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November 16, 2021

U.S. Follow Up On Positive Summit Talks Is A Boycott Of China's Olympics

Yesterday China's President Xi Jinping and U.S. President Joe Biden held a virtual summit.

It was the U.S. side which had initiated the event. The expectations were low, the outcome was meager:

The virtual meeting between President Biden and China’s leader, Xi Jinping, produced no breakthroughs in a relationship that has spiraled dangerously downward. That was not the intent.

Instead, the two leaders sought to keep the many disputes between the two countries from escalating into a broader conflict. If they can translate their words into a kind of détente, it would count as a diplomatic success.
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At the end of three and a half hours of talks, the two did not even cobble together the sort of joint statement that has typically punctuated summits between the United States and China over the decades. Mr. Xi’s last meeting with an American president, Donald J. Trump in 2019, also ended with no joint statement, marking the deterioration in ties.
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“We were not expecting a breakthrough,” a senior administration official told reporters shortly after the talks with Mr. Xi ended. “There were none.”
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Administration officials declined to discuss what was said about the nuclear buildup, beyond a vague statement that Mr. Biden “underscored the importance of managing strategic risks.”

Other topics that analysts thought would come up did not, according to the senior administration official. They included disputes over granting visas for diplomats, journalists and others, as well as a possible invitation to attend the Winter Olympics in Beijing in February.

The Chinese analysis of the event in form of a Global Times editorial was a tad more optimistic:

The virtual meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and US President Joe Biden was held on Tuesday morning Beijing time. The readouts released by the two sides are both relatively positive. The world has seen how Chinese and US leaders frankly discuss strategic, overall and fundamental issues between China and the US, as well as issues of mutual concern. The wordings in their readouts have catered to the feelings of the other side. The readout of the US side did not use tough words as it had used before the meeting. The meeting will play an active role in leading international opinion for their positive expectations toward China-US relations.

However, the editorial also warned that while the U.S. is often positive at such events its tends to not follow through:

It is most important for both countries to implement the consensus spirit of this summit and respond with constructive moves in various spheres. There is worry that though the two leaders had a good talk, but the momentum cannot be relayed to key areas of the bilateral ties. After a brief period, the positive atmosphere will be exhausted by new and existing frictions.

We have had some sharp lessons, and the US is generally the side to blame. For example, the US often released confrontational messages soon after important phone calls or meetings between Chinese and US heads of state are held.

The editors of the Global Times will thus not be surprised by the Biden administration's immediate follow up to the 'relatively positive' talks:

With the Beijing Winter Olympics just three months away, the Biden administration will soon have to make clear whether it plans to send an official delegation to China. But sooner rather than later, according to several sources familiar with the plans, the White House is expected to announce that neither President Biden nor any other U.S. government officials will attend the Beijing Games. This diplomatic boycott is intended, the sources say, as a way to respond to the Chinese government’s human rights abuses without impacting U.S. athletes.

Although the administration technically has not finalized this decision, a formal recommendation has been made to the president and he is expected to approve it before the end of the month, administration sources confirmed.

One might concluded that Biden was pissed off for not receiving the expected formal invitation to attend the Beijing games and therefore decided to boycott them.

But I rather believe that the Chinese side knew that the boycott was coming. A formal invitation that would be have been rejected would be a bigger loss of face than not inviting Biden at all.

Joe Biden's foreign policy is a 'more of the same' one as under the Trump administration. It is formed by an establishment that is unable to correct its errors. It is delusional and destined to fail.

Hopefully not catastrophically.

Posted by b on November 16, 2021 at 17:58 UTC | Permalink

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Joe Biden's foreign policy is a 'more of the same' one as under the Trump administration. It is formed by an establishment that is unable to correct its errors. It is delusional and destined to fail.

"Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss".


Biden, of course, also suffers from the delusion that he won the 2020 primary, and that Obama's policies had nothing to do with Trump coming close enough to beating HRC (who also had to have her primary win arranged) in 2016 that fraudulent voting counting in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin could give the "win" of the Electoral College to Trump in Nov. 2016.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 16 2021 18:55 utc | 1

Perhaps Beijing should have invited Biden or the US Secretary of State at least. Might it not be an even bigger loss of face for the US President or his most senior diplomat to decline the invitation, or to accept it and then decline later?

Posted by: Jen | Nov 16 2021 18:56 utc | 2

China noticed the US strategy of outspending the USSR in the cold war arms race succeeded in sending the USSR broke. The USSR simply couldn't compete financially.

The eastern European vassal states cost more than they could contribute to the USSR and eventually broke away.

China has also noticed the grotesque political/financial, tail wags the dog, relationship between the Bandit State and the US has its own internal contradictions for the wellbeing of US domestic polity. This is unsustainable in the long run.

Eventually the empires vassal states, one by one, will similarly see little cost/ benefit by continuing the one sided US relationship.

The US is unlikely to reform itself. China knows it can wait, time is on its side.

Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2021 19:11 utc | 3

The proof of the meeting will be how Taiwan is handled going forward. If Biden and his crew keep pushing for Taiwan independence then I think China will escalate their response....and it won't take long.

And China will tell Biden to go read his notes from this meeting where they told him point blank....back off the Taiwan independence BS!!!

Interesting times....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2021 19:16 utc | 4

the last time China hosted games didn't turn out so well.
Maybe this is a good thing

Posted by: ld | Nov 16 2021 19:24 utc | 5

Maybe the US donor class also don’t want Old Joe soiling his drawers while in the bleachers at the Olympics?

Posted by: DougDiggler | Nov 16 2021 19:25 utc | 6

No corroboration of this planned official boycott by anyone other than chief shitstirrer Rogin himself, so this may just be another attempt by blob media to constrain Biden’s possible moves after even the slightest sign of communication. And it must be acknowledged how effective the fourth estate is in doing so. After the last Biden-Xi phone call which at least didn’t end in total ignominy like other lower level US-China diplomatic exchanges, WSJ promptly ran the US-troops-in-Taiwan expose, which forced Biden’s admin to acknowledge it and send US-China relations further into the freezer.

Posted by: J D | Nov 16 2021 19:29 utc | 7

No U.S. flags, athletes wear rainbow masks, U.S. National anthem replaced with this. Let's Go, Brandon!

Posted by: par4 | Nov 16 2021 19:41 utc | 8

ld @5: "the last time China hosted games didn't turn out so well."

Really? I was under the impression that the 2008 Summer Olympics was a great success.

Unless you are talking about the Military World Games in Wuhan in 2019? I'm sure the Chinese have been keeping their eyes on all American visitors since then and are ready to take immediate action on any that seem to be displaying unusual interest in door knobs and hand rails.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2021 19:42 utc | 9

It seems to me that it is useless to listen to what amerikkka says. All should just pay attention to what it actually does and prepare/respond accordingly.

If I understand it correctly, this meeting was upon amerikkkan request. China looked cool to the idea of the meetup. And I couldn't fathom why China would agree to this meeting, especially that amerikkka did not complete the whole homework on the lists that it got in Tianjing in July.

As for Taiwan, it's like the "rule-based" order. The meaning of words are not the meaning of the words, it is what amerikkka wants the meaning to be. So amerikkka has de facto changed its one-China policy by its actions. Saying it does not make so. Both amerikkka and DPP of Taiwan know their days are numbered with respect to Taiwan. And that is why there are so many arm sales in Tsai's years, especially in the past 2 and coming years.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Nov 16 2021 19:59 utc | 10

the 2008 Olympics showcased awesome feats of collective discipline, cohesion, and coordination -- symbolic instantiations of the power of chinese party and state. the venues also impressed with the capacity to build infrastructure, a theme that continues to the present day. as spectacle, 2008 announced china's place on the world stage.

the upcoming Olympics, based on what the global times has said, will prominently feature robots and other advanced technologies, signalling china's shift away from just being the factory of the world to being at the forefront of an industrial revolution. if that message is successful, then the US attempt to marshall 'allies' to contain china will be further diminished. it is no wonder that the US wants to undercut the Beijing Olympics as much as possible. that plan has been in the works for a long time now. the signs were evident even months ago.

Posted by: mastameta | Nov 16 2021 20:06 utc | 11

I posted my primary comment on the Summit and news links on the week in review thread. I would just add that the outcome proves yet again that the Outlaw US Empire is not agreement capable, which Xi knew going in and is why he addressed the Donor Class that pulls Biden's strings.

At some point in the future, those within the collapsed Outlaw US Empire will wish for the Win-Win peaceful coexistence with China and Eurasia that Xi proposed as that would stave-off the impending collapse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 20:09 utc | 12

"Joe Biden's foreign policy is a 'more of the same' one as under the Trump administration. It is formed by an establishment that is unable to correct its errors. It is delusional and destined to fail."

exactly as I been saying. There IS NO difference between a Republican or a Democratic rule.

"Hopefully not catastrophically."
Yes, it WILL be catastrophic. After US tries ever5ything in its power to stop the advance of China, they will conclude the ONLY thing left for them is to start a WWIII because of spite. If they cannot rule the world, NOBODY else will.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Nov 16 2021 20:24 utc | 13

Oh. Are we still pretending Joe Biden thinks for himself?

Posted by: Jezabeel | Nov 16 2021 20:26 utc | 14

Let's address the elephant in the room: the USA simply cannot fathom the possibility it will ever surrender or even give an inch of territory to a Marxist superpower. If it was another capitalist superpower (e.g. Modi's fascist India, Yeltsinite Russia), the Americans would gracefully embrace their new overlords and pass the crown with gusto.

Biden must've weaken up today and seen this text:

Full Text: Resolution of the CPC Central Committee on the Major Achievements and Historical Experience of the Party over the Past Century

His blood must've immediately boiled and he essentially threw away everything he said in his meeting with Xi Jinping.

It's important to remember that fighting Marxism is official CIA policy - it's been known from leaked sources since the 1950s. I'm not reinventing the wheel here.

Posted by: vk | Nov 16 2021 20:54 utc | 15

Xi should invite Biden to stay in the Wuhan International Hotel (you know, the one quite close to the infamous 'wet market', where the USA contestants to the 2019 Wuhan edition of the Military World Games stayed. Then hire a few classy Chinese hookers to shower creepy Joe with gold on the bed that Maatje Benassi slept in.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 16 2021 21:19 utc | 16

Bad Scenario

Murican BioWeaps/PharmaVaxx/NIH/CIA might release new sets of SARS-COV2 Variants from Humans+Mammals around the World at the Olympics- as a "Screw Job" meant to Antagonize CHN as a Whole.

Another Calendar Year of Lockdowns + New Rounds of Vaxx...

Biden+Harris' Ratings STINK, NO ONE wants Harris to replace Biden to become POTUS, and DNC want to continue Rigging Election through 2022 and 2024. Once Biden or Designated Replacement win in 2024, they'll keep Rigging Elections until the Reds Secede or get Flipped Blue...

Posted by: IronForge | Nov 16 2021 21:52 utc | 17

psychohistorian #4

The Global Times today reports that Biden reiterated US policy that the US does NOT support Taiwan independence. This was based on statements that are not publicly available. However, Biden must have said something to Xi for the CCP to make this statement.

If so, that would be good news. It means that the biden admin doesn't want to go to war against China at the present time.

Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 16 2021 22:04 utc | 18

They're frigging Commies! They got Concentration Camps! Drop the Big One for God's sake and Make America Great Again!

Thank you.

But really shouldn't China now ban the NBA?

cheers.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 16 2021 22:05 utc | 19

@ Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 16 2021 22:04 utc | 18

The USA officially supports the One China Policy.

Posted by: vk | Nov 16 2021 22:28 utc | 20

Former Australian PM, Paul Keating, hits back at hack opinion piece by Hartcher in SMH.

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-keating-responds-to-peter-hartchers-king-canute-column/

I don't agree with everything Keating did in office, like selling the [government owned] Commonwealth Bank and 'deregulating' all the banks. This included abolishing the cash held to money loaned ratio, which was for every $100 deposited the banks could lend $650, it became open slather. Then allowing foreign banks into the [limited] market.

Keating should have known better. I remember a teenage Keating selling the Century newspaper, published by the [sacked by the governor] former, anti big bank, Premier of NSW, Jack Lang.

Lang, Keating's mentor, was then expelled from the Labor party.

Where is Max? Where is John Cleary on this colonial history?

Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2021 22:43 utc | 21

The Website of China's CPC Central Committee, QIUSHI, has a very long report in Chinese about the Summit and a very curious picture of the hall from which the Chinese side participated. The opening paragraph holds a very important set of assumptions made by China:

"xi pointed out that at present, china and the united states are at a critical stage of development, and the 'global village' of mankind is facing many challenges. as the world's top two economies and permanent members of the un security council, china and the united states should strengthen communication and cooperation, not only to do our own domestic affairs well, but also to shoulder our due international responsibilities and jointly advance the noble cause of peace and development of mankind. this is the common aspiration of china and the united states and the peoples of the world, and it is also the common mission of the leaders of china and the united states." [My Emphasis]

China assumes the Outlaw US Empire wants to uphold its "international responsibilities;" to "advance ... peace and development of mankind;" that the Outlaw US Empire shares that "common aspiration" with "the peoples of the world;" and that's the "mission" of the Empire's leaders. I have no idea where China sees the evidence for any of those assumptions whereas there's a vast amount of evidence proving otherwise. And I could go on and cite more of the same. This poses what I see as an awkward question: Does China have a realistic assessment of what the Outlaw US Empire aspires to become which reflects what it is and what its policies are for? In some cases as displayed at the Alaska meeting, the answer is yes; but as in this instance, the answer seems to be no. Or perhaps that's China's version of Strategic Ambiguity?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 22:46 utc | 22

vk #20

Yes I know. I was just pointing out that it appears that Biden explicitly reaffirmed US policy by telling Xi that his administration did not support Taiwan independence. Given some other statements coming from Biden's fools this should be reassuring.

Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 16 2021 22:54 utc | 23

China assumes the Outlaw US Empire wants to uphold its "international responsibilities;" to "advance ... peace and development of mankind;"

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 22:46 utc | 22

This is clearly an "aspirational" statement, not describing what the speaker believes as happening, but what should happen. Aspirational statements are not insulting, as American statement all too often are, but in the context, they should be understood that this is what USA should do but does not.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 16 2021 23:25 utc | 24

karlof@22, i've always assumed china paints the world she envisions in her responses. directly laying the blueprint for the future she expects to create. rather than dwell upon the errors, place the positive trend for the world & its leaders to pursue in order to guide the world through this time of deceit & oligarchic rule to one of true enlightened leadership.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Nov 17 2021 0:01 utc | 25

William Gruff @ 9:

I am thinking that LD meant the failed attempt by Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili (during the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008) to successfully occupy South Ossetia and engage Russian forces in a long drawn-out war of attrition while Washington DC congratulates him, hails him a hero and keeps promising to send in a mythical Sixth Cavalry to help him hold the evil Orcs at bay as they mow down pitifully armed teenaged Georgian draftees.

Door knobs and hand rails? Think big and spectacular - try thinking smearing water bottles and someone's underwear or blowing stuff into Mercedes Benz cars' air conditioners.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 17 2021 0:33 utc | 26

Piotr Berman @24 & emersonreturn @25--

Do please read Xi's words from the Outlaw US Empire's transcript's version, and note that English language Chinese media said Biden agreed with Xi on those points. Also I now see China as the nation doing the lecturing, also known as negotiating from a position of strength; and in this instance and others as we'll soon see, from a position of higher wisdom--Big Brother talking to Little Brother. US Primacy--if it ever actually had it--is in reality now a relic of the past. It's now only capable of controlling the corrupted, weak and feeble minded.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2021 0:41 utc | 27

Jen @26

So the empire uses the Olympics as an opportunity to do underhanded evil because it would be difficult for any coordinated reaction from adversaries while they are hosting the games? That certainly fits with my understanding of how the empire strategizes. But I think even brain-burned Americans would have a difficult time swallowing the narrative that the Russians novichoked the Chinese, whereas their esophagi are supple enough to handle ingesting a repeat narrative about viral outbreak from bad soup.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 17 2021 0:54 utc | 28

@ ToivoS | Nov 16 2021 22:54 utc | 23 who wrote
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I was just pointing out that it appears that Biden explicitly reaffirmed US policy by telling Xi that his administration did not support Taiwan independence. Given some other statements coming from Biden's fools this should be reassuring.
"

I think that "other statements coming from Biden's fools" are quite probable.

But what I have not read anything about is the military posturing backing off demands that I expect China made in support of the verbal Taiwan support of one country.......are the ships and subs going to leave the area?

I think this meeting was just the first round of public escalation messages from the countries. I think the next round of this dance will bring more of the demands/positions we are not reading about out into the open.....where will this path go?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2021 1:13 utc | 29

I think that Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics non-attendance (“boycott”) is a little overblown so far. The organisers have already agreed with the IOC that there would be no foreign public allowed, only people resident in China. That is the same as the Tokyo Games last summer. And Uncle Joe did not go to Tokyo either – only his wife went – and very few other foreign top level attended.

That statement, ATM, is probably more a “saving faces” game for the benefit of the local crowd. The Chinese read-outs same rather satisfied, the US post-summit statements have rather been subdued (nothing hysterical “bad China they don’t want to listen”).

BTW - no war in East-Asia in the next 3 years at least. The “Apple Silicon roadmap” mentions using 3nm processes for the next top-of-the-line Mx chipsets in addition to 5nm process. There are only two places in the world where they can manufacture those: Taiwan and South-Korea. See for example Apple Silicon roadmap just leaked for next MacBook Air, Mac Pro and more at Toms Guide.

Posted by: phiw13 | Nov 17 2021 2:31 utc | 30

Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2021 19:11 utc | 3


China noticed the US strategy of outspending the USSR in the cold war arms race succeeded in sending the USSR broke. The USSR simply couldn't compete financially.

I would agree with you. China is now trying to make the US spends till it breaks down just like the USSR. How ironic.

It is a rather clever strategy. It spends money on the Belt and Road and strengthening its military. The US is and will continue try to outmatch China out of pride and dominance mentality. But China's spending is going into solid no-frills improvements. The US spends its money bribing politicians and news media. On the military front it spends money on hugely inflated MIC contracts.

At the end of the day, the least benefit China gets is a greatly improve world connectivity and market for its economy, greatly improved relations with the third world, and a greatly improved military.

There is a significant chance that China will get much more than this ... a bankrupted USA and defeated foe. Not that China even wanted to be enemies with the US in the first place. Doubly ironic.

Posted by: littlereddot | Nov 17 2021 4:09 utc | 31

vk @15

Thank you for posting the link to the CPC resolution. Reading it is an education in itself.

Posted by: R | Nov 17 2021 4:30 utc | 32

the White House is expected to announce that neither President Biden nor any other U.S. government officials will attend the Beijing Games. This diplomatic boycott is intended

I hope the reason that Xi avoided inviting Biden to his games does not have to do with official language and official currency intentions, expected to be in use at the games? This does not sound good..


Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2021 6:53 utc | 33

The US decision of not sending only sports men(and women)to the Olympics but no political officials seems to have been made before the recent Xi-Biden video conference and is probably unrelated to it.

Still, like with so many other foreing policy measures of the Biden administration one wonders what exactly Washington hopes to achieve. The Olympics are supposed to be a forum where teams from different countries compete with each other in a non-hostile, respectfull manner. I can`t see what`s wrong with that. It`s also exactly what Biden claims the US-Chinese relations should be: Competitive - yes - but not outright hostile (or even violent).

Posted by: m | Nov 17 2021 8:59 utc | 35

If Xi were Brezhnev, he would probably respond by banning the US from attending the olympics on grounds of US human rights violations both domestic and foreign. Would be well justified, but incendiary. Xi of course has more wisdom.

Posted by: BM | Nov 17 2021 9:04 utc | 36

@15 -- vk | Nov 16 2021 20:54 utc

"If it was another capitalist superpower (e.g. Modi's fascist India, Yeltsinite Russia), the Americans would gracefully embrace their new overlords and pass the crown with gusto."

I think you have missed the core underlying issue here. It is not "the Americans" per se. It is the plutocratic class of transnational criminals, that are their current overlords, who are grinding their teeth. This class of "economic surplus" suckers is happy with any type of local management regime (the more authoritarian the better for efficient plantation management). What they cannot tolerate, and did not plan well for it seems in the case of Putin-Russia and Xi-China, is being denied the opportunity to corrupt the local hierarchies for the usual syphon-off 'empire' benefits.

And my comment/observation does not necessarily imply that Russia and China do not have highly powerful criminal elites. It is just that the top tier is run by a government system somewhat accountable to the people (e.g., Putin @ around 66% popularity, and China with more than 95 million members of the CCP in which some form of democrative process exists). In contrast, the USA is run by a class of criminals that largely feed themselves from the never ending Fed printing press and pay off their 'small government' representitives by various abc-xzy-complex systems.

It is this class that Putin knuckled in post-Yeltsin Russia and Xi deflated (e.g., in the form of Jack Ma) in China that is squeeling. And that (as a comparative case study x2) is the rub that chaffs the American (and to some extent European) elites. They expect to run the governments for themselves -- where-ever, when-ever, and what-ever the local context -- not the other way round.

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2021 9:06 utc | 37

... and I forgot to add at #37: There are only around 133 million registered voters in the USA and only one (Business) Party (with two team colors for mass entertainment/distraction value).

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2021 9:11 utc | 38

Joe Biden's foreign policy is a 'more of the same'

It's just as apt to write.
"more of the inane"

Given everything since the rush out of Afghanistan.

Posted by: JPC | Nov 17 2021 9:25 utc | 39

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2021 0:41 utc | 27 -- "I now see China as the nation doing the lecturing, also known as negotiating from a position of strength.... and.... we'll soon see, from a position of higher wisdom--Big Brother talking to Little Brother."

People with no personal strength like Blinkin' Blink'n like to say they speak from a position of strength. I have never seen his opposite numbers, Lavrov, nor Wang Yi, claim to speak from strength. Same goes for Putin nor Xi. Each of them simply just speak. Period.

As for wisdom, how does a shallow people like the US ever match up to the millenia-old civilisational states such as Russia or China or Iran? People living outside the US can clearly see how hollow America is as a culture, but Americans, especially those you call 'the corrupted, weak and feeble minded' continue to think they are the centre of the universe, believing that being willing and ready to drop nuclear bombs on others actually gives them wisdom to rule the world. LOL

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 17 2021 9:43 utc | 40

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 17 2021 0:54 utc | 28 -- "But I think even brain-burned Americans would have a difficult time swallowing the narrative that the Russians novichoked the Chinese, whereas their esophagi are supple enough to handle ingesting a repeat narrative about viral outbreak from bad soup."

That brought a chuckle.

I like your choice of wording in 'bad soup.'

Better than the obvious 'bat soup.'

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 17 2021 9:49 utc | 41

In some cases as displayed at the Alaska meeting, the answer is yes; but as in this instance, the answer seems to be no. Or perhaps that's China's version of Strategic Ambiguity?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 22:46 utc | 22

I would say it's just some grandstanding to keep the moral high ground and let their own know that it's the US who drops the ball, not them.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 17 2021 9:58 utc | 42

phiw13 @30: "I think that Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics non-attendance (“boycott”) is a little overblown so far."

Sure, but you have to know the imperial establishment wanted to overblow it a lot more. Overreaction and hysteria is how American culture rolls these days. The US of today thrives on childish playground taunts and snubs, particularly given the shift among a large portion of the western population to blowing simple verbal offenses far out of proportion and into ridiculous hysterical extremes of "emotional genocide" and the like. They think their snubs would really still work against a people who now view America as having a society dominated by ludicrously silly "baizuo" (白左).

Basically, the Americans were not invited because they are arrogantly boorish assholes. They would piss in the punch bowl and then become loudly butthurt over everyone refusing to drink the punch.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 17 2021 10:09 utc | 43

Posted by: littlereddot | Nov 17 2021 4:09 utc | 31 -- "It (China) spends money on the Belt and Road.... China's spending is going into solid no-frills improvements..... At the end of the day, the least benefit China gets is a greatly improve world connectivity and market for its economy, greatly improved relations with the third world...."

Agreed.

A huge part of the rapid growth of the US came from their rapid construction of their rail network across the North American continent (and triply ironic, using Chinese slave labour).

What China is doing now is to foster a network of networks using rail, road, 5G, sea lanes, co-opting partners whenever available, eg. Russia, Pakistan, Iran, ASEAN, et al. The network is so large that it cannot be built all at once, and so, even when a partner or two should temporarily stumble (colour revolution, anyone?), other parts of the network can continue building out apace.

Much of the lands traversed by the BRI has been bypassed by modernity for eons. The gains in connectivity, and hence, productivity, brought on by China's initiative will be well-appreciated.

China is showing the world a new way.

It does not have ot be capitalism or communism. It does not have to be democracy or facism.

It all has to do with governance: governing by the people for the people.

Not governing by the elite for the elite.

This is where the US is fighting their existential battle, whether they admit it or not. And pathetically, whether they know it or not.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 17 2021 10:13 utc | 44

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2021 9:06 utc | 37 -- ".... the American (and to some extent European) elites.... expect to run the governments for themselves -- where-ever, when-ever, and what-ever the local context -- not the other way round."

Thank you!!!! Your entire post is excellently astute observation.

Good governance is what the world needs.

Governance by the people for the people.

Not governance by the elite for the elite.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 17 2021 10:22 utc | 45


They would piss in the punch bowl and then become loudly butthurt over everyone refusing to drink the punch.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 17 2021 10:09 utc | 43

They would mandate ingestion.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 17 2021 12:36 utc | 46

@kiwiklown | Nov 17 2021 9:43 utc | 40

People with no personal strength like Blinkin' Blink'n like to say they speak from a position of strength. I have never seen his opposite numbers, Lavrov, nor Wang Yi, claim to speak from strength. Same goes for Putin nor Xi. Each of them simply just speak. Period.

True, but in Anchorage in March 2021, where Yang Jiechi and Wang Yi met Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, Yang Jiechi told the US that it "was not qualified to talk from a position of strength".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLPzoLVKXA

https://www.c-span.org/video/?510091-1/secretary-blinken-chinese-foreign-minister-clash-meeting-anchorage-alaska

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 17 2021 12:49 utc | 47

RE: Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2021 19:11 utc | 3


“China noticed the US strategy of outspending the USSR in the cold war arms race succeeded in sending the USSR broke.”

Immersion in unicausality is a mirror of monopolarity, whom some believe is “evidence” of hegemony.

Your first quotation above is a myth widely ingested.

“The eastern European vassal states cost more than they could contribute to the USSR and eventually broke away. “

Your second quotation above, except for its closing phrase “broke away” to describe mutual interaction, is more relevent – the saga of nationalism and the “near abroad” where Mr. Gorbachev and Mr. Shevernadze tried to act as intransigent “tough guys” in Zonikai, Vilnius and elsewhere, whilst some who understood that nationalism was a barrier to transcendence, distributed various “laxatives” in/to the “near abroad” to aid “cleansing”.

“The US is unlikely to reform itself. “ which aided/aids the Russian Federation's ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” and the coercive social relations self-misrepresented as “The United States of America”, the prime agents in this lateral process always being those “locals” who implemented strategies in facilitation.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 17 2021 12:49 utc | 48

The Russians and Chinese just talk to the Americans just to listen. They know any agreements they make are not worth the paper they are written on. They just keep them on file in case they can use the agreements for negative hypocrisy PR.

Posted by: Kaiama | Nov 17 2021 13:10 utc | 49

Posted by: IronForge | Nov 16 2021 21:52 utc | 17

"DNC want to continue Rigging Election through 2022 and 2024. Once Biden or Designated Replacement win in 2024, they'll keep Rigging Elections until the Reds Secede or get Flipped Blue..."

I think the inconvenient fact of republican election fraud in years gone by may be the pachyderm in the room.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 17 2021 14:08 utc | 50

All US athletes will attend the Winter Olympics. Only politicians will boycott.

What if it were a rule that no politicians or government officials are ever allowed inside any Olympic grounds? Wouldn't that be a good thing and in the people's Olympic spirit, not the propagandistic 'US vs China vs Russia' vibe at least we Americans get fed now?

Posted by: fairleft | Nov 17 2021 14:15 utc | 51

@ Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2021 6:53 utc | 33

The diplomatic boycott is old news. It was first publicly proposed by Nancy Pelosi, I think in January, when the Tokyo Olympics happened.

What I thought the author of this blog meant was that the USA would boycott the Olympics with its athletes, too. That would be interesting, because the USA only did that once, in Moscow 1980 (it did not boycott the Berlin 1936 Olympics). Symbolically, that would indicate the USA is willing to equate China to the Soviet Union - so far, the only nation in History the Americans ever respected as true equals (not considering the British Empire, when the USA was still in its embryonic stage).

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2021 14:49 utc | 52

Both superpowers want to prevent the confrontation “escalating into a broader conflict”, which will happen if they do not recognize the pattern of history, that every empire in history eventually gets the war it seeks to avoid. Both nations want to avoid World War Three: but that is the collision course they are on.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/


Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Nov 17 2021 15:04 utc | 53

@fairleft | Nov 17 2021 14:15 utc | 51

Agreed, that would be a good thing. But the 'Olympics' has been hopelessly politicized and should be abolished totally. As usual, we can expect some bad political event coinciding in time with the 'Winter Olympics' in China.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 17 2021 15:17 utc | 54

RE: Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2021 22:43 utc | 21

Adding to Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 17 2021 12:49 utc | 48

““China noticed the US strategy of outspending the USSR in the cold war arms race succeeded in sending the USSR broke.”

Immersion in unicausality is a mirror of monopolarity, whom some believe is “evidence” of hegemony.

Your first quotation above is a myth widely ingested.”

They even made a television mini-series about it with the CIA as “technical advisers”, but made the “bad guy” a Russian and the activity an attempt to destroy the US dollar, which was unsucessful due to efforts of some CIA agents who had taken time off from torturing at arms length, and wrapped up with an agent of the KGB finding his “soul mate” who was sent to the Gulag many years previously, and walking into the sunset together.

In English it was called “The Company”, still available through Amazon.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 17 2021 16:00 utc | 55

OT:

Oh, how I used to love this blog. So full of insight and intellectual integrity - until it went full Orwell in all things SARS-CoV-2, including uncritically parroting government propaganda, suppressing dissent, etc.. The clearly fascist policies being rolled out under the fog of the War on Covid should be one, if not the major topic here, after all, theses policies will have much, MUCH more impact on the near- and medium term future of us all than almost anything else that's being published and discussed here.

That said, I was wondering, will the author, at some point, show the same intellectual rigour regarding Covid policies as it does regarding other political/geo-strategical issues? A good starting point would be a revisitation of this post here:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/why-you-should-get-vaccinated-but-dont-need-a-third-shot.html

Posted by: Protagonist | Nov 17 2021 16:04 utc | 56

@Protagonist | Nov 17 2021 16:04 utc | 56

+100

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 17 2021 16:07 utc | 57

So Biden has said the US will boycott the 2022 Beijing Olympic games, so what, still its the athletes who've trained for years that I feel sorry for, no doubt the 51st, the ever obedient UK will follow suit and boycott the games as well, lets see what the EU nations do.

I read somewhere that the three and a half our virtual meeting focused mainly on Taiwan, and the 1979 Taiwan Act.

The 1979 law governs relations between the US and the island, which China considers part of its sovereign territory but which has been ruled by the exiled nationalists since 1949, after the Communists defeated them in the Chinese civil war.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2021 16:14 utc | 58

Keeping politicans away from the Olympics seems like a good idea to me. Maybe we could get the corporations to stay out of them too...

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 17 2021 16:18 utc | 59

thanks b... i guess when the idea of financial sanctions runs dry, an idea of 'diplomatic boycott' is next.... creative genius's at usa state dept on full display!

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2021 16:58 utc | 60

2022 Beijing Winter Games...will the largest country on the planet, without name, flag or anthem, be in attendance. Oh, oh, the US won't boycott the games, they'll make the IOC ban China's, flag, name and anthem....and allow them to perform as Hong Konglanders.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 17 2021 17:30 utc | 61

"Joe Biden's foreign policy is a 'more of the same' one as under the Trump administration. It is formed by an establishment that is unable to correct its errors. It is delusional and destined to fail."

Let's not forget oBOMBa's 'pivot to Asia'. As if presidents actually have control of foreign policy. In 1997 The Project For A New American Century set the agenda that is being followed to the letter.

Posted by: Black Cloud | Nov 17 2021 17:55 utc | 62

As I dig further into the writings available at Qiushi Journal, I discovered one from the 15th by China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi, "Aspiring Toward National Rejuvenation and Focusing on Humanity's Future", whose content's explained as follows:

"The speech delivered by General Secretary Xi Jinping at the ceremony marking the centenary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) is a key text with Marxist truth that reflects CPC's determination to bring about national rejuvenation and concern for the future of humanity. It serves as a political program for the Party's pursuit of its founding mission in the new era, guiding the whole Party and the entire nation in pushing ahead on a new journey while at the same time never forgetting the path that brought us here. It is also a declaration to the world that the CPC is devoted to global peace and development and to human progress. The speech demonstrates Xi Jinping's outstanding political wisdom, strong sense of mission, and breadth of vision as a Marxist statesman, thinker and strategist, has great theoretical and historical significance as well as deep international influence, and will undoubtedly be remembered for its contributions to the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and the development of human society.

I

"The past century has witnessed the CPC open a distinctive path while enduring bitter hardships. As noted by Xi Jinping, 'The Communist Party of China strives for both the wellbeing of the Chinese people and human progress. To make new and greater contributions for mankind is our Party's abiding mission.' On the historic occasion of CPC's centenary, Xi Jinping said, 'As we put conscious effort into learning from history to create a bright future...we must continue working to promote the building of a global community of shared future.' He also elaborated upon the rich meaning behind this concept as well as its basic principles and the methods for making it a reality, setting the tone for China's major country diplomacy on our journey ahead." [My Emphasis]

In essence, Yi's essay is his effort to put Xi's Manifesto into more understandable terms for China's external audience--us--and for the diplomatic corp that he leads. As you read you'll quickly discover that Xi's China is extremely serious in using China's development as a method to pull all humanity up by its bootstraps, which goes well beyond the Anglo projection of itself providing an exemplary example to follow, and is why Anglo elites are so troubled. China's saying, We'll go beyond setting an example; we'll actively help all humanity achieve a moderate prosperity. And that means a leveling--equitability--on a global scale, which is anathema to Anglo elites as such an outcome signals an end to the 4,000+ yearlong Class War of which they're the current beneficiaries.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2021 18:21 utc | 63

Thanks for this examination of the talks, b. On reading further and wanting to remain positive, I will just add that I think it probable, given all practical considerations, that Biden no longer can travel. Also, whatever reasons given, that seems a good idea for populations in general at present.

Stay home. Watch on tv. The athletes only should be the ones in closer proximity, and all measures should be taken to have them in as much safety as possible. Then they would be enjoyable for all.

A virtual Olympics would be a sensible observance.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 17 2021 18:40 utc | 64

Out of curiosity, ayone know how many countries the US sanctions? Wikipedia says it's 29, but that number hasn't been updated recently.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 17 2021 19:19 utc | 65

Fowdy's on the mark with this effort, "Who says China’s hardline diplomacy is doomed to fail? It’s working on the EU", that completely overturns BigLie Media's attempt to portray reality otherwise:

"The mainstream media underestimate China by pretending it can simply be placed in a box and isolated like a small-scale US adversary such as North Korea. But this is not the case. As of this year, China’s GDP is larger than the European Union’s, and while the latter’s economy is stagnating, China continues to grow. Such coverage is so intent on focusing on China’s potential failure that it overlooks Beijing’s ability to enforce its will.

"The geopolitical reality for Europe – on national and institutional levels – is that pursuing greater ties with Taipei is a non-starter with few cost-benefit gains. We aren’t getting a good faith argument if we are to pretend the desire of a gang of MEPs is somehow evidence to the contrary or signs of a monumental shift in policy."

The EU's in for a very rude awakening if it continues to shun Russia and China. Some including myself try to remind Europeans that they reside in what amounts to a small peninsula attached to the Eurasian continent. But it appears a certain cadre of MEPs are paid to be blind and ignorant to reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2021 19:28 utc | 66


william G at #43, I hear you loud and clear. Good one!!

"....Basically, the Americans were not invited because they are arrogantly boorish assholes. They would piss in the punch bowl and then become loudly butthurt over everyone refusing to drink the punch...."


lmao!!!! hahahaha

the arrogance and overweening pride of Empire is one of the reasons why great Empires fall - somehow they fail to learn (much/enough) from their experience, as vast as it is or should be - and I suspect that is due to both pride and greed, which tend to blind the eyes and the heart.

the USA is no exception to the rules of History, and its Empire will fall, it is falling; since the Vietnam war, as far as I am personally concerned.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 17 2021 19:40 utc | 67

Out of curiosity, ayone know how many countries the US sanctions? Wikipedia says it's 29, but that number hasn't been updated recently.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 17 2021 19:19 utc | 65

I saw 35 or 36 lately, western source. Do for spitball number.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 17 2021 20:18 utc | 68

Of course that a full boycott (with the American athletes) is most likely out of the cards. Only a diplomatic boycott is being ventilated (mainly, I guess, because it is personally backed up by no other than Nancy Pelosi herself).

NBC has already signed a multi-billion contract for the broadcast of the Beijing Winter Olympics of 2022. Unless the USG is willing to make another massive bailout - for some symbolic, cheap political move - I don't see a full-fledged American boycott.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2021 20:51 utc | 69

"Xi pointed out that at present, China and the United States are at a critical stage of development, and the 'global village' of mankind is facing many challenges. as the world's top two economies and permanent members of the un security council,

China and the United States should strengthen communication and cooperation, not only to do our own domestic affairs well, but also to shoulder our due international responsibilities and jointly advance the noble cause of peace and development of mankind. this is the common aspiration of China and the United States and the peoples of the world, and it is also the common mission of the leaders of China and the United States." from The Website of China's CPC Central Committee, QIUSHI

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 22:46 utc | 22

Is Xi able to perceive a tiny Uncle Sam chipping at the roots of US barbarism?

Posted by: Guerrero | Nov 17 2021 21:06 utc | 70

Since when is the USA even welcome at civilized global sporting events.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 17 2021 21:40 utc | 71

Guerrero @70--

Thanks for your reply! I think Xi is more likely to see Uncle Sam engaged as depicted in this political cartoon. I highly suggest reading Wang Yi's essay I linked @63. All three essays related to what Pepe Escobar deemed Xi's Manifesto can be read at my VK Space, which can be found by clicking on my hyperlinked name.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2021 22:26 utc | 72

RE: karlof1 | Nov 16 2021 22:46 utc | 22

Definitely NOT of earth-shaking importance, but anyone following karlof1's link in the above post should notice that Biden's image at the top of the linked document has been SERIOUSLY retouched, while that of Xi appears to be normal.

Is there no truth at all in this administration . . ?

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 17 2021 22:29 utc | 73

@43 William Gruff | Nov 17 2021 10:09 utc

"Basically, the Americans were not invited because they are arrogantly boorish assholes."

The last time they attended a 'sporting' competition in China the world developed a "bat-???-human" virus pandemic. Wet markets aside, perhaps the risk is just considered too high by the host country (and others)?

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2021 22:53 utc | 74

@83 karlof1 - 'To make new and greater contributions for mankind is our Party's abiding mission.'

I've mentioned this before but when I started reading Sun Yat-sen's very earliest writings from the beginning years of the last century, I was amazed at his thought that China's huge population must surely exist as a gift to the world from Providence (or whatever word one prefers).

He wrote of the industriousness and ingenuity of the Chinese people, and how it comprised an overflowing wealth that could serve all of the world. He wrote this when China's population was only 400 million, still the largest in the world by far, but greatly reduced and enfeebled by the Century of Humiliation - and China had yet to throw off the shackles of imperialism. And yet he could think that thought.

I've wondered ever since, and never found out, to what extent this thought exists as part of Chinese culture, and what part was his own thought.

Either way, It's brilliant to see it hard-wired into the CPC's policy.

China will benefit the world in many ways. Even the US, when finally quiescent in its fallen state, will benefit - and I personally suspect that China will offer help without any rancor. I've said before that I look to China to solve sustainability, and she will do it for the whole world without ever stopping to think whether to share or not.

~~

Those who cavil that some of us at MoA seem to regard China as flawless would do well to grasp the scale on which China's action in the world will shatter the ten thousand paradigms of the old colonial way of plunder and despoliation. It's easy to forgive any blemishes when such a change is looming.

In case it wasn't clear, count me as a fan.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 18 2021 1:27 utc | 75

that's @63 of course

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 18 2021 1:28 utc | 76

Re: peter mcloughlin | Nov 17 2021 15:04 utc | 53

If you attempt to go to the website you get a warning of potential malicious site. This seems to be only a web programming error. If you are interested in the site, instead of that link just go to ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com

This is the same site but with the www removed, which seems to be what the redirect to a https failed for. It does two redirects instead of one. First it redirects to a non www url and then to a security certificate address (https)

Removing the www yourself simply bypasses the redirects which were causing the browser to have a conniption fit.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Nov 18 2021 3:22 utc | 77

Paul #21

Thank you for the link to the Keating statement in Pearls and Irritations. He remains in fine style. The spineless SMH refused to publish it! Typical.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2021 10:13 utc | 78

kiwiklown #44

A huge part of the rapid growth of the US came from their rapid construction of their rail network across the North American continent (and triply ironic, using Chinese slave labour).

Exactly, and the US has barely lifted a finger to maintain their rail since as evidenced here.

I also note the extensive use of wooden rail ties or sleepers as they are sometimes called. Most countries replaced them with cement over the past decades. No wonder the container movements around the nation are so slow and ships queued up for weeks waiting to get to port.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2021 10:49 utc | 79

"China is now trying to make the US spends till it breaks down just like the USSR. How ironic."

Star Wars back in the day, hypersonic missiles now.

Posted by: ian | Nov 18 2021 21:19 utc | 80

Grieved @75--

Yes, I agree with what you said. As I wrote somewhere, Big Brother will point Little Brother in the proper direction, but there remain things Big Brother must master, like media relations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2021 21:57 utc | 81

I find the comments on this website intelligent, knowledgeable and far better than most. In a world where twisted truths, overblown 'facts', or just outright lies reign supreme; a breath of fresh air!

Posted by: karl luck | Nov 22 2021 5:23 utc | 82

Former South Korean military dictator Chun Doo-hwan dies at 90

Government records show the military crackdown on Gwangju resulted in the deaths of about 200 people. Activists, however, say far more civilians died.
...
The country also successfully held the 1986 Asian Games and won the rights to host the 1988 Summer Olympics, which began after he left office.

Ronnie Raygun liked him.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/211123000020-chun-doo-hwan-reagan-file-1981-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg

Posted by: Keith McClary | Nov 23 2021 21:12 utc | 83

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