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November 21, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-090

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other issues:

Criminal Interference Agency:

Guaido is finished:


Alastair Crooke triplet:


Use as open thread ...

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@thomas #156
You're supposedly an old follower - yet clearly you don't understand the difference between ideology and reason.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 22 2021 16:01 utc | 179

Isn't this Thomas the Thomas that threatened to repot B and this site to the German authorities for anti Semitic writings and anti semitism in general? I think it was about 5 years ago or so if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: Scuppers | Nov 22 2021 17:26 utc | 201

@ Cesare | Nov 21 2021 18:36 utc | 29.. thanks for your posts on venezuala and chile.. much appreciated..

@ Posted by: Herrhesser | Nov 21 2021 19:21 utc | 37... quote : "This can't be wasted in picrocholine wars."

i had to look up what the picrocholine wars were! thanks for that... basically it\'s a war about nothing or non important things as i understand it.. that is food for thought especially on this particular thread..

@ William Haught | Nov 21 2021 21:16 utc | 65 / 71.... thanks william...

@ all...

Grandfather: “A fight is going on inside of me.”

Grandfather: “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves (black and white). The black wolf is evil–he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”

Grandfather: “The white one is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you–and inside every other person, too.”

The Grandson ponders for a moment based on his details.

Grandson Replies: “Which wolf will win?”

Grandfather: “The one you feed.”

it was the lunar eclipse on nov 19th - the same day the rittenhouse decision was made and the same day that b posted the thread on this.. ultimately, i think it is good that b posted the thread, it's good that those who participated or watched, got to see the aftermath which is still unfolding..

@ about vk and his banning... i am disappointed in b's response, but it is his blog and decision to make.. generally moa seems like a very tolerant place to post.. my own thoughts on vk is that he was basically harmless... i do find it interesting which posters will or won't engage here at moa.. i had very little interaction with vk and remember asking him a few questions which he didn't initially reply to, but he eventually did... most of the time i skipped over his posts... for those who appeciated his input, i respect that!

i didn't follow the rittenhouse thread... i sensed a lot of acrimonious and incendiary commentary... if i want to read that type of commentary, something is wrong with me! clearly though, a number of posters were very attached to it all.. to each their own i suppose...

thanks b and to the many insightful and thoughtful posters who grace this space... thank you!

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2021 17:28 utc | 202

Biden poll ratings continue to fall:
Latest Quinnipiac poll results on Fox

But this is the most interesting:

those questioned in the poll said by a 46%-28% margin they would want to see the Republican Party win control of the House of Representatives if the midterm elections were held today, with 16% not offering an opinion. And by a 46%-40% margin, those surveyed said they’d like to see the GOP win the Senate majority, with 15% not offering an opinion.

I am looking for past Quinnipiac polls to get an idea of what this may mean, but it sure looks ugly for the Democrats in 2022 at the moment.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 22 2021 17:28 utc | 203

@ Scuppers | Nov 22 2021 17:26 utc | 202.... i think you are right about that... some people fortunately, have long memories... thanks for saying that..

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2021 17:31 utc | 204

Ah yes, Richard Steven Hack or RSH, the self described anarchist who spent all his time defending the status quo.
Posted by: Down South | Nov 22 2021 17:04 utc | 198

I saw him posting on the saker the other day. Same old crap, straw man arguments and splitting hairs. Saker brushed him off pretty easily.

Posted by: Scuppers | Nov 22 2021 17:32 utc | 205

For those of you interested in Turkey's potential embargo on Russian military ship traffic:

a. There is the Montreaux Convention, signed in 1936 and amended since. In part, it reads:

"Turkey was authorized to close the Straits to all foreign
warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it
was authorized to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at
war with Turkey. "

Absent the "at war" rationale, the treaty allows commercial and military traffic, all flags all purposes.

b. Here is a website that shows real-time ship traffic thru the Bosphorus and into the Black sea.. You can click on the little green and red symbols to get an idea of what type of ship it is, where it's bound, and who owns it.

Back in 2015 Russia and Turkey went round about this same issue, as their interests in Syria aren't aligned. This is the latest iteration.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 22 2021 17:39 utc | 206

My @199

Correct spelling for Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev.

c1ue | Nov 22 2021 17:17 utc | 200

I think we agree there.

A major problem with a "revolution", is who is going to carry it out. I would like to see a "citizens" revolution, but the Davos crowd want to have their own "revolution" using chaos as the catalyst. (By Davos; this includes the Oligarchic setup, the Political lice, the miltary and industry, as well as the originators)

Even a "citizens" revolution is going to be based on tribal and "national" affiliations, which is not a bad thing by itself. Meaning that old time-tested behaviour will make a comeback (ie. in a tribal situation at least)

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 22 2021 17:40 utc | 207

So now, when someone drives a vehicle into a crowd, in the four states mentioned, the perpetrator is protected. This is institutionalized fascism.
Posted by: Pnyx | Nov 21 2021 15:14 utc | 6

Not so fast! The law only protects non-Muslim white far-right drivers driving into "Communist" or GLBT protestors - unwritten mandatory condition. If the driver is Muslim he must be shot dead by police minimum 6 times and then charged with terrorism - unwritten mandatory condition. If he is black, he gets shot dead then accused of carrying a gun. In all other cases the driver gets charged, and if a lefty, jailed.

Coming soon in Democrat states in your favourite MadLand: same protection for BLM drivers driving into Trump supporters.

Posted by: BM | Nov 22 2021 17:41 utc | 208

Yes i am and it really helped to shut down these Fascist assholes. B had to acknowledge that history gives us - the people - some means in hand which even he in his Hamburgian isolation from peoples fights worldwide can't ignore
Happy to be censored again, i'm missing vk but will meet him again with the fighting suppressed classes in the Amerikas

Posted by: thomas | Nov 22 2021 17:48 utc | 209

Maybe the fascists make bigger donations to the blog. Explains MOA take on murder and censorship of those who oppose it.

Posted by: Joe | Nov 22 2021 17:52 utc | 210

Heir Shrump won't allow the same protection for BLM drivers driving into Trump supporters.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Nov 22 2021 17:54 utc | 211

Coming to a country near you.

Just so you all realise how the EU is screwing itself up. it is now -48°C in Ust-Aldansky district of Yakutia. The fact that the Russians are building heatable barracks for troops in Crimea should have been a warning sign. PS. I wonder if Ukie tents have a hot water system?

Even Alaska has reached very low temperatures two weeks earlier than usual.


The early onset of cold weather is going to catch a lot of people by surprise. But we should note that Palestinians who have had their homes bulldozed, refugees on the Polish Bulgarian border and Afghanistanis will be amongst the hardest hit.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 22 2021 18:04 utc | 212

@204 c1ue - re: Quinnipiac poll

They're a pretty good polling house. Serious trouble for Dems.

Self-described independents are breaking 4:3 for Republicans for control of the House, which might be the statistic that is more immediately relevant (vs the almost 2:1 against Biden personally).

Personal gut feel is that it is driven by the effect of inflation, although the poll ranks 'political polarization' and 'economy' higher as national problems, with 'inflation' and 'immigration/border' close behind .

Posted by: ptb | Nov 22 2021 18:10 utc | 213

@201 c1ue: Replies interleaved below.

c1ue: But that's not the point. The point is that the Black Sea/Bosphorus is a 2nd entry point into the MacKinderian World Sea which isn't weeks sailing removed from the Russian population centers.

Tom: The fact that Bosphorus is essential for free trade thru Black sea is obvious to all. The question I posed is "does Russia care about military ship embargo". My assertion is that it may not be all that big a deal:

a. It's been threatened before, never came to be. (2015).
b. Naval surface warfare involving Russia happened last...when? 1945? Been a while. I'm trying to recall an instance...
c. Combat in that area, should it happen, won't be naval

c1ue: As for your supply ship quote - that was very ill thought out.
Tom: and that was gratuitous. Too bad you contaminate otherwise interesting remarks with that sort of trash-talk, c1ue. It diminishes your delivery.

c1ue: How is it wise, in any way, to send a civilian cargo ship filled with weapons to a war zone, unescorted? Fail
Tom: happens all the time. And most of the stuff militaries use isn't weapons. Fuel, food, clothing, beer is most of the tonnage if troops are involved. Russia's active military presence in Syria, as I recall, is mostly air-based. I don't remember any tank battles. Point being that a brief interruption of Russian military ships transiting Bosphorus may just not be a big deal.

c1ue: Nor is your flip China comment very insightful. Xi is not Putin's bitch; any favors Russia asks from China will be accompanied by demands.
Tom: there you go with that smart-mouth again. Totally unnecessary, and diminishes the utility and credibility of your response.
On to the point: China has very powerful reasons to cooperate with Russia. SCO, BRI would not be possible without major evolution of the Russia-China relationship. Relationship: "work together to achieve common goals". Would there be reciprocity? Very likely. China needs help, too.

C1ue: China and Russia are friends for the moment because the US is pushing them together; there are numerous historical conflicts which still exist.
Tom: there are numerous historical conflicts which still exist between Mexico and the U.S. Yet somehow...we can cooperate. Ask Mexicans how they feel about Texas, NM, AZ, CA.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 22 2021 18:12 utc | 215

u.s msm/demonrats in full whitewash mode of the terrorist driver, they are seen on twatter to say "he was running from a fight" so he is the real victim.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 22 2021 18:13 utc | 216

@Posted by: c1ue | Nov 22 2021 16:55 utc | 195

The fractions within the capitalist class can fight pretty dirty, Trump represents a very different fraction than the ultra-globalists who have dominated the Deep State since the late 1970s. More a domestic bourgeoisie (real estate, extractive industries etc.) that depends on the health of US society and the domestic economy. After 1/6 he very much understood the domestic colour revolution playbook in operation to destroy him and the political power of his class fraction.

The different fractions will compete, but will also come together when overall class interests are threatened - as with the latest bill that threatened state intervention against monopolistic profit making (the pharmaceutical companies), the ability to beat down the working class by putting back in place some of the social safety net gutted by Bubba Clinton. They also managed to sneak another nice tax cut and a whole bunch of corporate subsidies as well.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 22 2021 18:17 utc | 217

Why this nonsense talk of closing the straits to Russian ships? It's not going to happen. Legally, Turkey could only do so if they declare war on Russia. Not going to happen. I know the Russian media floats stuff out like this from time to time, but it is just to get a reaction...for readership. Take it for what it is.

Posted by: norb | Nov 22 2021 18:18 utc | 218

@Posted by: norb | Nov 22 2021 18:18 utc | 219

Agreed, also the Turkish economy would be destroyed if Putin banned all economic relations and cut of the gas transit (then Europe would really be fast-tracking Nordstream 2!). Erdogan may be a little crazy, but not crazy enough for him to trust the US like this while burning his bridges with Russia - he saw what happened to Gaddafi when that leader let down his defences. Xi is definitely Putin's "bitch" but China would certainly not be impressed with Turkey going full US vassal and harming its allies strategic interests.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 22 2021 18:25 utc | 219

I meant to say "Xi is definitely NOT Putin's bitch". I have to check fucking everything twice with this fucking spellcheck.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 22 2021 18:27 utc | 220


Would you consider writing a post on the meaning of the terms "left" and "right" in today's world?

During the last few posts, I've seen these descriptions thrown everywhere, but I find them meaningless. They are so meaningless that I blur the words every time I see them, because they are nonsensical - in the true sense that they carry and convey no meaning.

I know what I used to take them to mean, once. And I know what I consider the two opposing schools of thought regarding the role of common resources and their allocation to the benefit of the common people. But the old terms have seemed useless to me for some years now.

And in a new open thread I may try to set down the parameters of this as they appear to me.

All suggestions for a useful framework would be welcomed by many, I suspect.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 22 2021 19:15 utc | 221

C1ue @ 202:

China and Russia signed a friendship treaty back in 2000 or 2001 and they have reaffirmed it since then, at least some time after Xi Jinping became President of China. In that treaty both nations renounced all claims on one another's territory. So border skirmishes along the Amur River will remain past history, for the time being anyway.

Deindustrialisation in China's northeast areas (the historical Manchuria) and the consequent drift of work and young people away from those areas might suggest that this region (Russian Far East / Northeast China) won't be a future source of tension based on fantasies about Chinese overpopulation or illegal migration.

After my own sparring with VK on past MoA comments threads, and noticing his arrogant behaviour and puerile commenting along with the link spamming, I am of the suspicion that he is the troll Matt who used to muck up the comments threads over at the Kremlin Stooge, Off-Guardian and even here. Matt claimed to be a Venezuelan student studying computer science in Canada. His Reddit hashtag was DownWithAssad which he was very proud of. At the KS blog, a commenter addressed Matt in Spanish and he never replied in Spanish. We should have done the same to VK in Portuguese and see what answer we got but it is only just now the possible connection between Matt and VK dawned on me.

Like VK, Matt posted long comments, made crude and infantile remarks, engaged in frequent link spamming and boasted of his left-leaning political views. I have no doubt the troll will try to infest the MoA comments threads again.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 22 2021 19:21 utc | 222

Good morning from Sydney. I see that a decision has been made to purge this blog of certain viewpoints. The libertarian yanks here will be happy the commie has been banned. I guess every good thing goes into decline after a while and this site is no different. The owner of the blog has flown his colours by banning vk when there are others who do exactly the same (sometimes karlof1's posts are longer than the lead article and filled with links). The orthodox Marxist position was valuably offered in many excellent analyses by vk. His satire on Wisconsin was the last straw because it struck close to the mark, so methinks the lady doth protest too much. What a joke seeing people here suddenly thinking of the children. The bar is now a libertarian group hug full of know-alls posturing in a vacuum and arguing over who's better informed on some non-issue.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2021 20:40 utc | 223

Jen #224

Thank you +++

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2021 21:04 utc | 224

It hurts when you are booted.
Especially when you’re booted from a blog with very loose rules.
You’ve got to cross the line pretty badly.
VK is feeling the sting of being ostracized.

VK got what he deserved.
His recent posts were not only in poor taste, but repulsive in the entire context of the past few days.
He couldn’t contain himself, and the previous days arguments and retorts were an example of his lack of decorum or sensitivity.
Good riddance
And bravo to b.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Nov 22 2021 21:07 utc | 225

James @204 nice parable, thanks!

Posted by: David F | Nov 22 2021 21:18 utc | 226

b @133

Sorry to see anyone go unwillingly, but vk was afforded plenty of warning (if not indulgence). Over time, his interesting commentary had become increasingly rote and mean-spirited. Marx was clearly not a fan of religion or religiosity, but did believe in uplifting not merely people's political and economic conditions, but also their human spirits and hearts. The technical Marxist virtuosity vk displayed was undercut by a simple lack of kindness. No matter the debates, barflies in all settings have to care for their fellow travelers.

Posted by: zakukommander | Nov 22 2021 21:43 utc | 227

C1ue @ 171

I usually disagree with you and don’t always even read your posts. But thank you for this one.

I am convinced you are a person, not a bot or agent. In future will attempt to read your posts more often. When in disagreement will lean hard to telling myself “He had his say. He is entitled to his opinion.” Which is a good default in any case. Civility is always a good thing.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 22 2021 21:46 utc | 228

Uncle Tungsten @138

I haven't seen an obit for Đặng Văn Việt either; he died two months ago, so I guess it's there somewhere. I absolutely agree that such heroic lives should be celebrated, and offer faute-de-mieux an article about his life on the occasion of his hundredth birthday.

Posted by: Hope | Nov 22 2021 21:54 utc | 229

I agree with Patroklos in 226 about VK. And yes I'm real. You can look me up in Tallahassee.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 22 2021 21:58 utc | 230

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Posted by: Vítor | Nov 22 2021 21:58 utc | 231

Patroklus and arby

You’re welcome to leave as well, in protest if you like.
Though I doubt b would ever ban you two.

Vk disregarded b’s warnings.
That’s enough for me.

I’d even offered vk praise on an economic analysis a few days ago.
I know his contributions were worthy, most of the time.
But it is what it is. He took advantage of b’s blog, against b’s expressed warnings.
Thus, it was time to go.

It doesn’t mean the libertarians are taking over.
It just means, don’t fuck with b.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 22 2021 22:06 utc | 232

The early onset of cold weather is going to catch a lot of people by surprise. But we should note that Palestinians who have had their homes bulldozed, refugees on the Polish Bulgarian border and Afghanistanis will be amongst the hardest hit.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 22 2021 18:04 utc | 214

Yes, I think we are in for a cold, wet winter.

james @204: Yes, I stayed out of those threads too, a perfect example of what I mean by "I prefer not to deal too much in personalities on the web." Nice parable.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2021 22:09 utc | 233

Moldova tries to play off Gazprom and gets a rude shock.

This from the unbelievable Radio Free Europe:

Russia's state-controlled Gazprom told Moldova on November 22 that it will cut off gas to the country in 48 hours if it does not pay tens of millions of dollars for recent deliveries.

Last month, Chisinau declared a state of emergency and started buying gas from countries other than Russia after its contract with Gazprom, the largest supplier of natural gas to Europe, expired at the end of September, and the two sides failed to agree on details and pricing of a new long-term deal.

But in a breakthrough on October 28, the Moldovan government and Gazprom announced a new price formula for a five-year agreement to keep gas flowing.

"The deadline for current payments is November 22,” Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupryanov told Russian broadcaster NTV, adding that the company “notified the Moldovan side that in 48 hours gas supplies to Moldova will be stopped in accordance with the contract.”

Moldovagaz head Vadim Ceban confirmed that Moldova’s state energy company received such a notification from Gazprom, saying the sum amounted to 1.3 billion Moldovan lei ($73.5 million).”

This is the same government of idiots that caved in to EU pressure to scrap the long term (low price) Gazprom contract for spot value purchases according to the whim of EU money theorists (gamers). Then got a court order in 2021 to cancel the long term contracts and enforce spot purchases. Then was engulfed by the rigged energy price game in autumn and rushed back to Gazprom begging for fixed long term gas price as it was too expensive.

I understand from al Jazeera (the Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece) that Moldova has an older gas debt amounting to $709 Million. Yes dollars that is.

[Moldovan Deputy PM] Spinu said Moldova and Russia had to sign two key agreements, including a deal on Moldova’s old gas debts estimated at about $709m and another on cooperation in the energy sector, or the recently signed gas contract could be annulled.

He said the two deals should be signed in 2022.

“If mutual understanding is not reached between the parties, this will lead to the rupture and annulment of the agreement signed on October 29,” Spinu told a news conference.

He said Moldova would pay about $450 per 1,000 cubic metres of Russian gas in November and the price could fall to approximately $400 in December.

Moldova said last week week that Gazprom had initially demanded $790 per 1,000 cubic metres of gas, raised from about $250 under the contract that expired in September.

Russia had provided all of Moldova’s natural gas until the dispute erupted, but the fallout prompted Chisinau to declare a state of emergency, as well as turn to Polish and Ukrainian suppliers amid a crunch in supply that saw industries forced to curb production to conserve gas for households.

Looks like the EU market price for gas is about to leap to great heights courtesy of the 'free market'. So the solution for Moldova is: dont pay your debts to Gazprom, buy gas from other countries who get their gas from .... Gazprom.

Darwin award with ice for Moldova.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2021 22:26 utc | 234

vk and Gordog had been my favorite commenters here.

vk posts a lot of interesting links that nicely complement the weekly open thread, and Gordog used to write interesting technical posts that aren’t found elsewhere otherwise. They are now both gone from this site.

Instead, we have seen in real time over the past few months that this site has become increasingly overrun by the alt-right people full of misinformation, who have now dominated the discourse of this once open space.

Good luck with this site, but the quality of the comments here have gone downhill for a while now.

Posted by: prism | Nov 22 2021 22:27 utc | 235

prism #239

Good luck with this site, but the quality of the comments here have gone downhill for a while now.

Lets all contribute to make the intellectual capital here the sum of every person's contribution. A collective of wisdom and follies if you wish. Your research and assessments are welcome. Our host orchestrates a rhythm and we are free to support the musical possibility or create a cacophony of trivia.

We are not free to randomly bang on a tin drum, quoting from some idiot sheet music. You will not get drink at the bar for that behavior.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2021 22:35 utc | 236

Oldhippie @ 167:

I missed your comment @ 167 when I posted this morning (see my comment @ 224).

You said:
"... There was another poster here whose name is thankfully forgotten. The supposed computer genius living in an SRO in San Francisco. Posted even more sheer volume than vk. He threatened me with death half a dozen times. And threatened others regularly. He too had a legion of fanboys. All of them equally suspect ..."

Yes that's Matt to a T.

I'm sure the intention was to flood certain comments forums (especially ones likely to resonate with North American MoA barflies) and tie up us barflies in never-ending and exhausting arguments with the aim of dividing us all. This would have had the effect of dissuading MoA readers who don't usually comment here from reading MoA. It would also have generated enough references to keywords like "Rittenhouse" to put MoA in the radar sights of the likes of Facebook (or Meta or whatever alternative reality Zuckerberg wants to take his followers into) or Google or anyone else wanting an excuse to stop people from visiting the MoA blog.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 22 2021 22:36 utc | 237

Posted by: prism | Nov 22 2021 22:27 utc | 239

They are now both gone from this site.
Gordog was banned too? When?

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 22 2021 22:41 utc | 238

South Front has a worthy report of the endless USA crimes against the Korean people here.

Written by Prof Michel Chossudovsky; originally published on Global Research

In this essay, I will be addressing the following issues:

US war crimes committed against the Korean Nation (1950-53),
Fire and Fury and the Nuclear Issue: From the Cold War to the Present
The debate on Reunification and the Sunshine Movement
The Candlelight Movement which led to the impeachment of president Park Guen hye
The formulation of a North-South peace proposal involving the repeal of the ROK-US Combined Forces Command (CFC) under the OPCON (Operational Control) agreement

It is a long read with meticulous attention to detail. It ends on an up note exploring reunification. Following from the botched effort by Trump to develop better communication, this report is worthy background.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2021 22:57 utc | 239

Paul @ 56

Thanks for clarifying why Rudd was toppled. The publicly-touted reason (that he was just too demanding and bad-tempered to work with) never convinced me. That whole episode stank to high heaven.

Posted by: Hope | Nov 22 2021 23:01 utc | 240

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 22 2021 22:41 utc | 242

I didn’t mean to say he was banned, but he has obviously stopped participating in this site for a while now, for one reason or another, something that I truly missed.

Posted by: prism | Nov 22 2021 23:08 utc | 241

I liked Gordogs contributions.
Interesting reads on technical topics.
Broke it down to layman’s terms (@dmittedly my preference)
Wish he still posted.
Didn’t know he’d been banned, but that may be rumor/conjecture.
I don’t recall any admonition from b, directed towards him.
I could be wrong about that.

Juxtapose Gordog with vk’s circumstances, and the latters disposal was timely and well conceived, imo.
Again……..don’t fuck with b.

Good luck and fare well to all the ship jumpers who will search for the VK blog portal somewhere out in the intervertebral.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Nov 22 2021 23:15 utc | 242

Jen @ 241

The process you describe is very simple. Any agency with a small budget could do it. I would expect that Brigade 77 has training classes in the technique. As would others.

Establishing a blog like this one takes time. It takes a fairly unusual personality (like Bernhard) and it takes a lot of time and effort. There are not many places analogous to this place. We are all here because of the intellect behind it. And because it is a place with precious little censorship.

Far less effort is required to destroy than to build.

I don’t know anything about the Matt you describe. I’d started to wonder about the death threat business repeating and lately vk had me wondering with his ghoulish humor. RSH backed off from me when I showed him I knew something about Situationists, a topic he blathered on with no knowledge whatever. vk backed off when I showed him that at least on a few particularsI knew more about Marx than he did.

What we are looking at is a funded project. If the apparatus of State wants go after this place or others the only defense is to have our wits about us. The fanboys are mostly bots, not all. Something about the approach and rhetoric of this agent or agents gets a response. I would wish the bar here was not so broadly gullible. Sad to see State propaganda repeated here, not just RSH/vk/Matt doing that. The sheer credulous naïveté towards covid or Rittenhouse or US military or economic might is disheartening.

Thank you. Putting the pieces together the way you just did is valuable work.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 22 2021 23:17 utc | 243

War in Ethiopia is examined here by Rania Khalek and Jemal Countess. They examine the media whitewash of the war crimes committed by the TPLF.

A one hour utoob.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2021 23:25 utc | 244

For those who say vk is not real and that when he says he lives in Brazil it is just a front, I would suggest that you click on the link that is embedded in his name. He has had a blog with many posts in Portuguese since 2010.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 22 2021 23:29 utc | 245

@Michael Weddington 249
I agree to you, and know about that. And in fact I regret vk's ban, b should have considered to mute him for a couple of days, even a week, to give him the opportunity to regain his senses. Maybe there still is a way, I don't know, but it is up to b. Anyway, vk's conduct in the Rittenhouse threads and after certainly warranted a disciplinary, and ruined most of vk's reputation for many barflies.

Of course, it was a bold move by b to speak out his opinion about the Rittenhouse case, and the defamation campaign by the "liberal" media against the defendant. And it attracted a lot of unpleasant people like the Nazi Nook and others of his kind, and triggered vk to go rogue with a hate campaign against the rule of law and basic human rights. That shocked me, more than all the morons calling a defendant a murderer, a racist, and worse. I had not expected it.

Posted by: aquadraht | Nov 22 2021 23:39 utc | 246

To add, what did people, especially the politically correct, self perceived "left" crowd, expect from b: not speaking out his opinion in a controversial topic?

Posted by: aquadraht | Nov 22 2021 23:41 utc | 247

Michael Weddington @ 249
"For those who say vk is not real and that when he says he lives in Brazil it is just a front, I would suggest that you click on the link that is embedded in his name."

I checked the link, , and that blog seems not to have been updated since 2017.

Posted by: Hope | Nov 22 2021 23:51 utc | 248

Hope, it may be that he was finding sufficient outlet here.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Nov 22 2021 23:56 utc | 249

@237 "james @204: Yes, I stayed out of those threads too, a perfect example of what I mean by "I prefer not to deal too much in personalities on the web." Nice parable."

Then you missed an interesting study in human behavior. It was quite entertaining for a while until it got repetitive and insulting. There were posters who kept changing their identity and others defending arson. Where but MOA can you find such stuff?

I avoided joining in the 'discussion' myself because I found the anger level hard to take.

Posted by: dh | Nov 22 2021 23:57 utc | 250

I think too many posters here are too quick to label those they disagree with as paid opposition.

First, I would posit that there is nothing going on here that is going to change the world, or start a revolution, so why would anyone bother to spend money to subvert this forum.

I have always found this forum to be a place for thought provoking discussion, so possibly an individual changes his perspective, but not the masses.

I personally liked Richard Hack, and don't much care for vk, hence vk has been in my blocked list for a long time.

For those who see paid opposition behind every post that they disagree with, I would ask, where do I find such a job? I would love to sit around all day and promote my ideological ideas to other and get paid for it. Sounds like a dream job! /sarc (kind of)

I continuously seek out others opinions and debate topics with others because I want to be as certain as I can that I am holding the most ethical, moral, and valid opinions/ideas that I can, not because I want to convince others that I know and or possess the capital "T" truth.

Question everything, always, including your own cherished ideas, right up until the day you die.

If any one of us here possessed the capital "T" truth, then we would be the most recent buddha, and I don't think any of us can make that claim.

Posted by: David F | Nov 23 2021 0:00 utc | 251

@ Patroklos | Nov 22 2021 20:40 utc | 226... patroklos... i have enjoyed your insightful and thoughtful posts.. i hope you stick around!

@ David F | Nov 22 2021 21:18 utc | 230... thanks david.. it seemed applicable here especially..

@ Bemildred | Nov 22 2021 22:09 utc | 237... i sense we are soul brothers! thanks for saying that..

@ dh | Nov 22 2021 23:57 utc | 254... i am sure you are correct... aside from your humour i appreciate your insights too dh and typically agree with all you say!

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2021 0:04 utc | 252

Erm, is there any indication on the virgenskamikazes pages that its author is the same one as the vk that posted here?

I see no relation, neither stylistically nor substantially, to the prose that we have come to know vk for on MoA. What if vk simply hijacked/appropriated the virgenskamikazes site?

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 0:08 utc | 253

The majority of posters complaining about the quality of contributions at MoA going down the drain lately have, apart from these unsubstantiated complaints, never posted any contribution, let alone quality contributions to MoA.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 0:22 utc | 254

Biden's corner a great cobalt deal for China from the Congo. Krystal and Saagar track the central role that a business Hunter Biden has a direct stake in played in China's chase for the Cobalt necessary for electric car batteries and other crucial products.

Australian cobalt mining opportunities lose again. Vassals are such long suffering people.

Hopefully rust batteries will emerge on the market as soon as possible.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 0:22 utc | 255

@250 aquadraht - "I had not expected it."

I had expected it, because I had already experienced his "rogue" state over the ivermectin topic, and I had also figured it out previously. He could start off stable, but when challenged he would increasingly grab word salad to make a responding argument. It was a bewildering performance.

Personally, I'm glad that so many people got to witness it in the Rittenhouse thread. He was always that way. I described it as a fragile ego trying to armor itself with coherence, and I still see it that way. It's not pretty. I always have thought of him as a real person.


And that brings us to the issue of who believes what, and from that belief, what does one believe about others?

I observe that the rabbit hole goes deep - deeper than I typically want to go. So I miss the deepest truth. There are ledges all down the rabbit hole, where we each hang, according to our comfort level.

And from those ledges, we try to parse the events of the world and find their cause and meaning.

To me, this is what the discussion threads on blogs such as MoA and several others are about. Commenters offer material: one can dismiss it because one knows better; one can study it because it seems to add to what one knows; and one can see the value in it as being so great that one has to overturn a prior belief, and maybe even move to a different ledge in the rabbit hole.

There is always flow, and this is always dynamic, and it will never reach a point where everyone can say, "Okay, got it." But we can operate with broad consensus on many things, and we can seek solidarity - and have a valid hope to find it - in the only war there is, the class war of top against bottom.


And it seems obvious that the objective of the top is not necessarily to provide that consensus on a particular matter, but simply to sow confusion: FUD; fear, uncertainty and doubt. This alone is enough to forestall solidarity - the one and only thing the powers at the top fear, or need to fear.

Courtesy was invented so that people could interact and never make a mistake that escalated the interaction into aggression (or even self-defense!).

Courtesy is the foundation of discourse. Discourse is the path to solidarity. Solidarity is the only way this war gets won by the common people.

2 cents.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2021 0:34 utc | 256

refugees on the Polish Bulgarian border and Afghanistanis will be amongst the hardest hit.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 22 2021 18:04 utc | 214

As a Polish national for years in Pennsylvania, I am dismayed and alarmed that a spanking new border appeared for my old country, and much closer to the Middle East than any border that he had before. And with refugees! OMG. There was a Polish king that was killed by Turks in Bulgaria but that was long time ago, and he got there only because being a "guest king" of Hungary, and as an impressionable teenager, thought that being a Crusader is a good thing...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 23 2021 0:37 utc | 257

The majority of posters complaining about the quality of contributions at MoA going down the drain lately have, apart from these unsubstantiated complaints, never posted any contribution, let alone quality contributions to MoA.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 0:22 utc | 258

certainly very curious, that.

hilarious to watch, especially all the complete nonentities suddenly popping in to tell us all how valued a poster the excerable vk really was or posting "how dare you!" and vowing never to post here again, as if anyone had ever noticed their presence here before they announced they are leaving.

truely comical behaviour

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 0:41 utc | 258

Grieved@260 re:rabbit hole. Well stated, wish I could have articulated it that well myself.

Posted by: David F | Nov 23 2021 0:52 utc | 259

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 0:22 utc | 258

No it's more like @b lack of moderation to filter out obvious trolls that invaded the boards filling it with insults and name calling comments drowning the other posters out of actual discussion. That long time posters here such as @William Gruff even devolve into one and is comfortable with such presence is certainly not a good sign.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 0:53 utc | 260

Lucci@265 - The billy goat really showed his ass recently, eh? Oh, well, that is what the script is for.

Posted by: David F | Nov 23 2021 0:55 utc | 261

I avoided joining in the 'discussion' myself because I found the anger level hard to take.

Posted by: dh | Nov 22 2021 23:57 utc | 254

I'm not saying I didn't read any of it. But it is not a new thing either, such flame wars, they even have a name for it.

You take what you want and leave the rest. Some threads offer more than others. If you are not engaged in that sort of argument, it's boring and repellent. If you are engaged, then you spend your day upset. I pass.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2021 0:56 utc | 262

It's hard to talk with Americans that has bought into their left right drama. They will not aggree with any point the other makes even if they are true. Probably why they have no centrists camp.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 0:57 utc | 263

The orthodox Marxist position was valuably offered in many excellent analyses by vk.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2021 20:40 utc | 226

To be honest, this "orthodox Marxist" shtick was pretty grating. For example, vk cited that inflation in the Southern and Mid-Western states is currently fastest, and that naturally follows from the theory of value in the scientific Marxism. While theory of value justifies the concept of exploitation of the working classes, I never heard it being used to explain inflation or deflation. Marxist "value" is measured as the sum of labour inputs, direct labor and amortized value in machines, tools and materials that were used -- and required labor to make. In this fashion, the value of highly qualified labor would consist of straight labor plus the value (labor) of the prior efforts that resulted in those qualifications. Thus value of a widget, box of cereal etc. should be in hours (or work), but, alas, there is more than one price that is consistent with the definition. I think the connection between different inflation rate in different states and "scientific Marxist theory of value" was a total bunk and vk is a poseur.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 23 2021 1:04 utc | 264

@Grieved | Nov 23 2021 0:34 utc | 260

Your two cents are worth a million.

@NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 0:50 utc | 263

Actually if you follow the right link, you'll find many more posts. Nevertheless, all have the same style, none are resembling vk's MoA oeuvre in any way.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 1:04 utc | 265

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 1:09 utc | 272

What basic facts? Actually never mind. We don't need that rottenhouse nonsense in this thread as well. You can post it back in Rottenhouse thread. I'll read them there.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 1:27 utc | 266

@267 I saw the Rittenhouse event as a culminating point in an American drama. It's as if a lot of things all came together in one point. Of course there had to be blood.

Probably not the end of it though. Fox News and the rest of the media will keep milking it.

Posted by: dh | Nov 23 2021 1:30 utc | 267

Probably not the end of it though. Fox News and the rest of the media will keep milking it.

Posted by: dh | Nov 23 2021 1:30 utc | 275

Yep. I don't even blame either side in that rottenhouse thread yet they still take it personally lol. I point them that they should blame the media and police that's been dishonest and incompetent. But no it's the other side faults they insist. Honestly the mind blanket is rather terrifying.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 1:38 utc | 268

NotGuilty #272

Such a narrative, spun by very selective amnesiacs becomes:

"... a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
— Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

How about:

"... a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Rachel Maddow (every act, obscene).

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 1:50 utc | 269

on Sunday, presumably legally-armed BLM protesters acted as citizen security for a BLM protest against the Rittenhouse verdict.

The armed BLM persons reportedly . . . wait for it . . . drove across state lines (gasp!) from Illinois to offer "protection," to the (actually) peaceful protesters.

Not that they needed "protection" mind, cos no one was even threatening them.....

Yet, you’re not going to hear about this from propagandists like Lucci.

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 1:54 utc | 270

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 1:50 utc | 281


though as the "across state lines" video makes clear, Rachel was far from the only culprit

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 1:57 utc | 271

Thanks James, you are the soul of civility. I don't post often but I have begun chiming in over the last 12 months after only reading for 6 or so years. I really like all the views here even those who swagger, berate, put down, accuse or generally use every tactic to bully the opposition. There are some colossal egos here, usually complete know-alls who are lords of their mother's basement or else retired boomers, the most privileged and pampered generation in world history. But there are also some very generous souls (Uncle T, James, and so on) that redeem the comments. Did vk lack humility and self-doubt? Did vk like sparring for the sake of it? Was vk a Marxist dogmatist who got off on trolling the libertarian seppos? Sure. Did he make a useful contribution from time to time? Sure, again.

I repeat that I started coming to MoA because b's analysis was provocative, incisive and intelligent. Furthermore, the comments were unlike other sites: it was full of respect, curiosity, mutual enlightenment and enhanced b's own contribution. It's a great and successful model——until you start banning people for views. It's a short jump from that to a fatwa or a KZ lager. Are we supposed to believe b was upset by vk's satirical jab but not equally upset by the tsunami of anti-vax posts that daily saturated his comments board? Or any other loony remarks?

If you don't like someone or their post scroll on until you do.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 23 2021 2:06 utc | 272


I visited VK blog.

My language is Portuguese (born and residing in Portugal).

I noticed that the blog in question was born around a project for the realization and subsequent edition of a comic book.

For a Portuguese-speaking reader, it is easy to see that the script of these drawings already contains what characterizes VK’s posts – the taking of sides for the proletarian cause, the assumption of Marxism as the revolutionary theory capable of arming the working class in the struggle against Capital.

This visit, in my opinion, turns accusations of troll or bot or site theft into delusions or conspiracy and persecution induced by ideological divergence.
The site is so transparent that its header says “Workers of All Countries Unite” (Trabalhadores de todos os países, Unam-se).


Vitor Solha

Posted by: Vítor Solha | Nov 23 2021 2:35 utc | 273

Posted by: Vítor Solha | Nov 23 2021 2:35 utc | 285

As i see them those that call him names are mostly right leaning.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 2:55 utc | 274

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 3:34 utc | 287

Yeah, up is down, right is left, everything's a psyop. When the Pope once denied giving birth to a three-head Martian (as the National Inquirer once asserted) pundits replied "well of course he would deny it". After all the church would be a perfect place to misappropriate in order to disguise one's self as a Brazilian communist, oops I mean alien stalking horse. :P

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 23 2021 3:47 utc | 275

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 4:01 utc | 289

Don't you have a mirror ? Well your posts speak for yourself. Smart kid even finally decides to stick to a handle he think would bait leftists lol.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 4:10 utc | 276

As I've mentioned previously, I don't understand this "left" and "right" designation.

And, as it is used, it seems clear that it's sand in the eyes, a smokescreen, a delusion placed over reality to keep people confused.


I have to attest that every comment I see that uses the direction of left or right, I consider as worthless.

I think that the notion of reality as being described in terms of leftism or rightism is a scam. A total fucking scam.


If these terms had substance we would come to see things clearly from their use. This is how you know what's a good descriptor and what isn't.

But if we end up more confused, then we know that the words have been misappropriated.


Somebody needs to come up with better words to replace the way they're using "left" and "right" - or actually come up with definitions along the way to expand on what they mean by these words - or use different words...or shut the fuck up.

The words are meaningless. "Left" and "Right" mean nothing. One says nothing by using the words. They describe nothing anymore.


And if you disagree that they mean nothing, please feel free to explain what they mean.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2021 5:14 utc | 277

@ Grieved | Nov 23 2021 5:14 utc | 291 who is beating a drum I like to hear...thanks

I don't mean to pile on here but along with Left/Right myth there are the capitalism/socialism/communism/fascism/etc myths used to cloud over what should be public discussion about the level of mixed economies they want their country to support.

If America had a serious public debate about housing/health care/education/government regulation of commerce/etc., the myth of Left/Right would fade into oblivion.

Instead, all we have is the example provided by China that seems to be engaged in an ongoing process of doing that with their 5 year planning cycle.

My issues with vk were about volume of commenting that far exceeded others and not playing fair in the sense of admitting when you are wrong and not just drowning out the opposition with textual white noise.....and yeah, to me, Marxism is just another mythical description of our reality that does us little good textually masturbating about when facing the global public/private finance social contract civilization war that is going on.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2021 5:46 utc | 278

@psychohistorian @grieved

I refers the left right group think exclusively to US Americans as that group is the only one that was too much generalized and rigid. For other not exclusively US i refers them with some terms more specific such as communist, Islamists, Zionists, fascist, etc.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 6:03 utc | 279

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2021 5:46 utc | 292

Marxist is just an idea in similar way that democracy is. The difference why it's hard to prove the idea is because Marxism cover a broader spectrum of areas such as economic system and governance. Democracy as an idea can be satisfied with just an election. How effective the results is not relevant to the idea because presumably they can just re do it over and over again in shorter terms until they find one result that works.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 6:14 utc | 280

Poor vk.
He pissed off the one and only moderator on the blog.
Couldn’t help himself.
It’s the stuff of children.
He got what he deserved

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 23 2021 6:16 utc | 281

Interesting Covid 19 news from the AFR.

More than 300 members of the Australian Defence Force have tested positive this year. No deaths.


Becoming infected with COVID-19 in the line of duty
Jill Margo
Nov 23,
"COVID-19 has infiltrated defence forces around the world, from US bases in Afghanistan to the British navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth and Australian troops assisting police with community safety patrols.
To date, 11 members of the Australian Defence Force have contracted the virus while working on the pandemic response as part of Operation COVID-19 Assist.

More broadly since the beginning of the pandemic, more than 300 serving ADF members have been diagnosed with COVID-19, according to a spokesman for the Department of Defence.
“The overwhelming majority of these members have fully recovered, with a small number of active cases currently being managed in accordance with state and territory health requirements. No ADF members died as a result of COVID-19.”
Through the Defence health system, 98 per cent of permanent ADF members have had at least one vaccine dose, so far, and more than 97,000 tests have been performed.

The spokesman said the low rate of infection within the ADF was a credit to those working in public-facing roles and underlined their ability to work safely in challenging environments.
Over the weekend, a new study revealed that despite the most rigorous controls, multiple introductions and outbreaks of alpha and delta variants of concern occurred in US/NATO bases and camps in Afghanistan earlier this year.
Such detailed information is rare because security policies often restrict reporting of SARS-CoV-2 infections and deaths in the armed forces.
The virtual annual meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene was told 16 independent introductions of SARS-CoV-2 were tracked into four relatively isolated compounds during April and May of this year.
Genomic analysis of 122 samples collected from personnel on the bases found no evidence linking the outbreaks to strains present in the region.
The authors, from the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the US, could not determine the exact origins of the virus but found none of the genomes clustered closely with genomes from the neighbouring countries of Iraan, Pakistan or India nor with genomes from countries providing contract support, such as Uganda."

Posted by: Paul | Nov 23 2021 6:29 utc | 282

Piotr Berman @163--

Thanks for your reply and additional information. From the Decree, it was obvious the goal was strengthening the Donbass's economy and also to pull it completely into the Russian orbit, which I see as the first required steps to complete integration with Russia's political-economy. The many upgrades are not going to be allowed to be harmed by Kiev's many refusals to obey Minsk2, particularly by its terroristic illegal attacks that violate Minsk2. It remains to be seen how Russia will deal with them, but it's already put forth the legal
grounds for whatever it does by invoking the Genocide Convention.

Many wanted to see Russia invade and punish the Ukronazis and their NATO handlers. But as Putin said again in his MFA Speech, Russia needs peace, and he seems to expect normal Ukrainians to break from their yoke and alter the political situation themselves. The suppression of the opposition in this case will only spur its growth, particularly as living conditions further deteriorate versus the albeit belated helping hand from Russia. Ukrainians will soon muse upon what life would be like if no coup had occurred in 2014, for it would certainly be better than the hell now happening.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2021 6:35 utc | 283

Covid is another example of a social issue that is not Left/Right but has been cast as such by the media and the lever movers.

I read tonight that 20% of health care workers in the US have left their jobs in 2021. Are those health care workers Left or Right? As I recall the story it clearly said that the workers disagreed with the way the virus has been handled by health care by administration.....which to me is a mealy mouthed way of saying.....THEY ARE LYING TO FOLKS.

Top/Bottom is our social reality and we will never attain the "ism" myths discussed here but we can, as a species, evolve beyond the jackboot of the current cult of global financial elite that have run our world for centuries. Please factor that into your thinking and relating to others/our bigger world. IMO, public finance is the key to building a more just and equitable world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2021 6:40 utc | 284

Posted by: psychohistorian @ 298

Great comment. You ask pertinent questions. Another barfly asked what is left and right anymore.

The issues are many but it looks like sometimes, only sometimes, some left and some right align, depending on the issue.

They all have their own built in prejudices and their own ideas as to what constitutes real history.

Viva the free exchange of ideas and information on the net.

Posted by: Paul | Nov 23 2021 7:14 utc | 285

I think all the names used for political discussion are or have been reduced to pejoratives and should be ignored as meaningless in any serious discussion. If you don't know well what your words mean, you don't really know what you are talking about, or perhaps haven't figured out how to express it.

That said, I think the fundamental political question is "Who decides for the commons?". "Who decides for us all?" "Who's the boss?" Because somebody is, already. Do we want to have those decisions made by aristocrats and experts and specialists, hereditary elites, or do we want to learn to get along well enough to make those decisions ourselves, collectively? Who do you trust? I offer no suggestions, no system, I think any system will work if we want it to work, and we can always tear down the one we have, as is happening now. If you are just calling other people names, or spouting some dogma, you are part of the problem. I see a lot of that here.

There is no slogan, not neat little system, that cannot be exploited for the personal interest of those who get to decide.

We need to keep crooks and lightweights away from public power. That is the problem. Greedy and self-interested people will always give you that kind of government too. If you are just choosing up sides, you are already on the wrong side, unless what you want is business as usual.

Thanks for listening.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2021 8:06 utc | 286

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2021 8:06 utc | 300

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 9:05 utc | 287

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 9:05 utc | 301

Thank you. Appreciated.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2021 9:18 utc | 288

Hope #233

Thanks for the link to Đặng Văn Việt with that detail on his liberation efforts and especially his books. I would love to get an english translation of his latest: Người Lính Già Kể Chuyện Dân Tộc Việt Nam 4,000 Năm Chống Xâm Lược (The Old Soldier Tells Stories of Vietnamese People’s 4,000 Year Fighting Against Invasions).

That would be interesting to consider but my brief search was fruitless.

They are remarkably beautiful people and a magnificent culture.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 9:58 utc | 289

NotGuilty #271

Across state lines. What a criminal bastard. In his own country he had the audacity to cross state lines (1 mile away). What is that country going to permit next?

In australia you are not permitted to cross state lines without a vax certificate.

Lets go Brandon, we can cross state lines.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 10:28 utc | 290

Cadence Calls #281

Poor vk.
He pissed off the one and only moderator on the blog.
Couldn’t help himself.
It’s the stuff of children.
He got what he deserved

That is quite an achievement of course as from my observation it takes a YUGE effort to piss off the only site moderator here to the extent that he actually shafts you. Perhaps there is a suitable 'ticked of Vic' skit that is worth referencing. I will do some research and laughter.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2021 10:35 utc | 291

If you don't like someone or their post scroll on until you do.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 23 2021 2:06 utc | 272

Words of wisdom...but the current snowflake culture has given rise to people that can't even be bothered to swipe up. I am grateful to MOA for being a respite from the usual western blogosphere neoliberal hellhole. However, recent events have sunk my estimation of this site. First, the travesty of the Rittenhouse article, followed by the banning of MOA's most prominent Marxist contributor. One more strike and Brecht will be calling to have his song back.

Posted by: Jun | Nov 23 2021 11:07 utc | 292

Vítor Solha | Nov 23 2021 2:35 utc | 273

I visited VK blog.

Correction: you visited the link at the bottom of vk's posts.

For a Portuguese-speaking reader, it is easy to see that the script of these drawings already contains what characterizes VK’s posts – the taking of sides for the proletarian cause, the assumption of Marxism as the revolutionary theory capable of arming the working class in the struggle against Capital.

Even to non portuguese speakers the theme of the virgenskamikazes site is obvious. That still does not imply vk's actual involvement with the site in any way. By your reasoning, vk would be Karl Marx himself, if vk's posts had featured a postamble link to one of the many online editions of "Das Kapital"

Yes, vk also liked to pretend to take sides for the proletarian cause, but as was pointed out on MoA many times, if he really were a brazilian, he obviously did not live in a favela or on the rural plains. The amount of time and verbiage he spent on MoA suggests that a hypothetical "Brazilian vk" would be more that a little bourgois.

I speak of vk as "he" because his style of writing and also his general posture in altercations with other posters on MoA strikes me as decidedly male. The author behind virgenskamikazes appears to me as likely female, mostly due to the style of drawing and writing.

There are no a priori reasons to assume that vk is the same person as the author featured on virgenskamikazes, while there are many reasons to doubt vk's entire persona on MoA. You want us to believe your rather shallow argumentation, while dismissing a multitude of reasonable observations as "delusions" and "conspiracies".

The site is so transparent that its header says “Workers of All Countries Unite” (Trabalhadores de todos os países, Unam-se).

"Disinfo Workers of All Countries Unite” seems to be a theme a lot, lately.


As a sign of appreciation of your poem at post #231 (assuming that you are the same Vítor) I shall paraphrase you as follows:

First they came for the fake pretenses, and I did not speak out—because I was not a fake.
Then they came for the link spamming, and I did not speak out— because I was not a spammer.
Then they came for the trolling, and I did not speak out—because I was not a troll.
Then they came with the ban hammer — but there were plenty of sockpuppets left to whine endlessly.
Anonymous poster on the internet

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 11:18 utc | 293

Lurk @ 253

Same thing I thought. A year of those doodles could be completed in an hour. Obsessive manic vk/RSH did not create those.

Organized trolling by the State has been well reported for years. The techniques existed and were used long before online forums existed. Those imagining it does not exist on this page are asleep or trolling.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 23 2021 11:25 utc | 294

I am very much against the banning of Donkeytale, Jackrabbit and VK, even though I disagree with all of them. Also, Ross and Circe, if they were banned (I think Circe just left after Biden won; she wasn't intending to stick around for the fall-out, LOL). Annoying some of these commentators might be but they are not trolls.

Regardless of the censorship issue, it is obvious that some posters have become over-reliant on the MoA blog, particularly during the pandemic - what if this blog was all they had? It is callous of b to just cut them off so abruptly as I suspect that some of these vulnerable souls had got confidence from b that allowing the "vaccine" into their life was the right thing to do.

Also, RSH (who appeared when the pandemic started) was allowed to push his constant fascist, racist (othering), transhumanist agenda on this blog with no problems at all until he dramatically flounced off. I think he sent sock pockets to create a groundswell for his return but none came. However, I regret that RSH left, I would really like to see him pushing his ideas on this blog as we move into an era of compulsory gene therapy treatments; what superpowers do you think we will get with this "smart dust" (© World Economic Forum). The point being that RSH was the most offensive and dangerous of commentators yet he was allowed to push his agenda unhindered, so, why ban Donleytale, Jackrabbit, VK, et al.???

I think MoA is a disgraceful blog for the way it has cheerled the pandemic. Also, b has soft-pedalled the threat of war with Russia and China, is wrong to suggest that US/West had no real concerns and was not pushing for some kind of conflict, and at the same time failed to recognise that both Russia and China are also being much more assertive (displaying weapons and engaging in tension). In all these cases b has sheepdogged (as Jackrabbit, would say) his followers.

Reinstate Donkeytale, Jackrabbit, VK and any others; b can ban me permanently if he wants; I really don't care.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 23 2021 11:27 utc | 295

“OMG, I can’t deal with these messages from vk! Ban him!”

Am disappointed to see people here holding POV’s censored elsewhere become censors themselves and write paragraphs explaining how some posters (especially vk, rsh) should be denied the ability to express themselves here in a forum where many other readers come to see comments from those posters as well as occasional responses from their critics. You’re not so different, after all, from TPTB.

Yes, they can all set up their own blogs. No, it won’t be the same as having them in one room and occasionally interacting with each other to the point that the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. It drew out responses they would not have made in isolation.

Most of the time I skimmed if not skipped the article and go straight to the comments. I knew people’s writing style and skip over certain authors or read the thread backwards to see the author name first. By comparison, you censors seem quite lazy.

I’m disappointed you value your laziness and righteousness more than letting people communicate.

Posted by: son of spam | Nov 23 2021 12:06 utc | 296

ADKC | Nov 23 2021 11:27 utc | 295

A while after RSH's departure from MoA it struck me that if he was in real life who he claimed here to be, he might have been on of the many COVID-19 victims in the USA. He sounded like someone with a far too high blood pressure, probably with all the concomittant medical issues. Those particular cases generally do not go well when infected.

Was Jackrabbit banned? I haven't seen him for a while, but I missed the formal announcement.

Unlike many newly-disgruntled commenters (both oldtimers and first posters), I am not of the impression that b's banning policy is based on political positions.

Donkeytale was clearly hell-bent on pulling b's chain. Vk was warned not to link-spam, and reacted to b's request in a most petulant manner. This simply forced b's hand.

I agree that some of the newly arrived posters in the Rittenhouse dumpster fire topic show very questionable behavior. However, there the whole thread is filled with crass language and general rudeness, from all sides of the "discourse". B would have to ban a lot of posters at the same time. I expect that if these new arrivals keep coming back to MoA and keep up the insults and shouting matches in regular topics, they will not last long here.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 12:16 utc | 297

BTW, b regularly deletes posts by me related to the coronavirus. When I respond to the censorship with reasonable arguments (as opposed to throwing a fit and shouting insults), he never deletes those responses. Nor does he ban me for occasionally saying things that have been declared taboo.

B is easy with the delete key, but getting banned here is somewhat of an accomplishment.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 12:21 utc | 298

@son of spam | Nov 23 2021 12:06 utc | 296

Vk was banned not for his opinions. He was warned to stop link-spamming. He reacted to that by petulantly ignoring the warnings and was predictably banned. I estimate that the ban was for both his spamming and petulance.

Standing up in a conversation and loudly singing "LALALALALA!!" does not contribute to a sum greater than its parts.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 12:29 utc | 299

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2021 12:16 utc | 297

Those new arrivals as far as I've observed only interested to gloat about their victory in KR case. Some victory yes but they do hard to come by when Brandon is the president.
Some of them even uses multiple handle names with childish troll names trying to bait the 'left' in the threads.
As expected they don't really show up in other threads where the contents aren't to the usual liking of crass base of the US right wing where the content where US usually shined not in a good light.
If b started China bashing article i can bet they'll came back in droves.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 23 2021 12:43 utc | 300

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