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November 12, 2021
In Ukraine The U.S. Is Risking War

There is fear in Russia that the U.S. is egging the Ukraine into a renewed active conflict with its renegade eastern Donbass region and thereby into a war with Russia.

In his latest RUSSIAN FEDERATION SITREP Patrick Armstrong recollects the most recent developments:

UKRAINE. 1 Nov: Russian buildup on Ukraine border shrieks controlled US media. 2 Nov: CIA Director Burns goes to Moscow; said to warn Moscow against military operations. 3 Nov: Dmytro Yarosh appointed adviser to the commander-in-chief of the Ukraine armed forces, Defence Minister resigns. 4 Nov: US official visits Kiev. 7 Nov: Kiev says no indication of Russian buildup on border.

What just happened? Moscow got its message across and Washington turned its puppet off? (If so, nobody told Blinken.) Hard to imagine anyone in Kiev thinks “a good little war” would improve the wretched situation. But Yarosh might. This time I think Moscow will use force – if they didn’t get the hint in the spring, there’s no point in more hints: time for facts. (Ossetia 2008; but faster.)

Earlier this year the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky closed TV and media that favored the opposition. Last week the 26 years old English language KyivPost outlet was shut down after its owner was threatened.

Zelensky has recently lost the majority in the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament. The leader of Zelensky's party 'Servant of the People' Dmytro Razumkov, was removed from his position as speaker of the Rada after some conflict with Zelensky. Razumkov has now founded a new party and 21 parliament members from the 'Servant of the People' joined him in a new faction. 226 seats are needed for a majority in the Rada. 'Servant of the People' had 244 seats but is now down to 224.

Ukraine is in an energy crisis. It did not use the summer months to fill its gas storage. It lacks thermal coal to generate electricity and to heat its cities. It will now import coal from Poland, the United States and South Africa. That is not only expensive but also likely too late to avoid blackouts:

Considering these factors, the [Energy Minister Herman Haluschenko] stressed the need to develop domestic coal mining.

"It is important that we look at the possibilities of rapidly increasing domestic production. And if there are such opportunities and there is an opportunity to invest in domestic coal, this is the key priority," he stressed.

The Donbass region has large coal reserves and mines. Rapidly increasing domestic coal production by occupying it might be some peoples' idea to avoid rolling blackouts.

This week the Foreign Minister of the Ukraine was in Washington DC for U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Dialogue talks. There was a lot of war mongering about a 'Russian escalation' that is not happening. Russia is not interested in one but had earlier said that it would protect the Russian people in the renegade Donbass provinces.

In July 2020 the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence wrote a Summary Assessment of Intentions of the Political Leadership of the Russian Federation.  It concluded that Russia does not want a war with NATO but would not back away from an immediate threat. It also says:

We assess that Moscow is increasingly concerned about U.S. military activity, especially in Europe, and that this increases the potential for unintended Russian escalation.

This month the U.S. Navy has send the guided missile destroyer Porter and the command ship Mount Whitney into the Black Sea. The later is of special interest:

"The region can already be viewed as a potential theater of war. The USS Mount Whitney command ship is known for its visits to trouble spots. It was seen near the coasts of Iraq and Libya, and visited the Black Sea in 2008, when a war broke out in South Ossetia. It sailed to our shores in 2014, too, after Crimea reunited with Russia," [military expert Vladislav Shurygin] added.

At the same time the U.S. is intensifying its aerial reconnaissance activity around the Black Sea:

MOSCOW, November 10. /TASS/. NATO reconnaissance aircraft increased the number of flights near the Russian borders in the Black Sea region over the past 24 hours, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday.

"Over the past 24 hours, reconnaissance aircraft of NATO countries increased the intensity of flights near the borders of the Russian Federation in the Black Sea region," the ministry said.

On November 9, the radars of the Russian Aerospace Force’s air defense troops tracked a US Air Force E-8C airborne ground surveillance, command and control aircraft over the Black Sea, it said.

"Also, Russian anti-aircraft missile troops tracked three reconnaissance aircraft of NATO member states over the Black Sea in the past 24 hours," the statement says.

Meanwhile U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets as well as aerial tankers have been deployed to Bulgaria and Romania.

The fear in Moscow is not that the U.S. will attack Russia. But the high activity of U.S. forces in the area and the incitement Kiev gets from Washington might make the Ukrainian leadership believe that Washington has its back and will come to its help when it attacks the Donbass region and Russia hits back.

That believe would be false. Alastair Crooke notes a typical U.S. behavior towards Taiwan, Israel and the Ukraine. It incites them towards conflict but when the backlash will inevitably come is will be unable or unwilling to help them:

The West contrives to use Ukraine as the peg to threaten Russia with NATO action, even to the extent of NATO recently lowering the threshold for using its nuclear weapons – and yet … there is no way that Donbass can be seized back by Kiev. Moscow will never allow it, and NATO knows it cannot prevail over Russia in Ukraine, short of an unthinkable nuclear exchange.

Either way, the U.S. – apparently – courts failure: Either Ukraine remains territorially status quo, and disintegrates from the weight its own dysfunctionality, economic collapse and endemic corruption. Or, in a futile gesture, it goes for broke versus the Donbass forces and ends dismembered, as Russia – very reluctantly – is forced to intervene.

After the Afghanistan debacle the Biden administration needs a foreign policy victory:

In Ukraine, provoking even a limited Russian military intervention into eastern Ukraine would be hailed [in Washington] as a political achievement. Never mind the damage, the deaths; Europe would fall under full Washington control, and NATO would re-discover its raison d’être. But Europe and America would be weaker – and yet more of America’s traditional clients will assert themselves, through diversifying their relations, and projecting power through broader alliances. And the more they look eastward, the more deeply they engage with China.

Crooke compares this to the Clinton administration's ..

.. desire to rack up a string of miscellaneous, shallow achievements that would be boasted as successes to the electorate, so that the latter would conclude that foreign policy was in reasonably good shape. Yet they would be in error: The quest for racking-up these hollow achievements “ignored the alarming void, in precisely the area of greatest importance: the question of whether policy was making it more or less likely that America would have to fight a major war in the near future”. The U.S. is addicted to ephemeral success, whilst ignoring its strategic erosion ..

I also see analogies to Hong Kong where the Trump administration incited a student revolt but did nothing when China finally intervened. That was seen as a success by Trump and Pompeo but the opposition in Hong Kong lost out and Hong Kong is no longer the U.S.' easy entry point into China.

The Biden administrations war mongering towards Russia may be seen to be free of cost. But it takes only one miscalculation in Kiev or some unforeseen incident in the Black Sea region and the situation could seriously escalate.

Comments

Bemildred | Nov 13 2021 2:45 utc | 56
thanks bemildred… your link doesn’t work, but i was able to see it before i went to bed last night by doing a search…yes – UK is hyping war and yes, putin is not a push over.. i agree there are mixed messages coming from the usa… let me get back to both you @ dh- mtl later today on all this.. i think it is worth more exploration..
@ dh-mtl | Nov 13 2021 3:09 utc | 59
thanks… i agree with your 1, but have to find some time to comment on 2… i am tied up for the first part of the day and will get back.. also, i have yet to read the tom luongo article, which i’d like to do before i comment…

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2021 17:46 utc | 101

thanks bemildred… your link does’t work
Posted by: james | Nov 13 2021 17:46 utc | 101
Thanks James, indeed it does not. It looks like this now:
UK deploys troops to Poland as tensions rise over migrant crisis at Belarus
So the URL is not there. Dunno why, thought I checked it, but I don’t still have access to what I entered in, I’d have to go hunt the URL up. Well, let me check …
UK deploys troops to Poland as tensions rise over migrant crisis at Belarus border
OK, I previewed it and it came up. Let’s try that.
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I’ll wait to see what further you have to say.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 13 2021 18:30 utc | 102

It is blatant revisionism to claim otherwise (specially for the case of Bill Clinton).
Posted by: vk | Nov 13 2021 17:29 utc | 99
Yes, Bill Clinton could have easily gotten himself a 3rd term, if it was not unconstitutional, blue dress, impeachment and all. That was before all this was instigated.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 13 2021 18:55 utc | 103

The US won’t be going in on the ground anywhere. Not to say their vassals won’t be sent in. But not NATO. The US knows it can’t lose another conflict, the emperor is already in his bikini. The deep state has tried to count up its forces but brand loyalty isn’t enough now to wager with/forecast with certainty.
Poland is a frightening domino to begin a European disaster. Messing about in Ukraine is least likely to affect the corporate goods and services web. Ah, send in the Ukrainian army. Haha. Bullet-stoppers, yes but a big and losing battle for the US dance card. The US can’t go “big” anymore without defeat as a self-inflicted brutal possibility, and by the way, they have less money in the bank and they do know it.

Posted by: Carnabystreet Pete | Nov 13 2021 19:20 utc | 104

Poland is a frightening domino to begin a European disaster.
Posted by: Carnabystreet Pete | Nov 13 2021 19:20 utc | 104
?? Ridiculous, perhaps (to spare Western minds, political dialogs would better remain untranslated), but frightening? The current rulers specialize in being hysterical and theatrical, and there exists appreciative audience. I am not sure if this is true that they send tanks to the border. What is genuinely strange is that they did not mobilize territorial defense. They are volunteers that train on weekends, perhaps poorly armed, but in this situation, it is a plus. The best idea of the former minister of defense, doubling the numerical force of Polish military at low cost. He also cancelled a contract to buy French helicopters. Alas, the next minister gave some fat contracts to Americans, so Poland can be proud that it spends more per capita on defense than all neighbors (bar Russia), and less on health.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 13 2021 20:06 utc | 105

@So (15). ” Should there be any loss of life in the US as a result of a conflict the US federal government would disintegrate. Immediately as in ungovernable.”
Evidently, you don’t understand the mood in the US. Everyone, from political leaders to ordinary citizens, is accustomed to American soldiers becoming casualties in any of the numerous wars that the military finds reason to fight. Losing a few soldiers in Ukraine will make headlines for a few days, after which everyone will forget that it even happened.

Posted by: Rob | Nov 13 2021 20:09 utc | 106

@ dh-mtl | Nov 13 2021 3:09 utc | 59 / Bemildred | Nov 13 2021 18:30 utc | 102
okay! thanks.. i read the articles… i still don’t get a super clear picture of the relationships here, and nothing i read has changed my mind on what i think is a symbiotic relationship that continues to exist with uk/usa, which at root i think is directly connected to the boe / city of london and the federal reserve…. yes – uk wants to stick its ass in everything – poland at present, syria, ukraine, yugoslavia and etc. etc. on back, which is in complete agreement with usa foreign policy, guided by wall st ( yes, the federal reserve works for wall st ) and for all intensive purposes all working to protect that same piece of real estate in the middle east they were responsible for sticking in their – israel, while also wanting to control the flow of oil, and money on the planet via the us$ remaining supreme…
there is probably a faction that want off this crazy train located within the same communities usa, uk and etc… but my bet they don’t have the predatory nature necessary to compete… the predators continue to dominate.. now it might be a case of predator against predator and the breakdown of the system as we presently know it that is so fanatical for complete control.. that would be nice!! meanwhile the rest of us who just want to get along, have to put up with these freaks..
bottom line – i like your theory dh-mtl…. it might be true to an extent… any dynamic involving power is bound to run into obstacles along the way.. i would be more concerned about we get from being led by a group of predators, to a more inclusive consciousness that sees we are all in this together…. either we are going to continue to exist on planet earth, or these crazies are going to be the death of all of us…
the more light that can be shed on the inner workings of such organizations as the federal reserve, city of london and etc. etc. etc. – the better off we will all be…

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2021 20:14 utc | 107

Ekaterina Blinova asks same question as b:
“US officials had warned their European counterparts that Russia may be planning a potential invasion of Ukraine, Bloomberg reported on 11 November, falling short of providing any evidence to back the claims. What’s actually behind the latest ‘Russian invasion’ story?”
The article echoes guesses made here and advances nothing new. My only note is the characterization of the Donbass Republics as “renegades” when they’ve remained true to the Ukraine that became independent in 1991 and those who fomented the coup and now pretend to be in charge are the genuine renegades, traitors and terrorists.
On Lukashenko’s threat to cut off gas, Putin said that would be very unwise:
“‘Nothing good will come out of it,’ the Russian leader told Moscow’s Rossiya-1 TV channel on Saturday. He added that Lukashenko had not brought up the idea of shutting down gas transit earlier this month, when the two leaders spoke over the phone and participated in an event together via video link.
“’It will be a violation of our transit agreement, and I hope it will not come to that,’ Putin said. ‘It will cause great damage to Europe’s energy sector, and not help in the development of our relations with Belarus as a transit country.'”
“Putin promised to discuss the threats to gas supply with Lukashenko if necessary.”
The Putin interview transcript adds a few things people need to be aware of, so click the link.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2021 20:23 utc | 108

russia will use it’s loyalty card to obtain loans,to finance the upcoming auction.2.3% rates are spurring a buy back and that means more goodies for all this coming festive season

Posted by: mcohen | Nov 13 2021 20:27 utc | 109

@ Rob 106
re: Everyone, from political leaders to ordinary citizens, is accustomed to American soldiers becoming casualties in any of the numerous wars
More than that: (1) “fallen” (dead) soldiers sanctify and bless the particular war they are involved with, and (2) the war can’t be ended, to ensure that they didn’t die in vain.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2021 20:31 utc | 110

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2021 20:14 utc | 107
Thanks, I don’t claim to have a clear picture either. But I don’t have any problems with either of you or dh-mtl’s version. Appreciate the exchange. All things to keep in mind.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 13 2021 20:36 utc | 111

More than that: (1) “fallen” (dead) soldiers sanctify and bless the particular war they are involved with, and (2) the war can’t be ended, to ensure that they didn’t die in vain.

Says you….
Have you asked them??
I think you will find none of them or their families want to die over Ukraine…
INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Nov 13 2021 20:39 utc | 112

The current “crisis” is of “wash, rinse, repeat” type. Ukraine has a pool of homicidal maniacs that could attack Donbass, but most of them retired to civilian occupations like goons for hire. Arms are perhaps better, but according to sources sympathetic to separatists, the morale of troops is not good. Incidents like a soldier surrendering to separatists because he partook in sampling drugs with companions, left the party because of a quarrel and got lost (drugs may impair your navigation, if you want to take drugs with friends, avoid quarrels).
In the same time, Putin uses the “energy crisis”, which means “extra revenue” after translation to Russian to boost morale in Donbass, salaries in municipal services and private enterprise go up, so are investments, and perhaps soldiers got a raise too. The plan is to deescalate, but be ready to retaliate with healthy tit for tat, including narrowly targeted blows linked to ceasefire violations.
Would Zelensky unleash dogs of war in earnest, Russia promised not to be bound to any “proportionality.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 13 2021 20:52 utc | 113

Just to affirm what some have posted earlier, “hybrid” war in the “gray zone” includes a wide range of options, including cyberattacks which are all the rage in the current Israel-Iran and China-Taiwan “wars.”
Looking at the big picture, Putin did fine in Syria, and now he’s thinking about how to get Ukraine back into Russia’s orbit, one way or another. I wouldn’t bet against it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2021 21:06 utc | 114

@ GWO 12
I think you will find none of them or their families want to die over Ukraine…
What I have found is that families have put a gold star in the window, proud of their contribution to “keeping us free,” even saying that their son has gone to a better place.
Ukraine is as essential to US security as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan have been in the past. “Russia’s aggression, including the war in eastern Ukraine and its seizure of Crimea, has claimed more than 14,000 Ukrainian lives, destabilized Europe and the Black Sea region, and threatened the global rules-based order. . . the United States commitment to Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity is ironclad.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2021 21:45 utc | 115

The British/French guarantee to Poland made as little sense.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 13 2021 22:22 utc | 116

Just to clarify, the UK troops sent to Poland seem to comprise a team of around 10, yes ten, Royal Engineers tasked with assisting the Polish Army in border reinforcement.
Yup, crack British razor wire stringers.

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 13 2021 22:42 utc | 117

Rob @ 106
If the situation escalates out of control because of our stupidity. For instance. Ukraine makes a play for the coal and invades the DonBass. Russia retaliates. A US destroyer retaliates against Russia, Russia sinks a destroyer with a hypersonic. US retaliates. Russta retaliates. And on it goes until a city gets hit. Use your imagination as to how this escalates out of control. The federal government has used up all the credibility they ever had in the past 20 years. The Feds response to Covid and the state of the economy is the final straw and with or without conflict may be the end of the Federal Government.

Posted by: So | Nov 13 2021 23:00 utc | 118

Rob @ 106, Don Bacon @ 109:
I think you are both somewhat mistaken. When I read Rob’s statement at 106 my first reaction was there’s a few words missing and this sentence should have read: “Everyone, from political leaders to ordinary citizens, is (not) accustomed to American soldiers becoming casualties (in significant numbers) in any of the numerous wars that the military finds reason to fight.”
I don’t think that losing a handful of soldiers every few days in Iraq and Afghanistan has prepared the US public for the kind of casualties the US will suffer in a real war with a peer power. Andrei Martyanov has covered this and has quoted articles by ex-military officers like Wilkerson and McGregor. They all refer to casualties on the scale of WW1 – 40,000 KIA in a week, 110,000 in a month. In other words the total death count of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan would be exceeded in a few weeks. This is beyond the ability of US/Western leadership to absorb and process (and accept).
I believe most emphatically that the next big conventional war will be short and sharp and the huge advantages of Russian missile technology and capability (offensive & defensive) will be telling. The real question is at what stage does the West escalate to the nuclear option. I do not believe the US/West leadership will back down. These fools only know one solution to every crisis:”double or nothing”.

Posted by: thermobarbaric | Nov 13 2021 23:14 utc | 119

Posted by: Rob | Nov 13 2021 20:09 utc | 106
“Losing a few soldiers in Ukraine will make headlines for a few days, after which everyone will forget that it even happened.”
I’m not so sure Rob. Biden’s support has tanked. He’s toast and Kamala’s toaster. U.S. soldiers (peons) coming home in body bags will not be forgiven. IMO

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 13 2021 23:56 utc | 120

Skol to id for introducing the bar to tool. Most unique band there is and have the capacity to put me into an audio deprivation tank. Not for everyone but damn can they make music.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Nov 14 2021 0:08 utc | 121

What I have found is that families have put a gold star in the window, proud of their contribution to “keeping us free,” even saying that their son has gone to a better place.
Ukraine is as essential to US security as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan have been in the past.

Apparently, you haven’t talked to anyone from a gold star family. Ours was one. In WWII, my father, his brother Ike, his brother Albert, and his brother Nick were all in the service. Ike was killed in his chute after bailing out of a B-24 over Polesti. Dad served in Panama, after participating in the development of RADAR. He was considered too valuable to put on the front line, so spent the war on Taboga Island manning a RADAR installation guarding the Pacific approaches to the Panama Canal. Al was a marine and did every landing from Guadacanal to Iwo, raising the flag on Mt. Surabachi. Nick was in the army training for the invasion of the Japanese home islands when the war ended.
My grandmother Anna, never got over losing Ike.
My father was dead set against me joining up in 66 during the Vietnam War. That my mom precipitated this by taking my self earned University fund to buy Christmas for our family, made no difference. In the event, I joined the Naval Reserve on a delayed entry program, graduated from Purdue in 68, and was sent to NavSta Treasure Island to await orders to the fleet by August, some 2 months later.
I thought the war was a waste, my father thought the war was a waste, Nick thought the war was a waste, Al thought the war was a waste, Anna was horrified that I’d windup like IKE and my grandfather thought I was nuts.
So, from the inside I can tell you…. YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!
Now, put your $$$ where your mouth is, go to Ukraine… get a piece and a uniform…. and see what fighting for the NAZIS is like…
INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Nov 14 2021 0:28 utc | 122

I smell 9/11 and pearl harbor.. in the air?

Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2021 1:38 utc | 123

Polish soldier dies at border with Belarus

Posted by: Nick | Nov 14 2021 2:20 utc | 124

@ Posted by: Nick | Nov 14 2021 2:20 utc | 124
Probably a junkie who overdosed or a drunkard who went comatose and froze to death at night on some ditch.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2021 2:34 utc | 125

So maybe the red line will be crossed in the Black Sea, and the confrontation will be RF against US, hand to hand:
Russian Defense Ministry issues an emergency statement on the situation in the Black Sea

The ministry stressed that we are talking about the entry into the Black Sea of the destroyer Porter, the headquarters ship Mount Whitney and the tanker John Lenthall. In addition, five American F-15E Strike Eagle fighters were deployed to airbases in Bulgaria and Romania. The Russian Ministry of Defense believes that this is not only about exercises – in this way, the US military is developing the territory.

Russia sees that the assembling of the US force in the Black Sea brings Tomahawks within range of Moscow. And the command ship Mount Whitney is capable of commanding an entire battle, combined with reconnaissance planes in the skies.
I suspect the US feels it is standing Russia off here, blocking it from action if Kiev makes an attack on the Donbass. But Russia says that it see the US as developing the battlefield for just such an attack.
The is utter stupidity and brinkmanship from the US, needless to say.
uncle tungsten, maybe that “savage slap” will happen here off Russia’s coast. Something to wake up the US to the correct correlation of forces, the new balance of power.
But Russia can slice it as fine as need be for response, and the response will be legal and defined by the requisite provocation. If the gambit revolves around getting Russia to act first in Ukraine – and it surely does – this is what Russia will not do. She will only act in commensurate measure with provocation, I think.
In the Black Sea, with the incompetent sailors of the US Navy loose on the waves, it may be that Russia will wait for the US to make the error first, and respond to that error dramatically.
Or it may be electronic. I recall how the US command was in total awe and shock in Syria to find the field saturated with Russian electronics – the US was rendered primitive by comparison.
Or the US may slink away.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 14 2021 2:56 utc | 126

Ukraine says Russia has nearly 100,000 troops near its border

KYIV, Nov 13 (Reuters) – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said there are nearly 100,000 Russian soldiers near Ukraine’s border and that Western countries had shared information about active Russian troop movements with Kyiv.
“I hope the whole world can now clearly see who really wants peace and who is concentrating nearly 100,000 soldiers at our border,” he said in a video of a speech on Wednesday carried on his website. . .On Nov. 3, the Ukrainian Defence Ministry put the number of Russian troops near Ukraine’s border at 90,000. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2021 3:07 utc | 127

The Pentagon said there was no cause for worry, but it told Ukraine that Russia was moving troops up, and the US also moved additional forces and command elements onto theater. Meanwhile State is saying that the United States commitment to Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity is ironclad. So all Putin needs, real or imagined, is an incident to move on these US neo-Nazi puppets and call the US’s bluff.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2021 3:17 utc | 128

@ GWO 122
The opinions of your family are totally fascinating, but they have nothing to do with the facts that (1) US military deaths are useful to the government because they sanctify war — “the blood of the lamb” — and (2) soldier deaths prolong war because we can’t let them die in vain, so more die, and so on w/o end until the US gets whupped (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2021 3:26 utc | 129

@ Grieved | Nov 14 2021 2:56 utc | 126 who wrote

Or it may be electronic. I recall how the US command was in total awe and shock in Syria to find the field saturated with Russian electronics – the US was rendered primitive by comparison.
Or the US may slink away.

Maybe empire thinks they have the upper hand as described in the ZH link below
“Revolution In Warfare” – Israel Unveils New Scorpius Electronic Warfare System
When it is over will they tell us who won?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2021 3:32 utc | 130

@ Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2021 3:32 utc | 130
I think it’s bullshit. There’s a material limit to what 9 million Jews in the middle of the desert can do.
Israel has already exhausted all of its possibilities. It’s only downhill from here.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2021 4:18 utc | 131

@ 131
Israel, smaller than New Jersey with half a million more people. And Israel, one-seventieth the size of Iran, about ten percent of Iran’s population.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2021 4:51 utc | 132

In this article is interesting information:
“The Ukrainian electricity production sector is in an almost critical situation. On 7 November, stocks of coal reserves amounted to 584,000 tonnes, which is the lowest amount in history to be available at the start of the heating season. This state of affairs was significantly exacerbated by Russia’s suspension of sales of anthracite coal to Ukraine as of 1 November, and its blockade of imports from Kazakhstan, which further complicates the situation. Due to the electricity deficit, on 2 November Kyiv applied to Minsk to receive emergency supplies of Belarusian electricity. These began on 8 November on commercial terms, but their long-term reliability is dubious. In addition, imports from Belarus may not meet Ukraine’s demand, and it will then be necessary to purchase energy from Russia. At present, though, Moscow has refused to allow this: on 20 October the Russian Inter RAO company announced an electricity auction for customers in Ukraine, but the next day it cancelled the sale.” https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2021-11-10/ukraine-verge-energy-crisis

Posted by: Mikkael | Nov 14 2021 6:03 utc | 133

A great turning of the page, b
This is something we can all agree upon.
The empire will always betray its vassals.
The CIA is an evil, murdering, drug running, human trafficking criminal enterprise.
Woe to any who deal with the empire or its thugs.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 14 2021 7:20 utc | 134

RE: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 13 2021 20:06 utc | 105
“ The current rulers specialize in being hysterical and theatrical, and there exists appreciative audience.”
An area of congruence between the hysterical and the appreciative is reliance on/hope of precedent in changed circumstance, given levels of ethnic homogeneity have changed since the Endecs context from 1935 until 1947, which likely informed the phenomena which you perceive as genuinely strange quoted below, although Polish “romanticism” still enjoys a half-life though many theatrically encouraged vectors.
“What is genuinely strange is that they did not mobilize territorial defense. They are volunteers that train on weekends, perhaps poorly armed, but in this situation, it is a plus.”
The width of the Vistula between Praga Polodnie and Srodmiescie is not completely similar to what is was in August 1944, the change being perceived by some, since demographics have also changed since September 1939 and August 1944, affecting the potency of “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” and increasing hysterics/theatrics.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 14 2021 9:07 utc | 135

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 14 2021 7:20 utc | 134
The CIA is an evil, murdering, drug running, human trafficking criminal enterprise.
<= can you prove that and if so what is your proof? what has the CIA got to do with Ukraine?

Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2021 9:35 utc | 136

RE: Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 14 2021 9:07 utc | 135
“The width of the Vistula between Praga Polodnie and Srodmiescie is not completely similar to what is was in August 1944, the change being perceived by some, since demographics have also changed since September 1939 and August 1944, affecting the potency of “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” and increasing hysterics/theatrics.”
RE: Posted by b at 18:17 UTC | Comments (100)
“U.S. President Biden had planned to ‘lead’ it. “
“The “United Nations” approach is in part an emulation of Mr. Brezhnev’s approach – when he wanted to do nothing he convened a meeting of The Council of Soviets.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/11/13/cop26-climate-summit-ends-dangerously-short-of-goal/
““Regardless of the success story that so-called leaders are selling to the world, we know that this only means more suffering for billions,” Vilela added. “We don’t believe them anymore! Now is the time to build solidarity with grassroots struggles that are challenging the powers and systems that have gotten us here, and build a just pathway forward.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/11/13/cop-26-un-sg-blasts-climate-agreement/
Not alpha to omega, since Euclid was misguided in the notion that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line by using an incorrect standard of measure.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 14 2021 9:54 utc | 137

RE: Posted by: vk | Nov 13 2021 17:45 utc | 100
“WWI – the most elevated manifestation of nation-state supremacy humanity has ever seen.”
In terms of encouraged contingent outcomes some would suggest that The Treaty of Versailles in 1919 is the most elevated manifestation of nation-state supremacy humanity has ever suffered, but rarely seen.
Hence the reliance on holograms and projections predicated there upon by dh-mtl | Nov 13 2021 17:16 utc | 97
and a multitude of others.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 14 2021 10:08 utc | 138

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Nov 14 2021 7:20 utc | 134
The CIA is an evil, murdering, drug running, human trafficking criminal enterprise.
<= can you prove that and if so what is your proof? what has the CIA got to do with Ukraine? Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2021 9:35 utc | 136

Isn’t Extraordinary Rendition to ‘black’ torture sites, outside the USA and beyond the reach of the US “Justice” System (cough cough), enough proof for you?
Kidnapping and torture are regarded by many as worse than murder.
The only flaw in Cadence Calls’ accusation is that it stops short of guessing how many “Israelis” have infested/polluted the CIA, State Dept and other Top Secret and unaccountable US Govt instruments and spook farms. The Israel Lobby is THE most powerful political tool in the Colonial Christian West and by far the most dangerous to Mankind.
The racist-supremacist “Israelis” are the only ‘people’ who expect to benefit from WWIII. Most of the psychopaths needed to step in and take over before the end of WWIII are already in positions of power/influence in the Freedumb-loving, West.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2021 10:19 utc | 139

Grieved #126
Slaps can come in many forms. The Mount Whitney vessel could be a good test for some of the Russian signal swamping technology that they have demonstrated before against US warships. As I recall the US warmongers were extremely anxious after the experience.
But then again the Mount Whitney could be the target for some surprise pranks just to indicate who actually ‘controls’ the battle space.
I can smell a gas attack before the event here and suspect the US is serious in its intention to degrade and denigrate the Russian Federation. The US military have been escalating their attacks on the Russian Federation for the past three decades without letup from my observation and currently have another compliant and well compromised President with a foaming at the mouth Congress to go with it. My sense is that they are going to push real hard and the Russian Federation will push back real hard. There is no way the belligerence from the USA is going to recede and the Russian Federation is absolutely aware of that fact. The sanctions just keep piling up, the aggressive accusations just keep piling up, the US BS just keeps piling up and there is no end in sight given the current dynamics.
There is much scope for miscalculation and disaster right on Europe’s doorstep and not one EU statesman to be seen who might possess the skill and clout to demand the USA back off.
But there is much scope for surprises and cat and mouse tricks to play close to the US shoreline just as much as the USA likes to play along Russia’s shoreline.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 14 2021 10:37 utc | 140

It is no use taking out the puppets. What does that achieve?
Take out a few of the puppeteers and you will get the attention of the right people pretty darn quickly.

Julian | Nov 13 2021 14:29 utc | 91:
This cannot be said enough times.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 14 2021 10:47 utc | 141

Ukraine is as essential to US security as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan have been in the past.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2021 21:45 utc | 115
You mean, not at fucking all.
Vietnam and Afghanistan came and went and US “security” has been no worse for wear.
Unless this is one of those stupid transatlantic mind games where some word has a completely different meaning than what’s generally accepted.
I could understand it, if it was about Mexico, Canada. It makes sense with Cuba, strictly at the ideological/political level.
But Vietnam and Afghanistan?
Fuck no. They’re in fuck off nowhere relative to the US and they don’t represent, in and of themselves, any bigger strategic possibility of mounting an attack on the US than any other random point on this cursed, godless earth.
The thesis, as presented, has been already refuted by historical fact, so that leaves us with a few possibilities.
-They’re not essential, but merely convenient, an exaggeration to garner public support.
-It is not about the US, it is about some other entity the US is used as a stand-in for.
-It is not about security, it is about some other concept or goal.
To me it reeks of the Supremacist Contradiction:
The “master” race/people/country is always almost unconceivably fragile when compared to “slave” races/peoples/countries:
-The german people “needed” lebensraum, or.. (they’ll wither? While others are apt to thrive on much less??
-The “White Race” [puke] can be “genocided” simply by people of other colors having babies??
-The US “needs” whole-world domination to be “secure”, while other, less-hyped powers certainly make do with “spheres of influence” and can even thrive with enemies at their gates?

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 14 2021 10:51 utc | 142

Just a reminder. Although some won’t know it. Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland are both Ukrainian. The “intellectual” ground of the State Department is still Brzezinski’s legacy; he was Polish-Ukrainian. And a major revanchist. I will guess the Vindman twins are still in place. If not, clones of those two are thick in Foggy Bottom.
US simply does not have the wherewithal for a war. We might have politicians stupid enough to try and fight one, they will quickly face reality.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 14 2021 12:07 utc | 143

Nothing seems to surprise me any more. Won’t be surprised if both USA and Russia are putting up a great pony show, They may be colluding with each other to run the old British empire into the ground. The British can send their ships to anywhere in the world , only to be laughed at. What does Americans can get out of this, first they must be selling Europeans down the river. Second the Americans prefer the Russians to be back in some sort of power to extract the Chinese economically and may be trade their secrets , that way , the Russians become the policemen for the Eurasia.

Posted by: LAlien | Nov 14 2021 15:00 utc | 144

Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland are both Ukrainian.
Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 14 2021 12:07 utc | 143
Nuh-uh.
Nuland was born in New York, same for Blinken. Both in the 60s. For them to be Ukrainian they’d need to have been born in the SSR.
It’s good to know they have some past connection to the shit they’re stirring today, don’t get me wrong, but ukrainians they’re not.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 14 2021 16:45 utc | 145

Someone asked what kind of music they like in Donbass. This is an example too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0Cgfe-4WQ
Some explanations: the instrument that the older sister is practicing is called bandura, very “national” in Ukraine, but also in adjacent Russian region. The town where the video was made in very close to the line of control, so it is shelled by the “loyalists” from time to time. Easy to find on YouTube if you type “bandura Dokuchayevsk” in Cyrillic (but not if you use Latin letters).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 14 2021 16:57 utc | 146

@ Posted by: LAlien | Nov 14 2021 15:00 utc | 144
That’s the Alt-Right hypothesis. Indeed, this is the dilemma that puzzles far-right ideologues since the post-war period: why don’t the liberal forces (center-left + center-right + far-right) unite in order to exterminate the communists? In more concrete terms: why didn’t the USA, and the British Empire allied with the Axis forces to crush the USSR?
The answer to that is complex, but it comes down to one ultimate factor: the communists, their mortal enemies admit, have a concrete and very sensible alternative to the capitalist system that do sway a significant portion of their own peoples (in the capitalist West) even if in very faint and abstract notions of values and morals. In other words, there is a people’s pressure from below that make a complete liberal unification against communism more difficult than the far-rightists admit or can imagine.
So yes, if it depended on Churchill’s individual will, the British Empire would have allied with Nazi Germany against the USSR. If it depended on FDR’s will, the USA would have allied with Nazi Germany against the USSR (although in the USA’s case the matter was more complicated for logistical reasons, since there was a more immediate threat in the Pacific from Japan, against which the oil embargo was essential). But would it be acceptable for the peoples of the UK and the USA to enlist and fight alongside their Nazi comrades against the first ever proletarian republic? Evidence shows that was not possible. It is important to highlight here that anti-communism only became the mainstream ideology after the fall of the USSR; it was much more heterodox to openly express anti-communist sentiments without passing as a fanatical or paid Cold Warrior before that.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2021 17:22 utc | 147

Elections coming up in the US which always puts pressure on the current party in power to use a military attack against some typical weaker nation. Maybe bomb VZ or Nicaragua? False flag a bomb attack somewhere on American soil? There is nothing Taiwan, Japan, or AU can do to ignited a conflict anywhere. Syria maybe? Iran? The best place for a large insta-conflict would be Ukraine. Of course a war with Russia by Ukraine/NATO would stop all energy flow to the EU among other things. But then again, Western leadership is deluded.

Posted by: Erelis | Nov 14 2021 17:36 utc | 148

vk | Nov 14 2021 17:22 utc | 147
I’m totaly confused… The “painting” colors the “leftists” as “liberals” and “socialists” and even more extreme, “communists” but the the counter to “communism” is “liberal unification” which failed???
And this:
“It is important to highlight here that anti-communism only became the mainstream ideology after the fall of the USSR; [???] it was much more heterodox [unothodox??] to openly express anti-communist sentiments without passing as a fanatical or paid Cold Warrior before that.”
Seems to me, the post is total BS. Maybe the “here” isn’t the US???

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 14 2021 18:40 utc | 149

@145
By that logic they are not Jews either. A person can be more than one thing.
In US everyone was born yesterday. Live in an eternal present if you wish.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 14 2021 19:15 utc | 150

“Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 14 2021 18:40 utc | 149”
I’m no expert at all but I think the idea of Communism was gaining a lot of ground in the thirties in the US and the west.

Posted by: arby | Nov 14 2021 19:19 utc | 151

following up on previous comment re: Carl Zha twitter, it is visible again with no indication of previous outage

Posted by: ptb | Nov 14 2021 22:29 utc | 152

Blinken and Nod admin foreign policy in Uk
https://youtu.be/vP8rbYEZ1cE

Posted by: jared | Nov 14 2021 22:45 utc | 153

By that logic they are not Jews either. A person can be more than one thing.
In US everyone was born yesterday. Live in an eternal present if you wish.
Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 14 2021 19:15 utc | 150
Jews are a religion, anybody can be a jew if they bother to.
Those two were born in New York. Nuland’s father was born in NY as well. Blinken’s father was also born in NY.
They’re New Yorker children of New Yorker parents.
New York isn’t located in Ukraine, last time I checked.
You don’t get to be Transylvanian just because your grandparent is Count Dracula.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 14 2021 22:55 utc | 154

arby #151
The idea of communism was alive and well in the west well before the 1930’s. The Encyclopedia Britannica has this to say. The link includes a brief peek at even more ancient predecessors.
Most western and eastern nations had political movements as the concepts ignited a comprehension of what a better world could be made. The instigation of the trades unions and the growing mobilisation for social justice, fair wages and working hours and safe workplaces derived from multiple idea streams including those of Marx and Engles who proposed their ideas from the 1850’s on. The ‘accommodation’ of socialist/communist advocacy led to the creation of public services and provisions in fear of the ultimate revolution should the state continue to oppress the citizens though poverty or lack of services.
Note this brief history of China is relevant too.
I trust this will give you a smattering of context but it is a much broader inquiry than that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 14 2021 23:14 utc | 155

Misotheist #154

You don’t get to be Transylvanian just because your grandparent is Count Dracula.

True, but in Nuland and Blinken’s case there is sufficient evidence to demand a DNA test prior to conviction 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 14 2021 23:17 utc | 156

Erelis #148

The best place for a large insta-conflict would be Ukraine. Of course a war with Russia by Ukraine/NATO would stop all energy flow to the EU among other things. But then again, Western leadership is deluded.

Winter is upon Europe, the gas flow is critical as the speculators have allowed the vast storage chambers to be way less than adequate. Was that an error or a design? But everyone has the gas jitters and the EU msm keep blaming Russia even as they are ready to pump a vast amount of gas to Germany.
So if the eastern gas is reduced (note NS2 is still awaiting German and EU operational consent) and the Algerian pipeline remains cut off due to transit dispute and the major gas pipelines from the middle east have been stymied for two decades there will be a crisis.
THIS is the false flag operation. All else is theatrical aside but contributes. If Russia invades eastern Ukraine to protect the Russian people there then I assume the very first casualty will be the gas pipeline, likely blown up by the Azov nazis and blamed by the entire msm on Russia.
The USA will promise to sell EU its gas via ship but then they will have trouble at their ports which are currently choked with thousands of ships waiting to clear the ports.
The USA does not give a sh!t what happens to the freezing people in the EU as they will use this entire confrontation scam to show how evil the Russians are. Even if they have to create thousands of dead as collateral damage in the EU.
The USA and its EU allies are desperate to pound ‘hate russia’ into everyone’s head.
They will then trade on the ‘evil russia’ mantra for another century.
Then the USA will sell the EU lots of GE nuclear reactors to ‘keep them warm’. Look what they just did to Australia re gas sales to China. There they conned the ignorant ozzie leaders to insult China, threaten China with non-existent submarines and then signed a fat 20 year gas sales contract to China behind the ozzies back. Suckers, and the EU is in the same wretched sucker, vassal class.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 14 2021 23:42 utc | 157

arby #151 and further to my #155
This treatise by Matthew Ehret just arrived in my mailbox and gives another angle to the anti Marxist efforts to push back against communism.
It provides a glimpse of the USA and oligarch driven agenda to ‘save’ Russia from Marxist thought. It is a broad historical sweep of the late 1800’s to early 1900’s. It demonstrates that the anti communist push back was immediate and dates well back to the instant of its emergence.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 0:24 utc | 158

uncle tungsten @158–
It should be noted that all attempts in the West from any political direction to “level” society–to make it equitable–have met immediate and often very strong resistance/persecution. As Hudson constantly reminds us, Marx was the last in a long line of reformers trying to kill off Feudalism and its Free Lunch, as well as newly formed methods for doing so, Monopolism being but one.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2021 0:34 utc | 159

karlof1 #159
Indeed Hudson is a treasured resource to inform us of history and is perhaps among the latest of reincarnations of remembering the way forward.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 2:27 utc | 160

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2021 0:34 utc | 159
The only reason people like Hudson try to picture Marx as an essentially anti-feudalism thinker is because he wants to present a scenario where Economics as a science continued to evolve after his death. That is, read me (Hudson), not Marx.
This is a cheap positivist falsification of History. After Marx’s works, the West actively imploded all of the foundations of its economic and philosophical thinking in order to bury him. Today’s economists are all descendants of the vulgar economists of the 19th Century, not of the classical economists. Hudson (and, for that matters, all non-Marxist Western economist) is from a pseudo-scientific lineage.
A civilization can and does give up its own scientific discoveries for the sake of conservation of the status quo. The West had to give up philosophy after Hegel’s discoveries and economics after Marx. One of the reasons (but not the only one) for the hegemony of STEM in the West since the beginning of the 20th Century.

Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 3:07 utc | 161

vk @161–
That’s Bull Shit, vk; Hudson implores people to read Marx–ALL OF IT.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2021 4:10 utc | 162

@162 karlof1
As you know, you’re replying to someone who is zero-sum: for one thing to be right, all else must be wrong.
But thanks for that fact 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 15 2021 4:25 utc | 163

@157 uncle tungsten

Then the USA will sell the EU lots of GE nuclear reactors to ‘keep them warm’. Look what they just did to Australia re gas sales to China. There they conned the ignorant ozzie leaders to insult China, threaten China with non-existent submarines and then signed a fat 20 year gas sales contract to China behind the ozzies back. Suckers, and the EU is in the same wretched sucker, vassal class.

Rostislav Ishchenko has an article at the Saker you will find interesting. It speaks of these elements as part of the process of the global empire breaking up – highly recommend:
Post-American world
There’s another tasty treat over there also, but I’ll post in the open thread.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 15 2021 5:29 utc | 164

RE: Posted by: vk | Nov 13 2021 17:45 utc | 100
“I don’t think the Chinese see multipolarity as the supremacy of the nation-state. “
The participants are on interactive journeys with some perceived purposes without fixed pre-determined definitions/destinations/forms/perceptions/trajectories/velocities to facilitate the transcendence of the culture of “I” by the culture of “we” through lateral “seeing” with the complicity of those to be transcended.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 9:47 utc | 165

The West had to give up philosophy after Hegel’s discoveries and economics after Marx.
Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 3:07 utc | 161
Wrong on the first claim.
The only intellectual worth of Hegel was that extracted by our favourite bearded duo.
Hegel was an irredeemable idealist lost inside his own fantasies of german religious wanking, if his production wasn’t reference material for Marx, Engels, and later Lenin; it would belong not even in the “dustbin of history” but in a pyre.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 15 2021 9:51 utc | 166

This is a cheap positivist falsification of History.
Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 3:07 utc | 161
oh I think if one were on the lookout for “cheap falsification of History”, vk, you’d be fairly high up on anyone’s list of peddlers of “cheap falsification of History”

Posted by: YourMom | Nov 15 2021 10:22 utc | 167

YourMom #167

list of peddlers of “cheap falsification of History”

Please mom, can I add Macron to that list. He just sold out his nations fisherpeople so as to make chummy with the UK. He dreams of an EU army with himself as the leader.

But there are other reasons why France and Macron need to stop throwing the toys out of the pram when it comes to Brexit Britain and think about how to capitalise on Britain being unshackled from the EU. Aside from the two-faced games which Macron plays with UK and Boris Johnson, his officials keep good relations with Johnson’s team and it is this cabal which has convinced him to back down in the fishing row, for something much bigger and more important to play for, with the UK: defence and security cooperation.

Now this pathetic little turd can be expected to team up with the Russia Hater in Chief – the UK to deliver heaps of mischief in Ukraine. Perhaps all to keep the UK soldiers in Mali with his Legionnaires murdering helping out the locals.
Move over Napolean here comes another pretender with great skill at rewriting history, especially regarding Algeria.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 10:37 utc | 168

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 9:47 utc | 165
“…..to facilitate the transcendence of the culture of “I” by the culture of “we” through lateral “seeing” with the complicity of those to be transcended “
since
Omniscience and perfection are not options thereby facilitating fear of flying, despite Erica Jongs’s hopes for the zipless fuck which is shared by others.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:01 utc | 169

Grieved #164

Post-American world

Thank you comrade Grieved, that was a good read.
Thankfully the guest writers at the Saker are worthy thinkers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 11:04 utc | 170

RE: Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 0:24 utc | 158
“It provides a glimpse of the USA and oligarch driven agenda to ‘save’ Russia from Marxist thought. “
Mr. Marx is dead – he died in 1883 around two months before his 65th birthday – he is no longer thinking but mutating in Highgate Cemetery in London and elsewhere.
He never wrote devotional texts although some for their own purposes believe that he did.
One of the purposes of those who “believed” that Mr. Marx wrote devotional texts was to create a brand called Marxist/Leninist/Maoist thought – a cult of personality wearing new clothes given that the fashions of the 1950’s were no longer as attractive as they had been.
One of the reasons that Progress publishers in Moscow commenced publishing the Complete Works of Marx and Engels in various languages from 1972 onwards, was to trandscend the barriers/misrepresentations/obfuscations facilitated by/facilitating the Marxist/Leninist/Maoist thought brand.
A component of this purpose was to enhance the usage and developments of Dialectical Historical Materialism, to which Mr. Marx, Mr. Engels and others had contributed, in matters of transcendence, including but not limited to the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by The Russian Federation, since some understood that “The Soviet Union” was not sustainable for many reasons.
All data-streams have utility for those with facility, and this utility is enhanced when the data are projections of self-created holograms, as is often the case with Mr. Matthew Ehret, “The Saker” and others facilitating them being rendered useful fools by some.
The opponents are often given to premature ejaculations, but in this case the opponents appear to rely on trying-to-close-the-door-after-the horse-has-boltedness

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:55 utc | 171

Misotheist @ 154
You define ahistorical. Americans never learn a thing about history because they refuse history.
Historical grievances last centuries. Parents do teach historical grievance to children. Why is there a Jewish homeland in Palestine? Because a self-defined tribe occupied that territory two thousand years ago. That type of historical memory is only slightly unusual. I live in a city with a large Ukrainian population. Ukrainian parents absolutely teach their children revanchism. The children absolutely learn the lesson. They absolutely attempt to impose their view of the world on everyone. They are absolutely extremely energetic and persistent as they spread propaganda.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 14:39 utc | 172

@ uncle tungsten
Please mom, can I add Macron to that list
| Nov 15 2021 11:04 utc | 170
……
permission granted young man!

Posted by: YourMom | Nov 15 2021 14:45 utc | 173

RE: Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 14:39 utc | 172
“ I live in a city with a large Ukrainian population. Ukrainian parents absolutely teach their children revanchism. The children absolutely learn the lesson. They absolutely attempt to impose their view of the world on everyone. They are absolutely extremely energetic and persistent as they spread propaganda. “
Thank you for your illustrations of reliance on absolutes which have never or could ever have existed.
Not all “Ukrainian parents” teach their children revanchism – not even in Lviv, Sambor or Ternopil.
That some attempt to impose their view of the wrorld on everyone encourages “blowback”, rendering their efforts children’s crusades which facilitate opportunities of how to drown a drowning man with the maximum of “blowback”, which are often best left unactivated, since cadavers give rise to complications.
Such ignorance is not limited to some “Ukrainians” but saturates the coercive social relations self-misrepresented as “The United States of America” including some whom believe themselves to be Polish and Israeli citizens.
The ignorance of opponents facilitates lands of opportunities, whilst the hatred/vindictiveness of opponents facilitate vectors through which these opportunities can be accelerated/encouraged.
A pertinent vector in this case may be the question “Whatever happened to Mr. Bandera ?” which some are presently pondering in various locations.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 15:16 utc | 174

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 14:39 utc | 172
There’s a huge difference between being from someplace and having a grandad from said place.
Some New Yorkers fancying themselves Tomeinians after their grandpas doesn’t change the fact that they’re not, regardless of their heritage, attitude or political affiliation.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 15 2021 15:25 utc | 175

RE: Posted by: Grieved | Nov 15 2021 4:25 utc | 163
“you’re replying to someone who is zero-sum: for one thing to be right, all else must be wrong. “
Only in aggregate, rendering these components/vectors comprising the aggregate lands of opportunity facilitated by other’s immersion in zero sums and other linear constructs in a lateral world.
That has very wide application and utility.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 15:33 utc | 176

Magda Tam @ 174
When I said Ukrainian parents absolutely…. I get to say that because I have been there. I have witnessed this. As a child. As an adult. These are people I know.
It does not mean absolutely every Ukrainian parent does this. It is extremely common and it is organized. Ukrainian children two and three generations from emigration have difficulties escaping the milieu. Ukrainian families who arrived in Chicago in the 1890s are just as locked in the mindset as those who arrived in the 1990s. At which point it makes sense to add that Ukrainian nationalism was created in Chicago as much as anyplace else and perhaps more than in the home country.
It is not possible to teach the concept of history to those who just will not have it. America lives in an eternal present.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 15:59 utc | 177

So is this MOA guy still a virus panicker? I haven’t been back for a while because he lost all credibility for me when he went over to the Deep State dark side and started promoting their obvious lies.
Posted by: Freemon Sandlewould | Nov 14 2021 13:59 utc | 6
Dear James
Hurling drive by insults to b and all the rest of us.
I am sick of them. I think many are sick of them.
The media/government is turning the population against each other.
This is how the Nazis did it. Makes it ok for apatheid to happen.
As for hijacking threads some folks use pages and pages for unimportant personal conversations. We all just scroll past.
I concur with Grieved … this is the MOST important ever-evolving historical calamity any of us have lived through. Our institutions have deomnized the unvaxed for zero reason except to sell their vaccines and are creating a closed society under our noses.
This should be a personal choice… PERIOD.
We are watching genocide for money but shhhhh

Posted by: ld | Nov 15 2021 16:13 utc | 178

Misotheist | Nov 15 2021 15:25 utc | 175; Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 14:39 utc | 172; uncle tungsten | Nov 14 2021 23:17 utc | 156; others…
$.02
To be offspring of a rabid Diaspora leaves geo/ethnic identities largely intact (Think useful to the “West” Fascists and Paperclip). I would argue that is even more true when there is Uber nationalist identity in the family tree who actively participated in ethnic violence and war crimes ala World War 2. That would be a particular diaspora which strongly rejects heritage that is commingled with Russia today and yesterday, particularly.
From actions and words, by them, published and reported, I don’t think it is unreasonable to identify Frau Nuland, Herr Blinken, and Frau Christia Freeland as acting more like Western Ukrainian hate filled Nationalists than patriotic Canadian or US citizens.
No one is claiming that ALL Ukrainians teach their children revanchism… such assertion is “strawman”. However, the aforementioned seem to fit the Western Ukranian mold to the “T”.

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 15 2021 16:18 utc | 179

@ Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:55 utc | 171
You write as if you’ve already read the complete works of Marx, Lenin and Mao, when in reality we know you didn’t.

Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 16:38 utc | 180

Posted by: Oldhippie| Nov 15 2021 15:59 utc | 177
Did you get to see the movie The Brother 2? Chicago ukrainians play a considerable role in it.
Chicago is one of those places that skirted by me, I did not grab the oportunity to know it, the lady was there but an unexpected incident spoiled the big chance that I had. Oh well, got to see many other places and US cities but when Chicago comes up it is all regrets for me.
The song is called “No one writes to the Colonel”, Chicago-Moscow, not Colombia 😉
https://youtu.be/1u7WN2zBEDc

Posted by: Paco | Nov 15 2021 16:57 utc | 181

RE: Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 16:38 utc | 180
” when in reality we know you didn’t.”
The reality is that by interpreting a datastream you believe I didn’t and sought to infer I did, relying on your regular practice of speculation as a substitute for knowledge.
All datastreams have utility for those who can render them so, including but not restricted to the interpretations and beliefs of others, particularly when others resort to emotionalism through insecurities, and ejaculate prematurely.
Enjoy your journey even if it a revolution around a fixed point.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 16:59 utc | 182

RE : Posted by: Oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 15:59 utc | 177
“America lives in an eternal present.”
The body of your contribution illustrates your ineptitude in analysis including methods, whilst your sentence quoted above illustrates your ignorance of science and resort to belief.
Perhaps you should consider the adage that when you are in a deepening hole you should stop digging ?

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 17:09 utc | 183

@ Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 16:59 utc | 182
If you want to manifest your opinion, you’re free to do so.
Just don’t pretend to be something you’re not. That’s charlatanism.

Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 17:21 utc | 184

paco @ 181
Great movie. Too much violence, at least it is done artfully. Everything else just brilliant.
Too late to see Chicago. As New York or San Fran or Paris now just a shell. Rich people. The Chicago scenes in Brother are all right on the cusp, don’t think even with camera work and editing table it could be done again. Certainly could not be lived in 2021.
No more replies to the duller people on this thread. I made a small but valid point. Surround that point with a ream of shouted idiocy and the original content just disappears. Idiots win every time on social media.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 15 2021 19:39 utc | 185

A very entertaining show of mental gymnastics trying to dance around the fact that Nuland and Blinken are second generation New Yorkers engaged in stereotypical ameriKKKan shenanigans.
An american-born Ukrainian is already a dubious stretch of the concept, Ukrainians born in America to american parents and raised in America is a contradiction in terms and an impossibility in practice, regardless of what delusions to the contrary they, their families or third parties may harbor.
An adequate description would be an american of ukrainian ancestry.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 15 2021 22:10 utc | 186

Misotheist | Nov 15 2021 22:10 utc | 186
Talk about mental gymnastics… All to avoid the whole point of the original comment. Sheesh!

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 15 2021 23:17 utc | 187

@185 oldhippie – “I made a small but valid point. Surround that point with a ream of shouted idiocy and the original content just disappears.”
No, it doesn’t disappear. We are like birds, picking over the wasteland, cherishing the little gems and nuggets of information, savoring them and taking their nourishment.
We skip over the rest.
And as I have posted before, but will enjoy doing again, skipping is magnificent:
Michael McIntyre on Walking and Skipping | Live at the Apollo

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 16 2021 1:22 utc | 188

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:55 utc | 171
Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Mao Zedong each has different take on how to promote the proletarian class and how they can apply egalitarian policy in greater state levels governance. Karl Marx and Lenin works influenced by cultural Christianity’s whereas Mao Zedong influenced by Confucianism.
Clearly you have never read the works of any of them but i wouldn’t blame you since learning about communism is forbidden in ‘democratic’ country just like learning science is forbidden during Christianity/Catholicism era.
Because the critical question the ‘communists’ poses in their works is undeniably true and they offered logical ideas on how to resolve them.
Just to note that both Karl Marx and Alexander Solzhenitsyn an anti communist have written in common on humanity dilemmas. Their works are based off humanism.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 16 2021 4:13 utc | 189

RE: Posted by: Lucci | Nov 16 2021 4:13 utc | 189
“Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Mao Zedong each has different take on how to promote the proletarian class and how they can apply egalitarian policy in greater state levels governance. Karl Marx and Lenin works influenced by cultural Christianity’s whereas Mao Zedong influenced by Confucianism. “
RE: Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:55 utc | 171
Thank you for your illustration of the process of interpreting datastreams then responding to your own interpretation, a process which facilitated the Marxism/Leninism/Maoist brand which was created in attempts from the mid 1920’s onwards to underpin “The Soviet Union” and afterwords “The PRC”, through not posing the caution of “Do you think your opponent is as stupid as you are ?”
This was attempted through coordinated means, including but not limited to,
assigning the study of Marxism/Leninism the significance of a mandatory subject in the curricula of “Soviet” education using textbooks of interpretations rather than complete works even at University level
access to some works being restricted,
the building of statues of Mr. Marx Mr. Engels and Mr. Lenin in locations throughout “The Soviet Union” ,
the usage of posters of Mr. Marx, Mr. Engels and Mr. Lenin constantly; not limited to special ocassions/parades,
the creation of prizes named after them,
in order to minimise consideration and development of Dialectical Historical Materialism which was correctly perceived as posing a threat to the continuation of “The Soviet Union”.
By 1969 some realised that:
“The Soviet Union” was not sustainable for various reasons
That opponents would seek to use the opportunities facilitated by the implosion of “The Soviet Union”
That preparations should be made to “drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback”
early preparations including, but not limited to,
The lateral process of restructuring (perestroika) of the KGB from 1971 onwards
Accelerating the process worldwide of collecting various “versions” of the works of Mr. Marx and Mr. Engels including notes made by them which informed various works including Grundrisse.
The publishing of their works in updated versions in various languages from 1972 onwards.
The contents of Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 15 2021 11:55 utc | 171 are primarily related to these processes and their purposes, not an interpretation of the works of Mr. Marx, Mr. Engels and Mr. Lenin.
“Clearly you have never read the works of any of them …”
Thank you for your illustration of your reliance on belief and certainty possibly as a function of omniscience ?
The prevalence of this practice was one of the reasons that Progress Publishers published the series of The Collected Works of Marx and Engels in various languages from 1972 onwards.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 16 2021 9:28 utc | 190

Talk about mental gymnastics… All to avoid the whole point of the original comment. Sheesh!
Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 15 2021 23:17 utc | 187
I’m not here to make your point.
You’re here to make your point.
I’m here to make mine, which is exceedingly simple: if you’re born in Tomeinia, to Tomeinian-born parents; raised in Tomeinia – and most likely groomed to hold Tomeinian public offices to boot – the only thing there’s room for you to be, is Tomeinian.
Whether your grandparents are Bacterian, Laputan, or Shangrilese; and whether they’ve educated you into the Atlantean Ways of War or Narnian Magic is by now entirely accidental – secondary, accessory. Knowing the Atlantean Ways of War or Narnian Magic doesn’t mystically alter where you, your children, or your parents were born and raised.
Why is this important?
Because otherwise the entire concept of “being from somewhere” collapses into a recursive implosion of meaninglessness: those Laputans that moved to Tomeinia, probably moved into Laputa from somewhere else, as long as we can track that: Bam, they’re no longer Laputan. Now it turns they’re Hy-Brasilian. Since there are no actual disqualifying strictures, and heritage is the only determining factor, our original Tomeinian-Born and Tomeinian-Raised Laputan is not even that, it’s a Tomeinian-Born and Tomeinian-Raised Hy-Brasilian; even though this person has absolutely nothing to do with Hy-Brasil, and their family has had nothing to do with Hy-Brasil for 6 or 7 generations – a preposterous notion.

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 16 2021 9:33 utc | 191

RE: Posted by: vk | Nov 15 2021 17:21 utc | 184
“If you want to manifest your opinion, you’re free to do so.
Just don’t pretend to be something you’re not. That’s charlatanism.”
Thank you for your illustration of your reliance on belief and certainty possibly as a function of omniscience ?
I wish you success in your evangelism which may concentrate the efforts of some on continuing spectatorship thereby aiding an answer to the question “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?” since cadavers can pollute the water supply.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 16 2021 9:44 utc | 192

@MagdaTam
Interjecting “datastream” and “lateral” every paragraph doesn’t do anything for your argumentation, it only makes you read like an overengineered bot.
The USSR ostensibly accomplished what it set out to do, and then some; and it was never meant to be approved or found tasteful by liberals, the remnants of ousted classes, or the foreign bourgeoisie, petty or not.
Degeneration started to settle in with Khruschev’s coup and his anti-Stalin campaign.
For all the throwing around of the names of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mao; there’s little to no mention of Stalin here.
Do yourselves a favor and fucking read Stalin, his style is comprehensive and approachable; particularly recommendable are “Marxism and Questions of Linguistics” and the texts on Leninism where he explains the importance of the means of production in historical development. Marxism and the National Question is an extremely important and influential text, although not as enjoyable.
“What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.”

Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 16 2021 10:14 utc | 193

uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2021 10:37 utc | 168
Just a snippet. Compare the two flags, Macron thinks the darker blue behind him is more aesthetic. So he changed the old sky-bue colour.
Napoleon ended up fighting other Europeans, wrong attitude.
Macron promises help for the Neo’Ns in Ukraine.
Macron wants to “unify” the EU…… under one banner?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59283134
https://www.belltower.news/far-right-symbols-the-reich-flag-103737/

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 16 2021 12:09 utc | 194

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 16 2021 12:09 utc | 194
So Macron and Boris are both products of elite schools?
They seem very alike in many ways.
“Boundless self-confidence” and a naive focus on appearances, since that is all they really know.
The “we make our own reality” people. High decadence, in flower, right now.
They don’t seem to realize, they will never beat the original.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2021 12:32 utc | 195

Grieved @ 188
You are always kind. This note is for you.
Something I learned from the late Edith Z Hartnett, though hardly original to her.
Any narrative begins with the narrator introducing himself. This is natural, it orients the reader. The normal introduction is for the narrator to name his family and give a bit of the family history. Only orphans come up with different intros. Orphans and Americans. American readers will typically read over and elide that family history.. Which is why we are always disoriented and always vulnerable to the flimflam man.
Two examples. When John McCain crashed his plane in Vietnam the Vietnamese knew in less than an hour that he was the son of Admiral McCain, Andy they knew clearly who the Admiral was. His treatment was always conditioned on that knowledge. Americans never knew his parentage. And never cared. When McCain married The Mob this was similarly entirely ignored. Why would anyone care? The wife’s family made the alliance for a reason, not because this moron with an IQ of 95 was in himself a great catch.
I have a Chinese friend who can recite his ancestry back to the Sung dynasty. Over forty generations. His daughter thought of herself as American and never cared to learn. Then she began working in China. Came home and her father taught her. Reciting her ancestry to High Party she received deep bows. From proper Marxists. And then endless introductions to more High Party.
The importance of family is basically all cultures, all of history. The big exception is America. We most emphatically were all born yesterday. We are all self-made. We are all autodidacts. Well, almost all of us.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 16 2021 15:22 utc | 196

RE : Posted by: Misotheist | Nov 16 2021 10:14 utc | 193
“The USSR ostensibly accomplished what it set out to do, and then some; and it was never meant to be approved or found tasteful by liberals, the remnants of ousted classes, or the foreign bourgeoisie, petty or not.
Degeneration started to settle in with Khruschev’s coup and his anti-Stalin campaign.”
Thank you for your illustration of your reliance on interpetration, emotionalism, and belief which are, and likely have been, vectors facilitating you being rendered a “useful fool”.
I wish you success in your evangelism which may concentrate the efforts of some on continuing spectatorship, thereby aiding an answer to the question “How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?” since cadavers can pollute the water supply, as was illustrated in varying degrees by “The Soviet Union” from at least its inception in 1922, which was and continues to be a component facilitating the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by the Russian Federation.
““The USSR ostensibly accomplished what it set out to do, and then some; and it was never meant to be approved or found tasteful by liberals, the remnants of ousted classes, or the foreign bourgeoisie, petty or not.”
It was meant to be approved (and supported) by the narod which it progressively failed to achieve, and hence did not accomplish what it set out to do.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Nov 16 2021 16:31 utc | 197

Misotheist | Nov 16 2021 9:33 utc | 191
Vested in your very own “mental” gymnastics. Something you accused “oldhippie” of. (My apologies to “oldhippie” and others for prolonging this.)
Mis…
“I’m not here to make your point.
You’re here to make your point.”
And your “point” remains irrelevant.
The original comment wasn’t mine.
My comment wasn’t suggesting you should make my point… Something you do in spades, despite your protestations, by your expletive filled terrier like tirades.
What are you? 12? 17? Asking for a friend.
And I do think you are pretty self-absorbed.
Ratio of wheat to chaff seems to be plummeting. No plump kernels there. I can guarantee your fertilizer isn’t going to improve the yield either.

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Nov 16 2021 17:15 utc | 198

@196 oldhippie – thank you

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 16 2021 17:20 utc | 199

I fear a repeat of the disaster that was the British/French guarantee to Poland. Whatever you think of Hitler, World War Two should not have been allowed to happen.
Without a guarantee, Poland would have come to terms with Germany. That would have made Poland a German satellite, as other states in Eastern Europe had become, or were about to become. But that would have been better than war.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 17 2021 1:18 utc | 200