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October 28, 2021

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just saw on TV use the taxpayer money to buy the vote Biden.
This time its $1.75 trillion and he wants to give in cash to those people that have children and to invest it in electric cars so these poor people can quit riding the diesel powered school buses? Save the environment.


has anybody got a link to the guts of the actual bill

Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 16:23 utc | 1

China has a stronger system than Russia. I don't worry about the après-Xi as that country has a meritocracy whereby potential leaders have proved themselves through their performance in successively higher positions but in Russia, I don't see anything like that. Putin may have built a strong team of people roughly as old as he is, but after Putin? Qui le sait ?

Posted by: Albertde | Oct 28 2021 16:26 utc | 2

China has a stronger system than Russia. I don't worry about the après-Xi as that country has a meritocracy whereby potential leaders have proved themselves through their performance in successively higher positions but in Russia, I don't see anything like that. Putin may have built a strong team of people roughly as old as he is, but after Putin? Qui le sait ?

Posted by: Albertde | Oct 28 2021 16:26 utc | 3

Any comments about the nuclear submarine collision in South China Sea?

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Oct 28 2021 16:30 utc | 4

@ Albertde 2
[China] has a meritocracy whereby potential leaders have proved themselves through their performance in successively higher position
Yes, it's a much better system. But the US pols (of course) say in effect "democracy equals voting" and so China is not democratic. Then China gets the experienced and highly merited Xi and we get stuck with a "democratic" opportunity to vote for Hillary or Trump, causing more people to not vote than vote for either of them.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 16:36 utc | 5

video on totalitarianism as it relates to covid... i thought it was quite good... others here might be interested..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2OuLP4yj0

@ bemildred.. let me know what you think if you watch it.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Oct 28 2021 16:44 utc | 6

My latest article published at my VK Space compiles recent commentary into a more cogent whole inspired by the Outlaw US Empire's delusional foreign policy topic. I'm currently musing about China's oft repeated goal of establishing a world of shared prosperity for all humanity, Russia's seconding that goal, and the determined efforts of the Outlaw US Empire to defeat that effort--for that's really what this supposedly new cold war's all about.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2021 17:00 utc | 7

Donbass front heating up, three days of artillery exchanges plus the use of drones. Asked yesterday during a press conference with the Republic of Korea FM Lavrov had this to say:

Question: You said that you discussed security on the Korean Peninsula during the meeting. Have you discussed challenges on a more global scale? Many Russians are worried that NATO is concentrating its forces and weapons close to the Russian border and is ready to set up military bases in Ukraine. What diplomatic efforts are being made to keep NATO at a safe distance from our country? Thank you.

Sergey Lavrov: Diplomatic efforts are not enough in this situation. We need to respond in other ways that will measure up to the security threats the Russian Federation is facing. Let me assure you that President Vladimir Putin is keeping these matters under his personal control, as are all the relevant agencies, both on the diplomatic and non-diplomatic fronts.
 

Posted by: Paco | Oct 28 2021 17:01 utc | 8

Graph of the day:

There was a sharp slowdown in the US economic recovery

There was a sharp slowdown in the US economic recovery from the pandemic in the third quarter of 2021. US real GDP rose just 0.5%, or 2% on an annualised basis, much lower than forecast and down from a 6.7% pace in Q2. This was the weakest quarterly growth figure since the depth of the pandemic slump last year.

Most important, business investment slumped to a 1.8% rate from 9.2% in Q2, with investment in new factories and equipment actually falling. Only investment in so-called 'intellectual property' ie software etc, rose.

Compared to Q3 2020 near the depth of pandemic slump, US real GDP is up 4.9%, after being up 12.2% yoy in Q2. Business investment was up 9.0% compared to Q3 2020, but that was a slowdown from Q2 2021.

Remember at the beginning of October, when the Western MSM was shitting over China because it grew 0.2% below the expected in Q3-2021? They blamed it on Xi cracking down "entrepreneurship", demographic catastrophe, Communist anarchic "creative destruction", rise of "authoritarianism" etc. etc. Growth fell sharply in the USA and what do they blame? On fucking Delta variant, of course.

Posted by: vk | Oct 28 2021 17:07 utc | 9

James @ 6

Matthias Desmet is very good. And a good speaker, he explains his point extremely well. Mostly or entirely this is very standard psychology, his application of common knowledge to our current situation is needed.

Twice recently very old friends have informed me that I need to be vaccinated and that it needs to be done at gunpoint. They were explicit, a soldier needs to put a gun to my head while I am forcibly vaccinated. These are old and mild and polite and completely normal people. Who watch way too much TV. The one friend is a very aged lady I have provided care for a long time. Her daughter and her son-in-law, an eminent and somewhat famous surgeon, have plainly told me that Nana would not be alive without my constant help. Yet the lady wants a military gun to my head.

My feeling at this point is that men with guns has always been what this episode is about. That two people who don’t know each other come up with the same extreme and offensive comment, and feel free to throw it in my face, tells me that very effective propaganda is in use. Neither person thought this one up themself.

Look at this page, this blog. This is a place populated by supposed freethinkers and socialists. Only a handful are not authoritarians. Anything under the sun is free game here, most passively accept whatever government information comes their way if it is couched as medical, not political. Most here would say they accept nothing from government at face value. Everything covid is accepted here without a second thought. Making the most modest point that rejects accepted wisdom as provided by Pfizer and relayed by NIH is almost impossible here.

I am going away a moment and coming back with a med journal link about the new variant. The new variant entirely evades vaccine induced immunity. The virus the vaccines hopefully protect against no longer exists. With new variants the vaccines are meaningless. The narrative will unroll regardless.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:17 utc | 10

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-021-00779-5?fbclid=IwAR0f-MIvJopYfKE2QMmbUCwgIlJ1XcPQ__-7bK5RTzLhwGgqKQ9KVuhelJw

New variant “highly efficient “ at evading vaccine. The vaccines are directed at extinct viruses.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:23 utc | 11

This is their policy about vaccinating children

Dr. Ruben on the FDA panel: “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes.”

You ok with that?

watch

https://t.me/robinmg/10588

Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 17:24 utc | 12

Vaccine mandates: Venerable linguist, professed anarchist, and influential media analyst Noam Chomsky has called for the forced isolation and shunning of covid vaccine refuseniks. Veteran journalist Jonathan Cook offers a logic exercise working through Chomsky’s points of argument:
https://www.unz.com/jcook/is-forced-isolation-of-the-unvaccinated-really-the-lefts-answer-to-the-pandemic/

Related, unlike the province of Quebec, which had temporarily abandoned a vaccine mandate in the province’s health system, the Canadian province of British Columbia has gone ahead with such scheme and yesterday removed 4100 workers from already stressed and understaffed workplaces. These persons have a few weeks to submit to the jab or face permanent removal. Eighteen months ago there were nightly expressions (banging pots and cheering at a specified time) celebrating the health care sector, and now a fair number of these persons are being vilified, and their intellectual abilities denigrated, by their employer - quite a turnaround. The loss of these employees will result in the immediate postponement of surgeries and diagnostics, which may predictably lead to poor outcomes for patients whose existing issues are time sensitive. Is it worth it? Cook’s logic, in my opinion, correctly arrives at the answer “no”.

These mandates are fully part of an adopted “living with covid” endemic strategy, which is based on theories of “herd immunity” which may or may not hold up. Objectively, it is the open school systems which are keeping the infection rates high, but those are off the table in public discussion. So it appears the pandemic strategy in the west is better understood as “everyone for themselves”, which the vaccine refuseniks seem to already understand. (I am vaxxed myself)

Posted by: jayc | Oct 28 2021 17:36 utc | 13

DG @ 12

Dr. Eric J. Rubin is also Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medecine.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:39 utc | 14


Posted by: Oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:17 utc | 10
The new variant entirely evades vaccine induced immunity.

The situation may be worse than that. The vaccine stimulates the human immune system and provokes it to create resistance to a specific protein associated with the Alpha variant.

There is evidence of the following:

1) The vaccine manipulates the function of the human immune system such that it degrades the inherent capability of the immune system to recognize and respond to other forms of pathogen.

The result is that the vaccinated have a compromised immune system less able to respond to any new SARS-CoV-2 variants.

It is not known to what degree such immune system compromise alters immune system response to pathogens other than SARS-CoV-2 and its variants.

2) There is concern that the action of the vaccine in targeting a specific protein associated with one variant may increase the potential for infection by new variants. In other words, the vaccine may increase the risk of infection rather than decrease risk of infection.

3) The above are in addition to other adverse effects such as myocarditis.

To understand the dangers associated with the present vaccines you need to answer the following question:

Given that it takes 5 to 7 years to verify the safety of any new vaccine, on what date will a vaccine targeting a virus not recognized, or known to humankind until January 2020, be determined to be safe?

Stay well

Posted by: Sushi | Oct 28 2021 17:40 utc | 15

Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 16:23 utc | 1


What we know so far but I'm betting it gets reduce even more.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/politics/president-joe-biden-economic-agenda/index.html

The main thing millionaires and they're friends billionaires are safe

Posted by: jo6pac | Oct 28 2021 17:44 utc | 16

Oldhippie @ 13

I didn’t know that. Now I’m terrified.

How come he is expressing such opinions? What is wrong with these ppl?

We are talking about children ffs

Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:21 utc | 17

@ Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 17:24 utc | 12

That's the case with every modern drug. Big Pharma doesn't demonstrate the effectiveness of their drugs anymore, it's been like that for decades.

Posted by: vk | Oct 28 2021 18:29 utc | 18

Meet Laos' First High-Speed Train
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTXmR3VxfA

The China-Laos high-speed railway is now complete. The first passenger train is being delivered in October 2021. This is a tangible example of how China contributes to the world and to developing countries which stands in stark contrast to the wars, interference, and subversion carried out by the West.

The new high-speed rail line connects the city of Kunming in China to the capitol of Laos, Vientiane. Vientiane is right on the border to Thailand, and the next leg from Vientiane to Bangkok or already under construction.

China provides bullet-trains. The West provides bullets, but no trains.

and...

First China-Europe Shanghai freight train arrives in Hamburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDvlA4YiofA

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2021 18:34 utc | 19

Sushi @ 14

Yes.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 18:35 utc | 20

Oldhippie @13

To be fair this is a fuller comment. Not that it changes anything. As a matter of fact it’s even more terrifying

“ This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients. …

It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.

But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it.”

VK @ 17

“ it's been like that for decades”

I’m trying to find a vaccine that was approved in months in the last decades


Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 21

Jm Caviezel Speech
whipping up the evangelists for war.
Unbefeckinglievable

https://youtu.be/_1CiCur4QVw?t=807

Posted by: ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 22

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/10/25/us-appeal-in-assange-case-begins-tomorrow-help-us-cover-it/


Zico the Muskteer @ 4.
When did the nuclear submarine collision you mention happen.? <=. If recent this could be the 2nd one in a few weeks. ?

Posted by: snake | Oct 28 2021 18:49 utc | 23

ConsortiumNews has excellent coverage of the Assange appeal.

Posted by: chet380 | Oct 28 2021 19:27 utc | 24

@ 12

Dr. Ruben on the FDA panel: “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes.”

You ok with that?

Yes, and in fact, this is how we found out the vaccines were safe and efficacious among adults to begin with. We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it's possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent.

We didn't know a lot of things were bad until we found out the hard way. Dr. Ruben is correct with his Vonnegutian "so it goes."

Posted by: fnord | Oct 28 2021 19:42 utc | 25

@ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 21
that is a very bizarre marketing campaign for KFC to announce the return of its DOUBLE DOWN sandwich-sized patriotic family meal. it looks like the baby dugong sharing the stage with him is having trouble breathing as it waves its flippers in mimicry of applause. good thing Amurka doesn't need any of these brave warriors to hurt themselves getting out of the chair.

"god is so great...but if we don't do something about the biden socialism, 1000 years of darkness will fall upon the world when its last best hope is extinguished forever!" idolatry much, fascist no acting dumbass?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 28 2021 19:53 utc | 26

@ld | Oct 28 2021 18:48 utc | 21
I wonder if Jim Caviezel and co consider how much their churches, esp the RCC, are funded by the state, thru tax breaks and thru "faith-based" blah blah blah taking over "privatized" social services? Schools, DV shelters, soup kitchens, etc., etc. and did i mention tax breaks for the rich for funding these ops? Standard Oil + Billy Sunday (or Koch Bros + Franklin Graham) = America.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 28 2021 20:32 utc | 27

James @ 6
Thanks for the link.
I thought they were spot on.

They did leave out the obvious... perhaps if people put down their devices they would feel more connected. Living life in the real world without the skewed filter of technology would limit the effects of their psyops

Posted by: ld | Oct 28 2021 20:41 utc | 28

fnord #24: "Yes, and in fact, this is how we found out the vaccines were safe and efficacious among adults to begin with. We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it's possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent."

So, no, absolutely not. Here's the thing: vaccines usually go through rigorous, multi-year testing to tease out the rare but important side effects. In this case, because the risk of the disease to the general population was deemed to be extremely high and the preliminary efficacy numbers of the vaccines seemed good, "emergency" authorization was granted. The key factor is that RISK had to be balanced against the possibility of unknown side effects.

The absolute fact regarding people under 18 (let alone under 11) is that the risk of the disease to this age cohort in incredibly low, lower than the common flu. 99.99% of the people in this age group get the disease and recover, with robust post-disease immune system resistance to future infection.

Thus, because of this vanishingly small risk, the comment about let's administer the vaccine and find out what happens is nonsense. You are approving administering a medicine that has unknown long term side effects to a population at almost no risk. There is simply no reason to do so.

Lastly, we do not KNOW that the vaccines are safe for adults ... we will see whether they are or are not as the years pass. Currently, I'd say the vaccines are worth the risk for people over 50 ... I would not take one, unless forced, if I was younger and reasonably healthy.

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 28 2021 21:03 utc | 29

mexico is such a narco half-failed state....

....and I don't care what the moderately progressive neo-liberal Obrador (AMLO) says either


fyi

We Finally Know How 43 (mexican) Students on a Bus Vanished Into Thin Air
https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-finally-know-how-43-ayotzinapa-students-on-a-bus-vanished-into-thin-air?via=rss&source=articles_fancylink


Transcripts of newly released text messages between a crime boss and a deputy police chief have finally lifted the lid on the mystery of 43 students who went missing one night in southwestern Mexico.

The messages indicate that the cops and the cartel worked together to capture, torture, and murder at least 38 of the 43 student teachers who went missing in September of 2014......

Stephanie Brewer, the Mexico director at the Washington Office on Latin America, said the new evidence shows how often in Mexico “organized crime is comprised of both state and non-state actors.”

Brewer pointed to both “state tolerance and collusion—seen in this case in its most brutal and extreme form, where corrupt police are carrying out the gravest human rights violations that exist.”

Although Salgado is already incarcerated for his alleged role in the massacre, López was arrested and then released over an apparent failure of due process (in other words, the payoff bribe money made it to the judge; and the narco was released. - mjm), and remains at large.

....A leading newspaper, La Reforma, published leaked testimony earlier this year that suggested army officers based in Iguala had also worked with the Guerreros Unidos to round up some of the students as well as other enemies of the cartel who were in the town on the night of Sept. 26.

.....Unfortunately, the tragedy of Iguala is far from an isolated incident. More than 93,000 people have gone missing during Mexico’s long drug war—and more than 90 percent of those cases have never been solved,

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 28 2021 21:12 utc | 30

@ Posted by: DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 20

Why would the logic be different for vaccines? The methodology is the same.

Posted by: vk | Oct 28 2021 21:24 utc | 31

@oldhippie

" soldier needs to put a gun to my head while I am forcibly vaccinated"

It will, eventually come to that .... to get 100% compliance. But they will be able to get to 95% before that. Everyone I know that has a boss or goes to school has had the vaccine to keep doing what they've been doing.

Posted by: Platero | Oct 28 2021 21:31 utc | 32

@DG 12

"You ok with that? "

One could be ok with that if the disease was a danger to children. Children are at close to zero risk from covid.

Posted by: Platero | Oct 28 2021 21:33 utc | 33

"Time to stock up on dung? Ukrainian MP tells citizens to collect & store MANURE for energy as country awaits possible fuel crisis"

Perhaps Brussels can help them out with that. And Washington, and Ottawa, and...

Shitty energy poicies gives you well, shit. At least Greta will be happy.

https://www.rt.com/russia/538577-ukraine-kiev-fuel-crisis-energy/

Posted by: Tom | Oct 28 2021 21:43 utc | 34

And this gem from Director-General Jean-Eric Paquet of The Directorate-General for Research and Innovation.

"On #WorldEnergyDay let's all recall that gender & intersectionality are crucial when talking about
effective & equitable #energy technologies."

Anybody from Woke U that can deconstruct this for me?

https://nit.deuchnord.fr/JEPaquetEU/status/1451484321496317952#m

Posted by: Tom | Oct 28 2021 21:55 utc | 35

The whole concept of a “nuclear arms race” is so evil, so incredibly stupid and deranged, a race to self-extinction and annihilation of the entire planet, Carl Sagan’s “pale blue dot” which is our home.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g

Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:08 utc | 36

Nuclear arms race ‘stupid,’ Beijing will make sure it can destroy US just ‘ONCE’ – Chinese media boss.
https://www.rt.com/news/538638-china-nuclear-race-destroy-us/

Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:11 utc | 37

Imagine if Assange were Chinese, being held in prison in Hong Kong, with China trying to extradite him for the publication of secret Chinese documents that detailed their war crimes - rigged extradition hearings after Chinese plots to kidnap and assassinate him failed.

Imagine the uproar in the West, in the EU, in Canada, Australia, and the US. He would have been given their worthless Nobel Peace prize long ago.

Posted by: Moses | Oct 28 2021 22:22 utc | 38

ld #21

Jm Caviezel Speech
whipping up the evangelists for war.
Unbefeckinglievable

Ticked off Vic agrees with your last word. Miracle schmiracle :)) 3mins utoob

And yes note they are all talking from the same agenda - demonising THEM !!!. sad bunch of sick lizard people.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:39 utc | 39

Tom Fowdy again takes up the Taiwan issue, "Overconfident Taiwan is playing with fire by ratcheting up tensions with China. How long will Beijing’s patience last?" He appears to weigh both sides's potential moves, but I can't keep from thinking he's missed something. A few days ago, China for the first time included attack and transport helos in its training drill (FTX) aimed at Taiwan. I'd expect the numbers involved in such an FTX to escalate to the point of what a genuine invasion would require. But there's also another political ploy China ought to attempt since it clearly would rather wait until the Olympics are over to do anything kenetic as Fowdy relates.

The ploy is to invoke US History, specifically its own violent method of ending the South's secession that was abetted by that Era's Super Power--England. China should directly call out Biden and his fellow Outlaws and bluntly say the North showed zero tolerance for the secession and needed to employ its good relations with Russia to get England to back down from intervening. It should also add the Outlaw US Empire's involvement in the separation of the Koreas and Vietnam, the 2014 Ukraine coup which resulted in an unnecessary separation and civil war that's still ongoing, Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, and the many other attempts since WW2's end. Such a historical/diplomatic barrage is indefensible for the Outlaw Empire, and it will be forced to back off. Having reminded the world of the recent past and the seminal event in US History aside from its Revolution, China should follow-up by stating the Outlaw Empire's goal in pursuing this provocation--to defeat China's attempt to get the world on board its proposal to create a world of shared prosperity for all humanity because the Empire greatly prefers the current status quo of extreme inequality and ongoing deep poverty--even for its own citizenry. It's past time to call out the inhuman Outlaw US Empire and call it what it is in no uncertain terms because there's really a great deal at stake and it's not just about China and Taiwan; it's about the future wellbeing of 7+ Billion humans and the planet's health.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2021 22:41 utc | 40

Tom #34

"On #WorldEnergyDay let's all recall that gender & intersectionality are crucial when talking about
effective & equitable #energy technologies."

Anybody from Woke U that can deconstruct this for me?

Perhaps this image reveals the authors real intention and desired future for humans?

Note: one child family without need for an identifiable male presence, minimal consumer habit, biodegradable housing materials, gender and race perfection, low silicon based technologies on wall, perhaps there are more identifiers I am yet to see.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:50 utc | 41

Must again call-out Philip Giraldi for his crucial mistakes in his latest article. What he omits is the fact that Obama/Biden reneged immediately on the JCPOA by not relieving the sanctions or giving Iran back is frozen assets. Yes, Trump further violated the treaty by withdrawing from it, but it was already a clusterfuck thanks to Obama/Biden. Giraldi thus generates a Straw Man for his article. If anyone's a salesman for the Ds, it's Giraldi.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2021 22:53 utc | 42

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 22:50 utc | 40

What the photo doesn't show is me on the left smoking a big joint while typing on my laptop. Mum looks well baked too!

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 28 2021 22:58 utc | 43

@ 39
Abe Lincoln: "A government that allows secession will disintegrate into anarchy."
That's the US in 1860. The secession was halted with a huge loss in lives.
Or just look at Ukraine in 2014 and UK in 1776. Secession worked.
In other words Taiwan either needs a 'big brother' facilitator to make the land grab, or the secessionists need to fight and win for their independence. The first case would require the US to actually occupy Taiwan and win against China. Impossible. The US with its long logistics route and inferior weapons can't win, as war games have shown. The alternative is for Taiwan to fight and win against China. Also impossible, they have very weak military.
So Mr. Lincoln take a seat on this one.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:06 utc | 44

Posted by: Oldhippie | Oct 28 2021 17:17 utc | 10

Thanks for you link @ 11 too.

These times not only bring out the best and worst in people but demonstrate who are your real friends. I too have helped people in the past only to be stabbed in the back for no reason.

The inner authoritarians and conformists shows their true face in adversity. They don't like to rock the media/government boat.

I notice those marginalised, ignored and treated abominably by governments and their nasty bureaucracies in the past have a long burning memory of past injustices. They are now the most resistant to listening, trusting or being pushed around by the old enemy.

'The government is the enemy of the people,' Dr Timothy Leary, 'The Politics of Ecstasy'.


Posted by: Paul | Oct 28 2021 23:11 utc | 45

Lavrov's description of Western imposed development:

"Today Afghanistan is a country that actually has to begin from scratch, to rise from the ruins in both the literal and the figurative meaning of the term. This is the logical result of two decades of the enforcement of the US-NATO model of state development. The Western countries’ stubborn desire to rebuild Afghanistan according to their own designs has led to dramatic consequences, namely, internal hostility and bloodshed, social polarisation, socioeconomic collapse and a humanitarian catastrophe. It has also encouraged rampant international terrorism and an unheard-of volume of drug production and corruption." [My Emphasis]

Lavrov on the Terrorist Foreign Legion ensconced within Afghanistan:

"As is obvious, it will hardly be possible to develop a normal foreign policy – particularly towards the neighbouring countries, which are the prime targets for the international terrorist groups that have become entrenched in Afghanistan and are being manipulated from the outside – unless a resolute fight is launched against drug production and trafficking as well as against these destructive forces....

"We once again call on the countries neighbouring on Afghanistan to prevent the US and NATO from establishing a military presence in their territory, given their plans to move there after pulling out of Afghanistan." [My Emphasis]

Yes, it's critically important to keep the evildoers out. But how to accomplish this task:

"It is clear that immense financial outlays will be required to create Afghanistan’s national education and health systems and in general establish an effective socioeconomic infrastructure in the country. In this connection I would like to lay a special stress on the following: the main responsibility should be borne by those who have driven that country into its present state." [My Emphasis]

I read somewhere the EU has "promised 1 billion Euros in aide," but there's no action connected to the rhetoric. Seeing all the other destruction caused by NATO as precedent, Afghanistan will get nothing, thus my comment in response to Pepe Escobar's article.

Earlier, Paco provided this following citation of Lavrov's which denotes a policy change:

Q: "What diplomatic efforts are being made to keep NATO at a safe distance from our country?"

A: "Diplomatic efforts are not enough in this situation. We need to respond in other ways that will measure up to the security threats the Russian Federation is facing." [My Emphasis]

I'm thinking Pantsir air defense weapons deployed to Donbass. Earlier at the same presser, Lavrov commented on NATO saying the whole world's in its sights:

"I believe that these are very dangerous games. We will do everything to counter trends of this kind and make sure that all countries understand the danger of moving in this direction."

We need a better descriptive word than game/games because it doesn't denote the extreme seriousness of the potential consequences. Gambit comes to mind but still seems inadequate.


Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2021 23:29 utc | 46

karlof1 #39

It's past time to call out the inhuman Outlaw US Empire and call it what it is in no uncertain terms because there's really a great deal at stake and it's not just about China and Taiwan; it's about the future wellbeing of 7+ Billion humans and the planet's health.

Thank you and agreed the calling out is a desirable thing. I see this calling out as a slow motion exercise that has been in play for the past two decades (2008+ at least).

There is no point going to all out collision warfare over Taiwan imo. The USA will continue to squander $$ and frenetic spleen for years yet and it I feel certain that the art of war is conjunct with the prosperity of peace in China and Russia's mind.

They have the benefit of time and an intelligent and solid scientific community to contribute to their defence and continued growth. I don't believe China will go through a drawn out conflict with the USA but more likely one fast and overwhelming swat of the Taiwan military resistance, if there is any real resistance. But imo that is most unlikely strategy here. More waiting and baiting viz the last little cruise around Japan with a battle fleet.

Time is absolutely on the side of China and Russia emergence and their winning/holding the hearts and minds of neighbours. Not so easy to Russia's west but a warm european home might mute the war drums for the next few months there.

The USA has not engaged any seriously advanced war machine since Iraq and that cost them plenty at home in terms of depleted public solidarity with a war machine. No one is attacking the USA, the crowd grows weary of lost opportunity and crushing financial dysfunction and the continued consequences of $ misallocation. Their heart is no longer in it especially after the retreat from Afghanistan and their continuing embarrassment at being outmaneuvered by the Taliban.

Whereas China has served its public well, has built an integrated trade infrastructure of immense benefit to its neighbours and its homeland. China and Russia will easily outplay this ridiculous empire as the years go by but I seriously doubt there will be a large scale direct kinetic outcome. Certainly the strategies to one up the USA are intensifying on the technology front as well as the public image fronts with space exploration. Even the USA James Webb telescope launch rescheduled yet again for December 2021 could be rapidly eclipsed by the Chinese Xuntian observatory to orbit its recently installed Tiangong space station. By then the Russian contract with the US space station will be ended and the station abandoned according to the US. The productivity of a Russia/China space venture could be astounding.

Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 23:35 utc | 47

re: Iran sanctions
The president doesn't have complete authority over the Iran sanctions. In addition to the Iran sanctions dreamed up by the executive branch, there are also other important congressionally mandated statutes that impose sanctions against Iran which the executive branch is powerless to change.
The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) administers a complex and comprehensive sanctions regime against Iran.
OFAC sanctions targeting Iran are authorized pursuant to many overlapping legal authorities. Iran sanctions are primarily implemented pursuant to the International Emergency and Economic Powers Act. The President annually declares a national emergency with respect to Iran, which authorizes the continued applicability of the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations. There are numerous executive orders that build upon and expand the nature of the hyped-up emergency Iran poses to the national security and foreign policy objectives of the United States.
There are also other important statutes that impose sanctions against Iran. They include:
The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA pdf),
The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010 (CISADA pdf),
The Iran Sanctions Act,
The Iran Freedom and Counter-Proliferation Act of 2012 (IFCA),
The Iran Threat Reduction and Syria Human Rights Act of 2012 (pdf),
The National Defense Authorization Act 2012 (NDAA 2012 pdf), and
The Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000 (TSRA pdf).

Some of these authorities empower the President to utilize national emergency powers to implement Iran sanctions at his discretion. Other authorities obligate OFAC to implement and enforce sanctions against Iran. These are commonly referred to as congressionally mandated OFAC sanctions. Some even authorize OFAC and the President to impose secondary sanctions against third country persons who continue to transact with Iran.

Meanwhile, Iran wants sanctions lifted with guarantees that they were in fact lifted and won't be re-imposed. If the president is to be effective at this he must first understand it all, and it's very complex. If he is to be effective with congressional mandates he must work with congress for change, probably impossible.

Meanwhile the overall situation has changed politically in Iran's neighborhood, in ts favor, while the US is on a downward spiral.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:36 utc | 48

RJB1.5 @ 26:

Pretty likely also that these churches own significant amounts of property, and not all of those properties are stocked with buildings for religious worship and related activities of religious charity. If the churches are registered as charities, their tax breaks will come from their charity status, despite the fact that their annual incomes may exceed the annual incomes of for-profit private businesses.

There was a case way back in 2014 in which a physician was found guilty of felony tax evasion by using a "church" as a tax shelter scam. His example sounds like small fry. I wonder how many televangelists and others like them use their churches as tax shelters, with most of their money coming from supposedly subsidiary activities (social media, livestreaming sermons and seminars, selling books, DVDs or digital content) but which actually constitute their core business in their accounts.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 28 2021 23:38 utc | 49

Don Bacon @43--

We'd have a good discussion on that issue if we could sit down and chat. I've always found it curious that the South didn't frame its move to secede as gaining independence, perhaps because of the clear contradiction that it sought to continue slavery. I'd say Ukraine is a very different case--hell, most of them are unique except for the fact of Outlaw interference/causation, which is the point being aimed at.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2021 23:41 utc | 50

fnord | Oct 28 2021 19:42 utc | 24


Dr. Ruben on the FDA panel: “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes.”
You ok with that?

Yes, and in fact, this is how we found out the vaccines were safe and efficacious among adults to begin with. We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it's possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent.

We didn't know a lot of things were bad until we found out the hard way. Dr. Ruben is correct with his Vonnegutian "so it goes."

The 1986 law that exempts vaccine manufacturers from liability requires safety tests be conducted every two years:


42 U.S. Code § 300aa–27 - Mandate for safer childhood vaccines

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-27

(a)General rule
In the administration of this part and other pertinent laws under the jurisdiction of the Secretary, the Secretary shall—

(1)promote the development of childhood vaccines that result in fewer and less serious adverse reactions than those vaccines on the market on December 22, 1987, and promote the refinement of such vaccines, and

(2)make or assure improvements in, and otherwise use the authorities of the Secretary with respect to, the licensing, manufacturing, processing, testing, labeling, warning, use instructions, distribution, storage, administration, field surveillance, adverse reaction reporting, and recall of reactogenic lots or batches, of vaccines, and research on vaccines, in order to reduce the risks of adverse reactions to vaccines.

(b)Task force

(1)The Secretary shall establish a task force on safer childhood vaccines which shall consist of the Director of the National Institutes of Health, the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and the Director of the Centers for Disease Control.

(2)The Director of the National Institutes of Health shall serve as chairman of the task force.

(3)In consultation with the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines, the task force shall prepare recommendations to the Secretary concerning implementation of the requirements of subsection (a).

(c)Report

Within 2 years after December 22, 1987, and periodically thereafter, the Secretary shall prepare and transmit to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate a report describing the actions taken pursuant to subsection (a) during the preceding 2-year period.

(July 1, 1944, ch. 373, title XXI, § 2127, as added Pub. L. 99–660, title III, § 311(a), Nov. 14, 1986, 100 Stat. 3777; amended Pub. L. 100–203, title IV, § 4302(b)(1), Dec. 22, 1987, 101 Stat. 1330–221; Pub. L. 101–239, title VI, § 6601(q), Dec. 19, 1989, 103 Stat. 2292.)

If these tests were actually conducted there would now be 35+ year record of . . .the licensing, manufacturing, processing, testing, labeling, warning, use instructions, distribution, storage, administration, field surveillance, adverse reaction reporting, and recall of reactogenic lots or batches, of vaccines, and research on vaccines, in order to reduce the risks of adverse reactions to vaccines." which would provide much needed assurance of vaccine safety.

Do these reports exist? Have you (or anyone else) seen these reports? If so, please post links to them so we can all peruse how well this legal requirement has been obeyed. We needn't rely on Dr. Ruben et al for assurances that call for unnecessary risk taking with vaccines when so much data that is legally mandated is supposedly available to weigh the risks carefully.


Posted by: pogohere | Oct 28 2021 23:46 utc | 51

Stripes
Taiwan’s president confident of US defense, confirms American troop presence

Taiwan’s president confirmed the presence of a small contingent of U.S. troops on the island in an interview aired Thursday by CNN that said the “threat from China is increasing every day.”
President Tsai Ing-wen told the broadcaster she’s confident the United States would come to the island’s defense if China tried to invade.
“I do have faith given the long-term relationship that we have with the U.S. and also the support of the people of the U.S. as well as the Congress,” she said. “The administration has been very helpful.” . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:47 utc | 52

@ 10 oldhippie... thanks for sharing your personal experience.. it is very discouraging... it is amazing how easily people are manipulated into thinking a particular way, in spite of the positive personal experiences they've had with you... i am sorry to hear of all that.. i did find the video fairly thought provoking.. the part about 30% don't go along, 35% go along and 30% go along, but just to go along... what i think is interesting in this is the porous nature of it all where the 30% that are just going along even if they don't agree with it, can change their minds on it all.. well, i found the whole conversation quite interesting, although i have never studied totalitarianism, or watched videos on it for that matter... mass psychology... i haven't studied it in any academic way, but just on a very personal level... people are very easily influenced and often times it is based on ignorance, as opposed to knowledge or wisdom...

the other part of the video that i related to was the idea that people are spending way too much time inside technology, and not enough in nature.. that really resonates with me as i think it is true and my observation on people in general... most people seem to live in cities and are drawn to crowds.. i am just rambling now.. i hope things work out for you in all the connections with your circle of friends.. thanks for chiming in..

@ 27 Id.... thanks... yes, i think you are right... they basically say that in a round about way... get away from the technology and into nature... but the tech is addictive - and we are all tech addicts now - worse then crack addicts if truth be told...

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2021 0:24 utc | 53

Its about time that dying empire took on China instead of beating up small countries because it can.

To me, this means we are moving toward closure/resolution of the civilization war I have been saying we are in between public/private finance core to the social contract.


I don't what the precipitating event/factor will be that brings the global economies into partial or total arrest but it seems closer and more likely than ever before. What is the public fear factor going to be used to do?

Interesting times indeed. One scenario is that the economies of the West crash and China/Russia and other carry on without crashing also...quite possible, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 0:33 utc | 54

Don Bacon #47

Thank you for that bucket list of anti-Iran Congressional and Presidential sanctions provisions.

That seems to confirm the fact that the USA is not capable of making let alone enforcing any agreement at any point in time. The beast speaks with forked tongue as many Amerindians have concluded.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 1:05 utc | 55

So Putin recently said a ‘severe food crises’ is expected in the near future…. Thoughts?

Posted by: Hungry | Oct 29 2021 1:20 utc | 56

With respect to Taiwan, I suspect that the US government wants to goad China into military action against Taiwan after it declares independence, then sit back and allow China to take it uncontested. Sure the US would be embarrassed by the fall of Taiwan (just as they were embarrassed by the fall of Afghanistan). But they could then use the forcible reintegration of Taiwan as a casus belli for a new Cold War with China, demanding that the other Western states immediately brake their economic and political ties with China. Biden would be an ideal patsy to be blamed for the "Fall of Taiwan" and the US would be able to force international manufacturing back into the US (at least for the states that follow the US into its' league of isolation). Realistically speaking, the US is in no position to militarily (or even economically) fight China while also importing 40% of all consumer goods from China. The US would need to break the economic ties first, reindustrialize its economy for domestic needs, then sally forth to confront China (that would take at least 10yrs). The US needs a catalytic event to push them into the position of being able to break those relationships with China before it can confront China, a Taiwan crisis might be that event

Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2021 1:27 utc | 57

Everything you read about the hand wringing pure intentions of the USA to improve the JCPOA is BS. Every day in every way the USA bows to its dominator. I have little hope that it is even capable of whimpering let alone standing up for the american people.

Iran for its part insisted that the [JCPOA] agreement did not need any additional caveats and should be a return to the status quo ante, particularly when Blinken and his team made clear that they were thinking of a ban on Iranian ballistic missile development as well as negotiations to end Tehran’s alleged “interference” in the politics of the region. The interference presumably referred to Iranian support of the Palestinians as well as its role in Syria and Yemen, all of which had earned the hostility of American “friends” Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Israel inevitably stirred the pot by sending a stream of senior officials, to include Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, Defense Minister Benny Gantz and Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to discuss “the Iranian threat” with Biden and his top officials. Lapid made clear that Israel “reserves the right to act at any given moment, in any way… We know there are moments when nations must use force to protect the world from evil.” And to be sure, Biden, like Trump, has also made his true sentiments clear by surrounding himself with Zionists. Blinken, Wendy Sherman and Victoria Nuland have filled the three top slots at State Department, all are Jewish and all strong on Israel. Nuland is a leading neocon. And pending is the appointment of Barbara Leaf, who has been nominated Assistant Secretary to head the State Department’s Near East region. She is currently the Ruth and Sid Lapidus Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), which is an AIPAC spin off and a major component in the Israel Lobby. That means that a member in good standing of the Israel Lobby would serve as the State Department official overseeing American policy in the Middle East.

At the Pentagon one finds a malleable General Mark Milley, always happy to meet his Israeli counterparts, and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, an affirmative action promotion who likewise has become adept at parroting the line “Israel has a right to defend itself.” And need one mention ardent self-declared Zionists at the top level of the Democratic Party, to include Biden himself, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and, of course, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer?

The rigid harness that has been fastened to the USA economy and political class has few weaknesses. It has been meticulously woven for the past century (at least) and will not be easily deconstructed or recycled into some vehicle of freedom and civil prosperity. Containment is one most likely strategy for the outsiders and I see that as being carefully applied in many lands. If the nations of Europe can be weaned off their disabling addiction to the USA through the present enticements from Russia and China models of capitalism, there is hope for a sane world.

The next few months will see the emergence of a German government with scope and then in April 2022 a French opportunity for change. Perhaps the commencement of a transformation could emerge but it will not be easy given the meticulous entrapment that has been developed by the oligarchy and its fellow travellers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 1:32 utc | 58

in line at the local convenience, i was barely paying attention when ESPN on the tellie overhead said something about "the NASCAR Races"...and not being fully woke i wondered if this was a new way to refer to white people? the NASCAR races?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 29 2021 1:43 utc | 59

DG @ 12
Reminds me of Pelosi and her "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it".
Yeah, the goosestepping march towards totalitarianism and medical apartheid is scary. And it's the traditional "liberals" who are saluting and supporting it.
There is a bigger agenda, though. Max Blumenthal is all over it. Thanks to Jimmy Dore for having him speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkwv2LhoeN4

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 29 2021 1:50 utc | 60

DG | Oct 28 2021 18:39 utc | 20

Thanks for directing our attention to Dr. Ruben's comments. I have located the video of the meeting wherein he made the statements you cited:

Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee– 10/26/2021

[Rubin @ 6:50-6:52:54; ; vid rolling transcript: 411:00 - 412:56]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laaL0_xKmmA&t=6s

My transcript of Rubin's comments are substantially the same as yours, with a few minor edits:

This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … At least by immuno bridging and even by some clinical data, some early clinical data. And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t the same as it is in older patients.

For me I think it’s going to revolve around two questions: First, whether there is going to be a use for this vaccine in this age group and then how the decision gets made and use it within this age group.

I think what sways me here is a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use it though I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not our question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.

But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr.[Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr.[Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like the rotavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it.

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 29 2021 1:52 utc | 61

Hi fellow barflies, I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter :

Given the turbulence and uncertainty of the global economic system and its future, what should a person do, financially ?

My Mum and stepfather are old folks with RRSP’s and a mostly paid-off house mortgage, and an old car. We’re in Canada.

Please advise ! IMO probably many of us could use advice on this.

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 2:04 utc | 62

On tw election 2020

FUKUS

Oh, What a Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice to Deceive

As late as 2018, tw overwhelmingly favored keeping the status quo .
Those who reckoned cross straits relations was moving too slow and those who favor eventual unification were going up exponentially.

March 2019,
FUKUS trained violent agent provocateurs took to the streets .

Pelosi gloated ,

What a beautiful sight to behold

Nov 19
unclesham's Oz toadies trotted out a 'defected commie spy', Wang Li Qiang, gave him an hr long tv interview, where Wang claimed he's sent to tw to help the opp candidate Han Guo Yu beat Tsai.

12/2019
SARS 2 hit China.
CIA mighty wurlitzer broadcast to the world 24/7,

China is killing us with this wuflu

pssst...
Hey tw, is this the kind of motherland u want to go back to ?

These avalanche of fear porn worked like a charm.

tw election jan 20
The hitherto immensely popular Han GUo YU was defeated 57/38 %, not exactly a rout.

Without FUKUS shenanigans, Han could very well kick out Tsai.

PS
Dont laugh...Im marked

HOme and office network hacked

Bank transactions interrupted/

Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2021 2:10 utc | 63

@Featherless -- Good for you to remain wary of world developments and looking out for your folks, but probably would advise against taking financial advice from the internet.

Posted by: ptb | Oct 29 2021 2:13 utc | 64

@kadath 56
‌the premise of your theory is that the elites are plotting to bring manufacturing back to th US. there is no evidence for that, and no money to be made from such. the trends that accelerated from the 90s will not stop till they reach their conclusion. there is no plan, not until the inevitable collapse forces new planning to materialize.

Posted by: mastameta | Oct 29 2021 2:31 utc | 65

On financial advice:

Warren Buffett’s stock portfolio ballooned to a value of $281.17 billion by the end of 2020. Someone must have noticed that Buffett sold out of American Airlines (AAL), United Airlines (UAL), Delta Air Lines (DAL) and Southwest Airlines (LUV) in the first quarter of 2020, even before the pandemic totally shut down travel. He started buying into tech, which was not previously a pattern for him. Speaking of tech, Google and Microsoft saw bonanza profits during the pandemic, which put Sergey Brin, Larry Page, and Bill Gates in the quest to become the world’s first trillionaires alongside Buffett, Bezos, and dark horse leader Elon Musk. Wait a minute, though. None of these names are old money. And how the hell did Elon Musk amass $250 billion dollars so fast? With stock. You know, the air that all the well-to-do gamble their money on. More to the point, how does an evil genius multi trillionaire camouflage himself? In plain sight, surrounded by little billionaires, of course.

Now I am not suggesting you should follow Buffett but you could at least read this to get a glimpse of the activities of his kind.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 2:32 utc | 66

@61 Featherless

Don't take this as flippant, but unfortunately, the correct answer - "Move to China" - is probably not a feasible thing.

~~

Well, they're in Canada so I suppose this means decent health care. They have equity in their house - for most of us, the only wealth we own - they should shepherd it and not jeopardize it. I assume the acronym refers to a state pension income.

DO take advice from the Internet - on how to plant a garden, how to survive the failure of government and other support systems to provide for them.

Build a stash of reserve money to survive interruptions in income.

Get as low to the ground as possible, by which I mean not exposed to debt or payment agreements that may be stressed by income interruptions.

Plan to age in place. Renovate accordingly. Or consider downsizing in order to be absolutely debt-free, and/or to be in a house more suited than their current one for aging, if this applies.

Open up to the concept of multi-generational living. It's a large trend in the US and people report good things from it. If three or four generations of family live in the same home - or sell their individual homes to buy a more suitable place together for this - they may stand together better. The older teach the young, the younger assist the old. When society's promises of support collapse from their own hollowness, then the age-old sanctuary of "family-first" must take over.

Study legal arrangements for joint ownership of property in such a case. Study taxes on conjoined income, inheritance, wills, living wills, etc...whatever works in Canada.

Begin to prepare for things not going along at the same level of comfort, begin to plan for tighter margins, lowered levels of everything, etc. Make real plans and contingency arrangements - this is NOT despair, this is working the problem and making solutions.

And they have a vote, one assumes, and an existence within the local community. Remember that individuals don't survive crises, communities do. And I have heard it said also that the large majority of life experience that happens to a person occurs through the local system of governance rather than the national.

In other words, your parents can be aware and perhaps active in their own community to improve the quality of life, and perhaps to raise the level of political awareness, both locally and nationally. A local network is both social and productive - remember that the value of a network increases exponentially as network size increases - the geeks here can remind us what that Law is called.

And maybe people start trading directly with each other, and a community helps itself and all its members.

We are very small, we can only do our part, but our part, when done, can move mountains because there are very many of us small ones. We must simply follow the wise precepts.

~~

Honestly, the questions you ask, and the quandaries you evoke, are being considered by countless people in the west - I become increasingly sure of this, especially as their pondering bursts into written form as yours has in the discussion thread.

~~

Oh, and if they watch television, make sure they throw it away and put a true source of narrative in place. The Internet is a much more substantial place - remember, biology teaches that diversity means survival, while specialization means extinction.

And cooperation yields vastly higher return than competition.

Etc.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2021 2:45 utc | 67

@ Kadath 56
Biden would be an ideal patsy to be blamed for the "Fall of Taiwan"

I know he didn't intend it, but Kadath jiggled my memory about a past situation about fifty years years ago when the question "should Red China be . . ." whatever, and then when "Red China" was admitted to the UN the mantra was: Who lost China?. . .as if we ever owned it. But mark my words, it will happen again as . . .Who lost Taiwan?. .Biden?. . . It will be political heaven for some.

Getting back to Kadath, . . . The US would need to break the economic ties first, reindustrialize its economy for domestic needs, then sally forth to confront China (that would take at least 10yrs). . . .now that would be a challenge, that reindustrialize thing. That "giant sucking sound" that Ross Perot spoke of thirty years ago seems rather permanent to me. How many of you young folks want a factory job? Actually make things?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2021 2:47 utc | 68

Breaking the economic ties between USA and China could prove more injurious to the USA than China. Variable Interest Equities might be the elephant that stands on the USA foot.

“U.S. investors have very shaky legal rights to the underlying assets of VIE-structured companies because in reality, they are holding shares of a shell company with no intrinsic value or operations, that only mirrors the performance and value of a domestic Chinese company. In the event of a delisting or an undervalued take-private deal, it is unclear what recourse is available to U.S. shareholders of Chinese companies with VIE structures. This past July, SEC Chair Gary Gensler introduced new guidance seeking VIE-related disclosures from all China-based operating companies seeking to issue securities, and to conduct targeted additional filing reviews for companies with significant China-based operations. These enhanced disclosure requirements have not yet, but should be, codified as an amendment to the Securities Act.”

And then if that is insufficient to disturb your confidence in wall street the perhaps a prayer from Morgan Stanley, Evergrande's auditor will improve your outlook. Going forward that is:/

Karen Sutter, a Specialist in Asian Trade and Finance at the Congressional Research Service, told Subcommittee members the following about Evergrande’s accounting:

“Counting unbuilt and unsold properties and interest payments as assets. About 60% of the firm’s assets are unbuilt and unsold properties, and the firm counts loan interest payments as assets. This inflates the firm’s position and increases risks if property values fall…

“Using previously-financed deals as collateral for new loans. This practice allowed the firm to accumulate debt and become leveraged…

“Investing in unrelated sectors beyond the core business. Some Chinese firms use insurance, trust, and wealth management businesses to earn higher returns and invest offshore. The Shenzhen government is investigating Evergrande’s insurance business.

“Use of complex offshore structures tied to the CEO. Evergrande uses overlapping contracts and shareholding to facilitate financial flows that make it difficult to assess liabilities. The CEO and his family reportedly hold a large share of the firm’s offshore debt.”

Wallstreetonparade is often a sobering site to consider. Bravo to that indefatigable duo of fine reporters.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 3:02 utc | 69

@ Grieved 66
. . .all good advice, and
re: Build a stash of reserve money to survive interruptions in income.
Invest via mutual funds or some way in the stock market, which may be abhorrent to some but it does recognize reality. If we can't change the system then we can take advantage of it and benefit from it.

Then I would add one item to G's excellent list--get as close to nature as you can. Nature doesn't have positions, it doesn't give any opinions, it is what it is and no BS. Nature is terrain, and lakes, and birds, and animals, and trees and flowers -- it's all good, and amazing, and helpful to our mental and physical health whenever we have proximity to it. Mainly it gets us away from money to recognize things that really matter.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2021 3:04 utc | 70

ooops correction to the above post:

"And then if that is insufficient to disturb your confidence in wall street the perhaps a prayer from Morgan Stanley, Evergrande's auditor will improve your outlook."

should read: Price Waterhouse Cooper. But birds of a feather etc.

Here is the bad news that was identified back in 2012 and appears to have been 'overlooked' as they say in the trade.

In 2012, short seller Citron Research released a 57-page report alleging fraudulent accounting at China Evergrande Group, the now teetering Chinese property development conglomerate that is causing severe anxiety in global markets. After spelling out six specific forms of accounting fraud that it believed to be taking place, the Citron report noted the following: “Meanwhile, Evergrande’s auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers (Hong Kong office) has continued to provide an unqualified opinion.”

YES that is 2012!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 3:19 utc | 71

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 2:04 utc | 61

I am not qualified or legally allowed to give financial advice. If I were in their position I would first pay off the mortgage, establish a vegetable garden and study critical and EV battery minerals. Most developed countries have a critical minerals list. Part of the deal with AUKUS is the empire and other captive nations want access to Australia's rare earth and critical minerals.

Canada has the Thomson fold belt, plenty of nickel, PGE's, outstanding gold mines and the TSX. Look for some wildcat explorers looking for 'near-ology' in established terrains. Small investments even in penny dreadfuls can be put away and who knows.

I recommend the eye opening 2020 book translated from French, 'The Rare Metals War' by Guillaume Pitron. For example the worlds tin supply will last between 6 to 17 years. As a Canadian you may be able to read the original!

Most of the big industrials are rigged. Look for the new economy, governments are throwing public money at it.Stay away from bitcoin or things you don't fully understand. The critical factor in mining is water and port access. The world is running out of resources. Read Malthus and Klaus Schwab or hang out at Davos for some tips.

Grieved and others gave some good suggestions. Good luck.

Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 3:54 utc | 72

@ Featherless and others,

It may be of interest for some barflies to know Australia and China were one supercontinent called Rodinia 800 million years ago.

This will probably come a surprise to the PM, Pastor Morrison as most likely he's a 'world is 6,000 year old' happy clappy, sez the bible freak.

This accounts for the huge mineral deposits at Jinchuan and Lengshuiqing in China. These are related to the deposits in Broken Hill in Australia. [Mad Max country]

Broken Hill begat Broken Hill Proprietary, the worlds largest mining company. Now other miners are re discovering this region for cobalt, PGE's, and other minerals.

The below geological description and map [figure3] of the supercontinent explains the link. Impact is an amazing miner with new discoveries all over Australia.

https://www.impactminerals.com.au/site/projects/broken-hill-project-nsw

Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 4:37 utc | 73

mastameta @64,

"premise of your theory is that the elites are plotting to bring manufacturing back to the US. there is no evidence for that, and no money to be made from such". It's important to remember that "money" is just a tool of exchange used to represent the collective human labour (productively) that went into creating the underlining wealth the money represents. The US elite has gotten used to money printing and leveraging existing assets to create fictitious wealth and in doing so they have incorrectly conflated money with productive wealth (which has now reached the latest nadir of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)). The problem facing the US is that there are no longer any countries that are wealthy enough and weak enough that they can continue to pillage to support their financialized economy, they have entered the diminishing returns phase of their current economic structure and since their economic structure is parasitic (reliant on stealing the economic surplus of states that do create wealth) they have a crisis, they NEED to pillage the economic wealth of China and Russia in order to sustain themselves. However China and Russia are too strong and too interwoven into the Western World economy, so they will need to expel them from the Western Economies first.

By necessity, they will need to move wealth production away from China, possibly to India, but more likely back into the West (and just like NATO gear being 80% manufactured in the US, the lions share of this new productively will go to the US). However, this is not being done out of the goodness of their black hearts, but as a desperation move to consolidate economic production for an all or nothing push against China and Russia. What we in the Western world can expect to see when production comes back is the following

1 - elimination of Labour unions and employment protections: This is be sold as a necessary and "temporary" sacrifice to get America back on its feet, we'll see more "economic free trade zones" within the Western world where labour laws are looser.

2 - acceleration of the growth of national security: The need to prevent worker opposition to the further erosion of labour protections will result in the further growth of National security state to fight "domestic extremism"

3 - a push to expand government benefits: as living standards fall within the Western world, the governments will expand government aid to the swelling ranks of the working poor (again, the WORKING poor), however these miserly benefits will only ensure a bare minimum standard of survival as they will constantly lose ground to rapidly rising inflation. Additionally, the true purpose of these "benefits" will not be the well-being of claimants, but as an indirect subsidy to low wage businesses to keep profits high (i.e. less need to raise wages in an inflationary environment)

the eventual goal of this will be extract a huge surplus wealth from the productive labour of the working classes, which can then be financialized to pay for a big foreign policy push into Eurasia to try and breakup Eurasian economic integration via the Belt and Road initiative. Allowing the US and other western countries to buy up key industries under favourable terms to restore the post-1989 Washington consensus.

Ultimately, I believe this plan will die, one way or another, very early. As I previously said this would take at least 10 yrs and the US seems unable to stick to any plan for more than 3 months at a time. however I believe all three of my points will take effect to varying degrees, over the next 2 years. The fatal flaw with the US goal of separating economically from China is that there was a huge amount of corruption involved in the decision to start shipping all of the US's manufacturing base to China in the 1990s and cutting China out of the world economy will not eliminate the corruption within the US political and Economic elite that led to the offshoring of the economy in the first place. Cutting China out, then consoling the US economic elite by, effectively, bribing them with a huge anti-labour legislative and economic push. Will simply encourage those elite economic figures to be even more corrupt and ruthless (and thus less organized and efficient for grand foreign adventures). Rather than risk their newly expanded wealth with a risky foreign campaign, I believe the Economic elite will do a rehash of the 1990s rape of Russia, but this time upon the US citizenry, focusing on expanding their own personal influence and wealth within the US, rather than a consolidated block moving against China and Russia. Time will tell

Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2021 4:44 utc | 74

Speaking of drugs with not properly established properties:

Did Sputnik V eventually pass it's WHO examination which would make it eligible for participation in Covax? The last thing I heard was RT reportimg that the process had supposedly in essence been successfully completed with just a few forms still missing. That was a couple of weaks ago.

Meanwhile the Corona situation in Russia is escalating. Many Russians refuse to take the unproven Russian vaccine and the Russian government refuses to import proven vaccines from abroad because of geopolitical considerations.

Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 4:45 utc | 75

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2021 2:45 utc | 66

“And cooperation yields vastly higher return than competition. Etc.”

Yes, etc., etc! I appreciate your POV, Grieved. Your post is rich and that little statement is huge. It’s really the nut of everything we’re talking about regarding the future of humans on this planet.
I watched this last night and got such a warm feeling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfKkuZmlx6U
(Now please barflies, don’t go off on a bunch of Amish tangents, stay focused on the point of cooperation being key.)


Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2021 18:34 utc | 18

“China provides bullet-trains. The West provides bullets, but no trains.”
Right on I say, grinning.

Thanks for those links. Very interesting. Here’s a stark contrast:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-10-08/california-high-speed-rail-faces-new-cost-overruns.
They can’t even get a track put down on sea-level flatland in California. Over-runs but no runs.

I’m betting trains beat bullets.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 29 2021 4:58 utc | 76

Below is a raw link to Xinhuanet that is a 3 minute somewhat musical video about Covid responses by America and China.....quite creative but not sure of audience and results.

http://www.news.cn/english/2021-10/17/c_1310251172.htm

Its in english with subtitles....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 4:58 utc | 77

Below is a Xinhuanet posting of interest

"
BEIJING, Oct. 29 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping will address the 16th Group of 20 (G20) Leaders' Summit via video link, which will be held from Oct. 30 to 31, at the invitation of Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying announced Friday.
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 5:00 utc | 78

It just came to me that one of the reasons for beating on China is to upset their coming Olympics hosting....sigh

Lets hope some countries of the world can rise above the pettiness of dying empire

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2021 5:27 utc | 79

Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 4:45 utc | 74

Your usual slimy and crooked way of laying out situations. Russians do not want to take any vaccine, but most of all mRNA vaccines, how about we in the west that do not want to take mRNA vaccines? No Chinese or Cuban or Russian vaccines available, take the mRNA or shut up. Oh yes, the WHO, another great institution bought and sold by the "philanthropers".

Gates Foundation Donations to WHO Nearly Match Those From U.S. Government

The thirst for profit goes further in spite of the proles croaking, foreign vaccines are not recognized for travel purposes forcing people with links, businesses or studies in the west to take the genetic shots or stay home. I guess whoever motivates you or employs you thinks you're a smooth operator when you’re so transparent that the sight is repulsive.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 29 2021 6:07 utc | 80

@79 Paco
Take Astra-Zeneca or Johnson&Johnsen if you life in a Western country and distrust the mRNA vaccines. Astra-Zeneca uses the same technology as Sputnik V.

Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 6:17 utc | 81

Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 6:17 utc | 80

Another smoothy that won't go through, AstraZeneca is called the chimp vaccine in Russia with good reason if you're so well informed about vaccines. Its use in the first world was stopped due to its deadly results, then with "philanthropy" all the stocks were dumped on the third world. Your "philanthroper" country is the leader in the Covid race to hell, so much for its mRNA's. I'd much prefer not even addressing your depositions, but at times the stench is so strong that I cannot avoid to "pince" my nose and lose my precious time.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 29 2021 6:43 utc | 82

No one is attacking the USA,
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2021 23:35 utc | 46

This is a lie!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2021 6:49 utc | 83

Given we are at a whisky bar, could some barflies nominate their favourite tipple please?

Call me Dolly Paton, [I like both kinds of music], I confess, I have no particular favourites.

Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2021 7:23 utc | 84


Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 28 2021 23:47 utc | 51
“I do have faith given the long-term relationship that we have with the U.S. and also the support of the people of the U.S. as well as the Congress,” she said. “The administration has been very helpful.” . . .here

She claims the support of the US people. What is the situation with respect to the support of the resident Taiwainese?

I recognize she is an elected head of government. But any cursory review of "democratic elections" quickly demonstrates the fact that these are easily manipulated (see the 35th President of the United States, the 46th President of the United States, possibly others).

It is also known that a significant number of Taiwainese have relocated to the mainland due to the higher salaries on offer for persons with advanced technical knowledge and skills.

It is also known that the US has a practice of suborning foreign politicians to ensure they take positions amenable to US interests and willingly place such foreign interests ahead of those their own citizenry.

Until the 1970s, the military's primary mission was to retake mainland China. From what I am able to learn, Taiwan makes military service mandatory for all males once they reach the age of 18. The period of service is 4 months. Given it takes a minimum of 3 months to adapt to basic military routine, I cannot see a 4 month period of service imparting any significant degree of military skills. Any skills obtained in 4 months would be largely atrophied / forgotten in 4 months. According to reports the ROC military is declining in size and faces increasing problems as potential recruits are being attracted to higher wage employment of the mainland.

The situation in Taiwan is therefore understood to be totally FUBAR. My sense of the situation is that what we encounter in the MSM is divorced from actual reality. Does anyone in the bar have any ground truth with respect to the views of the average Taiwanese with regards re-unification with the mainland?

干杯!

Posted by: Sushi | Oct 29 2021 8:30 utc | 85

@81 Paco
Non-mRNA vaccines have been phased out in developed countries because mRNA vaccines turned out to be more efficient. For developing countries mRNA vaccines are not an option, though, because of their cool storage requirements.

Serious side-effects are sightly more frequent with AZ and J&J than with mRNA vaccines. This is most probably the case with Sputnik V, too.

Posted by: m | Oct 29 2021 8:52 utc | 86

MichaelJ @ 72 .. posted:
Stephanie Brewer, the Mexico director at the Washington Office on Latin America, said the new evidence shows how often in Mexico “organized crime is comprised of both state and non-state actors.”

 “state tolerance and collusion—seen in this case in its most brutal and extreme form, where corrupt police are carrying out the gravest human rights violations that exist.”

<= What is the difference between “state tolerance and collusion” and “GPPP”? Government Private Partnership Programs? The former uses a set of words that describe the truth of the evil in a situation, the later inverts the evil in the situation into a deceptive set of words, that promote the benefits of evil. A primary indicator of propaganda is inversion.. here the evil implicated in the set of words “state tolerance and criminal private party collusion” inverts into a set of words “GPPP” which promise a benefit to the residences of the governed nation state when in fact, the GPPP will extract the remaining wealth from the governed.

Karlof1 @ 35 posted relative to Afghanistan “the international terrorist groups that have become entrenched in Afghanistan and are being manipulated from the outside – <= i think it is clear<= controlling a foreign country involves <=paying, supporting and using terrorist to manipulate economic advantage, to deny domestic activity <= access to produce, serve or supply its customers, and also to produce<= political outcomes that make the citizens of the invaded country into exploited and human right deprived victims.

I like the label <=“Terrorist Foreign Legion [TFL]” to describe the GPPPs Oligarchs often use, to help them manage their global monopolies.

Don Bacon @ 47 < your post is a major contribution to the knowledge needed to understand what is happening.. thank you..

Uncle Tungsten @ 68.. If Wall Street Failed, most Americans would rejoice.. the crisis would bring the USA governed Americans together. Domestic American industries and domestic agricultural and farm production would be restarted on American soil and GMO free production would feed Americans.

Re-industrialization would happen I believe, no matter the financial losses. Business would once again be conducted on a handshake. Personal reputation [the Walton's for example] would be more valuable than cash and everyone would work to find a way to avoid the corruption of global digital coinage and the globalist empire that promotes such folly. Talent, effort, honesty and results, not race, corruption, wealth, IQ, formal education, government mandate, or family ties would determine the movers and shakers. In the society I grew up in, there were no leaders, just movers and shakers.

Posted by: snake | Oct 29 2021 8:56 utc | 87

Piotr Berman #82

Thank you :)) I needed that distraction.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 29 2021 9:05 utc | 88

So Putin recently said a ‘severe food crises’ is expected in the near future…. Thoughts?

Posted by: Hungry | Oct 29 2021 1:20 utc | 55

Bet on it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 29 2021 9:21 utc | 89

Sushi | 14
“Given that it takes 5 to 7 years to verify the safety of any new vaccine, on what date will a vaccine targeting a virus not recognized, or known to humankind until January 2020, be determined to be safe?”

Hm, December 27, 2020? 4 and a half months into the phase-III trials? Apparently…

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fnord | 24
“We have no reason, besides caution and prudence, to believe that the vaccines would be more harmful in a pediatric setting, and it's possible to be overly cautious and overly prudent.”

To me there IS reason to believe the vaccines could be more harmful to children. That’s because younger people have many more ACE2 receptors throughout their bodies than older people. We know that the vaccines induce the production of spike proteins, which in turn target ACE2 receptors.

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m | 85

If by more efficient you mean cheaper to produce and pricier to buy, I agree.
As for the side-effects, how can there be a significant difference, when in fact the final component of the mechanism of action is exactly the same? Meaning the production of spike proteins as a result of viral-vector as well as mRNA vaccines.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 29 2021 9:43 utc | 90

Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2021 6:49 utc | 82

If you think tomatoes are scary, you have never experienced the terror of giant bunnies. Night of the Lepus

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2021 11:24 utc | 91

Thank you for your input. I was specifically wondering if - in prevision of the new economic context - it would be better or not, to cash in RRSPs (retirement investment taxed upon withdrawal) to pay off the house mortgage, get a newer car or fix up the old one, and transfer investments to the Chinese cryptocurrency, which should take less of a drop than the wall street based western investments.

Thoughts ?

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 29 2021 11:40 utc | 92

A quick scan and to the photos of the week at TASS brought a new issue to my attention: dengue fever outbreak in Pakistan. (I was lured in by the photo of the lemur with his head stuck in a jack o’lantern. Who can resist that??)

According to the government of Pakistan, on Sept. 30, “Based on the analysis, the environment will be conducive in October 2021 for dengue spread and it is predicted that it may outbreak particularly in eight major cities of Pakistan…” That is brutal on top of Covid, isn’t it? Based on a quick view of google-linked news reports, the government seems to have a good handle on it. Might make Pakistan more vulnerable to external pressure, though?

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 29 2021 11:58 utc | 93

Paco @ 81

Astra Zeneca is owned by Wallenberg family. Might as well take the Henry Kissinger vaccine or the Jeffrey Dahmer vaccine.

Oh. Moderna is the Jeffrey Epstein vaccine. And also the DARPA vaccine. People trust this crap.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2021 12:06 utc | 94

CBC/News Network is at it in Canada again. Hyping a new episode of "Marketplace" which focuses on Xinjiang "forced Uyghur labour" employed in making tomato products (paste, ketchup, etc.,) sold in Canada.

Their expert - the Sinophobic Adrian Zenz.

Posted by: spudski | Oct 29 2021 12:08 utc | 95

Posted by: Sushi | Oct 29 2021 8:30 utc | 84

From what I am able to learn, Taiwan makes military service mandatory for all males once they reach the age of 18.

It ended in 2018 or 2019 if I remember correctly

Also Taiwan spends only 2% of its GDP on defence. Compare this with 3.4% USA, and 5.6% Israel.

From these two figures, it seems clear to me Taiwan is not really serious about defending itself against the PLA. But Tsai Ingwen will do what politicians do and spew BS to gain support.

You know, Socrates was right about democracy inevitably selecting demagogues as rulers.

Posted by: littlereddot | Oct 29 2021 12:10 utc | 96

@oldhippie 11
The A.30 variant is still not widespread nor increasing its spread very fast. So there doesn't seem a need yet to see it as a threat.

https://www.rt.com/news/538695-coronavirus-variant-vaccine-antibodies/

Posted by: Wim | Oct 29 2021 12:11 utc | 97

China doesn't need to invade Taiwan

I am toying with this idea that if Taiwan does declare independence, China would not even need to invade Taiwan.

China can say that she is enforcing the One China Policy and territorial sovereignty. i.e. all Taiwan's airspace and waters are also China's.

China then requires all shipping and air transport to be inspected at a mainland port/airport for weapons etc before allowed to go on to Taiwan.

There will be no starvation or undue interruption to economic activities, just a bit of slowdown in the initial period for shipping/transport schedules to be readjusted.

There will be a whimper or two from the international community, but no real outrage and casus belli.

Could this be one reason why China is building aircraft carriers in a hurry?

Any thoughts?

Posted by: littlereddot | Oct 29 2021 12:27 utc | 98

A UK nuclear sub has just turned up in Perth, West Australia, at the submarine base. They are going to spend a billion dollars expanding the navy port on Garden Island to host US, UK, and Aus(???) nuclear submarines so they can blockade China.

The Aussie politicians are now playing 'good cop, bad cop', with one saying we should protect Taiwan from China, and another saying no, no, we want peace (for another five minutes!)

Perth will now be a first strike target in the event of a war.

Brilliant, let's build a military base on the edge of a major city! Didn't Liverpool discover that this was not a good idea, during WW2?

Sydney will be happy to sacrifice Perth to a first strike, so long as the Canberra Politicians have a bunker to drink their chardonnay in! 3000Kms will make an admirable nuclear safe zone for the east coasters!

Posted by: Ric G | Oct 29 2021 12:29 utc | 99

In reading Zakharova’s comments from her update on the 28th, I noted this one statement which I think has broader meaning than in the immediate context: “We would like to remind those that have forgotten that we already have a code of rules.” In years past, the Saker has written about this - an unpublished code between the two sides in the former Cold War. I speculate that this may be an indirect reference by her to that code of rules.

Nov. 9, Mr. Lavrov meets with the Holy See Secretary for Relations with States in Moscow. Curious. “Of course, the parties also plan to discuss topical international matters.” Hmm.

There is a direct message to the US in her comments about Russia-Vietnam talks - IMHO. Regional representatives engaging in international diplomacy. Worth a read. Message to Washington right there - I speculate.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 29 2021 12:51 utc | 100

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