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September 15, 2021
Open Thread 2021-71
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If mRNA gene clips do not block infection or kill viri, what do they do? Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2021 18:32 utc | 1 Here is a great article by Alfred W McCoy on the real victor in Afghanistan …. China. Posted by: Paul | Sep 15 2021 18:48 utc | 2 Paul Rogers Craig is no longer a credible source of analysis. Much like his attempts to explain away his “trickle down economics” and his entire lunacy on the causes of the US war to preserve the union and free the slave–he adds nothing but obfuscation–NO ONE EVER SAID THE VACINES PREVENTED INFECTION–when the virus began spreading under Trump- I referred to it as the Trump virus. Other pointed out it was the “boomer broom”. Now of course in the US it is “the Red death”. Another 2560 unvaccinated Americans died today from the “red death”. Posted by: wobblie | Sep 15 2021 18:52 utc | 3 Posted by: Paul | Sep 15 2021 18:48 utc | 2 Posted by: v | Sep 15 2021 18:56 utc | 4 Snake@1 Posted by: simon crow | Sep 15 2021 19:06 utc | 5 @ 3 wobblie – 1934 yesterday according to worldometers … data for today not in yet.. Posted by: james | Sep 15 2021 19:06 utc | 6 my post is tied up in moderation.. first time that has happened in a long time… worldometers link and a Geert Vanden Bossche link.. hopefully it shows up later.. Posted by: james | Sep 15 2021 19:07 utc | 7 It was fun to see Trump get up on stage and praise the burka like he was doing some kind of shock stand up routine. I say “shock” because although I understood the sentiment – Afghan women by and large aren’t the feminists Western liberals imagine them to be – it must have been a shock to the conservatives in the audience who spent about a decade worrying about Sharia law’s imminent imposition under Obama. Posted by: fnord | Sep 15 2021 19:18 utc | 8 Very interesting interview by Jimmy Dore of Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA. I am very pro vaccination, but this really made me think about the right balance between vaccines, ivermectin, masks, lockdowns etc. Posted by: Roger | Sep 15 2021 19:43 utc | 9 Paul thanks for posting this article it was very good! Posted by: Susan | Sep 15 2021 19:46 utc | 10 Below is a short but telling quote from a ZH piece Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2021 19:52 utc | 11 Private money vs Public Money Posted by: Max | Sep 15 2021 19:53 utc | 12 Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2021 18:32 utc | 1 Posted by: Paco | Sep 15 2021 19:59 utc | 13 Another datapoint is emerging about the empire’s attempted standoff against China and below are a quote from a Sydney Morning Herald article Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2021 19:59 utc | 14 Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2021 19:59 utc | 13 Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 20:19 utc | 15 …and while I’m here: what’s going on with Evergrande? What do the China-watchers make of this? Exaggerated my the MSM? Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 20:22 utc | 17 Roger @8, I saw that as well. Dore had COVID earlier on, experiences long COVID symptoms, had a bad reaction to the vaccine, and currently participating in an Ivermectin trial study. Or in other words, has lived with some context with which to add to the conversation. Posted by: Pyrrho | Sep 15 2021 20:26 utc | 18 @ 5; This is an open forum, say what you want to say. Doesn’t mean people must read it. Posted by: vetinLA | Sep 15 2021 20:40 utc | 19 Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2021 18:32 utc | 1 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 15 2021 20:41 utc | 20 Posted by: Susan | Sep 15 2021 19:46 utc | 9 Posted by: Paul | Sep 15 2021 20:50 utc | 21 Susan @9 Posted by: Ron McKenzie | Sep 15 2021 20:53 utc | 23 Keiser Report discusses cause of Debt Deflation then talks with Dr. Hudson. Max does some quick math revealing 75% of the Outlaw US Empire’s GDP is “Fraud” to which Hudson concurs. So, it’s even worse that I thought–50%–so genuine GDP is somewhere between $4-6Trillion. According to Daily Mail, Biden says he fully supports Milley. Posted by: Lysias | Sep 15 2021 21:01 utc | 25 Paul @20– John Bolton vanished shortly after leaving Trump Administration, but recently he re-emerged on the western coast of British Islands (Scilly, Cornwall, Wales and Ireland), amusing locals with his antiques (they call him Wally the Walrus), and wrecking small yachts from time to time. For all of that, his past work for the Empire leads to a gentle treatment by the authorities, they provided him with a pontoon to rest… Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 15 2021 21:25 utc | 28 Patroklos @16: “what’s going on with Evergrande?” Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2021 21:31 utc | 29 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2021 21:14 utc | 26 Posted by: Paul | Sep 15 2021 21:36 utc | 30 Posted by: Paul | Sep 15 2021 18:48 utc | 2 Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 21:42 utc | 31 @Posted by: wobblie | Sep 15 2021 18:52 utc | 3 Posted by: miller | Sep 15 2021 21:43 utc | 32 @ Paul #2 Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 21:44 utc | 33 Where are our looted TRILLIONS? Posted by: Max | Sep 15 2021 21:51 utc | 34 @Piotr Berman (27) Posted by: bjd | Sep 15 2021 21:53 utc | 35 @ Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2021 19:59 utc | 13 Posted by: D.G. | Sep 15 2021 22:35 utc | 36 @ Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 20:22 utc | 16 BBC Radio was nattering about Evil Dictator Gaddafi, and Libya’s 2 governments last night. Apparently Haftar is holding up Libya’s progress toward recovery from Gaddafi’s reckless economic policies aka ‘wasting’ Libya’s resources on improving life for Libyans. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 15 2021 22:40 utc | 38 Posted by: Roger | Sep 15 2021 19:43 utc | 8 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 15 2021 22:45 utc | 39 D.G. 35 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2021 22:49 utc | 40 karlof1 | Sep 15 2021 20:55 utc | 23 Posted by: chu teh | Sep 15 2021 22:51 utc | 41 From DG’s link Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2021 23:09 utc | 42 I did not expect mayhem on 9/11. I think the psychological effect would be greater days or weeks later. Interestingly enough Yom Kippur is only a few days later this year 18:46 on 15 September 2021 when it is 11:46 in the eastern U.$ and runs for 25 hours. However, that is not all, the SCO meeting starts after it begins on 16th. Will there be serious bad Karma, real or manufactured on the Day of Atonement perhaps meant to derail the entry of Iran? Anyone else speculating about that possibility? Posted by: William Haught | Sep 15 2021 23:52 utc | 43 I posted this into the previous thread. It’s important enough to repeat here. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 16 2021 0:02 utc | 44 Re: fnord | Sep 15 2021 19:18 utc | 7 Posted by: William Haught | Sep 16 2021 0:05 utc | 45 Since the additional electricity to power EVs will probably come from natural gas, even though demand for oil may fall, any decline for *petroleum* will be much smaller. Posted by: William Haught | Sep 16 2021 0:08 utc | 46 snake #1 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 0:11 utc | 47 uncle tungsten Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2021 0:34 utc | 48 I still don’t know what a repo is, but damn if this video doesn’t break down the relationship between the FED and the Shadow Banking system and why an inevitable interest rate rise will doom us all to a greater, great depression. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 16 2021 0:34 utc | 49 Tom Pfotzer @43– AUKUS. Pronounced Orc Us. Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Sep 16 2021 0:50 utc | 51 @45 William Haught Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 16 2021 1:02 utc | 53 @48 ” China and Russia, with their precious metal holdings, stand to inherit the reins on a global financial system.” Posted by: dh | Sep 16 2021 1:18 utc | 54 @49 Karlof1 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 16 2021 1:25 utc | 55 psychohistorian #13 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 1:35 utc | 56 William Haught #42
Yes. Perhaps more like anticipating. I guess the SCO team have contingencies in place. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 1:43 utc | 57 Jimmy Dore just posted an important COVID video about the vaccine disaster, with Dr. Robert Malone. Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Sep 16 2021 1:51 utc | 58 Roger @ 8, Posted by: ReconFire | Sep 16 2021 1:54 utc | 59 Syria matters
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 2:12 utc | 60 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2021 21:31 utc | 28 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 16 2021 2:38 utc | 61 Since when has the US cared about the human rights of muslims? Posted by: Paul | Sep 16 2021 2:46 utc | 62 @50 I suspect that the phrase will be “built for but not with”. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 3:04 utc | 63 Anyone else notice that Joe Biden forgot Scott Morrison’s name during the press conference? Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 3:10 utc | 64 Two headlines in my newsfeed this morning: Posted by: Kukulkan | Sep 16 2021 3:48 utc | 65 @ Tom Pfotzer (#43), Tesla or EV is no surprise to those living in the innovation sphere. It was on the radar screen since its first product launch and when it went public in 2010. Posted by: Max | Sep 16 2021 4:11 utc | 66 Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 15 2021 21:42 utc | 30 Posted by: Paul | Sep 16 2021 4:29 utc | 67 Below is an interesting posting from Xinhuanet that somewhat describes the medical “insurance” system in China as well as health care. If this insurance is a private service then the mixed economy of China is more private than I thought. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 16 2021 4:29 utc | 68 From Paul’s Tomdispatch link at No 2:
The key difference is that South Vietnam was, though a shambolic and disintegrating country, still a country at war with another country. The puppet child sex slaver Quisling warlord regime army of the Amerikastani citizen Ashraf Ghani was asked to fight against its own people for a hyper corrupt and utterly vile Vichy regime that was the slave of a murderous foreign invader. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 16 2021 4:40 utc | 69 @63 Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 3:10 utc Posted by: imo | Sep 16 2021 4:41 utc | 70 Thanks to all those recommending the Jimmy Dore interview with Dr. Robert Malone – well worth the time. Also, to james @ 6, thank you for your attempted link; I hope it surfaces at some point. Dr. Malone mentioned with respect the efforts of Dr. Bossche, I was glad to see. And it was commenter John who gave a link to his line of worries about vaccination in a time of pandemic, so thanks to him also. Posted by: juliania | Sep 16 2021 4:50 utc | 71 Posted by Yeah, Right @ 63 Posted by: Paul | Sep 16 2021 5:07 utc | 72 trying one more time for a link that didn’t post earlier… Posted by: james | Sep 16 2021 5:25 utc | 73 @43 Tom Pfotzer Posted by: m | Sep 16 2021 6:01 utc | 74 Philippine government warning: Posted by: Paul | Sep 16 2021 7:00 utc | 75 @69 Agreed. Nuclear powered submarines are not cheap. I suspect they are the second-most expensive naval vessels on the planet behind the Ford class carrier. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 7:11 utc | 76 Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 7:11 utc | 75 Posted by: Paul | Sep 16 2021 7:28 utc | 77 I just read that Scott Morrison is claiming that Australia will build eight – count ’em, eight – nuclear submarines in the shipyard in Adelaide. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 8:02 utc | 78 New Eastern Outlook has a take on the realignment of the USA vs Middle East and the Saudi shuffle in particular here. It is worth considering.
Well perhaps they might be willing but I doubt that comes without conditions. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 8:19 utc | 79 Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 8:02 utc | 77 Posted by: JD | Sep 16 2021 8:51 utc | 80 Tajikistan is happening now.
More on this at New Eastern Outlook. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 9:02 utc | 81 Turns out it wasn’t that interesting at all. Posted by: simon crow | Sep 16 2021 9:23 utc | 82 Ken McCallum is an interesting spook as head of MI5 with interesting mates and a past that is so truly Perfidious Albion that he would frighten a treacherous dog off. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 9:56 utc | 83 @11: Private vs Public Money Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Sep 16 2021 9:58 utc | 84 Post rant addendum:
Worth a read and there is much more. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 10:05 utc | 85 Instant Pharma’s Gonna Get You….dynamite interview with inventor of mRNA Dr. Robert Malone who says we should all be outraged at what is going on! Corruption right up to the executive office. Posted by: Vlad Lennon | Sep 16 2021 10:24 utc | 86
I am beginning to comprehend why there are Israeli trade offices in the Kurdish region of Iraq and why the current US ‘withdrawal’ is perplexing for some.
The interconnections and treachery involved in stealing Iraq’s oil and gas are made clear: “The former British Petroleum (BP) chief executive running Genel Energy was followed in this scheme by major US oil companies Exxon Mobil, Chevron and others, bolstering Kurdish plans to break Baghdad’s control over oil shipments from the Kurdistan region. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 10:29 utc | 87 Great video of Jimmy Dore and Dr. Robert Malone inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology says everyone on this planet should be outraged over the BS coming from governments and media. A must watch! Posted by: Vlad Lennon | Sep 16 2021 10:30 utc | 88 Dammit…………sorry everyone Posted by: Vlad Lennon | Sep 16 2021 10:31 utc | 89 Maracatu #21 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 16 2021 11:00 utc | 90 @79 JD “So this AUKUS plan has no more clear a roadmap to actual subs than the original deal with now royally shafted French contractors?” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 16 2021 11:01 utc | 91 This saga of the submarines Down Under reminds me of our own submarine saga. Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2021 12:17 utc | 92 This link should work Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2021 12:19 utc | 93 https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1438447298997067783?s=20 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 16 2021 12:36 utc | 94 BTW, I’m planning to purchase a beginner level quadcopter drone for photography purposes. Can anyone give me pointers on what to look for in the specs? Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 16 2021 12:38 utc | 95 BTW, I’m planning to purchase a beginner level quadcopter drone for photography purposes. Can anyone give me pointers on what to look for in the specs? Posted by: Lucci | Sep 16 2021 12:56 utc | 96 Scum Mo’s AUKUS nuke submarine scam has dominated the Fake News today. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 16 2021 13:09 utc | 97 @imo | Sep 16 2021 4:41 utc | 69
Is something similar going on with the ‘disruption’ of the ‘just in time’ delivery of chips/electronics and other goods originating in China? I have an order pending for a new computer monitor. Last year I ordered the same monitor and it was delivered in less than 2 days. Now I have waited 6 weeks so far, and estimated delivery is still yesterday. So I guess China simply decided to reduce exports and ask the domestic market to increase consumption instead. Then wait for the white flag. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2021 13:10 utc | 98 @Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 16 2021 13:09 utc | 96
David Attenborough is known to be economical with the truth
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Norwegian @ 97 Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2021 13:30 utc | 100 |
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