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October 20, 2021

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my brother who follows the covid dairies more closely shared this with me.. some of my american friends might find it interesting...
Posted by: snake | Oct 21 2021 4:43 utc | 62

Do they cough into milk to foster herd immunity? However noble the inspiration, this goes too far.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 21 2021 14:28 utc | 101

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 21 2021 14:19 utc | 99

The linked article is TOTALLY one sided. There are irrational advocacies of "green transition", and they seem to be the prevalent type, but there are also opponents who use the same tools: extreme examples out of context etc.

Green transition involves many aspects, some totally rational and moving to common wisdom. Say, efficient appliances, lighting, and the list of unexplored "negawattes" is surely not explored. Reversal of the gigantic switch from sedans to SUVs, mini-trucks etc. that was a true national madness in USA in my humble opinion. Reducing other oversizing: housing, food portion etc. People can use motor boats for fun or kayaks.

Generating electricity with a mix of nuclear and so-called renewable. The question arises how to make it reliable, more precisely, how to make it reliable with lowest possible cost -- you need surplus of capacity, which means additional capital cost. I never seen a real calculation with examples, neither proponents nor opponents have any interest. The linked article is a fanciful analysis on the opposing side.

That brings another issue: a reliable mix with sufficient reserve capacity seems vastly cheaper when you use some fossil fuels. Thus a rational switch away from carbon would delay "carbon neutrality" until some future technologies will make it affordable. What is the sense of EU pursuing such a goal if folks in countries with less income cannot afford it? The net effect of solutions that increase costs too much is the increase of carbon emissions.

The bottom line is that we, Earthlings, have a real problem that foster two religious cults, each with multiple denominations. Religion is an efficient motivator, so it is hard to avoid.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 21 2021 14:55 utc | 102

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha... thanks to those in the commentariat who keep pushing the needle forward on the 'pandemic' discussion, and to b for opening to that discussion over time.

There are so many angles to come at this from to poke holes in the public-private partnership that is running this psychological warfare operation. This warfare operation has cost the relations of dear friends and family who unquestioningly believe what they are told by those in 'authority.' One hopes as we move from Zero Covid to annual Influenza/Corona shots, and we move from disease to climate change all in the name of saving lives in a corporate totalitarian state, eyes will continue to open at the true enemy of our time and all time: greed.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 21 2021 14:56 utc | 103

Closing session at Valday forum, Putin starts his address with a little Chinese language lesson, the word crisis in Chinese consists of two characters, danger and opportunity, checked it out and thanks Vladimir, now I know maybe twenty Chinese words.

危机

I guess there'll be Q&A part, but the mood is great changes, sorry guys, that sweet moment being on top, mount Olympus, it is gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGMQyaEua4

Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 15:09 utc | 104

"...dear friends and family who unquestioningly believe what they are told by those in 'authority.' "

It boggles the mind and is so frustrating and infuriating that people are like that, but it is
an unchangeable fact.

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 15:10 utc | 105

@Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 15:09 utc | 103

"Putin starts his address with a little Chinese language lesson, the word crisis in Chinese consists of two characters, danger and opportunity"

Mark that one false.

John F. Kennedy made the same foo-pah.


https://workplacepsychology.net/2014/08/10/in-chinese-crisis-does-not-mean-danger-and-opportunity/

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ps.

A CIA secret motto:

A crisis is an opportunity riding a dangerous wind.

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 15:16 utc | 106

Continuing ...

And there it is!

Trump announces "TRUTH Social".

The conservative revolution may not be televised, but it will be talked about.

Like this: Condoleezza Rice: White Kids Shouldn't Be Made To Feel Bad For Being White

MAGA!/sarc

PS All links in this series of comments are to neoliberal bastion ZeroHedge.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2021 15:30 utc | 107

That brings another issue: a reliable mix with sufficient reserve capacity seems vastly cheaper when you use some fossil fuels. Thus a rational switch away from carbon would delay "carbon neutrality" until some future technologies will make it affordable. What is the sense of EU pursuing such a goal if folks in countries with less income cannot afford it? The net effect of solutions that increase costs too much is the increase of carbon emissions.

Even current emissions reductions pledges don't reduce carbon emissions to a point where catastrophic warming by the middle of the century (T-~28 years) is avoided. In the catastrophic scenario, costs in general are going to rise, so we're being a penny smart but a dollar dumb by trying to justify the continued primacy of fossil fuels through money-cost metrics. In fact that is what Otto Neurath, in the socialist calculation debates, called "pseudo-rationalism," the use of a single numeraire and simple algorithm to determine "the best" outcome. For the problem of providing a comfortable amount of electricity to the Earth's project population of 9,000,000,000 people, we are going to have to use a combination of nuclear, biofuels, solar, and wind, probably in that order.

It will also mean degrowth in the standard of living of the world's most rich, specifically the bulk of Americans who have lived unsustainably on the exploitation of third world labor and the geopolitical primacy of the US. This change will come naturally or in a way planned by the people themselves. Americans have to pose the question to themselves, "what is a life worth living," and have to answer that their current lifestyles aren't that. They won't. Proletarianization is already being resisted by the usual petit-bourgeois class elements who see any reduction in caloric intake, personal lebensraum, or truck size as an attack on their inalienable rights and human dignity.

America's fucked and everyone knows it, but China's "common prosperity" offers a modest developmental path that keeps sustainability in mind. China also has the benefit of not requiring a living standard hit to become sustainable - they have a lot of room, per capita, to keep growing their living standards. But the US? We don't have the intellectual or spiritual gumption to make that change. We are a society addicted to commodity abundance, and we have lost our romantic, sentimental, and austerity-bearing spirit that ran through the works of writers like Thoreau, Emerson, Whitman, or any of our great romantic poets and storytellers. But maybe that spirit exists in a subterranean way, just waiting to emerge again. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.

But once America's cheap calories and cheap living space dries up (themselves products of the historical dispossession and genocide of indigenous Americans, the finite dowry of which we're close to exhausting), things will probably get ugly.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 21 2021 15:35 utc | 108

Don Bacon@ 41
Thank you for your comment.
I read a little and watched an old tv movie about the story of Norman Cousins last night after your tip.
Remarkable story.

I am a firm believer of Mind / Body Connexion.

Posted by: ld | Oct 21 2021 15:36 utc | 109

BM @ 94

It's strange, I mean, those [vaccine hesitant] are educated people, with advanced degrees, I don't even understand what is going on. And we have a reliable and effective vaccine (Putin quote)

Research is showing that one of the most vaccine hesitant groups, that is holding constant, is with individuals who have obtained higher levels of education... (Link)

...making most everyone else look kinda stupid.

Posted by: john | Oct 21 2021 15:39 utc | 110

Debsisdead @ 54, thanks so much for your posts and first link. I am a bit befuddled by the latter, however, in light of what was suspected and now confirmed, which is that the huge campaign in NZ to get everyone vaccinated, which would seem to be the answer for the substack link author who is against lockdowns, is not working elsewhere and will not work there with a leaky vaccine such as is the one being orchestrated down under. There are more ongoing infections in places that have more vaccinees.

I confess I haven't read further here, which I will now do, but I am very worried for my family down under, very worried indeed.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 21 2021 15:49 utc | 111

oldhippie @98, I join you in being extremely worried, about my family, about all families. It is as you say.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 21 2021 15:55 utc | 112

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2021 15:30 utc | 106

So-called Democrats are authoritarian and proto-totalitarian.

The Republican reaction to their shenanigans is unsurprising.

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 16:00 utc | 113

@ Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 16:00 utc | 112

So-called Democrats are authoritarian and proto-totalitarian.

Got some bad news about the other major party for you. Their anti-establishment pretensions aside (you don't really fall for that shtick, do you?), they are by far the greatest threat to freedom we face, unless by "freedom" you mean the unrestricted right to own a small arm, which the conservatives will happily abrogate when they're the ones grabbing the guns and it's leftists who have them (see: Reagan and the BPP).

FWIW, we need some authoritarianism in this country, but the authoritarianism of a proletarian dictatorship.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 21 2021 16:08 utc | 114

@ Debsisdead | Oct 21 2021 3:05 utc | 54


Critically, children under the age of 12 are most likely not included in the 90% country-wide figure given.

There have been differences in method used to report covid vaccination rates, so cross-country comparisons require factoring in whether % vaccinated includes all people or only those older than 18 years of age, as stats were reported in the UK for a long time. Now that 12 year old children and up are being vaccinated perhaps that is the lower cutoff now for those countries who once used the over 18 figure as full % equivalent of vaccinated.


Ireland:
14 October 2021 1st: 3,786,942 2nd: 3,484,258 T: 7,271,200; 77.28% (1st) 71.10% (2nd)


The above data comes from

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

If 2nd dose received by October 14 2021 is 71.1 % of the total population vaccinated, then it will take on average three additional weeks, until November 4th, before full immunity is developed in those with most recently received 2nd dose.

I agree with your assessment of the horrid change in Aotearoa government’s policy and its probable origination. Who owns the media? Financial capitalists like black rock. They also own the large defense contractors — Paul Jay has talked about this. All the better to bathe public consciousness in confusion and distractions, camouflaged class war on everyday people.

In any case it is clear that vaccination alone is not a panacea for either elimination or eradication. Ordinary people know this but have little expressed power.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 21 2021 16:11 utc | 115

Do not feed the trolls.

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 16:13 utc | 116

@ librul 104
re: "...dear friends and family who unquestioningly believe what they are told by those in 'authority.' ". . . infuriating that people are like that

It starts in elementary school, with sit down and shut up. And then it continues through the grades, with instruction based on the curriculum and standardized testing especially on algebra and English because they are so testable. There is no real education involved, if we look at the "educar" root verb which means to draw out, to fashion learning to each student because everyone is different. Some children actually don't like algebra and English! Imagine that. And then comes adulthood, when adults need someone to 'read their palms' and tell them what to do. I can't exercise on my own, I need an instructor. . . .and so on.

Howard Gardner focused on the differences, describing seven (or so) kinds of intelligence. Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences proposes that people are not born with all of the intelligence they will ever have. This theory challenged the traditional notion that there is one single type of intelligence, sometimes known as “g” for general intelligence, that only focuses on cognitive abilities. We all know people who are wonderfully creative, in many fields from designing to painting to football to mangement, and none of them need algebra to do what they do.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 21 2021 16:35 utc | 117

@ ld 108
Happy to hear you got to Norman Cousins on the mind-body connection. He wrote several books, starting most importantly IMO with "Anatomy of an Illness -- the phenomenal bestseller on illness overcome and the triumph of the human spirit."
Cousins went on the create a "happy room" in an LA hospital where bedridden recovering patients laughed at cartoons and comedians, and healed much quicker thereby. Cousins went on to write more. He had to deal with physicians who at first ridiculed his work and then when they saw the results, partnered with him.. A great man.
We have since learned that in addition to endorphins being energized by a happy brain the brain actually produces agents which augment the body's ability to fight disease -- but now I'm really in over my head.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 21 2021 16:48 utc | 118

@ 75 hope / @ 85 migueljose... thanks for the acknowledgement.. there are so many great contributions here at moa, especially from you migueljose!

2 80 william gruff... i think that is what is happening as well... slow motion train wreck in action at present... i wish it was different, but it is how i see it too..

Posted by: james | Oct 21 2021 16:54 utc | 119

Don @117
I reap the benefits of even faking a smile.
If that doesn't work... there is always mushrooms.
There are no limits to my happiness.
;)

Posted by: ld | Oct 21 2021 16:56 utc | 120

One of the graatest "New-speek" falsifications has been around for more than two hundred years: It consists of calling Western (North Atlantisist) republics "democratic" states. The Romans of old understood the distinction: Thay had a republic rulled by the monied aristocracy, just like the US of North A from the latters very inception. They abhorred the Athenian "Democracy" where each and every adult male citizen cult partake in the steering of the states polity and policies.
We must reject the misuse of the word "democracy" to characterize the Nordic Monarcies, Western Europe and North America. They are all "REPUBLICS".

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Oct 21 2021 17:01 utc | 121

librul @Oct21 16:00 #112

So-called Democrats are authoritarian and proto-totalitarian.

The Republican reaction to their shenanigans is unsurprising.


Perhaps you missed my earlier comments in this thread.

I'll summarize: IMO the Left's insane over-reach was deliberately fabricated to provoke a reaction from the right. Policy initiatives like Open Borders, Vaccine Mandates (now for children 5-11!); "Defunding" the Police, etc. were never going to succeed except in triggering right-wing/conservative outrage.

Trump's MAGA! is as much a con-job as Obama's "Change You Can Believe In" because our faux populist leaders are Deep State stooges.

The implications of USA turning right are profound. But few want to talk about it.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2021 17:10 utc | 122

fnord @Oct21 16:08 #113

Yup.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2021 17:11 utc | 123

BM@ 88

Excellent post. Robert Malone talks about same issues in a recent interview.

https://rumble.com/vnpbdv-jim-hale-interview-with-dr-robert-malone.html

Malone is an insider. In addition to being a researcher he has long had a business whose function is guiding smaller pharma providers through the FDA process. He knows the personnel at FDA, knows them personally. When he says the process is corrupt, broken, gone, believe it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 21 2021 17:30 utc | 124

A few hours and still going, I’m listening and trying to type, I have to after this question, what does Russia have to do to increase her “soft power”?

Self respect.

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@librul

Good that he copied a respected US president

Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 17:32 utc | 125

Chinese editorial on Nicholas Burns confirmation hearing to be US Ambassador to China:

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1236981.shtml

Really, with animosity such as that displayed by Burns, why bother to send an ambassador? Contacts can be carried out through intermediaries whenever necessary, as an alternative. Ambassadors' main job is supposedly to cultivate goodwill between the nations sent to and one's own country. This is like recruiting a cat-call madman to induce a fight with China, not to build relationship. Grossly comical and silly.

China-hate in the US has grown to such a state that all decent inter-relational etiquettes are out of the window. China trashing sells, to the extend that anyone aspiring to political jobs has to adopt and excel. Sign of lack of self confidence.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 21 2021 17:38 utc | 126

there has been some local or regional reaction forced by facts on the ground to adapt to the covid realities, but in which countries of the world are not all public ministers, incl "health" ministers, literally or otherwise stating and enacting,

"We cannot sacrifice the economy for public health."

China? any others?

My mayor, my governor and all the officials in between all agree on that. schools, businesses, etc. they can fight and argue about vaccine mandates but they all agree: public health will be sacrificed for "the economy."

all federal officials agree. all of them. it doesn't matter what they think about vaccines. public health will be sacrificed whether vaccines work or not. all business owners agree. all of them. 100% of them. since they are all in competition, they can't afford to disagree.

i love how they've got people fighting over vaccines, what sanctum sanctorum of the temple of science has to say about virology, epidemiology, etc. everyone's now an expert! if only viruses and air quality cared how smart people are.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 21 2021 17:43 utc | 127

Don Bacon and those who have referenced Norman Cousins, those posts are very good, and do give a positive way forward for those of us with families that are in what I call the vaccine predicament. He took the approach that all women who have given birth know very well -- the body has a 'mind' of its own and responds amazingly well to positive stimuli and feedback, which comedic and happy videos are the perfect vehicle to produce.

And that is why, in order to encourage his disciples during difficult times, Jesus gave the example of the woman who gives birth forgetting all the pain once she is overjoyed that her child has come into the world. It's the best example of a successful outcome after trial and tribulation. And we see it every day in our own lives, or we would if our governments supported this natural act.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 21 2021 17:46 utc | 128

Follow up to my comment @53

If the intent of that new discovery, reported by the George Washington University team is to get the vassals to pay for the master’s share of the expenses… well, the UK/Canada axis has a few things to say about that. Well, say very subtly, indirectly if you believe in the CBC’s The National as a vessel for these kinds of messages. From the last couple of The Moments, to end the programs:

https://twitter.com/CBCTheNational/status/1450786374190309382?s=20

https://twitter.com/CBCTheNational/status/1451148760592134147?s=20

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 21 2021 18:11 utc | 129

rjb1.5 | Oct 21 2021 17:43 utc | 126
public health measures are not in the slightest difficult to understand. if you want to control the sheep, get them arguing about stuff that they mostly cannot grasp.

"the logos belongs to all" - Heraclitus. yeah, most people are not nearly as "communist" as they think. we like to think of knowledge as private property.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 21 2021 18:15 utc | 130

@karlof1

Thanks for the reference to Cambridge History of Russia.
Started to plow into it (slow ready), and found first 100 pages to be predominantly "analysis" (i.e. opinion) largely critiquing past such analyses and prepping the reader for his own angle on things. Historians seem to find history boring. My brain can only withstand a moderate amount of indoctrination.

I much preferred the A History of Russia by Bernard Pares. He's a little round about but in my view has a light and balanced view of information - actually admits to being a ruso-phile. Also I like it as I got it as a well worn paperback for around $6.

Posted by: jared | Oct 21 2021 18:19 utc | 131

So word is apparently out (Intercept/ZH) regarding the origin of the virus (well not proven yet but fairly obvious).

Was pretty obvious (in probabilty) from the outside and there was early information pointing in that direction.

Basically the probability is that virus is engineered.
Work sponsored by NIAD.
Work contracted to Wuhan via US research firm - done for reasons of deniabilty, liabilty and such work discouraged in US. Fauci in the middle.
Some pretty stupid stuff done.
Virus was used to bail-out the owners and state and local governments and as another means to dominate the public.
Suspect this is why US dropped the China bashing as it would only boomerang - great name for aussie nuke.

Posted by: jared | Oct 21 2021 18:27 utc | 132

A hand to Biden twice, he did the right thing leaving Afghanistan. A kick to the agency, some Russian functionary coming back from the USA informed VVP that there is little contact between the high echelons of the US government and the public, a deficit of info, quickly VVP remarked that possibly the agency does not trust them ;-). Three hours non stop, a slow start but VVP gets worked up as the conversation goes on. It will be interesting to see which bits are picked up by the MSM, they will be searching for the negative, that I know for sure.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 18:29 utc | 133

@Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 18:29 utc | 133A

"A hand to Biden twice"

Would that be a slap or a faceplant?    :-)

Pretty certain that the "incompetent" exit
was planned (not by Sleepy Joe)
with incompetence as the cover up narrative.

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 19:25 utc | 134

Posted by: librul | Oct 21 2021 19:25 utc | 134

Of course it was mentioned too, they way the US left was not optimal, but the fact of leaving was a hard decision to take since the political price was going to be there for sure, but still it was the right decision, just like the soviets left, granted in a more organized manner. He could have shown some schadenfreude to a question about the consequences for the USA prestige, to the contrary and unexpected on my part, he approved of Biden's move, not its implementation.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 21 2021 19:33 utc | 135

The implications of USA turning right are profound. But few want to talk about it.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2021 17:10 utc | 121

Woah, baby ! There's delusional, there's insane, and now, there's you...


Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Oct 21 2021 20:04 utc | 136

And that is why, in order to encourage his disciples during difficult times, Jesus gave the example of the woman who gives birth forgetting all the pain once she is overjoyed that her child has come into the world. It's the best example of a successful outcome after trial and tribulation. And we see it every day in our own lives, or we would if our governments supported this natural act.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 21 2021 17:46 utc | 128

Brilliant ! The best example of this kind of thinking : the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Oct 21 2021 20:17 utc | 137

As a follow-up to my comments @126, I'm really upset at the blatancy of animosity US politicians are displaying towards China these days. Emmanuel, at his Senate confirmation hearing to be ambassador to Japan, spent most of his time detailing how he will egg Japan on to offend China rather than bilateral issues between US/Japan. Blinken/Sullivan in their recent dialogues with India, Philippine, Australia, EU, ... anywhere, invariably focus on China/Russia tirades instead of talking points of mutual interests between the sides of the dialogues. Why has diplomatic etiquette deteriorated to such low? Can't US official/politicians show a little class and taste? The status quo is so pathetic.

The US switched recognition of China from KMT to CPC for one reason--in the long term it is in USA interest to deal with 1.4 million people than with 23 million, economically, politically, culturally, and sensibly. There was no gun at their temple to force that switch. There was no begging on China's side to plead for this recognition. In fact, USA 'had' to agree to the one China principle before China would accept the recognition. So, if USA don't think China is a worthy interlocuter, heck, just switch back. Why all these bullshit at such high levels of government all these years bitching about China this and that?

I wish USA put money where its mouth is, break the diplomatic relationship with China and establish relationships with Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, those atolls in SCS, and be done with it. I also wish China would deny Nicholas Burns an entry visa, on the ground that he has publicly proved himself as an operator whose aim is to defame and split China. All said about Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc. are lies in China's opinion. He is thus a liar and persona non grata. That'd be that, and let life on globe move on.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 21 2021 20:50 utc | 138

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 21 2021 20:50 utc | 138

Well, they have trapped themselves, have they not? That is why all the flopping around. I am very glad to see their smugness punctured.

But I am sure it is annoying to listen to.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 21 2021 20:59 utc | 139

Oriental Voice @138--

I agree that Burns ought to be barred from China. Unfortunately, the Global Times editorial on the subject indicates that he will be allowed to present his credentials. Whether they're accepted is another matter, of course.

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I'm always motivated by Putin's speeches and his As to the Qs. A partial transcript in English is now posted at the Kremlin website and will likely be complete by late Friday. His opening remarks always address the Valdai Club's theme that Putin noted is quite stark: "Global Shake-up in the 21st Century: The Individual, Values and the State." I've read the initial snippets reported by TASS and company, but they never capture everything I consider important. For example, after alluding to the Chinese symbols for crisis, Putin says:

"Of course, we must be aware of the danger and be ready to counter it, and not just one threat but many diverse threats that can arise in this era of change. However, it is no less important to recall a second component of the crisis – opportunities that must not be missed, all the more so since the crisis we are facing is conceptual and even civilisation-related. This is basically a crisis of approaches and principles that determine the very existence of humans on Earth, but we will have to seriously revise them in any event. The question is where to move, what to give up, what to revise or adjust. In saying this, I am convinced that it is necessary to fight for real values, upholding them in every way. [My Emphasis]

And of course, that has a direct bearing on b's topic for today--Wokeism and its utter insanity as it's beyond 100% illiberal. I find what Putin says next to be extraordinary and IMO many will miss it:

"Humanity entered into a new era about three decades ago when the main conditions were created for ending military-political and ideological confrontation."

Sure, GHW Bush declared the beginning of a New World Order, but that wasn't at all about creating the conditions "for ending military-political and ideological confrontation." IMO, Bush then Clinton escalated them and in 1996 the Outlaw US Empire called for attaining Full Spectrum Domination for itself. Perhaps Putin is saying here that an opportunity was created that was deliberately not acted upon. I'd like to ask him that myself as IMO the distinction is critically important. My interpretation is those pulling the strings saw the opportunity to once and for all re-establish the Primacy of the Outlaw US Empire such that it would never again be challenged and were bold enough to publicly announce it in a backhanded manner by publishing a policy document, Joint Vision 2010, which was followed by its update in 2000, Joint Vision 2020. Putin is certainly aware of both, but my need for clarification still stands.

Putin follows that with this:

"A search for a new balance, sustainable relations in the social, political, economic, cultural and military areas and support for the world system was launched at that time. We were looking for this support but must say that we did not find it, at least so far. Meanwhile, those who felt like the winners after the end of the Cold War (we have also spoken about this many times) and thought they climbed Mount Olympus soon discovered that the ground was falling away underneath even there, and this time it was their turn, and nobody could 'stop this fleeting moment' no matter how fair it seemed." [My Emphasis]

Yes, things are rather different this time as humanity hasn't experienced a paradigm change in awhile as Putin acknowledges:

"I would like to add that the transformation that we are seeing and are part of is of a different calibre than the changes that repeatedly occurred in human history, at least those we know about. This is not simply a shift in the balance of forces or scientific and technological breakthroughs, though both are also taking place. Today, we are facing systemic changes in all directions – from the increasingly complicated geophysical condition of our planet to a more paradoxical interpretation of what a human is and what the reasons for his existence are. [My Emphasis]

And there's Putin's thesis for his talk. He follows by outlining several main points which I will leave alone since the current transcript ends as he's digging into the meat of his speech. What he has already said is quite enough for an extended discussion. What he adds to it makes the discussion longer and more complex. Some of it certainly belongs on the Woke thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 21 2021 21:35 utc | 140

==> Don Bacon, ID, Karlof 1, Juliana ==> Norman Cousins

Norman Cousins was a remarkable American who showed Honesty, Integrity, Compassion and Humour in both word and deed in his life
Early on he resolved to follow the trail of truth, wherever it lead.
It lead him to edit and publish the widely circulated and widely trusted “The Saturday Review” .
He also wrote more than 20 books. The most widely known of these “Anatomy of an Illness as Perceived by the Patient”
which showed how genuine humour could help heal an apparently incurable disease.
[ Humour - an attribute notably lacking in todays politicians.]

He later met Albert Schweitzer, likewise a remarkable German/Alsatian scholar who left a brilliant academic career to start a hospital in Lambarene / Gabon helping to heal the less privileged
They corresponded and became close friends, Cousins visited Lambarene and out of that relationship
came an agreement to try and stop atmospheric nuclear testing.

Schweitzer, then in his 80s, researched and wrote a scientific critique on the dangers to life- present and future- of the tests, then in full swing, Cousins arranged for worldwide broadcasting, which then lead to the cessation of above ground test, although below ground continued.

Schweitzer's paper is here /a>

The response from the US establishment was to send a CIA operator to Gabon to see if they could find “Adverse publicity”.
They failed, but parts of the report are still redacted, even to this day

There is an often used argument “What can one person do”.
These two answered with “Quite a Lot”
B, I think, is also one person who makes a difference :-)

https://www.albany.edu/news/pdf_files/0903_Blacklisting_Schweitzer.pdf


Posted by: David Kinniburgh | Oct 21 2021 22:01 utc | 141

==> Don Bacon, ID, Karlof 1, Juliana ==> Norman Cousins

Norman Cousins was a remarkable American who showed Honesty, Integrity, Compassion and Humour in both word and deed in his life
Early on he resolved to follow the trail of truth, wherever it lead.
It lead him to edit and publish the widely circulated and widely trusted “The Saturday Review” .
He also wrote more than 20 books. The most widely known of these “Anatomy of an Illness as Perceived by the Patient”
which showed how genuine humour could help heal an apparently incurable disease.
[ Humour - an attribute notably lacking in todays politicians.]

He later met Albert Schweitzer, likewise a remarkable German/Alsatian scholar who left a brilliant academic career to start a hospital in Lambarene / Gabon helping to heal the less privileged
They corresponded and became close friends, Cousins visited Lambarene and out of that relationship
came an agreement to try and stop atmospheric nuclear testing.

Schweitzer, then in his 80s, researched and wrote a scientific critique on the dangers to life- present and future- of the tests, then in full swing, Cousins arranged for worldwide broadcasting, which then lead to the cessation of above ground test, although below ground continued.

The response from the US establishment was to send a CIA operator to Gabon to see if they could find “Adverse publicity”.
They failed, but parts of the report are still redacted, even to this day

There is an often used argument “What can one person do”.
These two answered with “Quite a Lot”
B, I think, is also one person who makes a difference :-)

https://www.albany.edu/news/pdf_files/0903_Blacklisting_Schweitzer.pdf

Posted by: David Kinniburgh | Oct 21 2021 22:02 utc | 142

Sorry about the duplicated posts
Maybe its the dreaded Covid Brain Fog
or maybe the caffiense has yet to kick in
Schweitzers paper is here- Title typo is mine /a>

Posted by: David Kinniburgh | Oct 21 2021 22:10 utc | 143

I have a few Ethiopian friends - and with everything going on I had thought the current civil war was mostly a local thing. However - it looks like Libya/Syria with quite a few different players/countries. The new damm - is raising tensions with it's neighbor Egypt. So little is coming out - a deeper dive might be a good topic

Posted by: goatman | Oct 21 2021 23:08 utc | 144

Transcript and video of Moderate Rebels talk with Dr. Hudson about the 3rd edition of Super Imperialism:

"And then the second edition was published after 9/11 and the beginning of the War on Terror, which represents a kind of new phase of imperialism. And then finally, your third edition here was just published, and your new edition encompasses the new cold war.

"The final chapter talks about the increasing economic competition between the US on one side and China and Russia on the other side. And you talk about the move toward a 'de-dollarized multi-polar economy.' So can you talk about the differences in the editions and how they reflect the changes in US super imperialism, the system that you described back in the 1970s?"

After reviewing what occurred after the 1st edition appeared, Hudson gets into the gist of what's new within the 3rd edition:

"The United States has got so debt-oriented and so privatized. Since the Reagan Revolution, the American economy was Thatcher-ized, and that made it a high-cost economy.

"The cost of housing has gone way up. The cost of medical insurance has gone way up. The debt burden has gone way up. And America has now priced itself out of the market.

"So China and Russia look at America as an object lesson, as how do we avoid here having the dynamic that occurred in the United States. It doesn’t have anything to do with capitalism versus socialism or other isms. It has to do with the basic dynamics of debt.

"And China realizes that, ok, we’re going to do make our economy productive in the way that the United States and Germany did in the 19th century. It’s a mixed economy. And as a mixed economy, we’re going to have the government provide the basic utilities at a subsidized rate, instead of letting them be privatized, so that we can have a low-priced economy.

"And the most important public utility to China, as it was to Russia, is to keep money creation, banking, and credit in the public domain."

I'll let the reader/watcher take it from here excepting this little gem that comes soon after the above:

"It’s not a rivalry with the United States; it’s a rejection of the whole neoliberal structure that the United States has put in place."

And China's trying hard to get Russia and others to do the same because there's absolutely no Win-Win within Neoliberalism. But those pulling the strings can't allow anyone to let that cat out of the bag. Rather, there must be a severe threat to "our" security, which as we all know is another Big Lie.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 21 2021 23:10 utc | 145

RE: Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 20 2021 18:25 utc | 4

“Sometimes doing nothing is the best strategy of all. “

Not quite.

Practice suggests that sometimes doing nothing whilst your opponent believes you are doing something is the best strategy of all.

This was illustrated by Mr. Stalin's observation that “The Bolsheviks learnt to talk, and I learned to listen” and is currently illustrated in most “blogs” particularly those immersed in the coercive social relations self-misrepresented as “The United States of America”.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 22 2021 10:24 utc | 146

US president Biden vows to protect Taiwan on CNN today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4hK_CdSTW0

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 22 2021 10:38 utc | 147

Piotr Berman @ 101

“Do they cough into the milk.....”

The Amish take Communion from a single cup. They have never stopped attending church services and are not about to change the sacrament.

The Amish have no covid problem.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 22 2021 11:19 utc | 148

Recommended read:

French Catholic Church sexual abuse: The devil lives in holy place by Xin Ping, for the People's Daily

Christianity - the living fossil from Late Antiquity and Feudal era - has run its course. It has become the False Prophet itself, therefore it doesn't have any more reason to exist. The only reason it still perseveres in the modern world is in the fact that it has become such an entrenched part of Western cultural identity that people are simply afraid of getting rid of it.

The Christians think they're fooling the non-Christians. They're fooling no one.

--//--

Why Putin's 'Conservatism of Optimists' Approach Resonating With Traditionalists in US and EU

This article can be discussed for many of its aspects, but the essential is this: Putin is clearly a transitional leader. He knows the Russian Federation needs stability, but he doesn't know the endgame of this stability.

Putin classifies "Conservatism of Optimists" as an ideology (of the Russian Federation), but, when he describes it, it is clear it isn't an ideology, but simply a loose set of customs, habits and culture. I don't think he knows what ideology really means. That is, unless the journalist is distorting what he really said (I haven't read the full transcript of his speech).

Posted by: vk | Oct 22 2021 12:29 utc | 149

Posted by: vk | Oct 22 2021 12:29 utc | 149

"Conservatism of Optimists"

Political discourse is so corrupted. The real discussion between "conservatives" and "progressives" is about the rate of change in society, and the problem at issue it that too rapid change is destructive not constructive. It is, to use the cliche, destabilizing. That is why Uncle Sugar is so fond of it, he likes disruption, it's his business plan, such plans as he has.

Putin wants change as fast as is consistent with stability and steady development, which is just what any leader wants if he wants to do his job.

Putin would not be in such a hurry if we were not so busy f**king everything up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 12:41 utc | 150

Antonym @Oct22 10:38 #147: US president Biden vows to protect Taiwan on CNN

Caitlin Johnstone tweets:

"A White House spokesperson later appeared to walk back Mr Biden's comments, telling US media outlets that the US was 'not announcing any change in our policy and there is no change in our policy'."

No big deal everyone, just the president's dementia trying to start WW3.


Biden's media-hyped,age-related mild cognitive decline makes for good comedy but is also very convenient for obfuscating US intentions.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 22 2021 13:21 utc | 151

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 22 2021 10:24 utc | 146

Picky. You cannot always choose to have stupid opponents. We are both making "sometimes" do a lot of work here too.

It is hard to listen well when you are talking.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 13:39 utc | 152

re: Taiwan
The US has destroyed many countries recently but never protected a province. It would be a new thing to the warmongers, so they say go for it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 22 2021 13:42 utc | 153


https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nationwide-blood-donor-seroprevalence

The numbers say the population has antibodies. At a prevalence that should stop covid in its tracks.

The show must go on. The show will continue. A tragedy in four acts. Or five. Or six. We still have screenwriters.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 22 2021 14:21 utc | 154

Russia & China conduct Naval exercises while cruising all the way around Japan with a ten ship flotilla. Not the first time they've done this, 2013 was the first and last time.

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Pepe Escobar's report on the Moscow Format meeting on Afghanistan includes a few highlights, including one Howler:

"When President Putin casually drops the information, on the record, that there are at least 2,000 ISIS-K jihadis in northern Afghanistan, this means Russian intel knows exactly where they are, and has the capabilities to snuff them, should the Taliban signal help is needed.

"Now compare it with NATO – fresh from its massive Afghan humiliation – holding a summit of defense ministers in Brussels this Thursday and Friday to basically lecture the Taliban. NATO’s secretary-general, the spectacularly mediocre Jens Stoltenberg, insists that 'the Taliban are accountable to NATO' over addressing terrorism and human rights."

Given NATO's criminality, it ought to be accountable to the Taliban. Recognition will eventually be made, but given escalating regional involvement, that's not particularly important:

"To sum it all up, Lavrov in Moscow was extremely conciliatory. He stressed how the Moscow format participants plan to use all opportunities for 'including' the Taliban via several multilateral bodies, such as the UN, the SCO – where Afghanistan is an observer nation – and crucially, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), which is a military alliance."

Winter has yet to arrive in Afghanistan, allowing aid providing nations to work. The G-20 meeting in Rome begins on the 30th and IMO will be closely watched.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 15:29 utc | 155

China wins duel with West over human rights at UN. China's UN Ambassador Zhang Jun echoed Putin with his remarks:

"On Thursday, Ambassador Zhang Jun, China's permanent representative to the UN, refuted the untenable accusations and reiterated China's stance on human rights issues, saying that China firmly opposes and refuses untenable accusations made by some countries.

"It is so difficult for the US and a few countries to change their old bad habits - misusing the UN platform to make untenable accusations at China, spreading political viruses and disinformation, and poisoning the atmosphere for cooperation.

"China has actively participated in all the topics of the Third Committee and offered China's approach. On behalf of 31 countries, China made a joint statement to oppose unilateral sanctions; on behalf of 76 countries, it made a joint statement on promoting the fair distribution of vaccines; together with African countries, China also released a joint statement opposing racial discrimination, winning support from 78 countries. All these show that China and the majority of developing countries insist that communication is the right direction for promoting human rights, and cooperation is the right pattern, Zhang noted.

"I also want to tell US followers that you think you can be superior to others by obeying the superpower and playing the jackal to the tiger. But as a country that has no independence, you lost dignity and earned no respect from others, Zhang said." [My Emphasis]

This year also marks the 50th anniversary of the PRC's being named the sole UN representative for China as this article notes "China wins increasing support at UN during 50 yrs, opposing unilateralism, protectionism and hegemony":

"The Chinese Foreign Ministry released a position paper on China's cooperation with the United Nations on Friday in the run up to the 50th anniversary of the restoration of the lawful seat of the People's Republic of China in the UN, stressing that China opposes unilateralism, protectionism and bullying acts and rejects pseudo-multilateralism like group politics and small circles while upholding multilateralism, and China will firmly follow the path of peaceful development and never seek hegemony, expansion or spheres of influence.

"Chinese analysts and former envoys said China's cooperation with the UN in the past 50 years, which enhanced the UN's authority in global affairs, represented the future direction of the world, as more and more countries have been supporting China's practice of peaceful coexistence and safeguarding fairness and justice, while resisting the US-led Western hegemony and kidnapping of the UN for their selfish purposes and creating confrontations."

As Hudson revealed in his interview with the Moderate Rebels, he rewrote his opus Super Imperialism at the request of the Chinese, updating it to the present and including information omitted from the first two editions. Hudson reveals many of the Outlaw US Empire's crimes that allowed it to exert Primacy that has also led to its own instability and that of the international system; so, I highly suggest reading the transcript or watching the video to learn that the Chinese aren't just spinning stories.

The Position Paper mentioned above can be downloaded from here. As I read the first ten pages, I couldn't help making comparisons with Hudson's revelations and with what I already knew and appreciate what China has done to stabilize the international system at a time when a short term vacuum was created with the USSR's demise and subsequent attempt by the Outlaw US Empire to evert its rule over the planet. IMO, it's somewhat surprising the Empire took so long to turn its sights onto China, a mistake that appears to be the result of its exceptional level of hubris.

IMO, it's that hubris that led Biden to declare the Outlaw US Empire will defend Taiwan if the mainland attempts a forceful reunification, which brought about an immediate push-back via this Global Times editorial:

"In an interview with CNN on Thursday, US President Joe Biden was asked whether the US would protect Taiwan island if the Chinese mainland attacked. 'Yes, we have a commitment to do that,' he answered. The interview quickly attracted eyeballs and interpretations.

"As is known to all, the US has long held 'strategic ambiguity' when it comes to the Taiwan question - not to make statements over whether to 'defend' Taiwan island if the People's Liberation Army (PLA) makes military moves to reach reunification across the Straits. If Biden's answer implies that the US is giving up strategic ambiguity, and that US troops will fight the PLA if a war breaks out in the Straits, that would be a major shift in the cross-Straits situation and will be bound to trigger fierce confrontation."

That makes the second "slip of the tongue" by Biden since August. The Empire lies so much it's hard to make a determination, particularly from an empty-headed Biden. The editorial continues:

"Taking his answer literally, Biden's statement did break the previous US stance on Taiwan island. It created room for imagination that the Biden administration might be hatching a strategic change on the Taiwan question. Taiwan secessionist forces may be encouraged through his words and further stir up trouble by taking advantage of this statement, misleading the people on the island.

"Whether it is a slip of the tongue, such a statement will not influence the Chinese mainland's determination and will over its stance on cross-Straits ties. US strategic ambiguity over the case may have been its tactic in the early years, but it is now becoming a forced choice to make without other alternatives in the face of reality....

"Over the past two years, some Americans wanted the US to abandon the strategic ambiguity policy and replace it with 'strategic clarity.' Their voices cannot be compared to those who clamor about human rights, which are far more violent and arrogant. In terms of the Taiwan question, US political circles and public opinion are generally cautious. They hold a negative and fearful attitude toward turning a fight with the PLA into a US obligation."

IMO, Biden let the cat out of the bag as the policy change is also reflected in the choice of the new ambassador's Congressional testimony. But of course, time will tell.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 16:36 utc | 156

re: China
"I also want to tell US followers that you think you can be superior to others by obeying the superpower and playing the jackal to the tiger."
The Jackals are mostly in Europe, where the US wants to get NATO fired up to lose another one. The only real Asian jackal that the US has against China is Japan (the US has about 50,000 troops based in that country). The Quad (US, Japan, India, Australia) has never mentioned China in any of its press releases, and AUKUS is a pipe-dream about Australia with nuclear submarines which would be decades away, if ever. ASEAN has not taken any position against China, and hopes that the US warmongers will just stay out of their district. . .So again the only real jackals are in Europe, where there is this great difference between the EU politicians (jackals) and the commercial interests, enjoying increased China trade.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 22 2021 16:55 utc | 157

Poland vs EU saga continues that continues to show the EU's authoritarian nature:

"Poland’s refusal to bow to European Union pressure has revealed a fissure at the heart of the bloc. Brussels simply does not know how to proceed in its battle with Poland over the supremacy of EU law. Some want the Poles punished now, others want more negotiations, while Hungary is steadfastly standing by its ally....

"However, it is not only the national leaders who are divided over how to deal with Poland; the EU institutions are equally split. Whereas the European Commission wants to continue with negotiations, the European Parliament, which is far more ideological than the Commission, wants to see Poland and Hungary punished, and punished now.

"So impatient are MEPs that they have given Commission President Ursula von der Leyen a deadline of November 2 to punish Poland, or they will initiate legal proceedings against the European Commission. Yes, that’s right, the European Parliament is going to sue the European Commission because it believes that it is treating Poland with kid gloves."

Hungary's Orban IMO made the crucial distinction:

"The fact is very clear: the primacy of EU law is not in the treaty at all, so the EU has primacy where it has competencies... what’s going on here is regularly that European institutions circumvent the rights of the national parliament and government."

Poles rejected the USSR's overlordship and will likely reject that of the EU's. And that's not the only crisis happening within the EU. Again, read/watch Hudson's interview with the Moderate Rebels.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 18:11 utc | 158

Don Bacon @157--

Thanks for your reply, Don. I think you'll find this Tom Fowdy op/ed informative as to the degree of cooperation/coordination of Russia and China's policies regarding Taiwan, Japan, NATO:

"The rapidly changing strategic map of the world has opened up a growing space for common strategic interests between Russia and China. American foreign policymakers like to toy with the dream of breaking the two countries apart, as evident from John Bolton’s recent interview with RT.

"However, they are finding out it is not that simple, and the trend is that the East is entrenching, rather than wavering in the face of pressure from the West. Both Russia and China see each others’ political successes in the context of what it means for them in the international order as a whole. It is a choice between standing together in fields of common interest, or facing the US’s hegemony on their own."

Ever more nations are de facto aligning with Russia and China as the Multipolar world continues to gather form. Still, lots of work remains to be done before Global Peace can be declared.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 18:34 utc | 159

@Piotr Berman #102
I don't really understand the point you want to make.
In particular, your beliefs on lowered consumption: should the lowering of consumption be voluntary or involuntary? Who chooses who gets (and does not get)? Who determines the levels?
That is the crux, in my view. I am not against alternative energy; how ever, I am against crappy alternative energy which is both more unreliable and more expensive. There is a direct line between the level of adoption of alternative energy in a country/state/region and its energy prices.
And the people who are hurt the most by this are the poor.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 22 2021 19:33 utc | 160

@ karlof 159
. . . the East is entrenching, rather than wavering in the face of pressure from the West.

Yes, the US twists the facts of events in Asia but that just makes Asians increase their entrenchment. For example in Malaysia the Pentagon chest-thumping in the US news was that a US warship scared away a Chinese ship, but Malaysia reported that the ship was leaving anyhow plus the Malaysian government complained about the intrusive US naval actions. That was not reported in the US news, of course. None of these countries wants any part of US endless wars. Keep out, USA, is their plea.

Now Biden has AGAIN said that the US would defend Taiwan against any attack. This sort of talk (we should cheer it on) from Westerners will make their loss all the sweeter to China. After a hundred years of humiliation by the West, including unwanted military occupation, the West will have to face the facts of a new (and reversed) situation. Losers! Japan may get a deserved (by China) sock on the chin also. . . Payback's a bitch!

Regarding Fowdy's piece, it is only on the military cooperation of Russia and China. But there are many other countries involved in this overall situation, and the economic cooperation outweighs military aspects in the affected countries. That especially means the China BRI, which features Asia countries but has also been extended elsewhere including Europe. Even the smaller countries are getting involved: Cambodia is set to host the 1st Asia-Europe Economic and Business Forum on November 24, an event which will showcase areas of investment opportunities and potential in the aftermath of the Covid-19 crisis. . . It's the economy! . . .Brookings: "Eurasia recently has been one of the most dynamic regions of the world in terms of economic growth with an average annual per capita income growth rate of about 4-5% over the last four years, even as recession gripped much of the rest of the world. Prospects for continued economic growth in the region remain also strong."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 22 2021 20:06 utc | 161

Putin declares the USSR the real driving force behind the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII.

By this same token, and having condemned the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as war crimes at least half a year ago, he could have also taken the opportunity to recall how the real driving force for Japan's surrender was the Soviet armed forces who defeated Japanese troops in Manchuria, and not the nuclear bombings which were intended to intimidate the USSR and scare/blackmail Stalin into submission (not so much to 'teach [an already war-torn and surrendering] Japan a lesson' as the Russophobic USian narrative suggests).
Putin could also condemn the revisionist narrative that the Soviets were behind the nuking.

It is unknown whether this will expose the hypocrisy of regurgitating the USian narrative on anything only when it's convenient (e.g. saying that "two bombs weren't enough" every time US-occupied Tokyo does/says something detrimental to Russian or Chinese interests), but whatever the outcome, until Putin addresses the issue (assuming that he can), one can only dream.

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 22 2021 22:20 utc | 162

More twisting of history, this time in Yugoslavia/Serbia:

"'Serbia' is a bit of a misnomer here, as that was the designation given by the Axis powers to the German occupation zone after Adolf Hitler personally ordered Yugoslavia be 'wiped off the map' in April 1941. Restored in 1945, Yugoslavia was again obliterated in 1991, with the eager participation of the reunited “democratic” Germany. The 1999 air war NATO waged on the last entity by that name – which damaged the Kragujevac monument – was the first combat mission for the Luftwaffe since WWII. After the occupation of Kosovo and the secession of Montenegro, all that remains is a 'Serbia' that almost matches the borders of Hitler’s occupation zone.

"These days, Germany loves to bring up its 'investments' in Serbia. So did the Reich of yore, with posters proclaiming 'Germany has jobs for everyone' depicting smiling men and women – as opposed to the grim reality of slave labor factories for Slavic 'subhumans.'"

In another regional development, "Kosovo’s ‘government’ is illegitimate & its ‘expulsion’ of two Russian diplomats on UN business has no legal force":

"'We do not recognize the ‘independence’ of Kosovo, and, accordingly, the regional ‘government’ and other ‘structures’. For us, no ‘decisions’ of Pristina have legal force,' the embassy said on Friday, adding that its mandate in Kosovo is to cooperate with the UN Interim Administration Mission (UNMIK), based on the Security Council Resolution 1244....

"The US-led NATO military bloc occupied Kosovo in 1999, following a 78-day war on behalf of ethnic Albanian separatists. UN Security Council Resolution 1244 guaranteed Serbia’s territorial integrity, but the provisional government in Pristina declared independence in 2008. While a number of America's allies have recognized this, Serbia has not – and neither have Russia, China, five EU members and much of the UN."

And that's another spot that could erupt into war.


Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 22:37 utc | 163

Don Bacon @161--

Yes, the emerging Eurasian Bloc has the West defeated geoeconomically--dependency that's growing--but the only people being honest are Russians, Chinese, and their Eurasian partners. In the last two years combined, the Outlaw US Empire's deficit just missed $5 Trillion. Yet the lies and resulting fallacious policy choices continue:

"The Congressional Budget Office has shown confidence in the numbers, predicting that the budget deficit will fall to $1.15 trillion for the current fiscal year and continue to steadily dip in following years."

Of course, that estimate doesn't include Biden's BBB plan's negative impact. And unlike all those years Hudson documents in the new edition of Super Imperialism, very few nations bought that debt which had to be absorbed by the Fed. And it will worsen as more nations dedollarize.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2021 22:56 utc | 164

Palladium Magazine ("a non-partisan publication that explores the future of liberalism, governance, and society") has an interesting piece on Lebanon.
Hezbollah’s Regime Without a State

Posted by: Die Niemandsfuchs | Oct 23 2021 7:32 utc | 165

https://news.yahoo.com/israel-france-hold-secret-talks-195222273.html

What kind of deal was struck for France to be allowed in the white list?

Posted by: Tom2 | Oct 23 2021 12:44 utc | 166

Another pipeline update. I posted in another open thread about Enbridge’s Line 3 pipeline which was expanded. The new expanded pipeline started carrying oil as of Oct. 1st. Now, Canada has invoked a treaty from 1977 over a dispute with the US/Michigan. This is regarding Enbridge’s Line 5 pipeline, which carries oil from the endpoint of Line 3 to Sarnia in Canada.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/line-5-dispute-directly-and-significantly-impacting-canada-u-s-relations-enbridge-1.1670243

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/enbridge-s-line-3-in-service-pipeline-to-be-fully-operational-by-end-of-month-1.5607241

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2021 12:59 utc | 167

RE: Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 13:39 utc | 152

“Picky. “

A function of facility.

“You cannot always choose to have stupid opponents “

Not all rely on choosing, but rendering – a function of facility including but not restricted to listening.

“It is hard to listen well when you are talking. “

Not all agree thereby facilitating the process of rendering, which informed the question to which Mr. Stalin responded by “The Bolsheviks learned to talk, and I learned to listen”, as related in separate meetings with Mr. Kaganovich and Mr. Molotov after both had been “put out to pasture”, and Mr. Stalin had been removed from the mausoleum, which informed/informs the lateral ongoing processes of transcending “The Soviet Union” from at least 1971 to date.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 23 2021 13:44 utc | 168

the Robert Bridge article today in Strategic Culture is a very interesting read.
Within the article is a link to Public Citizen, a consumer rights advocacy group, revealing contracts that required governments “‘to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Pfizer’ from and against any and all suits, claims, actions, demands, damages, costs and expenses related to vaccine intellectual property.”
I would post the link but don't want to screw up the format.

Posted by: ld | Oct 23 2021 19:57 utc | 169

@ karlof 164
The recent Hudson "Super Imperialism" effort was interesting, with the hits on the dollar. It was especially informative (to me) that one major reason for 800 US overseas bases was to push dollars into these countries which would then be used (no other choice) to buy US treasury bonds, financing the debt. (I think I've got that right.) . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 23 2021 23:33 utc | 170

Take a break whenever you need it b.
We'll mind the store for u !

---------------

ANGLOS and iNDIANS have been ganging up on Chinese since the time of ENA.
The barbarians have never left the gate
actually.

Yellows are now being demonised for crimes against whites and browns willy
nilly, not based on evidence and facts but instead on white lies, social media posts and memes

Exhibit A..

Nicholas burns

China an aggressor against India; must be held accountable:
the Chinese genocide in Xinjiang and abuses in Tibet, its smothering of Hong Kong's autonomy and freedoms, and its bullying of Taiwan are unjust, and must stop

Posted by: denk | Oct 24 2021 3:06 utc | 171

Below is a Xinhuanet posting that I find interesting and wonder what other barflies think


'
BEIJING, Oct. 23 (Xinhua) -- Chinese lawmakers on Saturday voted to adopt a new law on family education promotion at a session of the National People's Congress Standing Committee.

The law stipulates that parents or other guardians of minors shall be responsible for family education, while the state, schools and society provide guidance, support and services for family education.
"

I think this puts the right/responsibility where it should be...

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 4:17 utc | 172

Below is a Xinhuanet posting that challenges my understand of property ownership in China....I thought the state owned it all..

"
BEIJING, Oct. 23 (Xinhua) -- The Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPC), China's top legislature, on Saturday adopted a decision to authorize the State Council to pilot property tax reforms in certain regions.

The move aims to advance the property tax legislation and reform in an active and prudent way, guide the rational housing consumption and the economical and intensive use of land resources, and facilitate the steady and sound development of the country's property market, according to the decision.

Property tax should be levied on all types of residential and non-residential property in pilot areas, while lawfully-owned rural homesteads and houses built on them are excluded, the decision said, adding that taxpayers are the holders of land-use rights and house owners.

The State Council and related departments as well as local governments need to create scientific and feasible approaches and procedures for tax collection and management, said the decision.

The State Council will decide on the list of pilot areas after considering issues such as stepping up the pilot program, promoting unified legislation and advancing the steady and sound development of the property market. It will then submit the list to the NPC Standing Committee, for the record.

The date of start of the five-year pilot program will be determined by the State Council, according to the decision.

The Ministry of Finance and the State Taxation Administration will draft the measures for piloting the property tax and make preparations for the work in accordance with the authorization of the NPC Standing Committee, officials of the two state organs said in an interview with Xinhua.
"

So what are these "lawfully-owned rural homesteads and houses built on them"?

They don't sound like leased back state owned properties to me......interesting

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 4:27 utc | 173

Below is part of a Xinhuanet posting that may be fellow barflies can speculate on

"
BEIJING, Oct. 23 (Xinhua) -- The Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPC), China's top legislature, adopted multiple laws including laws on family education promotion and land borders, and an amendment to the Audit Law, as it wrapped up a session on Saturday.

President Xi Jinping signed presidential orders to promulgate the laws.

Li Zhanshu, chairman of the NPC Standing Committee, presided over the closing meeting of the 31st session of the 13th NPC Standing Committee, which ran from Tuesday to Saturday.

Lawmakers passed a decision on authorizing the State Council to temporarily adjust the application of certain provisions of the Metrology Law in the pilot cities of business environment innovation.
"

I had to look up Metrology Law to see WTF and I am still not getting why weight and measure standards would need to be suspended for some business innovation pilot projects?????

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 4:34 utc | 174

"China has unresolved border disputes with India and Bhutan. The new law, observers said, would formalise some of China’s recent actions in disputed territories with both India and Bhutan, including the PLA’s massing of troops in forward areas along the India border, multiple transgressions across the LAC, and the construction of new “frontier villages” along the border with Bhutan."
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-passes-new-land-border-law-amid-military-standoff-with-india/article37147759.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 24 2021 10:44 utc | 175

RE: Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 13:39 utc | 152

“We are both making "sometimes" do a lot of work here too. “

When priests and scribes interpret entrails, belief takes exercise.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 24 2021 11:38 utc | 176

@psychohistorian #173
As I understand it - the "land" is owned by the government but anything built on it (houses, apartments, condos, farms, factories etc) is owned by individuals/families/corporations.
This disparate ownership is bridged by 100 year or some such leases of the land from the government.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2021 13:08 utc | 177

More energy fun:

German Energy Prices Going Through the Roof

Feel free to ignore the commentary - what is interesting are the graphs showing the increases in natural gas futures prices in the Dutch exchange and the change in German household electricity prices. 30 to 40 euro cents per kwh = 36 to 48 cents per kwh? That makes California look cheap.
I wonder how the German population is taking this.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2021 13:12 utc | 178

ph @ 173

My understanding of this is somewhat flimsy but I think the original revolution in 1949 was for the peasants (rural farmers and laborers) to take back the land from the landlords and for the proletariat to take control of urban industry.

Industry was to be the main focus supported by the peasants.  It also needed capital to get started which began with the Soviet Union and caused familiar problems with foreign debt.

Unlike Europe and the US which were able to transfer costs of development and set backs to developing countries and former colonies, China transferred costs to the rural areas.

Now they seem to be at a point of developing more pro peasant policies.

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 24 2021 13:14 utc | 179

@ Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2021 13:12 utc | 178

I wonder how the German population is taking this.

They're taking it straight up into their asses, like they've been doing since 1990.

Posted by: vk | Oct 24 2021 14:11 utc | 180

@ Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 4:27 utc | 173

After the Revolution of 1949, the State started to expropriate the land in China. The exception to this was the peasantry who fought for them in the Civil War: their land was bought, not expropriated.

99.999% of the peasants sold their land to the State during this process, but 0.001% did not. The State did not expropriate those; instead, they grandfathered them and, as a result, they have the distinction of being the only private owners of land in the PRC.

As a curiosity, some of this land is in the tier 1 cities (e.g. Shanghai) and they're worth a fortune nowadays. Those peasants could easily sell it and live in comfort for the rest of their lives, but they don't - they still prefer to live in poverty, in the old ways.

Posted by: vk | Oct 24 2021 14:17 utc | 181

@ psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 4:27 utc | 173

Anybody, please correct me if I am wrong — the 5 or so test pilot land taxation programs will be taxing land that municipalities have sold to private property developers during the post 2007-8 construction boom. The experiment sounds like a test of Michael Hudson’s suggestion to tax the increase in land value and leave housing and homes for people to live in at uninflated costs.

The wording in the article seems to lack good translation re houses but I don’t have the skill to read the original.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 24 2021 15:12 utc | 182

Re 182. Correction

“Sold” is probably not the correct term to use as the legal contracts reflect different use rights over time in contrast to western law of in fee simple etc

Posted by: suzan | Oct 24 2021 15:16 utc | 183

Thanks to all about China property ownership and taxing scenarios.

I have yet to read in the West anything serious about China's pilot projects about anything but expect there is much to learn from their social science forays.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2021 15:46 utc | 184

Posted by: denk | Oct 24 2021 3:06 utc | 171

Good one denk. Sounds like just the kind of guy Xi can get along with.

Posted by: arby | Oct 24 2021 16:46 utc | 185

RE: Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 24 2021 11:38 utc | 176

“When priests and scribes interpret entrails, belief takes exercise. “

http://thesaker.is/a-commented-reading-of-putins-speech-at-valdai/

being one example among many.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 25 2021 14:15 utc | 186

RE: Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 13:39 utc | 152

“We are both making "sometimes" do a lot of work here too. “

When priests and scribes interpret entrails, belief takes exercise.

Not restricted to TheSaker.is, given “You never walk alone”

https://www.voltairenet.org/article209749.html

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 29 2021 13:13 utc | 187

RE: RE: Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2021 13:39 utc | 152

On further incidence on "Julian Assange".

“It’s certainly astounding to have to plead for mercy for a completely innocent person who was in fact the one defending the law and human rights, a multi-award winning publisher who is accused of revealing war crimes and corruption. “

Perhaps a different perspective other than the concept of “justice” will illuminate ?

The conflation of “law” and “justice” is a very useful tool in cloaking the rule of some of the many and hence underpins the useful oxymoron of “representative democracy”.

In broad terms inherent within the decision that the “law” and lawyers need to consider is whether to attempt to encourage others' continued immersion in the conflation of “justice” and “law” to facilitate the continuation of illusions such as “representative democracy”, or to rely on the continuance of Mr. Rove obervation that “We are an Empire, we create our own reality to which others react” in order to deflect/misdirect/minimise challenge to the social relations of which the “justice”/”law” is a facilitator.

It is a derative of the dilema outlined by Mr. Shakespeare:

“To be , or not to be, that is the question
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer
the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
or take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them.
To die – to sleep, no more; and by a sleep to say we end
the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to:
tis a consumation devoutly to be wished.
To die, to sleep; to sleep perchance to dream – aye there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil.”

Since lawyers are engaged in a profession of facilitating conformance in some degree, the register and strategy of Mr. Fitzgerald is framed/informed – it would be impolite to introduce notions of real politik openly in such fora, but more cultured to catalyse the perceptions of others by reliance on precedent.

However as the outcomes facilitated by Mr. Hamlet illustrate, even in the short term blowback/collateral damage could not be avoided, and in the longer term Mr. Hamlet's illusions were not sustainable.

Times of trouble were not restricted to the times of Mr. Shakespeare or Gospodin Ivan Grozny, in English Czar Ivan the Terrible.

As ever opening Pandora's box exposes a womb of unexpected consequences to which some react by:

“To die, to sleep; to sleep perchance to dream – aye there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil.”

which does not only apply to “lawyers".

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 29 2021 13:16 utc | 188

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