A Look Back At Russiagate
The Steele dossier about Trump and Russia has now been fully debunked as a collection of made up stories that it had obviously always been. That it took nearly five years to be officially acknowledged as such points to undue power of media who had pushed it.
Today I went down into the Moon of Alabama archive to look up when and what I had first written about it. I am quite happy to have found that I had been on top of the issue.
But first a recap from Thursday's story to bring everyone up to speed:
The 2016 Clinton campaign paid the legal firm Perkins Coie to produce dirt about Donald Trump. A Perkins Coie lawyer hired Fusion GPS, a shady 'research' firm run by a former Wall Street Journal reporter. Fusion GPS hired the British private spy company Orbis to find (or makeup) the Trump dirt it needed. The 'former' British MI6 spy Christopher Steele of Orbis was tasked with developing a dossier about Trump. Steele hired Igor Danchenko, a Russian living in the United States, to come up with Trump-Russiagate stories. Danchenko's problem was that he had no sources. But he also worked for Chuck Dolan, a Clinton operative who was also working to hold a business conference in Moscow and knew some Kremlin related people.
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Clinton operative Dolan fed Danchenko several stories which Danchenko then dramatized and sent to Steele. Steele revised those stories and put them into his 'dossier'. This was then peddled by Fusion GPS and Steele to the media and the FBI. Some of the tales Dolan fed to Danchenko were simply taken from media reports.In October 2016 The FBI used the Steele dossier to get a wiretap application to snoop on the Trump campaign. It continued to use the Steele dossier to renew its snooping application even when it already knew that the dossier was nothing but nonsense.
The media had loved the dossier and used it as a weapon against Trump. See Aaron Maté writeup for the details on that.
Russiagate has no rock bottom
The indictment of the Steele dossier's key source newly humiliates the Clinton campaign, FBI, and US media.
The dossier was first published by Buzzfeed on January 10 2017, ten days before Trump's inauguration. It was not a single sensation but part of a much larger campaign.
Even before it came out there was already a flurry of rumors and media screeds about alleged Russian involvement in the U.S. election. On January 6 2017 I had found that all those claims had on thing in common: There was zero evidence to support them and they had, all together, a 'higher' political purpose.
New Intelligence Report Adds No Evidence Of "Russian Hacking" (Updated)
When Hillary Clinton was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Donald Trump.The ultimate aim of the cabal is to kick him out of office and have a reliable replacement, like the Vice-President elect Pence, take over. Should that not be possible it is hoped that the delegitimization will make it impossible for Trump to change major policy trajectories especially in foreign policy. A main issue here is the reorientation of the U.S. military complex and its NATO proxies from the war of terror towards a direct confrontation with main powers like Russia and China.
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The current emphasis of the campaign is on the release of emails and papers from the Clinton campaign through Wikileaks. It is alleged that some releases were gained through hacking, planned and executed by the Russian government. Trump had announced that he plans to seek good relations with Russia, the power that the cabal had earlier chosen as the new enemy de jour.But there is a problem. There is no real evidence that a "hack" ever happened. There is no evidence that Russia is involved. None at all.
Then came the Steele dossier. A day after it was published I again pointed to the lack of evidence and called it a fake:
The Deep State Versus Donald Trump - New Smears And The Ukrainian Connection
The deep state campaign against Trump opened new grounds today with the publication of completely fake and thereby unverifiable anonymous assertions which include the smear that Trump had some fun in a Moscow hotel and that Russian secret services are using that to manipulate him.
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The anonymous former British operator hears from an anonymous asserted compatriot that two anonymous sources, asserted to have access to inner Russian circles, claim to have heard somewhere that something is happening within the Kremlin.They assert that Trump was supported and directed by Putin himself since five years ago while even a year ago no one would have bet a penny on Trump gaining any political significant position or even the presidency.
There is a lot more of such nonsense in these new Hitler diaries. It is bonkers from a to z.
It was easy to see that the dossier was a bunch of nonsense. There was no evidence for any of its claims and one part of it had already been proven to be false. The dossier claimed that Trumps lawyer/advisor Michael Cohen had been in Prague to hire hackers. Cohen had never been to Prague.
But the media had been given its orders and irresponsibly acted on them. As Craig Murray wrote at that time:
Michael Cohen has now stated he has never been to Prague in his life. If that is true the extremely weak credibility of the entire forgery collapses in total. What is more, contrary to the claims of the Guardian and Washington Post that the material is “unverifiable”, the veracity of it could be tested extremely easily by the most basic journalism, ie asking Mr Cohen who has produced his passport. The editors of the Washington Post and the Guardian are guilty of pushing as blazing front page news the most blatant forgery to serve their own political ends, without carrying out the absolutely basic journalistic checks which would easily prove the forgery. Those editors must resign.
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As forgeries go, this is really not in the least convincing. It was very obviously not written seriatim on the dates stated but forged as a collection and with hindsight.
There were a few others, who like Craig and me, could see the reality and talked about it:
Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled - 15:31 UTC · 13 Jan 2017
One more time kids: the piss-Trump "kompromat" is 100% American: ordered by Americans, targeting an American, planted in American press
It was the media that played the most malicious role in the whole affair. Make no mistake - the editors knew that the dossier was fake. Steele and Fusion GPS had been peddling it to them for months. They had tried to verify it and failed. But they did not tell their readers about it. They instead hyped what the various deep-state actor whispered to them about it. It was like the fake 'Weapons of Mass Distructions in Iraq' stories in the run up to the Iraq war. Only worse.
On January 12 2017 I wrote another post about the dossier nonsense which looked deeper into the political motives behind the fake:
President Obama, major U.S. intelligence heads, neoconservatives, the British government, Ukrainian "nationalist (aka fascist) circles and the Clinton campaign conspire against Trump and try to derail his announced policy changes. Trump has argued for better relations with Russia and for a concentrated fight in Syria and Iraq against ISIS and other Takfiris and Islamists. This endangers Obama's legacies of starting a new cold war with Russia and of pampering al Qaeda and ISIS to overthrow the Syrian government.
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The fight as it is waged now is an attempt to redirect Trump's foreign policies and to generally lesson his foreign policy power.
Back then I was optimistic that the campaign would fail to achieve its aims. While I did get most of Russiagate right it have unfortunately been wrong with that judgment. Trump survived the permanent 'Russiagate' onslaught but his policies towards Russia were seriously hampered and he ended up with creating more hostile relations with Russia.
Meanwhile the deep state actors who had pushed Russiagate all ended up in lucrative positions at CNN and elsewhere. The 'journalists' who ran the fake stories got promoted.
Those who had been right were given no recognition.
Posted by b on November 8, 2021 at 18:54 UTC | Permalink
next page »Here's an interesting exercise:
When Hillary Clinton was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Donald Trump.
Let's do some substitutions:
When Donald Trump was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Joe Biden.
Admittedly not a perfect substitution, but the 'tit for tat' is quite amusing (and far from over)!
Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 8 2021 19:15 utc | 2
Most of the Clinton attempts of rigging the democratic primary was probably given to wikileak by a whistling but weren't the podesta email hacked materials?
Posted by: A.z | Nov 8 2021 19:15 utc | 3
"In Oceania there is no law." -- George Orwell, 1984
State-Secret Sadism
Smith and Assange (namely, Winston and Julian)
Both as in Nineteen and Eighty and Four,
Faced a grim task positively Herculean:
How to report on the Truth about War?
“Secret,” and “need to know,” “eyes only,” “classified,”
Crime and incompetence hidden from sight.
Voters: the enemy; knowledge: tyrannicide;
Staying in power the oligarchs’ plight.
Meanwhile in Airstrip One (London) – America
Argues that Julian must not go free.
“Guilt” by presumption. A “trial”? Esoterica.
First comes the sentence; the verdict? We’ll see . . .
Belmarsh for Julian waiting while “judges” snore.
Lawfare makes “courts” Oceania’s whore.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2021
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 19:18 utc | 4
Telling the truth is never, ever rewarded within the US empire. Telling lies is usually the fast-track way to rise in power, though.
Posted by: worldblee | Nov 8 2021 19:18 utc | 5
"Blame, in every case, appears to be a modification, often accompanied by a transference, or "projection" of the primary feeling of self-reproach" -- Charles Sanders Peirce
Stenographers' Assange Envy
Julian languishes,
Rotting in prison while
Those he exposed speak of
"Character flaws"
Which they attribute to
Him while they trample on
Every last vestige of
Freedom and "Laws."
Julian published the
Truth about governments'
Wars and corruption and
Criminal lies,
Things other "journalists"
Should have uncovered, too,
But since they didn't they
Hope that he dies.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2021
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 19:23 utc | 6
In the US the Democrats are the sheepdogs of the Left meme while the GOP is the sheepdog of the Right. And both of those are part of the money party that runs geo-politics in the West.
Russiagate is just one of the Wag The Dog threads of obfuscation of the money party folks behind the curtain. Is Russiagate going to take down the money party? HA!
Russiagate is 5 years of misdirection shoved up the public's ass. Look at the public's response to the Covid lies and misdirection.....can I have more massa....
The shit show continues until it doesn't and thankfully there are examples of better ways to organize society visible to us and their example of how they live their lives (collectively).
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 8 2021 19:27 utc | 7
Oh such surprise, I cant believe Clintons, the deep state, MSM lied about something. No, no, it is impossible ...
At the end of the day, somebody will start to claim that Biden/Clintons stole elections in 2020 ...
Posted by: Igor | Nov 8 2021 19:34 utc | 8
This time we meant to kill you
"Precision" Strikes, unlike the other kind,
Hit whom we aim at, not like when we miss
As happens mostly. Oh, well. Never mind.
To know is treason. Ignorance is bliss.
So say the ones in charge, both deaf and blind,
Whose jobs depend on which bare ass they kiss
And also those they've willingly maligned:
Who've witnessed ugly War. On these we piss.
And so to vent our Empire's vengeful ire,
At foreigners who tell us where to go
And choose to rule themselves as they desire,
We drop some bombs upon them, just for show.
Before we're ready or we aim, we fire:
The whole point of the exercise, you know.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2021
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 19:35 utc | 9
Spitting Image
Expatriate ex-patriots expectorate
When REMFs proceed to hide behind the troops
Extolling tales of better men who met their fate
In service to a penis pride that droops
Each time a petty presidential potentate
Ignites a war — and in his panties poops.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2021
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 19:38 utc | 10
"HR McMaster, Trump's former National Security Advisor, said this with a straight face today on national TV regarding withdrawal from Afghanistan: 'I think it's abhorrent what we're doing. And I hope that a Biden administration will reassess... We know what happened on 9/11'" -- Michael Tracey [from his Twitter feed].
Exogenous Expropriation of the Execrable
The exfiltrators exfitrated exfiltration
and ex post facto filtered out the facts.
Repeatedly rehearsed regurgitation
recited repetitiously reacts
with fiction, fraud, and fabulous flirtation
producing pious plays in endless acts.
In other words: “intelligence” (dictation)
which Congress – craven, clueless – then redacts
lest, should the slightest truth inform the nation,
it might disrupt their petty power pacts.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2020
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 19:43 utc | 11
Never believed any of the russiagate bullshit from the outset. If would be on news while flipping would just keep on flipping. No point watching bullshit. Does not mean am Trump supporter. Have never supported the GOP (evil organization). Unfortunately, the Democrats are not any better.
From Michael Hudson
"The Democratic role is to protect the Republican party from challenges from the left."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/11/05/is-this-the-end-of-the-unreformable-democratic-party/
Do Clinton/Trump/Biden/etc actually care at all who is in charge? All we do is get more of the same from both parties. Everyone could be discussing how to make the world a better place but we can't have that. Instead some crap like russigate is created to occupy our communications channels.
Almost as if the entire russigate fiasco is a ruse to keep everyone focused on bullshit.
Posted by: Joe | Nov 8 2021 19:57 utc | 12
HRC had convinced the democrats she was "entitled" to be POTUS.
Trump is an opportunist and spotted the market gap and jumped in and despite the republican best efforts won the primary and the presidency.
He used the republican machinery but didn't have the republican hierarchy at his back
There's the problem Trump couldn't surmount.
Both parties were against him and the totality of the permanent government.
He's not truly a part of the status quo and the rest is now history.
This article puts the schemes out in the open.
Posted by: JPC | Nov 8 2021 20:02 utc | 13
Nice wrap-up.
The years of pumping Trump/Russia hysteria, in opposition to even the gentlest criticism of its lack of factual base, have taken their toll. US journalism has given up even the pretense of impartiality. The full-on propaganda mode, that I foolishly hoped in the early 2000's was only temporary, seems permanent now. It's too bad.
Posted by: ptb | Nov 8 2021 20:03 utc | 14
Props to you and Craig Murray, as well as Aaron Mate and other steadfast supporters of the Truth. (Isn't Mr. Murray now in prison for standing up for Julian Assange?)
"We're an Empire now and we create our own reality" said Karl Rove.
Yep.
The idiot Dems still believe the Russiagate story, because it is actually the Dems who are now so divorced from reality that they loudly demand that logic and reason be censored and banned.
They clung to Robert Mueller, ex-FBI chief who covered up 9-11 and the anthrax bioweapon attacks of 2001. They never cared that Mueller didn't bother to question Julian Assange, who repeatedly stated that Russia was not involved in the leaks, and who offered an award for the solving of the murder of Seth Rich (which has never happened, although the FBI still has his computer, as far as I know. They probably keep it stashed with Hunter Biden's computer, which they got in 2019 and kept suppressed).
It is the Dems who push the Woke theories, like the one that says that there is no such thing as sexual dimorphism in humans, and that male rapists should be put into women's prisons, or that math is racist.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 8 2021 20:08 utc | 15
Trump's #1 mistake IMO was his failure to prosecute Hillary Clinton for her many crimes AND to dig deeply into the criminally corrupt Clinton Foundation while cloaking the entire action in Law & Order rhetoric. Then there was his inept dealing with Russiagate itself. As with Biden, Trump betrayed his voting base to satisfy the Donor Class he's a part of. The results I reported in the week in review comment I made a few minutes ago.
For someone desiring the downfall of the Outlaw US Empire, Russiagate was a positive event. It greatly weakened BigLie Media's ability to set the global narrative and prompted truth-seeking citizens to look for other places to get informed. Mish-mashed together with Trump's own lies, authoritarian demeanor, and that of his subordinates, the Empire lost a huge amount of credibility that it will never recoup. And IMO, the world is generally better off Russiagate was pursued.
Why "Let's go Brandon" is working its magic.
Let's Go Brandon worked, works and will continue working because...
Proof Of The Lie Was Simultaneous With The Lie. The miracle was no-one demanded "Show me!"...it just happened.
Just as if Colin Powel's vial of "anthrax" ai the United Nations in 2003 broke and the powder fell all over him! Fake-news for all to see and instantly conclude he and thigh government officials are fakers and mis-leaders..not leaders. Not to be trusted again. Just shunned until they expire or fully confess and ask forgiveness.
"Show me!" is all any human needs to demand in order to un-create the lies.
In that way, each person can be responsible for his own education.
Knowing, having certainty without trusting others.
Posted by: chu teh | Nov 8 2021 20:34 utc | 17
re: "The dossier was first published by Buzzfeed on January 10 2017 . ."
On that same day CNN first publicized the Steele dossier. After Obama's farewell speech Jan 10, 2017 when other networks were totally into analyzing the speech and Obama's legacy, Jake Tapper was tearing into the dossier like it was really evidence that Trump should not show up for his inauguration ten days later on January 20, 2017. CNN reported that classified documents presented to Obama and Trump the previous week included allegations that Russian operatives possess "compromising personal and financial information" about Trump.
re: " A day after it was published I again pointed to the lack of evidence and called it a fake"
The next day, according to Politico, at his first press conference in months, President-elect Donald Trump refused to take a question from CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta, calling the cable news channel "fake news." After Acosta and Trump sparred, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer threatened to throw Acosta out of the conference, concerning some journalists and free-press advocates.
“Your organization is terrible,” Trump shouted at Acosta during the conference, after Acosta tried to ask Trump a question. "I am not going to give you a question. You are fake news.” . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 8 2021 20:39 utc | 18
@Maracatu #2
Where is the Biden Steele dossier?
Where is the MSM chorus of attacks?
Biden’s problems are entirely own goals: lockdowns screwed up the economy and supply chain, massive printing pushed up the prices for everything and worker pricing power up, Biden jawboning and COVID recovery pushed up energy prices.
All this in a mere 9 months.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 8 2021 20:40 utc | 19
Michael Tracey @mtracey:
“Amazing! Russia supposedly “hacked” the entire US federal government but never got around to “hacking” a few electoral jurisdictions in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia such that their Puppet President could receive another four years to carry out a pro-Kremlin geopolitical agenda.”
Vladimir Putin’s DNA Detected
The Russians did whatever some imagine
they did because, you know, they’re Russians, so
that tells you what explains your accusations
as down the rabbit hole you glibly go.
No need for evidence or proof presented.
It is because it will be ’cause it was.
Just utter word-like noises and transcribe them
in spell-marks like the good factotum does.
Then have your friends repeat what you have written
till repetition makes the false seem “true”
by which you mean “unquestioned” (not the same thing).
Your reputation now looks black and blue.
Allege “the Russians did it!” loud and often.
No need to tell us what you mean by “it.”
Believe whatever Deep State minions tell you.
Say “classified” a lot (which smells like shit).
Red-baiting worked out well for Richard Nixon
and Joe McCarthy, two among the dregs
of history. Now Democrats try their hand
at teaching their grandmothers to suck eggs.
Republicans invented “Russia-gating”
before the “Water-” prefix made its mark
So asking them for yet another lesson
would seem like playing dinner for the shark.
But Democrats and CNN think FOX News
provides the best example of the art.
So Rupert Murdoch wins while imitators
produce pure wind not worth a squirrel fart.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2020
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 20:41 utc | 20
"The 'journalists' who ran the fake stories got promoted. Those who had been right were given no recognition."
Same with Saddam's WMD bullshit, so no surprise there.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 8 2021 20:42 utc | 21
Show me! ...
There are other ways to do "Show me!".Any tech that enables any form of demonstration to show the facts of some claim will do.
Believe it ot not, forms of clay-modelling are not only old tech, they have mostly been forgotten...Just clay-modelling how our banking system works will show the hidden lies and the missing data!
Re-teach people clay-modelling and empire everyone.
Posted by: chu teh | Nov 8 2021 20:44 utc | 22
You got it right from the very begging, b, hats off to you, pour yourself a double, it's indeed a coup considering the ploy was designed very well.
It took five years because the outcome, which many suspected to be false, those putting it together knew it was false, only a few came to the view it was false, many wallowed it hook, line and sinker, the outcome didn't matter at all, it was the process that did the harm, the longer the process went the greater the harm tp the Donald, the plebeians don't dig deep into any issue, they only scan the headlines, and the MSM poodles ensured the headlines tell the lie.
How did the great Republic sink that low?
Posted by: Baron | Nov 8 2021 20:46 utc | 24
I am entirely on side with those rejoicing in the exposure of the Russiagate hoax and I don’t mind at all that Moon publicly congratulates himself for his acuity and prescience. But there is an important footnote to this story that I do not think should be ignored: the real victim of Russiagate may not have been Donald Trump but Bernie Saunders. Why? Because if the US media had not been allowed to deflect attention away from the content of the Posada emails by furiously fuelling the allegation of Russian hacking the Democrats would have been forced to confront the fact that they cheated egregiously to make sure that H Clinton was their presidential candidate and not Saunders. We now know the Russians DID NOT cheat in order give Trump the US Presidency; we also know the Democrats DID cheat to make sure there would not be a President Saunders.
Aren’t both facts worth remembering?
Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Nov 8 2021 20:55 utc | 25
Got any naked pics of your wife? No! Wanna buy some?
2 things, Cohen could have his dual Israeli passport and some of the material in the dossier was materially correct . . . . . the spelling . . . .an Oxbridge edumakation helps there.
If a country, the USSofA, is willing to murder 3000 + folks in a false flag event and commit genocide across the globe then a little BS dossier is kids play.
Posted by: WTFUD | Nov 8 2021 20:55 utc | 26
Thanks b, as usual you were on this issue correctly, however, if DJT wasn't such a serial liar, and grifter, that issue would have less wings.
https://www.vox.com/2020/9/29/21493319/trump-russia-if-youre-listening-comments-rewrite-history
Posted by: vetinLA | Nov 8 2021 21:07 utc | 27
@27 vetinLA
Yes Trump's a Bigly pathological liar, but no more so than Biden, Obama, Bubba Bush and Clinton. It's just that MSM highlight his lies Moar.
Posted by: WTFUD | Nov 8 2021 22:08 utc | 28
Follow this convoluted tale — if you can — to see, as I do, how the Democrats are now turning on one another!
(I believe we are in the time when creating chaos is the main goal, so please check me out!)
Posted by: Ellie | Nov 8 2021 22:11 utc | 29
po po wee Donald, the victim..always the victim. Don't cha know as my old bro the ex Mountie and Donald like reprobate used to say.
Why the system has done him wrong, again. Never mind that he is a cartoon like figure and grifter extraordinaire. "Carnival barking clown" as more polite elite circles in New York, who he aspired to join called him when he was at a distance. They could of course excuse his father's war profiteering and ongoing bribery of civil servants as normal behaviour for their ilk. Even his Grandfather's disreputal pursuits. But his being so uncouth, such a tabloid attention seeking whore and self aggrandizing liar and cheat that makes him unacceptable to all except the Benny Netanyahu's of the world, with whom the Trump fambily had a long standing relationship.
Trump went all in on the side of Netanyahu, the old family friend, and attacked the Palestinian people with all the might of the United States of America. The Syrian people too, and the pos sucked up to Moe Bin Sawman for the bucks.
Frankly I don't care if the wicked witch of the west and her cabal of vicious liars and cheats attacked that low life scum bag. Two peas in a rotten pod.
What I care about is Ella, the little Syrian girl who UNHCR highlighted in a video, who hasn't been able to speak since the bombs landed outside her home. And the many thousands similar to that innocent little girl. What Washington and Israel have done to Ella and all the innocents like her, is what good people should not tolerate, we should not remain silent while so many fret about which meme gets the most likes.
RT could lay off the booty shaking and UFC garbage if it wants to be taken more seriously btw. Said bc this is a Russia leaning site.
That said: The Red army “tore the guts out of” the Nazi war machine
Not sure if Churchill said that with a hint of admiration.
I do know that my Dad's life as he knew it ended in Normandy, and that our government cheated and lied to him and continued on doing the same after he died.
Sometimes I wonder what the point of being a King and Country Man really is if King and Country are going to screw you in the end. And that's not country specific, it's a universal thing.
Which brings me back to Ella. Ground zero. What matters most.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlqDmLsied4
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Posted by: bubbles | Nov 8 2021 22:25 utc | 30
Meanwhile in the hybrid war against Belarus, Lukashenko's migrant offensive seems to be getting results:
"'Until these senseless sanctions and efforts to humiliate our people are dropped, we won’t talk to them, and we won’t kneel before them,' Lukashenko said early in September, shortly after unveiling a bill enabling border guards to send asylum seekers rejected in the EU back into the bloc."
The migrants are organized and inventive as shown in these pics attempting to breech the Polish attempt at securing its border. Meanwhile, the official liar for the Empire, Ned Price, spewed forth the following projection:
"State Department spokesman Ned Price urged Belarus to stop the alleged encouragement and facilitation of illegal migration.
"'As long as the regime and Belarus refuses to respect its international obligations and commitments, undermines the peace and security of Europe and continues to repress and abuse people seeking nothing more than to live in freedom, we will continue to pressure Lukashenko and will not lessen our calls for accountability,' Price told reporters, according to Reuters."
I expect attempts to continue although Winter will certainly slow the exodus as neither side will back down. And as with Anti-Russian sanctions that will never be lifted, Belarus can assume the same result and will likely continue its policy of allowing migrants clear passage.
Interesting analysis by Alexander Mercouris, that Biden has to send the CIA Director to talk to Putin on a Russian secure telephone line, so the US foreign policy Borg don't go apeshit at what was said and create a political crisis (like Alex. Vindman helped do to Trump). Basically, Biden can't just pick up the phone to Putin, because the Borg will be listening in and act against the President if they disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG_coyOWXLo
So the same Borg that created the whole Russia, Russia, Russia bullshit is trying to hem in Biden, so much that he has to talk with Putin (directly or indirectly) in secret - he doesn't trust them to do what he directs (the power he should have as the President).
Posted by: Roger | Nov 8 2021 22:30 utc | 32
The USA's anti-Russia stance has nothing to do with Russiagate, but is merely the logical conclusion of its "Manifest Destiny" doctrine. In order to be the sole superpower, you have to subjugate Eurasia, that's an unavoidable fact that transcends human vanity.
If the Steele Dossier never had existed, and Russiagate never happened, the USA would simply fabricate another casus belli. It is a waste of time to continue delving into this.
I had been on Orkut since 2002-3, from whence I migrated to Multiply in 2006 along with some other users. On Multiply I met a lot of people, some of whom were Amerikastanis, most of whom were anti Bush and loudly proclaimed their opposition to the Iraq (if not Afghanistan) war. By the early 2010s most of these people migrated to Fakebook, and I reluctantly followed suit when Multiply's new owners killed off the site. By this time Barack Hussein Obama was the Nobel Peace Prizident and Dronemonger In Chief, and those very same anti war and anti Bush people had become enthusiastically pro war as long as it was their (half)black hero doing the murdering. By the time I broke all ties with these so called "friends" and quit Fakebook in disgust in late 2017, I had watched someone who in 2007 had claimed to want to skin George W Bush alive proclaim her admiration of him ten years later, because he'd made an anti Trump speech or something. And, yes, another of these decade-and-a-half long "friends" openly admitted that she knew perfectly well that the "Russia collusion" allegations were horse manure, but she kept repeating them because she thought that was the only way Trump could be removed from office.
Also in 2003 there was the website Bushflash owned by Eric Blumrich, which spent its time exposing Bushist war crimes in Iraq. It was there that I first saw the footage of Iraqi media people being murdered by Amerikastani surveillance helicopters. Bushflash folded the day Obama took office, Blumrich declaring that he had achieved his purpose and that the site was no longer necessary. Years later in 2019 or early 2020 I checked on Blumrich's Twitter, where he invariably referred to Trump as a "traitor". I doubt he was talking about Trump's acknowledged grovelling fealty to the zionist entity.
Going by these precedents I can absolutely guarantee you that Amerikastani politicians, media, and sundry Killarybots - including cartoonists like Ruben Bolling, Jeff Danziger, and others - will never, ever, admit that they had lied or been lied to. They will just ignore the fact the Steele dossier was proved to be fake, or at most will just say that it was not important, there is other proof that Trump was a Russian proxy anyway.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 8 2021 22:35 utc | 34
B, I put up post 29, and I would ask you to check it out and see if it rings your bell. (It seems others are not interested in anything but contributing!)
Posted by: Ellie | Nov 8 2021 22:48 utc | 35
And again, not one mention of House of Putin, House of Trump. Not one. You insult people which is an ad hominem abusive for "falling for it" and calling them charlatans, but you will not go after Craig Unger or Wendy Siegelman who also connected Erik Prince to Russia as well.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 8 2021 22:59 utc | 36
b., thank you. i'd stick by your judgement any day of the week or month or year. that said, 'pissing on the bed' was a too glaring gotcha fabrication to be believed. immediately it sent huge red flags and i'm just not that gullible. for years i couldn't follow the russiagate story, considered it a total waste of time, and there's a certain schadenfreude watching this end unfold. thanks again!
Posted by: annie | Nov 8 2021 23:02 utc | 37
PLEASE, WILL SOMEONE CHECK OT POST #29?
IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE TURNING ON ONE ANOTHER, THEN WE ARE NEAR THE END!
THANK YOU!
Posted by: Ellie | Nov 8 2021 23:10 utc | 38
Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html
Putin's Oligarchs
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/how-putin-s-oligarchs-funneled-millions-into-gop-campaigns/
Trump owes $300 million to bank involved in global money laundering scheme led by Russian criminals
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-owes-300-million-to-bank-involved-in-global-money-laundering-scheme-led-by-russian-criminals/
Posted by: Anon | Nov 8 2021 23:11 utc | 39
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 8 2021 22:35 utc | 34
I hear you mate,
A lot of these amerikastani (brits and getting there too) are so fake or shallow or both. To them it's just like supporting their football team. Their subservience is total and unquestioned. Reasons, policies and facts be damned. Democrazy at its finest i guess.
It doesn't matter if its Hitler they're rooting for as long as it's their party or politician of choice.
Its almost like they have no qualms killing and maiming innocents, destorying countries and cultures, livelihoods and generally fking up the world just so they can advance their domestic political standings.
Oh wait...
It is exactly what they do.
Posted by: A.L. | Nov 8 2021 23:14 utc | 40
The very people who should have known best the real weaknesses, like John Brennan Director of the CIA, were among those who pushed this the hardest.
They must have known, then just done it anyway. This is a deliberate misuse of the CIA in domestic politics. This is a serious crime.
There are many more shoes to drop in this.
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Nov 8 2021 23:14 utc | 41
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 8 2021 20:39 utc | 18:
The next day, according to Politico, at his first press conference in months, President-elect Donald Trump refused to take a question from CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta, calling the cable news channel "fake news."
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If you think the animus between Trump and CNN is genuine, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you. Please send me $500 and the bridge is yours.
Trump was the best thing that ever happened to CNN and CNN was what made Trump president. Both CNN and Trump completely understand how important that phony adversarial relationship was to the success of both CNN and Trump.
https://www.carolinacoastonline.com/national/article_aeea88b8-be10-11eb-90d6-ffe2ec52a2ed.html
Anybody who thinks Russiagate hurt Trump is a moronic gullible idiot.
In 2020 Trump got more votes than any other presidential candidate that came before. Without Russiagate that would never have happened. Russiagate was masterful voter persuasion ploy to attract voters to Trump. Trump knows that because he is not a moron (unlike many of his supporters)
Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2021 23:21 utc | 42
"No need for evidence ... " Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 20:41 utc | 20
I read in NYT (thus I can recommend it without hesitation) why demanding to "see evidence" of Russian misdeeds is wrong.
Number one, Russia, lead by a clever alumnus of intelligence, is very, very cunning. They now how to hide the evidence, so the very lack of evidence points to them. No less expert than Microsoft concludes Russian culpability on that basis. Thus this is a very reputable approach. And it is not only Microsoft.
Number two, lack of apparent motivation is the hallmark of maskirovka, so that argument should be rejected as well.
Number three, revelations like Danchenko case could be another cunning Russian tactic: spike otherwise solid case of their misdeeds with utter b.....t provided by their agents. Thus the rest of RussiaGate should be regarded as a solid case.
Last, but not list, any discussion about evidence or possible motivations or the lack of it is fundamentally wrong BECAUSE IT MAKES PUTIN HAPPY. There is no larger mistake than that.
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Anybody who thinks Russiagate hurt Trump is a moronic gullible idiot.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2021 23:21 utc | 42
Sure thing, but if we believe that Democrats are evil, then that makes RussiaGate a good thing. I recall that "Russian posts" were evil because they were fomenting "division and distrust", and RussiaGate was orders of magnitude more effective in that direction. Then again, if Democrats lack survival instinct, then however non-evil, they just should non-survive as they apparently wish.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 8 2021 23:27 utc | 43
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Nov 8 2021 23:14 utc | 41
Yes but nothing will be done about it. It will not get enough airtime and the truth will come out so slowly nothing will be registered by the ADHD goldfish public.
Look over there! Bad China!
Trump had a chance after his inauguration but even he did nothing. You you think anyone heralding from the political establishment will ever do anything?
Look over there! Bad Putin!
The shitshow will indeed go on until it doesn't. The best the world can hope for with the US is a peaceful fall into irrelevance. But sadly I don't think it'll go quietly.
Posted by: A.L. | Nov 8 2021 23:27 utc | 44
NOW, check this out — if you don't think we are near the end —
https://www.sott.net/article/460440-The-public-have-been-led-to-believe-UFOs-dont-exist-But-they-do
This is an extremely interesting article about UFOs that includes an important video!!!
On looking 'deeper' into the origins of this video, I found it is published by Australia, and supported by the US and UK. I believe it is fear porn, but how many people will be aware of this!
How many times have we heard they will bring in an outside force to unite us, the 'sheeple' in fear, and it looks as if that is what they are doing.
So, the article with Maria Barteremo (sp.?) that indicates the Democrats are turning against one another in order to 'save' Obama, and then this attempting-to-be-frightening video about UFOs.
It looks to me like you all might find yourselves wondering why you couldn't slow down and learn a thing or two before we are into it!!!
Have it your way!!! :)
Posted by: Ellie | Nov 8 2021 23:30 utc | 45
@42 You got it. Russiagate was all a vast Russian plot to get Trump elected. Putin is unbelievably devious. He is saving the sex tapes for the next election.
Posted by: dh | Nov 8 2021 23:36 utc | 46
@Ellie 35:
I stopped reading your link at
"In essence, team Obama were true believers (communists)."
After a statement that ridiculous there is nothing more to expect.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 8 2021 23:39 utc | 47
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 8 2021 23:27 utc | 43
Sure thing, but if we believe that Democrats are evil, then that makes RussiaGate a good thing.
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Only an idiot thinks Russiagate was created by Democrats. It was created by Donald Trump for the benefit of Donald trump. Democrats didn't appoint Mueller as special council - the Trump administration did. Every single bombshell that came out of the Mueller investigation was so stupid that it drove millions of voters to support trump.
Watch this video and tell me who it inspires you to vote for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppGj5FOFckM
And nothing in that video was created by democrats. It all emanated from the trump White House.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2021 23:42 utc | 48
Ellie @ 29, 35:
I read the article you linked to and watched the Fox News interview. It certainly is an interesting article though it probably does not cast much new light on what was going on in the Democratic Party after Bill Clinton's Presidency finished in 2000.
I think many MoA barflies in the US already know that even before the 2008 US Presidential elections, there had been hostility between the camps behind Barack Obama and HRC within the Democratic Party. Ideology probably played less of a role than good old fashioned snobbery about who was senior and supposedly had more political experience over someone younger, less politically experienced but who had more charisma and could project visual appeal to minority-group voting blocs. Obama giving HRC the position of Secretary of State was a sop to her side. As the linked article states, getting this position allowed The Klintonator to continue her money-hoovering activities through the Clinton Foundation and other projects so she could launch a later Presidential campaign, to carry out personal projects (like overthrowing the legitimate governments of Honduras in 2010 and Libya in 2011 and generally screwing Latin America, not just Haiti after the 2010 earthquake) and to staff the State Department's senior levels with supporters like Cookie Monster Victoria Nuland who could continue with the secret regime-changing program even after The Klintonator left Obama's administration in 2013 to concentrate on her future failed campaign.
It's quite likely that the Clinton 2016 Presidential campaign's obsession to find and hype any dirt on Donald Trump was due in part to drive any media attention away from Seth Rich's death, irrespective of whether he was or was not leaking Clinton's past private emails to Wikileaks, and any other revelations or evidence that would discredit her campaign in any way, by suggesting that the future first Madame President was anything less than saintly.
Posted by: Jen | Nov 8 2021 23:47 utc | 49
Biswapriya P @ 47:
Oh dear, we both replied to a troll. Best let Ellie keep ranting.
Posted by: Jen | Nov 8 2021 23:53 utc | 50
Chinagate has been running for 77 years (when we firebombed Wuhan, in 1944, burning 33,000 people to death and leaving the city ablaze for three days and nights).
Since our policy towards China has not changed in 77 years, our media have not changed–let alone corrected–their numerous lies.
Now it's too late. China has won and we have consigned ourselves to history's dustbin.
Posted by: Godfree Roberts | Nov 8 2021 23:56 utc | 51
"No need for evidence ... " Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 8 2021 20:41 utc | 20
I read in NYT (thus I can recommend it without hesitation) why demanding to "see evidence" of Russian misdeeds is wrong.
Number one, Russia, lead by a clever alumnus of intelligence, is very, very cunning. They now how to hide the evidence, so the very lack of evidence points to them. No less expert than Microsoft concludes Russian culpability on that basis. Thus this is a very reputable approach. And it is not only Microsoft.
Number two, lack of apparent motivation is the hallmark of maskirovka, so that argument should be rejected as well.
Number three, revelations like Danchenko case could be another cunning Russian tactic: spike otherwise solid case of their misdeeds with utter b.....t provided by their agents. Thus the rest of RussiaGate should be regarded as a solid case.
Last, but not list, any discussion about evidence or possible motivations or the lack of it is fundamentally wrong BECAUSE IT MAKES PUTIN HAPPY. There is no larger mistake than that.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 8 2021 23:57 utc | 52
The stench on this one should not go away soon but it will in an amnesia America. America does not do accountability and it does not penalize major fraudsters, well, maybe just minor scapegoats but that is to be seen.
The real question is why it took several years to kill this fraud.
It is a sign of the rot that is America with its institutions, e.g. doj, fbi, congress, the power of its power players, e.g. the clintons and their sycophants, and of course the most obvious, the media.
For these reasons, I do not look for any liquidation of the the beast, the uniparty, that badly needs liquidation. The rot that is the status quo will continue.
Posted by: Thomas Minnehan | Nov 9 2021 0:02 utc | 53
NIXON CENTER— THE KREMLIN — TRUMP
https://medium.com/mosaic2/nixon-center-kremlin-trump-35018040f65e
Same Data, Same Strategy
https://www.justsecurity.org/76230/same-data-same-strategy-a-new-look-at-how-the-trump-campaign-and-russian-intelligence-operated-in-2016/
Posted by: Anon | Nov 9 2021 0:08 utc | 54
A lot of these amerikastani (brits and getting there too) are so fake or shallow or both. To them it's just like supporting their football team. Their subservience is total and unquestioned. Reasons, policies and facts be damned. Democrazy at its finest i guess.
It doesn't matter if its Hitler they're rooting for as long as it's their party or politician of choice.
Posted by: A.L. | Nov 8 2021 23:14 utc | 40
Some of you may wonder what does it mean "just like supporting their football team". It is not like checking the website of your newspaper to find out "Oh, the won" or "Too bad, they lost". To be sure, not EVERYBODY gives it all to support their football team in USA, but this is usually not approved by their peers, if not always as emphatically as in this authentic quote:
I've gotten texts about people actually cheering for the opposing team. The opposing. Fucking. Team. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?!! I don't give a SHIT about sportsmanship, YOU CHEER FOR OUR GODDAMN TEAM AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO A SPORTS GAME? ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? Or are you just so fucking dense about what it means to make people like you [...]? Well it's time someone told you, NO ONE FUCKING LIKES THAT, ...
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That said, it is not a special feature of "A lot of these amerikastani (brits and getting there too)". The entire [deleted] West is like that: this is our team, we cheer our team and we jeer the other team. And we cheer and jeer using slogans of our team -- no sense required.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 9 2021 0:41 utc | 55
Wendy is a fantastic reporter in my opinion. Agree with her or not. I think she is excellent.
Wendy Siegelman — charts, articles, quotes, videos, etc.
https://wsiegelman.medium.com/trump-russia-charts-articles-ddba4543c99e
Eitanium Ltd Chart: Erik Prince and directors and their network of cyber surveillance related companies
https://wsiegelman.medium.com/eitanium-ltd-chart-erik-prince-and-directors-and-their-network-of-cyber-surveillance-and-related-16e6b28c0379
Posted by: Anon | Nov 9 2021 0:51 utc | 56
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2021 20:13 utc | 16:
“For someone desiring the downfall of the Outlaw US Empire...”
That just gave me a flash of Trump/? vs. Biden/? 2024!
Ha! if that doesn't get the 30% of the public that doesn't already ignore the election to start ignoring it &/or rioting...
A positive development, in other words.
Thanks
Posted by: Eric F | Nov 9 2021 1:14 utc | 57
Kudos to b and all who saw through what has again been exposed as nonsense. Here's one of my favourites by John Helmer from January 18, 2017
When Going to Bed with Dogs is News, Getting up with Fleas is a Scoop - Here's the One About Trump's Bed, Putin's Bed
"A claim is being widely reported in the US media which supported Hillary Clinton for president that President-elect Donald Trump paid for at least two ladies to urinate on the bed in the presidential suite of the Ritz-Carleton Hotel of Moscow..."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 9 2021 1:32 utc | 58
Jen, in response to 50
I don't know who decided I am a troll, but I am not a troll. Why does an ugly comment shake you?
I was going to ask you — since you were courteous to me, just how you think this will end — because nothing goes on forever. I happen to believe it is coming to an end, and very soon, too.
Just watch and see! Ellie:)
Posted by: Ellie | Nov 9 2021 1:35 utc | 59
Fast forward to the 2020 election. The Iowa caucus app was documented changing the vote tallies. Exit polls in Dem primaries disagreed with official counts, benefiting Biden at the expense of Sanders and Warren (exit polls are how the U.S. validates foreign elections). On Super Tuesday ("Super Thursday" according to the Crash Test Dummy) Biden, out of money, having closed all his campaign offices except S.C. and trailing badly in the polls, magically won 9 states.
And that was just the primary! The NY Post was censored and blocked from FB and Twitter over factual reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop that showed pay to play on behalf of his daddy. The media accused Trump of malfeasance in the Ukraine and brushed off video(!) of Sleepy Joe bragging about actually doing exactly the same thing when he was VP.
This is all just business as usual. The U.S. has a long histroy of illigitmate elections. After the League of Women Voters stopped sponsoring presidential debates because of obstruction by the RNC and DNC, the two parties created The Commission On Presidential Debates. After Independent Ross Perot scared the pants off the two parties with 19% of the vote in an off-again on-again campaign they effectively outlawed third parties - which is why Sanders ran as a Democrat: as an independent he would have been denied media coverage and participation in debates.
New Mexico declared Hillary the winner of the Democratic primary with less than 1% of the vote counted. National media annonced Hillary had won the nomination the day before before California voted, courtesy of some 700 superdelegates. The DNC was sued over collusion with Hillary to sabotage Sanders in the 2016 campaign. A year later the court's decision was that as a private corporation the DNC could do whatever it wanted.
The GOP rigged Ohio for Bush in 2004 (research Clinton Curtis vote rigging). In 2000 the Supreme Court rigged the election by denying a recount in Florida - seriously. If you can't have a recount how do you know the election was legit?
PACs, SuperPACs, 501-C's, Citizens United and unlimited dark money in politics. Massive media monopolization and collusion with campaigns. It is impossible to count all the ways elections are rigged. Bottom line: we have the very best government that money can buy.
Posted by: Black Cloud | Nov 9 2021 2:51 utc | 60
Maracatu (Post 2) While your substitution of Trump and Biden in the sentence may be amusing, I find it fails to describe the most important aspect of what most probably happened during and after the election.
What happened was that Biden didn't actually win the election, because they had to cheat on a grand scale to make it look like he did. The Time Magazine article from February(?) tells how "a secret cabal of powerful people fortified the election". The same people who helped the Psy-op:"Russiagate" to dominate the media during the Trump presidency, also made sure he "lost", and then created the Psy-op they call "the Big Lie" to brainwash the masses into believing there was "no evidence of election fraud" and that it was all baseless and ridiculous claims. The real Big Lie is that there is no evidence of fraud - the evidence is massive - and I'm disappointed that there has been little interest from independent media to investigate more of this evidence, except for some right wing sites. Without election integrity there can be no change, because establishment Democrats who stated that if Bernie had been the Democratic nominee, they would have voted for Trump, would certainly make sure that anyone that threatened status quo more than Trump could not win also.
Posted by: Limert | Nov 9 2021 2:52 utc | 61
Posted by: dh | Nov 8 2021 23:36 utc | 46
You got it. Russiagate was all a vast Russian plot to get Trump elected. Putin is unbelievably devious.
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Really?
Do you think Putin hired Mueller?
How about CNN? How did Putin get CNN to make fools of themselves over and over again?
Posted by: jinn | Nov 9 2021 3:22 utc | 62
Two important facets of the “Russiagate” story:
1) Trump’s election kicked open the door of an otherwise highly stratified political system, and provided a historic opportunity for insurgent interests to have actual success. This was largely squandered by many progressive-minded Democrats failing to see and act on the moment, instead having their energies diverted railing against Trump and endorsing establishment hacks such as Comey and Mueller, or cheering on CIA operative “whistleblowers” such as Vindman.
2) The gradually developing realization in the autumn of 2017, that the FBI had used partisan opposition research to essentially place the entire Trump campaign under extensive electronic surveillance. This is probably one of the biggest political scandals in US history, particularly as it extended into the formation of Trump’s executive office. The proceeds of this surveillance could be seen in some of Mueller’s indictments, which refer to emails, cel phone conversations, and other traces of activity. It was also apparent agencies such as the FBI had the ability to interview persons already knowing most of the “facts”, shaping their questioning in the interest of exposing inconsistencies with the record which could then place the subjects in legal jeopardy.
Posted by: jayc | Nov 9 2021 3:30 utc | 63
Russiagate was also an attack by "centrist" Democrats including Clinton against Bernie Sanders and other progressive challengers. The first big claims emerged within one news cycle of the barely reported Wikileaks story showing that centrist Democrats and the DNC had been conspiring to keep Bernie down--so it could easily be never heard about again and forgotten. This was after months when Bernie supporters like me were learning these inside stories, and trying to make them known, all the while being brushed off as cranks and conspiracy theorists by the centrists. Finally our day arrives only to vanish forever.
While no connection between Bernie and Russia was ever made, the innuendos that somehow Bernie and leftists and Julian Assange were somehow in league with Putin have never ended. And all the worse if you did support Bernie and Assange and occasionally attempted to debunk the Russiagate stories--to be labeled useful idiot for Putin, as I have been many times and still.
Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 9 2021 3:37 utc | 64
Excellent summary, b.
Given the exhaustive detail therein I would have called it Russiagate Redux.
But Look Back is good enough.
And good enough is always going to be good enough.
The Christians have to focus their puerile mendacity 'skills' on starving as many Afghans to death as possible, and blaming the Taliban. Which begs the question...
"Hey Christians! What would Jesus do?"
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 9 2021 4:54 utc | 65
When I was a kid I was "sent off" to Sunday School each Sunday.
Sometimes there was a short movie acquainting us with the Good Works of Missionaries who were teaching Christian Values to savages with the wrong-coloured skin, who didn't live in houses, about cleanliness and Heaven, and helping them to become civilised.
Myself, and the other recalcitrants sitting in the back row, had a favourite hymn.
It was called Jesus Loves The Little Children and went...
Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world.
Black and Yellow, Red and White
All the colours in His sight.
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
The recalcitrants version went...
Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world.
White and White and White and White
All the colours in His sight.
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 9 2021 5:26 utc | 66
It may be worth reflecting on the fact that the same media institutions pushing the false Trump accusations, and the identical political party which worked to create and present a false record, that these two groups are the same two groups pushing the VAX everyone immediately meme despite the fact there exists a growing body of medical evidence demonstrating the mRNA vaccine causes significant harm to a large number of those persons denied their right to informed consent while at the same time being threatened with job loss should they not accept the imposition of an unlawful state mandate.
Posted by: Sushi | Nov 9 2021 5:49 utc | 67
Black Cloud @59:
Yes, that super tuesday sweepstake Ole Joe won smelled like a rat!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 9 2021 6:24 utc | 68
Posted by: vk | Nov 8 2021 22:32 utc | 33
It is a waste of time to continue delving into this.
Posted by: Sushi | Nov 9 2021 5:49 utc | 66
It may be worth reflecting on the fact that the same media institutions pushing the false Trump accusations, and the identical political party which worked to create and present a false record, that these two groups are the same two groups pushing the VAX everyone immediately meme despite the fact there exists a growing body of medical evidence demonstrating the mRNA vaccine causes significant harm to a large number of those persons denied their right to informed consent while at the same time being threatened with job loss should they not accept the imposition of an unlawful state mandate.
I agree it is a waste of time to keep delving into this .. and I agree the real reason for this insider intrigue is the privately owned media needed a way to satisfied the divided audiences they engineered to cover for the politicians they support.
I keep coming back to RICO Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
Act.. as the most powerful description yet devised to explain the actors who operate the USA system that governs Americans. To impose any liability on these actors a 2nd government is needed. A government of auditors and prosecutors [everyone who is not part of the RICO government but who is governed by it)..
Until humanity across the world gets smart about the people whose job it is is to run their governments the governed will never improve their lot and the world will never be reduced from war to peace.
Very good coverage B.. but this is divide and conquer politics. a bit off from your usual narratives.. None of the POTUS have done what their campaigns promised, not one, not even for a minute .. Interesting turn of events in the liars club, but not likely to repair the harms these actors on both sides have caused citizens of the USA.
These POTUS have each and everyone participated in helping the private oligarch and their leg breaker corporations to extract from the every day masses everything the masses own, and to port those bounties to a very wealthy few. These POTUS have facilitated the growth of private monopoly power and used it to replace bottom up democracy in order to hold their political positions; worse their biggest problem, while in office, has been what privately owned media will say to their Democrat vs Republican divided audiences. I agree its a shit show.
Nothing wrong the USA, that a 2nd government can't fix. But its actors, including the privately owned monopoly powered corporations and their media puppets, all need to be replaced, with real people, who tell the whole truth, and who work for the betterment of humanity and who are interested to do what is good for America.
Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2021 6:49 utc | 69
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 8 2021 20:08 utc | 15
No, Craig Murray is efectively in prison for reporting the defence's case in the Salmond trial in Scotland. It is claimed, without evidence, by the Scottish proseutor that Murray enabled people to identify some of the women put up by the leaders of the current SNP to denounce Salmond as some sort of sexual predator in order to destroy any potential political comeback Salmond might attempt.
Of course, Murray had to be put out of commission for his other adversarial reporting, as well. Assange was one notable case where Murray reported on the essential lawfare crimes of the British and US states, which are ongoing. Conveniently, Murray was also prevented from testifying at a trial in Spain of a CIA backed illegal spying campaign on Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy run by a Spanish company.
That our countries are run by a criminal class has long been clear, but now they are becoming a bit uncomfortable as their continued crass looting of the people and their overt power grabs based on promoting fear are starting to awaken and anger the plebs. Reporters like Assange and Murray need to be made examples of: It matters not whether their reporting is legal and in the public service, the criminal class has the power to obsfucate and use suspect laws to remove their and our voices and persons from society, and even murder us, ever so slowly. Be afraid!
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 9 2021 7:23 utc | 70
Playing Along For Now
(Or: Bernie Sanders makes the “tough choice” to fold)
I’m “playing along, for now”
(With “now” meaning “four years and counting”)
Soon I will fight back, I vow
(Just wait till some votes begin mounting).
In only three states, I gave up
And started rehearsing excuses
“The Russians” put borscht in my cup
Which caused me to slurp my own juices.
While Tulsi struck back at the smears
I chose to roll over when smitten.
As Clinton keeps grinding her gears,
I drink from the glass she has spit in.
The Democrats do not hate Trump,
But only admire his erection.
So I’ll be the one they will dump
If I make it to the election.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2020
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 9 2021 8:23 utc | 71
re: #69
It brings tears to my eyes thinking about Assange and Craig Murray. Both are hero's that I cannot imagine. I spent two days in jail for a political demonstration many years back. I was not only beaten by a prison guard but afterwards I won a few hundred dollar settlement. I guess that was justice. But Julian and Craig are, and have suffered, much, much worse.
Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 9 2021 8:27 utc | 72
#69
Excellent summary. If Murray gets the expected 50% remission on his 8 months he’ll be out on 1 December, but I haven’t seen any announcement yet.
Posted by: Walt | Nov 9 2021 8:41 utc | 73
Chowder Brain and Lightweight (or Orange Man Bad)
What if Joe got an erection and Kamala came?
What if they lost the "election"? Just who would they blame?
What if Trump started a war like the rest of them did?
What if Obama and Clinton made Donald their kid?
What really matters has nothing to do with your vote,
now that you swallow their lies 'cause you learned them by rote.
Boycott elections or write in your candidate choice.
Force them to read what you've written if you want a voice.
Otherwise shut up and save us the waste of our time
hearing you tell us that two nickels equal a dime.
Doing binary arithmetic doesn't make math,
just that, like Biden, you've wandered too far off the path.
Sure, Trump’s an Orange buffoon like the Black one before
following White ones, and all of them Israel's whore.
Nothing will change, as it hasn't for centuries now.
Money rules everything. Give some, or back to your plow.
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2020
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 9 2021 8:46 utc | 74
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2021 22:30 utc | 31
Check out Lavrov’s presser with the Venezuelan FM. Elections in Venezuela and the past elections in Nicaragua are discussed, as well as Ukraine. By this evening it should be translated. Curiously when Nicaragua is the matter nobody ever talks about the channel, the big prize swept under the carpet. The color rev to topple Ortega has been going on since ever but now it’s bound to intensify.
https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4924424
Luka is an old Kolkhoz zav or manager, it’s a lot harder to play rough with a guy whose vacations are subbotniks picking potatoes than with Martha’s Vineyard types or Lolita Express riders, the hornet’s nest was smoked and this is what they get, a closer integration of Belarus with mother Russia plus the attack of the 1st Iraqi division and the 5th Kandahar brigade as Rozhin with dark humor posts at Cassad.
Posted by: Paco | Nov 9 2021 8:46 utc | 75
Well done, b
As we all know, NONE of the media, politicians, or even regular people will ever offer contrition for supporting and believing such an obvious lie. A lie which undermined an American presidential administration and changed the course of a nation.
These are the same people who believe that COVID is worth shutting down economies, locking down societies, and injecting unsafe and unproven gene therapies into everyone or else.
This shit blows my mind.
Posted by: Cadence calls | Nov 9 2021 8:54 utc | 76
"Shakespeare," in Russian
So I’m a "Putin Puppet"
A "Kremlin Talking Point"
Or, “Truth,” denying Democrats
The one they would anoint:
The other half of Husband Bill,
Her nose wrenched out of joint
From losing to an orange Macbeth
Who told the witch: "aroint!”
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2019
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 9 2021 9:42 utc | 77
Anyone else get the feeling circe is back?
Anyways, still can't shake the feeling that Skripal was a source and wanted money in a red bag to stay quiet.
Posted by: Alogon | Nov 9 2021 9:45 utc | 78
Speaking of looking back at what omniscient, omnipotent "Russia" has made of hapless, helpless America:
Lemming Heroism at the Impeachment
(with apologies to Thomas Babington Macaulay’s “Horatius at the Bridge”)
Then out spoke brave Somebody, from the shadows of the herd:
“I voted with the others, like a timid, loyal turd.”
And how can one fare better, than facing zero odds
For the asses they call “leaders” and their petty, sloppy frauds?
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright © 2019
Posted by: Michael Murry | Nov 9 2021 9:49 utc | 79
And while poor Craig Murray is in jail, it is almost guaranteed that none of the key Russiagaters will ever go to prison for their crimes.
Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 9 2021 9:54 utc | 80
Sigh. So much distraction for the sheeple to chew and ruminate on.
One needs only follow through on one of two leads, "Roy Cohn" and "The Mary Carter Paint Company". Don't just take any of the superficial poohpooh articles propped up on top of google for granted, dig a little further. DJT has been their boy all along.
Both DJT fanboys and haters are gullible fools to the same degree. Both waste their and our precious time and energy. But such is the purpose of the figurehead mockracy: to prevent the commoner from getting in the way of business.
Posted by: Lurk | Nov 9 2021 11:21 utc | 81
How awful does the Steele dossier (originally paid for and started on behalf of Ted Cruz IIRC) compare to ~five decades of the mainstream media building up Trump, the kid glove treatment continuing after his Covid deaths and relentless attack on elections?
Posted by: Hart Liss | Nov 9 2021 11:24 utc | 82
How awful does the Steele dossier (originally paid for and started on behalf of Ted Cruz IIRC) compare to ~five decades of the mainstream media building up Trump, the kid glove treatment continuing after his Covid deaths and relentless attack on elections?
Posted by: Hart Liss | Nov 9 2021 11:24 utc | 81
Yeah, it was Cruz I think, but some other Pubbies were involved too.
The point is they are all crooked, Dems, Pubbies, all crooks. They lie as naturally as they breathe.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 9 2021 12:16 utc | 83
The dossier never really gained traction, it was just floated on the news the same way the Senate insisted on 500-plus hours of "Benghazi!" hearings.
Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Nov 9 2021 12:18 utc | 84
Starting with the Syrian events - all these MSM tales and fakes about "bloody Assad" and "chemical weapons" - I repeat that serious criminal liability is absolutely necessary for "journalists" for spreading deliberate lies. Deliberate pumping of society with lies, slander, hatred leads, among other things, to the most sad consequences - murders, attacks, when people who are "blown away" as a result of propaganda decide to attack. Over the past years, we have witnessed this more than once. In particular, the murder of the Russian ambassador to Turkey A. Karlov, including on the conscience of the mainstream Western (and not only Western) media.
As long as "journalists" (essentially criminals) remain unpunished for their lies, things like Russiagate, C.Powell's test tube, etc., will continue, causing the deaths of thousands, millions of people (Iraq), or even the cause of the outbreak of bloody wars.
Slanderers and liars should go to jail, not go to work in comfortable offices.
Extending Russia
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
Overextending and Unbalancing Russia
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
Posted by: Anon | Nov 9 2021 13:21 utc | 86
Yes in the Trump + Russiagate now finally some truth in the MSM after many years, but in the Climategate + Russia this is not the case. Routinely Russia is suggested as the hacking source by UEA data "masseurs" (can't call them scientists) and their buddies at the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b1r9nr
Imagine, they got the COPs now chasing the whole world due to their CO2 scare meme but still manage to play victims of Russian bad guys. No good as actors too.
Posted by: Antonym | Nov 9 2021 13:39 utc | 87
Lurk @80: "DJT has been their boy all along."
You are partially wrong. Trump is an oligarch. He is one of the "they" who owns some of the "boys". He himself is not one of those "boys". That distinction may seem small but it is actually quite significant.
The oligarchy is a network of big businessmen, and they run the oligarchy exactly like a big business network. They enforce division of labor and compartmentalization across the imperial enterprise. Trump winning was like a C-level executive, or worse a big investor, ending up in direct control of the Marketing Department. The imperial enterprise already had someone pre-selected for that role who was already fully trained up for it and had deep knowledge of the enterprise's most intricate long term plans. At best Trump had some vague ideas about those plans and was in no position to take over managing them. To recognize this and celebrate the disruption it caused for the empire in no way equates to supporting Trump or asserting that he wasn't "one of them". Trump's 2016 win upended a huge number of the empire's plans and "they" are still trying to collect the pieces. Even Biden's installation last year represents residual failure from this enormous catastrophe for the establishment in 2016 since Biden is not who they really wanted either. "They" installed Biden as an emergency stop-gap to get their plans back on track.
Recognizing this massive damage that Trump's win caused and celebrating it does not make one a "Trumpist". Note that it was Trump's win and not Trump himself that caused the damage. This distinction is crucially important for understanding events.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 9 2021 13:58 utc | 88
Slanderers and liars should go to jail, not go to work in comfortable offices.
Posted by: alaff | Nov 9 2021 13:07 utc | 84
Interesting take.
More effective would be getting them to divulge their false information sources.
And hold them to account.
Oh yeah journalistic privilege.
Forgot that!
So yes you might be onto something.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say fire in a packed auditorium.
The same rational should apply to falsifying reports that people take as someway accurately describing a situation.
Everyone makes mistakes or has a slant.
But that's not the point here!
Posted by: JPC | Nov 9 2021 14:02 utc | 89
jayc wrote:
The gradually developing realization in the autumn of 2017, that the FBI had used partisan opposition research to essentially place the entire Trump campaign under extensive electronic surveillance. This is probably one of the biggest political scandals in US history, particularly as it extended into the formation of Trump’s executive office. The proceeds of this surveillance could be seen in some of Mueller’s indictments, which refer to emails, cel phone conversations, and other traces of activity. It was also apparent agencies such as the FBI had the ability to interview persons already knowing most of the “facts”, shaping their questioning in the interest of exposing inconsistencies with the record which could then place the subjects in legal jeopardy.
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That paragraph is pure bullshit. It is a summation of the phony story fed to you by the Trump administration and the news media.
The Steele Dossier and Russiagate were not attempts to keep Trump from being elected. The evidence shows they were successful attempts to make Trump appear to be a Washington outsider doing heroic battle against the entrenched forces creating the false appearance that Trump was heroically trying to drain the swamp when in fact he was doing anything but that.
The timeline and facts:
* The steele dossier was not used to influence voters in 2016, instead the FBI repeatedly announced that the FBI was investigating Hillary for criminal activity. Anybody who thinks the FBI was trying to help Hillary defeat trump is simply ignoring the facts that show the exact opposite is true.
* On May 9 2017 Trump fired Comey. The stated reason was that Comey had acted improperly by telling the world that Hillary was the subject of a criminal investigation.
* On May 16 Trump met with Mueller in the oval office which appears to have been an interview for the job of special counsel.
* On May 17 the Trump administration announced the appointment of Mueller to investigate the Russian involvement in the 2016 election. The FBI counter-intelligence team had already investigated the Russia election meddling and had already reached the conclusion that that there was nothing to the allegations.
* On May 18 the Trump administration ordered the FBI to stand down and turn over all materials relating to the Russia election meddling to Mueller team. What Mueller investigated for several years was entirely controlled by the Trump administration. Mueller was required to get prior approval to investigate or charge anybody.
* The Trump administration renewed the FISA warrant against Carter Page 3 times. The FBI played no role in the renewal of those warrants.
* In Dec 2018 the Mueller team charged Michael Flynn with lying to the FBI even though both FBI agents that interviewed Flynn had documented that Flynn had not lied. There was no evidence presented to the court against Flynn, the only support for the charge was Flynn's sworn statement to the court that he had lied. The story that Flynn lied to the FBI was entirely concocted by Trump and his minions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDnPxLxDsvA&t=2250s
Posted by: jinn | Nov 9 2021 14:16 utc | 90
Posted by: vk | Nov 8 2021 22:32 utc | 33
"If the Steele Dossier never had existed, and Russiagate never happened, the USA would simply fabricate another casus belli. It is a waste of time to continue delving into this."
Totally disagree with you on this vk. B along with Aaron Maté and others continue to expose and lay out how the Empire works. Russiagate is a fairy tale that needs to be torn apart, looked at, and talked about, looked at again and again so the peons-- that includes you and me, vk-- really "get" how all the components fit together and operate against the world.
Posted by: migueljose | Nov 9 2021 14:22 utc | 91
JPC @88: "More effective would be getting them to divulge their false information sources."
I recommend keeping them doped up on BZ nerve agent in between waterboarding sessions. Only the best treatment for imperial presstitutes.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 9 2021 14:28 utc | 92
John Helmer's latest take on Russiagate:
Does the US Government Really Intend to Make Lying About Russia a Crime?
"...That Danchenko and all the others, including the prosecutors, intend to trick, scheme, devise, falsify, conceal and cover up lies about Russia, is not a crime. It's state policy..."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 9 2021 14:36 utc | 93
The resident bunny's Mini-Me is back to carry the banner for the establishment in the bunny's absence.
"That huge face-plant that the establishment did in 2016? They meant to do that! It was all part of their plan! It was subtle reverse psychology!"
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 9 2021 14:42 utc | 94
Hillary Clinton called Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard "the favourite of the Russians" in a recent interview while describing 2016 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein as "a Russian asset."
This is the level of discourse in politics, and at least half of the American public guzzles the KoolAid. Welcome to the world's largest Banana Republic.
Posted by: Black Cloud | Nov 9 2021 14:44 utc | 95
Those who had been right were given no recognition.
Because it's not about right and wrong, its about continuing the psyop.
A psyop that is run by the Deep State Empire Managers: not against Trump but against the American people. It's called "managed democracy".
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It's frustrating that b and many other smart pundits can't see the con. "Revealing commentary" like this post from b only furthers the con by accepting it as true.
Trump vs the Deep State? LMFAO.
!!
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 9 2021 15:01 utc | 96
"Does the US Government Really Intend to Make Lying About Russia a Crime?" Posted by: John Gilberts @ 92
No, the crime that is being charged is lying to the US Govt. The subject matter of such lies could be anything.
However, in order for lying to the govt to be a crime, the US govt has to demonstrate to the court that the lies derailed an official investigation or interfered in the govt carrying out its official duties. In other words, the lies have to matter. There is no evidence in the indictment that Danchenko's lies mattered and thus after a couple of years of court hearings this case will be dismissed.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 9 2021 15:08 utc | 97
"When Hillary Clinton was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Donald Trump..."
More important was the motive of ensuring that the political lessons of Clinton's defeat were discredited. We have seen, in the wake of another Clintonian/Blue Dog disaster in the elections, that there is an immediate and instinctive reaction against the left when the right loses.
McAuliffe in Virginia was a duplicate of Hillary five years ago. Foreign Policy is important but in the USA it is, on politics nothing more than a vulgar spectacle- the real struggle is to marginalise anything smacking of popular democracy. there is no real fear in Washington of the Russians or China to compare with the fear and hatred of the political caste for the American people.
See Hudson's article today at Counterpunch:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/11/09/did-the-squad-give-away-their-bargaining-power/
Posted by: bevin | Nov 9 2021 15:08 utc | 98
@ Posted by: migueljose | Nov 9 2021 14:22 utc | 90
Sure. As a blogger, one should investigate those kind of stuff.
But there are many Americans here, many of whom come from The Saker and The Unz Review, who are transforming this Russiagate into something almost transcendental, as if it changed the course of American History and as if Hillary Clinton is the Antichrist. Both are not true: this is just the American Empire following its own design.
@jen and ellie
Are Hillary and Obama just fighting over who will get a foot in the door after Biden gets pushed aside?
Kamala makes Obama or Hillary VP? Head of something?
Fighting females....Jill vs Kamala vs Hillary vs Michelle...so much more interesting. Who wins??
Posted by: Curious | Nov 9 2021 15:18 utc | 100
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thanks b... you were correct all along, as were many of us here at moa.. it is shocking how influential the media is.. how they can essentially destroy the first few years of trumps presidency with this obsession about russia and continue on regardless.... as i have said many times - there is no accountability whatsoever in the usa on a number of levels - political, financial and etc. etc.. no accountability for anything!
in spite of this crackpot sites like emptywheel that used to have some credibility - 5 or more years ago, went into the trash can and has never returned... who pays these retards?? she is only one of many.... are the intel agencies paying these people as well?? keep up the great work b.. like in art - recognition doesn't always come til much later!
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