Here, Giraldi states something that ought to be readily recognized but is seldom mentioned:
“When it becomes a crime to reveal a crime, you know that it is the criminals who are actually in charge.”
Will Western publics ever act on this logic?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 18:58 utc | 3

While I found the covid thread interesting I don’t want to see a repeat. I hope this thread doesn’t evolve into another one.

Posted by: David F | Sep 9 2021 19:42 utc | 5

Trial by headlines.
Trial by smoke.
Reuters main page bold headline:
EXCLUSIVE Proud Boys leader urged group not to ‘turn on each other’ in riot probe
The encroachment was a “riot”, but then in the subtext it is a given
that it was “the violent Jan 6 **insurrection**”.
subtext:
“As four of his fellow Proud Boy leaders sat in jail this summer, charged with conspiracy in the violent Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, the group’s chairman, Enrique Tarrio, sent out a private audio message to colleagues around the country. ”
A nothingburger of an article but it generates sensational EXCLUSIVE main headlines
to pollute the reader’s minds with talk of insurrection.
It also creates the stinking impression that the Proud Boys have something to hide
about their knowledge of the “insurrection”
and here was “the group’s chairman” (an FBI informant, remember)
telling everyone to keep their mouths shut.
The “chairman”, Tarrio, is a known FBI informant. It evens mentions his previous work as an FBI plant in the article
if you bothered to read that far.
The FBI conveniently sidelined their informant Enrique Tarrio two days before the Jan 6 encroachment.
The FBI knew what Tarrio knew about the Jan 6 gathering.
He hasn’t been charged.
But he is good for some headlines.
And creating a stink.

Posted by: librul | Sep 9 2021 19:58 utc | 7

librul | Sep 9 2021 19:58 utc | 7
Trump, for whatever he may have been was effectively banned from all media during what should have been an election campaign. That was a sure sign a color revolution had taken place.
“The “chairman”, Tarrio, is a known FBI informant. It evens mentions his previous work as an FBI plant in the article”
The “insurrection” was also of great benefit for the color revolution. No doubt the trail of the so called insurrection will lead back to the planners of the color revolution.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2021 20:27 utc | 9

Less than 2 days to 20th anniversary of 9-11
Media silence is deafening. Only stories about “911 conspiracies” are allowed.
If you disagree with the 9-11 Commission Report, if you raise reasonable questions about the government narrative – as many people who would not otherwise be considered “conspiracy theorists’ have, then you are a “9-11 conspiracy theorist”.
Our children are told patriotic fairytales but little if anything about the disturbing facts that prompt people to question the 9-11 narrative:

• Neocons calling for a ‘New Pearl Harbor’ to re-make the Middle East;
• Israeli involvement
  • tracking the terrorists for months but only warning USA two weeks before the attack
  • the strangely convenient (life-saving) absence of the Jewish oligarch that owned the WTC buildings on the day of the 9-11 attack – he always had breakfast at the restaurant at the top of the towers – except on that day
  • Israelis (acknowledged as Mossad operatives) who danced in joy as the towers fell
• Serious questions about the free-fall of WTC7 and the powerful interests that benefited – like ending the case against Enron/Anderson;
• Saudi involvement
  • The hijackers were Saudi
  • Saudis (mostly individuals) funded al Queda
  • Bush allowed all Saudi to leave the country – preventing any attempt to question them
  • Lawsuits against the Saudi government met with numerous roadblocks from USA government
  • Ossama bin Laden’s history with the CIA
• Bush Administration’s rush to cleanup the 9-11 site (viewed by some as destroying of evidence) led to the death and injury of hundreds of people that worked 9-11 ‘pile’ of debris as they were sickened by the toxins that the Bush Administration had declared to be at safe levels.

This is not an exhaustive list.
<> <> <> <> <>
Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia – Along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Others

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.
Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.
The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.
. . .
At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.
Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals for public record.
The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia’s retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
He sat through the entire hearing …
Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: “Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan.”
The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was “almost certainly” being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials.
Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2021 20:37 utc | 11

What happened to all those Afghan 40,000 desperados that landed in the USA. Well they traveled from one remote US failure to the homeland of US failure.
Buck passing in crisis mode:

The State Department is failing to give [the Pentagon] adequate information… They don’t know exactly how many [evacuees] are even there. So they can’t account for someone if they don’t return. And they are telling the people if you go and you don’t come back, that will end your Visa processing. If they want free, they are gone. There is nobody to keep them from leaving,” Green asserted.
He remained downbeat about a Fox News host’s remarks that General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, insisted that Afghan evacuees are allegedly going through several levels of databases to define their validity for transportation to the US.
Green, in turn, argued that “we don’t have biometrics on a good portion of these people and we can’t really get information from State because they won’t provide names […]”. According to him, US authorities “won’t even tell us how many American citizens they evacuated. We tried to get that number through the National Defense Authorisation Act (NDAA) the other day and I could not get that past. It is just crazy. This State Department is a complete failure”.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 9 2021 20:51 utc | 13

Jackrabbit @ 11: Good post, damn shame we can’t have something similar on MSM, instead of the usual “we must never forget”, BS whitewashing, and hand-wringing that the MSM plies the public with on 9/11.

Posted by: vetinLA | Sep 9 2021 20:54 utc | 15

NC @ 12; Cool, do say what you want, but, as for me, the “C” word discussion has ended. Find your “personal truth” as you will:)

Posted by: vetinLA | Sep 9 2021 20:59 utc | 17

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 9 2021 20:40 utc | 12
Yes, it is a bizarre situation unfolding and there must be debate about it somewhere, anywhere. It’s got nothing to do with choice and everything to do with opportunistic state action and big Pharma locking in a permanent siphon hooked up to the public purse. Here in NSW (Australia) the Premier has announced that once the state hits 70% double-jabbed everything will open up——but only for the double-jabbed. I’m ok, I’ve had both doses mostly because I caved in to the moral pressure and am surrounded by colleagues and family who would ostracise me if they knew what I really thought. I’m satisfied that the risk to me from covid is low (lower than the flu was in another time) and that the vaccines can be no worse. Novel or not it’s a seasonal respiratory illness: they’ve been around a while, they’ll be with a good while yet. But it’s the roll-out of a massive state surveillance apparatus that’s got me concerned. The biopolitical implications are far-reaching and we won’t ever get the toothpaste back in the tube. We now have a digital passport with all documents that we have to scan when we go ANYWHERE. If you don’t have this you’re nobody, no one, homo sacer. It’s just the beginning of the denial of service to all those who display behaviours deemed inappropriate, subversive, etc etc. Not woke? you can’t come in. Heute: vax macht frei. Morgen: KZs for the asocials.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 9 2021 21:13 utc | 19

A new form of “influence government”, which uses sensitive personal data to craft campaigns aimed at altering behaviour has been “supercharged” by the rise of big tech firms, researchers have warned.
Here the Guardian describes how the British government uses online data collection to identify “at risk” individuals who would benefit from corrective online ads or even a visit from the man. Examples given in the article are fairly innocuous, but it’s easy to predict how this could spiral into governments actively targeting propaganda to individuals who question official narratives. Of course, it will be for our own good…

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 9 2021 21:36 utc | 21

It turned out to be herring farts. For 15 years Sweden thought enemy submarines were invading its territory
https://qsstudy.com/other/it-turned-out-to-be-herring-farts-for-15-years-sweden-thought-enemy-submarines-were-invading-its-territory

Posted by: urblintz | Sep 9 2021 21:45 utc | 23

What does this mean in plain language please?
‘ We estimated the duration and determinants of antibody response after SARS-CoV-2 infection in the general population using representative data from 7,256 United Kingdom COVID-19 infection survey participants who had positive swab SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests from 26-April-2020 to 14-June-2021. A latent class model classified 24% of participants as ‘non-responders’ not developing anti-spike antibodies. These seronegative non-responders were older, had higher SARS-CoV-2 cycle threshold values during infection (i.e. lower viral burden), and less frequently reported any symptoms. Among those who seroconverted, using Bayesian linear mixed models, the estimated anti-spike IgG peak level was 7.3-fold higher than the level previously associated with 50% protection against reinfection, with higher peak levels in older participants and those of non-white ethnicity. The estimated anti-spike IgG half-life was 184 days, being longer in females and those of white ethnicity. We estimated antibody levels associated with protection against reinfection likely last 1.5-2 years on average, with levels associated with protection from severe infection present for several years. ‘
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.02.21259897v1

Posted by: DG | Sep 9 2021 21:48 utc | 25

NEO presents a report that shines a warm light on the King Abdullah of Jordan and posits that he will be the primary mediator in any change in the decades old Israeli belligerence and divide and conquer game.

Significant efforts have also been made in the latter period by King Abdullah II to resolve the major Middle Eastern problem – the fate of the Palestinian state. To this end, the Jordanian monarch met with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas in Cairo on September 2. They discussed the revival of the Middle East peace process and the strengthening of the ceasefire with Israel and the “two-state solution”. They declared that the Palestinians have the right to an independent state with East Jerusalem as its capital, which Israel categorically opposes. The leaders of Egypt and Jordan also protested against the expansion of Israeli settlements and the demolition of Palestinian structures.
On August 29, King Abdullah II met with Israeli President Yitzhak Herzog in Amman to discuss “strategic issues” and build relations between the countries. In July, Israeli Prime Minister Bennett also paid an informal visit to King Abdullah II in Amman. And in February, Defense Minister Beni Ganz secretly went to Jordan. It was the first meeting between Abdullah II and Yitzhak Herzog in three years. The Israeli president’s informal visit to Amman was, according to regional media estimates, another sign of warming relations between Israel and Jordan, which have been deadlocked during the Netanyahu administration and further confirmed the Jordanian monarch’s growing “mediation potential” in recent times.

Its worth the minute or two to read but it is absent any analysis of what, if anything, has changed in Israel since Nuttyahoo’s departure. This is the crux of it all really and can only be evidenced by a cessation of occupying illegal settlements, the liberation of Palestine to conduct its own affairs including shipping entry from the Mediterranean etc etc. If that independent, unfettered capacity is not returned to Palestine then nothing will really change.
The people in Lebanon can see what their fate is to be under Israel’s world view as they gaze on Palestine and Gaza every day. Every day they spiral down to that end. If the King of Jordan can catalyze a transformation of this crushing descent, he will be a great leader. Good luck.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 9 2021 22:05 utc | 27

@19 patroklos
Worrying doesn’t help.
I am at home on leave and draining my sick time since learning I will have to submit to the medical therapeutic to keep my job. Watching horror movies, taking naps, organizing my house and other chores long-neglected. For breakfast this morning I gathered some tomatoes and zucchini from the garden, fried them up, and put them on top of some cheesy corn grits.
It was a good morning.
It is easy to digest this whole thing if you have hope that we are waking up from a nightmare and not descending into one. This overreach is just rearranging the proverbial deck chairs, as the economy restructuring is what is really at play.
Digital currency under a central, guiding-hand. Not to say we shouldn’t be out in the streets right now wrt the passports, but it is pittance compared to digital control over a dissenter’s wallet.
Hard to fathom why many can’t see this next obvious step. And how to convince them of this evil? Well, just let them know that there may come a time again where their own politics are not reflected in the ruling government. At that moment, regret might set in, but too little, too late.
So tell them to at least stay outta the way of the crazy right-wingers on their way to the Capital with several lengths of rope on their belt.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 9 2021 22:23 utc | 29

Thanks for the open thread. Okay not going to talk about Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. So I agree with the rabbit above !! – 20 years from the hollywood extravaganza that started it all and 20 years later no real challenge to the “Official Story” of 911. Trillions of dollars, millions of lives and nations destroyed, including the United States and most everyone is like “move along, nothing to see here, move along.”
Does anyone still believe in Lee Harvey Osama?

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 9 2021 22:50 utc | 31

How the mighty USA have fallen, Once it was ‘Our man in Havana’ and now its ‘Our cricket in Havana’.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 9 2021 20:30 utc | 10
With all respect, you got it wrong, uncle. Those were ENEMY CRICKETS, not “our crickets”. So instead “spy versus spy” we have “spy versus cricket”. In the balance, you are right: selective plagues carried by locust, frogs etc. signify the wrath of Heavens and are portents of the fall to come and decline that already happened.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 9 2021 23:25 utc | 33

This article is about recent events in Buffalo, NY, but also provides a look at and many clues to what’s very wrong within the entire Outlaw US Empire. While reading, one ought to think of what the fate would be for those who are so obviously corrupt if Buffalo were in China.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 23:53 utc | 35

@30 Don Bacon
The only thing your linked table indicates is that even with vaccine-uptake at a moderate level in San Diego around April, the death-rate for vaccinated is only slightly better than for unvaccinated after this point, and that could be for a variety of other reasons beyond vaccination status.
Your shocking unvaccinated deaths stat of +1,300 means very little if San Diego was experiencing a ghastly surge of deaths right around the time the vaccines were first made available. In other words, because moderate uptake had not taken effect at that point, we can not say for certain one way or the other via your graph or this one here if vaccines had a substantial effect or not wrt to that surge of deaths.
Look deeper, Don.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10 2021 0:11 utc | 37

@ David F
If you can fight, fight. If you need a rest, rest. Take care of yourself to not crack.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10 2021 0:14 utc | 39

At 3 above, I linked to Giraldi’s latest but didn’t offer any discussion of its content. Here’s his basic argument:
“Based on my own experience, the often-cited fundamental evil of the intelligence community was seldom visible, though that appears to have changed somewhat since 9/11, to include the enhancement of the organization’s paramilitary role, the creation of secret prisons and the use of torture. Given the CIA’s presumed invincibility and the taint surrounding how it operates, it has frequently become low hanging fruit for those in government and the media who want to find someone to blame when things go wrong. The problem with the criticism often being levelled is that it is far too sweeping and generic.”
He goes on to say the CIA has two parts mostly consisting of people like Clancy’s Jack Ryan and such. He’s correct, but he’s also very wrong–for all the alleged good the analysts do, the Wet Men’s deeds and millions of deaths, terror, destruction, and mayhem they’ve wrought since 1947 makes all that a complete non-sequitur, not to mention the one very real Regime Change they instigated in 1963 and prevented in 1968. Given the USA’s supposed values, there’s absolutely no place for a CIA, or an FBI of the sort it became under Hoover. If I could speak with Giraldi, I’d tell him his narrative completely contradicts his conclusion. The CIA continuously violates the US Constitution and is thus a rogue agency in need of disbanding, as are other agencies of the federal government. But as a former spook, I guess he just can’t get up enough nerve to write what needs to be written.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2021 0:27 utc | 41

Grieved @Sep10 0:11 #38
Mr. F has said he was leaving many times. Each time he did, he expressed disgust with moa.
I very much doubt that he’s gone, but if he is, good riddance.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2021 0:52 utc | 43

@ jackrabbit… i wouldn’t take anything too seriously, especially posters who you personally think are kind of sketchy.. it isn’t worth it… stay positive! i have done all my preaching for one day now, lolol….

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2021 0:56 utc | 45

Many say they can’t understand Russia, and that would be very true if they only read Western media or very biased Cold War authors. Russian Conservatism: Managing Change under Permanent Revolution is an excellent book by Glenn Diesen and its beginnings can be read at this free preview, which will allow the reader to get a basic understanding of Russia and its fundamental philosophy. Unfortunately, I’m unable to copy/paste but at the outset of his Introduction Diesen informs us of a fact that oh so many miss when it comes to understanding Conservatism–its Collective, not individualistic–“the new must build upon the old” so, “the collective must be preserved” for that to occur on a consistent basis. As one reads, it becomes clear where the failure of modernity lies–it attempted to break its ties to the past.
Putin can be described as a Classic Conservative as he continuously stresses the connection between now and what came before–and the extreme importance of having and keeping that knowledge then passing it on to the next generation. The best indicator seen annually that sets Russia apart from most of the world is the Immortal Battalion and the impressive role it plays in Russian culture and society. I’d say China is also a Conservative nation despite its transformation by Mao and Chinese Socialism. I’ll just add one more note. The segmentation of Russian history into five periods is followed by the excellent Russian historian Giorgi (George) Vernadsky, whose volumes ought to be found in any major university library, and who also wrote an abridged compilation I’ll link to again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2021 1:07 utc | 47

I expressed no disgust with MOA. What I was trying to express is that I don’t see any point in continuing debating any of this.
It is what it is, throw yourself in front of the train if you wish, you’re not going to slow it down, or change its course.
But if it makes you feel better to suggest that I work for the powers that be, then all I can say is Muwahahahaha.
YMMV

Posted by: David F | Sep 10 2021 1:13 utc | 49

Posted by: David F | Sep 10 2021 1:13 utc | 49
I feel your pain. In the face of a Borg, what we do here is but mental masturbation. And perhaps some sense of community.
But your post and the comments it inspired reminds of the old days at a place like Daily Kos or something wherein folks would write Goodbye Cruel World posts and lament the helpless state of affairs in the world and at whatever blog they’re suiciding from.
You’re a person. You have something to say. And feel. Don’t be a stranger.

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 10 2021 1:28 utc | 51

Jackrabbit @42–
Thanks for saying what was needed. Giraldi’s article I linked at 3 and discussed somewhat @41 seems to be of a CYA-type, and I see others popping up at RT. And yes, we have a very sophisticated cadre of trolls working here, most of which I don’t bother engaging with.
There’s an old Blues tune that IMO now applies: Never Make a (your) Move Too Soon. Imagine if all that destroyed evidence of bigtime financial crime had been moved the night before 911 thus exposing the genuine motive for that crime. Knowing that plus JFK, RFK, MLK, and all the contrived wars and terrorism makes it hard to live here. I wonder what Walter’s doing…..

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2021 1:39 utc | 53

@49 You expect too much of people David F. MOA is just an internet forum. b is a good writer but he is not the Delphic oracle. People who post here have no special insight into the future. We are just speculating and airing our opinions, pontificating and, in my case, trying not to get into energy wasting arguments.
Taken overall it offers a fairly good consensus of where we are at this point in time. Don’t take it too seriously. It’s bad for the blood pressure..

Posted by: dh | Sep 10 2021 1:48 utc | 55

Here’s the transcript of today’s meeting of the Russian Pobeda (Victory) Organising Committee where I learned of another post WW2 War Crime Trial I’d not know about before, the 1949 Khabarovsk War Crime Trials. Here’s the relevant part:
“A case in point is the recent International Scientific and Practical Forum dedicated to the 1949 Khabarovsk War Crime Trials. The forum results will be presented later in the day by Prosecutor General of Russia Igor Krasnov.
“It was the Soviet investigators who collected irrefutable evidence that exposed the Japanese militarists as guilty of crimes against humanity, of preparing a bacteriological war.”
I’d very much like to read Krasnov’s presentation, but I don’t have time to search now. I’m sure other barflies would like to know the results too. There’s also more revealed at that meeting I don’t have time to post.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2021 2:01 utc | 57

On Twitter I see a lot of white western women expressing “solidarity ” with the upper middle class women demonstrating in Kabul.
I’m sure they are as concerned about the Afghan women in the villages, right? The ones at the mercy of warlords and Amerikastani bombs? Like these:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women
And they must be really worried at the plight of the women of Yemen and Gaza, right?
Right?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 10 2021 2:07 utc | 59

@ Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2021 1:13 utc | 48.. thanks for the personal story.. i get it… anger is sometimes an appropriate response, but most of the time if we understood the other person, we wouldn’t do it… what if the person on the other end has mental health issues?? does it make sense to engage in some way that adds to others pain?? i think that is kind of what you are saying – please don’t add to my pain… i get that… i just think sometimes it is better off not saying anything – and this for a person such as myself who will mouth off on a dime!
Anger: Wisdom for Cooling the Flames …by Thich Nhat Hanh this is a beautiful book that tells the story early in the book of a couple where they aren’t getting along and not talking with one another… the story breaks your heart when you realize what’s at play… i highly recommend it… that’s my small offering…

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2021 2:13 utc | 61

james @Sep10 2:13 #61
Sorry, your sensitivity lesson is not appropriate in this case.
The contentiousness of Mr. F’s comment @Sep10 1:13 #49 shows that he is no snowflake. And the bullshit SPIN of his “defense” (which I find offensive) should make you at least somewhat distrustful of the intent of his prior messaging. Once again, that messaging is essentially this: we can’t know anything, this place is useless, goodbye; repeated again and again.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2021 2:30 utc | 63

@60 Don
You are really misunderstanding what is going on there.
what you are looking for with death rates as they pertain to vaccination status is what happens after you reach a moderate vaccine-uptake level.
In this case, in San Diego, it was probably in March/April whereby people got the 2-dose moderna/pfizer which takes roughly two months to administer properly. So, if the vaccines emerged in late December, you would need to be in March at the earliest for decent uptake levels.
Now, once you have that, then you can compare death rates between the vaccinated and the unvaxxed. And if you will notice on this graph, you get a low death rate after moderate uptake in March. It is from this point that you can adequately compare vaccinated deaths to unvaccinated. And, as I said before, the difference is modest at best.
If you are looking at as to if the vaccines were responsible for the comedown of death rates in March/April, keep in mind that covid death rates have been surging and falling (2x) before without vaccines, so it is poor-deduction to think that the vaccines were responsible for the comedown in death rate earlier this year in San Diego.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10 2021 3:05 utc | 65

Russian patience at a breaking point?
Lavrov Says Greater Idlib Agreement Was Not Fulfilled By Turkey As More Airstrikes Hit The Region
So what have the Turks been doing in the two years since the Erdogan and Putin agreed that Turkey would control the terrorists (after Erdogan had reneged on an earlier agreement!)? Well, apparently they’ve been pressuring Jihadi groups to join together to form a more effective fighting force:
Five Of Turkey’s Largest Proxies In Syria Unify In New Coalition:

More than 15,000 fighters will operate under the command of the new coalition in the Turkish-occupied parts of the northern al-Hasakah countryside, the northern Raqqa countryside, the eastern Aleppo countryside and the northern Aleppo countryside.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2021 3:07 utc | 67

Hi folks, it’s jonku here. Remember me?
Just a follow up to karlof1 @ 41, about “the Wet Men’s deeds” (CIA).
My opinion follows.
The CIA is composed of members of a white-collar, Ivy League class who follow their leaders. Here is an interesting in-depth analysis of who those leaders are.
The Pilgrims Society: A Study Of The Anglo-American Establishment; Rockefeller, Mellon, Luce, Rothschild, Cecil, Windsor, The Federal Reserve, WWII, The CIA And So Much More
A quick look shows me other links:
Donald Trump, Pilgrims Society Operative
The Pilgrims Society has for over 113 years stood at the pinnacle of the American halls of power and remains a deep unknown to all but a few outsiders. In a sense it has always existed in that it’s sponsored by the British Royal family, and the warmongering British have been careful to maintain influence circles here, the first being in 1643 with the founding of the Ancient Heraldic and Chivalric Order of Albion.
Patriots for Truth
When you spot a Pilgrim whose name needs to be called out because it helps connect today’s current crimes to those criminals of the past, send them in and we will TAKE AIM.

Posted by: jonku | Sep 10 2021 3:25 utc | 69

snake #68
re: The task of propaganda is to persuade in ways that produce spontaneous consensual acceptance.
A form of sales?
In one of my lives I dabbled in direct sales. Worked for an experienced salesman. In his office, we were chatting, he held up his coffee cup and proclaimed “I could sell this to anyone.” That reminds me of time-share salespeople who are expert at this. We warned a friend of ours about succumbing to a time-share in Mexico. Didn’t work, she bit (and got burned).
So we could think of the establishment selling us not a time-share, but a war-share, protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. . . .”Find a need and fill it” — an old salesman saying.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2021 3:50 utc | 71

Biswapriya Purkayast #59
Thank you for that link to Anand Gopal at the New Yorker.
That was so desperately sad and enraging. Frequently I express relief to neighbours that the war has ended and they have no idea of it at all and just mouth platitudes from their media programming about the fate of the women and girls with the Taliban. When I tell them of the utter murderous vulgarity of the war over the past 40 years they cannot – will not – believe me.
Revolutionary rage is when you see a world gone wrong and a people unaware and unquestioning of what their future might be. Submission is fatal to the spirit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 10 2021 5:09 utc | 73

@ 63 jackrabbit… i think what you’ve been unable to pick up is i’ve been distrustful all along! but i am happy to be proven wrong too and happy to go along with others too for the most part.. i do agree with the thought that what people say on these forums isn’t worth getting worked up about almost all the time… with more nuanced players, the principle still remains the same…

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2021 5:27 utc | 75

psychohistorian 74
China vs US will be interesting to watch. China is holding its enemy close. US cannot move without breaking its economy. China’s move when oz and canada started abusing it was to stop buying from them and buy from the US. It punished the barking puppies and got a firmer grip on uncle joe’s economy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2021 6:19 utc | 77

@Grieved, et al, 62
As karlof pointed out, Giraldi basically left entirely unmentioned the black-ops side of the CIA; likely because he knows it’s unwise for him to engage in any sort of speculation or mention of such groups, because literally any sharing of knowledge by him will likely lead to his complete ruin and possible incarceration. So keeping quiet is the best means to protect himself.
What Giraldi, were he so inclined, would like to say is that the black ops side of things is a large group of nested organizations divided quite clearly according to political affiliations: some groups serve the oil industry-associated pols, some the military, some Wall Street, some Dems, some the Rethugs, some Silicon Valley. CIA regularly engages in corporate espionage–that was revealed back in mid-90s/early-00s–and as with everything else in US Government it is no less susceptible to the influence of money, as ’63 and ’68 amply showed.
Among those dark, nested groupings, there are independent operators largely unknown by anyone other than their handlers, parent groups that manage many smaller groups, and allied groups that coordinate their actions on consensus. The one feature they all share is a carefully guarded anonymity and protection from accountability that is enforced all the way up to the highest levels of government.
However, Giraldi’s larger point still implicitly holds here, albeit in a less direct way than he explicitly states: such dark groups are formed, supported, and dissolved based on political orders from people “above” them. What is significantly different, however, is that the people “above” the analyst section of the CIA must hold White House credentials, and while that’s largely true for the dark groups, there is no reason to suppose that the personnel who work on behalf of someone like Rethuglican John D. Negroponte–the guy who set up all those Reagan-era Central American death squads–suddenly dissolve and “retire” upon Negroponte’s recusal from government due to a lost election.
Those groups remain available for Negroponte to call back into action as he wishes, regardless if he is now currently serving in the White House or not–and the proof is of course that when Obama, Hillary, and Biden wanted to enforce the coup in Honduras, they sent down Negroponte to set all the dominoes in place and make sure that no errant do-gooders could re-establish the elected leader down there.
Now, these operations have been going on for over 50 years, with new groups set up to achieve new objectives with each new administration. Just imagine how many dormant groups are out there, and how few of them ever come into direct contact with each other. And each one of those groups has someone well-connected, up at the very top–like John Negroponte, for instance–who has enough money and connections to persuade key personnel in the FBI, CIA, The Pentagon, DC/local police, who have you, to look the other way.
These dark-ops groups managed to do just this in ’63, and again in ’68–where the victim was literally shot on live TV, and they still managed to persuade the viewing public that no, there was no coverup, the report was correct, the problem was not with the evidence but with the public’s own damned lying eyes.
The Watergate break-in was, in fact, a remarkable instance where these dark-ops groups exposed and prosecuted one of their own, had them sent off to prison and publicly vilified, and then by the Reagan era “rehabilitated” them and brought them back into the public fold to serve as propagandists and in other roles.
So there’s 50 years of crud in that system, and while truth-be-told most of these dark ops sorts probably don’t live to a ripe old age (i.e.: Barry Seal), there are some who do (E. Howard Hunt) because they work themselves up to the top of the food chain and deal directly with the oligarchs behind the scenes–think John Brennan and Avril Haines (and E. Howard Hunt). Those sorts are able to maintain networks which owe them personal loyalty, some of whom are dark operatives who do their work outside the law. Consequently there are now (in contrast to 1947) an awful lot of “dormant” groups who continue to maintain their networks of agents, working for people who were once official CIA but now no longer are, and who are able to operate outside the limits of the law because of past favors and political protection at the very top of the chain.
But per Giraldi’s larger point: these groups are contingent upon political protection at the very top, and cannot conduct their business without such protections. They do not operate according to their own inclination, but are an extension of the hidden and often not-so-hidden (#Russiagate, Brennan, Obama, WMDs, dancing Israelis, etc) political forces within America’s one-party system. It is not the dark-ops groups who run things, but those who protect their anonymity, and who direct and finance their activities.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 10 2021 7:03 utc | 79

Egg Throwing White Liberals Are the True Face of the Democrat Party
https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/egg-throwing-white-liberals-are-the

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 10 2021 13:06 utc | 81

Caitlin Johnstone has, until now, disappointed a lot of people in the posture she has taken towards the pandemic – she took the position of waiting for the evidence. Well, Caitlin took a long time but she has now published an article in RT that strongly opposes the “dangerously authoritarian policy of vaccine passports”.
Caitlin distinguishes Covid-19 from the authoritarian measures that have been taken but her article amounts to a condemnation of “Vaccine Passports”, compulsion and mandates:
Caitlin Johnstone: Australia’s not a free country. State surveillance and autocracy are rife because we have no bill of rights
“The Australian government has been on the receiving end of more and more criticism for its Covid response lately, not just domestically but from overseas.
“There’s a lot to criticize, from soldiers patrolling state borders and policing the streets of Sydney, to people being arrested for merely posting about lockdown protests on social media, to police accessing QR-tracing information and firing projectile weapons at lockdown protesters, to news broadcasters naming and shaming Covid patients who violate isolation orders, to the frequently ineffective hotel quarantine system for travellers being replaced with purpose-built quarantine facilities and Orwellian surveillance apps. The states of both Victoria and New South Wales have begun moving toward reopening after the Delta variant proved zero-Covid goals unattainable even amid strict lockdowns, but will do so by adding Australia to the growing list of nations that have implemented the dangerously authoritarian policy of vaccine passports.”

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 10 2021 13:17 utc | 83

No one mentions the big thing: gas prices in Europe exploded to all time highs. It faces energy cruch. Electricity is up, carbon is up, coal is up, inflation is up.
Some factories may have to temporary close if the energy crunch continues.

Posted by: Passer by | Sep 10 2021 14:03 utc | 85

regarding the recent death of Yevgeny Zinichev Minister of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, has anyone heard anymore information about what happened? Supposedly he jumped into a river to help save a cameraman who had fallen during a drill in the far north and they both drowned. It seems very, very suspicious. As minister of Emergency Situations he would be a prime target for assassination. I’ve been checking online and there just doesnt seem to be any information about what happened, beyond the very brief official release.

Posted by: Kadath | Sep 10 2021 14:38 utc | 87

psychohistorian @ 74, I am glad to hear of a significantly extended phone call between Xi and Biden. Perhaps it will lead to a respectful understanding between the two leaders in the areas of practical importance — as hopefully that meeting of Biden with Putin has done. We certainly need less grandstanding on the part of the US.
Also, Russia’s far north must be a dangerous and unpredictable place. I see nothing sinister in the report of the minister’s courageous action where extreme conditions had caused the photographer’s calamity. Greater love hath no man than this…

Posted by: juliania | Sep 10 2021 15:08 utc | 89

Don @70, of course.

Posted by: zakukommander | Sep 10 2021 15:12 utc | 91

@ zak 90
re: my 70
Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court’s decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
It’s not okay to yell ‘fire’ in an auditorium, and it’s not okay to walk around infecting people with a fatal disease. That was the Supremes’ decision in 1905, and there’s no reason to dump it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2021 15:34 utc | 93

I was reading in the Israel times, a couple weeks ago, that the Israeli health minister , who keeps data on the virus , stated that those in Israel that have recovered from the virus, have a 1% chance of getting it again. He also said that about 50% of new cases were from pre vaxed people. needless to say the Health ministers data is now – not publicly seen as it is Too Honest.
I had the virus and it developed just like Moon described – severe sinus infection that takes out your sense of taste and smell and then it moves to your lungs. I started right off the bat with bactrim and gargling w/ salt water and when it hit the lungs my doc came over , he confirmed the start of pneumonia and he started me on butt injectable anti biotics, a steroid, nebulizer meds, vitamins,and a couple other related meds. My wife did all the jabs – {shes’ not a nurse} and it worked out well . I’m 70 and never thought I would die. But I don’t live in the states so I had much more freedom to call my own shots.

Posted by: GMC | Sep 10 2021 15:40 utc | 95

Posted by: Kadath | Sep 10 2021 14:38 utc | 86
No assassination attempt, but with anything Russian and as RT chief Simonyan said, how quick the human trash tries to organize a gopak -a dance- over his bones.
They were filming the great north around Norilsk for implementing rescue operations since he was the minister in charge, his post before him was occupied by Shoigu the present defense minister and possible Putin successor.
But after his death rumors started, trying to soil a heroic deed, it seems the filming was finished so the minister and the camera man flew a helicopter to the Putorana Plateau, a fantastic place about 150 Kms. away from Norilsk. The cameraman slipped at the edge of a water fall and the minister trying to hold him went down too. Since any of our ministers would not come down their luxury vehicles so as not to soil their shoes, the western public has a hard time understanding how such an important functionary would risk his life trying to save a plain mortal, and then again, anything that comes from Russia if it is positive has to be soiled and devalued, the local press doubted the official story and put its accent in the fact that he was a former security guard of Putin etc. so as to belittle the man. Peace be upon them.
Take a look at the Putorana Plateau:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=putorana+plateau&iax=images&ia=images

Posted by: Paco | Sep 10 2021 16:17 utc | 97

“I hope this thread doesn’t evolve into another one.”
David F | Sep 9 2021 19:42 utc | 5
I heartily agree. b should just have a weekly covid open thread and then he can delete or move comments as he deems fit.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 10 2021 16:26 utc | 99