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November 27, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-092

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Flashback:

Joe Biden @JoeBiden - 3:16 UTC · Feb 2, 2020

Trump further diminished the U.S. in the eyes of the world by expanding his travel ban. This new “African Ban,” is designed to make it harder for black and brown people to immigrate to the United States. It’s a disgrace, and we cannot let him succeed.

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Other issues:

Russiagate:

Supply chain failures:

Fakenews Guardian:

Corruption:

Iona Craig أيونا كريچ @ionacraig - 9:15 UTC · Nov 25, 2021

Major Gen.Ahmed Nasser Al-Raisi, responsible for torture in the UAE, is Interpol’s new president following his global tour of lobbying for the position and a €50 million UAE donation to an Interpol foundation. There are lawsuits against him in the UK, Sweden, Norway and France.

Use as open thread ...

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Interfax’s 30 Years project is a treasure trove for those who are interested in the final days of the Soviet Union. It is a carefully curated collection of news and autobiography quotes created by professional historians that paints a comprehensive picture of events in a rather concise format.

Unfortunately, the website navigation does not work with machine translators. To navigate, go to the original Russian version, scroll to the bottom of the page, choose month with left/right arrows, choose date by clicking on a photo thumbnail, then copy and paste the page URL into your favorite machine translator. Alternatively, just type in a page URL directly, as they are very simple:

https://www.interfax.ru/30years/16Aug1991

The project was launched on August 16 and is adding one day each day.

Posted by: S | Nov 28 2021 17:48 utc | 101

Any "kinetic" action in the Taiwan area would necessarily and primarily require an active and effective naval force supported by logistics, maintenance (including battle damage) etc. AND demand effective ship crews.
But the question arises....
Collisions, Groundings and Fires: Is the Navy Ready for War? . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 17:54 utc | 102

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 28 2021 17:42 utc | 100
Seriously, who the hell programs MagdaTam?

I laughed so hard. Thanks a lot!

Yeah, shades of Deepak Chopra, eh?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 28 2021 18:17 utc | 103

Posted by: S | Nov 28 2021 17:48 utc | 101

Thanks for the link, useful info that will come handy when needed, even though those are Russia’s darkest days, the “democratic” nineties with their parliament bombing and stolen elections.

There is a foreign press entry for each day as events are listed. Took a look at the very first one and this came up, machine translation:

President Bush made a statement that illustrated the significant changes in relations between the USSR and the United States: he said he would be ready to welcome the planned vote for independence in Ukraine next week. Bush will be ready to officially recognize the independence of Ukraine and other Soviet republics.

Bush announced this on Wednesday during a private event with Ukrainian Americans at the White House. Thus, the US position has changed: earlier they supported what remained of the central leadership of the USSR headed by Mikhail Gorbachev, ignoring the republics' desire for independence.

From that dustbowl this mud.

Posted by: Paco | Nov 28 2021 18:48 utc | 104

A.L.@78
You summed it up so well. Thanks for that.

Posted by: Dim sim | Nov 28 2021 19:03 utc | 105

Piotr Berman @ 86:

M is engaging in the kind of link spamming that another troll got banned at MoA for doing: referring to to off-topic issues and then linking to news or information sources already known by US to be unreliable or lacking in analytical capabilities. There must be a few of these trolls working as a tag team here.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 28 2021 19:17 utc | 106

"US" in my comment @ 106 should have been in lower case. I'm typing on my smartphone and its spellchecker memory constantly gets in my way.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 28 2021 19:19 utc | 107

Posted by: S | Nov 28 2021 17:48 utc | 101
Ah, they ALL liked it then! - who is interested just copy/paste it to google translator it is short and bittersweet...
For the perspective,check this graph.
It did not work out well for them.


Posted by: hopehely | Nov 28 2021 19:31 utc | 108

@90 Don Bacon
Yes, needs mentioning. Moreover they are not entering "the ADIZ" which they can hardly avoid as the preposterous Taiwan ADIZ extends over the whole Taiwan straits, and significant parts of Fujian and other neighbouring provinces.

Where the DPP creeps and the US are barking is when they fly near an Atoll 250km away from Taiwan, and 100km off the mainland coast, where 700 Taiwan soldiers are absurdly stationed.

Posted by: aquadraht | Nov 28 2021 19:37 utc | 109

For those that missed it, "Russian & Chinese Ambassadors Try Teaching the Outlaw US Empire Democracy". My humble review isn't anywhere near as good as the Ambassador's essay, which I archived and intend to use many more times. Those greatly in need of digesting their essay are all those invited to participate in Biden's propaganda show. And beyond them are the world's people; they are the ones most in need of knowing the great difference between genuine democracy and that of an Oligarchy hiding behind a façade termed democracy that exists in both the Outlaw US Empire, the EU and other vassals like Canada and Australia. If a government fails to promote the wellbeing of its citizenry, then it's not a functioning democracy, for that's what genuine democracy's all about--uplifting the polity's condition on a continual basis: Forever making the nation/Union more ideal/perfect.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 28 2021 19:44 utc | 110

Debsisdead @ 69

Thanks I missed this message earlier. I was living in oz at the time and knew of a couple of AFP officers that went to the Solomons. I agree with your points.

Dim sim @ 105

Cheers! I my South Asia travels I've always made an effort ask the locals about the Chinese projects and they do seem to have the same gripes on the lack of local employment etc.

On the other hand I've also known many such projects that have gone off the rails, blown their budgets and schedules when local labour which were not up to the task (usually speed and skill) were used.

Its easy to sit on a high horse upon the hills and say China should do this and that, but not many people see things from both sides of the fence.

The crux of the matter is whether the Chinese is to deliver the project itself and evaluated on cost and schedule alone or if the project in fact a technology/skill transfer initiative in which case the cost and schedule will surely blow out but with permanent benefit to the host nation that are not immediately tangible. It is therefore a strategic choice, but you have to pay for it, though not necessarily with money.

It seems in many of these deals both parties wanted to have their cake and eat it too. And once the brown paper bags have changed hands the little people are left to pick up the pieces, as usual.

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 28 2021 19:46 utc | 111

I'd like to see some posts of barflies' talks with neighbors. Old Hippie has some good ones. Conversations are important, often interesting and we could get more of an idea of what "normal people" are saying.

How about it?

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 28 2021 19:52 utc | 112

@ migueljose | Nov 28 2021 19:52 utc | 112... good idea migueljose! on what topic??

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2021 19:57 utc | 113

aquadraht @ 109

All facts that are always left out in the MSM narrative. Also ADIZ are unilateral in nature and have less than zero meaning in international law. Yet the masses are herded by the MSM to think it's a trespass on soverign grounds or water.

May be Cuba should extend its ADIZ into Florida...

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 28 2021 20:02 utc | 114

@Don 92
I meant to say tom fowdy @RT, not chris fowdy. chris, tom, mike, whatever, generic names.

Why China is losing the war of words with the West
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/540636-peng-shuai-china-media/

Global Times, by comparison, is more strident and should not be conflated with Chinese state media, which is China Daily which no one reads. it's dull.

in contrast, the Chinese foreign ministry in its Q and A with the foreign press is actually quite sharp and riveting, but -- surprise surprise -- the western press never reports on what they actually say except to take stuff out of context, while ignoring their smackdown rebuttals. too bad, because its more sophisticated and engaging than what is propagated thru Chinese state media.

Posted by: mastameta | Nov 28 2021 20:23 utc | 115

Patroklos | Nov 27 2021 23:54 utc | 48

This RFS volunteer sums it up perfectly -

Tell the Prime Minister to go & get.....

Posted by: Blinky Bill | Nov 28 2021 20:27 utc | 116

Despite all the Western sour grapes about nasty China setting up loan traps (they are not) and not hiring locally, over 100 countries have signed agreements with China to cooperate in BRI projects like railways, ports, highways and other infrastructure. According to a Refinitiv database, over 2,600 projects at a cost of $3.7 trillion are linked to the initiative.
There's a lot of good news:
>China's Belt And Road Initiative Member Countries: Exports Up 28% In Three Years
>China-Europe Rail Freight Doubled In 2020.
>more here

The principal bowl of sour grapes is from the US of course, which (maybe) will be able to improve its infrastructure while "undemocratic" China did that already and now is working on the world's infrastructure.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 20:32 utc | 117

Chinese implantation in the Pacific.

This morning I watched a vid produced by the PLA, which was either PR (or a real account) of the accident that happened to the US submarine. (Unfortunately had to go out, so it was seen too rapidly and since lost (?) but.... I hope to be able to find it again)

What I had not realised is the extent of Chinese coordination in locating submarines. Various information from relays/Sats/etc are linked back to computers (Super computers?) on the mainland, so the approximate location of the sub is known BEFORE planes drop sonar detecting devices. ie. A complete electronic coverage of the Pacific is being installed, even if it is not all there already. (Geographic layout, etc. etc. Note that the Chinese have several cartographic "exploration" ships available and these have been seen making distinct straight mapping lines in various areas. (from memory, North of PNG-Manus and east of Palau for example). The Islands in the South China sea play a large role as well.

One thing that suggests that it was not just PR, was the detailed description of the US sub and it's sonar array in the bows - which they claimed was specifically targetted. (ie not to sink the sub, but warn it !).

But would "ports" and bases in the Solomons and islands around PNG be necessary? Not for direct submarine detection, and having "bases" is sooo American. However, it doesn't hurt their zone of influence to have commercial (and thus financial leverage) interests in every port.

The civil Chinese have been installed for a long, long time, and whoever brought up the problem of "work ethic" or just the "ability to do things" by the locals, hit the nail on the head. This is NOT running down the guys who live there, but in many cases the cultural differences are vastly underestimated. You could still see at the back of Chinese run shops the Grandmother/mother at a sewing machine making "Meri" blouses. The will to "get ahead" is cultural.

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Re, The Solomons, one has to remember that, as one PNG potential minister once told me - "you get five years in which to get rich". If you don't have anything to start from, then the motive is there.

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PS: We had a marvellous time and the people there were super. I actually spent a pleasant afternoon with the missus and old memories! (ie. including the time the Maarist Brothers pinched my wifes' sexy underwear in Kieta. Not a Woke in sight.)

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 20:43 utc | 118

@ Stonebird 118
news: The Navy sacked three command leaders of the attack submarine USS Connecticut. The decision follows an incident last month in which the submarine crashed into an underwater mountain.//

China has developed a formidable cyber capability. Is it possible that China could have fed false readings to the sub's sonar to cause a collision? In other words, to go beyond locating to something more nefarious

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 21:02 utc | 119

@Posted by: m | Nov 27 2021 18:48 utc | 4

These ideas would probably fit in better on the new Truth social platform as they are misguided, right wing and foolishness. In just a few words of Martyanov on the same article:

But then again, these are US media and their minions in Russia who lie for paycheck. Remarkably, yet another "intellectual" from Valdai Forum appeared on RT with his view on the "events" around 404. His name is Ivan Timofeev--you can read his bio here. And while Timofeev agrees that Ukrainian Army will be obliterated very fast if Russia really decides to get involved big time and then, as in following the rigid Cost-Benefits analysis procedure, Timofeev demonstrates and proves my thesis that in terms of serious geopolitics involving power element only outstanding diplomats capable to have a good grasp of the military events "on the ground" should be allowed to state their opinions. Providing lip service to already well-established fact that VSU as a force wouldn't last past first salvos and pincer movements by Russian Army is not enough when speaking on such matters. Timofeev states: First, such a military conflict is unlikely to culminate in any intelligible agreement. A victory over the armed forces of Ukraine will not by itself lead to a fast peace. The option of “two Ukrainian states” would allow Russia to squeeze nationalists out by sending them West. Under a “one Ukraine” scenario, this would be impossible, given all the ensuing consequences.

I don't know why "one Ukraine scenario" even enters considerations here? I have no rational explanation to why Timofeev even discusses that. In the end, leave it to Poland, Hungary and Romania to deal with Western Ukraine. That, BTW, may become what would put the final nail into NATO's coffin.

Posted by: Bo Robinson | Nov 28 2021 21:22 utc | 120

Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 21:02 utc | 119

The same sub. This is what makes the Chinese PR interesting, as they are either saying what could happen in the future or their version is closer to the truth about what actually happened. (Ie. no underwater mountains?).

The use of cyber warfare is a lot further advanced than either side admits. ie, The new 56 boat drone (unmanned) swarms (also Chinese). (Guiness book of records?). The unsucessful interceptions of Russian planes from Syria by F-35's (30+?). Or they simply could not catch them. We get fed diametrically different versions.
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There are lot of under-reported build ups going on. Again; at Alexandroupolis port (Greece) for exercises. This commands the Dardanelles and entrance to Black sea as well as two gas pipelines from Turkey (who are not amused). Big US transport ships (one arrived and three to follow). or... Uncertainty about Russian movements (Kharkiv?) etc. It is possible that the US will "let" Zelensky start a war and the US will hope to just clap from the sidelines)

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 21:45 utc | 121

==> Don Bacon @ 119

There is a detailed article on just this point at MetalicMan
https://metallicman.com/uss-connecticut-black-operations-submarine-south-china-sea-ram-mountain-what-really-happened/
You'll have to make your own decisions as to its credibility, but nuclear subs are the
main threat to both China and Russia, so I'm sure max effort will be put into countering them

Posted by: David K | Nov 28 2021 21:56 utc | 122

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 20:43 utc | 118

try metallicman.com blog, there is a vid there that i watched yesterday that sounds like the one you mentioned.
Here is the headline-

"What REALLY happened with the collision of the USS Connecticut in the South China Sea"

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 28 2021 21:57 utc | 123

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 28 2021 22:03 utc | 124

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 27 2021 23:54 utc | 48

When I visited there ALL Americans were referred to as Seppos. Short for septic tank. Sorry YOUR feelings were hurt lol. Anything we can do to make YOU feel better is okay by me.

Posted by: Boromir Pufinschlong | Nov 28 2021 22:03 utc | 125

@mastameta #115

Here's a link.
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/fyrth/

@Stonebird #118
It's not by PLA but a fanzine on steroids.
My take is the PLA hit it with a smart mine or submarine drone hunter without explosive warhead, as a warning. And that sub was lurking outside the Hainan submarine base. Again, very normal for gung-ho US sub operations against China.

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 28 2021 22:05 utc | 126

I just watched a movie, and there was a closeup on the license plate of the vehicle : Washington, DC plates.

The motto at the bottom of the plate was « TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION ».

That’s ridiculous. I thought they obviously made it up, for the Movie, so I looked it up,

No, it turns out that’s what’s printed ob the bottom of Washington DC license plates.

How about that !

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 28 2021 22:05 utc | 127

TYPO sorry.

not « ob » (if)

ON the license plate.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 28 2021 22:08 utc | 128

@ David K 122
fascinating possibility. . .China is strong on AI also. . .

. . .The Yun-8 military plane took off from the Hainan Air Force Base and carried out a “sonic bomb” on the Connecticut.
This technology (a “sonic bomb”) causes the submarine’s personnel to be extremely uncomfortable due to the sonic shock. It does not injure or kill anyone. It simply makes all their pain receptors ignite on their bodies.While it was trying to exit the cone of effect, the AI controlled robotic Chinese HSU001 unmanned submarine slipped silently to the nuclear submarine Connecticut. Where it attached itself to the bow of the ship..
This was an intentional placement. This locations was as far away as possible from the nuclear power plant for a close local directed-explosion attack.
It was then ignited, and ended up causing serious damage to the bow of the boat and a complete loss of sonar sensing ability. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 22:11 utc | 129

News Network is reporting two cases of Omnicron in Canada - returnees from Nigeria.

Posted by: spudski | Nov 28 2021 22:12 utc | 130


Posted by: migueljose @ 112

"I'd like to see some posts of barflies' talks with neighbors. Old Hippie has some good ones. Conversations are important, often interesting and we could get more of an idea of what "normal people" are saying."

I have a neighbour called John Galbraith. I remarked, 'that's a famous name'. To my surprise, John, in his sixty something years had never heard of John Kenneth Galbraith, so I printed off the first few pages of the thirty + page Wiki entry for him.

Posted by: Paul | Nov 28 2021 22:14 utc | 131

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

While not Guam, they do have a point.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Nov 28 2021 22:18 utc | 132

To all those saying that China is not "marketing" itself very well. Who needs marketing when your actions speak for you? Marketing is for asshats that want to deceive others.

Actions speak louder than words, and their actions will define who they are. And so far their actions speak well of them. Ditto Russia.

Posted by: David F | Nov 28 2021 22:20 utc | 133

Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 21:02 utc | 119

Found it. This is the one I saw. Ten minutes. Enjoy, calming pictures underwater at the end. Subtitles are too fast to read easily.

I am not sure that it is the same as others have posted @122 and @126.. Which I will check out in a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeJLwUfLcEU

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 22:21 utc | 134

I'd suggest those interested in Chinese POV on geopolitical matter read Global Times daily. I do, even though I live in China and watches the premier state news channel at CCTV13.

India came out supporting China's Winter Games during the 18th Foreign Minister meet which is the Russia-China pushback against Biden's song and dance fake "Alliance of Democracies"
Note that both Russia and China made statements against US use of unilateral sanctions against sovereign states.
A clear reference to possible use of sanctions over India's purchase of Russia's S-400.
So this is India's quid pro quo for China's nod to india's right to buy S-400 despite the obvious fact that these will be used to target Pakistan and China planes in any border blowups in the future.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202111/1240130.shtml

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202111/1240032.shtml?id=11

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 28 2021 22:23 utc | 135

@Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 28 2021 8:11 utc | 73

FYI it doesn’t matter how correct you were about Russiagate being bullshit if you are now deep throating MSM China narratives with zero gag reflex.

Posted by: Stod Tottlemier | Nov 28 2021 22:24 utc | 136

@136

"FYI it doesn’t matter how correct you were about Russiagate being bullshit if you are now deep throating MSM China narratives with zero gag reflex." - Caitlin Johnstone

Posted by: spudski | Nov 28 2021 22:31 utc | 137

David K | Nov 28 2021 21:56 utc | 122

Pretty similar to the vid.. One differnce is the depth the sub was operating at. One stated 1500 meters, the other states 650 but those could have been fathoms?

It has been the "custom" (Cold war era), that once detected a "warning" explosion was made, so the opposite sub would surface and be allowed to go on its way. Loosing one "point"?

That it was deliberate - OK. The last part of the vid. shows several techniques that I take to also be part of the warning.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 28 2021 22:37 utc | 138

karlof1 #110

For those that missed it, "Russian & Chinese Ambassadors Try Teaching the Outlaw US Empire Democracy".

Thank you for that link and your efforts on VK.

I thought I would replicate the Blankenship link at Global Times too as it is an excellent critique.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 28 2021 22:47 utc | 139

@ Stonebird 134
Yes, video requires fast reading, but I got a lot of it. It's a fascinating scenario for tracking and attacking submarines. And of course China on defense has the home-court advantage. . .thank you.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 22:48 utc | 140

What happened with VK?

Found allusions but nothing else.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 28 2021 22:49 utc | 141

mastameta@89:

Very, very well said!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2021 22:52 utc | 142

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2021 19:57 utc | 113

conversations with neighbors: what topic? Whatever you & they talk about that you think matters. Most of mine are about what's going on in our neighborhood which is rural: harvest, drought, pestilence, etc. but they often drift into deeper, more guarded observations, fears, questions. I believe that we in the U.S., Canada and Europe will eventually form a mass movement. Talking with and listening to neighbors and family is an important component in building that movement.
Learn how to ask good questions that lead to more intimate beliefs, memories, thoughts. Learn how to draw out their stories: stories about their parents, how they grew up, who influenced them, regrets. It will strengthen your bond with them. Eventually, they will reciprocate.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 28 2021 22:55 utc | 143

mastameta@91:

India has licked Empire's boot, sniffed keister, and even gambled on military humiliation on Empire's behalf for the past 10-15 years (ever since Singh), and they got a rude awakening in 2020 when Empire held back COVID needed medical supplies and tokened them with humiliating gesture of oxygen canisters. May be they did learn something of late!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2021 22:59 utc | 144


Posted by: Paul | Nov 28 2021 22:14 utc | 131

thanks Paul!

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 28 2021 23:01 utc | 145

@mastameta (115)

Global Times, by comparison, is more strident and should not be conflated with Chinese state media

Well, if that doesn't explain the 'hiccup' I alluded to earlier (comment no. 75 of this thread), then I don't know what does.

@LittleWhiteCabbage (81)
I don't think what karlof1 says in comment no. 35 suggests any exoneration of Imperial Japan. One can criticize both Japanese aggression and the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki simultaneously - does it have to be black or white?

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 28 2021 23:40 utc | 146

uncle tungsten @139--

Thanks for your feedback!

Stonebird @138--

Fascinating discovery. BTW, one fathom=6 feet. 650 fathoms= @1200 meters.

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I see there's no link to the excellent story by our investigator Kit Klarenberg about the new document released that does great damage to John McCloy, "The pro-Nazi US official who helped shape post-war Germany". Many will have their level of ire escalated as they read his report; mine was, and this excerpt was part of the fuel:

"McCloy once said of his tenure, which lasted from September 1949 to August 1952, 'I had the powers of a dictator… but I think I was a benevolent dictator.' He granted clemency to dozens of Nazi war criminals, freeing or reducing the sentences of most SS extermination squad leaders, despite acknowledging their crimes were 'historic in their magnitude and horror,' and carried out just five of the 15 death sentences handed down at the Nuremberg trials.

"In a chilling twist, McCloy operated from the head offices of his former client IG Farben – 23 of its directors, among them SS members, were tried for war crimes, with 13 convicted. By 1951, all had been released. German industrialist Alfried Krupp, sentenced to 12 years for crimes against humanity due to the genocidal manner in which he employed slave labor at his factories, was likewise pardoned.

"By contrast, Gestapo counterintelligence chief Klaus Barbie wasn’t prosecuted by US occupation forces – in fact, he was recruited as a spy, and reported on French intelligence activities in France’s German occupation zone, despite Paris that same year having sentenced him to death in absentia for innumerable crimes against humanity he committed while stationed in the country under the Vichy regime.

"Known as the ‘Butcher of Lyon’, he employed bullwhips, drugs, electric shocks to nipples and testicles, and needles pushed under fingernails, in interrogations. Those few who survived were sent to extermination camps.

"When the French learned Barbie was working for the US, they appealed directly to McCloy for him to be handed over. He refused, claiming that 'allegations of the citizens of Lyon can be disregarded as being hearsay only.' The high commissioner knew this to be untrue, though. Barbie’s name was reportedly listed in McCloy’s own office as part of CROWCASS, the Central Registry of War Criminals and Security Suspects, which noted he was wanted for 'the murder of civilians and torture and murder of military personnel.'" [My Emphasis]

Given what he accomplished, he was just as guilty as those he pardoned and deserved to hang with them. Here's the link to the document dump--447 pages--so I'll assume Kit has merely skimmed the surface of available revelations. This also raises yet another question: How many other McCloys were there? The Dulles brothers seem to fit which makes two, but IMO there are probably a few dozen more, all most likely dead now.

The damning fundamental fact is the Outlaw US Empire conspired to protect and employ former Nazis and War Criminals to the point of abetting their escape from justice, making a mockery of the USA's involvement in the European Theatre while pointing to the EU's fascist design/dimensions. Such revelations demand a proper rewriting of US History texts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 28 2021 23:43 utc | 147

Thank you David K @ 122 for the metallicman.com link.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2021 23:46 utc | 148

@ 147
Germany didn't have a patent on war criminals, it's just that they lost the war. McCloy obviously understood that.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 28 2021 23:51 utc | 149

A comment, by one Alan Orsborn, on the Pepe Escobar article concerning the book "The Real Anthony Fauci":

"In the book RFK Jr makes the case that Fauci is desperately trying to get a needle in every arm because the unvaccinated constitute a control group that highlights the horrific vaccine injuries. Vaccine injuries are easier to hide if everybody has the vaccine."

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 28 2021 23:51 utc | 150

Don Bacon #129

Thank you, that was a delightful tale.
I hope it is true as a punch in the USA nose is deserved.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 0:38 utc | 151

Gleichschaltung is an odd word Yandex isn't bale to translate. Google says it means synchronization. In the lead sentence to his article, Stephen Karganovic gets very specific:

"Gleichschaltung is a German word with a rich history. It stands for the coerced harmonisation of all forms of public expression with the official line. That concept is currently undergoing a renaissance, but not in the 'captive nations' of the East.

"Every morning after arriving in his office at the Propaganda Ministry, Dr. Goebbels would devote himself to the important task of disseminating a directive to all German media outlets, outlining what position on principal issues they were expected to take on that particular day. The media were instructed not only on what to say but – of equal importance – what not to mention. The system Goebbels set up worked like a charm. Under his meticulous supervision, in public discourse an imposing harmony of opinion reigned from one end of Germany to another, undisrupted by discordant voices.

"One wishes that this mechanically imposed harmony, admired as it may have been by some, had come to an end in 1945. But a YouTube bulletin disseminated a few days ago reminds us that it did not.

"YouTube users were curtly informed of the prevailing 'Community Guidelines' on a topic which currently is at the top of the list of public concerns: The Covid-19 crisis."

Karganovich then goes on to list what he calls the "COVID-19 medical misinformation policy." The reason for the new draconian rules:

"To even the least sophisticated it should now be obvious that the thrust of YouTube’s guidelines is not to promote health but to steer patients toward the extremely expensive solutions that have enabled the pharmacological industry to make a financial killing from Covid-19."

As we read further about You Tube's utter irresponsibility, we come to this passage:

"The perceptive reader must by now entertain the logical question: by what right does a private corporation, chartered to make its services available to all members of the public on a non-discriminatory basis, presume to dictate to its users what they may or may not think or post? The same question, of course, can be put to other private corporations which are also abusing their privileged position in order to impose ideological tyranny. Twitter and Facebook come to mind.

"And where are the public authorities to reign in these unhinged private tyrants? The state, indeed, seems to have withered away, exactly as Marx predicted, or it may simply have merged with private corporations to lay the foundations of fascism, as Mussolini is alleged to have said. The state’s unsavoury role in this assault on freedom of expression is of particular concern. While passively subcontracting the dirty work to private corporations, it can perfidiously claim that no formal curtailment of personal liberties is taking place. The First Amendment remains technically intact since it is not the government that is undermining it."

Clearly it's well past time to create new platforms to replace those that can't be trusted anymore, and we should include a host of governments in that group.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2021 0:45 utc | 152

Wow, John McCloy is the prototypical deepstater. I just read his bio. He was on the warren commission and was dulles point man in pushing the lone gunman scenario.

Posted by: Platero | Nov 29 2021 1:37 utc | 153

Misotheist at 141

For what happened to vk see MoA 11/21/22 comment 132.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 29 2021 2:37 utc | 154

@99 librul

Thanks for that link. It sources back to Jeffrey Tucker at the Brownstone Institute, whose work I enjoy. Here's the original link:

A President Betrayed by Bureaucrats: Scott Atlas’s Masterpiece on the Covid Disaster

This is a first review by Tucker of the book by Scott Atlas, White House advisor to Trump, regarding the national response to the pandemic. Tucker promises to write more on this.

I like Tucker a lot. He has written articulately on this crisis of the last two years (see his recent How Fanatics Took Over the World, the story of how national pandemic planning came into being starting in 2005, for an example). I confess he seems a little more excited by this book than I can get from his review - but I haven't read the book.

Tucker describes the Atlas account this way:

Atlas’s book has exposed a scandal for the ages. It is enormously valuable because it fully blows up what seems to be an emerging fake story involving a supposedly Covid-denying president who did nothing vs. heroic scientists in the White House who urged compulsory mitigating measures consistent with prevailing scientific opinion. Not one word of that is true. Atlas’s book, I hope, makes it impossible to tell such tall tales without embarrassment.

...

Fortunately, we now have this book to set the record straight. It gives every reader an inside look at the workings of a system that wrecked our lives. If the book finally declines to offer an explanation for the hell that was visited upon us – every day we still ask the question why? – it does provide an accounting of the who, when, where, and what. Tragically, too many scientists, media figures, and intellectuals in general went along. Atlas’s account shows exactly what they signed up to defend, and it’s not pretty.

From Tucker's initial review, it seems clear that Trump's persistent failing, of surrounding himself with the wrong people, extended completely into the national handling of the pandemic. Atlas (and Tucker) seem inclined to think of Trump as sabotaged by the bureaucrats surrounding him, and on whom he relied for (disastrous) advice.

Personally I see this as simply the fruit of Trump's mediocrity and his gravitational attraction of more mediocrities. Either way, the national bungling was blessed by the White House, and Atlas's book seems to reveal the appalling incompetence of all the national machinery as it operated there.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 29 2021 4:28 utc | 155

re Gleichschaltung and Pfizer

1. A more pointed meaning would be "in lockstep" and quite beyond handling a mere pandemic, there is the 'gleichschaltung" of the insanity put upon us by the Supreme Court's decree that corporations are persons and worthy of the rights of persons. It is a very real poisoning of the human mind that such was a mistake by an official court-reporter and never in any written SC opinion.

Thom Hartmann was my first source on this sickening affair. As for Pfizer, well over 10 years ago he wrote:

" Because Pfizer is a corporation--a legal abstraction, really--it couldn't go to jail like fraudster Bernie Madoff or killer John Dillinger; instead, it paid a $1.2 billion "criminal" fine to the US Gov--the biggest in history--as well as an additional $1 billion in civil penalties. The total settlement was more than $2,3 billion--another record. None of its executives, decision-makers, stockholders/owners or employees saw even 5 minutes of the inside of a police station or jail cell." *

2. I'll only mention in passing the widespread and unresolved curse of language, especially in regard to mis-translation as the bane of communication. That's another, relevant viewpoint.

* From Hartmann's book Unequal Protection

Posted by: chu teh | Nov 29 2021 4:49 utc | 156


What’s the spooky 5+1 eyed MSM saying?

The Groaniads Luke Harding and Chulov are reporting from Calais about these who are crossing to get into the U.K. - I see photos of well nourished guys disembarking from Naval boats - it like like a set up and final evacuation of head choppers of Idlib.

Meanwhile there seems to be a clamour by disreputable MP’s to let MORE refugees in from Hong Kong even if they don’t qualify and their parents don’t want to come to Little Britain. No numbers of how many have been evacuated from the failed insurrections there or reports of the trials of these who shout they were just ‘following orders. The hypocrisy is stunning let some drown, snuggle in many others and officially thousands of HK freaks!

Finally Patrick Wintour ties himself into knits trying to keep the JCPOA being reinstated - USA not allowed unless they backtrack and commit never to repeat , apparently Dozy Joe says he can only commit his executive to that - they are in Vienna, where Treaties are loged even secret ones that last centuries! Apparently the only objection he has about the lead negotiator is that his English is not fluent and it will be hard for him to understand! The backward peasant!!
A tad bit xenophobic??
The 5+1 eyes are dumb dumb dumb they are going to LOSE everything through such hubris. In 50 years they will be rotting in their exceptional backwaters begging for Eurasian and Africans to spend their money in these crumbling castles of Empire.

Craig Murray will be freed at 10 am - a legend.

Julian still tortured and His leaders don’t give a damn.

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 29 2021 5:39 utc | 157

@ migueljose | Nov 28 2021 22:55 utc | 143

miguel... i mostly interact with musician friends here on vancouver island... a hot topic has been covid, vaccines and the passport idea... i have talked about this with some of my immediate neighbours as well - a 74 friend who is super knowledgeable about gardening, but mostly i communicate in person with musicians i know from about the age of 24 - to 75.. in canada up until sept 2021, a person could get a few grand a month if they were out of work, but not since oct 2021.. here in canada if you want to do music performance, you have to have the vaccine and a passport to prove it... i have musician friends who rely on gigging that haven't gotten the vaccine, and a few other close non musician friends, including my brother who haven't gotten the vaccine.. i empathize with them and i think it's wrong for the vaccine to be forced on people, including the musicians and friends i know who are shut out from performing in the live performance venues here... there isn't a lot of consensus on this topic, but my own feeling is it's wrong to coerce people into having to take them to the point they are shut out of work as a result...as i see it - this is clearly wrong.. i know many people including myself who've had the vaccine and no side effects.. i know a few who have had side effects, but nothing threatening, so far as i know..

obviously canada is not the same as usa, in terms of the gov't response and policy in general.. we have social medicine here still, whereas that is not the case in the usa... we've been given fairly generous hand outs - as far as i am concerned as working musician- while this is not the case in the usa.... my neighbour - 74 years old - i would consider quite bright.. he thinks anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is crazy, but i challenge him on this.. it is hard for most people to get outside the norm, or act independent from the masses.. my brother is quite capable on the other hand, and i tend to think i can be as well, but could see i would be fighting an uphill and ongoing battle if i opted to not get the vaccine, in terms of my work.. like i said, i don't agree with it and the further we go into this, the more it is clear there are a number of issues that don't add up here.. i had a rehearsal earlier today with 2 friends - both early 30's... they haven't followed this too closely and since we are doing 5 gigs in the middle of december the topic of covid came up... i just can't avoid it and find it seeps into many conversations, which is why i am a bit more stern when i see it on threads that aren't about covid.. i am very tired of seeing it discussed, and yet it has to be discussed because it or the set up that has led to this, doesn't appear to be going away any time soon...

back to my 74 year old neighbour.. he is a keen fan of british literature.. he was born in south africa, but from uk parents... he left uk when he was quite young - on his own - at 19 or 20 years of age and has lived in canada since.. he motivated me to read 3 h.g. wells books the past year and i am considering some other authors too.. they were his books which he lent to me.. other neighbours here we are on good terms with.. the one exception would be the house immediately west of us where the owner lives in vancouver, but is using the house next door that he owns as a money extraction thing - renting to tenants up and downstairs.. the tenants are great but he is a shit.. such is life... he stays away and does as little as possible, as it would cost him money and he is only interested in pulling money out of the place - not putting money into the place... i wouldn't want him as a landlord, but i generally have very little respect for landlords as a rule... i suppose it is a byproduct of the society we live in at present which has gone into rampant real estate speculation, not concerned about the downside to this obsession..

the other neighbour i was quite close to - jack - died about 3 years ago - just prior to covid - at the age of 98... i used to visit him regularly, but he's gone now.. fascinating man with a good mind.. his wife died about 5 years before him.. he helped me put the bathtub and double doors downstairs in our house in his late 80's.. he was a contractor who had built houses all his life and knew all the trades... he built his house down below where we live in 1946 after he came back from the war.. there are some young people in the house now who rent... i haven't gotten to know them well yet, but know the mans name - bernard - from alberta - who makes bed frames for a livelihood - our of the shop at jacks place which is also included in his lease agreement.. it is on 1 1/4 acres and the new owners are sitting on it for r/e speculation purposes.. it is one of the bigger lots very close to the downtown city core here..

i have a lot of connections in this community from being here 18 years and being out in the public more... it is mostly great and i can't imagine living anywhere else, although i enjoy travelling... well, you got me talking, but not sure if any of it is all that relevant.. i am just another person looking for some community and connection where ever i might find it..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 5:47 utc | 158

When you take too many antibiotics, you get antimicrobial resistance. Therefore, if you apply same logical progression for viral infections, wouldn't the original vaccine and subsequent boosters for each mutation create a vaccine resistant Super-Covid?

So now a Supervaccine is being researched, huh?

First, let's keep in mind who benefits ($$$$$) in all this, and then question whether we are not in fact creating a more complex Superbug. Supervaccine= Resistant Superbug? Where does it end?

If Omicron proves to be vaccine resistant, then that would mean the virus is now mutating one step ahead of science. This would represent a major game changer.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 29 2021 6:01 utc | 159

saNOtize has been running trials for the past year and it appears to be registered for use in most countries. It is based on nitric oxide as a nasal spray. These users could be the control group that Fauci detests.

Regardless of the efficacy of this clever and simple pharmaceutical, the doctor that first reported the Omicron (or moronic) variety of covid is adamant that it is minor and not considered alarming in her view. She treats the patients and has the experience.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 6:22 utc | 160

@86 Piotr Berman
At the beginning at the Ukraine War Transnistria made a formal request of joining the Russian Federation. At roughly the same time there was an organized take-over attempt at Odessa. (The Russian activist group was completely wiped out by an Ukraine mob.) Both events are highly important because they indicate the geographic scope of the original Russian war goals. This wasn`t about Crimea and some regional autonomy in a small land strip in eastern Ukraine. This was a about dividing Ukraine with
Russia taking the east and south of the Ukraine.

Posted by: m | Nov 29 2021 7:07 utc | 161

uncle tungsten @160

It gets simpler with nitric oxide. Nasal breathing produces nitric oxide in the exhale. Humming produces nitric oxide 15 fold compared to "quiet" exhalation:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8340570/

Posted by: Gulo | Nov 29 2021 7:30 utc | 162

Apparently "Anti" Empire, which now holds that Jair Bolsonaro is a "hero", is unhappy because Moon Of Alabama isn't joining in on its covid obsession.

https://anti-empire.com/moon-of-communism-famous-early-covid-maoist-penned-just-two-lockdown-ish-articles-in-entire-2021/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 29 2021 7:33 utc | 163

@ karlof

Thank you for posting important excerpts and your own pithy summations of dense material I wouldn’t have sought out!

Posted by: son of spam | Nov 29 2021 7:46 utc | 164

[Sorry for the divided post. I unintentionally clicked the wrong button.]

The innitial atttempt to achieve this was small groups of military intelligence personal (see Strelkov). When that failed the conflict quickly escalated into a conventional war. The Russian troops in Ukraine received full material support from Moscow (weapons, fuel, ammunition). It`s personell was made up roughly by half of Russian-speaking indigenous Ukrainians and by the other half of various left extremist and right extremist Russians as well as members of the regular Russian military on "holiday" seconded to Ukraine. At the latter stages of the war regular troops of the Russian Federation temporary intervened directly in Ukraine.

So what went wrong? Why were the Russian troops in Ukraine (100% material support and ca. 50% of the manpower from Russian) not able to secure half of the country againgst the disorganised and ill-equipped Ukraine forces? The answer is what Timofeev descripes in point six in his article. There were spontaneous mobs against Russian take-overs but not in favour of them. Ther were plenty of Ukraine volunteers for the newly established Ukraine volunteer formations - including from eastern Ukraine (see Donbass and Azov) - but insufficient numbers of volunteers from Ukraine for the Russian troops. Eventually and despite all the support form Moscow the Russian troops ended bottled up at the eastern edge of the country.


But anyway, that wasn`t even my original point. I never meant to give a history lesson. What I wanted to say is:

1) For a while now b (and with him most commentators in the MoA bubble) regularly comes up with the notion that large-scale fighting might break out soon with Russia taking over half of Ukraine (see here, here andhere). I have each time left a comment that I find this highly unlikely and that I see both sides locked in a stalemate. If have now provided a link to a Russian state media that details why such a scenario is indeed unlikely.

2) If one spends a few more minutes thinking about Timofeev’s article it becomes clear that this goes much beyond mere military considerations. Russia can`t solve the conflict by military means. But it also can`t solve the conflict by diplomatic means. It can`t remain in the current postion because it pays a constant price for doing so (see Timofeev`s points one to six). And it can`t rudder back and hand over Crimea to Ukraine without loss of face. Russia is stuck in Ukraine. The only way for Russia to winning the War in Ukraine would have been to not starting it in the first place in 2014.

Posted by: m | Nov 29 2021 7:49 utc | 165

@ Misotheist

vk ran afoul of community guidelines. According to some here, the guidelines forbid:
- posting multiple links with only short explanation
- posting multiple links with too much explanation or excerpts

even on open threads.

Also soon to be banned are:
- b’s own “week in review” — “link spamming” at its worst
- pure aggregator blogs like ICH, which post nothing but links

Posted by: son of spam | Nov 29 2021 7:55 utc | 166

The pope might visit North Korea if he gets an invitation. Here at NEO https://journal-neo.org/2021/11/26/what-can-the-pope-do-in-north-korea/

That will get immediately owned and corrupted by the Death House in the USA. Apparently South Korea's President Moon Jae-In has urged the Pope to go but lacks the invitation. I sense more commie baiting nonsense in the wind.

The religious belief profile of South Korea looks like this http://everythingkorea.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/1/1/53117629/7376023_orig.jpg

eleven percent catholic, eighteen percent christian (anglican I guess but there are bound to be pentecostals crawling around), 23 percent buddhist, almost 50 percent no religion.

The religious belief profile of North Korea looks like this
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5856234676ccf0a7c2322adf34d673d2-c

1.7% christian, 4.5% buddhist, 13.5% chondoism, 16% Korean shamanism, 64.3% no religion.

Hopefully the North Korean President Kim Jong-Un will remind the pope of the crimes against humanity committed by the West in their invasion of 1950, absence of reparations from the invaders after they were defeated, the perpetual economic blockade of the west and the gross inhumanity of the west in its deprivation of North Korean liberty and means to adequately provide any great leap forward.

Perhaps the President of North Korea will remind this pope of the western crimes against other nations, such as Cuba and Haiti, that continue to this day while the pope consents to these crimes through his perpetual silence.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 8:16 utc | 167

Gulo #162

Thank you, I get my nitric oxide when I hum Solidarity Forever and and some Krishna Das chants.

There is something about it being in a little sniffer bottle that gives it that pharmaceutical legitimacy ;)) I guess the coolaid quaffers will feel more 'correct' if it is in a bottle.

It grows in gardens too and is readily discovered in vege markets. Although this is not the snorting kind.
https://www.royalfruits.com.au/naturally-increase-nitric-oxide/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 29 2021 8:28 utc | 168

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 28 2021 22:03 utc | 124
by: W.B Yeates

Posted by: Grishka | Nov 29 2021 9:36 utc | 169

@ m # 165

Russia can`t solve the conflict by military means.

Yes it can, but the cost is high in civilian casualties

But it also can`t solve the conflict by diplomatic means.

Agreed.

It can`t remain in the current position because it pays a constant price for doing so.

The current position is stalemate so Russia pays no price.

The only way for Russia to winning the War in Ukraine would have been to not starting it in the first place in 2014.

Russia started no war

And it can`t rudder back and hand over Crimea to Ukraine without loss of face.

Crimea is a National Security issue, it's never going to be handed back. Commanders in Sevastopol were tasked with securing 2 targets, the first was obviously the Russian naval port. If you can tell me the second target secured by not so friendly men in black and why it was important I'll give you a cookie.

You're also incorrect in your assumption re: conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

Posted by: nobody | Nov 29 2021 9:45 utc | 170

Circe @159

Good to see you back, I thought you might have been banned! Palestine has missed you!

Vaccine "dogma" holds that you don't vaccinate during an epidemic/outbreak (this is really just a snake oil explanation for why vaccines don't work). The "whistleblowers" Geert Vanden Bossche and Robert Malone are really industry insiders. Its all big pharma and The Great Reset crowd and malthusiasts (and a few useful idiots who have convinced themselves that they are are ushering in a communist utopia!).

However, the real question that people want to ask you is this:- Do you now regret your support and advocacy for Biden and the Democrats? They are obviously doing nothing for the Palestinians?

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 29 2021 10:06 utc | 171

Posted by: m | Nov 29 2021 7:49 utc | 165

Russia is as stuck in Ukraine as the USofA is stuck in Mexico. Neighbors are from God® Luka dixit, you do not pick them up. The USofA did and do not give a f*ck about Ukraine, all they wanted like empires before them was Sevastopol and Crimea, once their big prize became smoke all there is left is spite. Political fiction but the day might come when all states with Spanish names go back to Mexico, and I would not be surprised to see Russian and/or Chinese troops giving a hand to the Mexicans, then the movement of US troops on the Arkansas river line -the true border by treaty with Mexico- will be announced as the hostile intentions of a dead empire.

Take a look at the now infamous School Nº 5 in Sevastopol, uncle Sam was planning to renew it for military headquarters, in sacred land for the Russians. You're doing a lousy disinfo job.

https://www.politforums.net/ukraine/1398141567.htmlntentions of a dead empire.

Posted by: Paco | Nov 29 2021 10:17 utc | 172

http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/5c/2f9228f06e45.jpg

Posted by: Paco | Nov 29 2021 10:19 utc | 173

Misotheist at 141

For what happened to vk see MoA 11/21/22 comment 132.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 29 2021 2:37 utc | 154

22nd of November 2021 at comment 132 has nothing to do with VK :/

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 29 2021 10:23 utc | 174

@ADKC | Nov 28 2021 23:51 utc | 150

"In the book RFK Jr makes the case that Fauci is desperately trying to get a needle in every arm because the unvaccinated constitute a control group that highlights the horrific vaccine injuries. Vaccine injuries are easier to hide if everybody has the vaccine."

I have not read the RFK book, but I have made the exact same point for a long time now.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 29 2021 12:04 utc | 175

Mr. or at best, Mrs "m"
Don t get that worried about how smart and fast the russian acted in Crimean as they were invited.
Because had the FSB foreseen Maidan, Maidan would not have happened.
The new maidanists would simply cut off the use of russian language and denounce the 1997 agreement, thus forcing the ruskies to leave the naval base - and it practically meant the end of the south exit to the Mediterranean...
Do you really think that this mega dream of the pentagon would not be nipped in the bud?

Posted by: augusto | Nov 29 2021 12:08 utc | 176

Paco | Nov 29 2021 10:17 utc | 172

"Remember the Alamo" (and Davy Crockett). Give Texas back to Mexico - without the coon hats.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 12:11 utc | 177

@joey_n:
I hear you and have always respected karlof's POV.
Yes, it is perfectly legit to commiserate with the suffering of non-combatants in the crossfire of war - be they in Hiroshima, Dresden, Serbia or in Yemen and Syria now.
The privation and agony are universal, though it added a horrific nuclear dimension in Japan
However, the point stands: that the devastation visited upon its people is the consequence of Imperial Japan's iniquities. (Even though this historic fact does not impugn upon the civility of its people today.)
But it's out of the park when the Japanese right wing continues to harp on the claim that they, too, are victims of a war that they launched with unbridled barbarity.
Along comes a hopey-changey president who delivers a feel-good speech at the historic scene about `moral revolution', humanity, blah, blah;
in efffect, rehabilitating the aggressor in the salami-slicing push towards its remilitarization.
``There's something dark and old about Japan,'' noted a writer of some 1980s title; it's prolly a-waiting the chance to come out, with some help from its bloodthirsty patron that has been at war for most of its short history.
They deserve each other.

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Nov 29 2021 12:16 utc | 178

Nov 29 2021 12:04 utc | 175

Note that Pfizer has done the same, as they "kindly" gave all their control groups injections "because of Covid".

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 12:40 utc | 179

@138 Stonebird.

More than likely those are feet.

Seawolf is test depth rated for 1600 feet. (490 metres ish) Estimated crush depth is guessed to be about 2200 feet and change.

Whilst the military loves to bullshit with numbers a lot there's a world of difference between 1600 feet and 1500 metres.

Not even Oscars can go down there. OK, yeah... the Losharik can but it's nothing anyone would call a conventional sub.

If you had a submarine down at that depth and anything compromised the structural integrity of forward bulkhead the sub would collapse like a concertina.

What you can see from the sat image is that the nose dome is gone, (it's non structural) the array is wrecked and the forward ballast tank is damaged.

If those really are air pumps that means the forward compartments are also compromised (though it could just be a precaution on their part, it would be a good idea either way) and that could not have happened at depth. The boat must have been shallow.

Posted by: S.O. | Nov 29 2021 12:45 utc | 180

S.O. | Nov 29 2021 12:45 utc | 180

Agreed, and probably very close to the coast. Naughty - naughty. I had heard that the lowest Seawolf could go was about 620-650 metres. From your figures that would be the 1300 ft depth. Probably that was only the "suggested for the plebs" figure, and it could have been lower.

In the vid. I noticed that there were many references to Fibre optics and their being spread out across the ocean. That would only be practical up to a certain distance across the Pacific.
***

Anyway, the Losharik needs a RAAATHER large sub as a mother ship. The Russians are adapting several more subs for this purpose. (BS-64 Podmoskovye, from Hi Sutton - covert shores)

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 13:03 utc | 181

S.O. | Nov 29 2021 12:45 utc | 180

I'm wrong, the 650 metres is x3 to give feet, which is just under 2'000ft

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 29 2021 13:05 utc | 182

https://www.rt.com/russia/541634-melnik-nazi-occupation-compensation/

Breathtaking stupidity. Deeply offend your only allies.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2021 13:12 utc | 183

uncle tungsten # 168

Thank you. That was the most thorough summation of NOs benefits I've read. I hum to My Favorite Things (Coltrane's version) rock climbing, and Clash's Working for the Clampdown before entering the hotel where I work.

I've served cocktails to several ten thousand unmasked guests since reopening in June 2020. Worked with a few dozen staff who got the bug pre and post jab. Tested negative a couple times; tested negative for antibodies 3 times. My unjabbed dentist suggests I could have T-cell immunity. Either way, my immune system has handled everything thrown at it for this long, I'm sticking with the humming boost, and with Dr. George Carlin's immune-tempering protocol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo

Posted by: Gulo | Nov 29 2021 13:20 utc | 184

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 5:47 utc | 158
Fascinating stories and insights. thank you James! Your accounts line up with how you approach topics here at the Bar. As a fellow "peon" I can imagine you are valued by many of your neighbors and family, my guess is that you are seen as "eccentric" or "quirky" by others as most of us here probably share similar labels among our people. Anyway, I appreciate your inputs and your stories show the incredibly rich writing skill I get from so many posters here, also adds a local component to our processing of the world news and helps me stay motivated to localize my perspectives and beliefs.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 29 2021 14:18 utc | 185

https://www.rt.com/russia/541634-melnik-nazi-occupation-compensation/

Breathtaking stupidity. Deeply offend your only allies.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2021 13:12 utc | 183

Indeed. Desperate times call for desperate measures. It is hard to fathom what good result is expected there. Perhaps somebody gets paid.

+++

This fellow brings up Melville & Camus with regard to our common COVID future:

The Lesson Moby-Dick Has for a Warming World

Queequeg’s culture led him to confront the hardest realities of life. As Ishmael notes admiringly, the harpooner had “no civilized hypocrisies and bland deceits,” no tendency toward denial. He had thoroughly enjoyed carving his coffin, and when he lay down in it to check the fit, while suffering from a life-threatening fever, he had shown a perfectly “composed countenance.” “It will do,” he murmured; “it is easy.”

Queequeg’s existentialist determination in the face of dread, his willingness to sacrifice, his caring forethought, made all the difference. And maybe that could be an inspiration. The key to addressing climate change won’t be some abstract injunction to save the planet; it will be about acknowledging interdependence and commonality and accepting responsibility. It will be about returning Queequeg’s favor.

My kind of guy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 29 2021 14:51 utc | 186

At roughly the same time there was an organized take-over attempt at Odessa. (The Russian activist group was completely wiped out by an Ukraine mob.) Both events are highly important because they indicate the geographic scope of the original Russian war goals.

Posted by: m | Nov 29 2021 7:07 utc | 161

m describes a massacre of peaceful demonstrators, with more than 50 brutally killed -- burned alive, beaten to death, as "important event indicating geographic scope...". Rather inhumane.

The regime that persists in Ukraine denies basic human rights, like choosing a language, choosing political convictions, listening to media of your choice, and to expect that the government defends them from murderers. Castes of super-standard and sub-standard citizens were created. All of that should be considered as "geographic scope".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2021 16:01 utc | 187

Interesting overview on China's approach towards food: food security, internal food production development, shaping of citizen's views etc

China's Evolving Food Security via TheDiplomat.com

What is particularly striking is how the Chinese government is looking at all angles of the situation: how it affects the country as a whole, how to address it from import, production and consumption viewpoints, pushing for improved results at multiple levels of government and identifying key factors to address its goals.

Contrast this with how Western countries in general, much less the United States, views the same situation. Of course, the United States is a major exporter of food but the point is the contrast of policies in China vs. other countries in this area is likely similar to contrasts in other areas.

And again, this isn't China Uber Alles.

What is striking (to me) is how the Chinese government is identifying and addressing issues which affect its citizens.

Are Western countries doing the same?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2021 16:03 utc | 188

Are Western countries doing the same?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2021 16:03 utc | 188

We are mainly, those of us who get to decide, worried about grabbing as much as possible before this "opportunity" expires. At least that is what I see, aside from the empty blather which enshrouds us all these days.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 29 2021 16:08 utc | 189

When I visited there ALL Americans were referred to as Seppos. Short for septic tank. Sorry YOUR feelings were hurt lol. Anything we can do to make YOU feel better is okay by me.

Posted by: Boromir Pufinschlong | Nov 28 2021 22:03 utc | 125

So do we ! And I love your handle O Boromir, I toyed with the idea of using "Ichabod Mèriadec Tuggnutter" as mine but Her Indoors told me that I wasn't to use that name under any conditions !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 29 2021 16:36 utc | 190

MMT. MH describes well good mmt vs bad mmt.
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Michael Hudson has conducted another interview centered on the third edition of Super Imperialism: "Falling into Line: Turning Endless Deficits into a Power Base." The Emcee, Kevin Barret, asks all the right questions for a change and the result is grand!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 24 2021 1:04 utc | 358
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‘ Michael Hudson: No, there’s no limit to how much domestic money you can create to spend domestically. Right now, the banks are creating all the credit. And Stephanie says you don’t have to rely on banks to create credit. The government can simply create the credit instead of the banks, and it doesn’t have to charge interest. It doesn’t have to go into debt. Stephanie was my department chairman at the University of Missouri at Kansas City, and we’ve gone around the world together giving speeches and lectures on this. Her logic is quite correct. The problem is that modern monetary theory has been taken over by somebody in a much stronger position than Stephanie—by Donald Trump. And Donald Trump said, “We can just create all the money we want.” And he cut taxes and went on spending and he was willing to do it. Stephanie was the economist for the Congressional Budget Committee and was an adviser to Bernie Sanders. But the Democratic Party gimmick the election to make sure that Sanders and people who were advising him would not have a chance of getting into government. And they chose the Donald Trump version of modern monetary theory, where the government creates money and gives it to the banks. This quantitative easing has created trillions and trillions of dollars, but it’s all been used to buy stocks and bonds and package mortgages. It hasn’t been used to spend into the economy, which is what Stephanie wants. So the question is: if the government’s going to create money, is it going to be spending into the economy, which is what the MMT group that I’m a member of is advocating? Or is it going to be given to Wall Street just to support stock and bond prices and promote financialization? That’s really the the great issue financially in economic policy today.’

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 29 2021 17:02 utc | 191

@Don Bacon #119
A cyber attack on a US sub in the field means the ability to both detect comms going to/from it and to connect to said comms - including breaking top end military codes. A cyber attack compromising sensors means additional penetration into the infrastructure of said submarine.

The idea that any adversary nation would compromise this capability to ram a single sub into a sub-sea mountain requires belief of said nation's military to be incompetent to the highest degree.
Said accident is going to trigger a major investigation - one which enormously risks the likelihood that such interference would be detected. Once detected, the usefulness of said capability is extremely likely to be reduced or removed.

So while truth is often stranger than fiction - the strategic imperatives in this case would militate against any possibility of what you speculated.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2021 17:03 utc | 192

@David K #122
An interesting article.
It has a number of positive points going for it:
1) It isn't the usual nonsense slapped together by people with zero knowledge, credibility or strategic thought
2) It isn't unduly slanted one way or the other.
3) It does mostly make clear what is pure speculation vs. known fact

On the minus side:
1) Every single significant point in the article is pure speculation.
2) There is also an assumption of competence which I cannot speak to one way or the other (but see below). The author says that all sea mounts are mapped - likely true as mapping can be done by satellite these days.
However, that isn't necessarily a trump card since the US Navy's 7th fleet (of which said sub is part) has had numerous collisions with mountain sized civilian ships in the past multiple years - including oil tankers and cargo ships. And running aground.
3) There is also rampant speculation concerning the bow of the sub. The assertion is that bow is missing completely even as the author notes there are no pictures.
I'm no sub architecture expert, but I am fairly confident that a forward dome that houses communications and sonar arrays isn't going to be super high strength, high density hull like the rest of the submarine. In a collision with an immovable object like an undersea mountain, I am not the least bit suspicious that such a sub might lose its forward array.
4) I'd also note that the detection and attack capabilities theorized by the author are completely out of the blue.
a) It is abundantly clear that the author is creating capabilities to fit his narrative - which is a big no no in intelligence analysis.
b) Note further that disclosure of any number of these new capabilities also requires a lot of 12D chess thinking to understand whether they make sense or not - in which public damage to a foreign nation's vessel would constitute the highest level of disclosure possible.

Would China want the US to know it can detect US subs in Chinese territorial waters? Probably to some degree, but certainly not to expose all of its capabilities as that would spur the US to improve its stealth capabilities and/or doctrines.

Would China want the US to know it can not only locate, but locate well enough to attack? Not very clear at all.

Would China want the US to know it can locate, target and then bring in a new capability which approached said sub undetected and disabled (and thus could have destroyed) it? To me, this a complete no go. It is James Bonds villain type "see what cool thing I've got" type action used to blow up the Statue of Liberty/Kidnap the US President and not professional military in any way.

The article's author states it would be done for deterrence purposes - but this isn't clear to me as detection and a formal international protest and/or depth charges would have done the same thing, disclosure/deterrence wise.

So while I do think the author is personally reasonably credible but clearly not an SME, the overall intelligence analysis presented is extremely speculative with almost zero points of validation or potentially validate-able at present.
IMO, it would be thrown in the same pile as "aliens or Cobra Command did it" until some significant number of the major speculations are proven or disproven.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2021 17:37 utc | 193

On Japan, The Bomb, and The Outlaw US Empire:

After the bomb and the fantastic amount of destruction visited to two essentially civilian Japanese cities--the Outlaw US Empire was very keen to prevent any photos or other documentation of the devastation from being published for months after the fact, which provides an insight into how the top brass felt about their deed. It then invented the "to prevent casualties" myth as its justification for a clearly unjustifiable action. It then went about rehabilitating all previous Japanese War Criminals and collaborators and placed them in charge in Southeast Asia, Korea, Taiwan and Japan, just as it did with Nazis and their collaborators in Europe. That was policy coming from POTUS--Truman--although it's very clear that initial Cold War actions were initiated by SHAEF in Italy once it was partially occupied in late 1943. The revelations about McCloy may shed further light on all that. IMO, it's very important to note that Japan was seen as an acceptable Asian version of European Colonialism as it was granted many jewels at Versailles for doing nothing during WW1 instead of repatriating Chinese lands. The signal sent to Japan was unmistakable--you can do what we do as long as it's in Asia. The post-war Fascist rehabilitation also sent a message--Prewar elite domination was to be continued while those forces aimed at levelling capitalist inequities would be fought to death, which was the prewar aim. Do recall that Japan contributed to the White forces during the Intervention War in Russia from 1919-1922.

The key here is to try and discern the reasoning behind the immediate postwar Fascist rehabilitation that in some cases occurred prior to the war's end in Europe. At the distance from today, all that may seem to be unimportant, but that would be mistaken. Today's goal by the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals is the same as it was prior to and after WW2--to ensure no levelling forces emerge in the world to challenge Anglo Empire Capitalism. Today, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, and other nations have political-economies promoting human-centered development with an eye to eliminating inequalities substantially--levelling the Social Order so Oligarchy is eliminated, with Cuba being the most successful so far. Biden's "democracy" show is all about keeping inequity intact, to try and prevent other nations from taking the human-centered development path that leads to genuine democracy which was the entire point of the Cold War. We shall soon see the Empire's reaction to yet another nation trying to escape its grasp--Honduras, whose every prior attempt's been met with horrific reaction by the Empire--recall Clinton's non-Coup in 2009. Outlaw US Empire Fascism in South America is over 100 years old and is a testimony in itself to the genuine nature of its elites. Now it accuses China of practicing the same Dollar Diplomacy in Africa it visited on South America over the past 100 years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2021 17:37 utc | 194

Some of us got there day one.

‘Anyone got any doubts about what happened as being a accidental bit of negligent navigation? ‘

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/when-russian-troops-training-in-russia-are-raising-concerns-its-likely-propaganda.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef027880553c2d200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef027880553c2d200d

November 03, 2021 at 09:39

In other news my scientific vaccine trial progresses. Woke up with severe fever last night- just like in Jan 19! Let’s see what the PCR says.

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 29 2021 17:45 utc | 195

migueljose | Nov 29 2021 14:18 utc | 185

thanks migueljose... i am sure you are highly valued in the social circles you participate in, including here at moa!

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2021 17:46 utc | 196

Some of us got there day one.

‘Anyone got any doubts about what happened as being a accidental bit of negligent navigation? ‘
November 03, 2021 at 09:39
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/when-russian-troops-training-in-russia-are-raising-concerns-its-likely-propaganda.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef027880553c2d200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef027880553c2d200d

Submariners especially these canned up for months are liable to go ‘postal’.

Posted by: D.G. | Nov 29 2021 17:48 utc | 197

@financial matters #191
To be very clear - the "MMT" under Trump sent money directly to Americans and businesses.
The "MMT" under Biden - has sent much less to Americans and businesses thus far, and the "infrastructure" bill is mostly going to benefit large corporations.
Thus characterizing "Trump" MMT as bad but "Biden" MMT as good, not at all clear to me.
Nor is Kelton an outsider anymore - she is embedded in the Congress which has been in place since the beginning of this year.
I am still considerably less than impressed by anything Kelton has said directly as opposed to written about in wonk papers; it may still be that she is the spokesmodel for Democrat tax and spend --> just spend as opposed to any material change in Democrat fiscal policy.
But time will tell.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2021 17:52 utc | 198

Did China disable the USS Connecticut?

Some will recall during one of Gordog's missives I posited the hypothesis that Russia could detect nuke subs from space. That it would share that tech with China makes total sense. The question IMO then becomes, Why would China want to reveal such an outstanding capability to the Outlaw US Empire at this moment in time, and might not the Russians be annoyed?

Yes, there's too much SciFi speculation in the MM blog post. I'm even skeptical at the sat pics of the sub supposedly in Guam. I favor some type of action that confused the sub's navigational system such that it rammed into the seafloor at flank speed, which would do lots of damage and cause casualties. Such an action would allow China deniability. The sort of attack described by MM is something I very much doubt either China or Russia would engage in at this point as it's too overt and gives away too much previously hidden capability. Just planting the seed that its Boomers can be detected and tracked from space is more than enough to seriously spook submariners and force them to question their strategy and tactical methods. Combine that with some sort of underwater EW capability and serious shitting would occur. However, we should note the immediate firing of the sub's CO, XO, and Master Chief Sonar Technician and the reasons cited: "Sound judgment, prudent decision-making and adherence to required procedures in navigation planning, watch team execution and risk management." It appears they were relieved and aren't going to be court-martialed. The term "object" was first used then replaced by "seamount" as the official impediment encountered, although some published reports have used other descriptions, "a massive underwater rock formation" implying something different from a seamount. What puzzles me is why fire the XO unless he was the watch officer; and if so, then the CO ought to have a beef at his dismissal. But of course, we're not given that sort of info. Yet another contradictory statement from USN said:

"Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said that he was confident that the investigations will determine if people need to be held accountable.

“And if they do need to be held accountable, they will be held accountable."

Seems to me three very senior personnel have already been "held accountable" and lost their positions as a result.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2021 18:25 utc | 199

c1ue @198

Agree with your political critique and I would consider Obama as the main culprit in bailing out the banks.

Interestingly MH has more Marxist leaning and most mmt folks want to save capitalism.

But both strategies if done right lead to a more socialist and equitable outcome. The American socialist revolution will have its own flavor.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 29 2021 18:25 utc | 200

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