@ circumspect | Sep 27 2021 5:14 utc | 102 with the 2nd link to the Spartacus letter about Covid-19
Yeah, he lays it out pretty clearly but much of the biology is above my pay grade. That said, one doesn’t need to understand the biology details to appreciate how much lying is going on to sustain the fig leaf of cover over this global war crime.
I have written at MoA before that Covid is an issue that could bring down governments and hasten the demise of blatantly anti-humanistic global private finance backed/controlled empire. Below is a quote from the Spartacus letter that describes a straw that could blow the Covid cover.
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India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin.
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Mexico City is another example and there are enough other examples of effective Ivermectin usage like the half of Africa that uses Ivermectin on a regular basis and have low Covid death rates.
We damn well better hope this Covid criminality blows up because if not then Big Pharma becomes the new MIC…..in case you are not paying attention.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2021 5:32 utc | 103

Talking about Covid, but my province in Vietnam is ending its lockdown by the end of this month, I can finally go out to eat phở again.
It seems the Covid situation in Asia is much better, it’s generally a good news.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 27 2021 7:04 utc | 105

@Don Bacon | Sep 26 2021 21:57 utc | 62

I’m surprised that Lavrov didn’t even mention global warming

Lavrov is reality based.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2021 8:00 utc | 107

News from “do no evil” country.
Election integrity: Content that advances false claims that widespread fraud, errors, or glitches changed the outcome of select past national elections, after final election results are officially certified. This currently applies to:
Any past U.S. Presidential election
The 2021 German federal election
They forgot to put a list of countries, these you always doubt, those never, so much for the “intelligent voting” interference by the Navalny sect, sounds so techie and cool. Long live democracy and freedom of the press,
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=EN

Posted by: Paco | Sep 27 2021 8:14 utc | 109

passerby
Interesting, any link on that scam?

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 27 2021 8:36 utc | 111

@ passerby
I wonder if the AfD will sue, that WAS a crime.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 27 2021 9:46 utc | 113

This right here is reason enough for Canada to be a part of CUSMA/USMCA, the new NAFTA. The UK has proposed joining the deal.
“Mexico says USMCA pact change needs approval from all members”
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/mexico-says-usmca-pact-change-needs-approval-from-all-members-1.1656534
And an interesting Canadian view on the energy crisis in the EU –
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/that-can-keep-you-up-at-night-lessons-for-canada-from-europe-s-power-crisis-1.1656998

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 27 2021 10:14 utc | 115

Smith @ 113:
Smith @ 113:
To me, the real culprits are the journalists. The Western press lies, usually by omission.

Posted by: passerby | Sep 27 2021 10:27 utc | 117

The Western Marxists are, in fact, politically useless because they either relinquished the goal to overthrow the bourgeois ruling class by any means necessary, ipso facto ceasing to be Marxists as the 2nd international did on account of not being revolutionary; or at best were foiled in their attempts.
They may have interesting academic/analytic contributions, but this is entirely secondary to actual political and strategic doctrine, in which the Chinese and Soviet marxist schools remain paramount.
The Western Marxists will be politically rehabilitated when there is a successful western revolutionary party that owes part of its success to updating and implementing the teachings of Western Marxists, whether this happens at some point of history or is, like a shoe smaller on the outside and bigger on the inside, an impossible object, remains to be seen.

Posted by: Misotheist | Sep 27 2021 10:49 utc | 119

I checked a bit about FDP. Their program included a tax decrease, increase in defense spending to 3% GDP (it is 1.5 now? below 2 for sure), more spending on infrastructure and paying for all of that with privatization of Post Office, national railroad etc. Decrease in energy cost (how?). Presumably a great fit with Greens (really), hence negotiations for Black-Yellow-Green coalitions. Will we have a repeat of 2017 when it took months to realize that the cannot reconcile? This impossible combination is the only alternative for Red-Black, I.e. SPD + CDU/CSU where the stumbling block is the Kanzler chair.
UK has “admirably high” defense spending and today I read about the boon it provides for the society. Suddenly (check Yesterday of The Beatles) a shortage of truck drivers emerged in UK, not enough drivers to bring food to the supermarkets and gasoline (petrol? they have some strangely named liquids in UK) to gas stations. Enter the military! Thousands of troops have to know how to drive a truck. So they can actually do it, according to Her Majesty Government, after recalling reservists for several weeks.
Imagine a putative Russian invasion. Periodically a Russian navy convoy passes by on the way from Baltic to Mediterranean. Suddenly (check Yesterday of The Beatles) the make a turn an a few thousand troops lands in Cornwall and Devon, immediately imposing matryoshka and other Russian toys on local preschools. The counter-action comes swiftly! after several weeks of recalling reservists a mighty force is assembled in Wiltshire (I am hazy on counties between Devon and Wiltshire), but, alas, innocent English and Cornish tykes are already indoctrinated with matryoshka and other Russian toys, and evil deed done, Russian navy departs.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 27 2021 11:02 utc | 121

Posted on the wrong thread
Interesting post on Zero Hedge this morning (Turkish time). The original PDF is also provided by zero hedge.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/damn-you-hell-you-will-not-destroy-america-here-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral
Apologize to those who think COVID posts are dull and boring. One short section about Randomized Control Trials below, but a lot of information of interest throughout.
“Because of the way they are constructed, Randomized Control Trials will never show any benefit for any antiviral against COVID-19. Not Remdesivir, not Kaletra, not HCQ, and not Ivermectin. The reason for this is simple; for the patients that they have recruited for these studies, such as Oxford’s ludicrous RECOVERY study, the intervention is too late to have any positive effect.
The clinical course of COVID-19 is such that by the time most people seek medical attention for hypoxia, their viral load has already tapered off to almost nothing. If someone is about 10 days post-exposure and has already been symptomatic for five days, there is hardly any virus left in their bodies, only cellular damage and derangement that has initiated a hyperinflammatory response. It is from this group that the clinical trials for antivirals have recruited, pretty much exclusively.
In these trials, they give antivirals to severely ill patients who have no virus in their bodies, only a delayed hyperinflammatory response, and then absurdly claim that antivirals have no utility in treating or preventing COVID-19. These clinical trials do not recruit people who are pre-symptomatic. They do not test pre-exposure or post-exposure prophylaxis.
This is like using a defibrillator to shock only flatline, and then absurdly claiming that defibrillators have no medical utility whatsoever when the patients refuse to rise from the dead. The intervention is too late. These trials for antivirals show systematic, egregious selection bias. They are providing a treatment that is futile to the specific cohort they are enrolling.
India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin.
Ivermectin is not “horse dewormer”. Yes, it is sold in veterinary paste form as a dewormer for animals. It has also been available in pill form for humans for decades, as an antiparasitic drug.
The media have disingenuously claimed that because Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug, it has no utility as an antivirus. This is incorrect. Ivermectin has utility as an antiviral. It blocks importin, preventing nuclear import, effectively inhibiting viral access to cell nuclei. Many drugs currently on the market have multiple modes of action. Ivermectin is one such drug. It is both antiparasitic and antiviral.
In Bangladesh, Ivermectin costs $1.80 for an entire 5-day course. Remdesivir, which is toxic to the liver, costs $3,120 for a 5-day course of the drug. Billions of dollars of utterly useless Remdesivir were sold to our governments on the taxpayer’s dime, and it ended up being totally useless for treating hyperinflammatory COVID-19. The media has hardly even covered this at all.
The opposition to the use of generic Ivermectin is not based in science. It is purely financially and politically-motivated. An effective non-vaccine intervention would jeopardize the rushed FDA approval of patented vaccines and medicines for which the pharmaceutical industry stands to rake in billions upon billions of dollars in sales on an ongoing basis.”

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 11:45 utc | 123

@ Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2021 2:27 utc | 94
The dissension between “Eastern” (Russian) and “Western” Marxism go way before Stalin’s rise to power in the USSR. You’re wiping out half century of History when you’re stating social-democrats only started to reject Russian Marxism because of Stalin. Lenin was as accused of truculence and tyranny as Stalin.
The picture of the Bolsheviks as some kind of primitive and ruthless form of Marxism is a common theme in German Social-Democracy since the beginning of the 20th Century.
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@ Posted by: Cherrycoke | Sep 27 2021 6:43 utc | 104
Besides Saunders’ catalogue, there are also one or two books about the UK’s case.
But the most important source are the works of the NCL intellectuals themselves. If you read the works of Hannah Arendt (who was never, and never claimed to be, a Marxist), post-WWII Adorno (who received money from the USG, even though he was not CIA) and Horkheimer, among others, you’ll clearly see the common theme among them was anti-communism.
The political curriculum of the NCL was a disaster: besides contributing heavily to anti-communist propaganda (using false and fallacious arguments), they fully supported the genocide of the Palestinians by the Israelis (specially Horkheimer; Arendt was more sophisticated, stating “evil is now banal, so at the end of the day it doesn’t matter”). The NCL finally collapsed when they threw all their support in favor of the Vietnam War – in the name of destroying Communism. After the Mi Lai Massacre was uncovered and publicized, their position became untenable. Plus, the end of the Vietnam War coincided with the Oil Crisis of 1975, which brought the collapse of Keynesianism and the welfare state. The fall of the NCL would pave the way for the rise of the Neoliberals and Neoconservatives (who already existed, but were marginal ideologies).
The existence of the neoliberals and neoconservatives also helps us understand why the NCL took the shape it did: they had to promote pluralism because they were not the only game in town. In the USSR, Marxism reigned supreme. The NCL had thus to explain to its sympathizers why that was the case, and why they were better than their Soviet counterparts. Hence Schlesinger Jr.’s concept of “vital center”.
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@ Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 11:45 utc | 123
You know what’s even cheaper than Ivermectin? Vaccine.
And the vaccine you only have to take two times (three in special cases). Ivermectin, as you stated, is a daily treatment.

Posted by: vk | Sep 27 2021 12:00 utc | 125

@ Smith 120
The central Indian government is fully onboard of bureaucrat Fauci’s doctrine of fearing THE virus and wanting to vaccinate all, with one rational leg up on him: they try to treat people long before they arrive at an ICU when feeling sick.
For vaccination differences inside India see here: https://www.thehindu.com/coronavirus/
Maybe half now had one dosis – usually the Indian Covidhield or Covaxin so their immune systems are warned. Lockdowns have been eased a lot and there is no green pass / QR code/ job loss madness going on here. Deaths are low, possible “cases” have been going down a lot. Indians have beaten Corona by giving it its proper (small) place: a not very deadly infection amongst the many existing medical problems here like TBC, Malaria, “Sugar disease” etc.
People in the street see few Covid deaths but lots of lockdown economic and social misery, electable politicians have to keep that in mind. There are always elections going on, either national, state wise or local – these are all kept out of phase as they need a huge election officers- & police effort. Unpopular domestic politics have always been punished hard and fast by the electorate.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 27 2021 12:16 utc | 127

jinn @91
I never voted for Trump, but I didn’t buy into the shrill squealing that he was the secular woke version of the Antichrist either. I did, with brew in hand, watch in fascination as what I have been referring to as the American middle class (NemesisCalling @88 is correct that more nuance is needed, but “middle class” is close and saves a couple paragraphs) colorful snowflakes melted down into urine-scented puddles.
I did, however, occasionally try to puncture the hysteria by pointing out that we’ve had worse PotUSes than Trump, with Shrub Jr being an example that should still be fresh on readers’ minds, assuming readers were still in possession of those minds. My efforts accomplished nothing more than getting me vacuously dismissed as a “Trumpist”, which is apparently the secular woke version of a minor demon that must be exorcised with garlic and brandished religious symbols (Aside: I rather like garlic and have studied symbolic communication enough that symbols have lost their subconscious compulsions with me, so these exorcisms always failed amusingly).

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2021 12:25 utc | 129

Posted by: vk | Sep 27 2021 12:00 utc | 125
Ivermectin can be produced in human doses by bulk much cheaper and faster than vaccines that have stricter and longer production control regime and they require less sophisticated facilities and storage as well.
Frankly since it’s not immediate deathly disease like SARS or MERS I do consider that the research towards treatment outside vaccines are too little. They should’ve given the same publicity and transparency towards ivermectin since it can be used in conjunction to end the pandemic.

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 27 2021 12:31 utc | 131

Posted by: vk | Sep 27 2021 12:30 utc | 130
It is a a 5-day early treatment. Read the excerpt that I posted. Of course, the mRNA vaccine works so well, that we are being targeted for repeated booster shots for the rest of our lives, apparently. Big Pharma knows how to make a buck.
The PDF link is valuable because of the 14 or more pages of sources all grouped according to COVID 19 topic.
https://www.docdroid.net/kZZXcGS/covid-19-the-spartacus-letter-pdf#page=17

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 12:44 utc | 133

@ Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 12:44 utc | 133
You’re dreaming if you think the Indonesian people will be inoculated mainly by mRNA vaccines. It is just not feasible, no matter how much pro-USA their elite is. mRNA vaccines are extremely expensive to import (each 90-dose container requires 50 pounds of dry ice to transport via airplane) and they require special, super-cold freezers to storage. That won’t happen in countries like Indonesia.
When the cookie crumbles, it will be the Chinese inactivated virus vaccines that will save the day in the Third World.

Posted by: vk | Sep 27 2021 12:51 utc | 135

I trusted the Doctor who prescribed opioids for the wear and tear of arthritis common to many late 50’s bricklayers. No warning was given. I had used neither drugs nor alcohol since 20, we were like lambs to the slaughter. Six months of pain free bliss and 4 years of rage when I was a danger to myself and anyone who crossed my path.
VK calls us trash.
He too is a victim. I am sure he did not choose to score so low on simple human compassion. Or even lower in intellectual capacity. And rock bottom in his contribution to humanities common weal.

Posted by: archeon | Sep 27 2021 13:00 utc | 137

@ Smith 128
Here are the official central government May 2021 treatment protocols for various severity cases: https://www.dghs.gov.in/WriteReadData/News/202105270436027770348ComprehensiveGuidelinesforManagementofCOVID-1927May2021DteGHS.pdf
I guess it is all a matter of doing the right this at the right moment – also before it gets serious. I read that our own bodies produce 400% more interferon at 39 C than at 38.5 C so keep a fever up and have patience.
I took one vaccination when my direct neighbor said she had Covid-like symptoms and self isolated, thinking that a crippled version of Corona was better than a full one one. I stayed fine and am not planning to take more shots for this dud virus.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 27 2021 13:12 utc | 139

@Don Bacon 138
The DW is not neutral of course as government organization should be: they want Green at the center of Germany(‘s economic down fall).
The FDP is as much a kingmaker as Green. Even the unthinkable is numerically possible: CDU + FDP + AFD! Won’t happen as the Anglo elite found Western Left easier to manipulate than Western Right. Their Europe based MSM, social media and CIA/NSA will make sure of favorable European governments as usual I am afraid. Macron was such an example of maverick to president in ~6 months. Or Boris the clown.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 27 2021 13:39 utc | 141

Important
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/damn-you-hell-you-will-not-destroy-america-here-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral

Posted by: James j | Sep 27 2021 13:57 utc | 143

Thank you, Don Bacon @ 53 for a summary comparison between China’s electoral system and that of the US which is accurate and concise. Throw in Germany’s election result, and even though we can deplore the UN, at least in Germany there are choices still, as there once were in the US, before the turn of the century. I also add the long press conference from Lavrov to the mix. The latter was a disturbing read for me last night, as I was sensing a disturbance in Lavrov’s usually clear thought processes, a weariness perhaps as he is facing so much negative pressure. It had me worrying about his health, which I haven’t done previously. I hope he is okay.
James, enjoy peachland (wherever that is). On covid – I was watching the golf this weekend, of course of the wealthy for the wealthy by the wealthy, but still food for thought – the course took up an expanse of Lake Michigan coastline that had me thinking of the enormous lake in Russia – Baikal? The last day was very interesting, as with each dramatic segment of the course almost a carbon copy of the one before, five days of enormous effort had taken obvious toll; the gladiators were spent; the crowd hoarse. A contest between two segments of a dying system, the Iliad with cameras, and those, too, extended and exhausted finally, with the last struggling players almost not caring.
Two miles of coastline. Pebble Beach on steroids. A phantom contest. A sea that is not a sea. The exhausted elites. And I had a reading from Paul’s second Corinthian letter :-

“…For if I caused you pain, who is there to make me glad but the one whom I have pained?…”

Who is there to make them glad?

Posted by: juliania | Sep 27 2021 14:11 utc | 145

Sorry, that must have been Freudian – “…even though we can deplore the UN…” ought to have been “…even though we can deplore the UE…”

Posted by: juliania | Sep 27 2021 14:15 utc | 147

Latin America, CELAC
The CELAC conference in Mexico City is over and gives us lots of “tells” about what will likely happen there over the next year, based on the hype, the spats at the conference, the speeches, who met publicly with whom, direct challenges to Biden along with a few supportive words from sycophants, and the final speech (scheduled by AMLO)given by Maduro. Here’s a quick bullet point summary if you don’t read the link.
-AMLO (Mex), Maduro, Arce (Bolivia), Ortega (Nicaragua), Diaz Canel (Cuba) all hyped the idea that the hated OAS was finished and might be replaced by CELAC (also known as CLAC in English). Didn’t happen because it was a head fake… for now. Be patient. It will. A year from now Latin America will likely be pinker: Brazil, Chile, Colombia.
-China was featured. Xi spoke by televideo expressing total support for CELAC– NOT OAS, pointing toward BRI-SCO network already happening.
-Featured speakers were all resistance countries and were also placed to speak after imperial toadies whom they forcefully rebutted.
-AMLO and Ebrard (probable next Mex president) spent lots of air time along side Maduro, Diaz Canel, Arce and other lefties, also publicly called out Biden on sanctions/embargoes.
bottom line, U.S. empire is crumbling south of the border and the CELAC conference showed it.
https://orinocotribune.com/clacs-a-significant-step-toward-the-inevitable-replacement-of-the-oas/

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 27 2021 14:32 utc | 149

Brazil
I’m reposting this link in case it was missed at the end of the last open thread. Mint Press’s Alan Macleod interviews Brasilwire’s Brian Miers about Brazil, including a really good one hour podcast, a “must hear” IMO.
Miers, a Chicago native but long time Brazilian, lays out Brazilian and U.S. imperial history from the 1960s, focused mostly on the 2000s, Lula along with Obama/Biden before explaining Bolsonaro, the possible coup, U.S. actions and finishes the podcast by looking at the coming year. He also explains the use of some key imperial political tools, especially the use of the judiciary to take power, specifically, the “lava jato” scandal which he takes apart. If you listen to the podcast you will understand lava jato.
Miers’s take on Lula is detailed, nuanced and uncertain but hopeful. He doesn’t see Lula as a savior or even uncorruptable but Miers supports him and is hopeful.
bottom line, lots of good people in Brazil who are suffering and who are also positioning themselves to push hard to take back their country. Looks like they might.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/brazil-military-coup-brian-mier-brazil-march-towards-fascism/278532/

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 27 2021 14:50 utc | 151

@ Antonym & @ R M Rao
So it is the true, we see that at least one state used ivermectin and managed to reduce the infection/death rate.
That’s very nice to know, to say the least. Covid is cured, it’s just not politically correct to say it out loud yet, for some reasons, but we already the stealth usage of ivermectic around the globe. I suspect my vietnamese government has also gone this route, which explains why the death rate suddenly reduces by this month.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 27 2021 14:58 utc | 153

@ William Gruff 150
Finally it becomes more legally visible that the conspiracy against Trump was set up in 2016 by HRC campaign lawyer Micheal Sussmann. https://rumble.com/vmxey5-details-in-michael-sussmanns-indictment-reveal-conspiracy-against-trump-tru.html
Trump’s presidency was an single elite NY spanner in many elite Washington’s wheels and deals, so good. That might have been why PM Modi liked him….

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 27 2021 15:07 utc | 155

Thank you, karlof1 and others commenting on Lavrov’s UN speech. And thanks to you and others as well for the previous speech by Xi – the two speeches are different but complementary. Finally thanks to b for providing this weekly forum framework. So many ideas and discussions to explore!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 27 2021 15:18 utc | 157

psychohistorian @ 103
Yeah, he lays it out pretty clearly but much of the biology is above my pay grade. That said, one doesn’t need to understand the biology details to appreciate how much lying is going on to sustain the fig leaf of cover over this global war crime.
It is way above my paygrade as well and it will take a month of Sundays to figure it out. In the west it is genocide in my view. I will use some of this information my personal battle to remain free and continue working with some of the knuckle draggers at the union hall. If I lose, retirement is here.
Now the Pfizer CEO says you need yearly shots or you must be pushed into a separate class. He looks like death warmed over.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 27 2021 15:27 utc | 159

Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 | 123
Nobody wants to talk about the truth Blue. They want to talk about “the science”.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 27 2021 16:02 utc | 161

“Ivermectin, as you stated, is a daily treatment.”
vk | Sep 27 2021 12:00 utc | 125
That’s inaccurate. If you anxious about getting Covid you may take it on a daily basis.
The preferred protocol is to start a course at the first signs of symptoms or high viral load. Viral load becomes low within 48 hours with an average recovery of 5 days vs 10 days without it.
Never take a medication you do not need. Tho a walking pharmaceutical cocktail myself, I will be buying it for actual illness, not as a prophylactic.
Call it civil disobedience… or terrorism… it’s time for more law breaking. Denounce me!!! Lol.
Anyways, this should be effective on the vaccinated as well. They will need it more than we will in all likelihood.
You have to consider populations as being in states of progression or as distinct types. I am alarmed at the news our Israeli lab rats are providing. This really doesn’t look good and I don’t welcome it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 27 2021 16:17 utc | 163

So I have a question that I can actually ask given the site’s commentators level of growth and development.
Btw, it’s possible you are in the “ironic stage” of life. I know I am.
So is the universe filled with irony? If not, why would that even be a tendency? Hypothetically of course. Is it ironic to even ask the question?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 27 2021 16:43 utc | 165

I really wish we have more indian posters for more report on the actual situation on the ground in India, did the indians really beat Covid by using ivermectin?
Yes, the Indian provinces which embraced Ivermectin nailed the virus, and those like Tamil Nadu, which banned Ivermectin have cases out the Kazoo.
For charts and graphs showing this visit my VK page…
https://vk.com/indyjones
INDY

Posted by: George W Oprisko | Sep 27 2021 17:05 utc | 167

vetinLA @99: “If you believe that, you might be a moron. Workers, as you know, exist in all flavors.”
I may be a moron; won’t argue that, but I am well aware that the working class is far more “diverse and inclusive” than the middle class. Always has been and always will be. The working class is not where the racism problem is in America. It’s just that your moniker suggests that you are a Californian, and an LAian one at that. That’s is like living amongst the plaster castles of Disneyland. LA is an entire city built around delusion and artifice. One cannot exist immersed in an environment such as that without some of the delusion soaking in, so it is natural to assume you would be infected with the pandemic of wokeness that is ravaging the West Coast. If you’ve somehow fought off infection from that debilitating disorder then you are to be commended and I apologize, but your frequent efforts to rehabilitate the term “liberal” leaves me suspicious nonetheless.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2021 17:07 utc | 169

@ Antonym
Did some provinces really treat people via ivermectin like the internet said?
Did you yourself encounter any antiviral drugs encouraged by the government?
Posted by: Smith | Sep 27 2021 12:24 utc | 128
Ivermectin has been VERY HEAVILY used in India, and many credit it as the main factor for bringing covid under control.
My understanding is that several major Ayurvedic medicines have also been widely used in India – I presume in parallel with ivermectin. There has also been a lot of pharmaceutical research in India on the benefits of ayurvedic medicines against covid-19, which have established that there are major benefits. Medicines that have been (I understand widely) used and researched include Andrographis paniculata, Phyllanthus amarus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Tinospora cordifolia, Ocimum sanctum, Withania somnifera and many others. All are long-established through scientific research as effective against viruses in general including corona viruses.
Whilst I am convinced ivermectin has had a major effect in India, I suspect that the widespread (if it is indeed widespread, I cannot confirm that) use of ayurvedic medicines in combination has significantly enhanced that.
Maybe R M Rao can comment on how widespread use of ayurvedic medicines is in India for treating covid-19, and whether they are used in combination with ivermectin or as alternative?
By the way, the same ayurvedic medicines are also very effective as prophylactic. Andrographis paniculata has already been approved as a treatment for covid-19 in Thailand, and like most of the others is widely available throughout the region.

Posted by: BM | Sep 27 2021 17:47 utc | 171

Posted by: vk | Sep 27 2021 17:07 utc | 168
The mRNA vaccines do not work very well, apparently. Ask the Israelis who are now hoping four doses will do the trick since two have clearly not. Doesn’t sound like these particular vaccines will get rid of the stress any time soon.
I really am not sure why you think Ivermectin is pseudoscience. Your stance seems clearly to be antiscience. I fail to understand your illogical position.
If you are referring solely to other vaccines such as inactive virus ones (Sinovac) and not the mRNA, then maybe you have a position. Read the article to understand why the mRNA vaccines may not be that effective.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 17:50 utc | 173

vk | Sep 27 2021 12:30 utc | 130
I think I understand your problem. You have not read the article so believe the arguments made encompass all vaccines, not just mRNA vaccines. You need to make clear which vaccines you are referring to. A vaccine based on traditional vaccine technology is, yes, cheaper to produce than mRNA vaccines, though not cheaper than a 5-day invermectin treatment, but that is irrelevant if the traditional vaccines work as advertised. Remember, the author is primarily interested in the mRNA vaccines here, not the others.
In any case, there seems to be sufficient evidence from India that ivermectin treatment when used early enough is effective. This does not mean that you need to refuse taking a traditional vaccine if known to be effective in reducing the transmission of the disease. MRNA vaccines are not clearly known to reduce transmission, but are feared to possibly cause the opposite in certain situations. The Isreali predicament is certainly an example of that.
Again, read the article posted at least three times above. It is very good at explaining some of this.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 27 2021 18:14 utc | 175

vk says white trash. When called out he does what any good Marxist would do, he starts a faction fight. Been that way since 1844. Do not take the bait.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Sep 27 2021 18:52 utc | 177

Again, covid-vaccines don’t prevent one from contracting covid or spreading it to others. They only help mitigate the disease’s severity, although in some cases that’s clearly in dispute. Once the disease is contracted, treatment’s still required to rid the body of the disease–vaccine’s don’t provide such treatment.
The vital info being withheld from the public–particularly in the West–is what can be used as effective treatment as all that’s being said is a circular argument to get vaccinated, which isn’t treatment.
Over time–generations–it’s possible for vaccines to eradicate a virus, but we aren’t anywhere near that point in the fight against the covid virus. Far more people would be alive today if treatment info was made widely available–published in all daily newspapers and broadcast on TV and Radio, none of which is occurring within the Outlaw US Empire–WHY?!?!!??? IMO, that’s the question that must be posed to all medical practitioners and politicos.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2021 19:02 utc | 179

Don Bacon 108
I am pretty sure that no president has any agency.
There is no left/right Trump/Biden/Obama when it comes to the big stuff. They might as well elect a potato.
The military feels free to overide special presidential orders … the media shuts their mouths and any presidential decisions can be overturned by one of the many apparatus.
I still get reeled in too.

Posted by: ld | Sep 27 2021 19:23 utc | 181

jinn | Sep 27 2021 18:52 utc | 178
Agreed that Trump was “one of them” and “permitted” to win.
I came across this info/ as a Twit a couple of days ago. Just to note that the voting irregularities have not been forgotten. Far from it. The date for the beginning of the use of Dominion voting machines was 2003.
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Sidney Powell. She had a Deposition of Dominion exec yesterday [Eric Coomer, the antifa pig who fixed elections for the past decade?]
– There was a back door to the voting machines built in from the very beginning, starting back in 2003
– Government owns patent to access these machines
– Government has patent from 2006 to pre-determine outcome of all elections (Defense Dept)
– Since 2005, a small group of people have owned all the patents on all the voting machines
– Real-time monitoring of elections
– Real-time changing of election results
– Dominion assigned its patents one year before election to …Hong Kong Shanghai bank of China
– Voting machines allow external access
– Dominion had 8-10 code writers in Serbia
– CIA owns Serbia
– Biden crime family has dealings in Serbia
Then … she dropped THIS:
– 2005 patent was not filed by Department of Defense, but by …
– National Institute of Health !!!
– She did not mention the name, but WHO runs NIH? TONY FAUCI !!!
The choice to know will be yours.
Now let this sink in a bit

Isolated tweet in a thread on another subject, Probabaly placed there to minimise risk of it being suppressed. However, I do not have any further information to add.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 27 2021 19:29 utc | 183

vk | Sep 27 2021 17:07 utc | 168
It’s fine to debate it. (No offense intended)
* Note that Ivermectin doesn’t work.
Sure it does.
* It is all conspiracy theory and pseudoscience.
You can track the ongoing studies in real time.
My point here is that, even if it worked, it would still be worse than taking the vaccine.
You compare not just the effects of a medicine but risks and side effects. Ivermectin looks safer but a lot of data is getting cooked. We’ll see.
* After all, you could get the severe form of the disease, against which even the most pro-Ivermectin ideologue claims the drug will not work against.
Again I disagree but will fact check my information on this.
* Why play Russian roulette?
I agree. If you are at risk pay for it as a prophylactic.
I am reluctant to recommend a traditional vaccine. That’s a maybe. Spike proteins are a toxin regardless of the formula.
There are numerous reasons to discontinue mRNA vaccines pending further information. They’re killing more people than they are saving. The proof is in the public domain now.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 27 2021 19:59 utc | 185

stonebird @183
You are a mess of contradictions. First you point out it matters not who you vote for and then you start babbling about about voting irregularities as if you think it does matter.
The way I understand the Dominion voting machines just scan paper ballots that have been marked by voters.
The ballots are preserved and when there is a recount the original paper ballots can be used to check the accuracy of the machines ability to scan the ballots. This what they did in Georgia and found that the Dominion machines had tabulated the hand marked paper ballots accurately. The interesting thing about Georgia is that, in 2016 when Trump won Georgia, that state was using a touch screen system where the machines left no paper trail and that means no possibility of auditing and no way of knowing if the machines were accurately recording the votes.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 27 2021 21:02 utc | 187

@179 Cont’d–
I asked my wife who is a certified medical billing coder if she’s seen any specific codings implemented for treatment of covid as opposed to hospitalization, and she said very few since there generally isn’t any follow-up to those cured of covid. In other words, there’s zero follow-up to discover how they were able to defeat the disease. Now, that struck us both as being rather odd in the case of a new virus, where one would think scientists would want to follow patients from beginning to end. Now, I’m willing to bet the USA’s national debt that China does exactly that type of patient tracking, which is why it’s been so successful at treatment and containment. And again today, Biden’s getting jabbed yet again and saying that until 98% of the USA’s populace is vaccinated, covid will remain a problem–but not one little word about what one can do if they get the virus.
No talk about treatment versus non-stop demands for vaccinations or else ought to make one ask why. Treatments are needed regardless if the infected were vaccinated or not. And then there’s essentially zero choice when it comes to which vaccine to take, which IMO violates informed consent. We do know that the Outlaw US Empire’s government lies about everything and anything and thus has zero credibility; so, why should it be believed when it comes to the many versions of available vaccines? And why hasn’t some sort of general order been issued regarding treatment? And then there’re those who’ve developed natural immunity without getting vaccinated, yet there’s no exemption for them from mandatory vaccination. Why?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2021 21:45 utc | 189

karlof1 189
I have been looking at all the same questions, especially the mandatory vaccination of those who have already had covid. The only answer I can come up with is these vaccines, more so Pfizer, are protection from a yet to be released strain or perhaps another pathogen entirely.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 27 2021 22:14 utc | 191

Thank you, B, for drawing attention to the article about Assange. It is very long, and I hope to find time to read the whole thing. Is Yahoo (of all people!) going to set the standard for muckraking?

Posted by: Platero | Sep 27 2021 22:34 utc | 193

The Collision of Two Opposing Green Destinies: COP26 and East Anglia’s Fraud (Matthew Ehret, Strategic Culture)
“With the world gearing up for Mark Carney’s upcoming COP26 Climate Summit in the UK this October 31”to November 12, “it is worth asking: Will China and India collaborate with other nations of the multipolar alliance once more to save the world from a supranational world government?
“The fact is that today’s efforts by an international financial elite to lock nation states into binding carbon reduction treaties is nothing new and was first attempted in December 2009. This was a period of profound instability as the world economy was trembling on a near meltdown of a $700 billion speculative bubble. We were also told that a new black plague was emerging with a novel influenza virus called H1N1. Back then, the Belt and Road Initiative was still four years from coming online, and Presidents Qaddafi, Assad, Mubarak and Bashir still could not guess what horrors they would yet face under the new regime change operation then still in its planning phase.
“But just like today, the goals behind COP14 were clear: Create new supranational mechanisms capable of penalizing nations from breaking CO2 reduction targets between 2009 and 2050. This new order of governance would of course only function through the creation of 1) a new system of global technocratic controls to help nations adapt to the new era of scarcity and de-growth, and 2) a new post-nation state system enforcing a rules-based order which could trump the wishes of selfish sovereign nation states who might otherwise make decisions in defense of their people instead of “wise” computer models.”
“On November 17, 2009, a major scandal erupted when 61 MB of data comprising thousands of emails internally circulated among the directors and researchers at East Anglia University’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) were made public….what was verified throughout the hundreds of emails between director Phil Jones and the teams of climatologists staffing the CRU was that vast scales of fraud were committed. Jones himself was caught red handed demanding that data sets be ignored and massaged in order to justify the climate models (such as Michael Mann’s fraudulent “hockey stick” made famous by Al Gore) which had all been used to sell the idea that CO2 was the greatest threat to humanity.”
During COP14…“Not only did Chinese and Indian delegates lock themselves in a room alongside other nations of the global south (notably including Sudan), refusing entry of Hillary Clinton and other western puppets attempting to “help” reach a consensus, but the leaders of both nations blocked all binding agreements from being set in stone.
“In December 2009, a former chief economic advisor to Putin stated that Russia had sent data to East Anglia’s CRU from 476 meteorological stations covering over 20% of the globe’s surface hosting a wide range of data from as far back as 1865 to 2005. Dr. Illarionov explained that he was dismayed to see that Phil Jones and the CRU entirely ignored the data from all but 121 stations. From those stations they did use, Jones and his team artificially cherry-picked data that gave off the false result that temperatures between 1860-1965 were 0.67 degrees colder than they truly were while temperatures from 1965-2005 were made artificially high.”
“Today, 12 years of propaganda have attempted to wipe Climate Gate from the internet and our collective memory as the same fallacious models and data sets have continued to be used to justify the sort of panicky fear-driven decisions to radically alter civilization forever.”
COP26 will again pit the west against the China-led alternative:
“Two Opposing Paths to a Green Future…
“Where one defines “sustainable development” as a euphemism for de-growth (and de-population) under a unipolar rules-based international order, the other looks towards “sustained development” as a driving force for long term growth, multipolarism and even population increases premised on large scale capital-intensive infrastructure building.”

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 27 2021 22:52 utc | 195

ADKC @195–
IMO, Ehret is way off base with that essay as in the first place he gets the reason for the 2008 financial crisis completely wrong: massive amounts of fraudulent lending, illegal speculating in markets–both stocks and bonds–and the complete abdication of enforcement led to the destruction of one of the largest private banks then in existence (more ought to have followed in its wake) and many billions in losses of capital for ordinary citizens through pension funds and other investment instruments–none of whom were bailed out unlike the criminal banksters that caused the entire mess. That entire debacle led to a huge loss of credibility for both government and business which proved them to be Anti-Human. That was swiftly followed by the Kosovo debacle then the illegal war waged on Libya.
After reading his essays for five years now, I can declare Ehret to be a very conflicted man being Anti-Science and Pro-Science simultaneously. If he would just focus on the rise of Neoliberalism where he’s very good, he’d have a strong following.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2021 23:43 utc | 197

@167 George W Oprisko
Finally I and others are answered as to the meaning of INDY in your posts. It’s your signature. Of course, so simple. Very friendly.
All this time I thought it had to be an acronym for something stentorian of biblical proportions.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 27 2021 23:54 utc | 199