Biden Rejects Claims That He Wants To Return To The Nuclear Deal With Iran

October 30, 2021

The Biden administration is not willing to return to the original nuclear deal with Iran. It wants a much different deal that it can then use to further pressure Iran into more, unrelated concessions. That strategy will fail.

Iran knows that the U.S. is not serious about returning to the JCPOA.

These few headlines are sufficient to explain that:

Sep 24 – US implores Iran to return to nuke talks without delay – AP
Oct 7 – US Calls for Iran to Make ‘Imminent’ Return to Nuclear Deal Talks – Antiwar
Oct 27 – Iran says it's returning to nuclear deal talks after stalling for months – Yahoo
Oct 27 – As Iran agrees to return to nuclear talks, US urges it to show ‘good faith’ – AFP

Urges to show 'good faith' …

Oct 29 – US hits Iran with sanctions ahead of key nuke talks meeting – AP

> The United States on Friday hit Iran with a fresh set of sanctions as President Joe Biden prepares for a key weekend meeting with European leaders to discuss the possible resumption of nuclear talks with the Islamic Republic.

The Treasury Department announced the new penalties against two senior members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps and two affiliated companies for supplying lethal drones and related material to insurgent groups in Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen and to Ethiopia, which has been fighting rival Tigray forces for almost a year.
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Friday's sanctions block any assets that those targeted may have in U.S. jurisdictions, bar Americans from transactions with them and, perhaps more importantly, also subject foreign people and firms that do business with them to potential penalties.
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The two firms, the Kimia Part Sivan Co. and the Oje Parvaz Mado Nafar Co., along with the latter's managing director, were sanctioned for supplying engines and technical assistance to the drone programs, Treasury said. <

The new sanctions will of course make the negotiations even more difficult if not impossible. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the Biden administration is not really interested in closing a deal. It has however no alternative if it wants to at least somewhat limit Iran's nuclear program. A war against Iran would end with a defeat of the U.S. and its allies in the Middle East.

Posted by b on October 30, 2021 at 16:07 UTC | Permalink

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Well, gee. Since the only deal possible is simple return to the JCPOA as written, of course Biden doesn’t want a deal. The whole idea of a negotiation is ludicrous. There is nothing to negotiate and you can’t negotiate with someone who won’t keep his word.

Posted by: Michael Doliner | Oct 30 2021 16:16 utc | 1

Many commentators talk about how the US will loose or can’t win a war here and there or most anywhere. I, by and large, agree except for nuclear weapons. What war, Taiwan, Iran, DPRK would not go nuclear almost immediately? If there was conflict over Taiwan and the Chinese sunk one or more US or allied aircraft carriers causing thousands of deaths and the loss of 10 billion dollar ships would not the US respond with nuclear weapons? I would say the chances are very high.
Further, should the Western empire decide to use its nuclear weapons they will go all out and risk nuclear winter for a final victory. These are the same people who destroyed hundreds of thousands of innocent lives by using nuclear weapons on two cities and there is no reason to believe they would not use them again.
The greatest threat to the human civilizations of this world is the use of nuclear weapons by the criminals of the West. The job of the rest of humanity, the great Indian civilization, the great Asian/Chinese civilization and an uprising in the Western civilization to defeat the Western empire while keeping them from destroying the earth and spoil it if they can’t own it.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Oct 30 2021 16:30 utc | 2

It will take a long time for the US to get over their “unipolar moment”, in the meantime they will act like fools who do not understand the new reality – which they will be dragged kicking and screaming towards. The Anglo elite will find it so hard to have to treat Persians, Chinese and Russians with respect; and perhaps learn a thing or two from.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 30 2021 16:35 utc | 3

It reminds me of a con-man trying to work a mark.
Iran just said it will return to negotiations, so this is probably intended to prevent that.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2021 16:40 utc | 4

from Tehran Times

. . .As things stand, Iran and the 4+1 group of countries are likely to sit at the negotiating table again in the coming weeks. But this doesn’t mean that resuming the talks is a silver bullet. Quite the opposite, Europe and the United States will likely discover that Washington’s unwillingness to remove the sanctions and its insistence on “lengthening” the JCPOA has made it even more difficult to revive a deal increasingly losing its relevance to Iran and its economy. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2021 16:41 utc | 5

Biden’s just like the neighborhood bully who says: “Kiss my but, and I promise to not fart on You.” Not knowing that in the Iran-Iraq area, farting in public is the ultimate no-no.
Harun al-Rashid had a vizier who farted in that kings counsel of State. He had to leave the realm. Many years later, he tried to return to Baghdâd. Crossing the Euprates or Tigris in a small boat, he asked the young botssman whether he was shure of his own age. “Of course”, answered the youngster: “I was borne the year the the vizier farted in fornt of Harun al-Rashid: Everyone know when that happened”.
Much chagrined, the vizier went back into his life in exile.
It’s not at all certain Biden will have a home in the US of North A to return to some fifteen years from now!

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Oct 30 2021 16:47 utc | 6

like every other barfly, i find american foreign policy mystifying. china plays win win, & easily makes friends & allies, as peace & prosperity sing to those many nations that have been u$rael’s slaves, while russia mentors moderation, reason, respect & honest debate. yet america rather than accept the golden appeal of these approaches continues to play the sanctions game, convinced starving the coveted nation will result in its complete submission, its tortured signature to give over its treasure, after all it is the king’s right, & winner take all. the nation is subsumed with self hatred, democrats against republicans, each unable to give ground, listen or to join hands in hope of stopping the whirl pooling spiral & return the nation’s soul around & upward.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 30 2021 16:58 utc | 7

Biden Rejects Claims That He Wants To Return To The Nuclear Deal With Iran.
Attempting to control the narrative in advance is a popular resort often visited by opponents.
Some resort “Its my party” when not sent an invitation.
It appears that Mr. Biden is still immersed in the my schlong is bigger than your schlong school of thermo-dynamics though.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 30 2021 17:10 utc | 8

“ it might seem much smarter, at this point, to release Assange. “
It is wise to use conditional tenses not limited to issues perceived by some as requiring a crystal ball.
Instead of relying upon crystal balls or even curved balls, some who recognise that omniscience is not an option engage in lateral analyses to inform and implement lateral strategies whose vectors are based on the opponents vulnerabilities which in part are derived from opponents’ immersion in specific social relations and monitored through their trajectories.
As you are aware the continuing demystification of the oxymoron “representative democracy” is a significant purpose for some opponents, but it is not necessarily assigned the same significance by all opponents, as functions of their immersion in specific social relations.
These social relations are competitive encouraging aversions to doing nothing, sometimes labelled as can-doism; a seeking of attribution and contingent recognition of sole or primary agency – Mr. G.W.Bush’s notion that he was the decider being one example of many – and parallel resort to assign blame to the other/not me, plus reflexive vindictiveness when frustrated.
In conjuction with other perceptions derived from such social relations enhances probabilities of hightened predeliction to opening Pandora’s boxes whilst relying on derivatives of the Alexandrine options in respect of apparent “Gordian knots”, sometimes rendered more piquant through emulation of Mr. Stalin’s illusion of “No man – no problem”.
Additionally these social relations do not act in a vacuum, although ideologies derived from these social relation seek to deny that to be the case – exceptional and indispensable nation refer – comfort blankets when its cold outside.
As Mr. Heraclitus and others observed you can’t step into the same river twice {since it is not the same river – you can’t even do it once and reliance on precedents is a practice of self-obfuscation as Mr. Heraclitus also understood} ergo the opportunity not to pursue Mr. Assaange has past, Pandora’s box has been opened and time and tide wait for no man.
The opponents tend to regularly facilitate such surprises/unforseen consequences not restricted to Mr. Assange, and consequently regularly become enmeshed in nets where wriggling in the hope of disentanglement facilitates increased entanglement.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Oct 30 2021 17:11 utc | 9

thanks b… more of the same b.s… i agree with @3 roger and @ 3 bemildred….
i guess this western elite running things think that people are stupid… unfortunately for them, many people are quite smart and immediately see thru this b.s.

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2021 17:38 utc | 10

The good cop, bad cop routine played by the EU and the US has also gotten old and been exposed. Iran now knows there is no independent Europe, at least as far as Iran issues are concerned. The relevant parties are Iran and the US and Russia and China. And Iran has finally realized that nothing but surrender is acceptable by the US.
So, as Iran is not interested in surrendering, what’s left to negotiate?

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 30 2021 17:44 utc | 11

Posted by: Edward | Oct 30 2021 17:45 utc | 12

Thanks b. The US slaps new sanctions on Iran and wants a new JCPOA where Iran must make concessions on its ballistic missiles. This is never going to happen no matter how much the US tries, through coercion, to make it so. Biden and his administration are completely disingenuous.

Posted by: Michael Crockett | Oct 30 2021 17:54 utc | 13

Apparently the visits by key war criminals of the Zionist occupation regime in Palestine had the desired effect. Biden, or whoever is really running US foreign policy, is not even pretending to want to return to the JCPOA – one of his many unfulfilled campaign promises. Must we wait for the European puppet governments to wake up and realize their are being devastated by their fealty to the US Empire? Lord knows people in the US (even the very, very few who have a clue about what’s really going on) are not going to be given an option.
We no longer have anything resemble a democracy here. The President and the Congress are merely actors in an elaborate theatrical performance designed to feign democratic processes while carrying out the orders of the oligarchy. That’s why the US is not agreement capable, and no nation with any self-respect should engage with us at all.

Posted by: Charles D | Oct 30 2021 18:11 utc | 14

About this whole sanctions thing – why any two nations would still conduct their mutual transactions in Yankee dollars mystifies me.

Posted by: Hal Duell | Oct 30 2021 18:15 utc | 15

” It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the Biden administration is not really interested in closing a deal. It has however no alternative if it wants to at least somewhat limit Iran’s nuclear program. A war against Iran would end with a defeat of the U.S. and its allies in the Middle East.”
My conclusion is that Biden and the West are not worried about Iran getting nuclear weapons. Number one, Iran is under pressure from China and Russia to avoid going too far. Number two, how do you use nuclear weapons, what is your day after? However, conventional missiles with capacity of destroying or bloodily damaging American military bases are a worry. Is there ANY perspective of convincing Iran to give them up? And as we are at it, give up all weapons using explosives, starting from gunpowder, effectively going back to XIII century on military matters?
Thus the only policy that actually serves American objectives is to hinder Iranian economy in any way possible. And that applies to Nicaragua too, and what kind of threat is there? You are a bad dog, we will kick you as much as we can.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 30 2021 18:20 utc | 16

The good cop, bad cop routine played by the EU and the US has also gotten old and been exposed.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 30 2021 17:44 utc | 10
This is a different routine: a bad cop and lazy cops. A drunk lies on a sidewalk, sleeping. A bad cop starts pummeling and kicking him. The lazy cops watch, or they join the fun, but not too much.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 30 2021 18:24 utc | 17

“A war against Iran would end with a defeat of the U.S. and its allies in the Middle East.”
Wrong. It would end in the defeat of both parties. But which party would suffer catastrophic defeat? Certainly not those with shores thousands of miles away. Israel would be a toss up. But whose energy security would be most threatened? Surely, the real aim of any such adventure…
If your goal is to smash things, you don’t have to play to win…

Posted by: MapleLeaf | Oct 30 2021 18:27 utc | 18

Any idea if the new Sanctions were vetted with White House & State Dept before Treasury Dept announced them yesterday?
A bunch of Neo-Cons burrowed into Treasury Dept when Obama took over (moved from political positions to career “civil service” positions, to avoid getting laid off when Dems took over), and they’ve been carrying on the Cheney Regime’s vendetta against Iran ever since. I suspect that the real intent of yesterday’s announcement was to undermine Biden’s negotiations with Europe. If the new sanctions were approved by WH & State before being announced, I’m wrong.
In any case, Dems need to clean the NeoCon moles out of the Treasury Dept.

Posted by: elkern | Oct 30 2021 18:44 utc | 19

Yessir:
Nuclear talks with Iran to resume, Biden says after meeting with allies

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2021 18:52 utc | 20

I’m shocked, shocked that the US is недоговороспособны (not-agreement-capable)!!!!

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 30 2021 18:57 utc | 21

At the rate the U.S. is going it may soon be mired in an economic, supply chain, and probably political crisis and may decide to take a break from its aggressions of choice against Iran and other countries.
From Naked Capitalism:
I have a feeling we are in for far more serious “troubles” in the medical realm than just nurses in the hospital quitting. Pharma issues are happening – and may reach out and touch any one of you or your family. To be warned is to be prepared.
My friends with the core facility that has multiple freezers heard from the hospital’s procurement folks who had tracked down the Airgas manager. “He said there is no shortage of product(LN2) but a shortage of drivers for bulk tank deliveries.”
IM Doc’s reply:
I am in a remote area – that is certainly part of the problem. But the fact we are having these troubles with vital supplies even here should be an early warning indicator that we have issues as a society. The system has thrown a rod – and what used to be reliable no longer is. Fascinating times.
Our supplier is trying very hard to get the now very elevated cost of the transport of these gases passed onto the final user – and there is just no way that is economically feasible in our area. And then another wrinkle at least here is the actual company that puts it in the cans is having trouble getting the equipment and other needs transported to their facility. “We have not had the ability in about a month”. So they do not even have product to send. So we have supply chain problems – and we have delivery chain problems. It seems like everything has a screw loose right now. I do also have multiple patients who are now on emergency oxygen compressors – because the cans of oxygen are no longer available reliably in our area – and I have just not had the time to figure out why that is suddenly happening. The compressor approach is much more expensive and I have no idea how long the insurance companies are going to be willing to pay.
A very pernicious problem with pharma shortages has begun to set in. For the most part, they seem to be temporary – but they are absolutely devastating to patients financially – and I want all to understand what is going on.
This mainly seems to be happening in insulin products, immunologic agents ( as in Enbrel and Humira) and chemotherapy ( of which I personally deal very infrequently).
I am now up to 11 patients where this has happened just this week alone. All of whom are under 30, diabetic and on insulin or with lupus and on immunomodulating drugs. All are taking their health very seriously.
Most modern pharmaceuticals are distributed with the use of PBMs. big gigantic companies that are middlemen between pharma and consumers. They all have contracts with each product where they get a very good price on 1 particular agent in each class. For example – XYZ PBM has a great price on Lantus Insulin – so they will only distribute Lantus to their patients. If you must have the others – well – you get to pay the 700 dollars a month out of pocket – uncovered by your insurance. It is really quite a racket if some poor soul cannot tolerate the selected drug.
We are now experiencing fairly severe shortages on insulin products and immunoproducts. Again – they seem to be temporary – but 10 days is life or death to a Type I DM. So when their refill comes up – and their particular PBM contracted insulin type is unavailable – they get to pay full freight on another in the class – often 500-700 dollars a month. The PBMs are absolutely heartless – will not budge an inch – knowing in full that the shortage is beyond the patient’s control – and also that they are completely dependent. So the patients pay the 500 dollars for an alternative – only to find out that 7 days later – their “covered” insulin is available again. But it may not be when it comes time for a refill. And because their “great” insurance (It’s a big f@#ckin’ deal! – remember that?) that Obamacare delivered to the land has often 10 or 15 thousand dollar deductibles – they get to pay the full amount.
I have no idea why these shortages are happening. It is however constant. Again – not just insulin – the arthritis drugs are a real problem as well. My office staff is spending large chunks of time on this. Nothing like this has happened before in my career. This is new territory.
Collapse of the Supply Chain(s) in the US is HERE AND NOW!
INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Oct 30 2021 19:16 utc | 22

George Oprisko @21:
It’s not just in rural areas, and not just in med. supply sector. It’s in just about every sector and everywhere. Brand new durable appliance delivered and wouldn’t work, twice in a row. And that’s happened to me in a city of over nearly 1 million population.
Looks like we are already sunk. As you said, what used to be reliable no longer is. Interesting times indeed.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2021 19:29 utc | 23

What value would a renewal of the JPCOA in some form have for Iran, if the next US President is Trump or some brick head neocon who will cancel the treaty? The US has established that it is not a reliable partner in any negotiations.

Posted by: Rob | Oct 30 2021 19:31 utc | 24

@MapelLeaf (17) In the event of a regional war in the Middle East, Israel will suffer devastating consequences from the combined forces of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Israel knows this, which is why they continuously urge the US to be responsible for carrying out a strike against Iran. Are the Israeli’s prepared to accept the consequences of having their own cities bombarded by rockets and drones that their vaunted air defenses will not be able to intercept? Somehow, I think not, but there are definitely fanatics and lunatics in positions of power who might not care about consequences.

Posted by: Rob | Oct 30 2021 19:51 utc | 25

@ Rob | Oct 30 2021 19:31 utc | 23 who wrote
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The US has established that it is not a reliable partner in any negotiations.
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We are seeing the negotiations done by the front for empire at the time, Nixon in 1971, being abrogated in front of our eyes. Empire has had 50 years to corrupt China and is evidently failing to do so. So here we are in a civilization war to see if humanity evolves beyond economic barbarism and its inherent class based society or we extinct ourselves like a good cosmological failure.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2021 19:53 utc | 26

Tightening the noose.
It’s not meant to end in peace, surely.
Hands up those who think Israel will end up nuking Iran.

Posted by: Keith Granger | Oct 30 2021 20:00 utc | 27

Keith Granger @26–
The outcome for Occupied Palestine to nuke Iran would be as if it nuked itself. Several years ago, Russia’s national security chief met with Pompeo and Nuttyahoo to tell them that Russia had Iran’s back when it came to using nukes against it, a statement that made the news most everywhere; I posted the article and related information here myself at the time. Lots of bandwidth’s been expended here in our ongoing discussion of the overall situation in Southwest Asia that goes back to this blog’s beginnings. Trump came closest to initiating a war with Iran, but he backed down for very sensible reasons. Those reasons still apply, plus Iran continues to bolster its own and its allies defenses, which is several cases include their offensive capabilities.
The current goal of the Outlaw US Empire is to deter any regional collective security pact, which would see it lose most of what remains of its ability to influence events there along with the rationale for its many bases. The small crisis between Lebanon and those waging the illegal war against Yemen is part of the entire equation–all the man did was to tell the truth about the war against Yemen which infuriated those conducting that war.
It’ll take another generation for the region to come to terms with itself as the geopolitical situation finally swings in its favor, for everyone there wants peace and development. The only impediment is the Outlaw US Empire which is against those two developments regionally and globally. But as it goes deeper into the toilet bowl, its ability to thwart those twin goals will weaken until it finally disappears.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2021 20:35 utc | 28

Posted by: Rob | Oct 30 2021 19:51 utc | 24

… In the event of a regional war in the Middle East, Israel will suffer devastating consequences from the combined forces of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Israel knows this, which is why they continuously urge the US to be responsible for carrying out a strike against Iran…

Apparently Israel doesn’t know this yet because its last attack on Syria was this morning. A volley of missiles fired at a Damascus suburb. Oh well. RIP Israel, right?

Posted by: robin | Oct 30 2021 20:38 utc | 29

Posted by: Keith Granger | Oct 30 2021 20:00 utc | 26
And thence comes the Rapture, as Israel is turned into a piece of burnt toast in response. Not even the Israeli’s are stupid and arrogant enough to do that.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 30 2021 20:40 utc | 30

@Posted by: robin | Oct 30 2021 20:38 utc | 28
Throwing a few stones at the weak boy in the neighbourhood is very different to starting a war.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 30 2021 20:42 utc | 31

question to MoA: How would Russia react to an Israeli nuclear attack on Iran?

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 30 2021 21:24 utc | 32

@ perimetr… its a good question given the non reaction on the missiles into syria on an ongoing basis… on the other hand we know how the usa would react if iran was to make an attack on israel! there are certain knowns and other unknowns here… if you listen to our local hoyeru, he will probably say russia isn’t going to do jackshit… my own feeling is russia wouldn’t act right away, but their would be something very negative to come out of this for israel… just my take…

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2021 21:34 utc | 33

I would bet Iran already has a few dozen nuclear weapons, and have had them for a couple decades.
Technically and materially Iran had had the ability to produce nuclear weapons since the late 90’s. Their science base is more advanced than Pakistan and is on par with India and North Korea.
The only reason Iran wouldn’t have them is the Fatwa that was issued and a couple other statements made by Iranian officials right before they would have been finishing the first bomb in the late 1990’s. Like Israel’s strategy earlier, this was done to create plausible deniability while the process was completed and reliable delivery mechanisms, which lag behind nuclear development by 10-15 years, we’re finished.
If Iran is true to their Fatwa, they will never develope nuclear weapons…if not they have quite a few already. I suspect the latter, as does a small but significant portion of the intelligence community.
Given Iran’s geography, and the massive underground infrastructure they have created, Iran will survive the nuclear exchange, Israel won’t. Probably won’t matter, though, as the odds of any nuclear exchange triggering a global extinction nuclear exchange are pretty high.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 30 2021 21:49 utc | 34

The US-Iran imbroglio is similar (not the same) to the US-NorthKorea situation. We’ll leave the sanctions in place and treat you as a subordinate while we work on the project to reduce your sovereignty and your defense capability even further, ‘cuz the US rules the world dont’cha know. . . But Iran and DPRK don’t buy it. Good for them. It also sends a lesson to other countries, even the biggies like China and Russia. . .Yes, you can defy the US and improve yourselves.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2021 21:50 utc | 35

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 30 2021 21:24 utc | 31
Nothing. Israel wouldn’t exist anymore.

Posted by: vk | Oct 30 2021 22:10 utc | 36

On barjam/JCPOA
I used to, back when it was signed, think that: Wow, Iran, way to go. You accomplished in DC, without any representation, what the mighty AIPAC, and it’s hordes, couldn’t, in trying to crush it. They even sent Nutty to congress, without the POTUS’ knowledge, to tell everyone what a bad idea it was.
Wow I thought.
Now, having studied it, for a few years, I can see, that Iran lost much of its sovereignty just by signing it. How times change. As Don Bacon’s post from Tehran Times notes, the deal is increasingly losing it’s relevance to Iran. Now a SCO member and all. In the meantime, the EU maintained and even accelerated its irrelevance.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 30 2021 22:18 utc | 37

India got booted from participating in Iran’s port development, since it dragged its feet for so long, acting as a comprador for the US.
but it is actually in India’s interests that Iran not only remains stable, but also becomes a prosperous hub connected to west Asia, Russia and Europe. India’s interests towards Iran and Afghanistan simply don’t align with the US agenda. let’s see how long the so called Quad lasts.
but the foreign policy establishment in India is challenged; they have bad relations with nearly all of its neighbors. they seem as capable of diplomacy as the Americans. perfect quad partnersn in a way.

Posted by: mastameta | Oct 30 2021 22:29 utc | 38

On Iranian economy
It is unknowable.
The effects of hawala cover is just too great to know. Also, much of the activities of the so called Bonyads are not reported. All this, while Iran has much of it’s money locked up in foreign accounts.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 30 2021 22:36 utc | 39

On ‘war on Iran’
I’ll just leave that one to the ‘war on Iran’ trolls to stir up, yet again.
I’ve said enough on this. See previous threads.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 30 2021 22:41 utc | 40

Iran never left the JCPOA as far as I know…So, would someone ask the US why it wants Iran to “rejoin” it?

Posted by: donten | Oct 30 2021 22:46 utc | 41

And thence comes the Rapture, as Israel is turned into a piece of burnt toast in response. Not even the Israeli’s are stupid and arrogant enough to do that.
Posted by: Roger | Oct 30 2021 20:40 utc | 29
If the 6 million jews in Israel were “turned into a piece of burnt toast” then that would be a real holocaust.

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 30 2021 22:59 utc | 42

The United States, United Kingdom, France, and Germany issued a joint statement on Saturday expressing “grave and growing concern” over Iran’s nuclear program and urging President Ebrahim Raisi to return to “full compliance.”

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 30 2021 23:05 utc | 43

@donten 40
Iran never left the JCPOA as far as I know
Yes, correct, here’s the whole JCPOA history, including:

Iran began to incrementally violate the agreement in May 2019. Tehran tied its decision to breach the JCPOA’s limits to the deal’s failure to deliver sanctions relief envisioned by the accord and, implicitly, U.S. withdrawal from the deal. Iran is still a JCPOA participant and says it will return to compliance with the accord if its demands on sanctions relief are met.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2021 23:31 utc | 44

The US controls the Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda and they create their own reality, In 2007, the spy agencies shut down Cheney’s attempt to stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb in 5 years (as the US had been proclaiming since 1979.) They put out an assessment saying that Iran had no nuclear program. Admiral Fallon said in public that there would be no war with Iran on his watch.
Whoa! What a slapdown that was!
And yet, the next year, when Obama was elected, they started right back in on the propaganda as if the slapdown had never happened
I still wonder what that was about
Anyway, Iran still had no nuclear program, but they had to plead out, like an accused person in the US, to avoid a harsher sentence, and they signed the deal, which was hailed in the Mighty Wurlitzer as a major victory for St. Barack.
I have a friend in the UAE who insists that a lot of what we see happening in the Middle East has to do with stopping OBOR. I see Ethopia on the list of countries Iran is supposed to avoid.
Ethiopia is down with the Silk Road, Eritrea is not. The Tigray tribe seems to be heavily represented in Eritrea. I’m wondering who is supporting the “rebels”.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 30 2021 23:31 utc | 45

that is like saying – tommy isn’t wearing his blue jeans… we’re concerned that he isn’t fitting in!! “countries as juveniles”… that would probably be a better title for your link perimetr! of course i haven’t and won’t be reading it… too much stupidity in the press these days… i liked a link bevin shared in another thread however.. i will recommend it @ 94 in the thread on poland for anyone interested.. it essentially sums up how we are at a similar juncture here with these western poodles and sychophants clamoring for our ”grave concern”… what a load of bollocks… can’t read it.. the headline gives it away! the grave concern is they have renounced their responsibilities and have taken to scare mongering as art…

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2021 23:34 utc | 46

@ Perimetr | Oct 30 2021 23:05 utc | 42 with the link to the absurd joint statement by the puppet nations of empire at the G20
Lets see….Hmmmm Aren’t there 20 nations in the G20? How come there are only 4 nations coming out with this BS screed about Iran? And why at the G20 other than to give themselves credence they would not have otherwise.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2021 23:34 utc | 47

@ Perimetr 42
That BS statement from the US and its Europe lackeys will, I expect, really piss off Tehran, as it should, since it’s a huge untrue fabrication of the situation.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2021 23:35 utc | 48

Oct 6, 2013
Iran’s Leader “Optimistic” about Rowhani’s US Diplomacy, but Skeptical of Washington, Israel
Khamenei
“Certainly, we are pessimistic about the Americans. We do not trust them. We consider the government of the United States of America as an unreliable, arrogant, illogical, and trespassing government, which is badly possessed and dominated by the international Zionist network. They are forced to appease the extorter and forged regime that has occupied Palestine to observe the illegitimate desires and interests of the international Zionist network. They ought to be flexible against it for the interests of the international Zionist network.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2021 23:38 utc | 49

Oh let’s see. ‘Pseudoisrael’ wages war on Iran (for no particular actual reason). The actual ‘Israelians’ are bit actors (uninformed crisis actors on a mass scale). They assault Iran. The Hezbollah (“Party of God”) launches a thousand missiles at the ‘Pseudoisrael’ fake ‘homeland’. Several strike the Pseudoisrael’s Demona nuclear facility. Resulting in a Middle East Fukushima.
This narrative may well be set to go live.

Posted by: blues | Oct 30 2021 23:51 utc | 50

Perimetr @31–
question to MoA: How would Russia react to an Israeli nuclear attack on Iran?
I spent some time to find the last thread on that topic. It’s here, followed by 333 comments, several of which deal with Patrushev’s June 24, 2019 visit to Jerusalem for a chat with Bolton and Nuttyahoo. Linked is the translation of that crucial visit. You’ll find lots of commentary on that topic. So, please do pour a beverage and take in what you missed from before. There’s nothing similar to NATO’s Article 5 in the SCO, but the MoA consensus two years ago was that Russia has Iran’s back when it comes to being attacked with nuclear weapons.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2021 23:55 utc | 51

@49…..but not until an Iranian missile lands on a Gay Pride parade in Tel Aviv does anybody take any notice……

Posted by: dh | Oct 30 2021 23:58 utc | 52

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