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October 06, 2021

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In tandem with Crooke's essay I linked @167, Lavrov's address to the Association of European Businesses in Moscow yesterday must also be read for his scathing description of the horrid state of EU-Russian relations, which are no fault of Russia unless one's been brainwashed by EU propaganda. Why is that important? Well, as Crooke ably portrays, the EU having been cast adrift by the Outlaw US Empire has nowhere else to go if it wants to avoid becoming a backwater. Yes, Lavrov's testimony's long and goes deep to the point where sympathy arises for the mostly innocent business people having to endure his harangue. But as he makes very clear, the EU's political apparat is deaf or worse. Yet even so, Lavrov diplomatically says Russia is still willing to help the Europeans save themselves from the EU's actions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 18:59 utc | 201

"So since early 1900 when the US Army killed/disabled half the conscripts and volunteers before they left the USA for WWI until today - they have learned nothing."
uncle tungsten | Oct 8 2021 9:37 | 138

When you consider all the effort and malignant innovation applied to inflicting bio & chemical weapons covertly on opponents?

How ironic. The enemy didn't lift a finger while a sustained attack on itself did untold damage to troops too ignorant to appreciate the peril they were in. All this time!

Yet it reflects the total disregard for human life and safety in a consistent way. How utterly depraved.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 9 2021 19:17 utc | 202

Again, thank you Karl for all that you do.

One thing though....


our long proclaimed goals of forming a common space of prosperity and security from Lisbon to Vladivostok, or even Jakarta

Segey, what have you got against those of us in the Canary Islands?

Posted by: John Cleary | Oct 9 2021 19:26 utc | 203

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 18:59 utc | 201

Thanks for the link, just glancing at it, multitasking now with reading in second place, looks good I'll listen to it in a while.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 9 2021 20:01 utc | 204

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 18:59 utc | 201

From the Q&A section.

Question: You spoke in great detail about Nord Stream, about the situation on the markets and about the speech of the President of Russia. I wanted to comment that after the speech of the President of Russia, the markets reacted positively.

Sergey Lavrov: Let them listen more often.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 9 2021 20:24 utc | 205

John Cleary @203--

Thanks for your reply and also for the work you do!

Paco @204&5--

Thanks for your reply! Lots happening in Austria and the Czech Republic, Poland. But the pot needs to be stirred more.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 22:05 utc | 206

Two articles on the lobby in Australia:

"My experience as premier and foreign minister confirms that the lobbying exceeded that marshalled by any other diaspora community. As foreign minister on my first visit to the UN I released a very routine statement noting the latest burst of Israeli settlement activity, stating that it was not helpful to the peace process. From Australia arrived a request I make myself available for a telephone conference with “the community”.

https://johnmenadue.com/bob-carr-israel-lobbys-overreach-far-exceeded-any-other-diaspora-community/


"In a review of a new book by Edward Said, I reflected briefly on my own idealistic arrival in Israel at the age of 17, anticipating a socialist utopia and dancing the hora on the tarmac. Instead I was met by Ashkenazi Jews stamping my passport, Sephardi Jews sweeping the floors and Palestinians cleaning the toilets. It was a depressing introduction to a society mired in race and class divisions. My recollection of the experience in a book review prompted a personal visit from the Israeli ambassador demanding I refrain from “airing the community’s dirty linen in public”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/09/why-are-australia-and-its-media-so-fearful-of-debate-on-israels-treatment-of-palestinians

Posted by: Paul | Oct 9 2021 22:29 utc | 207

Taiwan's the issue again as Xi makes it a main topic of his speech marking the 110th anniversary of the 1911 Revolution, an event wholly embraced by Mainland China while Taiwanese separatists are giving it Woke treatment:

"Huang Chih-hsien, an attendee from Taiwan who witnessed Xi's speech at the Great Hall of the People and an expert on Taiwan affairs, told the Global Times on Saturday that 'it was truly touching when I saw the mainland is sincerely commemorating Sun and the 1911 Revolution, while the Taiwan authorities are trying to forget or stay away from Sun and his political ideals, some of them even trying to cut off ties with the Chinese mainland and Chinese nation.'"

For those not hip to China's history, the 1911 Revolution and the personage of Sun Yat-sen are vastly important to all Chinese, or at least they were until the Outlaw US Empire tutors of Taiwan's DPP told the to airbrush their past and sever all links to who they are--Chinese:

"The Revolution of 1911, which was initiated by revolutionists represented by Sun Yat-sen, ended the 2,000 years of imperial rule in China and paved the way for profound social changes and ideological emancipation. Sun is hailed as a great national hero, patriot and a great pioneer of China's democratic revolution."

Both the KMT and CPC sought Sun's blessings and heritage:

"The aspiration of national revitalization that was deeply held by Sun, longing for a bright future for the Chinese nation that was cherished by the pioneers of the Revolution, and the great dream that the Chinese people have aspired and striven toward in modern times have all become or are becoming a reality."

The article highlights several of Xi's main points in nice boxes that make deter copy/paste, but I'll provide two I think most important:

"The Taiwan Question arose out of the weakness and chaos of the Chinese nation, and it will be resolved as national rejuvenation becomes reality"

And:

"Those who forget their heritage, betray their Motherland, and seek to split the country will come to no good end. They will be disdained by the people and condemned by history."

That point by Xi got me to thinking about the South's secession, the US Civil War, and how history has since unfolded. Yes, there are vast differences but some similarities. For example, that Era's Superpower was the British Empire and it sided with the Southern Confederacy, although that's been very much toned down in our history texts. It was Britain's Great Game rival, Russia, that came to the aid of the North and helped deter British aid to the South. That interference wasn't forgotten, although Russia's assistance was, and the British were made to pay after WW1, although to be sure it made some very lasting inroads that now plague the Outlaw US Empire. My point being that Xi's assessment is correct, those aiding the foreign power's attempt to undermine China will lose out bigtime, although their deceit will probably be rewarded once they become exiles.

Scott Ritter's op/ed detailing the inability of the Outlaw US Empire to defend Taiwan is well timed. In response to recent events:

"[T]he US State Department spokesman Ned Price issued a statement. 'The United States is very concerned by the People’s Republic of China’s provocative military activity near Taiwan, which is destabilizing, risks miscalculations, and undermines regional peace and stability. We urge Beijing to cease its military, diplomatic, and economic pressure and coercion against Taiwan.'

"China’s Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying replied 'Taiwan belongs to China and the US is in no position to make irresponsible remarks. The relevant remarks by the US side seriously violate the one-China principle and the stipulations of the three China-US joint communiqués and send an extremely wrong and irresponsible signal.'"

As Xi politely demanded, this is China's internal business and no foreign interference will be allowed. Ritter's assessment makes a howler out of Ned Price's words:

"Ned Price might want to keep all of this in mind the next time he approaches the microphone to speak about defending Taiwan. He and the rest of the US government are writing checks with their mouths neither Taiwan nor the US military can cash. A better course of action would be to work with China and Taiwan toward the goal of peaceful unification which preserves intact the democratic system of government that exists in Taiwan." [My Emphasis]

IMO, Taiwanese must come to the realization they're in the same boat as Hong Kong was and remains. Politically, the island's almost evenly split between the forces of reunification and independence. For an economic perspective, reunification will bring many more rewards than independence. An din reality, independence is a chimera since it could only be guaranteed by becoming an Imperial vassal--and attempting to do so will only guarantee that China will use force to prevent such a stupid act.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 23:01 utc | 208

Another fact brought to the surface by Lavrov in his speech: NS's first string can only be filled to half its capacity because of EU regs, and the same regs will limit NS2 to only half its capacity. Yes, given the current amount of gas contracted, half capacity is okay, but it's painfully clear that the EU requires much higher volumes of Russia's gas, which is why NS2 was constructed. EU nations hooked up to TurkStream don't have to worry about such inane regs since the EU has no control over that pipeline. And as Lavrov also mentioned, the EU constructed numerous LNG terminals in order to get deliveries of LNG from the Outlaw US Empire. But those shipments went elsewhere and the multi-billion Euro terminals sit empty. I hope some European comedians are able to capitalize by ridiculing the EU's Anti-Russian and Energy policies, so Europeans can at least laugh some to ease their pain.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2021 23:32 utc | 209

John Cleary

Pardon my oblique post.

The Fahrenheit 451 was a reference to the combustion point of paper not a direct reference to the novel except in the sense that every record was destroyed. I have no idea if the Hitler records were kept in either Hamburg or Dresden. And Vonnegut just happened to be in Dresden as a pow at the time of the firebombing and later wrote a book referencing that extreme experience.

I am sometimes bleak and oblique it seems to calm the damaging experience of walking in the planet of insane empires.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 10 2021 2:56 utc | 210

karlof1 #209

And as Lavrov also mentioned, the EU constructed numerous LNG terminals in order to get deliveries of LNG from the Outlaw US Empire. But those shipments went elsewhere and the multi-billion Euro terminals sit empty.

It would not surprise me if in the next decade or so the energy system of fusion nuclear generation gets perfected by either Russia or China. Then they would really have the last laugh on the loony EU. Assuming the EU can survive that long.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 10 2021 3:03 utc | 211

Natural immunity, some countries accept it some don't:

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101

"Real world data have also been supportive.14 Several studies (in Qatar,15 England,16 Israel,17 and the US18) have found infection rates at equally low levels among people who are fully vaccinated and those who have previously had covid-19. Cleveland Clinic surveyed its more than 50 000 employees to compare four groups based on history of SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination status.18 Not one of over 1300 unvaccinated employees who had been previously infected tested positive during the five months of the study. Researchers concluded that that cohort “are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” In Israel, researchers accessed a database of the entire population to compare the efficacy of vaccination with previous infection and found nearly identical numbers. “Our results question the need to vaccinate previously infected individuals,” they concluded.17"

Posted by: Paul | Oct 10 2021 6:54 utc | 212

I frequently post interviews with Canada’s John Manley (former deputy PM, foreign minister during 9/11 when he was a passenger on the last plane to land in North America that day, arriving from Frankfurt) because he is a complete Anglo insider. The topics he raises frequently give insight into what is being discussed in powerful Anglo circles. In this interview, I think he manages to sound like both a libertarian (less govt spending) and a communist (the govt needs to partner with all actors in the economy).
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/economy-needs-to-shed-reliance-on-government-aid-manley-1.1663742

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 7:54 utc | 213

Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 7:54 utc | 213

GPPP; Global Public Private Partnership is probably the least "communist" or "socialist" thing you could find. Basically an Oligarchic dictatorship, which is designed to reduce democratic input. Is this what Manly is proposing? "Less" Government and more for the 1%?

One photo says it all - the members.
https://twitter.com/_InThisTogether/status/1445798082789056521/photo/1

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 10 2021 8:23 utc | 214

Stonebird, good point! I don’t know what he’s proposing, he didn’t give the specs. But he did talk of empowering the mom who’s making buying decisions for her family’s dinner, and how the economy consists of a composite of millions of decisions like that. That leads in a very different direction than to the 1 percent, doesn’t it? Interesting where he’s positioning this conversation.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 8:39 utc | 215

@uncle tungsten (210

Is this the 'oblique post' you're thinking of?

John Cleary #140

Thank you.

Perhaps there was a 'higher' purpose in the fire bombing of Dresden and Hamburg. Fahrenheit 451.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 9 2021 0:03 utc | 173


I was kinda confused at first, and then I read John Cleary's comment and, after piecing it together, figured that one purpose of the bombings, on top of others that may or may not have been discussed e.g. to show Stalin who's boss, was to erase the evidence that points to Britain supporting Hitler in case it goes public. Is this correct?

I kinda knew about Britain supporting Hitler early on, but the story about those documents in Dresden/Hamburg being destroyed was a new one for me.

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 10 2021 10:09 utc | 216

Maybe I shouldn't have said "on top of". Scratch that, should've said "aside from". Unless the first one is just as correct.

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 10 2021 10:11 utc | 217

Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 8:39 utc | 215

"Investor-friendly economy and vaccines for children"?.

Vague enough to be almost anything to everyone. I may be being a bit cruel as he could have the best of intentions. Or maybe not. These days it is hard to take any Politician at face value. As you say - an insider, so to consider carefully.

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 10 2021 10:11 utc | 218

Stonebird, I think he has no need to speak in public in order to display malicious intent towards the little people, does he? In fact, Manley is considered to be likeable, trustworthy in Canada. So that’s why he gets official ‘spokesman for Anglo inner circles’ duties, I guess. Former interviews suggest he only does these in order to transmit (leak) info to the common person. For what reason is anybody’s guess. (And with each interview I try to guess!!) These inner circle Anglo dudes are cagey; and in Canada, apparently, people want their kids vaccinated, or at least a large majority of them do, according to Nanos polls. (This country really has very little in common with the US Americans in some ways, even though we share geography and language.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 14:47 utc | 219

Just a quick add-on to my comment above, to talk about the government partnering with the mother who wants to buy a roast chicken for her family’s dinner is the Red Scare right there, isn’t it? Imagine the reply to Putin making a comment like that. Only the likes of a John Manley can get away with that in North America — I have no idea what the consequences are for harming him but they’re severe enough to allow him plenty of freedom of speech. So… why is he telling us all this??

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 10 2021 15:11 utc | 220

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 10 2021 10:09 utc | 216

I remember reading David Irvine's first book, 'The Destruction of Dresden' many decades ago, perhaps this book will help you together with Kurt Vonnegut's 'Slaughterhouse Five.'

Posted by: Paul | Oct 11 2021 6:48 utc | 221

Parents Have Peaked Behind the Curtain
https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/parents-have-peaked-behind-the-curtain

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 15 2021 22:54 utc | 222

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