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October 21, 2021

Some Musings On 'Wokeness'

For some time I have been trying to get my head around 'wokeness'. It seems to be a typically 'liberal' U.S. phenomenon that has not (yet) been picked up elsewhere. I find it to be an illiberal doctrine that attempts to prescribe how one has to think and talk about certain issues.

What the 'issues of the day' are one has to be 'woke' about seems to change every few weeks. Before the last U.S. election it was 'bend your knee' and 'defund the police' which predictably ended with higher police budgets as soon as the liberals had won the elections.

Currently some U.S. media are enraged about Dave Chappelle, a standup comedian who made jokes about people during a Netflix special. I had guessed that is something one should expect from a comedian. But some of Chappelle jokes were about transgender people which is somehow supposed to be bad. (Why?) At least that is the point the people who now want to cancel his show are trying to make.

I am bit suspicious about this reason as during his show Chappelle also made a good point about UFOs and how many thousand years ago people flew off from this planet to another one. They screwed it up over there and then decided to come back to now make a claim on this one. Chappelle calls them 'space Jews' (video).

What a wonderful aphorism for Zionism. I had a hearty laugh when he made that joke though the audience in the studio seemed awfully quiet.

Now a handful of Netflix workers publicly demand to cancel Chappelle's show allegedly because he made jokes about transgender people and, more generally, about the fuss some of them make. But I wonder what is really happening behind the scenes with this. Who is really pulling the strings here? Who really wants to cancel Chappelle? Space Jews?

A more serious danger of 'wokeness' and 'cancel culture' is its invasion of science:

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology invited the geophysicist Dorian Abbot to give a prestigious public lecture this autumn. He seemed a natural choice, a scientific star who studies climate change and whether planets in distant solar systems might harbor atmospheres conducive to life.

Then a swell of angry resistance arose. Some faculty members and graduate students argued that Dr. Abbot, a professor at the University of Chicago, had created harm by speaking out against aspects of affirmative action and diversity programs. In videos and opinion pieces, Dr. Abbot, who is white, has asserted that such programs treat “people as members of a group rather than as individuals, repeating the mistake that made possible the atrocities of the 20th century.” He said that he favored a diverse pool of applicants selected on merit.

He said that his planned lecture at M.I.T. would have made no mention of his views on affirmative action. But his opponents in the sciences argued he represented an “infuriating,” “inappropriate” and oppressive choice.

On Sept. 30, M.I.T. reversed course.

M.I.T. canceled a scientific lecture because the lecturer has opinions on other issues. What has happened to academic freedom of speech?

They canceled a lecture because some nitwits are hyping the 'woke' issue of affirmative action. These people are willing to accept less than the best qualified scientists because the lesser qualified person may have certain not science related attributes. Well folks - I agree with Dr. Abbot. That's not how academia is supposed or can work.

Luckily Princeton jumped in and Dr. Abbot's lecture will be held there.

The craziness behind of all of this is exposed further down in the NYT's reporting of the issue:

Phoebe A. Cohen is a geosciences professor and department chair at Williams College and one of many who expressed anger on Twitter at M.I.T.’s decision to invite Dr. Abbot to speak, given that he has spoken against affirmative action in the past. Dr. Cohen agreed that Dr. Abbot’s views reflect a broad current in American society. Ideally, she said, a university should not invite speakers who do not share its values on diversity and affirmative action.
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What, she was asked, of the effect on academic debate? Should the academy serve as a bastion of unfettered speech?

“This idea of intellectual debate and rigor as the pinnacle of intellectualism comes from a world in which white men dominated,” she replied.

Whoa. What a catastrophic non-answer. That woman is supposed to do science?

How would science happen if we stop to use intellectual debate and rigor? What shall decide the veracity of a theory, the rightness of a formula or the correctness of a scientific fact? The height, color or gender of the person who utters it? The emotions of those who hear of it?

Where is this supposed to end?

Posted by b on October 21, 2021 at 18:03 UTC | Permalink

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even worse in Minneapolis

a 75% increase in the murder rate

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After decades of declining violent crime, Minneapolis recorder 84 murders last year, up from about 48 in 2019, and a toll not seen since a dark chapter known as the “Murderapolis” years. The 67 murders so far in 2021 are on pace to surpass that......

The murder count represents only a small fraction of gun crimes. Data show a record number of gunshot wounds reported since last year.

In the first six months of 2021, Minneapolis surpassed shots fired citywide in all of 2019, according to ShotSpotter activations, shooting reports and other data tracked by local law enforcement agencies.

This year is on track to surpass 2020s record-high 9,600 gunfire reports.

The past 20 months now account for almost a quarter of the 70,000 gunshot incidents reported in Minneapolis since 2008.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/minneapolis-bloody-summer-puts-city-on-pace-for-most-violent-year-in-a-generation/

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 20:41 utc | 201

ya gonna blame "DA FEDS!" for that too?

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 20:45 utc | 202

@ 200 william gruff.. that is a fair obit on bernie sanders.... as soon as he caved, i lost a lot of respect for him.. he didn't have to, but as you say - he was a weak candidate on some level.. and yet, as you point out, he did a lot of good too....

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2021 21:16 utc | 203

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2021 20:04 utc | 200

I agree with 98% of that; Well said. However, I do think Sanders brought out voters in 2020 that otherwise wouldn't have voted for Biden. I know several people who - for whatever it says about them - were staunch Sanders supporters in 2019/2020 and witnessed the media/DNC collusion culminating on Super Tuesday but turned out to vote for Biden anyway in part because of a hatred of Trump but also because the Sanders campaign educated them as you described. You're referring to 2016 when you point out that they lost them as the result of having cheated him, which was covered pretty humorously in Michael Moore's movie on that election.

I'm not seeing jackrabbit trying to steer anyone toward voting for Democrats in general. From my perspective, and this goes back to the 70s, the Democrats turned shitty in the 90s with the Clintonite "3rd Way" bullshit that was Reagan Republicanism bundled up and shoved down the voters' (and unions) throats because "Democrats can't win the Presidency without moving to the "center"!" we were told. In today's age, there are some good Democrats at the local and state levels as well as a few (albeit a tiny number) Republicans. At the federal level it almost doesn't even matter. The Dems are the "good cop" to the Rethugs "bad cop" insofar as the scenario is presented to erstwhile liberal voters. The Dems always pretend to be on their side, but end up representing banks and corporations even if there are certain individuals with little power that put up a good show of opposing them. Usually via Twitter....cough....cough. And yeah, the focus on ultimately meaningless issues (or re-framing them in ways that neuter actual systemic change or it's too late to matter) like woke (to be fair, a term I hear far more often from the right) and LGBTQ gender identity stuff that in reality affects like 5% of the population. Good distractions though, with plenty of help from the corporate media, "intelligence" community and Sillycone Valley social media firms.

I've enjoyed this little debate and I think jackrabbit is on to something, with the minor caveat that he grasps too often for a grand unifying theory for American politics/geopolitics and in the process makes minor mistakes and/or comes to unrealistic conclusions (he said Trump would win the election for example - by a landslide and when that didn't happen, I don't think he adequately adjusted his theory, whichever one that was at the time - maybe jackrabbit can point me to a post where he did).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 21:49 utc | 204

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 19:37 utc | 198 and your other posts in reply to mine.

1. The murder rate is up nationwide and was already trending upwards before the summer of 2020 when all the protests and calls to defund police were made (and mostly ignored).

2. Overall violent crime has been trending down. And none of your sources or posts purport to present any causal link between the murder rate and the number of cops on the beat. More cops doesn't mean less murder unless you take it to the extreme and station a cop on every corner and in every stairwell of every building. Where's the proof that in any of the cities with murder rates that went up it was beCAUSE of fewer police?

3. You fail to note the number of guns sold during the past 5 years, with a massive peak (and still going) due to the pandemic, protests, lockdown boredom and general unease with the social fabric of the country. America is armed to the teeth. Every bad guy's gun used in a murder was once purchased by a "good guy". I don't know the answer to the overall question of the NRA's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment vs. other interpretations, but you cannot deny that there are a LOT of guns in the US. If I was a cop I'd be on edge. Police unions opposed the Texas law for permitless carry. Murder rates are also up in Texas where no police have been defunded and a lot of "good guys" carry guns. You're cherry picking from two cities to fit a preconceived (and propagandized) position that the fair.org article I posted specifically debunks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:00 utc | 205

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 20:36 utc | 201

I think the onus is the other way around. What is the exact causal link between the (small) change in the number of police officers during a given year and the murder rate? Has it been shown that more cops (in an American non-martial law scenario) equals less murder?

Have you heard of copaganda? The corporate media is awash in it. Always have been.

Speaking of Minnesota, did you know that state has more people incarcerated than the UK, Canada and Portugal combined? How is that related to the number of cops?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:06 utc | 206

William Gruff @Oct26 20:04 #200

Gruff wants us to give our political heroes the benefit of the doubt.

This Jedi mind trick works well on the masses. Once you're emotionally invested in your hero of your choice you almost never question what they do or don't do.

The promotion of hero worship is accompanied by "Democracy Works!" propaganda that insists that we have the power to make change. Except we only ever get the 'change' that the establishment wants.

Gruff asks that we ignore Sanders betrayals just as we are expected to ignore Obama's. Sanders could have formed a third party. He could have formed a lasting Movement. He could have upped his rhetoric. He could of NOT given Hillary a pass on her emails and he could have criticized her elevating Debra Wasserman-Shultz to a leadership position after it was revealed that DWS was corrupt. He didn't do those things. Because he wasn't a real candidate. He never was - except in the fairyland inhabited by those too young to see thru the fakery AND those who police our thoughts like Gruff.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 22:09 utc | 207

I wouldn't put too much faith in ShotSpotter's technology/algorithms.

CHICAGO — The city’s ShotSpotter system is supposed to detect sounds of gunfire, allowing officers to know about and respond to shootings before anyone even calls 911.

But an analysis released Monday from the MacArthur Justice Center at Northwestern University’s School of Law concludes ShotSpotter is too unreliable for routine use. Over a nearly two-year period, the study showed the technology sent officers on more than 40,000 “dead-end deployments,” meaning officers never filed any kind of police report after responding to an alert.

Officers responded to 46,743 ShotSpotter alerts July 2019-April 14, 2021. Only 5,114 of the alerts — about 11 percent — resulted in officers filing a report “likely involving a gun,” according to the study’s analysis of records obtained from city’s Office of Emergency Management and Communications.

That lack of accuracy — along with the technology’s dominant use in predominantly Black and Brown communities — feeds “racialized patterns of overpolicing,” attorneys argue. The study was the basis for an amicus brief, filed Monday on behalf of Chicago-based community groups, asking a Cook County judge to question whether ShotSpotter reports should be allowed as evidence in a pending murder case.

“On an average day in Chicago, the ShotSpotter system sends police out on more than 60 dead-end searches for gunfire. Every one of these deployments creates a dangerous, high-intensity situation where police are primed by ShotSpotter to expect to find a person who is armed and has just fired a weapon,” the court filing says.

The number of false positives generated by the system can be incredibly high.

I'm not doubting that there have been a lot of gun crimes, but again - maybe that's because of how many guns are sold in the US, which - like the murder rate - increased dramatically in 2020.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:13 utc | 208

james @Oct26 21:16 #204: he did a lot of good too....

Please tell us what 'good' he did.

This pied piper led his flock into the establishment's duopoly machine. Is that the 'good' he did?

Or are you referring to the bogus Yemen legislation that he sponsored? Or his criticism of Maduro as the Trump Administration was sponsoring a coup against Venezuela?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 22:16 utc | 209


Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:00 utc | 206

You stated that defunding police was a myth as was rising crime as a result of defunding.

Here you are doing exactly that:

OMG! The Left [sic] is trying to de-fund and destroy the police; here let the MSM and tabloid media show you all the awful crimes taking place as a result (when no PDs were actually de-funded)!!!

I named the only 2 cities I know for sure where stupid politicians were actually stupid enough to follow through on that idiotic idea, where it actually occurred, thus proving it is not a myth. BLM was/is very active in both cities

I then demonstrated that in those two cities the murder rate has increased massively in parallel with the subsequent defunding of those 2 police depts.

This cannot by blithely dismissed with dismissive comment on "recent trends".

The murder-rate increase of 73% in Seattle and 75% in Minneapolis is simply too large for you to pretend it has nothing to do with defunding/BLM as it coincides with those exactly.

What I have done is the very opposite of "cherry picking".

What you and the Bunny are doing is commonly known as "floundering" or "clutching at straws"

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 22:19 utc | 210

I think the onus is the other way around. What is the exact causal link between the


Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:06 utc | 207


you made evidence free assertions


you are then one that claimed defunding was a myth. I have proven it isn't.


You are the one claiming the any link between defunding and rising crime was mythical

In the 2 cities where PDs were defunded the murder rate immediately rose massively in parallel with defunding.

Those murder rate rises were far greater than any national trend and far larger than in comparible cities, where politians were not stupid enough to listen to the idiotic wokists

Out of the two of us I'm the one that actually provided evidence

You provided nothing but evidence free assertions about mythicism, both of which have been shown to be false

You are the one that made claims but predictably proved nothing

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 22:39 utc | 211

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:13 utc | 209

like I said earlier : Floundering and clutching at straws

the reason I chose murder rate is that it serves as a very good proxy for general lawlessness

A person either is or is not dead.

Dead bodies, unlike car thefts, muggings or random shots at night, generally get noticed, reported to authorities, and investigated.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 22:46 utc | 212

Tom_Q_Collins @Oct26 21:49 #205

Your second paragraph explains the Democratic Party's pro-establishment stance very well.

Add to your thinking that the threat from the combination of Russia and China (plus Iran) became clear when Russia stood up to USA in Syria (2013) and Ukraine (2014). To meet this threat, the Left had to be tamed and the Right had to be reinvigorated (MAGA!). Kissinger called for such a reinvigorated USA in his WSJ Op-Ed of August 2014, "On the Assembly of a New World Order". Trump entered the race as the MAGA! candidate 10 months later - a couple of months after Bernie, who proclaimed that he wanted nothing more from his candidacy but to vocalize progressive issues (he was NOT going to contest the election).

Now you know my 'grand unifying theory'.

As for my prediction about the 2020 Presidential race, most people get it wrong. My primary prediction was that Trump would be made into iconic, unifying figure and that his election was desired by the Deep State as part of their Cold War efforts. I was half-right because I failed to foresee how the Biden Administration would undermine the Left (which is essentially the job of Democratic Centrists like Biden).

Well, Trump was raised up! Except it was via his martyrdom, not his election. And the move to the Right is still on as the Right is energized by Lefty over-reaching and over-promising and Biden's ineptitude. Trump lost in 2020 but Republicans are very likely to win in 2022 and 2024 and Trump will be a King-maker. He may even become President again.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 22:46 utc | 213

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 22:39 utc | 212

Wrong. You not only did not prove anything or provide "evidence", you also failed to provide ANY causal link between the number of police and the murder rate in two cherry picked cities when the murder rate in virtually ALL cities over a certain size went up and were already rising.

You also lied. Minneapolis didn't actually defund their police department. Period. It was put to vote and passed, but NEVER effectively IMPLEMENTED. Don't take my word for it, though.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/18/fact-check-did-minneapolis-city-council-defund-the-police

Some background: In June, the City Council forwarded a proposal to the city’s charter commission that would have given voters a chance to eliminate the existing funding requirement for the police department. That would have allowed the city to defund and dismantle the department and create a new Community Safety and Violence Prevention department.

But in August, the city’s charter commission decided it needed more time to consider the council’s proposal. That killed any chance that voters would see the proposal on the ballot this November. The commission’s actions essentially halted any effort to defund or dismantle the police department until at least next year.

So, it’s incorrect to say the police department has been defunded, as in, an overhaul or abolition of MPD as we know it.

But, it does depend how you’re defining “defunded.”

The City Council moved $1.1 million from the police to the health department to fund “violence interrupters” who would mediate conflicts and head off further trouble.

Some people think of defunding as shifting money from police departments to spend on other priorities, such as mental health services and other programs, to bolster public safety. Still, it’s worth noting in this case that the amount of money the council diverted is less than a percentage point of the police department’s budget.

So, as I said to begin with, you're cherry picking cities and inferring evidence free causal ties between two issues in order to pretend you've proven your preconceived opinion is valid. You also completely ignored the point about the number of guns sold.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 22:51 utc | 214

WakeyWakey @Oct26 22:39 #212

I find it suspicious when partisans trot out perfect examples for this or that.

It leads me to ask: why do these perfect examples exist? Is there manipulation or info they are not telling us?

Also, if Lefty-thinking is as pervasive as conservative scare-mongering suggests then why are there ONLY TWO OR THREE examples? Why aren't there dozens?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 22:51 utc | 215

@ 210 jackrabbit.. correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't sanders pushing for medicare for all?? it is true he caved to clinton in the end.. he offered a lot of grassroots hope in an alternative, but ultimately he let them down in the end.... i still happen to think william is mostly correct in his summation @ 200..

i guess, if you can't beat em, join em! here i am talking this endless conversation with you jackrabbit! i am a bigger fool then i give myself credit for!! that'll teach me for butting into your endless usa politics conversation with gruff!

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2021 22:54 utc | 216

More on the fact that Minneapolis has yet to actually defund their police:

From the right: https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/how-minneapolis-residents-overturned-decision-to-defund-police/

From the establishment/center-left: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html

In fact, Minneapolis PD was understaffed this year but it was due to, allegedly, retirements and PTSD from the events of the previous year. So even the anti-defunders at NY Post admit that there was never any actual de-funding. But again note: neither of those articles attempts to tie the murder rate to the number of police in any causal fashion. That's because even if more police do ultimately lead to lower crime (including shootings) the only statistical evidence available says it's by *single digit* percentage points. You're citing a SEVENTY THREE PERCENT increase.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:03 utc | 217

@Bunnyboi and Collins

you too are literally the saddest most pathetic cherrypicking losers I've met on the net

WakeyWakey @Oct26 22:39 #212

I find it suspicious when partisans trot out perfect examples for this or that.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 22:51 utc | 216


Well I find both you and Collins frankly hilariously inept, and more than a little pathethic in your Flat out refusal to admit something so minor as "defunding exists, it is not mythical"


It leads me to ask: why do these perfect examples exist? Is there manipulation or info they are not telling us?

They exist because 2 cities were stupid enough to listen to and then act upon the moronic defunding demand of the moronic wokists, and then what most people with any brains knew would happen then happened.

Also, if Lefty-thinking is as pervasive as conservative scare-mongering suggests then why are there ONLY TWO OR THREE examples? Why aren't there dozens?

I can't even parse what that's suppossed to mean.

I guess its just mindless drivel in an attempt to distract from the fact you can't admit to maybe being not just a little wrong but totally wrong.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:06 utc | 218

james @Oct26 22:54 #217

... wasn't sanders pushing for medicare for all?

And did we actually get medicare for all?

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that'll teach me

It's an important conversation. You yourself keep wondering why things go on as they do and when change will happen. I'm explaining how positive change is undermined and squashed by powerful interests.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 23:07 utc | 219

In fact, Minneapolis PD was understaffed this year but it was due to, allegedly, retirements and PTSD from the events of the previous year.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:03 utc | 218

lol


Early retirements and difficulty recruiting as a result of demoralisation due to all the defunding talk

there's still Seattle tommy boi

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:09 utc | 220

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2021 22:54 utc | 217, et. al.

I wanted to address one of Gruff's points again. I said I agreed with 98% of what he said, but I'd like to revise that to 85% FWIW.

He said that the Democrats are still suffering fallout from 2016. I disagree. At least they don't think they are and nobody talks about it.

More importantly though, in 2020 Sanders did actually shepherd in more votes for Biden. Gruff's point that it actually hurt them applies, but only to the 2016 results. Further, most of those Sanders supporters in 2016 wouldn't have voted for Hillary no matter what. BUT, the DNC and Clinton machine *wanted* Trump as an opponent. It's on the record and in the emails. They thought, in their grand delusion, that it would be a landslide in Hillary's favor.

Cut to 2020 and it's an entirely different dynamic. There is Trump fatigue among a lot of people and Biden - despite the underlying truth - wasn't perceived in the same negative light that Killary (one of the most polarizing and hated politicians in memory) was. So I disagree with Gruff's analysis on the Sanders effect in 2020. He actually did rope in voters for Biden. It was 2016 where it hurt them, because they were delusional - not because they were executing some evil plan that Bernie was in on.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:12 utc | 221

You're citing a SEVENTY THREE PERCENT increase.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:03 utc | 218

a 73 and 75 percent increase in the two cities with likely by far the most demoralised PDs in the nation.

demoralized as a result of dumb wokist politicians constantly kowtowing to even dumber defunding demands from wokists and blm

yes Tommi boi, I am indeed citing those figures

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:13 utc | 222

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:06 utc | 219

I think you're failing to read for comprehension and spending too much time with petty insults.

Again, Minneapolis DID NOT defund their police department for 2021. Period. So rather than admit to that, you pivoted to the part about them being demoralized instead because of talk of defunding. That doesn't change the fundamental underlying point that they weren't defunded.

Re: your post at 223, again reading comprehension. I said that even the statistics that are available say that adding more police only reduces crime by single-digit percentage points. You're talking about 70+% increases in murders in two cities. If they'd ADDED more cops, the statistics say that it might have cut that to a 65% increase. So what is accountable for the 65% increase in murders if it's NOT defunding police or having too few cops on the beat?

I urge you again to actually read this article: https://fair.org/home/the-thin-blue-lies-behind-crime-wave-hype/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:20 utc | 223

But again note: neither of those articles attempts to tie the murder rate to the number of police in any causal fashion. .

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:03 utc | 218

oh noes Tommiboi, shock horror!!!

the useless MSM didn't make any causal claims therefore there simply could never be any causation!!!!

oh lordy what can we do !

without msm sanctioning causation no causation could ever be possible!!!!

on noes!!!

until the MSM sanction causation we are trapped in a ever expanding rate of increase in the murder rate with absolutely no cause at all!!

we'll all be dead by murder before anyone can figure it out!!!!

oh lordy what will we do without the MSM to attribute cause!!!!

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:22 utc | 224

Again, Minneapolis DID NOT defund their police department for 2021. Period

but Seattle did. Full stop

and Minneapolis announced they would, which of course led to predictable rush for early retirement and increased recruiting problems

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:25 utc | 225

I urge you again to actually read this article:

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:20 utc | 224

and I urge both you and bunnyboi to admit you were wrong

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:27 utc | 226

... more than a little pathethic in your Flat out refusal to admit something so minor as "defunding exists, it is not mythical"

Yet SPD lost more police before calls to defund the Police than after.

You haven't addressed that.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 23:30 utc | 227

I don't kneed to.

its not like I ever claimed the opposite

the people making claims were you and tommiboi, bunnyboi

and your claims have been shown to be bullshit
.qed

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:33 utc | 228

*need

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 23:34 utc | 229

Tom_Q_Collins @Oct26 23:20 #224

Further, most of those Sanders supporters in 2016 wouldn't have voted for Hillary no matter what. BUT, the DNC and Clinton machine *wanted* Trump as an opponent. It's on the record and in the emails. They thought, in their grand delusion, that it would be a landslide in Hillary's favor.

I hope you will re-think this.

1) Hillary went out of her way to alienate Sanders supporters. Bringing DWS into her campaign was a big 'fuck you' to Sanders supporters. She also alienated white 'deplorables'. And she ignored blacks (except when she was downright cold to BLM). The only group she really tried to appeal to was women.

In addition, in the closing weeks of the campaign, Hillary refused to go to the Midwest where SHE KNEW a tight race could decide the election.

Although she won the popular vote (which was spun to no end), she lost key states that decided the election by a mere few thousand votes.

No seasoned candidate like Hillary, with enormous resources, would've conducted a campaign like Hillary's in 2016 if they really wanted to win.

2) Think this through: corrupt DNC and establishment Hillary wanted Hillary to face her old friend Trump in the election for President, pretending that he would be the easier candidate to beat - as he was slicing through the establishment candidates in the Republican Party like a hot knife through butter.

3) One of Trump's first actions after winning the Presidential elections was to tell his supporter that he would not be pursuing any legal action against Hillary, saying the Clintons had been through enough.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 23:52 utc | 230

WakeyWakey @Oct26 23:33 #229:

I don't kneed to.

its not like I ever claimed the opposite


So says the partisan warrior who only cares only about beating the other side.

"WakeyWakey" is a neat moniker for a partisan propagandist.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 23:58 utc | 231

Bunnyboi, both you and Lil Tommi are clearly every bit as engaged in trying desperately to pretend you ain't wrong.

Despite the evidence proving you wrong.

Defunding ain't a myth, nor is the utterly predictable resulting crime wave.

Defunding happened in at least one of those cities, and it was voted on, announced and planned to happen in the other.

The result was massive demoralisation of the PDs in both cities, and an unprecedented surge in murder rates and other crimes.

Neither of you can even come close to explaining why the murder rate increase in both cities is so much larger than in the nation as a whole or in any other comparible city.


your lame labelling of "partisanship" won't erase any of that

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 0:12 utc | 232

WakeyWakey @Oct27 0:12 #233: your lame labelling of "partisanship" won't erase any of that

Partisans focus on facts that support their cause to the exclusion of other facts.

I'm not erasing anything. I'm helping readers that might otherwise fall victim to the partisan finger pointing.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 0:43 utc | 233

while yer at it maybe help Collins and yourself acknowledge Seattle,
and maybe also address how the murder rate in both the cities mentioned rose an unprecedented and astounding 73% and 75% in the space of a mere one year.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 0:49 utc | 234

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 26 2021 23:12 utc | 222... thanks tom and also jr @ 224.... the whole thing is beyond my interest at this point, so i am bowing out of the conversation! cheers..

Posted by: james | Oct 27 2021 1:26 utc | 235

FakeyFakey repeating himself now.

When you're told not to stray from the talking points, all you can do is repeat them.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 2:18 utc | 236

Posted by: james | Oct 27 2021 1:26 utc | 236

Yeah me too. I'm kind of done with the topic.

jackrabbit, I still think Hillary and the Dems were delusional and thought Trump would be easy to take down. Recall the polling numbers that everyone made such a stink about after the election. They rejiggered their methodologies even. Places like 538 had Hillary cruising to a super easy victory up until about 1 day before the election. Recall also the emails and Comey and the FBI announcement which was unprecedented. The Dems were delusional in 2016 and that's why in 2020 they did everything they could with their corporate media partners to silence the Hunter Biden laptop story. They didn't want another November surprise.

Wakey wakey - Dude you started with Minneapolis. When you were shown contrary evidence you pivoted to Seattle. The murder rates across the country were going up. More police does not equal fewer murders; it must means fewer UNSOLVED murders and perhaps more guns off the streets which might actually lead to fewer murders. You keep ignoring the guns and making petty insults so I can't really muster enough interest to keep this (way off topic) thread going. Peace, brother. I hope your police pension carries you a long way through retirement. Genuinely.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 27 2021 4:47 utc | 237

jackrabbit, you wrote: "No seasoned candidate like Hillary, with enormous resources, would've conducted a campaign like Hillary's in 2016 if they really wanted to win."

Again, Hillary was delusional; the DNC was deluded. The polls were telling them it was an easy victory. The champagne was being uncorked. The self-reinforcing DNC-allied corporate media was assuring everyone that Trump didn't have a chance in Hell.

Yes, Hillary failed to campaign in places like Wisconsin which had gone for Obama before (in many places by large majorities), but that was also what entitled, delusional politicians and their political machines do. Even her own campaign staff (I think, could be mixing this up) was shown to have fretted about her lack of concern for that state. She thought she had it wrapped up and in the bag.

If you want to convince me, you'll need to plow new ground with this theory. I know what you're saying, but I just don't fully buy it. And that's after having said I do find merit in much of what you write.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 27 2021 4:53 utc | 238

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 0:49 utc | 235

OK, so I left something out. You haven't shown any statistical or other verifiable quantitative or qualitative evidence that a quick decrease in police forces leads to a massive increase in the murder rate. Do you have any links to sites that make that connection?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 27 2021 4:55 utc | 239

Seattle Tommiboi.

you never even so much as uttered the word,

and you pathetic pair of losers claim I avoided things? lol.

what a pair of pathetic clowns you and bunnyboi really are

"Oh you never did this, and you didn't do that!!!!"

lol stfu you complete clowns

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 7:18 utc | 240

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 2:18 utc | 237

well those 2 talking point were somewhat germane Buuniboi.

And you and tommiboi avoided em like the very plague itself

you pair of laughable clowns.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 7:21 utc | 241

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 2:18 utc | 237

well those 2 talking point were somewhat germane Buuniboi.

And you and tommiboi avoided em like the very plague itself

you pair of laughable clowns.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 7:21 utc | 242

Wakey wakey - Dude you started with Minneapolis. When you were shown contrary evidence you pivoted to Seattle

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 27 2021 4:47 utc | 238


nope, keep up tommiboi.

I very clearly started with Seattle, which you and bunnyboi both avoided like the plague, you clueless clown

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 7:47 utc | 243

FakeyFakey makin' shit up

We didn't avoid Seattle. In fact I provided evidence about Seattle that FakeyFakey avoided. I then reminded him of it and he continued to avoid it.

LMFAO

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 12:49 utc | 244

Tom_Q_Collins

You are free to believe what you want. My 'reasoned speculation' is consistent with political history of the last few decades.

As you pointed out, the Democratic Party fully moved into the establishment in the late 1980's. And all Presidents since (and including) Reagan have had strong Deep State connections before they were selected.

People don't want to think that our politics and media are as controlled as they are. Few are ready to see that control (you are further along than most) and partisan smokescreens make it nearly impossible for most to get to a point where they can see it.

Gruff wrote of his believe that you are too tied to the Left. He may be right about that. Sanders has accomplished nothing but you have an 85% belief that he did good. You hate Hillary and acknowledge that Sanders was doing at least some degree of sheepdogging - which is literally political manipulation - but you just can't imagine that she would throw the election to her pal Trump. You ask for direct PROOF when the only evidence is circumstantial.

We are supposed to believe that a Deep State that controls both parties and the media would allow a "populist outsider" to win the Presidency. We are supposed to believe that billionaire, friend of Epstein and the Clintons Trump (mentored by Roy Cohn!) is a "populist outsider". We are supposed to believe that Trump is anti-establishment when, as President, he did everything that the establishment would've wanted. C'mon, really?

You are not alone. The narrative control that Caitlin Johnstone eloquently denounces at her blog is very pervasive. It might help you to read her blog.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 13:12 utc | 245

Wakey Wakey @244 Hello, I've been looking at some of the murders committed in Seattle this year. RIP Zoella Martinez, she is the 41st transgender person murdered in the USA, so far, in 2021.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/20/zoella-rose-martinez-death-trans-seattle/

Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 13:54 utc | 246

Tom_Q_Collins wrote:

Again, Hillary was delusional; the DNC was deluded. The polls were telling them it was an easy victory. The champagne was being uncorked. The self-reinforcing DNC-allied corporate media was assuring everyone that Trump didn't have a chance in Hell.
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IMO that was precisely the Clinton campaign strategy. That was the loud and clear message/image that Hillary presented and that was what she soliciting people to vote for. As far as the establishment was concerned if Hillary could get voters to swallow that effete crap then Hillary deserved to be president because it meant she could get voters to swallow just about anything.

Trump on the other hand was a different brand of the exact same thing. Trump presented himself also as supercilious and entitled thug but one that mouthed the opposing culture war slogans. As far as the establishment was concerned if Trump could get voters to swallow that crap then Trump deserved to be president because it meant he could get voters to swallow just about anything. The election was a win-win for the establishment (as usual).
However, one has to imagine that the establishment clearly understood that Hillary, if she won, would be unable to deliver the huge tax breaks, the huge pentagon budget increases, the pro-corporate federal judge appointments and the relaxation of federal regulations that Trump could.
___________________________________________________________
Tom_Q_Collins wrote:

The Dems were delusional in 2016 and that's why in 2020 they did everything they could with their corporate media partners to silence the Hunter Biden laptop story.
___________________________________________________________

Now you are being naive. If the Dems and the media wanted to suppress the Hunter Biden story that would have been extremely easy to do. All the Dems and their supporting media had to do was dump Joe Biden. Biden was clearly not electable against anybody but somebody who a majority of voters deemed to be even more defective than Biden was. Instead of getting rid of a clearly defective candidate the Dems and the media blew the Trump/Zelensky phone call into circus parade that had only one obvious eventual outcome and that was to showcase the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden Ukraine corruption. The Hunter Biden corruption story had been around for 4 years and yet democratic voters were universally unaware of it until the Dems and the media propelled the story to the forefront by blowing up the Zelensky phone call with its completely predictable outcome.

Once again in 2020 the Dems and the media that supports Dems was asking the voters to vote for shit and you are are arguing that they are clueless and don't know that they are serving up shit and telling you to eat it?

Posted by: jinn | Oct 27 2021 15:16 utc | 247

Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 13:54 utc | 247

Yeah but, sad though that is, having read up on it (not at the often dishonest "Pink News" ) it almost definitly had little or nothing to do with the fact Martinez was Trans.

Which is the opposite of what the Trans Rights Activists try to con people into believing, and is the very reason an ever-increasing number of people now have so little respect for them and their dishonest and often outright hysterical antics.

As was demonstrated in the Putin/Wokeness thread ( https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/10/putins-musing-about-wokeness.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef026bdefb4db2200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef026bdefb4db2200c ) TRAs like yourself like to throw in every Trans death/murder into their "was murdered because Trans" claims.

These claims, when examined in detail, far too often turn out to be obviously false regarding the circumstances of the death being referred to.

And you TRAs clearly either know that beforehand and don't care, and are therefore clearly being dishonest, or you are simply recklessly negligent to a point indistinguishable from dishonesty, in not doing your due diligence first in order to confirm the Trans person was murdered due to being Trans, before claiming that they were.

In effect you have actually proven the point being made by the author of that quoted article in the comment which I linked to above, so hopefully you might have learned something useful from this experience.

One lives in perpetual hope....

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 15:50 utc | 248

FakeyFakey makin' shit up

We didn't avoid Seattle. In fact I provided evidence about Seattle that FakeyFakey avoided. I then reminded him of it and he continued to avoid it.

LMFAO

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2021 12:49 utc | 245

No you didn't

you threw out a few lame talking points in a fairly weak attempt to distract from the point under in contention.


I rightly ignored them, as I do not consider them as being relevant to the issue of whether or not defunding happened in Seattle (it did) or is it a myth (it isn't).

That point is beyond dispute.

All else is just distractinoary hand-waving on your part in a pretty lame and somewhat dissapointing effort to continue to futilely not concede the point.

And none of your distractionary and frankly ridiculous handwavery antics did anything to explain the unprecedented and astounding 73% rise in the Seattle murder rate over a mere 12 month period.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 17:10 utc | 249

We didn't avoid Seattle

lol

Your co-clown Collins most certainly did.

Repeatedly.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 17:16 utc | 250

Woke/Trans lunacy laid bare..... one Lesbians discovery

The Cotton Ceiling: One woman's story
By Sue Donym


    .....I think I received permission to cross-post this from Sue’s excellent Substack. If you have any problem with me reproducing it here, Sue, please let me know. It’s an important piece on the straight invasion of LGB spaces and the many forms of abusive sexual coercion that come with it.

    I remember my college days studying journalism, which don't seem so long ago, but actually are now, and as a young eighteen year old, a friend gives me something she says explains gender. It is Judith Butler's Gender Trouble. I have heard of this book. People treat it like The Bible. I eagerly open the book and attempt to read it.

    I cannot make heads or tails of it. I conclude I simply am not smart enough or well-read enough to understand the religious revelation. I make it to page sixty before giving up, the constant mentions of ‘Althusserian’ and ‘structuralist’ and ‘reifying’ finally defeating me. I don’t feel like any of the book has actually managed to lodge itself in my head.

    I give the book back to my friend, and then I pretend to everyone around me that I have read the book. No one figures me out.

    When I get older, I realize they all did the same thing.

    In my senior year, I win election to student government. I am to represent ‘LGBT’ people. I am proud. I am unaware I am now standing on a cliff, the ground beneath me slowly breaking. I bury my head in the sand as my position becomes increasingly precarious.

    I meet with faculty during the first semester. I read through a policy. Suddenly ‘LGBT’ has morphed. It’s ‘LGBTQI+’. I don’t know what the Q and I stand for, let alone that seemingly erroneous plus sign. I am supposed to be the expert, and all these middle-aged people are looking at me to explain the youth speak which is even bedeviling I, the putative youth. I muddle through, using this surprise new acronym, and then I Google it surreptitiously in the meeting. It means ‘Queer’ and ‘Intersex’, and the plus sign appears to be decorative in nature. I wonder what the Q covers that ‘LGBT’ doesn’t, let alone the God-damned plus sign, and I wonder why ‘intersex’ needs to be included at all.

    They talk enthusiastically about how everyone has a gender. There are women with penises, men with vaginas. Gender is understood to be how you feel inside. I contort my mind around this way of thinking as best I can. A man is someone who behaves like a man, and a woman is someone who behaves like a woman. That is the working definition you have, even though you paper over it with phrases like ‘identifies as.’

    I don’t think about. You can’t. You are told this is how it is, how it has always been, to think otherwise is actually you replicating the kyriarchy, over and over and over again, and you nod and accept it, because you are given this set of facts and told to nod. Pseudoscience justifies it. People talk about ‘brain scans’ and ‘the wrong bodymap’, and ‘indigenous genders’. It’s all conjectural bullshit, but everyone goes along with it.

    When I can’t perform the cognitive contortions, I simply don’t acknowledge contradicting evidence. To do so would be to jump off a cliff into an abyss. It is a reflexive thing, unconscious, and its origins lie in the instinct for self-preservation.

    Everyone goes along with it. I am a coward, so I accept it and move on. I am twenty two years old, and I don’t know any better, and I want to trust the organizations that say they hold my best interests at heart.

    Part of my role on student government was providing student-based pastoral care in my college’s LGBT center. By the time I get there, it’s morphed into the LGBTQI+ Center. I consider myself even-keeled and well-adjusted, perfect to help ‘my people’.

    Many of the people that come see me have fairly normal problems. I speak to lecturers about not being homophobic, meet with faculty about LGBTQI issues, and sit through interminably boring student government meetings full of bloviating Young Democrats self-assured about their future self-importance. Increasingly, more people come to speak to me about trans issues. Walking through the center one day, someone assumes I am a ‘pre-hormones trans man’. When I correct them, and say I am a butch lesbian, they suddenly become hostile. I don’t know why, but I feel offended to my very bones about being assumed to be a man.

    More and more of my fellow butches suddenly start declaring themselves to ‘truly be men.’ I don’t think about this. You’re not supposed to think about it, or question them, just accept and affirm and acknowledge and adulate their new found authenticity. I get a new package of fliers from an LGBT charity, open them up, and suddenly find that I, simply defined as ‘butch’ (forget the lesbian!) am now supposedly ‘trans’ and under the ‘trans umbrella.’ I call this ridiculous, and loudly.

    Someone pulls me aside to ask why I’m being so transphobic......."

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Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 18:30 utc | 251

Wakey Wakey @249 Hello, I did not post the link because Zoella was trans, I posted the link
because she was murdered in Seattle, in 2021. You have decided her murder has
little or nothing to do with being trans. That's fine it's your opinion.
You have been arguing that the increased murder rates in Seattle are due to defunding the SPD.
Whether fully budgeted or defunded, no police force could have prevented Zoella's murder, nor the murders
of Tashi or Montisha.
Tashi Dhondup, 21 years old, alleged illegal seller of oxycodone, was murdered in July.
Those involved allegedly planned to rob & murder him.
Montisha Offord, 27 years old, murdered in August, by her boyfriend Vaughn Weems, they'd been arguing.
Weems shot her in the chest, fled & evaded arrest for 6 weeks.

Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 21:23 utc | 252

Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 21:23 utc | 253

Sorry I thought you had a purpose re TRA

but actually your were just posting something utterly irrelevant to the topic in question.

the fact you cherrypicked one murder and by that think you are making some significant contribution to what's left of the conversation here is quaint though.

But even your disingeously irrelevant contribution has some value.

It demonstrates how ignorant most people are regarding how a dilligent motivated Police force benefits its local community.

it isn't all about numbers of officers. There's quality too

Motivated Police officers know their community, know policing isn't just about the number of officers on the ground in the local community, but how motivated intelligent and experienced those officers are.


A demotivated police force one, say, demotivated by inept politicians deciding to listen to idiot wokists and their idiotic utopianist notions, will simply not be able to retain enough experienced intelligent officers over the longterm.

The good will leave as soon as they can and you'll be left with the unintelligent, the inept, the corrupt, the timeservers.

none of whom will be at all able/willing/motivated to truly serve their community

now, having wasted my time reading your disingenuously irrelevant contribution I'll be sure to ignore you as much as possible in future

Posted by: WakeyWaKey | Oct 27 2021 21:45 utc | 253

and a demotivated police force emboldens just the sort of people who like to carry around illegal weapons.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 21:46 utc | 254

Wakey Wakey @254 Hello, the article was perfectly suited to the title of this thread, "some-musings-on-wokeness". In no way was it intended as bringing something significant or quaint to the conversation. You linked into the JR/Gruff/Collins conversation with the murder rates, & I looked into those statistics.

Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 23:08 utc | 255

In no way was it intended as bringing something significant or quaint to the conversation.
Posted by: boon | Oct 27 2021 23:08 utc | 256

congratulations!

You certainty succeeded in your stated intention of not bringing anything significant to the conversation.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 27 2021 23:59 utc | 256

Wakey Wakey @254 Hello, with regards to the morale of the SPD, Interim Chief Diaz has overturned
the decision of the Office of Police Accountability which found Lt John Brooks guilty of misconduct.
The OPA found Brooks guilty of breaking department crowd dispersal protocols by ordering heavy handed
tactics against a largely non violent crowd. Brooks was the on site commander at CHOP.
Following a tug of war over a pink umbrella, he ordered the firing of tear gas & blast balls.
Subsequently, Diaz has blamed Assistant Chief Steve Hirjak for the decision made by Brooks,
& demoted him to Captain. Hirjak is now suing the SPD. He believes he was scapegoated,
& treated differently to other white officials. http://nwasianweekly.com/2021/10/police-commander-demoted-over-seattle-protest-blames-racism/

Posted by: boon | Oct 28 2021 0:01 utc | 257

Wakey Wakey @257 Hello, you're not doing too well at ignoring me.

Posted by: boon | Oct 28 2021 0:03 utc | 258

Being "Woke" Omar of course refuses to acknowledge that her persistent attempts for defunding police in Minneapolis might have anything to do with the massive rise in that city's crime rate.......


https://news.yahoo.com/ilhan-omar-blames-minneapolis-spike-202800548.html

Ilhan Omar blames Minneapolis spike in violence on police
Sydney Shea

A Democratic congresswoman said it's the police's fault that a Minnesota city has experienced a crime surge.

Rep. Ilhan Omar, a Minnesota Democrat, accused the city's police officers of not fulfilling their oath of office.

"What we must also recognize is that the reduction in policing currently in our city and the lawlessness that is happening is due to two things," Omar said at a town hall on Saturday. "One, the police have chosen to not fulfill their oath of office and to provide the public safety they are owed to the citizens they serve."

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being "woke" means never having to say "I'm sorry".

But even Omar, dumb and dishonest as she obviously is, recoginses that crime and policing are linked

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 28 2021 10:08 utc | 259

and morale is vital to quality policing.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 28 2021 10:13 utc | 260

Posted by: boon | Oct 28 2021 0:01 utc | 258

Yup, their morale looks bad all right.

All us white people should get the equal treatment.

And to think these clowns are supposed to be protecting somebody.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 28 2021 11:15 utc | 261

All us white people should get the equal treatment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 28 2021 11:15 utc | 262


lol, you should read the article before commenting, and that way you might avoid making a fool of yourself....

    "Hirjak’s suit contends Diaz (Hispanic) and former Police Chief Carmen Best (Black Female) blamed and mistreated him multiple times while ignoring and promoting other white commanders who engaged in improper conduct during the tumultuous period."

The use of the word "other" seems to have been inserted in order to deliberately mislead the inattentive and hoodwink the gullible.

Grrr, it's dem damn racist whites to blame fer it all!

God damned racist (Hispanic and black female) police!!

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 28 2021 16:42 utc | 262

BTW I forgot to mention that Hirjak is Asian American

"Hirjak, a 27-year officer and the department’s first Asian American assistant chief"

So, 3 Seattle Police brass,

  • one Asian American,

  • one Hispanic and

  • one Black Female,

have a fight and Woke-Meister Bemildred decides it's the fault of some white people somehow.

lol

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 28 2021 17:02 utc | 263

LOL

turns out that, despite what some woke-clowns would like you to believe, the even-bigger clowns in Minneapolis haven't been at all deterred by the massive 75% 12 month rise in their city's murder rate.

Looks like they want to raise that 75% increased murder rate to a 100% or even more.

Minneapolis to vote on replacing police department with ‘public safety’ agency
By Emily Crane

    Minneapolis residents are just one week out from voting on a controversial proposal that could see the city’s police department replaced with a “Department of Public Safety.”

    Voters will weigh a ballot measure known as City Question 2 during Minneapolis municipal race on Nov. 2 amid calls from activists and left-leaning politicians to “defund the police” in the wake of George Floyd’s death in the city last year.

    Minneapolis residents are just one week out from voting on a controversial proposal that could see the city’s police department replaced with a “Department of Public Safety.”

    Voters will weigh a ballot measure known as City Question 2 during Minneapolis municipal race on Nov. 2 amid calls from activists and left-leaning politicians to “defund the police”....."

Curiously the reporter completely neglected to mention the 75% increase in the murder rate, preferring instead to reference the much lower figure of 17% increase for "all crime"


Being Woke means never having to say "I'm sorry"

but hey don't worry,

    "It's all a myth!"
    -The MSM and the Woke Clown Posse

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 30 2021 0:11 utc | 264

"Polish chutzpah has no bounds." writes B. How true: After WW-II, Poland step by step forced the remaining Jewish part of the population to leave their ancestral lands. But 'chutzpah' -- a German Jewish dialect word for extreme noseiness and blatant brazen cheek -- remained, and now the Catholic populace of Poland started generating their own Jewish-Polish chutzpah. Must be something with teir soil and water.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Oct 30 2021 12:39 utc | 265

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