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October 22, 2021

Putin's Musings On 'Wokeness'

While I mused about 'wokeness' yesterday a smarter and more important man than me discussed it in a wider context. Russia's president Vladimir Putin spoke at the yearly Valdai Discussion Club meeting where he drew parallels between the Bolshevik revolution and what is currently happening in the 'west':

The advocates of so-called ‘social progress’ believe they are introducing humanity to some kind of a new and better consciousness. Godspeed, hoist the flags as we say, go right ahead. The only thing that I want to say now is that their prescriptions are not new at all. It may come as a surprise to some people, but Russia has been there already. After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks, relying on the dogmas of Marx and Engels, also said that they would change existing ways and customs and not just political and economic ones, but the very notion of human morality and the foundations of a healthy society. The destruction of age-old values, religion and relations between people, up to and including the total rejection of family (we had that, too), encouragement to inform on loved ones – all this was proclaimed progress and, by the way, was widely supported around the world back then and was quite fashionable, same as today. By the way, the Bolsheviks were absolutely intolerant of opinions other than theirs.

This, I believe, should call to mind some of what we are witnessing now. Looking at what is happening in a number of Western countries, we are amazed to see the domestic practices, which we, fortunately, have left, I hope, in the distant past. The fight for equality and against discrimination has turned into aggressive dogmatism bordering on absurdity, when the works of the great authors of the past – such as Shakespeare – are no longer taught at schools or universities, because their ideas are believed to be backward. The classics are declared backward and ignorant of the importance of gender or race. In Hollywood memos are distributed about proper storytelling and how many characters of what colour or gender should be in a movie. This is even worse than the agitprop department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause, but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into ‘reverse discrimination’ that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin colour. I specifically asked my colleagues to find the following quote from Martin Luther King: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by their character.” This is the true value. However, things are turning out differently there. By the way, the absolute majority of Russian people do not think that the colour of a person's skin or their gender is an important matter. Each of us is a human being. This is what matters.

In a number of Western countries, the debate over men’s and women’s rights has turned into a perfect phantasmagoria. Look, beware of going where the Bolsheviks once planned to go – not only communalising chickens, but also communalising women. One more step and you will be there.

Zealots of these new approaches even go so far as to want to abolish these concepts altogether. Anyone who dares mention that men and women actually exist, which is a biological fact, risk being ostracised. “Parent number one” and “parent number two,” “'birthing parent” instead of “mother,” and “human milk” replacing “breastmilk” because it might upset the people who are unsure about their own gender. I repeat, this is nothing new; in the 1920s, the so-called Soviet Kulturtraegers also invented some newspeak believing they were creating a new consciousness and changing values that way. And, as I have already said, they made such a mess it still makes one shudder at times.

Not to mention some truly monstrous things when children are taught from an early age that a boy can easily become a girl and vice versa. That is, the teachers actually impose on them a choice we all supposedly have. They do so while shutting the parents out of the process and forcing the child to make decisions that can upend their entire life. They do not even bother to consult with child psychologists – is a child at this age even capable of making a decision of this kind? Calling a spade a spade, this verges on a crime against humanity, and it is being done in the name and under the banner of progress.

Well, if someone likes this, let them do it. I have already mentioned that, in shaping our approaches, we will be guided by a healthy conservatism. ...

Putin's speech was much longer and touched on many other issue. I recommend to read it in full.

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Of course that we should always take into consideration the possibility that speaking about the return of the USSR in Russia is a taboo because of the oligarchy. It may be that Putin is simply self-censoring himself over the fear of being assassinated by the oligarchs.

Posted by: vk | Oct 23 2021 23:17 utc | 101

You state that trans "ideology" - whatever that is - tries to make gender identification fixed and absolute, but sex mutable. Well, wrong on all points. First, even biological sex is not absolutely fixed male or female, have you ever heard of hermaphrodites? Gender identification is in fact highly mutable, as evidenced by many indigenous cultures.

During the 1980s when I first came out, the gold standard was indeed to "pass" as a woman, which I took on as my goal. However, unlike folks who rigidly adhere to their preconceived notions of gender identity, I've evolved - as have many in my community. Now my goal is to simply express myself as I truly feel, which at times includes expressing myself as - if you will - a stereotypical male. In my community we've largely discarded outdated notions of how "males" or "females" are supposed to look or behave, and this is expressed by new concepts of being non-binary, or queer - now that's me.

It's interesting how it is mostly men who get hysterical about segregated bathrooms and other facilities, claiming those as being "crucial" to women's participation in public life. None of the women I know would agree with such nonsense, they value their own agency and don't need any mansplaining. Having used women's restrooms since the 1980s, I've never had any problem.

My general observation is that women tend to be kind and highly tolerant, while men tend to be assholes and domineering, which are big reasons why I've left that macho bullshit behind. However, many men have a hard time understanding why one of their own (traitor!) would voluntarily give up their domineering asshole power, and so it follows that any male who does so, like myself, is subject to endless attack, as their fragile male ego can't deal with it. Well, you will find queer folks of all persuasions are incredibly tough, and that the younger generation mostly could care less about how someone expresses their gender identity, so your fossilized attitudes have a limited shelf life, thank goodness.

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 23 2021 23:35 utc | 102

What an entertaining thread, I will have to go back and see what all the silly sovoks, sorry scientific marxists, are arguing about. Will the solution chosen be an assassins bullet, an executioners noose or just a simple ice pick?

Here are my favourite Lennonists -

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 24 2021 0:00 utc | 103

Posted by: James2 | Oct 23 2021 23:04 utc | 100

There was indeed a desire for social transformation on the part of the Bolsheviks and indeed took place. It included mass popular education, when previously there was deliberate effort to keep the lower classes illiterate. Women's rights were significantly improved without sinking into the morass of the latest waves of western feminism. Discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or race or religion was terminated. Plenty more achievements took place that would lead the otherwise isolated and devastated country to become a great power. These are undisputed successes whether one is a communist or not. Only reactionary ignoramus would bring such a point due to lack of actual arguments.

There is a need to read the entire text indeed. Only then one can comprehend the absurdity of Putin treating the Chinese communists as allies and then denigrating their revolution that terminated a century of national humiliation. These would be the ChiComs who were inspired by those very Reds that Putin mocks making irrelevant or downright wrong assertions. These would be the same Reds established the anti-discriminatory attitude within the Russian citizenry that Putin takes pride in.

On that account, one could point that most of Russia's actual allies come from a close ideological milieu, including the four Latin American governments that recognized officially Crimea as a part of the RF. I'm still waiting from the Russian President who are all these right-wing concervative leaders - those who supposedly share his values - that did the same.

And of course, Putin's "healthy conservatism" is supposedly shared by people who would treat his very own policies - nationalization of critical businesses, salary and pension increases, home ownership and maternity support - as the return of the communist peril.

So yeah, feel free to point out the context that we're missing in a speech where the "woke", identity politics parade is seriously compared with the Bolshevik leadership, all in one more desperate effort to gain acceptance from people who despise a sovereign Russia that would look after its citizenry.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 24 2021 0:16 utc | 104

It is annoying to see Putin equate the Bolsheviks with the Woke identity politics of today. Giving women rights and equality in Soviet Russia is hardly the same thing as the US decreeing that men can put on a dress and literally become a woman, with the "right" to waltz into women's private spaces, even with penis dangling in front of 8 y.o. girls.
Women in the USA and England had struggled for decades to get the vote, and were attacked and even arrested for it, but once the Bolsheviks took over in Russia and gave women full rights, presto! Women in England got the vote in 1919 and women in the US in 1920.
It is a travesty to compare that with drag queen story hour in libraries and gender-queer fairies telling kindergarteners that they "might be in the wrong body and need drugs and surgery", as is done in the US and UK today.
One of these things is not like the other.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 24 2021 0:29 utc | 105

The latest Lobster- has some interesting stuff on wokeness:

"‘After the 2008 financial crisis, corporations feared the wrath of the old
“Occupy Wall Street” left, so they got in bed with the newly ascendent
woke left instead. According to the new woke left, the real sources of
disempowerment weren’t economic in justice or poverty. Rather, they
were racial injustice, misogyny, bigotry and so forth. Corporate America
agreed to lend its money and legitimacy to that new woke movement as a
way of defanging Occupy Wall Street and related movements. It worked.’
I did a search for Vivek Ramaswamy and there he was, quoted in the Daily
‘Here’s how it works: pretend like you care about something other than
profit and power, precisely to gain more of each,’ Ramaswamy writes.
‘Corporations win. Woke activists win. Celebrities win. But the losers of
this game are the American people, including both sincere progressives
who are used as pawns and everyday Conservatives who are silenced, our
hollowed-out institutions, and American democracy itself.
The subversion of America by this new form of capitalism isn’t just a
bug, as they say in Silicon Valley, it’s a feature.’

Posted by: bevin | Oct 24 2021 0:48 utc | 106

@105 I think Putin has a good case but maybe he didn't explain it very well. The Bolsheviks have morphed into woke. The feminist movement has been eclipsed by gender issues. Much to the chagrin of many sincere feminists.

Posted by: dh | Oct 24 2021 1:05 utc | 107

Went #43 and Trish: reading your comments made me think of a lot of the paradoxes that I’ve observed while visiting Portland Oregon. While attending a party that I was invited to by the hosts a group of trans and non-binary orientated people asked me to leave, saying me being there as a cis straight male made them feel uncomfortable. I asked how they even knew I was straight or cis they didn’t know me and also explained that I try and be an ally to LGBT people and treat them with respect and support equal rights for everyone. Some one said “yeah but you have dick and you fuck women right? So we want you to leave. The paradox here to me is that on one hand these people support strict biological determinism in their belief that if I was born with a penis and chose to have sex with women than I am therefor guilty in some small way of all of the crimes and abuses of the patriarchy as well as perhaps partly guilty of whatever crimes or abuses had been committed on them from other cis gender men in the past, but than on the other hand some of them that were trans expected to be considered as a full male, with zero importance placed on not having been born with that genitalia. Some of the trans people that assumed the attributes of toxic masculinity such as ordering someone they don’t know to leave a space with the strongly implied threat of violence being used on me if I did not immediately comply, as well as assuming that I slept with women because of my style of dress or speech, yet they also assumed none of the responsibility for the abuses of toxic male culture that they were clearly emulating. So which is it? Biological determinism is absolute when you don’t like someone but if you want to present as a toxic male that’s ok because physical biology doesn’t have anything to do with gender. I mention this because it’s something have observed a lot and gets the crux of the dichotomies involved with this type of obsession with other people’s gender presentation, sexual orientation and genitalia. Any thoughts?

Posted by: James C | Oct 24 2021 1:17 utc | 108

@108 That party doesn't sound like a lot of fun. It must be difficult to decided who to dance with.

Posted by: dh | Oct 24 2021 1:51 utc | 109

The many very smart comments about Marxism, the plight of poor masses (see blackbread #96) without any support from 'above' - make me think that Marx is turning in his grave as he would see the "Internationale of Oligarchs" under the banner "Oligarchs of the World - Unite".
As far as criticisms of Putin's conservatism are concerned - he is son of his nation, and certain 'conservatism' seems part of broad deep Russian soul, conservatism means in a way to cherish and learn from the past. Chinese have similar trait of conservatism, seems to me - from the layman's perspective, without any academic historical education.

Posted by: bystander 04 | Oct 24 2021 2:14 utc | 110

@110 "....conservatism means in a way to cherish and learn from the past"..

Thank you bystander for a breath of sanity. Unfortunately conservatism is currently being treated in the West as a disease.

Posted by: dh | Oct 24 2021 2:24 utc | 111

for anyone trying to follow the conversation with trisha and went...

@ went made one comment @ 43... it is helpful for other posters to know this, but i scanned back as i was curious.... many people don't feel the need to be helpful... is that a feminine or masculine - or man verses women trait??? @ 102 trisha comments on the difference between men and women seem pretty stark and skewed heavily towards a negative image on men and a positive one on women... is that an accident or the byproduct of a particular experience of life that not everyone shares?? i would say its possibly both, but i can't speak for other people.. i can only say that it isn't my experience.. i had a very loving father and i never got round to having a negative view on men in general.. never had and i don't think i ever will... i am sorry.. these generalizations on men and women don't work for me trisha...

i also learned a new acronym from @ 43 went.. - terf... thanks went....

i have nothing against anyone... i experience people first hand, as opposed to on the internet... sure i experience people on the internet too, but it isn't quite the same... i think people wouldn't say a lot of things in person if they had to look the person in the eye when they said it.. on the internet people can say all sorts of things, but the context of the persons life is missing... that context counts for much more then we can know... reading peoples words, we just get a wee glimpse into them..

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2021 3:23 utc | 112

History repeating itself, the sex of angels and the fall of Byzantium. Congratulations to the Putin bashers, a simple comparison of some traits and we have a Bolshevik hater. Look yourself in the mirror guys, and keep on searching for the angels dicks or vaginas, the caravan goes on and Putin saved Russia. As simple as that. Now keep searching for the right gonads.

PS. I guess the Putin haters would prefer him talking about his Corvette racing Powell. Lucky Russians, aren't they?

Posted by: Paco | Oct 24 2021 6:20 utc | 113

Woke, Cancel Culture, PC, Social Justice Warrior, Cultural Appropriation, etc: all subjective, mostly meaningless terms that can be arbitrarily applied to criticize anything people do not like.

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Oct 24 2021 10:32 utc | 114

Posted by: bystander 04 | Oct 24 2021 2:14 utc | 110

Respect of the past would include in the case of Russia and Putin a bit of appreciation for the Soviet achievements. Learning from the past would include some honest research of what went wrong before the revolution and not generic, fluffy whitewashing of the period. And above all, criticism of the past should not be transformed into unending self-flagellation, which is what the Bolsheviks did to some extent early on and what Putin does now.

As I said in an earlier post, the term "conservatism" can be a bit vague. Many people who just can't stomach the woke crowd and identity politics may identify as conservatives, even if they would not be considered as such in the fairly recent past or outside the developed countries. Most successful socialists beyond the EU and North America have been socially conservative.

However, a fundamental problem that many dedicated self-described conservatives have is an inability to support any sort of social change at all, because they identify with the establishment's basic interests, even when they ostensibly hate it. In sort, the oligarchy is treated as a necessary evil and any meaningful effort to harm its interests and curtail its power (such as through nationalizations of critical services, industries and production fields) and is treated as foul and dangerous descend into "communism".

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 24 2021 10:55 utc | 115

Posted by: Paco | Oct 24 2021 6:20 utc | 113

Sure, anyone daring to crticize Putin is a "hater". It is simply not allowed.

Pity. I actually enjoy most of yout posts and the informative content they often contain, but here you respond as an unthinking groupie cheering for the semidivine Great Leader and mocking anyone offering critical views which may include actual arguments.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 24 2021 11:00 utc | 116

murica is becoming way more decadent, corrupted and disgusting than Rome was at it's worst and yet continue to insist they are so exceptional. Well, in one way they are.. EXCEPTIONALLY VILE AND TOXIC towards mankind.

The cultural poison that emerges from the murican sewer is mostly worthless to most people, yet the traitor politicians of many Western vassal nations continue to implement their wishes.

Putin wants to be a good neighbor and not a phony friend. America doesn't know what beinbg a friend is about unless it includes a dagger at one's side.

Posted by: Harald | Oct 24 2021 11:50 utc | 117

hope b covers this story soon.

Global Times:

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday told his foreign minister to expel the ambassadors of 10 countries, including Germany and the US, who had appealed for the release of a jailed civil society leader."

Posted by: mastameta | Oct 24 2021 13:36 utc | 118

@Posted by: Constantine | Oct 24 2021 10:55 utc | 115

In fact, according to Putin´s description, I could be considered a conservative, except for the fact that I firmly denounce the corruption of which religious institutions and hierarchies are also flooded, like the civilian ones, to the core, as the flagrant case of The Vatican, whre Putin is so wellcomed, so clearly show.

For a forum which claims to be opened to discussion, and in spite of the presence of heads of media, who took the opportunity to denounce the censorship their media are submitted to by different officials at different countries, none of them took the opportunity to question Putin on what his opinion was about, or usually give the voice in any of their media to, the hundreds of thousands protesting the 1984 like dictatorship being unleashed throughout Europe, what leads one to suspect that while performing being in opposing sides of the aisle, they in the endm serve the same oligarchical intesrests behind this NOM. I a mreferring here to both, Maragarita Symonian and the Nobel laureate, whose media are silent about the current harsh curtailing of human rights in the NATO zone...

Yet, some honest journalists and sites, amongst the very few which do it, warns us about the genocidal intent being unleashed before our eyes even with the confussed masses consent...That many of those now consenting, in order to travel or be able to work, will be condemned to die of starvation through the crisis which is starting to appear in the West, and the digital dictatorship to control the discontent and dissent , like they do the poor in India, is an understatement.

For an open forum, quite silent about this important and critical development in the world. In front of this, the "woke" gender fluid narrative is just but a distractor....
Why they do not define the forum properly, as the Valdai Club of Oligarchic Discussion, one wonders...
If we are to expect Putin denouncing injustuce in the world, I fear we should sit to wait, otherwise will result quite tired...

Putin got up the social ladder to the very top, and once there, he defends the interets of his class.
That he tries to defend the demografic security of Russia, through defending conservative values, something needed to asure its security at all levels and defense at military level, has nothing to do with his sainthood or his worrying for the Russian masses or those of the world.

Our task is ruthless criticism, more against supposed friends, than against declared enemies...Of our enemies we already know their stance...

Posted by: Black bread | Oct 24 2021 13:59 utc | 119

@James C 108

Sorry for your experience. Interesting that your question "which is it?" attempts to impose a binary choice, when there's not a binary answer. There's a diversity of views in my community, as in every community. I'm sure you are aware that Portland in particular attracts folks with radical views of all persuasions. In view of the toxic masculine culture that we do in fact have to endure, it's not surprising that some folks over-react.

My recommendations to you, which I try to follow, is simply to leave if it becomes apparent you are not welcome - that's just good manners - and avoid getting obsessed with questions of gender identity, as it's an individual's business anyway, and folks are free to associate with whomever.

@james 112

Regarding my generalizations on men and women - which are by no means universal but are quite handy in assessing situations - they arise from a variety of sources, including experiments that you can conduct. Stand on any busy street, or drive on any busy highway, and note who are the assholes aggressively driving, especially those in large loud pickup trucks or SUVs. Second, ask the women in your life by whom they have ever been assaulted (including verbally). Lastly, observe a meeting and note who talks the most, who interrupts the most, or who disrespects others' opinions.

By the way, you can improve your awareness of cultural norms regarding the interactions of men and women by reading "You Just Don't Understand" by Deborah Tannen, a dated but still foundational work regarding gender differences.

The topic of the negative influences of toxic masculine culture - which exist practically everywhere not just the West - is taboo and heavily resisted whenever it is raised, as it challenges male-dominated power structures. Been that since since the beginning of recorded history. And don't be fooled by the neo-liberal tactic of elevating women and LGBTQ+ individuals to positions of power, they are co-opted into the male power structure, and for all intents as purposes, function as males. Identity politics is an intentional distraction from the pitiless class-based male-dominated power structure that is literally ruining the planet.

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 24 2021 15:40 utc | 120

@ Trisha | Oct 24 2021 15:40 utc | 120 with their contributions to the bar, thanks

Your last sentence sums it up well
Identity politics is an intentional distraction from the pitiless class-based male-dominated power structure that is literally ruining the planet.

It has been my understanding over the years of relating to the non-standard male/females in America that they are responding to the social organization facets we have that none ever discuss....mine is the private finance control facet that I keep trying to get folks to understand.

I also appreciate your references to the Deborah Tannen book another of which is "You Just Don't Understand".....a very insightful woman.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 16:04 utc | 121

'And don't be fooled by the neo-liberal tactic of elevating women and LGBTQ+ individuals to positions of power, they are co-opted into the male power structure, and for all intents as purposes, function as males. Identity politics is an intentional distraction from the pitiless class-based male-dominated power structure that is literally ruining the planet.'

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 24 2021 15:40 utc | 120

If the real issue is based on class interests and class struggle, why do you bring up the gender factor again and again? Are you seriously suggesting that women within the ranks of the oligarchy or in positions of power do not operate on a class basis? Are self-serving policies or sociopathic attitudes aspects exclusively of the male character or expressions strictly of "toxic masculinity"?

It seems to me that you're trying to escape from identity politics, yet you appear trapped in this line of thinking. And it is precisely because of this reflexive attachment to to identity politics and later day liberal values that so many people cannot think outside the bubble.

A perfect example of this mentality was the series of marches that took place throughout the US just five days after the presidential inauguration of Trump. Would it be a "Workers' March" to defend labor rights in the semi-feudal abyss of Yankeeland? No, of course not, what the hell, are we commies?

Would it be a "Peace March", considering the Anglo-American world destruction tour and the involvement in so many conflicts instigated by war criminals in Washington and London? Hell no, are we hippies or worse, Russians?

Thus, the liberal vermin came up with a "Women's March", reeking fake indignation, wokeness and identity politics, with large numbers of freaks or deluded fools wearing pussy hats and complaining for no one knows what, while championing the cause of the corrupt, neoliberal warmonger Hillary Clinton, unable, just like her, to accept and realize the cause of their defeat.

I understand that your position is not enviable at all, especially if you are a genuine leftist trapped among and taken for a ride by, the liberal parade and pseudo-leftist frauds, but I would advise you to move one step ahead of them intellectually. It will be easier then to pass your message and not be conflated with them.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 24 2021 17:38 utc | 122

@ 120 trisha... thanks for your response! i don't doubt for a second that their is an influence of toxic masculine culture... and i don't know how to address it either... however the generalizations break down in the individual circumstances everyone finds themselves in.. i am not sure how useful they are.. i thought you were commenting on your direct experience and i am sorry that this has been your experience.. not all men express these negative traits you highlight... as for the example in driving, i see the increased time spent on the road as a real liability of our society at present.. i hope we get beyond that, but it seems to be getting worse.. more and more people running to and fro in a frantic manner for the most part... going where, i know not! i am curious about the book you mention and will see if i can get a copy at the library... thanks! i mostly think these issues have to be addressed on an individual basis in our own direct experience... i think men and women have all these characteristic potential within them.. i see men and women as a combo of all of this.. that is my impression.. but i have always fallen back on an ashley montaqu saying that women are the superior species.. i really believe that, in spite of all we see.. i don't know his work, but that statement from him resonated with me..

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2021 17:51 utc | 123

@ 122 constantine... i always post and see your post immediately after, lol.... thanks for saying all that too... i find the whole conversation has the potential to be very confusing.. very good commentary from you again.. thank you..

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2021 17:54 utc | 124

@ Trisha 120
The too-often negative behavior of males in many venues is because men suffer from the dangerous drug testosterone. There's no cure for competitive and bossy male behavior, in fact many religions (run by men) are in favor of it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 24 2021 18:17 utc | 125

The reason the Woke Totalitarians at the party you attended felt free to threaten you with violence is because they know the Establishment has their back. As I posted in the last thread on this, the government, the media, the schools and universities, the libraries, the medical-industrial complex, especially Big Pharma, the military, the police, courts and prisons, the corporations, social media and NGOs all support the ridiculous notion that Trisha confidently asserts, that there is no such thing as sex (because hermaphodites!) but there is such a thing as rigid gender stereotypes which determine a person's identity.
Humans come in two sexes, male and female. What used to be called "hermaphrodite" conditions are now called Disorders of Sexual Development. Very, very rarely the XX and XY variations on human dimorphism have mutations, and a few are suvivable, which leads to XXY and XXX and other rare humans. But they are not a different sex. There is no third sex. If there is a Y, the person is a guy.
As for gender stereotypes, I reject them completely. All humans are capable of aggression, compassion (except for Fauci-like psychopaths, a completely different malformation), love, anger, nurturing, etc.
Usually men who identify as trans have a fetish which makes them sexually aroused by the fantasy of themself as having a female body. Now that the Establishment has put its full power behind them, they feel empowered and entitled to push women around, as well as men (as you found out).
I consider the entire Woke agenda now being pushed so heavily, both to adults and to children, as being a divide-and-conquer attempt to stop the working class from uniting, as others have pointed out.
It is very destructive, both to human solidarity, and even more importantly, to reality itself. In 1984, Winston Smith is forced by Big Brother to look at four fingers and say that he saw five fingers. That, and the destruction of language in service of the Empire, is what is happening with the trans agenda. Look at a man in a dress and you MUST say that you see a woman, or be severely punished. And by god, when some random stranger tells you to call them by their "preferred pronouns" you had better do that also.
Even the media is forced to use "preferred pronouns". Hence the Orwellian headlines saying things like "Woman arrested for raping a toddler" accompanied by a photo of what is clearly a man. But no one can say so. It has been decreed from the top.
That right there should show you who is pushing this. No grassroots group has the power to corrupt the media into changing the English language in service of their fantasies. It comes from the top.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 24 2021 18:30 utc | 126

On the subjects of 'cultural Marxism', Anders Breivik, Eurocommunism, Gramsci, Lenin etc, May I recommend this old article by Israel Shamir:

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 24 2021 19:55 utc | 127

wagelabourer @ 126 Hello, you might be surprised to learn that XXY has a 1 in 500 occurrence, & XXX has a 1 in 1000 occurrence, True hermaphroditism, now known as Ovotesticular DSD (disorder of sexual development), is much rarer at 1 in 83,000. That person with a Y chromosome may well be a guy, but don't forget the effects of an extra X chromosome on physical & mental development.

Posted by: boon | Oct 24 2021 20:26 utc | 128

Just recalled that at certain moment of the Q&A session with Mr.Putin at the Valdai "Discussion" Club, after his speech, a senior Lebanese journalist, who probably made the effort to travel to Sochi with the illusion of recruiting help to avoid a new civil war in her country, asked Mr. Putin, introducing him to the origins of the current standoff between Geagea Lebanese Forces and Lebanese Shia in the recusation by the later of the judge who is judging the events which lead to the Beirut Port blasts ( as defined by this senior journalist, what the woman could know..)and which acted as a de facto assassination of the Mediterranean city, whether he could intervene to avoid her country spiralling towards a new civil war...

Putin, eventhough acknowledging Hezbollah is a strongly supported Lebanese political and parliamentary force, denied he could do anything and evaded as he could by stating he could not intervene in other countries´internal affairs...

Well, Mr. Putin, as usual, neglects his obligations as member of the UNSC, which is to mantain peace and avoid war, plus remain vigilant that the UN Charter of Human Rights is not undermined anywhere.....It is probably based on such obligation, acquired in parallel with the priviledge of veto, that such elegant woman travelled to Sochi in the hope that she could get some support.

The fact is that, not only as permanent member of the UNSC, Putin could do something also as a close ally and friend of Israel....

The woman ended with the usual rethoric on that Russia will support the issue being solved through dialogue, as if you could talk to criminal extremists...

Posted by: Black bread | Oct 24 2021 22:37 utc | 129

Black bread--
That is crazy talk.
Putin has said many times that Russia is not there to save the world.

Posted by: arby | Oct 25 2021 0:29 utc | 130

boon @128 Chromosomal abnormalities have nothing to do with the current Establishment push for language changes, attacks on women's rights and teaching children nonsense in school.
A 14 y.o. girl was raped in the girl's bathroom by a boy wearing a dress at her school, the school denied it happened, the father came to a school board meeting to complain, they lied to him and said it never happened, he got mad, they had him arrested and now the "Justice Dept" is saying that parents who go to school board meetings to complain are "domestic terrorists".
Don't EVEN tell me this is normal and natural and caused by chromosomal differences.
And Obama jumps onboard to tell Democrats in Virginia that fathers who don't want their daughters raped are right wingers who should be ignored...."We don’t have time to be wasted on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage, the right-wing media’s pedals to juice their ratings,” Obama said.
Putin is right to point out the insanity that has taken over the USA mainstream establishment.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 25 2021 0:50 utc | 131

@Don Bacon 125

The sad irony regarding negative male behavior is that - in addition to genetic and biological drivers towards aggression - men are also oppressed by toxic male culture, just not nearly to the extent as women and non-conforming individuals. An excellent reference on this subject is the book "Stiffed" by Susan Faludi.

@Constantine 122

Now, this might be a difficult concept for you, but gender identity and systems of power overlap. The relationship between what you call the gender factor and the class-based power structure serving the obscenely wealthy is simple. That power structure arose out of historical patriarchical systems of control which continue to this day. And guess what, that power structure is self-serving, if you're a man, or willing to act like a man, although the latter is usually not enough. Ask any woman in the workplace who has had to work harder (be more manly if you will) than a man to be equally treated.

I suggest you might free yourself of rigid ideological prisms and categorization of folks as vermin and freaks. In my experience, those casting such aspersions embody those aspersions within themselves. You might wish to seek therapeutic help.

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 25 2021 4:50 utc | 132

I see based in comments that Trotsky era propaganda
is still alive in this country, and Stalin who under
most desperate conditions before WWII is still
blamed. Russians know what they are talking
about. Bolshevism was cruel and based on
zealotry. It was responsible for mass murders of
“rich” peasants, “bourgeoise classes”, aristocracy and their families and of course priests, monks and nuns.
Tens of thousand churches and monasteries
burned. Mass looting and appropriation of wealth.
Land, buildings, personal property. How
much ended up in Germany, later looted by Nazis.

Stalin had to fight the inner cliques of Trotskyites
in order to end the corrupt system of giving high
positions in government and army to completely unqualified people, butt loyal to Trotsky. As Lenin backed
Trotsky uncritically, Stalin had continued to
complain about a general who had been
a shoemaker. Trotsky was allowed to emigrate,
but continued to work against his country in
the face of Hitler’s threat. He influenced many
American communists against Stalin, and the
stories about bad Stalin came from those same
circles and continue till today. No question
that the power struggle resulted in many Trotskyite
Bolsheviks being sent to Siberia, and many deaths.
But nowhere near the “scientific” numbers published in
Cold War era — numbers that had just one purpose, to
create false equivalency between Hitler and Stalin
and justify fight against “communism” and continue today.

It is seldom mentioned that Stalin had to get rid of
military leadership of politically correct and get
Tzar era generals out of retirement to get ready
for war with Hitler.
Stalin also quietly reintroduced religion back into society
getting country to be ready for war.. Lucky for
Russia to have escaped the political correctness i
of Bolsheviks and had some military leadership
with experience to survive the war.

Posted by: Bianca | Oct 25 2021 6:18 utc | 133

Recently in the uk several politicians have been on TV saying how vulnerable the TRANS community is.

And here's the facts which show that those claims are completely untrue:

"We know that there have been just eight reported murders of people who defined themselves as transgender, transsexual or cross-dressers in the UK since reporting began in 2008.

Even trans organisation Transrespect, which includes people who have committed suicide and people whose death was originally and erroneously treated as suspicious in their numbers for ‘murdered’ victims, says the number from 2008 to 2020 is eleven.

Note that the UK is not a European anomaly - in Germany there hasn’t been a murder of a trans person since 2008.

26 countries in Europe have reported no murders of trans people for the entire period.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 25 2021 8:39 utc | 134

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 25 2021 4:50 utc | 132

So, ignoring my arguments and using strawmen, you response is that class issues and power plays need to go through identity politics. All ending with apologetics for hardened neoliberal right-wingers with a pseudo-progressive masks and pussy hats and insinuating ad hominem attacks. Okay, you made yourself clear that is your anti-identity politics stance was a load of horsecrap in the end and why certain people can be reliably called upon to kneecap the left, whatever their professed declarations may be.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 25 2021 14:10 utc | 135

@ Posted by: Bianca | Oct 25 2021 6:18 utc | 133

Your comment is a classic example of amalgamation, molded to fit a propaganda purpose:

1) Trotsky was valued by Lenin as a very talented administrator, not because of his opinions in particular. Indeed, Trotsky was defeated in the debate around the Brest-Litovsk peace (he was against it). It was only after Lenin's death that Trotsky became notorious for his intellectualism;

2) The Orthodox Church was never persecuted. There was a campaign to counter Christian propaganda in the countryside but that was it. What happened is that land owned by the Church was expropriated; evidently, the priests who insisted on defending their previous private property were eliminated - but that's what you do against enemies of the people;

3) The Orthodox Church as a religious institution was fully rehabilitated in 1926 - well before Stalin rose to power. Even before 1926, the Orthodox Church already enjoyed significant favor from the Bolshevik regime in the form of an alternative sect that had broken with the main hierarchy of the Church;

4) It was Trotsky, not Stalin, who rehabilitated and reabsorbed the old Tsarist officers to the Red Army. By Stalin's time, there were basically no Tsarist officers left;

5) The kulaks were revived by NEP. It was during Stalin that this "new" generation of kulaks were liquidated (well into the 1930s). The process of liquidation of the kulaks was so popular that it catapulted Molotov to the de facto post of second most powerful man in the USSR. The kulaks, with the help of the Orthodox Christians, spread propaganda against the mechanization of agriculture, talking about how the tractor was the metallic form of the Antichrist, among other absurd nonsense. The Orthodox were also spreading the myth the Bolsheviks were a Jewish conspiracy (this myth, embodied in the form of "Judeo-Bolshevism", was the ideological motivation Romania used to genocide the Soviets beyond the Bug during WWII; Orthodox priests accompanied the Romanian forces to bless the massacres and encourage the soldiers to do more).

The only grain of truth in your comment is the fact that, after Trotsky was exiled from the USSR, he really started to degenerate, probably out of bitterness. He essentially acted like a saboteur and indeed influenced the West's point of view on the history of the USSR until today - but by then, Stalin already was more than consolidated.

However, it's important to highlight that Trotsky is not the only source used by the West to build up the demonization of the USSR. First of all, there's the German Social-Democrat falsification of the Bolshevik Revolution: the SPD never accepted the Bolsheviks as legitimate Marxists and, when they were victorious, they embraced the fleeing Mensheviks and SRs, among others, where they kept publishing journals in Germany telling their point of view. You can already see the cliches about the Bolsheviks in these publications, which endure in the Western imaginary until the present day.

Second, there's the Nazi point of view, referring to WWII. The key here is that the Cold War started even before WWII was finished (at least in 1944, or, more precisely, when it became clear the USSR would win the war): Nazi officers fled en masse to the Western part of Europe for political asylum, which they promptly received, because the West already was interested in waging a propaganda warfare against the Soviets. As a result, many cliches about communist savagery, gratuitous destruction, massacres etc. etc. (including the extremely exaggeration of the Katyn "massacre", which was discovered by the Nazis) were readily adopted by the West, who are using them until the present times.

It is only after those two factors that Trotskyism comes in order of importance in distorting the truth.

Posted by: vk | Oct 25 2021 14:34 utc | 136

@WakeyWakey 134

Rather than quoting a supposedly "better informed" but quite openly transphobic and (no surprise here a white male who laughingly won a "Dick of the Year" award) blogger, you might - with apologies to the Velvet Underground who have a hit movie out by the way highly recommended - take a walk on the wild side.

For you will quickly discover that in addition to the LGBTQ+ community, there's a far larger group being marginalized, abused, and vulnerable, that being women.

By your yardstick, do you think enough women been murdered for them to be considered abused, marginalized, or vulnerable?

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 25 2021 15:06 utc | 137

@Posted by: arby | Oct 25 2021 0:29 utc | 130

Not to save the world, but to do his utmost effort to keep peace, security and respect for human rights, something quite nelgected by not only him, but of cours,e the rest of memebrs of the UNSC...Time to resign? When officials at highest posts happen to be useless for the people, it´s better they leave the place to the people.

"Peace will be maintained and consolidated if the peoples take the decision to preserve it in their own hands and defend it to the fullest".
Caption next to a portrait of Stalin in a café in Karl Marx-Stadt, DDR. Early 1950s...

Posted by: Black bread | Oct 25 2021 15:25 utc | 138

Wagelabourer @131 Hello, my comment was in response to your 2nd paragraph. I introduced some ratios of birth rates, which I believe show they're not as rare. I then pointed out we shouldn't forget the effects of an extra X chromosome on the guy with a Y. You responded by linking the story of a brutal attack on a 14 year old girl, by a boy in a dress. I do not see how my comment has anything to do with the article you shared.

Posted by: boon | Oct 25 2021 15:38 utc | 139

Constantine @Oct25 14:10 #135

ignoring my arguments

Trisha addressed your arguments.

... and using strawmen ...

I don't think her analogy of women in the workplace was a 'strawman'. I don't sense that she is trying to play such games. It was meant to illustrate the problem.

... you response is that class issues and power plays need to go through identity politics. All ending with apologetics for hardened neoliberal right-wingers with a pseudo-progressive masks and pussy hats ...

Here you're guilty of reading into Trisha's comment to extrapolate something that you can ridicule. She's NOT giving asshats a pass.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 25 2021 16:23 utc | 140

vk responds to snake with So, you think the Bolsheviks should fund propaganda against themselves? Sounds like "cuckery" to me, which is a Wokist thing

The link above quoted the numbers in thousands of the images distributed as propaganda to the rural parts of Russia. no words, just pictures.
The Bolshevik revolution took Russia over because the Russian people had little knowledge of the real world, they lived in a picture world.. propaganda informed them to hate the Czar..even after the Czar abdicated he was blamed..

Posted by: snake | Oct 25 2021 16:50 utc | 141

@ Posted by: snake | Oct 25 2021 16:50 utc | 141

They had little knowledge of the real world precisely because of Christian-Tsarist propaganda and repression (Christian darkness) that was fed on them for centuries. What goes around, comes around.

And how wasn't the Czar to be blamed? Those peasants were literally sent to die in the trenches of WWI under his orders.

Posted by: vk | Oct 25 2021 17:11 utc | 142

"Wagelaborer" cites a Breitbart link to suggest that transgender women are all rapists who need to be violently repressed and excluded from society by statist fiat. Then he wonders why figures like Obama call this kind of thing a "culture war." Well, that's because it is (stopped clock and all that). Want to know who the culprits of the vast majority of rapes are? They're authority figures in the lives of women: pastors, bosses, parents, aunts and uncles, teachers, and the list goes on. Transgender women are far more likely to be victims of sexual assault than to be the perpetrators of it. How you can so shamefully engage in this kind of social slander is unbecoming of you, but unsurprising. It's the kind of fearmongering and sadism that's at the basis of all social conservatism.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 25 2021 17:34 utc | 143

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 25 2021 16:23 utc | 140

I assume that Trisha doesn't require Jackass as a lawyer. And no, when one does not address one's arguments and brings up issues not touched, it is called use of a "strawman" whatever any random Jack-of-no-trades thinks. Indeed, my "extrapolation" is exactly what Trisha did, offended by my evident disgust towards the liberal crowd in the ludicrous "Women's March".

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 25 2021 17:56 utc | 144

Posted by: snake | Oct 25 2021 16:50 utc | 141

The Bolsheviks brought down a liberal joker called Kerensky. The Tsar had little to do with the October Revolution. And your ignorance concerning the collapse of the Russian monarchy is stunning.

When the mombers of the imperial family were outraged with the Empress and frustrated with the Emperor, their kinsman - I refer to the siblings of Nicholas II, such as Grand Duke Michael, Grand Duchess Olga, even the Empress-Dowager - one could hardly care about the Bolsheviks who were quite insignificant before 1917.

When hardline monarchists denounced openly the Empress Alexandra as the "German woman" (Rus:'Nemka') who supposedly betrayed Russia to the German Empire, an accusation that the Reds themselves hardly ever made, it is ludicrous to speak of communist propaganda against the Tsar.

When members of the Russian aristocracy openly talked about the potential need to remove the Empress even through assassination (as the shocked wife of the British ambassador recalled) or the Romanov family mebers discussed the forced abdication of Nicky and his replacement with the Tsarevich, one doesn't need any Bolsheviks, then in internal or external exile, to spew any lies for this moribund monarchy.

The greatest enemy of the Russian monarchy proved to be the imperial couple itself. Even Lenin, who used to label Nicholas a bloody tyrant, frankly shocked by the utterly swift and complete collapse of the ancient monarchy (with him having little to do with all this), started calling him an idiot. Not a compliment, but a qualitative difference from the early denunciations.

As for the Reds, their enemy in October 1917 was a failed liberal PM. One must be up to the neck in ignorance and far-right propaganda to even mention the Tsar at this point. Indeed, up to May 1918, the Bolsheviks incredibly gave repeated amnesties to hardline monarchists, with individuals like Puriskevich and Vinberg released "in the name of proletarian solidarity"!!

I would further point out the first White commander, Kornilov, was the fellow who had arrested the imperial family and replaced the Guard with republican troops in March 1917. All the prominent White leaders steadfastly refused to take the cause of the Romanovs - they called for the restoration of the pre-October Republic - and even the western instigators of the Civil War asserted they had nothing to do with the fallen Russian monarchy.

In the end, even the criminal execution of the imperial family was a colossal blunder as it deprived the Bolsheviks of a first grade propaganda weapon against the Whites. The ex-monarch alive and especially re-emerging among the Whites would be an absolute disaster for the anti-Bolshevik movement; so toxic he had become and all this because of his own incompetence and limited intellect, that the potential of his restoration would prove an epic boon for the Bolsheviks.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 25 2021 18:25 utc | 145

posted by vk @136

..."including the extremely exaggeration of the Katyn "massacre", which was discovered by the Nazis."

Would you please give an example of the 'extreme exagerration' ?

Posted by: bystander 04 | Oct 25 2021 18:34 utc | 146

@Posted by: arby | Oct 25 2021 0:29 utc | 130

From Mathew Ehret last,

4) The first four sections of article one read: “To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace; To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and, "To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.”

Yet the UNSC as a whole, amy be out of agreemnt on impossing these kind of apratheid measures on part of the population, is making a dejation of these duties, and so it is some representatives of the peoples of Europe who have taken the lead in calling the world to attention on this serious state of affairs...

Posted by: Black bread | Oct 25 2021 18:56 utc | 147

@ Posted by: bystander 04 | Oct 25 2021 18:34 utc | 146

Of the "massacres", the Katyn one was the only one discovered as far as I know. However, the cliché that the Red Army was as cruel against civilians and infrastructure as the Wehrmacht was probably created by Nazi wartime propaganda. The Nazis had the habit of counter-accusing the Communists of having perpetrated the killings and destruction themselves in order to falsely accusing them of having done it. The Romanian army created the cliché that the Soviets burned Orthodox churches and erected spires with red stars in their places all around the Ukraine.

Posted by: vk | Oct 25 2021 21:20 utc | 148

Boon @139 I will try to explain it more clearly.
I took your mention of chromosomal abnormalities to be your attempt to explain the phenomenon of the sudden pushing of the trans population by all sections of the establishment.
I reject any chromosomal explanations of this agenda, and tried to give an example by showing what a Woke school board in Virginia did in service of the agenda. They allowed boys to enter girls' bathrooms, covered up a rape of a girl by a boy in a dress and arrested her father when he protested.
It is obvious to me that none of this was caused by chromosomal abnormalities.
And then the Attorney General calling angry parents "domestic terrorists" and Obama blowing off women and children's safety concerns as "fake outrage" and telling people that they shouldn't care about a girl being raped, because they should care instead about "serious problems that actually affect serious people.”
I don't know how to make it more obvious that this push for men's rights, the disregard for women's and girl's safety, and the destruction of reality that this agenda entails is coming from the top. This is only one example.
Do you think that the Democrat governors who are putting men, including rapists and murderers, into women's prisons are doing that because of concern for chromosomal abnormalities?
Do you think that Rachel Levine, the "first female admiral" has chromosomal abnormalities? He fathered three children before he took up wearing womanface, he has no such problem.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 25 2021 23:13 utc | 149

it is well established that the systematic murder of Polish intelligentsia (officers, physicians, intellectuals of all kind of sorts), was perpetrated not by the Red Army, but by NKVD under Beria. You unnecessarily bring Red Army into discussion of this topic. Too bad. Call spade a spade. Read the "Special Tasks" by Pavel Sudoplatov, it is all there. Katyn was not the only place of killings.

Posted by: bystander 04 | Oct 26 2021 3:01 utc | 150

@WakeyWakey 134

By your yardstick, do you think enough women been murdered for them to be considered abused, marginalized, or vulnerable?

Posted by: Trisha | Oct 25 2021 15:06 utc | 137

I don't work for you "Trisha".

I posted what I wanted to post, which was proof that all this "Trannies are being murdered" crap was in western terms a complete LIE.

You can post what you think important but you don't get to dictate to me what I post.

Rather than quoting a supposedly "better informed" but quite openly transphobic and (no surprise here a white male who laughingly won a "Dick of the Year" award) blogger

Posting an unhinged rant, like an rage-drunk hysterical harridan, wins you the "Tit of the Thread" award, "Trisha"

Linehan didn't write that article, which you'd know if, instead of fireing off spittle-filled unhinged hysterical rants, you had actually taken the time to read it at the linked source. He merely reposted it at his website, someone else wrote it.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 13:12 utc | 151

This BBC piece demonstrates some of the lunacy involved in the whole 'trans' idea:

'We're being pressured into sex by some trans women'

Is a lesbian transphobic if she does not want to have sex with trans women? Some lesbians say they are increasingly being pressured and coerced into accepting trans women as partners - then shunned and even threatened for speaking out. Several have spoken to the BBC, along with trans women who are concerned about the issue too.

Lesbians who do not want to go to bed with a 'women with a dick' getting called out as being 'transphobic' and getting pressured to agree to being raped!

And no - it is not just one case but seems to be a genuine 'feature' under the woke LGBTQWERTY doctrine.

Posted by: b | Oct 26 2021 14:46 utc | 152

Posted by: b | Oct 26 2021 14:46 utc | 152


Famous Feminist and Handmaid's Tale author Margaret Atwood recently linked on twitter to an article titled "Why can’t we say ‘woman’ anymore? and was immediately subjected to appalling abuse from the Trannies and their "ally" supporters

Margaret Atwood for f**k sake!

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 14:59 utc | 153

UK: Home Office Orders Crime to be Recorded by SEX, not Gender Identity

    Home Secretary Priti Patel has ordered her office to begin working with the nation's police forces on a new procedure for officers to record the sex of criminals. It has been stated this is to ensure crime statistics are "more accurate" going forward, according to the Daily Mail.

    The move comes after multiple cases in which biologically male criminals identified as women during or after committing heinous crimes and were recorded as such. This has prompted concerns over the accuracy of crime recording statistics.

    Earlier this year, Professor Alice Sullivan of University College London submitted a petition to the Scottish government demanding police more accurately record the sex of rapists. According to her petition, "Rape is classified as a male crime in UK law, and females can only be charged with rape as an accomplice," yet her data shows that between 2012 and 2018, a total of 436 males prosecuted for rape were recorded as women.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 15:08 utc | 154

@ Posted by: b | Oct 26 2021 14:46 utc | 152

This case is different. It has nothing to do with the ideology itself, but how ideology in general works in a capitalist society.

In capitalism, people live in a state Hobbes called bellum omnium contra omnes, or a war of everybody against everybody. In practical terms, that means competition between individuals for wealth and power (no matter if in terms of a job, career or market share). This competition is not meritocratic: it is "everything goes", you can use any means you have to outcompete your enemies (who are everybody).

This case of trans women using their newly acquired ideological status to abuse power is more similar to the "#metoo" movement, which was basically powerful women aiming to vacate the jobs of even more powerful men in order to take their place in the social pecking order of Hollywood (American movies industry).

One can claim this is "not fair", but, if you think about it, using this kind of cheap ideology to clean the path of the social ladder is not that much different than white men using their social status in the 1950s to essentially rise to the top of the corporate world in the USA with much less competition (i.e. without the blacks and the women). The American leftists do have a point when they point out that cancel culture is merely the leftists revenge for the rightist "politically correct" doctrine of the 1980s-2000s. This is an inherent feature of capitalism.

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2021 15:08 utc | 155

The American leftists do have a point when they point out that cancel culture is merely the leftists revenge for the rightist "politically correct" doctrine of the 1980s-2000s.

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2021 15:08 utc | 155


its essentially the same doctrine, just updated, policing language and behavior as a substitute for real structural change.

it has everything to do with the "ideology" itself
you can fuck who you want but you'll still be offered starvation-wage jobs.

And the youth, being predictable in wanting change but also dumb and inexperienced, are convinced they are engaged in real meaningful structural change.

it "Deckchairs on the Titanic" type "political activism"

the same sort of fake-left people behind it too.

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 15:27 utc | 156

Constantine @Oct25 17:56 #144

Trisha has commented at moa several times over the years when gender issues arise. I have found her commentary to always be very rational and even-handed.

The anger expressed in your comment indicates that she was correct in her assessment that you need therapy.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 15:37 utc | 157

Lefty Self-destruction and Conservative Hysteria Heralds Move to the Right

It's difficult to not see through the absolute insanity that we are presented with. The Left's over-reaching and over-promising has played into the hands of the "populist conservative Movement" led by MAGA! Trump so completely that any political cynic can see that "the fix is in". Yet many can't distinguish reality from hysteria.

OMG! The liberals are coming for your money and your guns!

OMG! The trans are coming for your kids!

OMG! The blacks are coming for your money and "white privilege"!

OMG! The "illegal aliens" are coming to rape your daughters and spread Covid!

OMG! The Bidens are corrupt!

OMG! The Left is shutting down free speech! The radical Left is taking over!

Despite all-of-the-above, we still live in America where money rules and Empire-loving asshats control the media and politics. That those who have real power pretend to have lost that power should be a warning sign to those who are skeptical of TPTB. But the deluge of hysteria has overcome rational thought. So we get articles like this:

The Gaslighting Of America

that notes the Left's over-reaching and over-promising but doesn't question how fortuitous this self-destruction is for the Right.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 16:04 utc | 158

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 16:04 utc | 158

What a ridiculious article!

OMG! The liberals are coming for your money and your guns!

they absolutely are coming for your money. Instead of going after billionaire and corporate tax evaders the left (biden admin) went after working and middle class by tracking payments of 600 dollars and above.

OMG! The trans are coming for your kids!

oh they definitely are, just like they did in the 70's, trying to whitewash pedophilia, now they're trying to make into the "new normal": giving autogynophiles and hormone drug pushers easy access to your kids.

OMG! The Bidens are corrupt!


where's the lie?

OMG! The Left is shutting down free speech!

Oh they defintely are, so too the Right when it suits em.

Trannies/autogynophiles and Isreal (still) being the current "third-rails" for both

Posted by: WakeyWakey | Oct 26 2021 16:23 utc | 159

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 26 2021 15:37 utc | 157

Considering the garbage you pedal including in this thread, what seems "informative" to you isn't much of an accreditation. And to prove my point that later day liberals are incorrigible hypocrites, you refer to an LGBT poster's suggestion that one who has disagreed with said poster requires therapy. Ironically, this is exactly what many conservatives had suggested for the LGBT community with conversion therapy etc.

And in order to maintain your Jackass status, you bring up again Trump and his fans - the same Trump a certain clown was busting balls with in this blog, who was supposedly backed by the Deep State and being groomed for a sure re-election - and use their terminology about some "Left" which, in US conservative mentality you conveniently adopted, is somehow the DNC and its supporters. Typically as a liberal, you have missed entirelly the point that almost all leftists are making in this thread and still have the brass neck to decide who needs therapy. Maybe you should seek help yourself before suggesting it to others.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 26 2021 19:08 utc | 160

RE: Posted by: James2 | Oct 23 2021 23:04 utc | 100

“1. Many comments clearly show they didn’t read the speech “

It is likely that your observation is predicated on previous notions of “communication” with significant half-lives in areas including those in pedagogy and propaganda, seeking to conflate reading/interpreting in the hope of obfuscating interpretation and primacy there-of, which you extend in varying degree within your ensuing points 2 to 4.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 29 2021 13:37 utc | 161

RE: Posted by: vk | Oct 23 2021 23:17 utc | 101

“It may be that Putin is simply self-censoring himself over the fear of being assassinated by the oligarchs. “

Apparently you still prefer speculation to silence, including over conversations from the 1970's onwards not restricted to “Our gang is bigger than your gang” re-enforced by ocassional interactions from 1993 onwards.

Perhaps you extend such practice to "explain" the ongoing lateral process of the transcendence of "The Soviet Union" by the Russian Federation including but not limited to the existence of "oligarchs" and their activities and constraints ?

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 29 2021 13:50 utc | 162

His speech solidifies my opinion that Putin is fundamentally a reactionary. I have zero sympathy for the woke, but Putin doesn't restrict his screed to them. He clearly hates the entire Bolshevik project. Well, sorry, but while there are plenty of valid criticisms to be made of the Bolsheviks, fundamentally they dragged Russia into some semblance of the modern world. Russia today exists as a world power entirely on the back of Soviet foundations.

I've been reading a biography of Alexandra Kollontai lately. The background information it provides on the state of Russia in the late 19th and early 20th centuies is incredibly ugly. Among many other problems, peasant women (ie most women) in Tsarist Russia basically weren't considered people. That's the kind of widespread backwardness the Bolsheviks were striving against. If Putin is championing some return to 'traditional values' smothered by the Bolsheviks, that's the reality that he's advocating.

Posted by: Ben | Oct 30 2021 2:28 utc | 163

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