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October 28, 2021
Open Thread 2021-83
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just saw on TV use the taxpayer money to buy the vote Biden. Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 16:23 utc | 1 China has a stronger system than Russia. I don’t worry about the après-Xi as that country has a meritocracy whereby potential leaders have proved themselves through their performance in successively higher positions but in Russia, I don’t see anything like that. Putin may have built a strong team of people roughly as old as he is, but after Putin? Qui le sait ? Posted by: Albertde | Oct 28 2021 16:26 utc | 2 China has a stronger system than Russia. I don’t worry about the après-Xi as that country has a meritocracy whereby potential leaders have proved themselves through their performance in successively higher positions but in Russia, I don’t see anything like that. Putin may have built a strong team of people roughly as old as he is, but after Putin? Qui le sait ? Posted by: Albertde | Oct 28 2021 16:26 utc | 3 Any comments about the nuclear submarine collision in South China Sea? Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Oct 28 2021 16:30 utc | 4 @ Albertde 2 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 16:36 utc | 5 video on totalitarianism as it relates to covid… i thought it was quite good… others here might be interested.. Posted by: james | Oct 28 2021 16:44 utc | 6 My latest article published at my VK Space compiles recent commentary into a more cogent whole inspired by the Outlaw US Empire’s delusional foreign policy topic. I’m currently musing about China’s oft repeated goal of establishing a world of shared prosperity for all humanity, Russia’s seconding that goal, and the determined efforts of the Outlaw US Empire to defeat that effort–for that’s really what this supposedly new cold war’s all about. Donbass front heating up, three days of artillery exchanges plus the use of drones. Asked yesterday during a press conference with the Republic of Korea FM Lavrov had this to say: Posted by: Paco | Oct 28 2021 17:01 utc | 8 Graph of the day:
Remember at the beginning of October, when the Western MSM was shitting over China because it grew 0.2% below the expected in Q3-2021? They blamed it on Xi cracking down “entrepreneurship”, demographic catastrophe, Communist anarchic “creative destruction”, rise of “authoritarianism” etc. etc. Growth fell sharply in the USA and what do they blame? On fucking Delta variant, of course. James @ 6 Posted by: Oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:17 utc | 10 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-021-00779-5?fbclid=IwAR0f-MIvJopYfKE2QMmbUCwgIlJ1XcPQ__-7bK5RTzLhwGgqKQ9KVuhelJw Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:23 utc | 11 This is their policy about vaccinating children Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 17:24 utc | 12 Vaccine mandates: Venerable linguist, professed anarchist, and influential media analyst Noam Chomsky has called for the forced isolation and shunning of covid vaccine refuseniks. Veteran journalist Jonathan Cook offers a logic exercise working through Chomsky’s points of argument: Posted by: jayc | Oct 28 2021 17:36 utc | 13 DG @ 12 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:39 utc | 14
The situation may be worse than that. The vaccine stimulates the human immune system and provokes it to create resistance to a specific protein associated with the Alpha variant. Posted by: Sushi | Oct 28 2021 17:40 utc | 15 Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 16:23 utc | 1 Posted by: jo6pac | Oct 28 2021 17:44 utc | 16 Oldhippie @ 13 Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:21 utc | 17 @ Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 17:24 utc | 12 Meet Laos’ First High-Speed Train Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2021 18:34 utc | 19 Oldhippie @13 Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 21 Jm Caviezel Speech Posted by: ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 22 https://consortiumnews.com/2021/10/25/us-appeal-in-assange-case-begins-tomorrow-help-us-cover-it/ Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 18:49 utc | 23 ConsortiumNews has excellent coverage of the Assange appeal. Posted by: chet380 | Oct 28 2021 19:27 utc | 24 @ 12
Yes, and in fact, this is how we found out the vaccines were safe and efficacious among adults to begin with. We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it’s possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent. Posted by: fnord | Oct 28 2021 19:42 utc | 25 @ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 21 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 28 2021 19:53 utc | 26 @ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 21 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 28 2021 20:32 utc | 27 James @ 6 Posted by: ld | Oct 28 2021 20:41 utc | 28 fnord #24: “Yes, and in fact, this is how we found out the vaccines were safe and efficacious among adults to begin with. We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it’s possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent.” Posted by: Caliman | Oct 28 2021 21:03 utc | 29 mexico is such a narco half-failed state…. Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 28 2021 21:12 utc | 30 @ Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 20 @oldhippie Posted by: Platero | Oct 28 2021 21:31 utc | 32 @DG 12 Posted by: Platero | Oct 28 2021 21:33 utc | 33 “Time to stock up on dung? Ukrainian MP tells citizens to collect & store MANURE for energy as country awaits possible fuel crisis” Posted by: Tom | Oct 28 2021 21:43 utc | 34 And this gem from Director-General Jean-Eric Paquet of The Directorate-General for Research and Innovation. Posted by: Tom | Oct 28 2021 21:55 utc | 35 The whole concept of a “nuclear arms race” is so evil, so incredibly stupid and deranged, a race to self-extinction and annihilation of the entire planet, Carl Sagan’s “pale blue dot” which is our home. Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:08 utc | 36 Nuclear arms race ‘stupid,’ Beijing will make sure it can destroy US just ‘ONCE’ – Chinese media boss. Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:11 utc | 37 Imagine if Assange were Chinese, being held in prison in Hong Kong, with China trying to extradite him for the publication of secret Chinese documents that detailed their war crimes – rigged extradition hearings after Chinese plots to kidnap and assassinate him failed. Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:22 utc | 38 ld #21
Ticked off Vic agrees with your last word. Miracle schmiracle :)) 3mins utoob Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:39 utc | 39 Tom Fowdy again takes up the Taiwan issue, “Overconfident Taiwan is playing with fire by ratcheting up tensions with China. How long will Beijing’s patience last?” He appears to weigh both sides’s potential moves, but I can’t keep from thinking he’s missed something. A few days ago, China for the first time included attack and transport helos in its training drill (FTX) aimed at Taiwan. I’d expect the numbers involved in such an FTX to escalate to the point of what a genuine invasion would require. But there’s also another political ploy China ought to attempt since it clearly would rather wait until the Olympics are over to do anything kenetic as Fowdy relates. Tom #34 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:50 utc | 41 Must again call-out Philip Giraldi for his crucial mistakes in his latest article. What he omits is the fact that Obama/Biden reneged immediately on the JCPOA by not relieving the sanctions or giving Iran back is frozen assets. Yes, Trump further violated the treaty by withdrawing from it, but it was already a clusterfuck thanks to Obama/Biden. Giraldi thus generates a Straw Man for his article. If anyone’s a salesman for the Ds, it’s Giraldi. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:50 utc | 40 Posted by: tucenz | Oct 28 2021 22:58 utc | 43 @ 39 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:06 utc | 44 Posted by: Oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:17 utc | 10 Posted by: Paul | Oct 28 2021 23:11 utc | 45 Lavrov’s description of Western imposed development: karlof1 #39
Thank you and agreed the calling out is a desirable thing. I see this calling out as a slow motion exercise that has been in play for the past two decades (2008+ at least). Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 23:35 utc | 47 re: Iran sanctions Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:36 utc | 48 RJB1.5 @ 26: Posted by: Jen | Oct 28 2021 23:38 utc | 49 Don Bacon @43– fnord | Oct 28 2021 19:42 utc | 24
The 1986 law that exempts vaccine manufacturers from liability requires safety tests be conducted every two years:
If these tests were actually conducted there would now be 35+ year record of . . .the licensing, manufacturing, processing, testing, labeling, warning, use instructions, distribution, storage, administration, field surveillance, adverse reaction reporting, and recall of reactogenic lots or batches, of vaccines, and research on vaccines, in order to reduce the risks of adverse reactions to vaccines.” which would provide much needed assurance of vaccine safety. Posted by: pogohere | Oct 28 2021 23:46 utc | 51 Stripes
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:47 utc | 52 @ 10 oldhippie… thanks for sharing your personal experience.. it is very discouraging… it is amazing how easily people are manipulated into thinking a particular way, in spite of the positive personal experiences they’ve had with you… i am sorry to hear of all that.. i did find the video fairly thought provoking.. the part about 30% don’t go along, 35% go along and 30% go along, but just to go along… what i think is interesting in this is the porous nature of it all where the 30% that are just going along even if they don’t agree with it, can change their minds on it all.. well, i found the whole conversation quite interesting, although i have never studied totalitarianism, or watched videos on it for that matter… mass psychology… i haven’t studied it in any academic way, but just on a very personal level… people are very easily influenced and often times it is based on ignorance, as opposed to knowledge or wisdom… Posted by: james | Oct 29 2021 0:24 utc | 53 Its about time that dying empire took on China instead of beating up small countries because it can. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 0:33 utc | 54 Don Bacon #47 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 1:05 utc | 55 So Putin recently said a ‘severe food crises’ is expected in the near future…. Thoughts? Posted by: Hungry | Oct 29 2021 1:20 utc | 56 With respect to Taiwan, I suspect that the US government wants to goad China into military action against Taiwan after it declares independence, then sit back and allow China to take it uncontested. Sure the US would be embarrassed by the fall of Taiwan (just as they were embarrassed by the fall of Afghanistan). But they could then use the forcible reintegration of Taiwan as a casus belli for a new Cold War with China, demanding that the other Western states immediately brake their economic and political ties with China. Biden would be an ideal patsy to be blamed for the “Fall of Taiwan” and the US would be able to force international manufacturing back into the US (at least for the states that follow the US into its’ league of isolation). Realistically speaking, the US is in no position to militarily (or even economically) fight China while also importing 40% of all consumer goods from China. The US would need to break the economic ties first, reindustrialize its economy for domestic needs, then sally forth to confront China (that would take at least 10yrs). The US needs a catalytic event to push them into the position of being able to break those relationships with China before it can confront China, a Taiwan crisis might be that event Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2021 1:27 utc | 57 Everything you read about the hand wringing pure intentions of the USA to improve the JCPOA is BS. Every day in every way the USA bows to its dominator. I have little hope that it is even capable of whimpering let alone standing up for the american people.
The rigid harness that has been fastened to the USA economy and political class has few weaknesses. It has been meticulously woven for the past century (at least) and will not be easily deconstructed or recycled into some vehicle of freedom and civil prosperity. Containment is one most likely strategy for the outsiders and I see that as being carefully applied in many lands. If the nations of Europe can be weaned off their disabling addiction to the USA through the present enticements from Russia and China models of capitalism, there is hope for a sane world. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 1:32 utc | 58 in line at the local convenience, i was barely paying attention when ESPN on the tellie overhead said something about “the NASCAR Races”…and not being fully woke i wondered if this was a new way to refer to white people? the NASCAR races? Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 29 2021 1:43 utc | 59 DG @ 12 Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 29 2021 1:50 utc | 60 DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 20
Posted by: pogohere | Oct 29 2021 1:52 utc | 61 Hi fellow barflies, I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter : Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 2:04 utc | 62 On tw election 2020
As late as 2018, tw overwhelmingly favored keeping the status quo .
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These avalanche of fear porn worked like a charm. Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2021 2:10 utc | 63 @Featherless — Good for you to remain wary of world developments and looking out for your folks, but probably would advise against taking financial advice from the internet. Posted by: ptb | Oct 29 2021 2:13 utc | 64 @kadath 56 Posted by: mastameta | Oct 29 2021 2:31 utc | 65 On financial advice:
Now I am not suggesting you should follow Buffett but you could at least read this to get a glimpse of the activities of his kind. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 2:32 utc | 66 @61 Featherless Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2021 2:45 utc | 67 @ Kadath 56 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2021 2:47 utc | 68 Breaking the economic ties between USA and China could prove more injurious to the USA than China. Variable Interest Equities might be the elephant that stands on the USA foot.
And then if that is insufficient to disturb your confidence in wall street the perhaps a prayer from Morgan Stanley, Evergrande’s auditor will improve your outlook. Going forward that is:/
Wallstreetonparade is often a sobering site to consider. Bravo to that indefatigable duo of fine reporters. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 3:02 utc | 69 @ Grieved 66 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2021 3:04 utc | 70 ooops correction to the above post:
YES that is 2012! Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 3:19 utc | 71 Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 2:04 utc | 61 Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 3:54 utc | 72 @ Featherless and others, Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 4:37 utc | 73 mastameta @64, Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2021 4:44 utc | 74 Speaking of drugs with not properly established properties: Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 4:45 utc | 75 Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2021 2:45 utc | 66 Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 29 2021 4:58 utc | 76 Below is a raw link to Xinhuanet that is a 3 minute somewhat musical video about Covid responses by America and China…..quite creative but not sure of audience and results. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 4:58 utc | 77 Below is a Xinhuanet posting of interest Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 5:00 utc | 78 It just came to me that one of the reasons for beating on China is to upset their coming Olympics hosting….sigh Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 5:27 utc | 79 Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 4:45 utc | 74 Posted by: Paco | Oct 29 2021 6:07 utc | 80 @79 Paco Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 6:17 utc | 81 Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 6:17 utc | 80 Posted by: Paco | Oct 29 2021 6:43 utc | 82 No one is attacking the USA, Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2021 6:49 utc | 83 Given we are at a whisky bar, could some barflies nominate their favourite tipple please? Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 7:23 utc | 84
She claims the support of the US people. What is the situation with respect to the support of the resident Taiwainese? Posted by: Sushi | Oct 29 2021 8:30 utc | 85 @81 Paco Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 8:52 utc | 86 MichaelJ @ 72 .. posted: Posted by: snake | Oct 29 2021 8:56 utc | 87 Piotr Berman #82 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 9:05 utc | 88 So Putin recently said a ‘severe food crises’ is expected in the near future…. Thoughts? Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 29 2021 9:21 utc | 89 Sushi | 14 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 29 2021 9:43 utc | 90 Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2021 6:49 utc | 82 Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2021 11:24 utc | 91 Thank you for your input. I was specifically wondering if – in prevision of the new economic context – it would be better or not, to cash in RRSPs (retirement investment taxed upon withdrawal) to pay off the house mortgage, get a newer car or fix up the old one, and transfer investments to the Chinese cryptocurrency, which should take less of a drop than the wall street based western investments. Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 11:40 utc | 92 A quick scan and to the photos of the week at TASS brought a new issue to my attention: dengue fever outbreak in Pakistan. (I was lured in by the photo of the lemur with his head stuck in a jack o’lantern. Who can resist that??) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 29 2021 11:58 utc | 93 Paco @ 81 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2021 12:06 utc | 94 CBC/News Network is at it in Canada again. Hyping a new episode of “Marketplace” which focuses on Xinjiang “forced Uyghur labour” employed in making tomato products (paste, ketchup, etc.,) sold in Canada. Posted by: spudski | Oct 29 2021 12:08 utc | 95 Posted by: Sushi | Oct 29 2021 8:30 utc | 84
It ended in 2018 or 2019 if I remember correctly Posted by: littlereddot | Oct 29 2021 12:10 utc | 96 @oldhippie 11 Posted by: Wim | Oct 29 2021 12:11 utc | 97 China doesn’t need to invade Taiwan Posted by: littlereddot | Oct 29 2021 12:27 utc | 98 A UK nuclear sub has just turned up in Perth, West Australia, at the submarine base. They are going to spend a billion dollars expanding the navy port on Garden Island to host US, UK, and Aus(???) nuclear submarines so they can blockade China. Posted by: Ric G | Oct 29 2021 12:29 utc | 99 In reading Zakharova’s comments from her update on the 28th, I noted this one statement which I think has broader meaning than in the immediate context: “We would like to remind those that have forgotten that we already have a code of rules.” In years past, the Saker has written about this – an unpublished code between the two sides in the former Cold War. I speculate that this may be an indirect reference by her to that code of rules. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 29 2021 12:51 utc | 100 |
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