Finally something more controversial than Covid…
Folks should really grok Hate, Inc. It’s more than a business model. It’s social engineering. Civil War in the USA? Mission Accomplished. Just another ring in the circus.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 20 2021 1:58 utc | 203

The fnord irony is killing me.
Thanks b, for the 13 minute video montage. It is rare to get such good footage these days; another curious irony. Rittenhouse is a legend dealing with his pursuers so calmly and efficiently. Hat tip for sure. I know for sure I would be way too jittery in his shoes.
I still can’t quite wrap my head around chasing a guy who is fleeing with a gun. Bound to end unwell for someone.

Posted by: Justin | Nov 20 2021 2:04 utc | 205

@ Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 0:29 utc | 186

That would be a significant blow to the ones who want him to “receive a medal” or become a far-right-wing sex icon.

@ Posted by: Justin | Nov 20 2021 2:04 utc | 204

Rittenhouse is a legend dealing with his pursuers so calmly and efficiently. Hat tip for sure. I know for sure I would be way too jittery in his shoes.

@ Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 20 2021 2:10 utc | 205

Hoist a toast to Kyle Rittenhouse!
He took on the mantle that the legal authorities abdicated.
While the city burned, Kyle took out the trash.
The lefty tards can cry in their beer.
Ha fucking ha.

Looks like I spoke too early.

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 2:15 utc | 207

there is a 100% certainty there were state-organized agents provocateurs among the protestors and rioters. if you doubt that, then you don’t know anything about the US.
for the sake of other people’s property rights, it’s ok for me to go and shoot someone and call it self-defense? to defend their property?
b, they need your ethical services at Gitmo and the US drone program.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 20 2021 2:15 utc | 209

“Kyle is an immature twit who has helped to make sure that all sides will be armed in future demonstrations. Nice going Kyle.”
Posted by: DG | Nov 19 2021 21:48 utc | 123
Thanks DG, bottom line truth. Thanks for the reality!!!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Nov 20 2021 2:25 utc | 211

KR, like every protestor, rioter, cop, business owner, bystander and spectator is involved in a vicious dialectic that these individuals did not create.
as long as what a person does does not upset that dialectic, then everything is cool.
KR is being offered internships by the openly fascist wing of the ruling class because they see KR as useful in the class struggle.
are they wrong? of course not. he embodies the beliefs of the ruling class. show up w/your illegal guns and put down some vermin to protect their property.
what’s not to cheer?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 20 2021 2:33 utc | 213

“Kyle is an immature twit who has helped to make sure that all sides will be armed in future demonstrations. Nice going Kyle.”
Both sides were armed, two of Rittenhouse’s attackers had guns. Even in gun happy America it is hard for felons to acquire anything but handguns, so it will be a battle of felons with hand guns vs. long guns. Not much of a fight, really.
The rioters Rittenhouse shot were not leftists or communists, they were dumbasses being manipulated by right-wing Neocons.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Nov 20 2021 2:39 utc | 215

there’s not some war of the truth tellers vs the denialists and fabulists going on in the MSM, on this issue or any other. whatever your mainstream news outlet is, there’s one goal, only one: to get your eyeballs on advertisements. as long as you don’t smell the unending tide of bullshit that underlies the fake dichotomies and managed, manufactured tensions, you’ll remain what FOX and MSNBC and the Sun and the Times want: a consumer, maintaining the status quo, a status quo maintained by ruthless violence.
so nice to see all the applause for shooting people, all the excuses and pretexts for gunning people down. i’m putting “God bless the USA” on my cell phone as i type! before Antifa makes it illegal!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 20 2021 3:01 utc | 217

not surprising. and the “racist murderer” claim supposedly made by “the media” is a straw man. the only MSM coverage i saw that even mentioned it tangentially was pointing out his supposed use of “white power” signs while broing out with some supposed “proud boys”. then again MSM coverage is s straw man to begin with since no one watches it or takes it seriously anyway.
it’s safe to assume he probably is a dumb fuck racist the way most pudgy midwesterners are but it had sweet fanny adams to do with this crime (though let’s recall he was at the protest to stick up for the “cop side” after they shot a black guy in the back). saying “derp yer woke” is the same as a trans activist saying “you deadnamed me yer a fascist durr”.
it wasn’t self defense. the only “evidence” presented were his “feelings” which are less than meaningless. rosenbaum wasn’t a threat. even one of the idiots hanging with cartmanhouse said rosenbaum wasn’t a threat. he was a dumb antifa wannabe off his meds dropping n-bombs and he threw a plastic bag. if an unarmed guy says “imma kill yew” and i’m holding a rifle i’m having a laugh. but then i’m not a teenage bitch with dad bod you falls down like a toddler and fires blankly at guys with deadly skateboards. we all recall the great skateboard massacre of 1996 after all. so many fat kids needlessly bonked on the head. never forget.
just like greenwald’s straw man about thinking the judge is a dumbass reagan-era fossil = i’m calling him a “maga fascist” or whatever. to deny he screwed with the trial is just blind delusional denial and i’m sure it was partly because he found the rotund little gunner “relatable” but i doubt it was any deeper than that. the prosecutors were idiots but in all fairness they had an uphill battle. the desperate and tortured reading of an obscure and almost unreadable law regarding hunting rifles and barrel lengths to get the weapons charges dropped was egregious but then so was “those shot aren’t victims but they can be looters or arsonists”. and let’s not forget “ipads use logarithms to add aritificial intelligence to pictures”. jesus christ.
rittenhouse is the white OJ with all that entails. just as the latter’s jury may have wanted to “stick it to whitey” and get back at the cops for rodney king this particular jury thought they were sending a message to “stand your ground” and defend yourself against the boo-scarry antifa demons in men’s forms. that’s why juries suck.

Posted by: the pair | Nov 20 2021 3:34 utc | 219

for the sake of other people’s property rights,
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 20 2021 2:15 utc | 208
This was not a “property rights” issue, as the jury demonstrated by finding him not guilty. It was a self-defence issue, as the jury demonstrated by finding him not guilty.
Had he gunned down those criminal degenerates “in defence of property” he would not have been found not guilty. Pretty certain that, even in Wisconsin, that’s a big no-no.
it’s ok for me to go and shoot someone and call it self-defense?
It would be if it actually was in self-defence, as the Kenosha jury decision makes clear (at least in Wisconsin)
But if it wasn’t in clear self-defence I wouldn’t advise doing so unless you think you’d actually get a thrill out of spending the rest of your life behind bars. (in which case, go for it)
My suggestion would be that if you personally feel that you simply must gun someone down, make sure it’s in self-defence and if possible do it in the state of Wisconsin.
“to defend their property?”
As seemingly everyone but you knows by now, the arsonist rioting criminal degenerates were shot not in “defence of property rights” but in defence of the weapon-holders life.
This isn’t even disputable at this stage – after all a jury took 4 days to carefully weigh the evidence presented to them by a dishonest prosecution team, and rightfully arrived at that conclusion.
Your complete inability to process that reality is clearly something that either you, your loved-ones and/or your care-giver should begin to have some serious concerns about.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 3:55 utc | 221

fires blankly at guys with deadly skateboards. we all recall the great skateboard massacre of 1996 after all. so many fat kids needlessly bonked on the head. never forget.
Posted by: the pair | Nov 20 2021 3:34 utc | 218
https://abc7chicago.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1103808/
Tuesday, December 1, 2015
SANTA ANA, Calif. — A 50-year-old man who was killed after being hit in the head with a skateboard inside a Starbucks in Santa Ana, Calif., has been identified. …
The unnamed younger man then quickly stood up and struck Lee in the head with his skateboard in what witnesses described as an act of self-defense. …
….Gomez said she tried to comfort the skateboarder after the victim was transported to the hospital. She said she assured the young man that he had done nothing wrong and that the victim seemed to be looking for a fight. ….

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 4:02 utc | 223

I saw looting in Kenosha, as in other US towns. I saw that the MSM & co created a climate that condoned that, stopping police from doing their jobs. Trump was president then, so anything was a go for the Establishment, not only HRC, Perkins Coie but also the FBI & DOJ + MSM.
This kind of incident was bound to happen, with person X,Y or Z shooting someone dead during looting. Lots of blame to go around, starting with HRC.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 20 2021 4:22 utc | 225

It wasn’t so much the skateboard that put Rittenhouse’s life in danger, it was the mob that accompanied the guy with the skateboard, chasing Rittenhouse like a pack of wolves.
In that mob, two people had guns of their own. One member of the mob closed and took a swing, catching the top of Rittenhouse’s head knocking him to the ground Another dude then came in with a flying drop kick that partially connected, Rittenhouse fired at him twice and missed. Huber came next swinging his skateboard and grabbing for the gun. Rittenhouse didn’t miss Huber.
Had any of the first attacks connected, and either knocked Rittenhouse out or dazed him, the rest of the mob would have jumped in and curb stomped.
Maybe folks here have never witnessed or experienced a mob stomping an individual, but it is horrifying and would be a terrible way to die. I’d much rather be shot. Of course I am not stupid enough to chase down a guy with a gun who is clearly fleeing.

Posted by: ArthurDent | Nov 20 2021 4:44 utc | 227

In that mob, two people had guns of their own.
Posted by: ArthurDent | Nov 20 2021 4:44 utc | 226
at 4:11 in this video –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTnQfjRvk0 –
you will hear a police radio report that, at the carlot Rittenhouse was headed to with the fire extinguishjust before the unfortunate incident with the rage-filled pedo dwarf, police said:

“We have seen at least 4 (FOUR) people running around with handguns here…”

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 5:08 utc | 229

I will repeat what I said in my first comment here: the case wasn’t so simple as the owner of this blog makes it appear to have been.
The jury dragged for five days. The defense got nervous and tried for a bizarre mistrial yesterday. Everything could have happened. Unless we interview the jury members (which will never happen, because jurors cannot disclose it by Law), we can never know for sure what exactly the thing progressed.
The owner o MoA was also not so sure. He tweeted twice about the mistrials and ince about some alleged MSNBC journalist bullying the jury. Today, he published his usual well-researched post about an unrelated subject. This thread came suddenly, right after the daily one; this was clearly not a planned post, so it’s reasonable to speculate he was not expecting the jury to come out with a decision today – or that Rittenhouse would be acquitted of all the charges.
It was far from a clear-cut case, and the jury was clearly not harmonious. It was by dumb luck that the owner of this blog got the result right. That’s not my opinion: it’s what the documentation indicates.
And yes, Rittenhouse’s self defense claim only made sense because of the 2nd Amendment interpretation. The USA’s concept of self defense is almost identical to most of the West.

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 5:28 utc | 231

@Tom_Q_Collins #53
Idiotic.
The guns used by criminals are not the same guns used by hobbyists and gun nuts.
It is abundantly clear you don’t know jack shit about people who like and use guns nor about criminals – you are simply taking talking head propaganda points and rehashing them.
The people who like guns – they like nice guns. Guns which are expensive – expensive to buy, expensive to shoot (bullets cost money doncha know) and which are generally of far higher craftmanship.
Criminals, on the other hand, largely buy crap guns. You don’t see AR15s very often in criminal busts – you will almost always see handguns. The only times I’ve seen “long guns” in a criminal bust were when nerds and dorks (i.e. cyber criminals) are busted.
The real criminals – the actual murderers – are far, far more likely to be brandishing Saturday Night Specials than even a Beretta, much less an $800-$2500 weapon like an AR15.
There are exceptions – drug war combatants will have far heavier weaponry but they use those on each other because, war.
In the United States, few criminals have any use for a long gun because it isn’t concealable; carrying one makes it far more likely people notice and remember you and an open carry also means you will get shot first if an altercation occurs with other criminals.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2021 5:35 utc | 233

@Prof #179
If that means morons like you leave or never come to start with, then I consider that a win.
You are stupid, you are ignorant and you have no idea who you are talking about or to.
The divisiveness in the United States isn’t due to normal decent people – it is due to assholes like you who think they know better, but actually don’t know shit.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2021 5:39 utc | 235

Good morning America, how are you?
However, if the vigilante murderers of Ahmaud Arbery are acquitted in Georgia, you might board up your windows…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 19 2021 21:23 utc | 107
Tom Q., that’s maybe the most prescient comment of all this KR talk.
Of course we’ll all have even more to say when the Ghislaine Maxwell circus starts.
Enquiring minds want to know, y’know.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 20 2021 5:46 utc | 237

– There’s definite illegality to travel purposefully armed with clear intention of playing justice in the streets as non LEO and as civilian.
– Kyle Rittenhouse indeed shoot in self defence.
– He’s positioned into that situation armed whether intentionally or accidentally. That he comes there armed can constitute an intention.
– The mob that attacked him is clearly violent. Two of them has criminal records and one of them has a firearms himself.
My own verdict is
– Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty of manslaughter or murder but he could be guilty of militancy or vigilantism if there’s a law about them over there.
– The Police do not do enough to protect the locals and business from vandalism and looters.
– The media that took sides and is not being objective purposefully emboldened opportunistic criminals that want to use the protests as cover. They discouraged the police to do their jobs and given precedent for illegal armed militancy to form of which Kyle is part of.
– The over militarized and violent or outright deadly police training or i daresay cultures is the root of the divide and problem.
The right that is giving them the police automatic support when uncalled deadly encounter with people of color happening even when they are equally deadly to ‘white’ people led to —
The left that took the matters one sidedly and blame racial bias as their main problem when it’s not. There could be racial bias but their root of the problem is deadly training or culture of the law enforcement.
So there’s clear obfuscation in what the real problem is by media that played both sides reactionaries.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 20 2021 5:50 utc | 239

@Justin #204
It isn’t hard to understand.
The 3 men in question were all violent to start with.
So
1) Take 3 violent men.
2) Stir up their emotions in a mob which is burning and looting.
3) Add social approval from the Democrat party and the mainstream media.
4) Redouble implicit permission by having police stand by doing nothing.
5) Listen to the various videos. You can hear people egging those guys on.
Of course those dumbasses tried to do more than any normal, sane, sober and calm person would. It is not much different than firing up a bunch of guys to charge a machine gun – which worked very well in World War 1 where hundreds of thousands died doing the same stupid shit despite evidence literally in their faces that these tactics were not going to be successful.
It is the same dynamic which a band of baboons sometimes charges a lion.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2021 5:54 utc | 241

Show me the evidence that proves de .223 was not designed to kill, then, and I’ll retract my opinion over it.
It’s that simple.
Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 5:47 utc | 237
……
With you its very unlikely to be “that simple”
No one here has ever yet seen you retract any opinion once expressed, no matter how completely bonkers that opinion might be, nor how often it is proven completely wrong.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 6:03 utc | 243

@b You need another moderating to do to filter all the name calling comments off that’s were legitimate discussion.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 20 2021 6:10 utc | 245

@vk- yes, the.233 was indeed designed to kill.
that is what guns do. sometimes right,
sometimes wrong. it’s up to a jury to decide.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 20 2021 6:17 utc | 247

@ Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 20 2021 6:17 utc | 246
The jury didn’t decide if Rittenhouse really killed, but if they were or not in self defense.
That he killed is beyond doubt. I really hope you Americans are not down to that level of relativism yet.

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 6:21 utc | 249

vk – Relatively speaking, we Americans are.
Sorry I messed up .223 with .233. oops.
Where is james with some tunes?
@ c1ue – Linton Kwesi Johnson – Di Black Petty Booshwah

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 20 2021 6:31 utc | 251

(Don’t Worry) If there’s a hell below we are all going to go. A little Curtis Mayfield.
https://youtu.be/BzsmciMNAGU

Posted by: J-Dogg | Nov 20 2021 6:42 utc | 253

vk – I think you got me and Arthur Dent confused. What an interesting dialectic we have had on MoA!
And I love irony. But in all seriousness, guns are meant to kill. An AR-15 is a very deadly weapon.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 20 2021 6:53 utc | 255

Posted by: ArthurDent | Nov 20 2021 2:39 utc | 214
“Kyle is an immature twit who has helped to make sure that all sides will be armed in future demonstrations. Nice going Kyle.”
Both sides were armed, two of Rittenhouse’s attackers had guns. Even in gun happy America it is hard for felons to acquire anything but handguns, so it will be a battle of felons with hand guns vs. long guns. Not much of a fight, really.
___________________
No the verdict does set precedence that anyone can now go anywhere heavily armed shoot someone over there and claims self defence. Granted that Rittenhouse indeed have all the evidence he needed to be cleared of murder charges it’ll be subject of reviews later on now that there’s some people motivated to repeat them somewhere else.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 20 2021 7:08 utc | 257

@all
What do you think if there now 2 sides of civilians that’s playing armed vigilantes shooting each other and Police have to intervene? The right things for LEO is actually to stop and arrest both but if they take ANY sides that’ll really made precedence for a civil war.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 20 2021 7:15 utc | 259

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 20 2021 2:01 utc | 203:
The U.S. homeland is unraveling into a live version of Jerry Springer. It will get worse.
SIGH!!! I share your pain. Just a few hours ago I was watching news clip of the House passing to print another 2 trillion in addition to the 1 trillion a demented mouthpiece just signed into law. You can see the Speaker laughing like a hyena with a circus of clowns clapping and dancing like dunks on the House floor. Yup! It will get worse.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 20 2021 7:25 utc | 261

Ritter was driven 20 miles by his mother to attack people protesting police violence. He was armed with an automatic rifle and killed two people. And yet, he walks.
Anyone in any doubt about the nature of the courts system in America should think again. America is a reactionary, racist country, and the idiots on here celebrating should stop watching Fox News and read a book.

Posted by: Richard Crawford | Nov 20 2021 8:49 utc | 263

Posted by: LuBa | Nov 20 2021 8:39 utc | 262
Certainly the US government’s crimes abroad are invisible to the majority of the Us population, apparently. They crtainly have piled high.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 20 2021 9:32 utc | 265

@ Posted by: vk | Nov 19 2021 22:40 utc | 145
The deep state was properly represented by the corrupt and incompetent prosecutor. Good point.

Posted by: jared | Nov 20 2021 9:49 utc | 267

Posted by: jared | Nov 20 2021 9:40 utc | 266
The US people seem to be divided into those who are incapable of critical thinking (susceptible to government/party and media propaganda) and those that can still think critically, independently and evaluate situations/cases in a rational manner.
Many of those on this site noting the fact that, according to Wisconsin law and the known evidence, Rittenhouse is not guilty are left of centre politically – genuinely so, including myself, not Trumpists. But the left-right continuum should be irrelevant when evaluating evidence.
Unfortunately, there is a component, apparently mostly Democatic party supporters, who are incapable of independent, non-emotional thinking in this case, purely because of a political agenda that even the DNC does not actually support, but only gives lip service to. I believe the DNC would consider them useful idiots.
There are, of course, Republican/Trump supporters of a similar ilk, but they need not display their ignorance and irrationality so prominently in this case because all the evidence supports the position they would support.
Still, all this US navel gazing ignores the fact that many millions of civilians have died abroad because of US and its allies war crimes and crimes against humanity. All in US wars of choice. There have not been any significant protests against US warmongering in 20 years. The Rittenhouse case exposes why this is.
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” MLK

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 20 2021 10:25 utc | 269

This event sure did push everyone’s buttons.
That’s why it happened.
gottlieb @ 203 has it right. Can’t possibly wade through all the comments here. Most are behaving like trained seals and your masters are quite pleased.
Best servant of the masters continues to be vk. Don’t engage with him.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 20 2021 10:49 utc | 271

Posted by: Tim Glover | Nov 20 2021 11:21 utc | 273
KR took a weapon to defend himself because there were multiple armed rioters in the city that night.
This isn’t even debatable.
Your complete apparent inability to process even basic facts of this case suggests an unhealthy tendency toward partizan selective outrage on your part.
……
Drew Hernandez
@DrewHLive
·https://mobile.twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1460320426777878532
Nov 15
“Never forget it was the rioters who first showed up to Kenosha armed with rifles , and getting into a stand off with police
I filmed this 2 days before KR showed up to Kenosha, on the first night that they began to riot.”
“Flashback August 2020: Armed rioters in #Kenosha forced an armored sheriff’s vehicle to stop. The rioters worked to drive law enforcement out & to stop them from responding to emergency calls for help. Video by @DrewHLive”

Posted by: lol | Nov 20 2021 11:34 utc | 273

Tim Glover @273: “Deliberately provoking someone to defend themselves and then getting shot dead sounds like to sort of tactic you expect from someone trying to commit suicide but too weak to do the deed himself.”
There, fixed that for you.
If anyone was “provoked” by Rittenhouse’s presence then that is a problem within that person’s own head.
This core belief that subjective experiences occurring within one’s own mind are the responsibility of other people perfectly illustrates and encapsulates what “wokeness” is all about. It is delusion pure and simple. This is the end result of “Philosophical Idealism” (the notion that the objective material universe arises from thoughts and ideas as opposed to Philosophical Materialism which holds that ideas are subjective mental experiences that arise from matter; brains, to be exact). “Philosophical Idealism” itself is a throwback to primitive pre-Enlightenment era and an effort to build a form of social sciences that repudiates Marx’s materialism.
This, by the way, is why it is somewhat galling to see someone who loudly professes to adhere to scientific Marxist analysis being the very “wokest” in this whole thread. It is impossible to base Marxist analysis upon “Philosophical Idealism”, and “wokeness” is a worldview derived from “Philosophical Idealism”. They are completely incompatible.
Well, I suppose you can actually base anything you want in “Philosophical Idealism” as it is nothing more than fantasy to begin with. When one is relying upon magic and distracting hand waving to fill in the gaps where one’s worldview doesn’t align with objective experience then you can take “Philosophical Idealism” anywhere you want, I suppose. Worlds of dragons and unicorns and UFOs? Easy! Worlds where you yourself can have the “gender” of unicorn? Why not? Existence is all just in your head anyway… well, and other people’s heads too, which is why it is crucial to the “woke” to force everyone’s thinking into the same mold. When everyone finally agrees that you are a unicorn then you will become a unicorn! It is those alt-right “white supremacists” who are holding people back from fully becoming unicorns with their mean thoughts and insistence upon only seeing regular biological humans.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 20 2021 12:14 utc | 275

I seriously doubt if you would be happy with the outcome if you lived here. A common definition of a failed state includes armed gangs of thugs in the streets with the approval of a facist Gov. I guess the facists see it differently, LOL.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Nov 20 2021 12:19 utc | 277

https://twitter.com/Berlusc4Lorenzo/status/1461890362213994499?s=20

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2021 12:30 utc | 279

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 19 2021 18:51 utc | 4
No no it’s just funny to see how the defence of 2nd amendment makes the yanks shooting eachother..keep on going..that’s the way.

Posted by: LuBa | Nov 20 2021 12:34 utc | 281

What is interesting for me is how this normally (well, mostly) sane place descends into total chaos with personal politics clouding many’s usually considered and measured responses.
If one takes politics and the venue out of the equation one has to come to the same conclusions as the court. Outcome is just and b is spot on.
Covid was equally divisive and i personally experienced the same in during the HK colour revolution as well. How some highly educated, normally sane people could warp their own minds to legitimize hate and violence with fantastical justifications.
Don’t ever change b.

Posted by: A.L. | Nov 20 2021 13:04 utc | 283

Roger – 152
Lumpen is the mirror image of capitalist pigs, at the other extreme of the social scale. Both are parasitic classes that feed upon the workers in different ways, and both will ally to crush the workers when the needs arise. I might’ve gone ahead of myself in considering Rittenhouse as pure lumpen, at the time he might’ve been a lumpen-in-being – though his path seems clear-cut to me -, but the other fellas definitely were pure lumpen.
But if you prefer, my take on this mess is: white trash kills white trash, everyone else wins. Might actually even have been better for society and mankind if the other thugs had managed to deadly wound the gun-toting one.
Whatever, this will only push the USA closer to the edge of civil war.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 20 2021 13:54 utc | 285

Seems the US calls floating warships around Russia and China defence. Installing nuclear armed missiles on Russia’s borders defence and many other instances of “defence”. A trillion dollars a year on “Defence” so they say.
Like many words it would seem that the US has a different definition for the word “Defence” than others have.

Posted by: arby | Nov 20 2021 14:41 utc | 287

A common definition of a failed state includes armed gangs of thugs in the streets with the approval of a facist Gov. I guess the facists see it differently, LOL.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Nov 20 2021 12:19 utc | 277
……
oh I agree completely. The fascists here do seems to see it differently.
Without doubt an armed gang was prowling the streets of Kenosha for 3 nights straight.
Luckily some of the local citizenry decided they’d had enough of the arsonist antics of those armed fascists and had the wit and wherewithal to arm themselves in response and push back.
Thankully justice has prevailed and the right of the ordinary citizenry to defend themselves, by all means necessary, against an armed gang of arsonist fascists was confirmed by the jury decision in Kenosha Wisconsin.
…..
Drew Hernandez
@DrewHLive
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1460320426777878532
Nov 15
“Never forget it was the rioters who first showed up to Kenosha armed with rifles , and getting into a stand off with police
I filmed this 2 days before KR showed up to Kenosha, on the first night that they began to riot.”
“Flashback August 2020: Armed rioters in #Kenosha forced an armored sheriff’s vehicle to stop. The rioters worked to drive law enforcement out & to stop them from responding to emergency calls for help. Video by @DrewHLive”

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 15:03 utc | 289

This is a very good article about the case:
Kyle Rittenhouse’s Defense Was Strong. It’s also a threat to the rule of law.

This verdict was legally defensible. Yet it also exposed the anarchy latent in America’s peculiar combination of lax gun regulations, expansive self-defense rights, and mass gun ownership.

Like I said: the problem isn’t with the concept of self defense per se, but with its too ample application in US Law thanks to the very creative interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
–//–
@ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 20 2021 15:01 utc | 288
You’re just ridiculing yourself with your completely taken out of context quotes.
Spoiler: you’re not fooling anyone. In fact, you may be putting yourself in harm’s way, given the far-right orientation of most people defending Rittenhouse here in this blog.

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 15:17 utc | 291

@288 william gruff – Bravo.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 20 2021 15:23 utc | 293

The MoA is making fake news when he insinuates the case was obvious and clear-cut – it wasn’t.
Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 14:35 utc | 286
snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat once again vk, well done.
Consistent as ever.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 20 2021 15:26 utc | 295

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2021 15:17 utc | 291
It isn’t simply a matter of right and left. It is matter of top vs bottom. Most of us on this blog represent the middle and lower classes of society, not the “1%”.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 20 2021 15:30 utc | 297

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 20 2021 15:29 utc | 296
Peaceful protesters need to protect their ranks from the criminal rioters. This may mean being vigilant, identifying them, possibly physically restraining them and handing them over to the police. Of course, sometiems the provacateurs are the police, but there you go.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 20 2021 15:38 utc | 299