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November 19, 2021

Kyle Rittenhouse Is Not Guilty

The jury in the contentious Rittenhouse trial has made its judgment.

On the five counts Kyle Rittenhouse was accused of it found: Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. The decision was unanimous.

Some here have repeated the 'woke' media claims which falsely accused Rittenhouse of being a racist murder.

For starters the three people he shot were all white just as he is. In each case he defended himself from people who directly attacked him. They were obviously seeking to severely harm him.

All the available video evidence, aptly combined in this 13 minute clip, proves that the verdict is fully justified.

It also confirms the judgment I had made on August 27 2020 after reviewing the evidence:

Yesterday a white teen with a semi-automatic weapon had the stupid idea to join others in 'protecting the businesses' in Kenosha from further looting. He ended up killing two people and wounding more after he was attacked by some of the rioters. The teen was arrested and he is facing charges but I doubt that he is guilty of more than sheer stupidity and manslaughter in self defense.

The case the prosecutors had was very thin. I doubt that they will try to appeal the case.

I am for one satisfied and happy with this outcome.

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Posted by: figleaf23 | Nov 21 2021 17:14 utc | 501

Democratic politicians rush to canonise dead pedophiles and other criminal degenarates

The pedo dwarf has now been rechristened "JoJo" in a scurrilous an attempt to burnish his image as a sweet harmless little victim

1/4: My thoughts are with the loved ones of Anthony Huber and JoJo Rosenbaum, who were killed by Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020. Both men should still be alive today.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 17:17 utc | 502

"across state lines!"

delusionals don't do reality, it seems.

Mayor Bill de Blasio

Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum are victims. They should be alive today.

The only reason they’re not is because a violent, dangerous man chose to take a gun across state lines and start shooting people

Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 17:26 utc | 503

arby @507


Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2021 17:47 utc | 504


Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 17:59 utc | 505

jen @ 372 you misread my post. My point did not concern right or wrong in legal terms; it was totally aimed at the problem of the proliferation of guns, inadequate laws preventing minors from having access to same. I did not concern myself with the trial because that problem is paramount for me.

Even Plato, in his dialogue describing appropriate education for the guardians of the state, drew the line at having minors participate in battle with the weapons of the day. He specifically says that children ought to observe the activities of war, as an appropriate part of their education; he does not say they should participate. The dissolution of empire is evidenced when children are brought to the battlefield to fight, as we know from the disintegration of the Nazi armies, and back in Greek times when old people and children were sent out to fight. It's a sign of a country's fall from grace when this happens.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 21 2021 18:14 utc | 506

@ Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 17:17 utc | 505

1/4: My thoughts are with the loved ones of Anthony Huber and JoJo Rosenbaum, who were killed by Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020. Both men should still be alive today.

No, you're not. Stop lying.

Posted by: vk | Nov 21 2021 18:17 utc | 507

Posted by: vk | Nov 21 2021 18:17 utc | 511



poor vk, doesn't get it....

... but then, he never did, did he?

Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 18:23 utc | 508

The three shot by Rittenhouse seem to be Jewish. I wonder why there have been no allegations of 'anti semitism'...?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 21 2021 18:35 utc | 509

"across state lines"

Lying Congressional Democratic party scum claim arson looting and rioting while armed with deadly firearms is "First Amendment-protected protest"

Rep. Nadler
This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest

Posted by: LOL | Nov 21 2021 19:04 utc | 510

Some time ago a right-wing intellectual in my country (by now officially designated as an extremist by the state) published a rather favourable book about Marx (actually an anthology by various authors). Another right-winger - more a right-liberal - had, among others, a book disctribution service running and since it is a bit of an unwritten rule among right-wingers to not make additional trouble for one another despite not having exactly the same position it was generally expected that the book would by available by the distribution service, too. NOPE. The right-liberal saw the horrible "M"-word in the title and cencored it from his service, igniting a minor fead in this manner.

Vk`s position is consistent with Marxism. According to Marx the state and with it the judicial system is just another front in class struggle. In capitalism a tool of the bourgeoisie in order to keep the proletariat down, in socialism a tool of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Wherever Marxists came to political power at least the innitial position had always been that the purpose of a trial is not to establish truth or to do justice but to serve as a public relations tool ("show trial") within the framework of class struggly. This is just what vk is doing here.

What I find truly noteworthy is rather WHICH class interests he is fighting for. BLM, Antifa, "defund the police" etc. etc. - b did just a few days ago point out that this is a deliberate strategy of tension by - in Marxist terminology - the Großbourgeoisie!! It was of course entirely clear from the beginning that deliberately creating a state of lawlessness (from which only the working masses suffer) would eventually produce some form of vigilantism. This in turn would then be presented by the MSM as the rise of fascism and the imminent takeover of the USA by Nazis.

Who ever wondered how so many people on the Left could betray the working class and turn woke find their answers here in this thread.

You just have to say "Nazi", "fascist" etc. often enough and point your finger in one direction. The majority of the left-wingers will eventually run in that direction. (Just like many right-wingers go nuts already by such trigger words like "Marx" or "socialism").

Posted by: m | Nov 21 2021 19:20 utc | 511

And here come the politicians now, attempting to use the verdict as leverage to further constrain and diminish the Bill of Rights.

What they fail to understand - but what some observers here have grasped quite clearly - is that the actions of Rittenhouse, the actions of the judge at trial, and the action of the jury, have all combined in a massive rejection of any such passive-aggressive leverage they might have felt existed.

It all got blown away by the demonstration from the people of how they feel about lawlessness, in a nation of laws.

ps..yes I know that nation of laws meme is almost shredded by now, but this whole event shows that the people don't accept that shredding, and when pushed will simply refuse to accept any of it.

Very encouraging.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 21 2021 19:58 utc | 512

Posted by: c1uee | Nov 20 2021 5:44 utc | 236

well said c1uee.
Gruff, LOL, thank you for stomping on tomq Binger and vk`s utter bullshit.

And you woke guys defending pedos and criminals, get a life, use ur brain for other things then spewing woke retarded bullshit on the web,
You should hang your heads in shame and never dare type or speak another word both irl and online.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 21:20 utc | 513

@Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 21:20 utc | 517

get a life, use ur brain

Sir, I think that the sign expression that you were looking for is here:

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| Get A |
| BRAIN! |

Hope that helps!

(Finally dared to walk into MoA's no-go-area. Quickly leaving the ghetto now - bye)

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 21 2021 21:39 utc | 514

@ Posted by: m | Nov 21 2021 19:20 utc | 515

Were Rittenhouse's three victims members of BLM or Antifa? Where did you get that information? I didn't find it anywhere.

Are you fabricating this information? Bring us your source(s).

And you're right. The Western left indeed does periodically supports Nazism (Social-Fascism) and imperialism. The Vietnam War was buttressed mainly by the then dominant center-left (Frankfurt School, Neokantists, etc. etc.). Hannah Arendt not only supported the Vietnam War, but also supported the suppression of MLK's movement by brute force, because they were, according to her, "terrorists" (the racial equality cause in the USA was supported by the USSR).


@ Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 21:20 utc | 517

The only thing that's gonna be stomped is your insignificant country, when Russia advances over the NATO forces from land, air and sea, after you (try to) invade the Ukraine.

It will be your head hanging (from a lamppost), not mine, that's for sure.

Posted by: vk | Nov 21 2021 22:01 utc | 515

All i can see how the Americans quickly move the goalposts when the same argument are applied to their lovely 'young men with poor life choice' in the country not theirs where they killing the locals because poor son of bitches is only following orders because guess what they're actually the invaders and the terrible one.
Quickly turn to the international laws, humanitarian laws that they themselves doesn't follow and actually breaks in the first place that they were even turned up there is already in violations of international laws but no we should follow the other bit of international laws because that keep our troops alive when they lost to the patriotic defenders while they continue to violate the other bits.

I can't keep from laughing myself from how one that argue for using deadly forces against aggresors to defending the right of said aggresors to continue their lives for their poor life choices. Guess we can't apply the logic of self defense in Rittenhouse case when it comes to victims that's only defending themselves from US aggression eh?

Like i said you guys are batshit insane off Hollywood propaganda.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 21 2021 22:16 utc | 516

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 21 2021 21:39 utc | 518

//:insert favorite meme here😂

Indeed it was Lurk, it was the exact thing i was looking for..

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 22:27 utc | 517

Posted by: vk | Nov 21 2021 22:01 utc | 519

I will welcome them as long lost brothers🤷‍♂️ i once asked Martyanov why Sovjet did not take us when they could in 1945.
My paternal grandfather rowed the Sovjet forces over the fiord all night to help them kill nazis, i inherited his hatred and fear to fascism and natsocialism, so i would literally welcome them.
I am even learning Russian as i type.
You fascist woketards are delusional, i know who and what i am and i also know this is a klasse kamp/class war and unlike you i am from the working class, i lived and breathed my life as a working class guy, i never work unless im unonized.
Unlike you i know communism, my gradpa was one and my other grandpa was a socialist and union leader.
I am not a woke akademik lumpenproletar or a socialist, I am Orthodox and i like to observe.

" From their fruits ye shall know them; do men gather from thorns grapes? or from thistles figs?"

Russian Orthodox

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 22:38 utc | 518

Juliania @ 510:

We can agree that, given his age, Kyle Rittenhouse was foolish to put himself at risk from attack by rioters.

Your reference to what Plato says about the participation of children on the battlefield is more relevant to, say, the practice of the military in the US and other nations (I include my own, Australia) of targeting high school students living in poor areas or areas of high unemployment for de facto drafting purposes - or companies promoting computer games with battlefield scenarios based on (and exploiting) real people or events to young people.

What the jurors were directed by the judge to consider and come to unanimous agreement on were the five charges of reckless homicide against four men (Joseph Rosenbaum, Richie McGinniss, Anthony Huber, Gaige Grosskreutz) and intentional homicide against Grosskreutz. All five charges also involved the use of a dangerous weapon.

The prosecutors tried to bring a 6th charge against Rittenhouse (person under 18 years of age in possession of a dangerous weapon) but the judge threw that out so jurors were not asked to deliberate on that one.

My understanding is that the jurors spent about 25 hours over four days to come to their decision. That seems very fast for a criminal trial where there are several charges of murder. It would seem that, despite the care the prosecution (presumably) took to prepare its case against Rittenhouse, those lawyers were always going to have an uphill battle to prove the case no matter how much preparation they put into it or how many witnesses they called to the stand to testify against Rittenhouse.

You also have to consider the context in which Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz: the protests over the police actions against Jacob Blake had deteriorated into rioting and looting. For some reason, police in Kenosha were told to stand down and allow the rioting and looting to continue. In this context, ordinary citizens found it necessary to defend their communities and businesses against the violence. This is the context in which Rittenhouse decided of his own volition to join those people.

If you have an issue about the institution of trial by jury, or the burden of proof being on the prosecution to demonstrate that the defending side committed a crime along with the notion of the presumption of innocence, I suggest the real problem is that the State itself uses the court system and trial by jury to persecute individuals and make examples of them so as to intimidate the public and to discredit the practice of trial by jury.

I can vouch from my own experience as a juror that jury duty is not necessarily the ordeal people often make it out to be. Most stereotypes about jurors being locked up overnight at courthouses or in nearby hotels during trials are based on practices that no longer exist if they ever did (at least not in New South Wales where I live). It is an honour to be a juror and to participate in democratic decision-making. It can be boring (or amusing) sitting in the courtroom seeing and listening to barristers joust with one another or make idiots of themselves - though most of the fun occurs when the judge sends the jurors out of the courtroom in order to chastise the barristers (as I believe actually happened during Rittenhouse's trial).

Hope that clears up any confusion.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 21 2021 22:59 utc | 519

vk @519: "...Rittenhouse's three victims..."

Here is where your "wokeness" and anti-Marxism shows.

There were no "Rittenhouse victims". None in the real world in any case. Those "victims" are a construct that exists only in your anti-Materialist head.

Rittenhouse was the victim. Rittenhouse was the one who was attacked. That he anticipated the possibility of such an attack and prepared for it does not change the reality that Rittenhouse was the victim, and those he shot were the violent aggressors.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2021 23:46 utc | 520

Posted by: arby | Nov 21 2021 23:43 utc | 524

If the vandals were Kenosha locals the headlines would be
"White teens travel to Kenosha and murder locals with illegal firearm".

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 21 2021 23:47 utc | 521

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2021 23:46 utc | 525

They are all victims. You yourself is a victims of this left right paradigm.
Kyle Rittenhouse can stay at home and none of this would happen.
The riots will still happen but the fault lies at the fault of Police and Media.

Police can't argue that they have to have the immunity from uncalled murder or extrajudicial killings or brutality if they are to keep working. That's too low of a bar for one department that's supposed to keep you safe.

As for the media well... Why haven't any of you go to their respective hq office for 'peaceful' demonstration?

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 21 2021 23:58 utc | 522

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2021 23:46 utc | 525

Rittenhouse wasn't the victim. Nobody was charged with committing any crime against him.

You should stop falsely accusing others of crimes they didn't commit, Mr. Gruff.

Rittenhouse case ‘exposes illness of US political system’

Supporters donated more than $2 million toward his [Rittenhouse] legal defense, according to US media.

Ah! The smell of the invisible hand of blind Justice! Smells like a bouquet of Benjamins!

Yeah, more like the invisible hand of American astroturfism. The "Deep State" cuts both sides of the political spectrum, I guess.

Posted by: vk | Nov 22 2021 0:09 utc | 523

I wonder what you fanboiz would say if he had shot and killed two people who were vandalizing a store?
He certainly went there with all the necessary equipment to do that for sure.
He was defending private property after all which is kind of close to self defence.

Posted by: arby | Nov 21 2021 23:43 utc | 524

my guess is the fictional "fanboiz" would say

"Why do these obviously mentally defective woke arseholes like arby @524 and Luppi @526 invent moronic hypothetical scenarios with no basis in reality and then later act all offended when people laugh at them and point out what a bunch of clueless spineless arseholes they are"

That'd be my best guess as to what the fictional "fanboiz" might say, if they weren't merely figments of your obviously retarded imagination.

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 22 2021 0:11 utc | 524

The 3 worst, most pathetic, losers on the planet.

arby and

All 3 too stupid to realize they lost.

All reminiscent of the Black Knight from the MontyPython movie Holy Grail.

Guy's you're not only not fooling anyone, but making a pathetic spectacle of yourselves.

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 22 2021 0:21 utc | 525

vk @528

Wrong, "woke" irrational fake Marxist who has never been a member of the working class.

The jury found that Rittenhouse defended himself. Defense requires an attack. Thus the jury determined the three people Rittenhouse shot were attackers.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:23 utc | 526

To those doubting the jury's verdict, think about this: except for the attorneys, the jurors probably know more about the real facts in the case than anyone out in TV-land

I defer to their judgement.

Posted by: ian | Nov 22 2021 0:28 utc | 527

vk @528

Wrong, "woke" irrational fake Marxist who has never been a member of the working class.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:23 utc | 531

... you forgot to add

"...and obviously posting from his mom's basement while wearing his best least-cum-stained Che T-shirt and red star beret"

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 22 2021 0:29 utc | 528

Posted by: ian | Nov 22 2021 0:28 utc | 532

I for one accept the results of his deadly scuffle as in self defense but he should be guilty of vigilantism another charge. The kid should keep his freedom but not his freedom to travel anywhere purposefully heavily armed especially to areas where violent confrontation is expected. He's not part of law enforcement and should not act as if he's one.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 0:37 utc | 529

Lucci @527

Retarded argument.

Everybody could have stayed home. Why do you fault only Rittenhouse for not staying home?

"The riots will still happen..."

An act of nature, huh? Nobody responsible for those riots, eh? The rioters themselves had no role in the events; no agency... no sentience among them at all, right? Only Rittenhouse possessed free will that night, I suppose?

Well, I agree with you that there was no sentience among the rioters. Unfortunately they are still nominally human, so the lack of sentience does not absolve them. They are lumpenized thugs, after all. Sure, their basest animal urges were inflamed by grossly deceptive mass media, but that doesn't mean nobody is responsible for the riots and the behavior of the rioters. It means that you should be looking for some other people that belong in jail for the events. Rittenhouse isn't the one.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:41 utc | 530

NotGuilty @533

Sadly, I am starting to believe that is the case.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:43 utc | 531

@535 & 537.

Come on guys. How about a big MOA welcome for NotGuilty. Looks like LOL, MP3, YOUR MOM and Contra-Ceptive are taking a break.

Posted by: dh | Nov 22 2021 0:47 utc | 532


See that, arby?

That's you, that is.

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 22 2021 0:51 utc | 533

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:41 utc | 536

Yes because he's the dumb kid that go there heavily armed purposefully, put himself into that dangerous position and ended up killing two people. In self defense if you would but he's never supposed to be there.

Yes the rioters and criminals is an opportunists. Violent demonstrations however is a reactions to the Police misconduct. That you deny that they had legitimate reason that precedes this, is your left right paradigm clouding your idea.

Again i put the fault in the police and media for this.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 0:56 utc | 534

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 0:23 utc | 531

By the way, have you noticed nobody mentions far-rightist astroturfism? It's all Antifa or BLM, Antifa or BLM, Antifa and/or BLM - sometimes the "Deep State". Whenever anything happens on the far-right's favor, it's either "facts", divine providence, an abstract agency of justice, God, etc. etc.

Meanwhile, conservative redneck from the Wisconsin casually hired a USD 2 million lawyer and goes to trial wearing a nice tie, and is going to receive a nice gift from a far-right - oops, I mean "guns rights" - NGO.

Posted by: vk | Nov 22 2021 1:05 utc | 535

@ arby |543

Irrelevant. Self-defense is what he used it for.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 22 2021 1:21 utc | 536

Lucci @541: " a reactions to..."

That is delusional nonsense. That is a woketard excuse for bad behavior. You can run that "reacting to" nonsense back ten thousand years if you want, but all that really matters is what you do now.

Again and again you insist upon making excuses for the rioters like they have no agency. If they have no agency then they are not human. They are just NPCs in the great game of life.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 1:40 utc | 537

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 1:40 utc | 547

That is a woketard [...]

Watch out how you talk about the people who elected your president, kid.

Posted by: vk | Nov 22 2021 1:56 utc | 538

vk @542: "Whenever anything happens on the far-right's favor..."

You are telegraphing your butthurt loud and clear.

Tell you what, why not do as Matt Orfalea did and compile a mashup video of all of the "far-right" talking heads who brainwashed us with catchy memes repeated on heavy rotation in the mass media? Show us with concrete proof how we have been brainwashed the way we have concrete proof of your brainwashing.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that nobody has been able to put together a "It was self defense!" mashup of authoritative talking heads like Orfalea did with the "Crossed state lines!" forced meme?

Sad that you are stupid (and brainwashed) enough to think that "both sides are the same" in this issue. That is a completely unsubstantiated false equivalency backed only by emotion on your part and no reason or rationality whatsoever.

I'd been suspicious for a while since I could never understand why a modern Marxist could support a dead end like Stalinism, but it is becoming clearer that your real agenda is to discredit real Marxism and steer potential students of Marxism into woke identity politics nonsense.

It is sad but I suppose it makes sense that most of the people professing to be Marxists that one runs across online will be frauds working for the empire, knowingly or otherwise.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 2:01 utc | 539

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 1:40 utc | 547

I never made excuse for the rioters, those rioters are opportunistic criminals. The police should have larger presence in Kenosha to prevent them. That a civilian militias would have formed in response of their not so stellar performances in preventing looting and property damage is again both the media and their fault.

I made excuse for the demonstrations that happen because Police brutality. Their performance to rectify them is extremely lacking and they are not transparent enough even after all that happen.
This should be concerns of both left and right because Police is equally deadly to both based off their training and cultures influenced from Israeli police. That you would or the leftist think this is one sided problem is the media fault for presenting them as if they're race exclusive.

I never specifically said rioters were criminals because that much obvious.
Instead i find that civilian Traveling heavily armed to uphold justice without badges is somehow almost legal is a problem.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 2:05 utc | 540

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 2:01 utc | 550

Matt what? Is it another one of those mystical far-right cybernetic gurus?

Posted by: vk | Nov 22 2021 2:10 utc | 541

@ Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 21 2021 22:38 utc | 522

How are the Russians going to see you from their submarines?

Posted by: vk | Nov 22 2021 3:52 utc | 542

Hope it isn't related:

Christmas parade: SUV mows down crowd, several killed, person of interest in custody: LIVE UPDATES

A parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin was interrupted after a car could be seen in a live stream zooming by a parade and reportedly crashed into bystanders.

In Waukesha, a stone's throw from Kenosha.

Posted by: Kaj Jakobsson | Nov 22 2021 5:20 utc | 543

Antifa 'revenge' attack in Waukesha?

Posted by: figleaf23 | Nov 22 2021 5:36 utc | 544

wow. honestly, how much do most of you
care about this? vk, you are from brazil.
i have learned from your contibutions.
some of the new circes have some axe to grind.
but honestly, it is a sad and pathetic sign of a
seriously diseased world. - the kyle thing -
i have a deep feeling that most people here
could give a f@@@ but they get to feel
cool and smart and post their political postures.
and it is just posturing by keyboard warriors.
utterly depressing. i need to listen to some
black metal.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 22 2021 6:26 utc | 545

"Antifa" and the Atlantic Council/NATO :

Doxing the Doxers: Leftist Enforcer Jared Holt, Up Close and Personal—A Few Things He’d Prefer You Not To Know

Holt got his start in Washington D.C. politics working at Media Matters, the “non-profit” that “monitors” conservative media. Holt then built his resumé at RightWingWatch, a project of People for the American Way [Meet Jared Holt, the guy who’s getting Alex Jones kicked off the internet, by Amanda Marcotte,, August 8, 2018].

While there, he spread the media smear, which ended in court settlements, that Nicholas Sandmann and the Covington Catholic High School kids were “racists” for defending themselves against the racial insults of the Black Hebrew Israelites and an Indian fake war hero at the March for Life [Viral Video Showing Covington Catholic High School Students Prompts Propaganda Warfare, by Jared Holt, Right Wing Watch, January 22, 2019].

Now Holt is grazing on greener and better-funded pastures: The Atlantic Council. Like most other think tanks, it boasts of a lofty mission: “The Atlantic Council promotes constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the Atlantic Community’s central role in meeting global challenges.” In other words, it’s another of the ubiquitous Leftist foundations that provide employment for the otherwise unemployable.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 7:57 utc | 546

All the legal experts on the law of self defense are unequivocal that he was completely innocent, and there was so much excellent video evidence that there was no way he should ever have been charged. He was also subject to incredible prosecutorial malpractice, on multiple occasions. So he was clearly the victim. He was charged by the woke to produce another trophy for their collection, to score political points against the deplorables, and to distract from the fact that local and state politicians completely abrogated their duty to protect the city from Soros-funded ruffians.

One of the commentators at the Rekieta law stream, Ty Beard, made the point that these prosecutors end up in power due to massive outside funding by an outside source (which we all know is George Soros). Americans have to realize just how dangerous Soros is before he literally burns down the entire country.

We're starting to see a turn in America from the long national nightmare of wokenness

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 7:58 utc | 547

pretending that Arson looting and rioting while armed with deadly weapons is "exercising First Amendment rights" seems to be a Democratic Party messaging strategy.

First we had public-pants-shitter Jerry Nadler using it and now, next to use it is the man most responsible for events spiralling out of control in Kenosha, Democratic Party Governor of Wisconsin Tony Evers, the man who refused to give permission for State Police or National Guard personnel to help suppress the 3day diege of the city by an armed mob of rioting arsonist political militant extremists, thus encouraging their lawless rampage.

No verdict will be able to bring back the lives of Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum, or heal Gaige Grosskreutz’s injuries, just as no verdict can heal the wounds or trauma experienced by Jacob Blake and his family......

...... I echo the calls of local Kenosha community leaders and join them in asking everyone who might choose to assemble and exercise their First Amendment rights in any community to please only do so safely and peacefully."

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 8:14 utc | 548

I never specifically said rioters were criminals because that much obvious.
Instead i find that civilian Traveling heavily armed to uphold justice without badges is somehow almost legal is a problem.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 2:05 utc | 551

But thus far you've refused to acknowledge that the rioters were running around the streets of Kenosha heavily armed, and continued to do so for 3 days.

A more perfect example of civilians Traveling heavily armed would be hard to find.

Obviously to acknowledge reality on the ground would ruin your trite oh-so-neat but dishonest construct that Rittenhouse's actions were in some way unique and unprecedented.

That KR was the instigator rather than being someone merely reacting to the presence of an armed violent mob, after police refused to uphold their oath of office and protect the community.

Acknowledging reality would however immediately render meaningless and openly dishonest the copious amount of delusional bad faith words and ideas you have already vomitted up in this thread,

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 8:37 utc | 549

lex talionis @557

My "stake" in events is that I seem to retain that idealistic (though not Philosophically Idealist) sense of justice from childhood. When some guy does something that might have been unwise but was in no way wrong and then gets unjustly attacked by a mob, I like seeing that guy emerge vindicated.

And by the way, I am not only talking about the mob of rioters that attacked Rittenhouse and that went screaming once he took the baddest of them down. The millions of people in the US (and Europe, and even Brazil too, I suppose) screaming for Rittenhouse's blood are just as much a mindless mob ruled by animal emotion. This is made worse because that animal emotion is being cynically manipulated by vile people in positions of power. It is gratifying to see justice prevail in the face of that madness and see the bloodthirsty mob stymied, regardless of whose blood they were slavering over.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 8:56 utc | 550

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 8:37 utc | 561
-Protests and demonstrations happen first due to Police brutality. The right are largely silent. Some far right even goes to support the already horrid profiled tyrant cops just to spite the left.
-Violent demonstrations ensued which met by even more violent police reactions. Some of them even recorded attacking the press.
-Media that misreport, disinform, or silent of critical information to each of their respective party created cycles of distrust and toxicity that discourage Police to do their job.
-Bad actors hijacked the venue for opportunistic crimes. The left largely silent.
-Obviously the police that work under bad faith didn't do their job to the letter.
-Looting and vandalism happen. The right reacted to the police inaction by creating militias.
-KR joined the militias traveled to Kenosha using the loophole in gun ownership bringing with him an AR15 rifles and under his bad luck or intention placed himself into that situation that he ends up killing two people.
-KR acquitted of murder based on all available evidence including victim testimony and video evidence.

There. No left right bullcrap. Cycle of hate all caused by media and shortsighted mindsets of zero sum game of the Americans. Enjoy your civil war.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 9:53 utc | 551

The millions of people in the US (and Europe, and even Brazil too, I suppose) screaming for Rittenhouse's blood are just as much a mindless mob ruled by animal emotion. This is made worse because that animal emotion is being cynically manipulated by vile people in positions of power. It is gratifying to see justice prevail in the face of that madness and see the bloodthirsty mob stymied, regardless of whose blood they were slavering over.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 8:56 utc | 562

That's all in your mind. I just hope you don't devolve into violent civil wars that will drag other countries into your domestic problem.
All im hoping is if the US has to break up hopefully they can be as graceful as USSR leaving others in peace.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 9:59 utc | 552

The millions of people in the US (and Europe, and even Brazil too, I suppose) screaming for Rittenhouse's blood are just as much a mindless mob ruled by animal emotion. This is made worse because that animal emotion is being cynically manipulated by vile people in positions of power. It is gratifying to see justice prevail in the face of that madness and see the bloodthirsty mob stymied, regardless of whose blood they were slavering over.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 8:56 utc | 562

That's all in your mind. I just hope you don't devolve into violent civil wars that will drag other countries into your domestic problem.
All im hoping is if the US has to break up hopefully they can be as graceful as USSR leaving others in peace.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 9:59 utc | 553


still no acknowledgment that there were armed rioters on the streets for 2 full days befor KR decided action needed to be taken,

but you made sure to mention KR's AR15.

from reading your disingenuous lefty crap no one would know there was numerous armed individuals walking the streets for 2 days before KR arrived

You're hilarious. You even managed to fuck up "pretending to be honest and evenhanded"


No left right bullcrap.
Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 9:53 utc | 563

nothing but "dishonest lefty bullcrap"

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 10:02 utc | 554

Waukesha massacre suspect Darrell Edward Brooks was released from Milwaukee County jail on $1,000 bail earlier this week.

Here is Soros affiliated Milwaukee district attorney John Chisholm bragging about abolishing bail and congratulating other Soros DAs.


looks like Waukesha attack could be a race hate crime.

Driver is Darrell Edward Brooks, black, habitual criminal.

According to Wisconsin court records, Darrell E Brooks Jr, a resident of 19th street, has several open felony charges filed against him on November 5, 2021.

He was charged in Milwaukee courts for resisting an officer (misdemeanor), felony bail jumping, second-degree recklessly endangering safety (felony) with domestic abuse assessments, disorderly conduct, and battery (both misdemeanors, also with domestic abuse assessments.) On November 19, he posted a bail of $1000 in cash.

Brooks also has another charge of second-degree reckless endangerment of safety, dating back to July 2020. At that time he was charged with two counts of use of dangerous weapon and a felony count of possession of a firearm.


naturally there's the obligatory "aspiring rapper" claim as well....

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 10:35 utc | 555

Posted by: LOL | Nov 22 2021 10:02 utc | 566

KR AR15 is a firearm that he shouldn't be allowed to obtain legally at his age and that is about the deadliest legal firearm that civilian mostly allowed to own which is significantly more powerful than a handgun. Only that the loopholes that allows him to own and bring them to Kenosha riots.

-Bad actors hijacked the venue for opportunistic crimes. The left largely silent.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 9:53 utc | 563

You're right wing nut job that only here for this post. Someone probably linked this article to something like Zerohedge that all these right wing new handles flooded. LOL, NotGuilty, etc only post vitriol garbages.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 11:08 utc | 556

Lucci @565: "That's all in your mind..."

Is it?

From 563: "KR joined the militias traveled to Kenosha using the loophole in gun ownership bringing with him an AR15 rifles..."

Despite being repeatedly corrected on the facts you insist upon asserting that demonstrable falsehoods like the one above are true.

I have no doubt that you passionately believe the falsehoods that you repeatedly post, but that conviction only serves to reinforce my claim that you are a member of a mindless mob in this respect. The mob becomes mindless when it is dominated by a false narrative. That false narrative runs in a tight loop in the heads of the mob participants with no room for objective facts, much less alternative perspectives. Your inability to assimilate facts that conflict with the narrative running in your head is proof positive that the narrative controls you, which renders you effectively mindless.

Of course, to you it seems like you have a mind, but your inability to influence the program running in your own mind reduces you to little more than a meat-bot. What value in your awareness if it can only follow a programmed script?

Do bear in mind that the mob always passionately believes it is doing the right thing, even when that mob is lynching an innocent Black man for perceived wrongdoings found in the false narrative running in the heads of the mob participants. Your sense of righteousness is inadequate to disprove mob membership, and in fact is further proof of it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2021 11:22 utc | 557

KR AR15 is a firearm blah blah blah blah........

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 22 2021 11:08 utc | 568

posted waaaaaaay back @ 232

Drew Hernandez @DrewHLive


Nov 15

"Never forget it was the rioters who first showed up to Kenosha armed with rifles , and getting into a stand off with police

I filmed this 2 days before KR showed up to Kenosha, on the first night that they began to riot."

"Flashback August 2020: Armed rioters in #Kenosha forced an armored sheriff’s vehicle to stop. The rioters worked to drive law enforcement out & to stop them from responding to emergency calls for help. Video by @DrewHLive"

Whatever that weapon is that AnfiFa guy is carrying its every bit as military looking and every bit as dangerous as any AR15.

And that weapon was visible on the first night of the riots.

KR wouldn't have been on those streets had Antifa.guys not shown up armed with such weapons.

And you have continuously ignored the presence of armed Anfifa, carrying weapons every bit as destructive as an AR15.

You ain't fooling no one

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 22 2021 12:06 utc | 558

Thanks for your considered reply, Jen @ 523. No, I certainly don't disrespect the jury system - far from it. I will repeat my statement that all I know about the trial itself comes from other commenters on this blog, and I did not follow any of the visuals as to who did what during the protests and rioting. My argument is simply focused on the detrimental conditions we currently face where military type weapons are freely available to the immature, and society sees nothing wrong with labelling such persons as 'adults' because of the crimes they then commit. That may seem off topic to you and others, but it wouldn't be a problem, I hope, in other countries where the possession of firearms is more carefully regulated.

I agree that your other examples of the application of Plato's text are good ones - and to the commenter 'furies' I will add that the Aeschylus rendition 'eu = good' tr defines the general term 'good' more as 'wellbeing' than other ways we use 'good'. The Greek chorus is saying (repeatedly) that wellbeing, which the furies actually come to support in the third play, is what they (we) finally hope is the result. May it be so for all seeking that understanding of goodness.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 22 2021 17:25 utc | 559

Kyle did nothing wrong, which I have said from the first moment. I lived in Amerika before and cannot fathom why this even became a case..

Posted by: Harald | Nov 22 2021 23:24 utc | 560

Rittenhouse Verdict Has Leftist Rioters Worried: “It fundamentally changed the culture of protest”

......This blasé disregard for the livelihood of the minority and less-affluent constituents targeted by antifa/BLM didn’t stop with elitist shrugged shoulders and taking a knee in solidarity with the arsonists, vandals, looters, assailants, and murderers who rampaged in these cities; Democrat mayors and governors insisted that police stand down, that they let these criminals have free, destructive run of the cities, that law enforcement stand around to be assaulted by vicious street thugs throwing frozen water bottles (and worse) at them, blinding them for life with lasers, and smacking them in the head with whatever bricks they found on conveniently located, magically appearing pallets of bricks.

What the left doesn’t understand is that “abolishing” or “defunding” the police—or neutering police as Democrats did during the burning, looting, and murder sprees of 2020—doesn’t lead to some leftist bully-fest (for normal Americans, a dystopian nightmare) in which leftist “mostly peaceful” arsonists, vandals, looters, and murderers rule the streets of American cities and towns. The “whose streets, our streets” mantra is but one memorable chant from the summer of Democrat-colluded national destruction.

This is still America, much to their chagrin, and in the absence of police protection and intervention, the American people can and will protect themselves and their fellow citizens from lawless mobs bent on mayhem, violence, and destruction.

We saw this in Chicago where the Latin Kings and other Hispanic and Latino street gangs stepped up to protect their neighborhoods, and we saw this in Minneapolis where heroic black citizens coordinated a lawfully armed defense of their neighborhoods against the violent leftist mobs bent on destruction (yeah, oddly, they think they are defending against “white supremacists,” but however mislead by leftist propaganda, they did the right thing for the right reasons, even if against the wrong perp–no “white supremacist” burned Minneapolis or any other city, that was all the Democrats and their team).

If you watch the Washington Post video report on black Minneapolis’ residents rightly organizing to protect their neighborhoods while legally armed, you will see strong, organized, and determined people who reject the destruction being wrought in their neighborhoods. Sadly, you will also see citizens who have no other recourse but to protect their neighborhood in the absence of a viable police presence because police have been told to stand down by Democrat officials.

Progressives apparently think that pulling police will just loose the mobs on a cowed and terrorized American populace, but that is not what happens. The Latin Kings, the heroic citizens of Minneapolis, and the heroic citizens who defended Kenosha prove that faced with a lawless vacuum, the lawful will step into the breach .

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 0:26 utc | 561

on Sunday, presumably legally-armed BLM protesters acted as citizen security for a BLM protest against the Rittenhouse verdict.

The armed BLM persons reportedly . . . wait for it . . . drove across state lines (gasp!) from Illinois to offer "protection," to the (actually) peaceful protesters.

Not that they needed "protection" mind, cos no one was even threatening them.....

Yet, you’re not going to hear about this from propagandists like Lucci

Posted by: NotGuilty | Nov 23 2021 1:58 utc | 562

@Fnord13 #214

The term fnord was coined approximately fifteen years before your game company capitalized on the term. As such, you can definitely NOT see the fnords!

Posted by: fnord | Nov 23 2021 9:44 utc | 563

@Justin #228

It was coined ten years before RAW used it in the Illuminatus Trilogy. Can you see the fnords?

Posted by: fnord | Nov 23 2021 9:46 utc | 564

@figleaf23 #246

It was coined ten years earlier by the Discordians. RAW popularized the term in The Illuminatus Trilogy.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 23 2021 9:49 utc | 565

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