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September 19, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-072

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other issues:



False Narratives:

  • 20 Years On, the War on Terror Grinds Along, With No End in Sight - New York Times
    The failures in Iraq and Afghanistan obscure what experts say is the striking success of a multilateral effort that extends to as many as 85 countries.
    Stephanie Savell @stephsavell - 16:57 UTC · Sep 17, 2021
    While I am glad that the New York Times used my research to show that the “War on Terror grinds on” in 85 countries, the argument that drives this article is misleading and is not based on evidence. Here’s why. [THREAD] 1/
  • To the Editor - Stephanie Savell / NYT
    > U.S. counterterrorism operations, especially drone strikes, cause blowback. Worldwide, there are more Islamist militant groups, and more recruits to those groups, than there were before 9/11. Historical research shows that a military approach has hardly ever been effective in addressing terrorist violence.

    It is alarming that this article gives the impression that the United States should engage in these counterterrorism operations in many countries, just as the U.S. is drawing down in Afghanistan. <

Use as open thread ...

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@Rever, Bernhard F., Odenwälder, Drive by Commenting, Francoise, ...

or whatever other name you will use

You are banned from this site for
a. Repeatedly insulting other commentators
b. Coming back despite promising not to
c. Sockpuppetry

All comments by you on this site will be deleted.

Posted by: b | Sep 19 2021 14:14 utc | 1

ABC full measure just presented facts on TV, showing all over America death by Covid is over stated 2x to 3x times. Even the death certificate of a person who died when a bridge gave way during a hurricane, they said (she was 1 of 7 who died in the recent hurricane) was certified as dying of Covid 19.. Colorado's numbers were shown to be overstated 2x (13000? vs 7000?.. In fact most deaths in some states seem to have been classified Covid 19..
In Alabama the death certificate of a person whose husband died of Cancer cause of death the full measure said was shown on the death certificate to be Covid 19. This whole things wreaks of RICO.. When and how can we go after these criminals and their propaganda monsters who invent and distribute misleading propaganda to support them.

Posted by: snake | Sep 19 2021 14:21 utc | 2

Jake Sullivan is clearly a gift that will keep on giving. Why is he there? Who's his handler? Is "Biden" really as bad at picking people as Trump was? Well, it says he comes from the Clinton side, that would explain it, has to be dumber than Hillary and Bill.

First we had Blinken, now we have Sullivan. I guess loyalty is all these days,

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 19 2021 14:26 utc | 3

The government spent millions of dollars beefing up security, the media spent thousands of hours ginning up fear, and a few dozen peaceful protestors showed up to show support for the January 6th 'insurrectionists' who were led by the nose by the FBI whose motto is In Sting Operations We Trust. USA! USA!

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 19 2021 14:31 utc | 4

Russia manage to weaponise many things. I think b at one stage listed many of the dual use items Russia was able to weaponse.
This though, courtesy of a Murdoch rag gets the prize.

"China weaponises the law and takes legal fight to the world"

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 14:47 utc | 5

Recommended read of the day:

Party leader’s article contributes to affirming significance and lasting vitality of Marxism-Leninism in present day

Specifically, I would like the reader to pay attention to points #7 and #9 - they highlight the main difference between Eastern and Western Marxisms.


Very cool story, one that is only widely known among historians who work in post-war History of Culture or specifically in general history of the post-war:

The Great Reset: How a ‘Managerial Revolution’ Was Plotted 80 Years Ago by a Trotskyist-turned-CIA Neocon

It's fascinating how the post-war period was, in the West, an era that consecrated so many low-grade, failed writers and pseudo-intellectuals. Such was the era of the "open season on Marx". Ironically, this proves Marx's theory that the economy is the ultimate determining factor, not ideology: capitalism was booming in the post-war, therefore any theory about its inevitable collapse was out of the political expedient; they had to dumb themselves down in order to keep the proverbial gravy train going.


No, Bloomberg, Amazon’s ‘factory towns’ will NOT solve inequality, they will be satanic mills for the working class

Up to 2008, there was the general belief - both in the Right and the Left - that the USA would transcend Marxism by becoming the postmodern society, the society where the industrial capitalist relations of production would not be valid. It would be the paradise of the white collar worker, the "middle class nation" (i.e. the classless nation).

Then 2008 happened. Now the USA is "re-proletarianizing", a process that culminated with the surprise election of Donald J. Trump and his "made in America", "Bring Manufacturing Back" doctrine.

After the anomalous period of the post-war and the Cold War, capitalism is coming back to its normal state. Marx discovered scientifically the mechanisms behind History.

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 14:54 utc | 6

I really do respect your belief in Marxism, VK.

"Ironically, this proves Marx's theory that the economy is the ultimate determining factor, not ideology"

But this is Materialism on my watch, not the morally/ pseudo canonised charged version of Materialist sociology theory called Marxism.


Posted by: AtVK | Sep 19 2021 15:17 utc | 7

Micron's and France's reactions to the USUKA (USUKA what?) accord have run according to stereotype: Boy Wonder Micron stamps his little feet and cries (cancels a US-France mutual-admiration bash at the embassy in Washington); clenches his little fists and screams (FM Le Drian whines about 'a stab in the back' on TV); is now holding his breath until he turns blue (has recalled his ambassadors to the US and Australia). The collective 'Biden' will be forced to sigh, roll his eyes, stroke Micron's hair and throw him a lolly (sign some empty, meaningless US-France 'accord' pledging eternal friendship and cooperation on something no one cares about and which costs almost nothing), then France will go back to its usual poodle function, yapping excitedly and licking its master's hand.

It's hard to know who to detest the most out of the four countries involved in the spat: none of them gave a flying f**k about the Pacific peoples when they carried out nuclear tests there between the 1950s and 1996. (The Australian governments of the time let the British do it on Aboriginal land.) As a Kiwi, I'm just relieved that NZ is out of the picture (now if Big Sister Jacinda would just close down the US Five-Eyes bases on our sacred soil, that would be cool as).

Posted by: B. Wildered | Sep 19 2021 15:31 utc | 8

@ B. Wildered | Sep 19 2021 15:31 utc | 8 who wrote

As a Kiwi, I'm just relieved that NZ is out of the picture (now if Big Sister Jacinda would just close down the US Five-Eyes bases on our sacred soil, that would be cool as).

Its a small world and I don't see NZ out of the picture until/unless it is under the umbrella of the other axis, which it is not currently, correct?

The shit show continues until it doesn't and we have a ways to go yet in spite of positive directional movement.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 19 2021 15:42 utc | 9

@ Posted by: AtVK | Sep 19 2021 15:17 utc | 7

No. The original Materialism (Feuerbach) was completely different from what even the average person nowadays calls "materialism".

Materialism as we use the concept today comes entirely from Marx. Nobody knows who the fuck Feuerbach was anymore.

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 15:42 utc | 10

My post above should of course end: 'Now if Big Sister Jacinda would just close down the US Five-Eyes bases on our sacred soil, that would be sweet as.' My apologies.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Sep 19 2021 15:45 utc | 11

psychohistorian 9

It would also be a good idea for Kiwis to have a government that swears allegiance to the Kiwi's rather than to a foreign country. Amongst the five-eyes though they would have to be called the lucky country as they did not park their country beside the US and are surplus to requirement/too far from the action when it comes to frontline military bases.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 15:58 utc | 12

l'important dans la vie n'est pas le triomphe mais le combat ; l'essentiel n'est pas d'avoir vaincu mais de s'être bien battu.

Pierre de Coubertin

Posted by: AnyName | Sep 19 2021 16:05 utc | 13

Bernhard, please, use my mail.

Posted by: F. DRANREB | Sep 19 2021 16:11 utc | 14

Until Govts can limit $ to politicians, we can't effectively govern with ANY system chosen. The monied elites will always have THIER interests pushed to the front of the line.

Guess that's just life, as it's been forever.....

Posted by: vetinLA | Sep 19 2021 16:12 utc | 15

Looks like the Russian communist party is the new US/UK candidate in Russia. The voting app that was put out in the novichok artists name was set up to send as many votes as possible to the Communist party. Its leader must be a bit of a character. He believes Jesus was the first communist... which reminds me - good friend Smith has not been about for awhile.

Communist Party chief Gennady Zyuganov said on Saturday - the second of three days of voting in the election - that police and the elections commission must respond to reports of "a number of absolutely egregious facts" including ballot-stuffing in several regions.

The Golos election-monitoring movement and independent media also reported violations including vote-buying and lax measures for guarding ballots at polling stations.

The Communists are seen as potentially benefiting from the "Smart Voting" program promoted by imprisoned opposition leader Alexei Navalny and his team, which aims to undermine United Russia by advising voters on which candidates are in the strongest position to defeat United Russia's candidates.

However, it's unclear how effective the program will be after Apple and Google removed Smart Voting apps from their stores under Kremlin pressure.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 16:14 utc | 16


Feuerbach could be termed a mechanical materialist (like a closed system almost) compared to Marx and Engels’ more reality-based dialectical materialism, historical materialism, an open system. Neither mechanical materialism or historical materialism have meaning similar to the common usage of today’s hyper capitalism’s materialism, the pursuit of wealth, status and power, individually focused at the expense of larger relationships and processes of interdependence,

The turn toward the sociology you mention came with the Frankfurt School which veered away from Marx’ materialism toward idealism. That is not to say ideology plays no role in dialectical historical processes. We make our own history in the circumstances into which we are born and ideology is part of this; part of the struggle is for defining narrative of material conditions by whom.

Thomas Piketty in Capital and Ideology has his own take on this, giving ideology a large role in shaping policy which shapes material conditions.

Posted by: suzan | Sep 19 2021 16:19 utc | 17

Russia has also cracked down on the US/UK terrorist/color revolution channel 'telegram'.

Jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's "Smart Voting" bot has disappeared from the Telegram messenger app following similar moves by Apple and Google on Friday at the start of a three-day parliamentary vote in Russia.

The bot, which instructed Navalny supporters which candidate they should back to unseat Kremlin-aligned politicians, was removed after Telegram announced it would "limit the functioning of bots associated with election campaigns."

Telegram's Russia-born founder Pavel Durov said he was following Apple and Google, which "dictate the rules of the game to developers like us".

In a post on his Telegram channel, he said the tech giants had "already this year" urged the encrypted messenger widely popular in Russia to remove information that violates the laws of individual countries or face exclusion from their app stores.

He said that removing election-related bots was related to Russia's ban on campaigning during voting.

"We consider this practice legitimate and urge Telegram users to respect it," Durov wrote late Friday.

I looked up Durov when he was busy promoting ISIS. Looks like some polite Russians have had a quiet word with him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 16:30 utc | 18

From my quote @18 "Telegram's Russia-born founder Pavel Durov said he was following Apple and Google, which "dictate the rules of the game to developers like us"."

Something to keep in mind regarding the massive promotion behind the phenomenon called ISIS.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 16:39 utc | 19


I see the distinction to Feuerbach and the Frankfurter now (although I had Robert Gilpin in mind), but in my mind the pure Marxian Materialism is still without historical direction. Why would there be information about the trajectory of matter within the matter itself? On top of that a trajectory of matter that manifests somehow within a multitude of human beings? Would objective matter not be indifferent to humans it forms?

Posted by: AtVK | Sep 19 2021 16:41 utc | 20

vetinLA #15:

Since governments are composed entirely of politicians dependent on campaign contributions for their election, this will NOT happen, or if it does, be so riddled with loopholes and workarounds as to be practically meaningless.

Bring back the Kings and Queens! One of the advantages of a hereditary system is that the monarch owes their throne to no-one and doesn't have to grovel to or placate would be campaign donors.

Also, elected people's vision of the future is limited to the date of the next election, serious long-term thinking and planning is not possible.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | Sep 19 2021 16:43 utc | 21

On top of that, it seems to me that ANY eschatology is more of a human construction than a material fact found within matter itself.

Posted by: AtVK | Sep 19 2021 16:44 utc | 22

vk @ 6 Marx discovered scientifically the mechanisms behind History."
and susan @ 17

Can either of you comment on if/why Marxism involved a scientific process?
I will be busy with the search for links.
IE my own research but what source would I trust?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 16:48 utc | 23

@ Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 16:48 utc | 21

Marx's complete works are available in the Marxists website, if I'm not mistaken (I have the books, so I really don't know).

The best source of Marx is Marx himself. Accept no middlemen.

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 16:53 utc | 24

@ Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 16:48 utc | 21

Forgot to tell: if you know German, you can go the the MEGA website, which has stuff that are unpublished in any other languages, as well as the published stuff (but that's more for the scholars, I heavily recommend starting to the stuff Marx published in life, as many anti-Marxists resort to obscure unpublished letters and manuscripts never intended for publication in order to discredit him).

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 16:56 utc | 25

@ Posted by: suzan | Sep 19 2021 16:19 utc | 17

Yes, the only other context I know the term is used is as a pejorative word used by Christians to designate every position, opinion or ideology that they perceive to be anti-Christian, i.e. as a sophisticated synonym for Antichristianism (i.e. antineoplatonism, if you want to keep within the realm of Philosophy).

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 17:00 utc | 26

What Was Biden's Diktat The Saudis Are So Furious About?

Re-posting from the end of that thread (which many may have missed)>

US Will Push [Is Pushing] More Arab States To Normalize With Israel

This month marked the one-year anniversary of Israel normalizing with the UAE and Bahrain. It seems likely that they wanted to make an announcement of more such progress on the first anniversary of the "Abraham Accords".

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Pressure on Saudi's to 'normalize' relations with Israel is just another example of Biden extending Trump's foreign policy.

Here's another:

Critics Blast "Absurd" Biden Admin First Major Military Deal With Saudi Arabia

Peace and human rights advocates on Friday accused President Joe Biden of breaking his promise to end American support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen after the US State Department approved a potential agreement to provide half a billion dollars worth of support services to the Middle East monarchy known for its pervasive human rights abuses and military atrocities.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 19 2021 17:14 utc | 27

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 16:30 utc | 18

I would not be surprised about that conversation that you talk about but there seems to be a more prosaic motive, as usual follow the money, Durov tried to create a digital currency and his efforts were crushed by the SEC, so suddenly he realized that empire likes pawns not partners and decided to get along with the folks back home. In any case an app distributed by IT giants is election meddling of the first sort, just imagine a foreign platform distributing apps for or against any party during a US election...

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2021 17:20 utc | 28

I was amazed by the story by Louise Mensch, that appeared on the Heat Street web site the day before the 2016 US presidential elections.

EXCLUSIVE: FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia - November 7, 2016

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

Louise Mensch is delusional, but every detail in this story has turned out to be true.

The basis of the FISA warrant is however fishy.

Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia? - Slate, October 31, 2016

This spring, a group of computer scientists set out to determine whether hackers were interfering with the Trump campaign. They found something they weren’t expecting.

In late July, one of these scientists—who asked to be referred to as Tea Leaves, a pseudonym that would protect his relationship with the networks and banks that employ him to sift their data—found what looked like malware emanating from Russia. The destination domain had Trump in its name, which of course attracted Tea Leaves’ attention. But his discovery of the data was pure happenstance—a surprising needle in a large haystack of DNS lookups on his screen. “I have an outlier here that connects to Russia in a strange way,” he wrote in his notes. He couldn’t quite figure it out at first. But what he saw was a bank in Moscow that kept irregularly pinging a server registered to the Trump Organization on Fifth Avenue.

The technical details in this story make no sense. No centralized log of DNS requests should exist outside the NSA. It seems unlikely that a "group of concerned computer scientists" could legally get access to such a database. The "computer scientists" have never revealed their sources and methods. At the core of the story must thus be a leak from intelligence agencies. The "concerned scientists" were never more than a front for the deep state.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 19 2021 17:21 utc | 29

B. Wildered | Sep 19 2021 15:31 utc | 8

NZ is to be a "safe space" in any upcoming hostlities which might lead to nuclear war. As long as private planes can land when they want to it will keep that function, as long as the Hobbitt queen has her way. (merci to whoever dreamt up that title.)


Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 16:14 utc | 16

The Golos election-monitoring movement and independent media also reported violations including vote-buying and lax measures for guarding ballots at polling stations.

The Golos movement has been accused of being financed by USAID. If so, I don't know why they are still there. They were represented at a "pre-briefing" how to screw up Russian elections.


The La Palma volcano in the Canary islands is erupting. For Doom pornistas; this is supposed to provoke a landslide which will, in turn provoke a mega Tsunami. (30 to 100 feet tall) As usual, after King Kong and Godzilla, all disasters head straight towards Manhattan.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 19 2021 17:24 utc | 30

New Zealand is not sovereign, but a suzerainty of the British Empire.

The New Zealand Oath of Allegiance as defined by the Oaths and Declarations Act 1957: "I, [name], swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."

Which God are they asking for help? They think they can fool God and be evil?

New Zealand is a VASSAL and a preferred bolthole for the ultra rich. Its position in the far southern hemisphere renders it less vulnerable to radioactive pollution released in the northern hemisphere. How many Bilderbergs have taken its citizenship?

Norman Kirk, a NZ Prime minister in the early 1970s died suddenly after moving against the interests of the US deep state. Norm was an outspoken critic of the US foreign policy and had a reputation as the most formidable debater of his time. “Kirk strongly protested against French nuclear weapons testing in the Pacific, in French Polynesia. It led to his government, along with Australia (under equally reform-minded prime minister Gough Whitlam, whom the US Deep state removed in a clandestine coup in 1975) taking France to the International Court of Justice in 1972 and sending two New Zealand navy frigates, HMNZS Canterbury and Otago, into the test zone area at Mururoa Atoll in a symbolic act of protest in 1973. Immediately after his election as Prime Minister, Kirk withdrew all New Zealand troops from Vietnam, ending that nation's eight-year involvement in the Vietnam War. He was highly critical of US foreign policy, speaking before the UN of the US involvement in the 1973 coup d'état in Chile.”

Many people in the Six Eyes just live off the loot and behave like Orcs (individuals without conscience). Gods are angry at Empire’s Orcs for being EVIL. Orcs can’t deceive. God is watching US! “In God We Trust”

Are there leaders with moral courage in Australia, Britain, Canada, Israel, New Zealand, U$A?

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 17:25 utc | 31

by: vetinLA @ 15 Until Govts can limit $ to politicians, we can't effectively govern with ANY system chosen. The monied elites will always have THIER interests pushed to the front of the line. Guess that's just life, as it's been forever.

A second government is the remedy to your observation that politicians and their use of government and expenditure of tax payer money be audited. But auditors and a court independent of the government being audited are needed. That court and the 2nd government it serves needs funding. The funding can come from a royalty paid to the 2nd government from the receipts of the primary government.The first government and its politicians do what governments are suppose to do (serve those it governs), while the 2nd government audits, charges and convicts those actors in the first government who violate by action or law either infringe human rights (corruption) or misappropriate taxpayer funds for personal or special interest purpose).

The 2nd government could also grade the performance of the politicians and at the same time, approve the acts of congress, as being non violative of the rights of mankind and or the bill of rights. At best the Courts of the 1st government will need to consult the 2nd government and its court on every constitutional issue it hears or refuses to hear.

There is just no reason to have a government if it violates or infringes on human rights
or operates in secret.

The Oligarch being the primary government will never willingly allow the 2nd government.
I believe some day a mass movement by those who are the governed will happen to bring about such a change.. In fact the 2nd government should be the only global government as it makes sure all nation state 1st governments do not violate human rights. While the 1st is splintered into 256 different nation state; the 2nd government should be the sole auditor for all 1st governments worldwide.
The 2nd government is a government that restricts and monitors the use of public funds to uses which serve those it governs (anything else is a violation of human rights) and at the same time no matter the service to the governed is the requirement not to violate anyone's inalienable human rights worldwide.

The 2nd government monitors the laws the 1st government lawmakers make, to be sure the inalienable rights of mankind are not violated by a law, and in the Case of the USA, the 2nd government would make sure the bill of rights are not infringed or violated by law, or by act or action of a lawmaker, a governor or an act of the 1st government.

I know this is dreamland, but watch it happen.. As more and more people come to understand the absolute necessity for a second government. i believe the digital platform is going to prove to be so prison like, that it will produce the demand needed to form the 2nd government. We will need to wait to see.

Posted by: snake | Sep 19 2021 17:27 utc | 32


Telegram was the go to, fail safe for ISIS to communicate with the world. Like cloudflare's server in Hong Kong, it was considered untouchable - out of reach of 'authorities'. It has been the go to app for every US color revolution.
ISIS was heavily brand managed and media marketed. Snuff flicks available even on youtube. Durov is very much a part of all that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 17:29 utc | 33

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 17:29 utc | 31

I know, he was Navalny's "team" -as they like to be called- favorite resource and know Pevchikh is crying foul harsher against Durov than against Google or Apple. It is all money, he got crushed by the US, so he now behaves after realizing that he reached his limit in the west and that if he behaves he'll be appreciated back home.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2021 17:35 utc | 34

Telegram... where does its revenue/funding come from?

Telegram is used by 100 million people every month
Every day, the service is replenished by another 350 thousand new users, and the servers deliver about 15 billion (!) messages per day.
And this is without the slightest expenditure on advertising and a team of PR specialists. The only person who keeps in touch with the media is Marcus Ra. He believes that most users not only the abundance of Telegram chips, but also the complete absence of advertising and spam on the service.

This has to be a massive data base for for big brother five-eyes.

As the legend says, the idea of creating it came to Pavel Durov even before he left the post of director of VKontakte. The developer really wanted the right to personal space for himself and others. As a result, on August 14, 2013, Telegram became available to all users of iOS devices — the first service that does not provide information about its users to any government.

The main feature is the privacy of each user. No one has access to personal files, and the correspondence is visible only to the person and his interlocutor. Cool, isn't it? In addition, when registering, each user comes up with his own unique "nickname", and the account is linked to a phone number. Accordingly, to log in on another device, you will have to pass verification using the code from the SMS. I.e., no one else will be able to get into the account without a phone.

So, Telegram, what is it and why is it needed? The main function of the is to provide us with the opportunity to conduct a dialogue or create conversations that can be accompanied by the exchange of files of various formats, including photos, videos or text documents. Since the release of the , a number of innovations have in it: free stickers, the ability to create bots, channels, edit messages and unlimited space for storing your own information.

Plenty were foolish enough to think big brother did not have apple encryption keys. Most paid the price.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 17:42 utc | 35


Thanks. From your link

Because of the U.S. court’s finding, “we have made the difficult decision not to proceed with TON,” Durov confirmed but noted that this decision could change in the future. “Sadly, the US judge is right about one thing … we are still dependent on the United States when it comes to finance and technology.”

Many of the house boys are now beginning to see they have no higher position in the empire than the blacks in the fields.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 17:50 utc | 36

First we had Blinken, now we have Sullivan. I guess loyalty is all these days,

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 19 2021 14:26 utc | 3

Blinken's stepsister is Leah Pisar. She was a minder for Bill in the Clinton Admin.

Both share the same father, the late Sam Pisar, Robert Maxwell's attorney and trusted friend.

Ghislaine and her siblings are friends since childhood of Blinken and Pisar.

Robert Maxwell and brazen Congressman John Tower, TX (plane crash) sold PROMIS software (spyware) to US gov and others.

A generation later, Isabel Maxwell sold Chiliad software to the FBI (which gave it rave reviews).

Posted by: Kristan hinton | Sep 19 2021 17:58 utc | 37

The Financial Empire is on autopilot to its END!

All things have a beginning, a middle, and an end. The Empire is out of luck! Its bubbles will bust! The only question is whether it will end peacefully and do the right thing?

If not, it will become a CALDERA (a large depression formed when a volcano erupts and collapses). Mount Doom (Debt) was a volcano 🌋 in Mordor (dark land), where the One Ring (Global Private Monetary/Financial Grid) was forged.

Once one answers the following questions, they will learn a lot.
— FOUNDERS - Who were the founders of the existing dominant socioeconomic system (Private monetary-financial system)?
— FRACTAL - What fractal can one derive based on the founders?
— FUTURE - Based on the fractal, what will be our future?

“Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.”
– Albert Einstein

Will the Empire do the right thing?

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 18:00 utc | 38

An excellent weekly roundup of articles by B, as usual. I would suggest one by veteran Syria observer Vanessa Beeley:

The so-called ‘cradle of the revolution’ against Assad has been liberated – the West’s campaign to topple him is all but over"

Besides the usual narrative-busting that we expect from Vanessa, she shows also a very keen turn at geopolitical analysis. Mainly the article is about the Syrian government's recent retaking of the restive Daraa region just south of Damascus, and includes a very illuminating recent history of this key troublespot---relying, as usual on her first-hand, on-the-ground investigating.

A fascinating story!

But she proceeds to connect a lot of recent events in region to the big-picture geopolitical chessboard:

What does this power shift mean for Damascus and the US Coalition including Israel?

It is important to review the Daraa events in the context of emerging geopolitical alliances and concessions, in order to grasp the significance of what has just happened in southern Syria.

On September 13, the Israeli Prime Minister, Naftali Bennet, visited Egypt for the first time in a decade, ostensibly to discuss Israel/Palestine relations with President Abdel Fatah Al-Sisi.

Egypt is moving towards normalisation of relations with Turkey, strained since the toppling of Muslim Brotherhood’s man in Cairo, President Mohammed Mursi, in 2013. The Egyptian Consul General in Damascus has intimated that conditions for a full recovery of Egyptian-Turkish bilateral relations is the withdrawal of Turkey from Syrian territory.

Perhaps the most significant concession to Damascus in the aftermath of Daraa has been made by the US itself.

Desperate to avoid Hezbollah being hailed as the champion of the Lebanese people after they secured oil supplies from Iran via Syria, the US Ambassador to Lebanon intervened to partially lift sanctions on Syria in order to facilitate the transfer of natural gas and electricity from Egypt to Lebanon via pipelines between Jordan and southern Syria...

This not only informs us why Daraa was pivotal to US energy and resource-theft plans in Syria, but also shows us the intelligence of the Damascus moves to secure Daraa at this pivotal point in the regional chess game.

The US has had its hand forced by a nation that has resisted its proxy military intervention for ten years and by Syria's most steadfast allies in Lebanon.

Most interesting of all is the recent visit of President Assad to Moscow:

During a 90-minute closed session, the two leaders discussed military, political and economic priorities that included the Daraa province return to Syrian state control and the potential full and final liberation of Idlib in the north-west from Turkish direct and proxy terrorist occupation.

This summit, and the Syrian/Russian slamming of both Turkish and US illegal occupation and annexation of Syrian territory, does not bode well for the NATO member state regime-change project that has been an expensive, abject failure since its initiation in 2011.

The consequences of the Daraa resolution will be far-reaching for Israel, Turkey and the CIA/MI6 project to control the Syrian central economic hub in the Middle East.

Damascus, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah have stolen the march on their enemies, despite the pressure Syria is under from the multi-spectrum war waged against it for ten years and it remains to be seen how the US Coalition will try to scramble back from this ignominious defeat and avoid admitting they have been forced to take a first step in normalising relations with President Assad.

So Syria could once again be on the front burner, after the Afghanistan situation, which seems to be moving steadily to a very good resolution that sees the US completely BANISHED from the region.

I will also note that the Engdahl article on fraying Saudi-US ties that B linked to is very illuminating. Some very good info on the Suadi-Iran rapprochement under way, but also the key historical context of the US plan to balkaninze the entire Middle East, which came post 9/11 as the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski doctrine.

Reading this, I kept thinking how the balkanization of Yugoslavia in the 1990s appeared to be the perfect dry run for this much more ambitious plan to do the same in the Mideast.

Of course, now it is clear that this project lies in ruins! The hothead Ponzi Empire has been decisively REJECTED!

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 19 2021 18:00 utc | 39

B. Wildered, psychohistorian, Peter AU1, apologies if I get any of your names wrong -- you all touch on a subject that is interesting me as a native kiwi as well. I remember during the Key administration that very important to the Five Eyes concept was a listening post at the bottom of the South Island, Waihopi I think it was called. We haven't heard much about it lately, but it was a hot topic at the height of Iraq ongoings, being somehow (I'm not technical) well situated for lots of communication coordination, or perhaps listening in.

But my thought now has been circulating around the concept of a triad rather than an axis -- past great literary and religious motifs have concerned duos, but duos indicate polarity (see Cain and Abel on the Biblical front - or the two brothers, Agamemnon and Menelaos for Ancient Greece, Troy and Athens and most wars of substance, one nation against another.)

I think both Russia and China clearly want the US to participate in a triad, though this country is far from being worthy of doing so at present. It has worthy roots, the creation of the UN, which both other major powers have taken full advantage of -- they use our best intentions.

New Zealand could be a good buffer between the US and the other two. I'm hoping there are already careful plans down under to do just that, even though the NZ government itself has a similar 'road back' to work on. I would love to see that happen.

Pipe dream? Well, it's Sunday.

Softly, softly, catchee monkey...

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:03 utc | 40

Silicon Valley billionaires are preparing for an impending “apocalypse” by building bunkers in remote New Zealand islands

Google's Larry Page has been granted New Zealand residency, boosting the country’s image as a refuge for tech billionaires. Is it all because the Pacific island nation is the best place to shelter from societal collapse?

"Saying you're 'buying a house in New Zealand' is kind of a wink, wink, say no more." So said Reid Hoffmann, LinkedIn co-founder, in an article in The New Yorker that caused a stir in 2017.
Three years before the pandemic was defined, the article " Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich " outlined the extent to which high-net-worth people were preparing for an apparently impending apocalypse. "We're buying a house in New Zealand" was code for "we're gearing up for Armageddon."

New Zealand is the most isolated rich country in the world and just last month was named by researchers from the Anglia Ruskin University in the United Kingdom as the best place to survive global societal collapse.

New Zealand: The ideal spot to ride out the apocalypse?

Posted by: Down South | Sep 19 2021 18:03 utc | 41

Gordog 39

I had kept a book mark to a pentagon pdf for a number of years but have lost that link now. It proposed a strategy of a draw down to its closest and not necessarily close but useful allies. That I think is very much what we are seeing now. The anglosphere plus those useful for attempting to take down China. The original plan was to get out of the middle east during Obama era pivot on China. The surges were perhaps designed to finish up those wars so the main pivot on China could comence, but instead mired the US deeper into the endless pointless wars.

Daraa has always been a trouble spot due to the US terrorist training and supply camp not far to the southeast and its proximity to the Jordan border.
US is starting to draw down in several bases in Iraq, but Daraa may continue be a trouble spot until US is entirely removed from Iraq and Jordan.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 18:18 utc | 42

Wouldn’t it be funny if when nukes started flying, our « elites » all went to New Zealand, only to be nuked there too ?

Maybe Aotearoa natives should start shopping for a house in another part of the globe. (Where ?)

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 19 2021 18:24 utc | 43

Max @ 38 FRACTAL - What fractal can one derive based on the founders?"
What do you mean here? Define fractal please. And yes I know what the term means generically.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 18:26 utc | 44

vk @ 26:

"...the term is used is as a pejorative word used by Christians to designate every position, opinion or ideology that they perceive to be anti-Christian..."

First, I don't know really what term you are referring to, but secondly I am going to call you on your use of the word 'Christians'. Even if the original term was 'materialism', there are large numbers of Christians which do not resort to excommunicating those in the category you outline. You will have to be much more specific as to which group in the larger gathering together of Christians you are castigating.

We 'other' Christians weary of this. (If you don't want to do the research, I suggest you insert the single word 'some' into such sentences.)

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:36 utc | 45

juliania 40

You have most likely read this bit if not, I think you would like reading it.

US really had something going for it in its earlier years. In the western world and I think most if not all the world its system of governance was unique.

There are a number of videos of Putin talking with and answering questions of school children, young ones through to teenagers. One teenager asked if due to all the world problems at this time he would prefer the 1800's. He said he much prefer the present day, as his grand parents could only be peasants but today he is a president.
A video here that I linked in one of the other threads about Putin's life as a boy.

I think both Russia and China clearly want the US to participate in a triad, though this country is far from being worthy of doing so at present. It has worthy roots, the creation of the UN, which both other major powers have taken full advantage of -- they use our best intentions.

I think not so much a triad, but to take part in the multi-polar world. Russia began preparing for the destruction of the US in 2002 when it pulled out of the ABM treaty and was blatantly backing the terrorists in Chechnya. In watching the anglosphere I cannot see them pulling back to being regional powers and subjecting themselves to international law. What is happening now is very much Hitlers Germany. I think both Russia and China will always leave the door open so the anglosphere can avoid the destruction it is heading for, but I am not sure they will use that open door.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 18:49 utc | 46

@ Kristan hinton (#37), thanks for the insights. Puppet Biden’s administration is filled with Empire’s lackeys, who just follow orders. They are there because of their connections. In this digitally connected era it is easy to connect dots. Sam Pisar is connected to Kissinger.

How long will this evil network remain hidden?

@ David G Horsman (#44), Human beings are composed of various dimensions, such as personality types, outlook, ambition,... The core common characteristics of a group defines its fractal. An example, a group of narcissist psychopaths filled with lust for power. Are there organizations where individuals with such personality are in abundance?

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 18:52 utc | 47

Pipe dream? Well, it's Sunday.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey...
juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:03 utc | 40

While my rehabilitation has enabled me to know it's Sunday, and thanks for confirming my intel, it's just another day. Monkey workie.

**Vk, susan et al.**

And today's interest in Marxism is just a extension of my interest in nightmare primates.
But we can dream. Well, you folks can. The only thing I dream of is endless scenarios of violence and destruction. Thankfully that's a rare thing.

In each case here presented as utopian or unlikely it's because the path to it will be violently opposed or it flies in the face of human nature.

Speaking as the project manager, like a hammer seeing a nail, I have a comment concerning the summaries I read today.

Marxism is in opposition to biology in one key respect. We are socially hierarchical using dominance.

What I like so far is it is immediately acknowledged. It attempts to conceptualize a compatible alternative beyond predicting conflict.

It so far meets my criteria as a social science. It has shown predictive power. It can categorize without contradiction? It doesn't have to and mentioned that as well but without it it lacks utility.

How am I doing so far? Of course my only concern is model comparability but that equates to an attached truth value. Knowledge requires reduction. Or am I speaking in tongues and not making any sense?

And where is james @? I didn't like the abuse heaped on him. We are both here to learn and be corrected.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 18:56 utc | 48

*model compatibility* looks the same as model comparability, sorry

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 18:58 utc | 49

Down South @ 41, there is no ideal spot to ride out the Apocalypse. I'm remembering the movie made from Nevil Shute's novel "On the Beach". Seems to me Gregory Peck's submarine visits Australia, and that was even before the megamunitions we have today.

Also, New Zealand sits at the westernmost anchor of the Ring of Fire. There's no bunker that can withstand what is frequently in store for its residents, as has happened in my lifetime. And runaway global warming, should that happen, will hit countries closest to the poles very hard. It already does. Given those are natural cataclysmic events in waiting, which only can be appropriately addressed if the world is working in unity, I only can predict for New Zealand what I suggested above.

I hope that any of the wealthy who choose that country to be their future home will be of the nature of Russian uberwealthy, only welcome to reside if they can contribute to the natural and peace-loving survival for that country and secondly as a positive contribution to the world at large -- exactly as Russia allows the wealthy to do in her neck of the woods. They will not be political power players in any other respect. Please kick them out, New Zealand, if they try.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:59 utc | 50

David G Horsman 48 "Marxism is in opposition to biology in one key respect. We are socially hierarchical using dominance."

You would need to spend time with a people that still used their hunter gatherer social system to get a correct answer for that one.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 19:11 utc | 51

juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:59 utc | 50
The reason the wealthy are frightened is that they know there will be cult like religions whose central beliefs blame them for the fall of civilization.

That will happen even if the cause is a space rock; and perhaps it should.

Hired armies with explosives implanted in their heads will still be unreliable due to suicide assassination if nothing else. I would expect genocidal efforts to kill off the locals. Lots of cannibalism. The end of civilization will be ugly.

They will be burned alive and buried in their bunkers. A few will survive.
There's your Mordor. Satan's minions and all that. That's my prediction for what it's worth.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 19:14 utc | 52

Yes, Peter AU1 @ 41, I should have said 'a triad in a multipolar world'. It would be the ultimate goal to function as elder brothers in the best sense to all nations being equally represented as we and they face the common disasters of the four horsemen of the biblical apocalypse - writ large as they currently have become.

That was originally the goal of the United Nations, even as it was being undercut as many have shown on this forum. Now it needs to be 'built back better' -- for THAT entity, not only as a slogan for one nation alone.

I was watching the last few days a lovely little orb-weaver spiderweb in my garden. It only can exist a few hours into the morning before winds or large insects take it apart; but when that happens, there are strands that stay in place, and during the night a beautiful web is built again.

Surely humans can emulate the spider? karlof1 and others are telling us it is already beginning to happen.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 19:18 utc | 53

Sorry to hear that james was subject to abuse elsewhere, David G Horsman @ 48 - it's getting hard to keep up. He's one of my favorite posters, so I do hope he is okay. This time of year our gardens require some work, though, Sundays as well, so he might be busy. And yes, when I worked I mostly had to work Sundays as the weekends were the times a senior like me with few practical marketable skills could find a dependable niche. Nice company there in that niche, though!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 19:32 utc | 54

@ juliania (#50), New Zealand itself is a VASSAL. How come it hasn’t won its freedom? People of suzerainties don’t want to be free? Which God are they asking for help?

Maybe one day Eywa, Narnia,.. will roar to do justice and trees will hang Empire’s lackeys and Orcs. The army of trees is at many places! Let the Empire show its evil characteristics. This way none will regret its end!

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 19:36 utc | 55

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 18:36 utc | 45

I have the impression that many communists consider Christ to be the first one among them. Zyuganov just said it in Russia, the CP candidate, and I am sure others have the same opinion. Theories can excite minds and overclock them, Raskolnikov comes to mind, theorizing murder for some uncertain higher good.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2021 19:39 utc | 56

Max best to take your caps and slogans elsewhere.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 19:41 utc | 57

RE: the US Empire losing Saudi Arabia

Does that mean the dollar is about to collapse?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Sep 19 2021 19:49 utc | 58

@ Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2021 18:56 utc | 48

Marxism is in opposition to biology in one key respect. We are socially hierarchical using dominance.

That's the neoconservative ideology, not the scientific true ("managerial revolution" hypothesis).

Read the article I linked here about the story of James Burnham.

As Marx once said: everything solid melts into thin air. Translating that to non-philosophical language, it means that, in the historical era, all of our beliefs, even our deepest beliefs (the ones which we treat as common sense, tautological), is historical, i.e. was fabricated by someone, somewhere, sometime. Ideology doesn't come naturally to the human being, it is always taught and developed in special circumstances (that is, History).

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 19:54 utc | 59

@ Peter AU1 (#57), how long have you and Australians been hiding the reality of Australia, it not being sovereign? Very rarely Australians talk about their oath of allegiance. When did you first start sharing this fact? Even Kevin Rudd runs away from this topic. Why? It exposes the reality of Australia.

There is more to come. Light is shining on lies and myths!

“Arrogance is a defining characteristic of factional thugs... there is no longer any intellectual integrity in the factions”
– Kevin Rudd

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 19:55 utc | 60

juliania 53

I often think about the current Russian leadership that rose out of the wreckage of the Russian 90's
Can something like that occur in the anglo countries? The ties to the English monarch would need to be broken, also the multinational intelligence organisation that controls the media and with that the politicians would need to be broken up.
But without a dream nothing will change so its best to have a dream.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 20:03 utc | 61

May I ask which western swamp you crawled out of max?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 20:12 utc | 62

@ Peter AU1 (#62), please first answer my questions and then I will answer your question. One can only lead by examples. Please be civil. I don’t want to engage in personal attacks, please focus on the subject matter and no digression.

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 20:18 utc | 63

Forgot to put another recommended read for the weekend:

Not so Evergrande

This article dispels in passing the myth of the "China has 300% of its GDP in debt":

It’s true that China has built up a debt mountain in recent years, of which property debt is a significant part. Total debt hit 317% of GDP in 2020. But most of this debt is in domestic currency and is owed by one state entity to another; from local government to state banks, from state banks to central government. When that is all netted off, the debt owed by households (54% of GDP) and corporations is not so high, while central government debt is low by global standards. Moreover, external dollar debt to GDP is very low (15%) and indeed the rest of the world owes China way more: 6% of global debt. China is a huge creditor to the world and has massive dollar and euro reserves, 50% larger than its dollar debt.

In other words, the 317% of the GDP is only true when you double count, triple count etc. etc. the debt denominated in Renminbi which the Chinese State owes to itself. They're duplicates and triplicates, the same amount of debt counted over and over many times.

Private debt is still very low by post-2008 meltdown standards (54% of the GDP), and, most important of all, debt in USDs is only 15% of all debt. Also, China is the largest world creditor, at 6% of the global debt.

Posted by: vk | Sep 19 2021 20:23 utc | 64

You are throwing insults based on nationality while carefully keeping yours hidden. As I said earlier - go elsewhere with your caps and slogans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 20:24 utc | 65

@snake #32
We have a 2nd government watching the first.
It is called the deep state.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2021 20:25 utc | 66

Paco @56, yes, theories do have those twists and turns as Raskolnikov discovered. His name means 'Old Believer', and I used to puzzle a bit over that.'Crime and Punishment' was given to Edward Snowden to read at Moskow Airport - that was a wise choice. And as you most probably know, the dominant question in the Russian movie "The Island" is "Why did Cain murder Abel?" I had to keep watching that movie online one Sunday even though it constantly had to be restarted, so only part of a scene at a time. The whole movie is needed to find the answer. What a movie!

I suspect it is also to be found in some novels of people like Faulkner - "East of Eden" maybe. I don't really know those; hope our library can be open soon!

I remember one of the first sentences in our ancient Greek grammar: 'All men desire the good.' Everything depends on what we think 'the good' is. Theories can trick one on that. So can theorists. So, last night I wanted to post the line "Sing sorrow sorrow, but good win out in the end". I went to the Greek, and the word there is 'eu' for 'good'. Not the same word as the one in my Greek grammar!

In the play 'Agamemnon', first in a triad of plays, Aeschylus uses the line 3 times (which is why that all stuck in my brain). Well the second play in the triad is 'The Eumenides' - so there's that 'eu' again! (It's in 'eugenics' as well. And in 'evangelist'.)

I came up with my own translation:

'Sorrow,sorrow declare; but may wellbeing be victorious!'

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 20:28 utc | 67

Here Max some soothing music (ABBA)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 20:30 utc | 68

These submarines - why does Australia insist on building submarines themselves when it's pretty obvious the only way to guarantee success is buying a finished product abroad and doing the maintenance in Australia?

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 19 2021 20:34 utc | 69

Passerby "why does Australia insist on building submarines themselves"

Most Australians would like to see some industry in Australia so it is mainly political vote buying.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 20:45 utc | 70

@ Peter AU1 (#62), stating reality about a suzerainty is not an insult. It is time to call countries without sovereignty, vassal or suzerainty.

“The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
- John F. Kennedy

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 20:58 utc | 71

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 20:28 utc | 67

Very interesting picture Ostrov, The Island, the main actor was a fantastic character, he passed away recently, Pyotr Mamonov, musician and actor he has excellent movies, like Taxi Blues, his last one I think was Zar, about Ivan the Terrible, I think you would enjoy it too, mostly winter scenes with incredible locations, actors and stage clothes.

Царь, Tsar film, trailer

Raskolnik has a wider meaning than just heretic, it means dissenter, dissident, secessionist, splitter, etc.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2021 21:06 utc | 72

b linked to Andrei Martyanov's take on the submarine deal.

A quote from it..
" the Anglo-Saxon world which is in a desperate fight for its survival as one of the global power poles. Simple as that."

US leaving Afghanistan was good but it was very much a repositioning. The last 20 years and the war of terror - the last 30 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, US and its hangers on have been wandering around somewhat aimlessly, destroying countries and experimenting with changing cultures simply because they could. Hogs at the trough very much ruled and everything was about money.
That has now changed and as Martyanov says its a desperate fight for survival as a power. The US and I would guess most of five-eyes education systems are wrecked but where they can't compete in military tech will be made up for with mothers perfidious albion traits.
Money for MIC, economy ect are no longer the driving force and will not be for the era we are entering. This is just straight out old style great power competition for dominance on the part of the anglosphere.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 21:13 utc | 73

there are large numbers of Christians which do not resort to excommunicating

True that, they murdered 400 million of my ancestors. We loved the small pox blankets and the cutting off of our tongues and hands.

Thanks millions.

Posted by: Jimmy Flies By | Sep 19 2021 21:24 utc | 74

Max @Sep19 20:58 #70: stating reality about a suzerainty is not an insult.

The insult was accusing Peter, a long-time commentator, of "hiding" the reality of his country's submission (as you did @Sep19 19:55 #60).

Now you insult the intelligence of everyone at the bar by pretending that you didn't insult him.

Furthermore, Peter's fundamental point, I think, is that you've brought a soapbox to a round table discussion. Clickbait questions and references to fantasy villains are for a different audience.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 19 2021 21:28 utc | 75

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2021 20:25 utc | 66
@snake #32
We have a 2nd government watching the first
It is called the deep state.

<=thanks for the reply, but I cannot agree, that the deep state is a government, and even if it were, it is not about human rights. The deep state is not a unified governmental whole. The deep state a collection of special interest thugs who act independently of each others needs (though some of them may team up at times). Each deep state member has a group in government it uses to enforce its demands. Each special interest has a channelized internal chain of command, but externally, that special interest does not act in response to violation of human rights, the deep states protects no one, the deep states is an aggressor with an agenda and not an auditor with power to punish violations. It is the deep state that demands government do this or that, but rarely is the demand made by the same member of the deep state. The deep state uses government to effect its various tyrannies on those it targets. The 2nd government would protect humanity from deep state imposed tyrannies. I think it is correct to say Tyranny is the same thing as violating human rights?

Posted by: snake | Sep 19 2021 21:32 utc | 76

Peter AU1 | 69

"Most Australians would like to see some industry in Australia"

That's very nicely said, it made me smile. I know next to nothing about Australia, and the few Australians I ever met I ran into in Scotland, of all places (this country is swarming with Australians and also people from New Zealand, for some reason). But could it be that some politicians in Australia are set on taking the country "nuclear"? It's a non-nuclear nation as of now, isn't it? There don't seem to be any nuclear power plants. But there's this now, the SILEX technology for uranium enrichment, an Australian invention. 2018: "Silex Systems abandoned its plans for GLE, intending to repatriate the SILEX technology to Australia." Then for this year: "Silex Systems took majority ownership (51%) of GLE, with Cameco (49%) as minority owner. The path to market for the venture is underpinned by an agreement between GLE and the US Department of Energy under which DOE uranium tailings will be made available for the proposed Paducah Laser Enrichment project. Silex’s technology will be used to produce natural grade uranium from the tailings."

What do you make of all this?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2021 21:46 utc | 77

David G Horsman @ 48 again, I went for a hunt for James, starting with last Sunday's week-in-review -- and on that he replies to me @256 that he hopes I will stay friends with my neighbor [yes, james, I will!] and that he will be on holiday for a week commencing this weekend... So here's hoping he has a happy one, full of wellbeing. And thanks, David G -- I would probably have missed that comment - I think I checked the later midweek open forum, but somehow didn't go back to the Sunday one, sorry james! Very good advice you gave me there.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 21:50 utc | 78

@B Wildered, 8

now if Big Sister Jacinda would just close down the US Five-Eyes bases on our sacred soil

Not going to happen. She is an alumni of the WEF's Young-Leaders-of-Tomorrow programme.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 19 2021 21:52 utc | 79

One more piece of Sunday reading I'm going to toss up here:

At 91, creaky Clint Eastwood starring in new movie ‘Cry Macho’ perfectly mirrors delusional America’s decline

A highly satisfying rant by RT movie critic Michael McCaffrey. 👍

The once-great Clint Eastwood was the embodiment of America, and his artistic deterioration mirrors the country’s precipitous fall. This feebleness is perfectly captured in the thoroughly underwhelming ‘Cry Macho.’

Now, I must admit I do have a soft spot for ole Clint. And McCaffrey pays him due respect...but it's some of the ridiculous storyline, where this old feller is doing completely improbable things, like punching guys out, and making women in their prime of life swoon that is the problem.

I haven't seen the film, nor do I have a habit of wasting time on hollywood sap, but this review is an excellent commentary.

This aggressive self-delusion is the perfect embodiment of the current state of the American empire, which is in a sorry condition but sees the ruggedly handsome Clint Eastwood of 1965 in the mirror instead of the more accurate reflection of the feeble Clint Eastwood of today.

This level of delusion is equivalent to those American voters who convinced themselves that Joe Biden wasn’t a failing, establishment stooge or that Donald Trump was anything but a bloated, bloviating reality-TV buffoon.

Yup. The delusion runs very deep in the land of disney. And not just among the bourgeois, but also vast swaths of the hoi polloi, who eagerly buy and swallow the grandiose bologna. Some even show up in this comment space, lol.

...the decrepit Clint Eastwood of today perfectly reflects the current state of America, as he’s delusional and feeble.

The reality is that America pretending it’s anything but a decadent nation in a death spiral doesn’t change that fact, it just maintains the facade for those too frightened to admit the truth.

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 19 2021 21:56 utc | 80

Thank you, Paco @ 71. When I was studying 'Crime and Punishment' our teacher said that Raskolnikov meant 'Old Believer.' We never used the word 'heretic' in our church, so perhaps that was the reason. It does make sense to have it be a more general term like 'dissenter', so thank you for that.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 19 2021 21:59 utc | 81

@JackRabbit, previous thread-end.

Thanks for the clarifications. For the benefit of other readers, I was "playing back" what what I thought JR said in a previous exchange.

Tom : Fear is the major obstacle to understanding Empire

JR: I didn't say that. Fear is an obstacle to acting, not understanding.

Guilt/self-interest is an obstacle to understanding though, as in the saying: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”


Tom, again attempting to replay what he thought JR said: Empire doesn't care about individual action - no threat

JackRabbit: I didn't say that. I said they manage the "little people".

Clearly, individuals like Assange and Snowden have been deemed threats.

===== Some rejoinder to JackRabbit:

Fear is indeed an obstacle to understanding, JR. Fear prevents people from looking in places where they think there's danger.

Let's take a closer look at the instances of Assange and Snowden. These guys did major beehive-kicking. They are extraordinary / extreme cases, and so are not great indices of the Empire's response to a lowly "little people" like me trying to figure out if there's truly an Empire entity, if it has discernible structure, components/function, inter-connect (supply and comm), and so forth.

Taking this subject a few steps further...there seems to be a few key questions I must ask myself:

a. If I knew Empires' goals, architecture (structure, component-function) and interconnect, how would that affect my behavior? What would I do differently if I had that info?

b. Is fear keeping me stuck in a limbo-land of uncertainty? Is there a way to manage the fear? How does one "manage" fear? Well you scale it, ID the consequences of failure/reprisal, the likelihood of that reprisal, and the actions to _not_ take in order to invite that reprisal. That's what I'm trying to suss out, JackRabbit. Trying to sketch out the morphology of this fear-thing.

Those are interesting questions. Over the course of the next few weeks, I'll continue to mull them over, and see what comes of it.

Now, here's another thought experiment. Instead of framing the situation as "I must avoid/fear/run from Empire et. al", e.g. "what am I trying to avoid"...what if I frame the situation as:

"What am I trying to _get_?"

No doubt you'll recall the 60s and the hippies, and the free love and wonderful nirvana that seemed so close at hand. The lesson I learned from the 60s is that being a protest movement isn't all that effective _unless and until_ one can formulate _and then implement_ an alternative.

And this is where the wheels usually come off the wagon with a thud.

My general instinct is to focus on the alternatives, and opt _myself_ into them. There are many on the MOA board - Juliania, James, Karlof1, come immediately to mind..there are several others... who seem to be struggling mightily to define an alternative.

Remember Buckminster Fuller who said "“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

I'll stop there, on that subject for now, and invite yours or anyone else's commentary.

And to PeterAU1, who said the Anglosphere is fighting a war of survival, and that econ was not relevant/not the main theater of operations...

I say that's not so at all. It's mighty tough to project force around the world when your economy is collapsing around you, Peter. The West, and the U.S. to a very significant degree is on thin economic ice. And they know it quite well.

Trump: You EC, you pay for your protection! Give us money!
Trump: You Saudis! you pay for your protection! Give us money!
Biden: We need to get out of these endless wars.

Shake-down, shake-down, cut-loss. Hmmm.

PeterAU1, why do you think the U.S. can continue to spend at current levels? I'm not seeing that as possible. We're one big market correction, failed Treasury issue, currency exchange-rate correction, trade war with China away from "emperor has no clothes" moment. The world knows it, we know it. It's out there.

The economy and the global faith in the U.S. financial system, and the buying-power that provides, is on thin ice. No money, no force projection. It's wobbling.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 19 2021 22:00 utc | 82

@ Jackrabbit (#74), please don’t pursue your bad habit of interference. You preach non-interference. Please practice what you preach.

Asking a question (#60), “how long have you and Australians been hiding the reality of Australia, it not being sovereign?”, is not insulting. Then you want to generalize on a cockamamie criteria. Like many times before you’re behaving inappropriately. This is the way that mist of lies and myths is maintained in our world. People like lies and myths that flatter their egos, not reality that flatten their egos.

If one were to generalize like you, then one can’t blame it on oligarchs. They behave exactly the way you’re behaving. Plutocracy thinks they’re rich and better than others. When others get rich they will have a seat at the table. Maybe they see wealth as a measure of intelligence. If you challenge one oligarch, they see that as an insult and challenge to their rule, STATUS QUO. Your generalization is absurd.

It is unfortunate that people lack imagination.

“What is bad is not that man lives and dies, but what dies within man while he lives. Perhaps the most important thing that dies within man while he lives is his imagination.”
– Albert Schweitzer

Posted by: Max | Sep 19 2021 22:03 utc | 83

@Posted by: cirsium | Sep 19 2021 21:52 utc | 78

Yep, you just can't beat the WEF/Foundation/Rhodes Scholarship co-option game of world leaders and thinkers:

"The Forum of Young Global Leaders was founded in 2005 by Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum ... Notable members include prime ministers Jacinda Ardern [New Zealand] and Sanna Marin [Finland], President Carlos Alvarado Quesada of Costa Rica, actor Yao Chen, lawyer Amal Clooney [George Clooney's wife] and filmmaker Wanuri Kahiu."
Another is Annalena Baerbock, the head of the German Green Party, and Anammie Paul (head of the Canada Green Party) has also been fully Soros etc. NGO'd. The powers that be are working hard to stitch up the "progressive" left and green parties.

A current class includes Ibram X. Kendi! I would also watch out for a possible meteoric rise of Jessica Jackson in the US, has the perfect background to shield her real programming.

Read it and weep!

Posted by: Roger | Sep 19 2021 22:11 utc | 84

Scotch Bingeington 76

I believe we are going directly to nuclear weapons and nuclear powered ships and subs. US will own and man the ships and subs but Australia is building its own missiles which began in the Trump era. I think there will also be various forms of US nuclear weapons here.

Some years ago we commenced sales of uranium to India which I think is not a signatory to the non proliferation treaty or one relevant such treaty and there was a bit of a fuss over that. I think that was the Abbott government who headed what is now the Morrison crowd. As far as I know there is nothing happening in the way of nuclear power stations but I can see this crowd in power now turning uranium into weapons grade material.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 22:11 utc | 85

Posted by Jackrabbit @ 27

Who wrote:

"What Was Biden's Diktat The Saudis Are So Furious About?

US Will Push [Is Pushing] More Arab States To Normalize With Israel

This month marked the one-year anniversary of Israel normalizing with the UAE and Bahrain. It seems likely that they wanted to make an announcement of more such progress on the first anniversary of the "Abraham Accords".

Pressure on Saudi's to 'normalize' relations with Israel is just another example of Biden extending Trump's foreign policy."
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You are right, it is obvious. US foreign policy and its relation with foreign countries is ALWAYS about the bandit state.

Possibly the Arab and Muslim world is upset about the daily, but unreported by 'western' MSM, zionist violations of worshippers at the Al Aqsa mosque complex. Lets not forget the routine daily breaches of the Geneva Conventions and international law by the ugly occupiers of Palestine.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 19 2021 22:22 utc | 86

Talking of nukes China has a very blunt message for Japan. Stay out of the Taiwan dispute.

Posted by: dh | Sep 19 2021 22:23 utc | 87

RE: Marx. One can systematically download the MECW from the website. The Penguin Marx is still excellent (for Early Writings, Grundrisse and Kapital vols 1-3). For my own work I prefer the key formative period, 1841-8 (published or not): his PhD (a scientific thesis on Greek atomism), Notes on Lucretius (formative studies of Greek materialism > Epicureanism, which links Marx to Spinoza indirectly), but more crucially his Critique of Hegel's Doctrine of the State and On the Jewish Question. This should be read alongside Feuerbach's critique of religion and Hegel's Rechtsphilosophie. Then for Marx's humanism and anthropology: the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. This period, as he acknowledged plainly in his famous preface of 1859, was the crucible of all his later more scientific refinements. It is exhilarating to read a brilliant young mind (he was only in his 20s!) discover the standpoint on which to overturn the two centuries of philosophy since Descartes.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 19 2021 22:25 utc | 88

Gordog @39--

Thanks for expounding on Vanessa Beeley's article. She's been top-notch going on ten years now. Atop the connections she makes consider what was just added to the Eurasian Bloc's formal organization: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are now in the same circle with Turkey, Iran, Russia, and China. I also expect Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Serbia to be added to that mix over the next two years, and some others as well. Remember Putin saying the "portfolio" of nations knocking on the SCO's door was large, but not surprisingly so. Xi gave a speech to CELAC:

"Xi delivers video speech to CELAC 6th Summit, calls for building community of shared future between China, LatAm." [My Emphasis]

Those bolded words and constantly uttering the Mantra of allegiance to the UN Charter and its International Law at every Summit and its inclusion in every Summit Declaration has occurred nonstop since 2014 and IMO has overcome the Outlaw US Empire's BigLie of democracy and human rights and constitutes a victory of the highest order for Russia, China, and the peace-loving nations of the world.

Yes, this is all Big Picture stuff. BRICS is still intact as BRICS despite the best efforts to destroy it by turning Brazil and India against the project. That's a defeat seldom mentioned here at the bar but it exists and certainly informs my calculus. Recall the very select if few words I've cited by General Hyten. Then we have the other revelation of General Milley whose actions Finnian Cunningham does an excellent job of putting into context. Neither Hyten nor Milley--both senior officers on the Joint Chiefs of Staff--don't want war with Russia or China. Do, please, let that sink in.

The Outlaw US Empire is facing a financial crisis of the nth degree and is a Paper Tiger when it comes to its genuine economic strength as I've been showing since 2016 and Trump proved beyond doubt with his Trade War and Tax and Fed policies. There's next to no money to finance even a very modest MAGA--unless--the Empire and Military get big time austerity treatment--AND--the oligarchs are deprived of their illgotten wealth. So, we see retreat and redeployment while rattling sabers--100% policy disarray. The CIA might be flush with cash from its many illegal operations, but the rest of the government's deep in the red.

If I know what I know, then others do as well. Within the Establishment, there's an ongoing battle that began back in 2014-5 when the Ukraine gambit came up empty--No Crimea--that allowed Trump to wedge his way in since the reckless Clinton/Neocon way of Empire was seen for what it is--fascist. Trump with help from many, especially Pompeo and Bolton, further escalated policy disarray, which Biden and crew have escalated even further as global PR begins to go against the Empire thanks to the most recent Afghan drone murder of innocent children. And then there're the huge domestic problems that continue to fester and grow. And midterms are still 14 months away.

(Watched the twenty-five year old film Outbreak last night for the first time, although the missus had already. The best scene was showing how the virus could be spread via expectorant within a crowded movie theatre, followed by Hoffman's tracing the HVAC system from one area of the building being used for triage to another showing how the virus could move that way. I also commented on the military's NBC posture when they arrived at the town--it was abysmal as many were unmasked.)

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2021 22:31 utc | 89

Roger 83

In looking at the English monarch as head of state and the five-eyes intel agreement I had forgotten Rhodes.
Matthew Ehret wrote a few pieces on the American Loyalists and Britain's efforts to bring America back into the fold. Rhodes was one of the originators of those efforts.
For Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the ties to UK and US are like a systemic cancer that has invaded every organ. No one of these countries can break free on their own. With the current circling of the anglosphere wagons it becomes easier to see how strong those ties are.
It has been my though since MH17 that the US must collapse or be destroyed before there is any chance of Ca, Au and NZ becoming independent states. Even then it may be difficult to break free of UK but I think the shock of the US collapsing would wake many people up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 22:34 utc | 90

Sewing seeds of division
in this psychotic prison
They have built the walls
that wound our empty souls
that keep us in the dark
digging deeper in the hole

Sewing seeds of fear
as they push the ending near
selling death and war
prostitues that whore
all the weapons you will need
to make the children bleed.

Planting distractions
Inciting reactions
Diverting attention
from your murderous intention.

Undiscerning proles
don't want to look too close
we all lick the bowl
of the truth we like the most

Let us fight amongst ourselves
who would cross the great divide
to listen to the enemy
on the ‘other’ side

Everybody knows
money rules the show
We pretend we have control
then we choose the status quo
It’s insane and we’re to blame
which only proves the more we know
the more we stay the same.

Posted by: ld | Sep 19 2021 22:42 utc | 91

@vk #59

Yes, historicism: one of Marx's great legacies. "Always historicize!" (Jameson). As soon as anyone says "but human beings are naturally..." you catch the whiff of present myth/ideology masquerading as universally valid laws. We are historically-embodied beings who self-actualize politically in unique non-transferable discrete moments. That's why history is a very difficult discipline and full of lazy thinkers (including myself in a younger day). In fact, the History Channel is the worst case of intellectual vandalism ever perpetrated. The MSM depend on poor history (which, to modify Germaine Greer, is worse than no history).

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 19 2021 22:51 utc | 92

How many know Iran's attacking Iraqi Kurdistan:

"Iran’s Revolutionary Guards launched multiple missile, artillery and drone attacks into Iraqi Kurdistan over the past ten days after warning that Tehran would not tolerate a buildup of jihadists and other militias in the area."

So, what's this all about:

"Bagheri reserved special criticism for authorities in Iraqi Kurdistan, urging the latter not to allow US and Israeli 'mercenaries' to establish training camps, television and radio stations and other facilities along Iran’s borders, threatening to 'annihilate' such camps, and demanding that the US close its military facility near the Erbil airport. The Erbil base has already come under repeated attack by Shiite militias allied to the Baghdad government in recent months....

"'If the presence of the terrorist groups and their evil acts continue, we will annihilate them by repeating and expanding our operations, until they completely leave [the area],' Bagheri warned in his comments Sunday."

Several weeks ago, Iran decided to directly attack the Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion in Kurdistan after issuing numerous warnings. As one might imagine, the Iranians aren't playing games and will continue to assault the terrorists, although Iran has yet to inject ground troops. So, we have another facet playing into Beeley's situational assessment. I'm so very curious to know what was discussed and decided at the SCO and CSTO Summits aside from what we've been told. I very much sense a turning of the tide.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2021 22:58 utc | 93

karlof1 92

I had done a few searches of the MSM and checked on a couple of twitter accounts over the last few days as I had read an account of the US pulling out of Iraq, but had not run onto any mention of that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 23:19 utc | 94

by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2021 22:58 utc | 92 Eurasian Bloc's formal organization: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are now in the same circle with Turkey, Iran, Russia, and China. I also expect Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Serbia to be added to that mix over the next two years, and some others as well.

<=i saw, the other day,[that Iran promised to annihilate the terrorist groups and punish their evil acts ].. but I did not see the statement that Iran will not tolerate any Terrorist Foreign Legion, in Kurdistan occupied Iraq. .. How does Russia, China, Turkey, India, Pakistan, feel about this? Looks to me as if the Ottoman empire is rising from its ashes? I would be surprised if this were important enough to be discussed at SCO or CSTO summits?
what does 'not tolerate' mean?
How many Kurds are in this region of Iraq?

Posted by: snake | Sep 19 2021 23:23 utc | 95

Want to know something hilarious? The worst Modi regime media moron, Arnab Goswami of Republic TV, said in a live debate that he had proof from intelligence sources that Pakistani intelligence agents were in Kabul in a particular hotel and could even name the room on the 5th floor where they were.

The hotel in question only has three floors.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 19 2021 23:38 utc | 96

Brilliant and accurate article on history repeating itself in Australia:

The Paris 'Peace' Conference 1919-1920 was a disaster for the world. That was the real great game on display. It was a rigged game before it began.

Peanuts like Australia's Billy Hughes took the crumbs while in exchange the big boys, like the compromised and malleable Pres. W. Wilson, grabbed what they really wanted. The world is still suffering from this disaster.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 19 2021 23:57 utc | 97

dh 86

Considering Japan killed well over twenty million Chinese, used Chinese as guinea pigs in their bio warfare tests, they really should e keeping their mouths shut. Once things kick off, Australia with its turn on China and nuclear ambitions will also get it share of Chinese attention.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2021 23:57 utc | 98

Karlof, thanks for your comments at 88 and 92.

About the SCO summit: an interesting point for me, which you may be also aware of, is that of a meeting on the sidelines of the quartet, Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan on the Afghanistan issue. A joint statement was issued!

The Ministers emphasized that the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Afghanistan should be respected, the basic principle of "Afghan-led, Afghan-owned" should be implemented, and the rights to pursue peace, stability, development and prosperity by the Afghan people should be maintained.


The Ministers decided to continue coordination between Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran on Afghanistan and hold meetings at the ministerial, special envoy and the ambassadorial levels in due course.

I think this shows clearly who has taken the wheel on Afghanistan. As many of us commented in recent weeks, the main players are on the same page!

Bhadrakumar has his usual silly take on the summit, claiming that India played the spoiler in terms of group unanimity on Afghanistan, and this is true...but he wades firmly into clownworld territory by denigrating the SCO as somehow neutered by India's proxy antics for the US.

This is quite stupid, and is one of the blinders of Bhadrakumar, who still imagines the US is some kind of big player in the region---which is completely DELUSIONAL.

The calibrated US strategy vis-a-vis the Taliban aims at American reentry into the Afghan theatre so that the Pentagon and the CIA can pursue the “strategic competition” with Russia and China and destabilise Iran.

Wow! Talk about a complete BONEHEAD. How does he imagine the US will 'get back' into the Afghan 'theater'? Beam me up Scotty?

Not a single country bordering Afghanistan, a LAND-LOCKED country, is willing to give the US the time of day on Afghanistan. Much less roll out the red carpet, so the decrepit paper empire can bomb Afghanistan!

But fear not, Bhadrakumar, who apparently doesn't know how to read a map, makes a big deal out of Blinken and Modi's scheme to use India [which doesn't border Afghanistan.

the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken disclosed this week in Congressional hearings in Washington that Biden Administration is engaged “deeply” in discussions with India for facilitating the US’ “over-the-horizon” attacks on Afghan targets that are being planned.

That kind of clinical-level delusion is simply pathetic. Over-the-horizon my ass. There is no way to get to Afghanistan from India, without overflying Pakistani-controlled territory. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

Not now. Not anymore. Imran Khan has made that more than clear. And we see that this new quartet has come together with a purpose.

Btw, a good piece on the state of Pak-US relations in the journal NEO: The Gap between Washington and Islamabad is Widening

As is often the case with the clown Bhadrakumar, he does sometimes snap back to reality and provides some coherent and relevant info:

The Indian stance is contrary to the approach of not only Russia and China, but Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, the two biggest Central Asian states, as well.

He goes on to quote the Uzbek president, urging engagement with the Taliban, and the Kazakh president also, in even stronger terms.

Pakistani PM Imran Khan has had a “lengthy” meeting with Tajik president Emomali Rahmon and he subsequently told the Kremlin’s RT channel that he is working with Afghanistan’s neighbours to determine what the current setup in Kabul can do in order to gain the international community’s recognition.

Like I said, everyone on the same page. The idea that the US is going to play any role at all is nil. It is a huge defeat for the unraveling empire, and everyone is savoring it quite sweetly!

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 20 2021 0:00 utc | 99

"The Conspiracy Theorists Were Right; It Is a “Poison-Death Shot” - LewRockwell"
By Mike Whitney

Reprinted from UNZ

Did you folks see this article? It is a concise prosecution of Covid power grab and medical malpractice.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 20 2021 0:13 utc | 100

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