Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 26, 2021

The New Virus Variant Has Lots Of Mutations - That Does Not (Yet) Mean It's 'Very Bad'

Yesterday the chief of the World Health Organzation warned about a 'false sense of security' around Covid-19 vaccines:

In a news briefing in Geneva on Wednesday, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said many vaccinated people were wrongly thinking receiving the COVID shot meant they no longer needed to take any other precautions.

“In many countries and communities, we are concerned about a false sense of security that vaccines have ended the pandemic, and that people who are vaccinated do not need to take any other precautions,” Tedros told reporters.
...
“We cannot say this clearly enough: even if you are vaccinated, continue to take precautions to prevent becoming infected yourself, and infecting someone else who could die.”

“That means wearing a mask, maintaining distance, avoiding crowds and meeting others outside if you can, or in a well-ventilated space inside.

The warning was a shot against the Biden administration which has done away with all non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI) measures. These will be again needed if the news from South Africa of a new variance of concern turns out to be as bad as it sounds:

Health Minister Joe Phaahla said the variant was linked to an “exponential rise” of cases in the last few days, although experts are still trying to determine if the new variant, named B.1.1.529, is actually responsible.

From just over 200 new confirmed cases per day in recent weeks, South Africa saw the number of new daily cases rocket to 2,465 on Thursday. Struggling to explain the sudden rise in cases, scientists studied virus samples from the outbreak and discovered the new variant.
...
It appears to have a high number of mutations — about 30 — in the coronavirus’ spike protein, which could affect how easily it spreads to people.

Sharon Peacock, who has led genetic sequencing of COVID-19 in Britain at the University of Cambridge, said the data so far suggest the new variant has mutations “consistent with enhanced transmissibility,” but said that “the significance of many of the mutations is still not known.”

A presentation by the Health Ministry of South Africa can be viewed here. The slide show at 5:10 forward is the interesting part.


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This (blue) variant seems to out-compete others very fast.

Yves Smith has a good but scary thread about the potential dangers this new variant may bring. The details she presents look pretty dire.

Then again:

Dr. Angela Rasmussen @angie_rasmussen - 14:17 UTC · Nov 25, 2021
Friendly reminder that new variants are just that: new. We can’t know if they will be bad or just meh based on sequence alone, nor guess at their provenance. Lots of mutations ≠ very bad.

The variants name is B.1.1.529 and the WHO has given it the Greek alphabet letter 'Omicron' i.e. O.

The virus type was only found last week and then only in a cluster of younger people in South Africa. But it may well have come from elsewhere.

There are several mutations visible within this new variant strain which likely means that it must have evolved some months ago:

Prof Francois Balloux @BallouxFrancois - 10:36 UTC · Nov 26, 2021
For that genetic diversity to have accumulated, B.1.1.529 must have been in circulation for at least 2-3 months (i.e. SARS-CoV-2 lineages 'click' at ~2 mutations/month).

In recent days more cases with this variant were already found in Malawi, Belgium, Israel and Hong Kong. There are likely many more all around the world. The horse has clearly left the barn and the travel stops, which were today again implemented, will only slow down the spread.

We already know that some of the monoclonal antibody therapeutics that can be used against previous variants will not work against this one as some specifically targeted  gene regions have changed in it. There is also the possibility that the protection that current vaccines give us will not work as well against the new variant as they do against previous ones.

It means that we will again need non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow the spread. As Yves writes:

By letting business drive public health policy with its quest for a “return to normal,” the entire last year was squandered, not just NPIs, but testing, contact tracing, international infection control standards, everything. We said this amounted operational to “Let ‘er rip.” B.1.1.529 may show us the true cost of that recklessness. And where did the recent rounds of bad variants come from? This is three times – Kent, India, now South Africa – where the Anglo incubation reservoirs that capitalism creates have spilled over into waves of world-wide infection. China would be fully justified in never “opening up,” with obvious consequences for a “return to normal” in the supply chain.

Consider GM’s cheery advice (emphasis his):

Consider yourself fully unvaccinated from now on and go back to March 2020 precautions.

There are many open question about the new variant of concern:

  • How fast does this variant really spread?
  • Is it more infectious?
  • Does it cause a more severe illness?
  • Is it more deadly?
  • How well do the vaccines hold up against it?

From the current data none of those questions can yet be answered. It will take two to four weeks to find out.

Kai Kupferschmidt @kakape - 13:58 UTC · Nov 26, 2021
So as usual: Beware of anyone who is overly confident on anything about this variant right now. There is a lot we need to find out.

If you have not be vaccinated yet please get a shot as soon as possible. You may want to (re-)read the last Moon of Alabama thread on that:

Why You Should Get Vaccinated But Do Not Need A Third Shot

Until we do have more information about this new variant we should probably all follow GM's advice at least as much as we can.

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Note:

I will police the comments in this thread. Any hyping of unproven medications and other not science based speculations will be removed and might get you banned.

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Don Bacon @ 173

Essentially, your ‘data’ just confirms that we, as guinea pigs, are in the midst of a grand experiment from which we can apparently glean some positive news. This positive news is, however, conspicuously beefed up by omitting any mention of the exponentially high number of adverse effects, including death, already on record. Also no mention of the adverse effects on pregnancy and women of childbearing age in general. Indeed, the directive in this undertaking is instead focused on ever younger recipients...with toddlers and even infants in the crosshairs.

Now how we got here from what’s a relatively benign flu has, IMHO, very definite psychopathic undertones.

Posted by: john | Nov 28 2021 12:08 utc | 201

@Posted by: john | Nov 28 2021 12:08 utc | 201

Joseph Mengele is notorious for having experimented on prisoners,
Jewish prisoners in particular.

Dr Anthony Fausti is experimenting on children on a massive scale.

Posted by: librul | Nov 28 2021 14:22 utc | 202

Don Bacon #194

So you believe the US stats are that good and reliable. Even the Washington Post not exactly a huge critic of the US government wrote an article describing the massive deficiencies in the CDC’s collection of data and how it hampers them US response to covid. From the WP article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/30/inadequate-us-data-pandemic-response/

“Multiple factors underlie this data deficit. First and foremost: The United States does not have a national health system such as Israel’s or Britain’s, and in a pandemic, U.S. authorities must rely on a vast and decentralized public health infrastructure that is notoriously underfunded and full of holes. As a result, there is no simple way to track infections or outcomes across the population.”

So given this structural inability of the CDC to accurately collect data we are supposed to believe their facts because we all know here at MOA that the US Gov ALWAYS tells us the truth. At this point I have no trust in what the CDC says and given that the facts from the UK national system reports weekly comprehensive stats that are vastly different, I believe them vastly more than the US stats disseminated by the CDC and the US MSM.

Posted by: Blaker00 | Nov 28 2021 14:36 utc | 203

@Posted by: Blaker00 | Nov 28 2021 14:36 utc | 203

My wife and I both got the J&J vaccine. Months later we each experienced
a unique-for-us effect.

Were they side-effects of the vaccine, or just part of our aging process?
Only statistics can tell and I have serious doubts that our symptoms are being tallied anywhere.

Does anyone know of a non-governmental or even governmental website where we can log our symptoms?

Posted by: librul | Nov 28 2021 14:43 utc | 204

Omicron = Moronic - enough said...

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 28 2021 14:48 utc | 205

@ Richard Steven Hack | Nov 26 2021 22:46 utc | 60
All the hand washing, sanitizer and mask wearing really works. But the best thing is simply staying away from moron humans.

I suggest that you cease all contact, even eye contact, with human beings, because according to your symptoms they are the ones your immune system rejects as viruses.

Unless this extends to all bipeds. Test with kangaroos, chickens, rheas etc.

Posted by: Leuk | Nov 28 2021 14:51 utc | 206

@Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 28 2021 14:48 utc | 205

I hesitated posting my anagram for
dr anthony fauci omicron.

In fact I had typed up a post and then deleted it
as I thought it was a bit much. Then the next thing
I happened to read on the internet made me think
my anagram was perfect for this world situation.

I had typed up, roughly, that
Dr Anthony Fauci has been looking for a way to continue kicking this can down the road.
Found it! Moronic anarchy
The above is what
dr anthony fauci omicron
anagrams to.

Found it! Moronic anarchy

Here is the article:

World Medical Association Chair Demands National Lockdowns, Compulsory Jabs, Fears COVID "Variant As Dangerous As Ebola"

quote: "It may be necessary to keep "vaccinating the world for years." "

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/world-medical-association-chair-demands-national-lockdowns-compulsory-jabs-fears-covid

Posted by: librul | Nov 28 2021 15:22 utc | 207

lib @207

Indeed. Anyone who still thinks this is a 'public health crisis' is lost to the Kool Aid crowd. Cheers.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 28 2021 15:38 utc | 208

@Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 28 2021 15:38 utc | 208

Helpful Hint:
A synonym for Mass panic
is Moronic Anarchy.

And we have certainly seen manufactured Mass Panic.
No doubt about it.
None.

Posted by: librul | Nov 28 2021 17:20 utc | 209

People appear to die at rates 20 percent or more above normal for weeks after receiving their second Covid vaccine dose, according to data from a huge Swedish study.

The figures are buried in a preprint paper on vaccine effectiveness released last month. The headline finding of the paper was that protection against Covid, including severe cases, plunged after six months.

The researchers did not explicitly examine deaths from all causes - which have risen since the summer in many countries that have highly vaccinated populations.

But on page 32 of the 34-page report, a chart shows that 3,939 of 4.03 million Swedes who received the second dose died less than two weeks later.
(SOURCE: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410 )

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Nov 28 2021 17:33 utc | 210

Lurk,

There is the VAERS reporting system where you can report you adverse effects of the vaccine. The information goes to the CDC which is doing their utmost to not follow up on the hundreds of thousands of adverse reports they have received which include at this point I think over 14,000 deaths. VAERS is criticized by vaccine proponents as being unverified which is accurate in that the reports need to be verified by the CDC which is not doing any of such verification Medical practitioners have a mandated responsibility to report such adverse events but many are unaware that this is an obligation and the reporting effort is very time consuming so it is estimated by many experts in VAERS that adverse events (such as what you experienced) are massively under-reported.

So you can make a report but it seems to be mostly pissing in the wind as if anyone will ever look into to it. Quite unfortunately I may add. Or criminal.

Posted by: Blaker00 | Nov 28 2021 19:39 utc | 211

At last the penny has dropped. The "wormwood" that has been mentioned before as useful in the present context, is => Absinthe. The subject of many paintings, The "Green Fee", banned for 100 years and recently reprieved as just another alcoholic drink.

I have no idea if it has "therapeutic" values, but it is now a simple drink that can be bought "over the counter". Originally the problem in France at the time of the Impressionists was that it was too cheap, just a few centimes for enough for an evening. Common drunkeness wiped out more "sophisticated" (and expensive) liquid refreshments. It was then banned and naturally THEN became THE drink to have. (banning things has that effect on humans, they want more) Even in the US. Snobs drank it.

I don't know if volunteers can be found to test the medicinal virtues, as after a few drinks, who cares anymore.

**

PS. It is still made in Pontarlier, there may be a difference between the "new" version and the old illegal home-made versions. I think I still have a half bottle of the *original somewhere.... Obviously I used it for cooking.

******

Micron | Nov 28 2021 7:30 utc | 197

Expansion of one point in your post.

Friend, an EHPAD care worker.
She had two jabs to keep her job, (she has to eat and has two children).
She will have to go to Bourg-en-Bresse, two hours drive there, Wait in a queue, two hrs. back, to get a jab she has to pay for, plus Motorway charges and fuel costs. One day completely lost, without working out how to fetch one child after school.

She is quantified as "vaccinated" but is VERY anti-vaccine, as are many others. The EHPAD has a chronic shortage of staff so she even has to work more even if badly paid. She is also VERY anti-Macron.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 20:00 utc | 213

I'm not even angry anymore, omicron is too funny.

Posted by: Rae | Nov 28 2021 21:32 utc | 214

Norwegian #127

...this is a very dangerous situation. The authoritarian actions taken now are distractions from something else that is coming, an economic crash and/or war.

Inflation is coming and therefore we cannot do anything for the people - no betterment policies for them. For the last decades we have spent furiously to improve defense and then we have been overwhelmed by Covid and had to pay the pharmaceutical companies for their life saving drugs and private hospitals for their help. So now we are overspent and the people will just have to top up the private bank. /s

That's how it goes.

I was catching up on the USA failed container transport debacle earlier today and there was data like the cost of a shipping container delivery to port had increased from 3,000 to 30,000 dollars a piece, the USA port authorities and handling companies were now charging storage fees to the recipient, the shipping companies were demanding demurrage fees from the port authorities. Costs escalating. Vulture capitalism is self consuming and the people are just grist for the mill.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 28 2021 21:42 utc | 215

Stonebird #213

Re your absinthe excitement. Yes oil of wormwood was once used in the brewing of absinthe in 19th century France and yes it did lead to excess pleasure. It was also more-ish and people addicted themselves to it. The Pope intervened and banned absinthe.

Today the ban is ignored and oil of wormwood is once again infused in the fermentation. From what I read of ancient brews revealed by archaeologists and their chemist scientist collaborators, brews of this nature using plants from across the planet have been going on for millennia.

Simultaneously artemisia has been used by people as a medicine plant for gut parasites and other afflictions for millennia also.

It is one of the most useful plants in the world for treating numerous ailments in both mammals and birds. It is very helpful for treating malaria providing the oil is cold extracted as heat destroys its remedial function. It actually kills the malarial parasite within the bloodstream. Six hundred years ago a Chinese healer recorded it as being the remedy to use for 'fevers' when all other remedies had failed.

One does not need to be a piss head to appreciate its medicinal values. Recreational alcohol can benefit from various inclusions. See Gin, or consider home brew beer with cannabis sativa as a cure for sleeplessness.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 28 2021 22:08 utc | 216

@216 uncle tungsten

fyi, Heather and Bret discuss mass formation for a few minutes in their latest Darkhorse Q&A:
timestamped at 28:00: Mass formation

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 28 2021 23:12 utc | 217

Neighbor story
My friend and dentist until he retired is well respected in town and in the county. I see him and talk every time we have a Rotary Club meeting. He's quiet, but good to talk with because he listens. For the past 3 meetings-- since early October-- he's been blurting out the question: "What do you all think of the booster shot?" Most mumble their support for the vaccines and boosters but he insists on being a skeptic. He said his wife got the moderna booster but he doesn't think he will because he doesn't think it's necessary and he isn't convinced it's safe. I'm the only one in the group of 8 who agrees with him. The rest-- all retired businessmen and professionals-- are in line with the Democrat/CNN/Fauci line in spite of the fact that 7 of 8 are traditional republicans.
This is a very red, rural county in the Midwest, USA. My takeaway from this little "poll": self-identified professionals and local business leaders (elites) are pro vax but are not comfortable discussing and listening to challenges and questions about this issue. My guess is that the local VFW people would be anti. One more note: my red neck cattle farmer neighbor Larry finally got the Moderna, first shot. He buckled under severe pressure from his wife, daughter (NPR listener), and son-in-law but he says he's not getting a second shot.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 29 2021 1:00 utc | 218

Gulo | Nov 27 2021 12:09 utc | 129

librul | Nov 27 2021 18:36 utc | 178

If I recall correctly the research posted about nitric oxide (NO) calls for administration of the NO for therapeutic use. Here's an exercise alleged to boost NO in the bloodstream that, if true, might serves as a preventive:

ZACH BUSH MD | 4 Minute Workout

~6 min

If you decide to use it I suggest you do one round of 10 reps of each step per day for a week. Then increase to 2 reps per day of 10 reps each the second week and 3 reps the third week.

And: keep your mouth closed while doing the exercise.

Posted by: pogohere | Nov 29 2021 3:39 utc | 219

Thank you, uncle tungsten @ 216, enormously helpful information.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2021 4:28 utc | 220

@217 more...

In the short clip I linked to from the Dark Horse Q&A, Bret Weinstein mentions a video on mass-formation by Dr. Robert Malone, but he doesn't give a link.

I just ran into it on YouTube:

Billions Of People Are Affected By This & They Don't Realize It | Dr. Robert Malone 2021

Malone not only describes the illness, he presents suggestions for the cure. How to break through the mass trance is by acting locally and building intentional community to heal from the fear of the virus and to focus instead on the greater fear of totalitarianism.

Malone says that the mass-formation model's inventor, Dr. Mattias Desmet, has tested ways to break through the mass paralysis and it can be done.

There are additional links below the video to the longer, interview version of this presentation.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 29 2021 5:58 utc | 221

@ 221 grieved.. did you ever watch the mattais desmet video i linked to some time ago?? the poster BM gave a better link to the one i had shared afterwards... here it is again if you're interested... Mass Formation and Totalitarian Thinking in This Time of Global Crisis

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 6:12 utc | 222

Time for a Unicorn break...

Wouldn't it be loverly if highly infectious, but less deadly, Omicron was able to out-compete Delta and thereby displace/replace Delta as the #1 Covid virus?
Oz medicos have included this possibility in the mix of potential outcomes.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 29 2021 7:51 utc | 223

Dear b, as a medical advisor you are an absolute loser. Shame on you. "unproven medications" - spare me.

Posted by: Thelonius Kort | Nov 29 2021 9:00 utc | 224

Dr. Geert Van Bosche has been writing about this since the beginning of the year. Follow him on Twitter. On youtube he explains how vaccination during a pandemic is inevitably going to drive variants to form. He is a vaccinologist. He is a consultant for GAVI and the BMF. The problem isn't that we don't know the dangers. The problem is nobody wants to listen. Profits and self virtue are placed above "the right thing to do."

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/616004c52e87ed08692f5692/6180d0742de00f1d9cd1f0a6_who-open-letter.pdf

Posted by: F.Bomb | Nov 29 2021 10:46 utc | 225

Grieved

Thank you for your links. I will try to catch up with them in the nxt day or so. Survival and associated matters is a priority right now.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 11:13 utc | 226

uncle tungsten | Nov 28 2021 22:08 utc | 216

Thanks but Absinthe is not "19th century France", as a modern legal version is now sold over the counter. When I lived in the Jura, (35+ years ago) it was available as an illegal booze. It was called "la bleue". (The blue). French President Mitterand was even called out when he ate an absinthe laced meal in Switzerland.

The taste is superior to Pastis and Ricard, found in the south of France.

However, thank you for telling me that as well as the pleasure, I was being de-wormed at the same time.
*
PS. It was part of my miss-spent youth. Sobriety comes with age, or is that "age is just a long hangover?

****

Alchoholic "cures" or rather palliatives ; Whiskey and coke for Dengue. Add honey to whiskey and hot water for flu. Nearby in the Jura, local distillation has many variants using locally found plants Ie. Gentiane (a root), that have claimed powers, mainly digestive.
***

"Today the ban is ignored and oil of wormwood is once again infused in the fermentation. From what I read of ancient brews revealed by archaeologists and their chemist scientist collaborators, brews of this nature using plants from across the planet have been going on for millennia." They had a lot of fun in those days, with a lot less restrictions.

Until recently the "droit de la Gout" (Distillation) was restricted to several individuals. When they died the "Rights" were no longer given to individuals and the French State recovered the "rights" and then taxed them. Spoilsports.

My neighbour, now gone, had the right, but he did not distill himself. It meant that we had to find 40 kilos of a specific fruit at a time to be able to have a label mentioning the type. Ie "Mirabelle, Prune" etc. (Otherwise it had to be a more generalised label). That was still during the time that Absinthe was forbidden.

****

"It is one of the most useful plants in the world for treating numerous ailments in both mammals and birds. It is very helpful for treating malaria providing the oil is cold extracted as heat destroys its remedial function. It actually kills the malarial parasite within the bloodstream. Six hundred years ago a Chinese healer recorded it as being the remedy to use for 'fevers' when all other remedies had failed."

The use of various herbs and plants for medicinal purposes is an absolutely fascinating subject. Thanks for the info in your 216 post. I now wonder if cold pressed artemisia would work on Dengue? Should do, but as malarial diseases are based in warmer climates getting the cure to the afflicted might pose a problem?

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 12:01 utc | 227

@Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 12:01 utc | 228

Absinthe was banned more than a century ago due to scare-mongering about the toxicity of the components extracted from Artemisia absinthium called thujone. Absinthe was said to cause the decay of the "French race". More recently, after the EU set limits on the maximum allowed thujone content, absinthe was again allowed to be sold in the EU. I know it by the colloquial name "green fairy".

Wikipedia mentions that Artemisia absinthium was used in 18th century England as a replacemenyt for hops in beer. Which brings me to another topic, the famed German "Reinheitsgebot" that restricts the use of ingredients other than water, malted barley, hops and yeast in brewing beer.

In medieval Europe, many different herbs were brewed into beers. Doing so affords not only extraction of the plant's active principles, but may also effect biotransformation of these principles by the yeast. Such beers were used for various medicinal purposes, in spite of wikipedia's smears that only herbs like belladona, henbabe and wormwood (artemisa) were used as part of pagan rituals.

Interestingly, the use of hops in herbalism is analogous to valerian. Hops are a sedative and causes sleepiness. Contrarily, the herb mugwort, commonly used in beer brewing before being displaced by hops, is stimulating and counteracts sleepiness. This is possibly due to its thujone content - mugwort, Artemisia vulgaris, is wormwood's cousin.

The Artimisa species used to combat malaria is Artemisia annua. The main principle used against malaria is artemisinin. A cocktail of artemisinin, chloroquine and harmine (from Peganum harmala) has an even stronger effect on Plasmodium falciparum, the malaria parasite.

Dengue is caused by a virus, unlike malaria which is caused by a parasite. So there are no simple parallels. That does not rule out that similar medications may have beneficial effects in both cases, but there is no simple inference that can be made.

Somewhere I read an article claiming similarities between secondary Dengue infection and covid. Another interesting angle wrt to the current corona debates is the hypothesis that antibody-dependent enhancement plays a role in severe dengue disease.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 29 2021 13:20 utc | 228

Lurk | Nov 29 2021 13:20 utc | 229

Absinthe was said to cause the decay of the "French race". Seems to have worked.
**

For the full description Thanks. I must admit that the same vector (mosquitos) led me to think that the illnesses were related. Although Dengue carrying mosquitos can be identified by their "football socks" - striped legs, and are generally quicker and harder to hit (experience !)

I am not really capable of talking intelligently about ADE, or the upcoming Immunodeficiency due to vax effects "diminishing" at a regular rate, (down to zero, sometime in March? Which incidently adds urgency to "boosters" being administered before the connections between Jab and non-covid related problems - cardiovascular and cancers, become too prevalent). Both scare the beejabbers out of me. So you can see my problem of explaining that to those who only get their info from the TV, such as my neighbours.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 14:07 utc | 229

@Posted by: pogohere | Nov 29 2021 3:39 utc | 219

Thx, I saved your link to my Health bookmark folder
and will give it a try. The comments under the video
are very positive.

Posted by: librul | Nov 29 2021 14:09 utc | 230

Posted by: librul | Nov 28 2021 14:43 utc | 204

Check out this page where medical personnel share their experiences after getting injected.
Link Medscape

VAERS is also an eye opening source of information on side-effects.
Link to OpenVaers

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 29 2021 15:57 utc | 231

@Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 29 2021 15:57 utc | 232

Much appreciated

Posted by: librul | Nov 29 2021 16:16 utc | 232

I have long thought that most of the illegal drugs are illegal because, if legal, they would interfere in pharmaceutical companies profits. At any rate we seem to have gotten along with them with little fuss until there were rich people to worry about making a lot more money off them.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 29 2021 16:27 utc | 233

Stonebird #228
Lurk

I now wonder if cold pressed artemisia would work on Dengue? Should do, but as malarial diseases are based in warmer climates getting the cure to the afflicted might pose a problem?

Thanks for your response and information. Firstly there are three varieties of wormwood and I am uncertain of the specifics of each but will inquire when I next meet up with my Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner.

I would certainly try it for dengue and ross river fevers as it may be beneficial. Its available online as powder in a capsule to make it easier and avoid the flavor but it is really just bitter as can be but palatable. I use it as a precaution from parasites in the chiken coop. Note those gut parasites are also eradicated by consuming food grade diatomaceous earth in cereal and also the chook food. Source of calcium too.

Absinthe is said to be a powerful aphrodisiac and that is what contributed to it being banned. I know - the French actually banned an aphrodisiac !! but then the catholic / lutheran contest for the people's souls was in full swing I guess.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 20:49 utc | 234

@ migueljose | Nov 29 2021 1:00 utc | 218... thanks.. i think you are right in your speculation on all that.. the conservative vibe still seems to be dominant...

@ Bemildred | Nov 29 2021 16:27 utc | 234.. i think you are right on that... and then there is the whole monster called 'copyright' which rears its ugly head in topics like this... it is all about power and control in the hands of a few, as opposed to sharing of the wealth on the planet... as a tangential example - some would like to give over the power to monsanto to increase their share value and figure it is fine to screw over the rest of the planet..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 21:03 utc | 235

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 21:03 utc | 236

Thanks, I think the question is at this point: Do you really believe that our business and other elites here would outlaw something because it might be bad for the public? Where is the evidence now that they give a crap about public health independently of the profit motive? It looks to me like the elite attitude is "let them eat words".

I have long been grateful to the USSR for putting up Sputnik (the satellite) when they did. I would not have gotten the good free education here that I did without that event.

Our rulers don't expect us to defend them any more, so no more such incentives for us.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 29 2021 21:22 utc | 236

Apologies if OT or irrelevant:

A few days ago the 'travel map' on Kayak's website for US visitors
https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions?&origin=US
Listed a few countries that were "Open", meaning USian visitors did not have to quarantine upon arrival, provide a negative COVID test or be vaccinated.

Colombia, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic and Mexico were on the list of "Open" nations the first time I saw it.
A few nights ago, upon checking the list again, I was surprised to find the inclusion of not so much Morocco and El Salvador as Denmark of all places. That was until I remembered news of Denmark lifting its COVID restrictions.
A night later, however, I looked at the list again and Denmark was 'demoted' from "Open" to "Open with restrictions".

Does this have something to do with the new 'Omicron' variant?
And how will the "Open" policies of Mexico and the Dominican Republic be affected?

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 29 2021 23:02 utc | 237

@uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 20:49 utc | 235

Firstly there are three varieties of wormwood and I am uncertain of the specifics of each but will inquire when I next meet up with my Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner.

I believe TCM employs Artemisia Annua.

I use it as a precaution from parasites in the chiken coop.

Interesting, I'll try that sometime. Last year I bathed the chickens in a Peganum harmala bath, that took good care of the mite infestation they were suffering from.

Absinthe is said to be a powerful aphrodisiac

I could not find any references for that in my quick research before the earlier post, but my personal experience says that it is indeed.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 29 2021 23:40 utc | 238

Lurk #239

Thank you. Dusting chooks with diatomaceous earth is mighty good too. Spread it in the hay in their roost to wipe out mites too. Be careful not to get in your eyes or under finger nails as it is irritant so gloves. The powder is so fine it grinds their joints, ditto ants and roaches. If geckos are in the wrong place dusting along their trail drives them away for a long time.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 30 2021 5:10 utc | 239

Lurk | Nov 27 2021 3:43 utc | 96

I am glad you brought that up. Far too many people, including people that are paid to do so, are unable to count. Spreading panic and terror is thus a cinch.

We were originally told that the infection rate of this "new" virus was 2.7 and that the replication rate was 5 days. If that were the case, in 2 months the entire country of Italy should have been decimated given that Covid19 has been detected in tissue samples months prior to any NPI in March 2020.

Similarly, the cruise ships and the war ship where Covid19 was detected and where, between passengers and crew we are talking about 50 thousand individuals of varying ages and ethnicities, should have resulted in a hecatomb of biblical proportions.

But then again, highways are racist... so...

o tempora o mores

Posted by: guidoamm | Dec 1 2021 10:13 utc | 240

Torchlight military on parade. Check! Segregating minorities. Check! Police checking papers! Check! Anti-Russian governmental actions. Check! Shutting down dissent. Check!!! Punishing those who do not comply. Check!!!!!

None of this is in Mein Kampfert zone.

Posted by: Zakukommander | Dec 17 2021 19:42 utc | 241

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