potential enemy territory.

Howeveer, the U.S. has the world's best maps of the sea floor. And every U.S. submarine is trained in this kind of operration. Hence, either this was complete incompetence (in which case all that stuff about the U.S. submarine fleet being its last world-class military element may be mistaken) or the sub was tracked by the Chinese and then damaged by them in some way, with the U.S. government falling all over themselves to conceal the fact.

If the latter, then the Chinese military forces in the South China Sea are more capable than I expected. (I don't want to diss the Chinese military, but they are a little inexperienced and people who don't like the Western military often seem to overstate Chinese capabilities.)

Posted by: MFB | Nov 3 2021 6:59 utc | 54

The script says as follows: You, Zelensky, will initiate the war on Donbas & you will lose it. Thus Putin gets vilified & seriously sanctioned, once again, and actual Ukraine survives as a Judeo-Banderista entity and is ready to receive Nato´s redesigned aid packages.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Nov 3 2021 9:15 utc | 55

@ Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2021 23:05 utc | 32

The U.K. electricity suppliers fairyland is in its final stages of being returned to state ownership having had the last drops of public wealth wrung out of it through privatisation, mergers acquisitions private foreign ownership and max price gouging.
I refused to have a electricity meter installed and play the game of jumping between suppliers who are not directly supplying anything! I refused a water meter on the same basis but they installed one anyway because it was beyond my property boundary and have put me on metered charges anyway - when originally they had promised everyone that we would be able to choose whether we wanted to pay metered or carry on with fixed charges!

The choice was a mirage. Just like competition of privatised companies from a single National supplier that had spent decades and millions in public runs to build the infrastructures and expertise broken up was a lie. They have mostly all coalesced again into mega entities without any maintenance or refurb - we are pumping raw sewage into our rivers and ground waters from where our tap waters come.

It’s the same for EVERY public service. And BrexShit and XR/Little elfin princess pushed Green New Deals (did you see billionaire scion ‘Lord’ Goldsmith celebrating his billion $$€¥££ ‘deal’?)

We all know they take national wealth that the public purse builds line candy from kids in broad daylight robbery in the streets- laughing at our failure to step up and stop them.

Today the U.K. government will take a major step towards full on upfront dictatorship as it abandons the fantasy that MInisters don’t profit from lobbying for their masters. As the Parliament ignores its own independent investigation and overturns a suspension for being caught of one of the fascist robbers still filling his own boots at the trough.

The U.K. suffered a coup in December 2019 and the junta and reichstagg is about to see the end of the veneer of ‘democracy’ - it really is that serious. People refuse to see or believe -just as the Germans prewar didn’t and ended up in catastrophe for their peoples for generations.

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 3 2021 9:21 utc | 56

Seems like the sub collision might be a setup. US will accuse China of building artificial mountains under water, therefore disturbing international waterways! (no idea where this is at actually, so don't take me too literally)

Posted by: Seer | Nov 3 2021 9:25 utc | 57

So what happened to that sub? A reverse of the Tom Clancy-esq gunghoistic pisstake comment :‘what ??you pranged another of your subs???’

Or as Global Times seems to have it
‘ China, Russia wrap up 1st joint sea patrol’

‘the patrol showed a high degree of actual combat. Immediately transitioning from a drill to patrol is a mechanism of transforming from a peacetime to wartime status. "The formation of such a mechanism indicates that the capacity of China and Russia to make quick reactions in military cooperation is improving quickly’

‘the first China-Russia joint sea patrol in waters in the West Pacific is of vital significance in both sending a clear signal and practically enhancing combat preparedness.’

‘It again demonstrates the two sides' firm determination to safeguard international and regional strategic stability, ‘

Anyone got any doubts about what happened as being a accidental bit of negligent navigation?

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 3 2021 9:39 utc | 58

@34 - Bruised Northerner
Not a "stupid question", back to 2014:
(I know it's RFERL but you can search for other sources...)
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-soldiers-border/25480800.html
"on August 4 that more than 400 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into Russia overnight, allegedly to avoid fighting with pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.
The Ukrainian military confirmed that an undisclosed number of troops had crossed into Russia, but it denied Russian media reports the soldiers were seeking refugee status.
Vasily Malayev, a senior Federal Security Service (FSB) official, told Russian news agencies that a "humanitarian corridor was opened" for 438 Ukrainian soldiers who asked permission to enter Russia.
The soldiers were reportedly surrounded by the rebels after they ran out of ammunition.
Malayev later said 180 of the troops had requested to be returned to Ukraine.

Posted by: Kristof G. | Nov 3 2021 10:14 utc | 59

"Joe Biden is too experienced to let that happen on his watch." Is he?

Posted by: Steve | Nov 3 2021 10:54 utc | 60

Submarines;
If the US sub didn't hit a mountain underwater, it hit something that was moving. Possibly another sub.

This conclusion relies on a bit of circumstantial observation: One feed that I watch semi-regularly, had a tweet showing two spy planes, One Chinese and the other US (Poseidon if I remember), circling close to one another in the South China sea. At about 30 km from each other. The Feed disappeared (Twit. "This site does not exist") yesterday, but has since reappeared, without the tweet. ie. Why?

Admittedly, I can add two and two together and get five sometimes without resorting to "new" maths, but the conclusion must be that they were looking for something (the same thing) in the same area. (South of Taiwan). I don't know where the US sub had it's accident, but there is a chance it was around that point.
*

Assuming that something was hit and then sank, whose "thing" was it? If Chinese, they know that the "thing" would now be dead, and some "recognition" by the US of it's collision would be called for.

Bit of a long shot, I know, but it is a conceivable alternative.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 3 2021 11:16 utc | 61

b, it is reported that an Iranian tanker loaded with oil was boarded and taken and the Iranians took it back.. maybe you should look into this matter

Posted by: snake | Nov 3 2021 12:35 utc | 62

Beware people, "China panic: Nation 'preparing for war' as citizens asked to 'stockpile necessities'" reports the Express. While the Telegraph spins the same story as "China stockpiles food as energy crisis and Covid outbreak threaten Xi’s grip on power".

Foreign Policy warns that declining powers are likely to start a war. Of course the declining power is China and urges "The United States needs to prepare for a major war, not because its rival is rising but because of the opposite."

The Atlantic says we are in a Cold War with China, "The question is whether Washington can deter Beijing from initiating a hot one.". Good one, that.

On and on and on.
There appear to be repeating threads to these China and Russian stories.
1. China & Russia are aggressive.
2. China & Russia are weak.
3. China & Russia have deadly weapons, preparing for war, etc. America must respond.

If headlines can create reality it looks like some sort of major escalation is very likely. Hopefully this is all bluster.

Posted by: Mighty Drunken | Nov 3 2021 12:58 utc | 63

Re: D.G. | Nov 3 2021 9:21 utc | 56

"The U.K. suffered a coup in December 2019 and the junta and reichstagg is about to see the end of the veneer of ‘democracy’ - it really is that serious. People refuse to see or believe -just as the Germans prewar didn’t and ended up in catastrophe for their peoples for generations."

IMO, it wasn't just the UK that has suffered a coup. There is overwhelming evidence that the 2020 US presidential election was stolen (such evidence was never allowed to be presented in US Federal courts, illustrating the absolute corruption in the judiciary . . . all three branches of the US Federal government are entirely corrupt). Corporate media censored any discussion of the theft, just as it now does with expert scientific and medical information about the dangers of the mRNA "vaccines".

Unless you are blind, it is clear that the UK, the US, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are all under the same fascist control. Only the Second Amendment in the US has to date prevented the extremes of oppression that are now being experienced in the other "western democracies [sic]".

The impending financial collapse in the West makes another war imperative for the military-industrial-congressional-academic-media complex. The woke ideologues in charge live in their own uniformed reality and are unlikely to be deterred by any rational thought process that is not sensitive to their needs.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 3 2021 13:25 utc | 64

b, it is reported that an Iranian tanker loaded with oil was boarded and taken and the Iranians took it back.. maybe you should look into this matter
Posted by: snake | Nov 3 2021 12:35 utc | 62

An RT report claims that first the US removed the oil from the tanker, then the Iranians took back the tanker (losing the oil?), then that the Iranians "had successfully chased off American forces in the Sea of Oman, and accused the US of attempting to steal Iranian oil. The IRGC had “thwarted” an attempt by the US to take command of a giant oil tanker ..." This report is self-contradictory. Either the oil was stolen or it was not. If the oil was stolen then the Iranian operation was only partially successfull.

A Presstv.ir report here makes more sense and claims that "The US military confiscated the Iranian tanker loaded with crude oil in the Sea of Oman, which connects the Arabian Sea with the Strait of Hormuz, and intended to unload its shipment to another tanker ..." and "Reacting promptly, however, members of the IRGC’s Navy carried out a heliborne operation on the stolen ship’s deck, gained control of the vessel, and directed it back toward Iran’s territorial waters." - implying that the tanker was recovered before the theft of the oil could be commenced and/or completed. Maybe the US was in the midst of making the connections when they were foiled.

The RT report is probably a confusion.

Either way, this is a blatent act of piracy right on Iran's doorstep. The US needs to suffer some consequences for this criminal act. Iran will no doubt take some kind of countermeasures. While arresting the US warship responsible and charging its crew with piracy would be recklessly escalatory and dangerous, maybe they can capture the tanker that was preparing to receive the stolen oil, confiscate the tanker and jail the crew?

Piracy is piracy, and the law cannot call this event anything else. What does international law say about piracy committed by a military ship?

Posted by: BM | Nov 3 2021 13:56 utc | 66

/cont

If the oil and/or tanker were state-owned, I imagine that piracy by a military ship against state-owned materials would constitute an act of war (in this case obviously a war of aggression). What that implies for the piracy part I don't know. Wouldn't it be nice to have a captain of a US Navy ship imprisoned and put on trial for international piracy?

Posted by: BM | Nov 3 2021 14:02 utc | 67


another report
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/11/03/669836/US-Pfizer-vaccine- needs to be evaluated, but the link starts out with

An employee at a US-based contract research company helping to carry out Pfizer’s pivotal Covid-19 vaccine trial was fired after reporting massive clinical trial violations, according to the British scientific journal The BMJ.
can someone find the BMJ article and post it here..

Posted by: snake | Nov 3 2021 14:09 utc | 68

As Russians are joking, “the undersea mountain suffered no damage and has successfully returned to its base.”
Posted by: S | Nov 3 2021 0:44 utc | 42

Whell, that was exactly what I recommended the Chinese should do actually! Maybe they really were doing it.

Posted by: BM | Nov 3 2021 14:22 utc | 69

BMJ report here.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Posted by: S.O. | Nov 3 2021 14:37 utc | 70

Old maps were also the excuse for bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 3 2021 14:41 utc | 71

BMJ report here.
Posted by: S.O. | Nov 3 2021 14:37 utc | 70

You've beaten me to it!

The whistleblower Jackson - employed specifically as a clinical trial auditor - had only been 2 weeks on the job, and the evidence she presented goes back to the beginning of the trial. So apparently her predecessor seems to have resigned over it, or maybe also fired. The ground on which the company fired Jackson was described as being "not a good fit". Numerous other workers interviewed by RT were also fired or subsequently resigned.

This was the Stage III trial on which the emergency authorisation of the Pfizer gene modification therapy (aka "vaccine") was granted, and it was evidently fraudulently manipulated. Is anyone surprised?

Posted by: BM | Nov 3 2021 14:51 utc | 72

'RT contacted Pfizer’s press office for comment, but the email bounced back, returning the automated message “The recipient’s mailbox is full and can’t accept messages now.”'

Is Pfizer a "fly by night" operation?

Posted by: BM | Nov 3 2021 14:59 utc | 73

thanks c1ue for the piece on the US restaurant supply chain problems. that was really interesting

Posted by: mastameta | Nov 3 2021 15:10 utc | 74

RE: Posted by b on November 2, 2021 at 18:21 UTC | Permalink

When Russian Troops Training In Russia Are 'Raising Concerns' Its Propaganda
No it is a function of fear and ineptitude outlined below.

"how the US sees the world , its designated enemies and the contempt they have for their “allies” who still prostrated themselves."

"The United States of America" are coercive social relations and hence de facto can never be united, except in the waning beliefs/mantras/rituals of supplication of the self-perceived "participants" interpreted momentarily as being "participants" by their perceived "prostration/supplication".

Hence all are potential enemies not always designated, some left inchoate for potential future utility since the other is perceived de facto as not I, never not we although misrepresented as such, objects requiring constant coercion in the hope of maintaining waning beliefs/mantras/rituals of supplication/ "prostration" predicated on contempt/fear of all, as incorporated in the devotional text starting "We the people hold these truths to be self-evident........." indicating a fear of doubt, non-conformance/otherness that requires constant denial by immersion in certainty re-enforced by ritual which do not facilitate the purpose.

"The United States of America" is a bluff of the constantly fearful.

Plus

Another bluff of the constantly fearful “United States of America”.

https://www.rt.com/russia/539243-romanenko-ukraine-readiness-martial-law/

Plus

“It was racist Zionist ideology that made it impossible. As long as Zionists hold power in a Jewish-only state they will continue to expand territorially.”

Misrepresentation can be facilitated by ommission.

Among the primary omissions above are the roles of the two bookends in South Western Asia – Israel and Saudi Arabia - in facilitating attempts at divide and rule by “The United States of America” and the continued role of the “Palestinian leadership” by design and/or default as a function of their ignorance/purposes.

However some “Zionists” through their own ignorance interpreted the charade as being serious to such an extent as to assassinate Mr. Rabin, which some allege was facilitated and/or used by Mr. Netanyahu and associates to ensure consequent primacy of Likud and associates.

Another bluff of the constantly fearful leading to “unintended consequences”.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 3 2021 15:55 utc | 75

@Stonebird | Nov 3 2021 11:16 utc | 61

If the US sub didn't hit a mountain underwater, it hit something that was moving. Possibly another sub.

Or maybe it didn't hit anything. Perhaps a torpedo exploded accidentally or "accidentally"

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2021 16:13 utc | 76

RE: Posted by: Lysias | Nov 3 2021 14:41 utc | 71

“Old maps were also the excuse for bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. “

In the late 1990's Germany was attempting to resurrect Bismarck/Bleichroder routines, whilst Austria was engaged in routines to re-constitute a derivative of the Austro-Hungarian Empire through various projects not restricted to the Danube from Regensburg to the Danube Delta plus the Danube Black Canal at Cerna Voda, occasionally using EU funded projects (PHARE) as multipliers not restricted to the financial.

“The United States of America” thought that their previous efforts in Russia during the 1990's and elsewhere in Europe since at least 1917 had facilitated their “ownership/first call” on all spoils/tribute since they believed that “We won the Cold War/The end of History”.

Consequently NATO bombed the Danube during December 1998/January 1999 and blocked it just north of the Iron Gates, the primary targets being in descending order, Germany, Austria, the “European Union, and Serbia, in descending order the obfuscations were attack on Serbia, and the attack on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade on the bases of new/interactive maps and local assistance.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 3 2021 16:37 utc | 77

The funny thing I'd imagine is.
The Russian army would be wrapping up operations before the idiots in western media or intelligence were aware events had kicked off and finished!

Posted by: JPC | Nov 3 2021 16:40 utc | 78

We know that the saker is a usual reader of Alabama moon and I figure their discrepancies over the inevitability of a war UkiexRussia are rather a simple matter of interpretation and conceptual expansion only.
The saker did not say but may have inplied that such a war is of interest to kiev but yes, it sure is to the West. A useful distraction of war rumors from Kiev vis-avis their own citizens seems or either bloggerz a peaceful point.

Posted by: augusto | Nov 3 2021 16:58 utc | 79

@62 and 67:

It appears that the USN hijacked the Iranian tanker and pumped the oil into one of there tankers, but then that tanker was captured by the Iranians and brought back into their waters.

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1455859841407332356

Posted by: Victor | Nov 3 2021 17:09 utc | 80

Victor @80

According to that thread the Iranian oil was successfully transferred to an American tanker by the pirates but then the Iranians succeeded in apprehending the American tanker with the stolen cargo. This suggests that the Iranians got their tanker back and their cargo. I suppose it also means that they now have the American tanker impounded.

That sounds like a positive outcome to me.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 3 2021 17:44 utc | 81

Putin and Russia's MIC and Military chiefs held a third day of discussion in Sochi, with yet another very thin transcript to read. Here are a few highlights:

"Developing unique laser, hypersonic, kinetic and other types of weapons was a huge breakthrough in military technology for Russia. It has significantly, many-fold boosted the capacity of the Russian Armed Forces ensuring a high level of Russian military security for many years and even decades to come and it helped strengthen our strategic parity....

"I have noted several times that the Russian military-industrial complex, our fundamental and applied science, have done a lot of groundwork in this area. Tests have convincingly confirmed the unique characteristics of the Peresvet laser systems, and the Avangard and Kinzhal hypersonic weapons....

"Now it is particularly important to develop and introduce the technology needed for developing new hypersonic weapon systems, and more powerful lasers and robotic systems that will be capable of effectively countering potential military threats. Thus, they will further enhance our national security....

"We need to fully reflect these priorities in the new State Armament Programme through 2033. The Defence Ministry is already drafting documents for an integral system of benchmark data for this. The main, fundamental goal in this respect is to make sure that the advanced weapons and equipment that will be produced and delivered to the troops under this programme will reliably protect Russia from potential threats." [My Emphasis]

I omitted Putin's very heavy emphasis on the need to further develop AI for use in armaments of all types. I highlighted the word systems to note the plural usage, implying more than one system exists which has prompted earlier speculation about the nature of the system and its employment. Similarly, highlighting 2033 serves to inform us of the very long term, in-depth nature of Russia's defense planning as opposed to NATO, and specifically the Outlaw US Empire's two year budgetary procurement system that's proven to be woefully inadequate.

How much sharing goes on between China and Russia in the defense sphere is unknown, but I'd assume there's cooperation in the realms of AI and quantum computing with an eye on future unmanned combat systems--Droid Armies if you will--and also applications to space exploration and construction.

Judging from the three available transcripts, Putin seems very pleased with Russia's current position, excepting the epidemiological situation. I still await the beyond diplomatic move Lavrov alluded to regarding defending Russia from NATO. I'm also assuming Russia's confident its new S-500 series can defend Russia against its own hypersonic missiles and thus is more than capable of dealing with whatever NATO eventually fields. And if that's so, as I've speculated before, that would allow Russia to have a first strike capability without fearing much retaliatory damage--a huge game changer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2021 18:01 utc | 82

WG@81

Colonel Cassad has an update with a video made by the Iranians (the video includes a movie music soundtrack :-D )

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7188233.html

Posted by: Victor | Nov 3 2021 18:07 utc | 83

@81 "I suppose it also means that they now have the American tanker impounded."

Presumably there were American sailors/servicemen on board.

Posted by: dh | Nov 3 2021 20:09 utc | 84

Re Ukraine : an argument in favor of an imminent war by the Ukrainians would be this interesting tidbit of information : UKraine may be running out of energy. They are dependent on coal and gas supplies, however the price for both has shot through the roof, reserves are low, and there's not too many cash on hand for the Ukraine to replenish. This may trigger a major price shock which would be quite unpalatable for the ruling regime, and a strong incentive to bury or mask the causes by triggering a war.

Reasoning would be : better redirect people's anger than risk having Gilets Jaunes-like riots in the coming months once people are freezing.

Posted by: Micron | Nov 3 2021 20:13 utc | 85

Norwegian | Nov 3 2021 16:13 utc | 76

Torpedos? There probably wouldn't be anything left afterwards - unless it was one made by that Musk guy. His space ships blow up on occasions too.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 3 2021 20:20 utc | 86

lysia at 71.


the bombing of the Chinese embassy in belgrade during the US war against Serbia was definitely an important issue two decades ago. The Chinese remember very clearly that during the Boxer rebellion the Western powers used the fact that their embassies in Peking were violated as an excuse to attack and establish Western outposts throughout China.

It was the Cinton administration that was responsible for the violation of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. At that time the US refused to take full responsibility for the violation of China's diplomatic immunity. Clinton issued some mealy mouthed excuse of an operational "error". The Chinese, at that time, were not satisfied with Clinton's "apology". It seemed clear to me when this happened that there were forces inside the US defense establishment that approved the attack on China's Belgrade embassy because they were already pushing for more war against China.

Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 3 2021 20:42 utc | 87

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 3 2021 13:25 utc | 64

I agree that the 5+1 eyed Gollum Empire is largely run under the same gerrymandered and ballot fixing system.

Less so in the smaller populated NZ because it is harder to fix votes easily especially when there is a high normal turnout ON THE DAY.

Postal votes exponential rise since the turn of the Century along with full spectrum monopoly MSM and social media lies have pretty much meant the result is easily fixable. It’s harder in a general election but a piss of piss in any referendum; as was done initially in the Scottish independence referendum and followed up with the BrexShit fabuluso.

Our (U.K.) last GE was planned around the PV wmd as promised by UpPompeos Gauntlet speech, as the house slave of the ziofascist slavers and rapers of kids. And enhanced for the ousting of Trump - who had done his job as far as diverting the attention of WASP US patriots (mugs that they have always been and will remain).

The vote is NOT fixed in the +1 implacable Fatherland (or is it a Motherfucker land? Where citizenship right is passed down a maternal gene). They are the fixers and we are the fixed after all. As it has been for...everish.

In France - The grass roots Gillets Jaune never went away, they were ignored as they have been by the MSM and than covided . They came out of the ‘fix’ putsch of Macrons me me me party and the standing down of the socialists last time. Turnout was abysmal and that let the little Prince sunking and his beard into the elysee and more importantly nearer to the centre of the EU to better destroy it. It didn’t succeed. Neither did the putsch in Germany - Merkel remained last time and is still slowly leaving. Their PR system at least allows the nearest thing to a representative democracy and means most voters votes count!

We all need such a system. That’s why we are never allowed it.

But the French ... they have genetic republicanism. I expect Macron will go and may even end up like Sarko, if he refuses , I look forward to the next Republic ! 5th or is it 6th? But they may yet get a surprise ‘popular’ winner in Barnier - who obviously is a true believer of the ever closer Union. In which case it should be game set and match point.

An end to centuries of trying to keep Europe Russia and Asia fragmented.

Whaddya think?

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 4 2021 0:25 utc | 88

RE: Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 2 2021 20:58 utc | 18

“The Saker may be educated on Intel and Military matters, but his bias often takes his analyses way off chart. “

RE: Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 2 2021 20:58 utc | 19

“He tends to over dramatise things and every time there is tension he predicts war or some kind of escalation, perhaps since it would give him more clicks or simply because it fulfils a sense of purpose, either way, i take his input beyond the facts with a big grain of salt. “

The Saker shares most of the methodological weaknesses and emotional insecurities of those consistently fearful.

He is a useful fool though for his cult following since he offers them comfort blankets/modica of re-inforcement of self-worth, like many evangelist preachers surfing on the emotions/insecurites of others – Genesis' song “Jesus he knows me” refers.

I note you refer to “educated” rather than “knowledgeable” in respect of “Intel and Military matters” without specifying where and how he was “educated”.

Some are of the view that the difference between The Washington Post/New York Times and The Saker is that sometimes The Washington Times/New York Times misrepresent by design whilst almost always The Saker misrepresents by default.

His recent foray into interpretation/pre-mastication of Mr. Putin address to the Valdai meeting – with lack of the question and answer session where-in Mr. Putin sought to clarify points of his speech himself – gave rise to laughter in some quarters.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 4 2021 11:13 utc | 89

RE: Posted by: augusto | Nov 3 2021 16:58 utc | 79

“ I figure their discrepancies over the inevitability of a war UkiexRussia are rather a simple matter of interpretation and conceptual expansion only. “

To interpret a reasonable validated datastream is required, to believe is to avoid effort in attaining a reasonable validated datastream.

Although becoming increasingly apparent to some, others share with “The Saker” lack of facilities to aquire a reasonable validated datastream which to interpret.

Hence “The Saker” misrepresents by default as a function of levels of ignorance in almost all matters requiring analytical rigour, with the possible exception of sausages like the former Stasi whose gluttony gave rise to unexpected consequences, being guided by Mr. Rove's observation that “You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you should concentrate on” whilst “censoring” the others.

This attempt at “censoring” illustrates “The Saker's” ignorance of “The Surveillance State” where everything is published/recorded on broadcast/transmission.

“The saker did not say but may have inplied that such a war is of interest to kiev but yes, it sure is to the West “

“The Saker” is consistent in reliance on implying as a function of levels of ignorance, which includes but is not restricted to “kiev” and “The West”.

If you were in Russia in 1994, "The Saker" is akin to MMM and Mr. Mavrodi with the educational potential to educate others on implosion - a typre of aversion therapy.

If you were in Chile between 1971 and 1974, "The Saker" is akin to MIR and Mr. Allende - their hubris may become detrimental to the continued well-being of others so mesmerised including but not restricted to The Condor programme.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 4 2021 12:03 utc | 90

"Today the Ukrainian defense minister Andriy Taran suddenly resigned. No reasons were given. Did he receive orders he did not like?"

Look for Dmitro Iaroch.

Posted by: Olivier1973 | Nov 4 2021 12:30 utc | 91

Attributing "experience" to Joe Biden is fine if refering to taking orders from his paymasters. But assuming he has any sway over foreign policy - let alone basic cognitive ability- is ridiculous. His demetia has advanced to the point where he needs constant management and even then he can't remember where he is or who he is talking to. On his best day Biden was the Senator from the credit card companies and a steadfast promoter of war and military misadventures.

Which essentially makes him a perfect puppet, unlike Trump - who thought he actually had power, and Obama - who knew from the start that there was little that he could do.

Posted by: X-man | Nov 4 2021 17:01 utc | 92

The US sub was possibly spying 150 km from a major Chinese submarine base, or so it is now claimed. This is probably a "half-truth" to hide something else. ie. that the submarine was in fact a lot closer to the Chinese mainland and base. It could have been running without using sonar, to enable it to hide, using "maps" created by an Australian group and dead-reckoning. In which case the Chinese interest is normal, and even crucial for them.
Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 2 2021 20:08 utc | 11

Wherever the sub was at time of collision, it became known to others bc it had to surface right there and then. The bow section of the ballast tanks as well as the sonar equipment suffered catastrophic damages. The sub was forced to give away its position and abort the mission immediately. I doubt the Chinese didn’t spot it and tracked it, if as alleged, it was way closer to Chinese coast and/or a major Chinese sub base. The sub didn’t crash into another sub because both subs would have had to surface immediately within visual range of each other. A Russian admiral speculated that the amerikanski sub ran into an unchartered oil or gas rig which seem to proliferate in the contested waters of the SCS.

The question still unanswered is: was there a loss of containment damage in the sub’s nuclear reactor? China has voiced these concerns and has shared knowledge publicly of a follow up flight of a US Air Force “sniffer” plane that was evidently looking for radioactivity in the area where the collision occurred.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Nov 4 2021 18:59 utc | 93

RE: Grieved | Nov 3 2021 3:34 utc | 48

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the Saker.

It may be that you have never dragged yourself through one of his nearly endless, doggedly detailed accounts of what Orthodox archbishop so-and-so said in 1363, and what bishop so-and-so did in 1636, and so on, and on, and on, in his attempt to prove to the reader that Russian Orthodox is the only “genuine” religion.

And I’m guessing that you never read his 6,000 word tangled and rambling screed in which he attempted to do two things at once:

(1) convince his readers to hate all gay people, and
(2) convince his readers that he’s not a bigot.

He did not succeed.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 5 2021 1:01 utc | 94

@94 AntiSpin - "It may be that you have never dragged yourself through one of his..."

You are correct. It is not my purpose to read people in order to disagree with them. It is my purpose to read people who offer me things that make sense to me.

One approach is the path to knowledge, perhaps even informed by wisdom.

The other approach is pointless, unless reinforcing one's prevailing attitude is the goal.

I leave it to you to decide which is which.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 5 2021 3:37 utc | 95

RE: Posted by: Grieved | Nov 5 2021 3:37 utc | 95

"It is my purpose to read people who offer me things that make sense to me."

Thank you for your recognition of a component of why "The Saker" and others attract an audience/cult and his/their role/requirement to limit the perception of others to "things that make sense to me"

"It is not my purpose to read people in order to disagree with them."

The sentence above facilitates further limitation of perception since by not reading what some people have written you are not afforded the opportunity of "interpreting" what they wrote in order to determine whether or not you "disagree" with them.

You outline an increasing trend in, and purpose of, "Western media"


Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 5 2021 8:35 utc | 96

@72
Uneducated, ‘gene modification’ commenters are infesting this site too. One can be critical of Pfizer but such nonsense is undermining all valid critique.

Posted by: RJB | Nov 5 2021 12:19 utc | 97

I skip the Sakers musings about Orthodox Christianity and the Papists. However, his military analysis is always interesting and reasonable.
On the other hand publicizing personal animosity by MagdaTam on this site is totally uninteresting and lowers the quality of the comment section.
It seems that all dissident sites, Greenwald, Taibbi suffer from crank commenters coming with their own agendas.

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