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October 01, 2021

Iran Sanctions - How To Say F... Y.. In Diplomatese

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian's Regular Press Conference on September 24, 2021

Hubei Media Group: According to reports, on September 21, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi in his statement at the general debate of the UN General Assembly denounced US willful withdrawal from the JCPOA and its sanctions on Iran amid COVID-19. He also said all parities should faithfully implement the JCPOA and UN Security Council Resolutions. What is China's comment?

Zhao Lijian: China noted that President Raisi declared in his statement that "nukes have no place in our defence doctrine", called for all parties to stay true to the JCPOA, and said that dialogues aimed at removing all sanctions on Iran are beneficial. China appreciates this, and believes it shows Iran's constructive attitude of upholding the JCPOA and supporting negotiations to resume compliance.

China always believes that resuming full and effective implementation of the JCPOA meets common interests of all parties. As the one that started the new round of tensions in the Iranian nuclear situation, the US should redress its wrong policy of maximum pressure on Iran, lift all illegal sanctions on Iran and measures of long-arm jurisdiction on third parties, and work to resume negotiations and achieve outcomes at an early date. China will work with all parities and continue to make relentless efforts to bring the JCPOA back onto the right track.

Exclusive-U.S. has reached out to China about cutting oil imports from Iran, officials say - Reuters, September 28, 2021

The United States has reached out to China diplomatically about reducing its purchases of Iranian crude oil, U.S. and European officials said on Tuesday, as Washington seeks to persuade Tehran to resume talks about reviving the 2015 nuclear deal.

Purchases of Iranian oil by Chinese companies are believed to have helped keep Iran's economy afloat despite U.S. sanctions that are designed to choke off such sales to put pressure on Iran to curb its nuclear program.

"We are aware of the purchases that Chinese companies are making of Iranian oil," said a senior U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

"We have used our sanctions authorities to respond to Iranian sanctions evasion, including those doing business with China, and will continue to do so if necessary," he added.

"However, we have been approaching this diplomatically with the Chinese as part of our dialogue on Iran policy and think that, in general, this is a more effective path forward to address our concerns," the official said.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying's Regular Press Conference on September 29, 2021

TASS News Agency: According to Reuters, the United States has reached out to China diplomatically about reducing its purchases of Iranian crude oil. It is said that this was one of the issues raised by US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman when she visited China in late July. Do you have any comments on this information?

Hua Chunying: China's position is clear and consistent on normal economic and trade cooperation between China and Iran. China and Iran always conduct cooperation following the commercial principles with equality, mutual benefit and win-win results within the framework of international law. We firmly oppose any unilateral sanction, and urge the US to remove the so-called "long-arm jurisdiction" over third-party entities and individuals as soon as possible.

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From Wikipedias current events-page:

"September 30, 2021 (Thursday)
[...]
Nuclear program of Iran
European Union diplomat Josep Borrell says that nuclear talks will resume "soon" at an acceptable time period. (Reuters)
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warns that Iran is running out of time to return to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action signed in 2015. (Bloomberg.com)"

I increasingly wonder of this is a coordinated effort of Iran and the other JCPOA-members (including the EU) in order to pressure Washington.

Posted by: m | Oct 1 2021 8:57 utc | 1

There are two big things here: The Biden Admin is following Trump's maximum pressure campaign and there is no difference in its demands: Iran must forced to cave on things fully legal under international law (such as disarm its ballistic missiles).

Thus, this is a clear violation of international law by the Biden Admin.

Two, the EU also supports the so called "maximum pressure campaign" while hiding behind the US back, even though it was started by the "terrible anti-european Trump", something many failed to understand.

The European official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the nuclear diplomacy, said China has been protecting Iran and suggested one of the main issues for the West is how much oil China is buying from Iran.

In other news, europeans believe that no country should by oil from Iran, which is a clear violation of the JCPOA and international law.

Why? Two things happened. First, EU caved miserably on the iranian issue to the US. And second, EU (which is a slow learner) started to finally understand that it and its master are declining, and multipolarity rising in the world, and started to violently lash out in hatred against any country that is independent and not a puppet like itself.

EU worships order and for it, anyone who is trying to be independent is trying to create a disorder. Thus, it is better to be a servant living in an order, than to be independent living in disorder (supposedly), the way they see it.

As the German Handelsblatt worries: “Europe is a crisis continent … It is now a very fragile entity, it is in danger of splitting … In this state Europe simply cannot afford to break with America, however difficult and humiliating this may be."

Posted by: Passer by | Oct 1 2021 9:05 utc | 2

The EU amounts to nothing precisely because of its subservience to the US, because this means the EU only fully pursues its self-interest when it is also the US interest.

When you compound this with the fact, that EU members only pursue their own interest when it is also the interest of a higher-ranking member... the result is that the EU is a fully retarded hydra constantly chomping on itself, a few heads being marginally less retarded don't change the picture much.

Inevitable result of artificial, liberal attempts at super-state building that's neither here nor there.

Posted by: Misotheist | Oct 1 2021 9:34 utc | 3

I increasingly wonder of this is a coordinated effort of Iran and the other JCPOA-members (including the EU) in order to pressure Washington.

Posted by: m | Oct 1 2021 8:57 utc | 1

That would be nice, but I have not noticed that any of the big-deal western "diplomats" actually listen to anybody. They just like to talk, repeat the same cliches over and over.

That is the first thing I notice about B's little exchange, nobody is listening.

The Chinese at least are not listening on purpose.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 1 2021 9:35 utc | 4

You are unlilaterally defeating our unlilater actions. Stop it!

Posted by: YesXorNo | Oct 1 2021 9:40 utc | 5

For all these bleeding hearts who hated Trump , just because he was Trump and loved Obama and Hillary just because they were who they were and thought the dumb fuck thief of Ukraine, demented Joe, is some kind of messiah - I agree with b, F.Y!!!

As the Empire defecates it’s pants under a Max Pressure blow back - such talk from the State Department is worrying.
It is like some mad comic book villain or gangster who has nothing to lose and starts talking quietly, often to themselves, before going Postal and having a mass murdering blow out...

If I was Russia, China, Iran or anyone of these countries that would be collateral damage in such a frenzied bully boy mafioso attack - I’d be getting my Rabid Mad Dog, Man Killer Tiger, Rampaging Bull Elephant - Gun loaded and pointed at the first sign of rampaging attack!

Everyone knows where Wendy Houses they all live in way way behind the front lines of murder they daily commit. May be time to take a few of them out in their mega gated estates far from the crowds.

From personal experience learnt from school as a puny 12 year old - when you stand up to a bully twice your size and slap him in the face - it brings tears to his eyes! And everyone stops copycating his bullying.

Posted by: D.G. | Oct 1 2021 10:19 utc | 6


Posted by: D.G. | Oct 1 2021 10:19 utc | 6

From personal experience learnt from school as a puny 12 year old - when you stand up to a bully twice your size and slap him in the face - it brings tears to his eyes! And everyone stops copycating his bullying.

I seem to remember something like that by Iran missiling Al Asad Airbase. That, followed by the astonishing US exit strategy from Afghanistan, must be making significant numbers of countries, or parts of their populations, question, perhaps for the first time, just how long the unipolar strategy of the US has got left to go.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 1 2021 10:40 utc | 7

Biden's belated attempt to restart a cold war with China is too late. 20 years ago, China would never have dared to openly make such defiant comments. The first visible crack in the US empire was their inaction in Syria, but soon the whole of West Asia will wake up to the retreat of US influence and momentum will grow for change. Israel is on the back foot with nowhere to go other than brutalising young men in the West Bank.

Posted by: aniteleya | Oct 1 2021 10:46 utc | 8

@MoA

Side issue: EU energy crisis.

Genuine incompetence, geopolitics over common sense logistics, or 'Putin's revenge' in the making?

No hot water in my whole apartment for a week. HV says waiting on stock on broken parts... it's not even winter yet.

Call me a cynic, but one wonders how many other German/EU/UK buildings will experience similar 'technical problems' to cover for gas/energy shortages this winter?

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2021 11:18 utc | 9

*Apartment Building ±30 units

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2021 11:30 utc | 10

More straws on the camel's back.

Increased oil trade (oil constitutes the greatest single trade worldwide) outside the USD is a pressure on all other oil producers to lean in a similar direction: Russia has been key in shifting things. The US's strength -world's reserve currency- is also its weak spot.

Posted by: Seer | Oct 1 2021 11:57 utc | 11

do Renault-Nissan problems, and Gaddafi’s intervention in the PIGO exploitation of Africa relate to Iran Sanctions?

Asking <= how did PIGOs gained nearly complete and coordinated control over 256 nation state governments?
Governments no longer worry about obligations to their respective governed domestic sheep, governance has become host to global industries, politicians are paid to use the resources of the nation state to host he PIGO owned industry. Protecting hosted industries has become the business of the host nation state.
As a result, entire nations are destroyed from outside IOT eliminate a competitive industry the defeated nation once hosted.

Pointing in this still hazy fog, I wonder was Gaddafi's Libia destroyed because Gaddafi engineered in Africa great feats, that cut the EU PIGO extraction of African wealth to zero, in Lebanon was the PIGO target the automobile industry, and so on.. Here we are looking at Oil and Iran's ability to sell it.. Hence, we might have an explanation for why the pharmaceutical industry thought it could extract its profits from the people who live in the entire world and why no government can go against those demands?

Does anyone know of another who has expressed such an idea?

Hazy though my vision is, I see war between these different nation state to be predicated on the location of the target global industry..and the cause for wars to be propaganda designed to established narrative on some unfounded fault of the leadership of the nation state?

Side effects of war between privately-owned global-in-reach, monopoly-powered industries [<=themselves owned by PIGOs (private Imperial Global Oligarchs)] result, as collateral damage, in destruction or at least regime change in nations that host an industry that becomes a target competitor of a nation state hosted industry.

For the sheep the propaganda makes it the war between the people of the nation states for some moral purpose. But war between nations hide the true subject of the war. The war is a private event, conducted between PIGOs, who own the global industries. Collateral damage is what happens to the national governments and its people when these between PIGO wars occur.

Have a look at revolution and war are transitions from one ruling class to another

Understanding this, explains the strong support for daily news reports on MSM media, the fake reason for the wars must be made to look important and real..

Alternative media has a great opportunity to replace the MSM it need only share its globally acquired information with a central news agency capable to provide alternative news casts and local weather to local serves located over the net at times and in locations that compete with what is called MSM national news. syndication ..

Alternative media need only take the audiences from the MSM to become the main stream.

Posted by: snake | Oct 1 2021 12:03 utc | 12

Neighbouring Pakistan is suffering under another type of foreign influence : CPEC non-transparancy

"That the bulk of Chinese financing for CPEC schemes comprises expensive commercial loans isn’t the only worrisome aspect. What is more troubling is that as much as 40pc of Chinese loans have been disbursed in a way that blurs the distinction between private and public debt, ‘doing away’ with the need for its disclosure as public debt. Further, Islamabad has given an “explicit or implicit … government liability protection” to Chinese investors in the form of sovereign guarantees or guaranteed returns on equity. This means that the government will repay loans from its own sources if public and private borrowers can’t meet their financial obligations.
Then, about half of all Chinese finance has come in the form of ‘export buyer’s credit’ or the money lent by Chinese institutions to Pakistan to facilitate the purchase of equipment and goods to be bought by Chinese implementation partners. That is why almost all CPEC projects are awarded to Chinese contractors without competitive international bidding, which could have saved Pakistan millions of dollars. Lastly, we are also not aware of the amount of tax waivers and exemptions given to Chinese firms executing public or private projects."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1649464/transparency-needed

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 1 2021 12:29 utc | 13

Seems you have made a habit of committing defecation to the screen, this type of trash will only lower you here, as on the site there are lot of savvy and intelligible people to subscribe to your tripe! Try your luck on Zero Hedge, China bashing is flavour of the month. Pakistan always been as transparent as mud.

Posted by: Grishka | Oct 1 2021 12:58 utc | 14

It's Pathetically Disgusting, considering the Energy/Development/MIC Deal CHN+IRN+PRK made earlier amongst themselves.

IIRC, this Deal made doesn't force IRN to give up their Sovereignty over their Territory, or "Force" IRN to sell their Petroleum+NatGas exclusively in USD or CNY to 3rd Parties.

This Sad Excuse for "Diplomacy" involve the PetroUSD Scheme being circumvented for Global Trade, CHN the World's Largest Combined Petroleum+NatGas Importer, and the PetroCNY-Au Scheme becoming accessible to a Major Petro+NatGas Producer.

Pity LBY's Quaddafi didn't consult with CHN before announcing his Petro_Au-Dinar Scheme. Sotero-Obammy,RED-QUEEN_Hillary, PNAC7_Planners, Sarkozy(Tribal who rcvd Personal Funding from Quaddafi for his Election Campaign), and other Murderous NATO-Thugs who helped bring LBY to Ruin should Burn in Hell.

Epic Diplomatic ClusterFail

Posted by: IronForge | Oct 1 2021 13:32 utc | 15

I wouldn't be surprised if IRN start selling CHN+PRK+Others Reactor Fuel.

That would begin Classifying ISR's Attacks on IRN's Nuke Facilities into the "International Nuclear Sabotage/Theft Terror" Category...

In a British-Israelism, Zio-Masonic Bond-Villain Terms,

SPECTRE
Sayanim+PetroUSD Exploitation/Corruption/Terrorism/Racketeering Enterprise

Posted by: IronForge | Oct 1 2021 14:20 utc | 16

Qatar just signed a long-term supply deal for a significant amount of LNG with China’s CNOOC. The gas is to be extracted from Qatar's North field. Does this mean that if Europe wants to meet internal demand in the future, it is going to have to arrange a deal with Iran for the supply of LNG from Iran's South Pars field.? What will Washington do if Europe does enter into such a deal? Will Brussels provide for the citizens of the member countries or will it allow them to freeze every winter by not buying LNG from Iran.
BTW, Iran's South Pars gas field is the same as Qatar's North field but is exploited separately. How will Iran get its fair share of the gas?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Oct 1 2021 14:24 utc | 17


Doesn't matter whether it's Democrat or Republican, American or European, left or right....when it comes to Iran they all execute the same policy.

The entire West vs Iran is in fact Israel vs Iran. JCPOA or FATF (?) are mere footnotes and smokescreens.

Posted by: Afgun | Oct 1 2021 14:34 utc | 18

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According to Reuters, the United States has reached out to China diplomatically about reducing its purchases of Iranian crude oil. It is said that this was one of the issues raised by US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman when she visited China in late July.

So Jewed-up AmeriKKKa sent its Irano-phobic Deputy Secretary of State, Wendy Sherman, to 'dissuade' China from buying Iranian oil? Was that a coincidence or a cohen-cidence?
One wonders how much longer the Jewed-up Christians will be able to keep making stuff up about Iran's Nuke program without mentioning "Israel?"
Will China mention "Israel" before the Christians do?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 1 2021 15:21 utc | 19

Events are moving the world away from the US "rules-based international order" i.e. US hegemony, and back to the United Nations concept that "The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members." That means no unilateral sanctions of one country against another, on the proposition that some countries are more equal than others.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2021 15:27 utc | 20

Pretty hilarious actually. Empire is reduced to temper-tantrum begging.

And yes, when will Israel's fetish toward Iran become the issue, instead of the death by a thousand lies pointed toward Persia.

The only question left imo is whether Empire will wage kinetic war against the 'commies' in China. Common sense, rationality and the surrender of greed is a bridge too far for the insane folk at the top of the imperial pyramid scheme.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 1 2021 15:48 utc | 21

thanks b....

i share @ 2 passer by and @ 21 gottliebs viewpoints...

and, again this supports my own and other posters like jackrabbit would say there is no difference no matter who is in power in the usa... they all serve the us$ empire and israel full stop and without question.... same deal europe, canada, australia and etc. etc.. a bunch of followers.. all of them..

Posted by: james | Oct 1 2021 16:18 utc | 22

If only other countries defied the US on trading with what the USA sees as its enemies, countries that are not the enemies of other nations, but they fear sanctions by the US. Sanctions on the likes of Iran and Venezuela and Cuba are of course war just by other means.

The USA has also used sanctions on individuals like those within the ICC for exposing and threatening to pursue US war crimes. These sanctions have worked as the ICC has intimated that it will now drop the investigation.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 1 2021 16:35 utc | 23

Everything will be fine, so long as them Schmucks keep taking US Dollars in trade.


Posted by: Carl D | Oct 1 2021 16:50 utc | 24

@9 - re: hot water, gas, etc

Much better it breaks now than middle of winter! It sounds like a case of the worldwide parts delays more so than energy.

But with the coal and natural gas, it really has been the perfect storm.

With recent events, China stopped buying Australian coal, and has consequently driven up short term prices. Price of thermal coal is almost all transport, so while the new shape of the transport chain comes together it's all a mess. A year or two from now it will be forgotten, but now it's a problem. This puts even more pressure on natural gas everywhere between London and Tokyo.

As a result, also look for China to move faster on Power of Siberia II, even before the first one reaches the planned level in 2025. Unlike Siberia I, Siberia II would go to the Yamal fields, which means by the end of the decade, China would be bidding directly against EU for the same gas.

Posted by: ptb | Oct 1 2021 17:02 utc | 25

The Oil Drum was a website devoted to matters petroleum and I recall one post outlining the history and players and their overwhelming impact on human life. The website has been gone about 10 years but that post I saved for future reference...I lost it along w my summary notes about it. It was called Petroleum Game or sg like that.

Anyone recall it? It demo'd how oil was vital and how Rockefeller and The Crown et al essentially dominated and used petro as a political tool [weaponized it] for world control of human affairs... And noted that it was perhaps the only tool to rival banking for that purpose...and that is why banking and oil joined force about 1900 [Morgan-Rockefeller et al].

I posted my crude drafts of it rewritten in short form. It was sorta wild composition. Would like to find it to review its off-the-wall accuracy. One version linked to the 16th century Hakluyts re global resource management.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 1 2021 17:11 utc | 26

Regarding sanctions, what's never reported and too seldom realized is that sanctions affect parties other than the sanctions target. There are the secondary targets, because any sanctions on a seller also affect the buyer. And there are tertiary effects on transporting, banking, etc. as well as on the logistics train of sanctioned items.
So sanctions on Iran not only please Israel, but they also give a financial hit to two major US commercial competitors, Europe and China. Finally, sanctions have been proven to have little effect, and usually an opposite effect, on the target countries.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2021 17:53 utc | 27

Some important points that we need to take into account when tlaking about the EU and Japan:

1) A number of countries have been occupied by the US since WW2 (55,000 in Japan, 35,000 in Germany, 12,500 in Italy, 9,500 in UK, 3,000 in Spain). These are a gun held to the head of the local governments, as well as very large bases from which "accidents" and "political troubles" can be made to happen for politicians who stray from the US line too much.

2) The US has demonstrated that it has absolutely no ethics in destroying European corporations for its capitalist class's gain or "to send a message" (Alstom forced to sell power and grid businesses to GE (see "The American Trap"), US$8.9 billion against BNP for trading with Iran, repeated threats to remove US bank licenses from EU banks - which would remove them from the US$ payments system, etc. etc.). This includes arresting specific senior individuals and threatening them with life in jail on trumped up charges.

3) The US forcibly remade the political economy of Germany and Japan (and to a lesser extent France and Italy) and built its own power structures within them post-WW2, that it maintains through many, many formal and informal networks. This produces the US-lovers so prominent in senior political and economic positions.

The EU is the captive of the US and will go down with it, any big move toward Russia and/or China would be met with a "no holds barred" response from the US (and the UK) with whichever country(ies) that made the move being dumped into an anarchic like situation, together with the possibility of senior politicians/businessmen's families being targeted on trumped-up charges, or just suicided. The US knows that if it loses Europe it loses the whole game.

You can see how deferential Europe is when news that the US (with the help of Denmark) bugged Merkel's personal phones creates no response other than weak remonstrations from the German government. As the US declines the acceptable range of actions for Europe and Japan will decrease, I will only believe that they are fowling and independent path when they throw out the occupying troops.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 1 2021 18:00 utc | 28

Last sentence should say "following an independent path", autocorrect seems to have a sense of humour.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 1 2021 18:02 utc | 29

chu teh @26--

I recall that article. Have you plowed through TOD Archives?

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A Big Picture discussion has occurred between Michael Hudson and Thomas Piketty, and its transcript is published at The Saker's website. Those familiar with Hudson will see he advances nothing new:

"Without dealing with this structure [neoliberal capture of government], the economic system is going to shrink and shrink. We’ve seen this before. We saw it in Rome, the same polarization and concentration of wealth in the Roman Empire. Well, the last stage of that was feudalism. We’re back to what Rosa Luxemburg said, 'The choice is between socialism and barbarism.' There’s no other way to do it. You can’t solve the problems within the existing system, because it’s controlled by the 1%."

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2021 18:05 utc | 30

Several have alluded to this salient fact: By not doing their duty to uphold the JCPOA and stand by Iran, the EU nations involved effectively burned any future attempts to build bridges, which was a huge mistake that is already causing problems. As Diesen showed so well, Europe is now dependent on Eurasia, and that dependency will only increase over time. The Hungarians kept their independence and don't seem upset at being tied to Eurasia. China already controls development of the Iranian part of the Pars gas field and its deal with Qatar furthers its access. This article about the deal provides this crucial fact:

"Earlier this month, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller characterised China’s projected gas consumption of 360 billion cubic meters per year, and plans to increase imports from 160 billion cubic meters now to 300 billion cubic meters per year by 2023, as 'staggering.'"

Pipelinestan/BRI enables another energy coup.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2021 18:32 utc | 31

The death of the JCPOA seems imminent. The US/EU crowd wants further prohibitions added to it, which definitely won't be accepted by Iran. Iran has a new conservative president, more tuned in to the Supreme Leader who never did trust the US. Iran is now in the SCO with excellent connections to China, with the BRI, looking at Iran's key geographical position. Finally, the 'big mo' in the world is toward multipolar, and the JCPOA is so yesterday in that regard. So the death of the JCPOA is a good thing. Iran gets its sovereignty back and deserves to do so.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2021 20:39 utc | 32

This is a twofer. You say you reach out to China — your top enemy — in order to get your other enemy Iran. In the end you say: It was the Chinese that didn’t allow us to defeat Iran. Got them both, with one shot.
Well done. Indeed, dastardly, but well done.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 1 2021 22:14 utc | 33

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2021 18:05 utc | 30

Thx your tip re TOD...found a version as comment by reddot under 2007 article by Jerome a Paris. It is 1 of several long versions or rewrites. BTW a huge clue to topmost oligarch intentions is the reference to 16th century Hakluyts as Crown agency to begin global resource surveys. If anyone cares to pursue this, go to

http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2222

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 1 2021 23:52 utc | 34

I suspect a US strike on Iran will be billed as a retaliation against China by cutting of Iranian oil exports to China.

Removes Israeli influence from the equation.

Posted by: Kevin | Oct 2 2021 0:52 utc | 35

Many years ago, the Narcissus Maximus (aka Obama Barak H.) admin was still young, China essentially gave in to US treats of sanctions on its oil businesses. China basically threw Iran under the proverbial bus.

Peter Lee, @Chinahand had written a few articles on the subject for Asia Times, most seem to have vanished (Asia Times destroyed those archives). One articles he managed to repost on his China Matters blog: You Like the Iran Nuclear Deal? Thank China.

Hopefully the PRC has taken more solid preventive measures this time…

Posted by: phiw13 | Oct 2 2021 1:14 utc | 36

@ Kevin 35
I suspect a US strike on Iran will. . .

Ain't gonna happen. The US has had "all options on the table" all the Obama years, and that was never done. For one reason, there are 50,000 US troops and some dependents at bases around the Persian Gulf, sitting ducks for Iran's considerable missile arsenal.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2021 2:11 utc | 37

Iran has shown the world that a country targeted by the US sanctions, for over forty years in Iran's case, can stand up and defy the oppressor. It's been a lesson for the larger nations like China.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2021 2:17 utc | 38

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2021 2:17 utc | 38

Iran has shown the world that a country targeted by the US sanctions, for over forty years in Iran's case, can stand up and defy the oppressor. It's been a lesson for the larger nations like China.

And conversely, I would point out that the world has witnessed (yet another) demonstration of what it costs to stand up and defy the oppressor.

Call me the resident wet blanket, but I tend to believe that US aggression ought to be exposed and denounced. The devastation wrought on Iran is very real.

This topic ties into the Taiwanese ADIZ article and the discussions focusing exclusively on direct US - China confrontation. In my opinion, the US can, and will, target 3rd parties to impact the continent as a whole. Today's dominant narrative is certainly conducive to actions against Iranian shipping anywhere in the world. Couldn't this strategy be extended to other suppliers? I'm pretty confident the marketers could create an African enemy du jour in less than a month.

Posted by: robin | Oct 2 2021 7:41 utc | 39

this is a really really big S-T-F-U to the USA:

"...China and Iran always conduct cooperation following the commercial principles with equality, mutual benefit and win-win results within the framework of international law...."

the USA follows none of these principles in fact, only in the fiction which it constantly creates with its government-media propaganda.

the biggest of these is the joke that the US follows international law.

bwaaaahahaha


Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 2 2021 8:49 utc | 40

What always astounds me is how empires never learn to quit before they are disgracefully smashed. I believe intelligent people all around the world, including the Zionist provocateur, knows fully well that the sun of the USA empire has begun to set, yet nobody has the courage to tell it to give it up.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 2 2021 11:31 utc | 41

This will have a huge impact on the region, B should cover it. Looks like Turkey is going to do a massive arms deal with Russia and pretty much destroy the relationship with the US and NATO. More utter stupidity and arrogance from the US, feeding straight into the patient and respectful hands of Putin. Seems they are unable to learn from experience.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/10/us-turkey-alliance-breaking-point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OH5wnBWjJw

Posted by: Roger | Oct 2 2021 17:53 utc | 42

“Iran Sanctions - How To Say F... Y.. In Diplomatese”

RE: Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2021 20:39 utc | 32

“The death of the JCPOA seems imminent.
 The US/EU crowd wants further prohibitions added to it, which definitely won't be accepted by Iran. “

“Exceptionalists” are subject to many illusions including that they are “the indispensible nation in everything” facilitating the illusions inherent in the 2 lines quoted above, not shared by non-exceptionalists.

The life of the JCPOA is not predicated on the agreement of “The US/EU” but facilitates additional opportunities for:

The US to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the EU.

The EU to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the US.

The EU to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the EU.

The US to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the US.

whilst Eurasia continues/expands the integration of JCPOA into its relationships without resort to fanfare.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 3 2021 10:10 utc | 43

Part of wider perspective:

The current EU natural gas prices is a confluence of objective factor, and strategic stupidity of key EU players. On many matters, EU is divided into key players and the sheep. The sheep may be unruly on their petty matters, but on strategic issues they follow.

One strategic decision was to force sellers and buyers of natural gas into market mechanisms to avoid monopoly powers. That facilitates huge price drops like we have seen during peak COVID months, but also has a reverse side. The huge price drop during COVID months wreck havoc among small producers, like fracking companies in USA, but that reduced capacity shows the reverse side of business cycle, with years of huge losses for commodity producers alternate with huge profits. One could argue that this is a good thing, or not. But it is EU rules that prevent large buyers to rely on long term contracts too much, I heard no more than 50%. Now that spot market is not driving prices below production costs but to the stratosphere, the negative side shows up.

There are many appearances that the rules were designed to reduce Russian influence, long term contracts can bestow favors and withdraw them. Appearances are explicit invocation of that in the articles on the topic. Now Gasprom increased supplies only as much as to capitalize on current prices without depressing them, of course, it is debatable how much more it could decrease, were it inclined to provide a few extra hundreds of millions of Euros to Ukraine that conducts hostile and spiteful anti-Russian policies. While such considerations should not enter the realm of economic relationship, EU itself uses them to the hilt, like sanctions on Belarus -- did Belarus invade anyone? Nevertheless, Gasprom and Putin government are quite circumspect.

Afore mentioned policies, sanctions provoking unfriendly attitudes that MAY MATTER, and forcing reliance on commodity exchanges would not be stupid if EU would foster a variety of alternative supplies. After all, this is precisely what locking demand in long term contracts could be preventing. But it is not like Martians could jump at such sweet commercial opportunities, one has to trade with Earthling, and among them, only those who have large exportable amounts of NG.

Apart from Russia and Turkmenistan (the latter under the combined boot of Russia and China, tied by long term contracts and other constraints to China), there are three major sources: USA frackers, Qatar and, potentially, Iran. By de-facto cooperating with True (and now, Biden), Iran was knocked out of consideration. Qatar has no aversion to long term contracts, and neither do its partners in Asia. And American frackers are too fragile to survive huge price drop without loosing at least some capacity, and the exportable amount varies quite widely because of internal demand.

Right now, on the supply side, EU experienced a large drop in LNG supplies. 25% drop is huge with inflexible demand, and imagine that Iran were free in the previous 12 years or more to become a supplier at par with Qatar? Mind you, there are many other losses from that idiotic attitude.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2021 11:05 utc | 44

I misspelled Trump as True. Throttling the development of Iran was a consistent American policy since the fall of the Shah, and with the advent of the export opportunities in LNG and oil, it became sensible if very selfish. But EU is on the receiving side of American policy of fostering exports by knocking out competition, not to mention assorted piracies that USA commits under the umbrella of sanctions.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2021 11:12 utc | 45

F... Y.. In Diplomatese <-- ??

In my mother tongue, F..Y..(however you expand the dots) would not work in this context, even if you want to be impolite. One would use a phrase with "mordę w kubeł", roughly "face in/into a bucket" with an implicit verb that can be explicit, mostly "put" or "keep". Bucket is presumably full of water, making oral communication difficult (typing is hard too...). Usually translated as "shut your trap" (I am guessing that "trap" as an impolite word for a face, like "morda").

In this way, we convey our attitude while we also indicate our wishes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2021 14:21 utc | 46

RE: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2021 11:05 utc | 44

“strategic decision “

To make a strategic decision facility in creating strategies is a requirement.

Strategies require facilities in assessing the interactions of others and possible consequences of the interactions of others – in the vernacular – what is for afters?

Consequently “The United States of America” relied/relies on tactics, which they seek to misrepresent as “strategies”, predicated on the hope that the interactions of others will be manageable, including by not being interpreted by those “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident” that the interactions of others cannot be rendered manageable.

“But EU is on the receiving side of American policy of fostering exports by knocking out competition, not to mention assorted piracies that USA commits under the umbrella of sanctions. “

Change is a constant in any interaction with variability in trajectories and velocities – consequently what is for afters is important.

Drowning men tend to drown faster by being bound to drowning others, including by striking out at others drowning.

Hence:

The life of the JCPOA is not predicated on the agreement of “The US/EU” but facilitates additional opportunities for:

The US to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the EU.
The EU to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the US.
The EU to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the EU.
The US to say and continue/expand the practices of “Fuck you” to the US.

“whilst Eurasia continues/expands the integration of JCPOA into its relationships without resort to fanfare.” including not saying “Fuck you” , whilst implementing strategies to facilitate “Fuck you” and the continuance of the illusions of “The United States of America” and “The EU”.

"In this way we do not convey our attitude while we also do not indicate our belief in/resort to "wishes".

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 3 2021 15:26 utc | 47

MagdaTam, I'm curious as to what motivates your participation on this forum. Are you looking to exchange ideas and engage in discussion? It's a fair question and maybe you have different intentions. Perhaps you simply enjoy showcasing your writing and aren't expecting much in terms of replies. But in case you are looking for discussion, I would recommend you try a different approach.

This may come as a surprise, but I find you hard to follow. I'll spot interesting tags (like JCPOA) and try in earnest to work my way through the convoluted sentences but, finding them as sapid as contractual fine print, will give up fairly quickly. Who willingly reads legalese?

Another recommendation: perhaps you could provide a key to some of the innuendos. When I first read "Canada" some time ago, I thought, hmm, oh OK I get it, "Canada" as in the 51st state. Heh, silly Canucks think they actually have their... wait, what's this? "The United States of America" is also in quotes. Now I'm confused and have this image of Mike Myers talking about "lasers". I forgot what this was about and simply scroll down.

Posted by: robin | Oct 3 2021 18:32 utc | 48

An eventual just outcome ... Iran, because of China's help, continues to comply with the JCPOA and NPT. And China becomes powerful enough to levy international sanctions against the U.S. for violating the JCPOA.

Wouldn't that make the likes of Maria Bartiromo and many others, head explode.
Because by definition, the U.S. is untouchable. Applying rules to us is sacrilige.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Oct 4 2021 0:39 utc | 49

RE: Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Oct 4 2021 0:39 utc | 49

“An eventual just outcome  “

Some might tend towards just a moment.

Partly why some never complained about plain bulkas without salt.

“Because by definition, the U.S. is untouchable. Applying rules to us is sacrilige. “

No – almost a constant with the complicity of “untouchables”.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 4 2021 15:00 utc | 50

RE: Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2021 15:27 utc | 20

“ that some countries are more equal than others. “

That is verging on the libellous.

The organising principle of the opponents is:

“Four legs good, Two legs better”.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 4 2021 15:16 utc | 51

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