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September 01, 2021

To Counter U.S. Hostility China Moves Towards People Centered Policies

In December 2001 China became a member of the World Trade Organization. That opened new markets for China's industry and attracted a lot of foreign investment.

The growth in GDP that China has achieved since is breathtaking.


This development allowed China to make enormous investments in infrastructure. It also generated the resources necessary to eliminate poverty.

It is no coincidence that this development happened while the U.S. was wasting money on wars in the Middle East. As the U.S. is now step by step retreating from those wars to confront China the country needs to prepare itself for the new environment.

The introduction of more and more capitalistic features into China's economy over the last 20 years has created imbalances. Business tried to ignore or to gain influence over government structures and regulations. Companies abused their workers. Speculation by rich people created bubbles in the housing markets. Cultural excesses that emphasized individualism threatened national unity.

These imbalances let the description of China's economy as 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' look empty. Over the long run they would lead to dissatisfaction of a wide range of the public with the ruling political establishment. It was high time to eliminated the excesses the ultra fast development had created.

The government had to act to avoid future internal conflicts. Since the end of last year it has done so with the same efficiency that allowed it to stop and eliminate Covid-19 outbreaks. It does this ruthlessly without regards to stock values or investor interests.

Some six weeks ago I argued against Stephen S. Roach's take on new Chinese regulations and described why the wider public in China will not care about 'investors' and will support those steps.

Since then the regulation campaign has continued with astonishing speed and breath. Here is a collection of headlines, published since my last take, that detail the development and the flood of new regulations and laws designed to set things right while keeping China's economic growth going.

The new slogan for this era is now 'common prosperity', a policy that will reduce large wealth gaps while keeping reasonable monetary incentives and the market economy alive to allow for further development.

A pamphlet, written by a minor Maoist figure, that justifies these measures and puts them into a larger political context was widely published by Communist Party organs:

A commentary published widely in Chinese state-run media described President Xi Jinping’s regulatory crackdown as a “profound revolution” sweeping the country and warned that anyone who resisted would face punishment.

“This is a return from the capital group to the masses of the people, and this is a transformation from capital-centered to people-centered,” the commentary said, adding that it marked a return to the original intention of the Communist Party. “Therefore, this is a political change, and the people are becoming the main body of this change again, and all those who block this people-centered change will be discarded.”

The author then goes on to set the 'profound transformation' into a wider, geopolitical context:

“China is currently facing an increasingly severe and complex international environment. The US has implemented military threats, economic and technological blockades, financial strikes and political and diplomatic siege against China,” Li wrote.

“The US has also launched biological warfare, cyber warfare and public opinion against China.”

“If we still have to rely on big capitalists as the main force of anti-imperialist and anti-hegemonism, or still cooperate to the US’ ‘tittytainment’ strategy, our young people will lose their strong and masculine vibes and we will collapse like the Soviet Union before we are attacked,” he said, claiming that the US had launched a color revolution against China through different channels.

The “profound transformation” underway in China aimed to respond to the US’ brutal and ferocious attacks as well as the current complicated international situation, he said.

The curbs on the entertainment sector were far from adequate as ordinary workers and people should become the main characters on screens. People would benefit from the “common prosperity” goal after the education, medical and property sectors were reformed, he wrote.

While this sounds like Culture Revolution 2.0 it is assured that there will be no rampages of Maoist students through libraries or reeducation camps for party members.

Predatory capitalist George Soros claims in the Financial Times that these moves it will doom China's economy. (See Michael Hudson's counter here.) But people who, like Soros, argue against strong regulations forget that there are would be no markets without them. Companies that only look at shareholder values are not sound and do not allow for a healthy society. Just look Boeing and at the homeless camps in U.S. cities.

Aside from the ideological underpinning the new regulatory moves are populist. The masses will like them. They guarantee President Xi Jinping's reelection at next year's national party congress.

They will strengthen China's unity in its competition with the United States.

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A great & timely piece. But this sentence near the end needs fixing: "But people who, like Soros, argue against strong regulations forget that there are would be markets without them."

Posted by: Helena | Sep 1 2021 18:02 utc | 1

What underpins the West's actions is a stark, supremacist ideological mindset consisting of:

  • Neoliberalism

    a form of fascism where state and corporate interests converge;

  • Neoconservativism

    a form of monarchism/aristocracy that specifically allows (encourages?) lying to the people;

  • Zionism

    a form of colonialism with religious-overtones OR a messianic cult with neocolonial overtones;

No real reform is possible until this supremacist-mindset is addressed.

Is anyone surprised that USA/NATO tout a "RULES-BASED ORDER"? Under the supremacist-mindset that guides them they are intent to maintain control by those that share this mindset.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 1 2021 18:09 utc | 2

Chinese policy is still mainly traditional imperial. Highly centralising, and export oriented. Though with greater interest in foreign projects, e.g. in Africa, which did not exist before. Belt and Road is only an extension of policies of past centuries.

The US would do better to understand this, but I don't suppose they will. They will continue to imagine China is like them, and fail again. After what war?

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 18:18 utc | 3

It is such a pleasure to read some actual news. Thanks again for your work.

Posted by: c | Sep 1 2021 18:19 utc | 4

Thanks for this post, b.

From strength to strength.


Is anyone @ U.S. high-level policy-making at home?

Calling all U.S. citizens: are you still wondering if good policy-making matters, and whether you have it or not?

And the Chinese people are just getting started.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 1 2021 18:24 utc | 5

Someone fluent in Chinese should do a proper translation of the original article. There are clearly absurd transliterations in both quoted excerpts shown in this post ("discarded"; "masculine vibes").

Apart from that, I really don't understand the euphoria of the Western liberals with Deng Xiaoping and his successors' policies of "reform and opening up" as being some kind of return to capitalism. The exact same euphoria existed during the NEP period of the USSR, when even the exiled white elements of Tsarist Russia even returned to the Soviet Union expecting some kind of triumphal restoration. If you read the documentation of that period, from both sides (USSR, West/white Russian exiles), the impression you have is that the Revolution was already condemned and the USSR was on the brink of restoring capitalism. The USSR was much closer to capitalism during the NEP (to the point Lenin came up with the now infamous and umbrella term "State Capitalism") than China from Deng Xiaoping on.

We don't know (and can't know) if China will ultimately succeed. All I can say is this: it is theoretically possible that they can succeed, and it is worth for the working classes of the whole world but mainly from the West to fight and hope for China to succeed. Capitalism won't last forever, and when it collapses, humanity better have a plan for continuation of progress. Another certainty is this: whatever China is now, it certainly isn't its final form, nor the definite form socialism will take around the world - it is called "with Chinese characteristics" for a reason.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 18:43 utc | 6

One of the basic difference between China and the West if that China does its planning in the public eye on an ongoing basis and it the West it is just the opposite. Planning in the West happens on an ongoing basis but it is done by the private sector in control of society, not in service to it.

Those that run finance, run society and China is giving good example of how to run finance as a sovereign country....which our obfuscator Max says can't be happening because government is inherently bad or something....more obfuscation.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2021 18:47 utc | 7

While this sounds like Culture Revolution 2.0 it is assured that there will be no rampages of Maoist students through libraries or reeducation camps for party members.

Why would they? China is much richer now than on Mao's era, therefore has much more means of persuasion; and there are much more sophisticated, nuanced, effective and efficient methods of mass propaganda, which the China learned from the best (the USA/Western Civilization).

Book burning, reeducation camps, capital punishment and widespread censorship are relics from the past. They're too vulgar for today's refined propaganda warfare methods.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 18:48 utc | 8

Golly Gee Whiz!! Does Hudson blow Soros out of the water or what!?! And as he does so, Hudson also essentially explains why the woes of the Outlaw US Empire and all other Neoliberalized economies. In many ways, Soros is a dead man walking. What's arising in Eurasia is an Economic and Political Reformation where the wellbeing of the many takes precedence over that of all other actors--that's THE philosophical direction of China, Russia, Iran, and their Eurasian partners. Clearing the grand clusterfuck within the Central Asian Traffic Circle of Afghanistan will now commence, and in two weeks or so we'll know much more how it will proceed after the SCO and CSTO Summits. But many clues are already visible.

In what will eventually affect all Central Asian stans, Iran's people-centered Islamic Republic model will gain further currency as its adopted by Afghanistan, as that's what's really feared most by the various despot run Islamic nations, not Iranian nukes or missiles. Ideas are very hard to kill. The West has always denied and tried very hard to bury the fundamental socialist tenets of the Abrahamic religions, which was and remains the Catholic Church's role.

The removal of the greatest impediment to the growth of the Eurasian Bloc frees the path to the development and enrichment of the region's #1 asset--its human capital. The eventual elimination of poverty and want will remove the fertilizer for extremism and terrorism will eventually become an historic memory. Yes, the Outlaw US Empire and its remaining vassals will do their utmost to prevent all that happiness from being realized, but they will fail as they have in all their post-WW2 efforts.

A new Era has indeed begun.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 18:50 utc | 9

"Predatory capitalist George Soros claims in the Financial Times that these moves it will doom China's economy."


When George "Hedge Fund Hyena" Soros criticizes a country for its economic policy, that means it must doing something right.

Here's a handy rule of thumb for policymakers everywhere: Whatever Soros suggests about economic policy, do the opposite!

Posted by: ak74 | Sep 1 2021 18:53 utc | 10

With only an outsider's superficial understanding of China, I'm categorizing these actions as the central gov't trying to limit the rising power of Chinese mega corporates and associated oligarchs. Understandable, after observing how these relationships played out in US, Russia, EU, etc.

Some of the agenda could maaybe be described as neo-Maoist. There are also important elements that will create real benefits for the population. E.g. stopping video game addiction in kids. Limiting the concentrated power of some of the world's biggest tech and propaganda megabits also good. But take it with some grain of salt in light of the power struggle over what will eventually be control of the state.

Would be curious to hear from someone with some deeper in-country perspective.

Posted by: ptb | Sep 1 2021 18:58 utc | 11

It's impossible to retard an intelligent, educated human capital that has access to resources as the Chinese displayed and as the Iranians do once again. Imagine what Eurasians might accomplish as a collective! Eurasia will be the seat of what'll be known as the 4th Industrial Revolution, while the West collapses from its parasitical Financialized Neoliberal Capitalism, although it's not too late for enlightened nations to escape that destiny.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 19:04 utc | 12

ptb @11--

No, not neo-Maoist; Neo-Dengist as these reforms are all being framed as "pragmatic," which was Deng's guiding term.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 19:06 utc | 13

ak74 - 10: "Here's a handy rule of thumb for policymakers everywhere: Whatever Soros suggests about economic policy, do the opposite!"
Why just economic policy? Whatever Soros suggests in any domain should be fully countered.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 1 2021 19:10 utc | 14

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2021 18:47

The Chinese "capitalist" and political scientist Eric X. Li said that in China the government/party controls capital. In the US it is capital that controls the government. And at least in the case of the United States, studies have shown that capital controls government regardless of what party is in power.

Posted by: Erelis | Sep 1 2021 19:14 utc | 15

Just finished reading a machine translated version of the original article. As it turns out, it is the version quoted in the sources used in this post. Don't those Western MSM vehicles have Chinese translators?

It is not a big deal. The author spends almost the entire article talking about the scandal of the actress who was caught trying to evade taxes, and then demonstrates why those cases must not be allowed to become common place in China as they are in the Western countries (and they are: what that actress did would be perfectly legal and extremely common in the West).

But more importantly, the author never says these reforms are a "profound revolution". He's clearly talking about "profound changes", i.e. "revolution" in the metaphorical meaning of change. Indeed, that's the term in the very title of the article: "Everyone can feel that a profound change is underway!". The only instance where he uses the term (as machine translated) "profound revolution" is this:

The series of rectification actions by the People's Republic of China are telling us that China is undergoing major changes, from the economic, financial, cultural, and political fields to a profound change, or a profound revolution.

That is, he's speculating that these changes may be so profound that could be even escalated to "revolution". But he never categorically claims those reforms are a revolution. Indeed, in the whole article he speaks of a "return", i.e. to a return to the old roots of the Communist Revolution. If you're returning, you're not revolutionizing; the most you can affirm is that you're saving the Revolution, but not that you're creating another revolution. The most we could say is that the author has nostalgia for the Maoist era and considers the Dengist era a poetic deviation of the original spirit of the Revolution - but that's not the Marxist terrain, that would just be him, the author, trying to be artistic with his writing (or, most likely, political, in an attack against other members/fractions of his own Party).

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 19:16 utc | 16

Soros was a major shareholder of HNA, a large private conglomerate in China, up until about 2017 (?). Since then he became critical of the Chinese government. Quite harshly even by 2019. HNA has been in turmoil since around 2017 and is currently being wound up.

I wonder if something happened related to HNA that was disadvantageous to Soros, leading to Soros use his resources to rally opinion against China. If so the Chinese government might want to consider what happened as a mistake. I think letting Soros have his financial stake is a price well worth paying to not have to deal with him as an adversary.

Posted by: maskofwallstreet | Sep 1 2021 19:17 utc | 17

This article explores part of the huge $21 Trillion "mistake" made possible by 911. Of course, it was 100% deliberate, not accidental. It was that decision and other malfeasant Neoliberal decisions and lawbreaking that have led to the vast decline within the Outlaw US Empire.

The Deep State deserves to be summarily shot for its many crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 19:20 utc | 18

Going back to discussions of what constitutes a democracy, the US claims to be the champion at governance by the people because of its elections.

China also has a claim, that its form is different but it is still democratic, and better than western models at treating citizens.
..from the web. . .
"Xi Jinping said that the democracy in China is a whole-process democracy; all major legislative decisions are made only after democratic deliberations and thorough procedures to ensure sound and democratic decision-making."

So, there is evidence here that a country can lack national elections and, via its committees at various levels, and an accomplished administrator in charge, the country can do better by its people.

That puts US democracy jibber-jabber in a different light. Who's best at governance by the people, western elections of corrupted politicians whose arguments prohibit any actual progress on anything, or China's whole-process democracy? (trick question)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 1 2021 19:27 utc | 19

As impressive as Chinese GDP growth is it's worth mentioning that in 2021, China still only has a GDP of 73% of US GDP. $16.6 trillion v. $22.6 trillion. China should aspire to have a GDP of 200% of the US, not just to bring prosperity to people but also for geostrategic security. If the Chinese miracle ends up stalling at 100-125% of US GDP that will invite trouble with the US feeling confident about adopting an aggressive strategy. In that scenario, China would still be a middle-income country with a stagnant economy. The Chinese government should always be aware of just how much more progress needs to be made and stay humble and continue to grow as quietly as possible.

Posted by: maskofwallstreet | Sep 1 2021 19:29 utc | 20


My knowledge of the history is too weak to say. But certainly seems like a deliberate beginning of another chapter. In which China plays in the global market place and geopolitics from a position of dominance (in the multipolar sense). Not in 5 years, but right now. I suppose this means some operating principles are qualitatively different.

Regarding the pragmatism - what little is clear to me is that the Chinese gov't remains proudly and confidently, and even frighteningly, modernist. As in 20th century modernism. Willing to quickly make striking rearrangements once the decision has been made, even if turning many people's lives upside down in the process. Hopefully it works out.

They've done impressively well to date delivering a better life to billions (and that in the face of the imperialist depradations we document so well here). As long as this is the case it is ok - but let's not have any illusions about the paradigm of full control and the big-brother stuff.

We're looking at what, for now, is a largely benevolent authoritarian technocracy. For the Chinese people, and also for most of their trade partners outside the US, there is no comparison vs the frankly rapacious neoliberal alternative.

But the structure is such that there is no guarantee of this in the longer future. You won't see me shedding any tears for the big corp's, whether Chinese or Western. But the concern some of these journalists express, watching the heavyweight machinery make its moves, that I do share.

Posted by: ptb | Sep 1 2021 19:39 utc | 21

@ maskofwallstreet | Sep 1 2021 19:29 utc | 20 who is writing that China's GDP is smaller than US so they need to be humble....

I expect if you took finance out of the US GDP China would dwarf the productivity of the US, correct maskofwallstreet?

Nice try though to deprecate a booming REAL economy instead of one being cast away by the global financial elite.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2021 19:40 utc | 22

China is becoming more nationalistic under the present regime. It's not a good solution, but understandable faced with the present economic explosion. There's a desire to maintain control, as traditional in China. That's part of the reason for the suffering of the Uyghurs. Maintaining imperial control is what it's all about.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 19:45 utc | 23

Excellent posting b, you made the call of fundamental change in China's geoplitical posture way ahead of the so-called esteemed think tanks, journals, and academic institutions. Shame on them; they have the resources, interwoven support networks, and supposedly brains, but do not see the history making change of today; while you, a lone wolf sniffing and discovering, sensed what will define the course of humanity for the next century or so.
The change in China reflects a new order of priority. Up to 2020, a date the Central Committee of CPC set as target to eliminate poverty, economic growth in terms of traditional GDP yardstick was priority numero uno, all else being subordinates to support and assist that goal. A modest well-being society. Now that the goal is considered attained, China is on course to achieve its next goal of rivaling the west in quality of living standards, scientific innovations, and cultural soft power. It's time to rein in the excesses of brash capitalism, of capitalists taking advantages of oblivious consummer public, and of slave labor work regiments just to serve an expansive export sector. The time to depend on export as the engine for GDP growth is passe. Export sector will now serve the domestic sector by supplementing the diversity and value of China's manufacturing prowess. Now the double cycle growth model will focus on elevating the domestic market in volume and quality, throwing away the rotten apples (tycoons and speculators) along the way. Trump/Biden conception of strangling China's growth by pressuring China's export is missing the boat, so are most of the brains at think tanks and academics. By the way, China has cultivated the developing world for decades. Now Africa's growth dwarfs and exceeds the west by 3-5% each year. How much longer before China's trade with Africa/EastAsia/Eurasia far exceeds the NATO/EU/NorthAmerica block?
You made the statement that 'Socialism with Chinese characterisics' has been an empty slogan thus far. Perhaps you didn't quite grasp the meaning of the term. The Chinese charcteristics refer to China's one-party political environ. China insists on this mode because it believes that's the only way to unify China's way of governance, with government directed growth pattern and allocation of resources being the 'socialism', and let free-market economy to stimulate human incentives and innovations. China cannot afford the luxury of forever bickering among academics or political parties along the way of rebuilding itself. So, socialism is the central planning and execution, Chinese characteristic is the one-party dictatorship. Mind you, dictatorship is not always a bad things. Dictatorship under enlightened leadership is a great thing. China and Putin's Russia proved this point over the past 2 decades.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:01 utc | 24

But we have Think Tanks churning out papers

China . . . vs. U.S. Think Tanks
China grows GDP - TT will write about pending eco collapse
New regulations - TT will write papers on rampant Chinese corruption
China builds dams - TT all dams in China about to collapse
Space exploration - TT Chinese weapons program, demographic doom, debt bomb about to burst

Who do you think will appear on Maria Bartiromo's show, Gordon Chang and Tom Cotton or some pro-Chinese shill?

U.S. Think Tanks vs Chinese accomplishments, one will eventually prevail.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 1 2021 20:04 utc | 25

What drives U$A’s and China’s STRATEGIC MENTALITY? Capital-Private-Profits vs Sovereignty-Public-People.

In the U$A, the drivers of strategic mentality are PRIVATE power/money, profits and global empire. Majority (90+%) of money is created by private banks. More than 50+% of nation’s profits are generated in the FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) sector. What drives their investment criteria? PROFITS - dominance. The key characteristics of U$A’s socioeconomic system are hierarchy, polarization and exploitation. The U$A practices financial capitalism. What outcomes will this generate?

In China, the drivers of strategic mentality are sovereignty, nation’s greatness, shared prosperity and economic growth. In summary, increasing gdp per capita (PEOPLE’s power?). Majority of money is created by state banks. China has developed its culture on values of unity, diligence, flexibility, resilience and shared prosperity. Also, never to repeat the century of humiliation (national & economic security, cultural confidence). China is practicing industrial capitalism. China's common prosperity roadmap & numbers.

The competitive dynamics between the U$A and China is very interesting. The U$A is at the service of the Financial Empire and is a suzerainty. China is driven to remain sovereign and achieve its security and greatness. Ganchao - “catch up and surpass.”

248 Chinese companies with Off-Limit Audits and a Market Cap of Over $2.1 Trillion are listed on U.S. Exchanges with lite regulations. Why? Soros wants to duplicate this in China to speculate, make money and serve his owners. He would rather have the Chinese market be like Wall Street with weak regulations, so its companies can be captured for speculation. However, the regulatory pendulum swings in China from weak to strong. In the U$A, lawyers and the corporations find workarounds the regulatory system.

What are U$A’s options to transcend and succeed in the global arena?

Posted by: Max | Sep 1 2021 20:06 utc | 26

"I expect if you took finance out of the US GDP China would dwarf the productivity of the US, correct maskofwallstreet?"

I have no idea what that would look like (finance taken out of GDP). And, I doubt it would make much of a difference in terms of the large gap in the comparative sophistication of economies. I also think it's a bad direction for the quality of this conversation because it is very imprecise. What exactly is the definition of bad finance and what percentage of the economy is it? I don't think this is a real economic discussion without more clearly defined terms and figures.

Posted by: maskofwallstreet | Sep 1 2021 20:06 utc | 27

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:01 utc | 24

i.e. China is returning to ancient imperial traditions.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 20:14 utc | 28


Not really. Ancient imperial tradition was one person dictate. Today's China has Politburo, Central Committee, Central Standing Committee, Political Consultation Committee, People's Congress. On top of that, there is continuous input gathered at local levels. It's a group dictate, and a lengthy elaborate one.

You don't understanding how China decision making is carried out, and merely use your own free association with ingrained notions to characterize China's process. It leads to misunderstandings, just like what western MSM does most of the time.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:27 utc | 29

Odd coincidence, Australian outlet ...

Drudge linked a story about a Chinese actress billionaire who was 'erased' by Chinese authorities. She's safe and still has her billions but departed for France. I'm not taking anyone's side as I simply do not trust any western MSM story about China since all of it has been Iraqi-fied.

Also, it's not the type of thing I have interest in chasing down. When the U.S. govt starts an info war against a country, you will not be able to keep up with the blizzard of accusations they make against you and there will be some truth in it and it will always be hard to pin down.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 1 2021 20:30 utc | 30

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 1 2021 20:30 utc | 30:

Christian Chuba, this actress has a history of kissing Japan's okole. For most of us Chinese, that's a big no no!!! I for one one am glad she finally got the stick :-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:34 utc | 31

How are the Uighurs supposed to be 'suffering'? That's just ridiculous on its face.

The REAL story is that the US and its vast global destabilization apparatus, consisting of propaganda, agitation, NGOs, CIA etc, have used militant Islam GLOBALLY to undermine many countries. This has been going on for many years.

They did with Yugoslavia to tear that country apart in the 1990s. They tried, but failed, to do that in Russia's Caucasus region. Most spectacularly they have been doing this in Syria and Iraq. But again, it is being stopped in its tracks, due to determined counter-efforts by Russia and Iran.

There are thousands of Uighur headchoppers now cornered in an ever-shrinking pocket of Idlib province.

What are they doing there? Syria is not their country. Are they 'suffering' too?

Global Jihad was INVENTED by the US as a cudgel against the USSR in Afghanistan. After 40 years, that project has decisively failed. Spectacularly and humiliatingly so, as we have all just witnessed!

The failure of the US to nurture similar violent Jihad in Xinxiang is a beautiful case study of how the Chinese are able to beat back this aggression-by-proxy, using mature, humane and effective methods of increasing people's prosperity and education.

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 1 2021 20:48 utc | 32

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:27 utc | 29

Most decisions of autocratic rulers are not arrived at by decisions of the person himself, but by consultation, though words in the ear may affect the result.

In any case, it appears that China is following traditional policy, autocratic or not.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 20:48 utc | 33

I have long argued that China would be facing an historic inflection point where regulatory focus would flip. Market-driven growth would only take them up to parity with global capitalism, and then they would have to reorient their economy back towards a deeper focus on socialist planning. Along with this I have argued that the CPC will delay this change (delay gratification?) for as long as the market-driven development provides rapid growth. One reason for this is because the transition to an advanced socialist planned economy will be a one-way transformation that can only be reversed by harsh "shock therapy" counterrevolution like what happened when the Soviet Union was deliberately dismantled. Another reason is that the shock to global financial markets from this change will trigger some distress, to put it in gentle terms, to previously dominant economies (the US, in particular). Dollar-denominated capital financial instrument flight from China will trigger aggressive inflation among economies that are tightly bound to the dollar. This will shrink China's traditional export markets, and the resulting growth of the domestic consumer market will largely guarantee that those traditional export markets remain relatively diminished. It is a change they cannot undo, so they have to be certain that the time is right before they act.

I could be wrong, but I think we might be witnessing that global economic sea change.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 1 2021 20:54 utc | 34

maskofwallstreet #17

If so the Chinese government might want to consider what happened as a mistake. I think letting Soros have his financial stake is a price well worth paying to not have to deal with him as an adversary.

I bet you take the same view about Rupert Murdoch.

Pander to the parasite, you say. Give oligarch a chance, is that your intention? Comply with his special pleading to shape the economy so he can act as the suave, sophisticated predator to the advantage of primarily himself.

Behind the maskofsoros is the death skull. To deal with him as an adversary is to enact laws that would jail him and then execute those laws. He takes too much and he pleads his innocence and says the laws permit him to do so. Well only the moron regulation in the USA etc might allow that but there are saner people in this world who value justice over greed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2021 20:59 utc | 35

@ Laguerre

Your argument @ 25 contradicts your argument @ 23. Either China is nationalist or it is imperialist, it can't be both at the same time.

After all, the USSR is accused of being imperialist because of its internationalist ideology, not because of it Great Russian chauvinist designs. In fact, the USSR is some kind of Schrödinger's Cat in the West: for the liberals/neocons, it was an empire because of its "messianic" internationalist (globalist; Judeo-Bolshevik, depending on the flavor of the liberal faction you quote) ideology/doctrine; for the Western Marxists/social-democrats/trotskyists it was a chauvinistic Great Russian nation that only acted on the behalf of its closeted Great Russian ethnic supremacist impulses.

So, either China is a closed, chauvinist nation, or it is an empire with a grandiose internationalist ideology. You have to choose your path or propaganda narrative.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 21:00 utc | 36

@ Posted by: maskofwallstreet | Sep 1 2021 19:17 utc | 17

If so the Chinese government might want to consider what happened as a mistake. I think letting Soros have his financial stake is a price well worth paying to not have to deal with him as an adversary.

Your dilemma is not really a dilemma, as China has time on its side on this one. Soros is not going to live much longer.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 21:04 utc | 37

My eyes almost popped out of my head when I read "Gamers under 18 will only be allowed to play online between 8:00 pm and 9:00 pm on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays". Real leadership... in 2021... I am flabbergasted.

I am a high school science and math teacher in Australia. That single policy in itself is game over.

Posted by: Rae | Sep 1 2021 21:15 utc | 38

China is no longer a "socialist" economy - it became a fascist economy once they freed up the means of production and allowed private ownership and deployment of capital.

The West's econonomies might be described as fascist as well, but the fact we don't have uniparty governments and still have some freedoms of political dissent means we're not quite there just yet. But in terms of economics - extensive state control of business plus private ownership is fascism, at least economically.

It remains to be seen if China's fascism "works" better than the West's for the average person.

Posted by: Observer | Sep 1 2021 21:15 utc | 39

maskofwallstreet @27

Finance value - You have a certificate describing ownership of money.
Real value - You have a certificate describing ownership of a factory, farm or other real and tangible item.

Finance value disappears like mist before the wind in economic crashes or severe inflation. Real value stays put. Is that clear enough?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 1 2021 21:18 utc | 40

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 21:00 utc | 36

The two are the same. Imperial China is the limits that we know, not the ever expanding borders of the imperial US.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 21:22 utc | 41

"They won't let us subjugate them! That's imperialism!"

Seems like an odd perspective to me, but I suppose it is normal for the US and EU.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 1 2021 21:29 utc | 42

Short term pain, long term gain.

The benefits of long term political appointments.

It is a fatal flaw of our otherwise liberal and 'free' societies. We can no longer compete on a basic structural level, because our politics are so deeply compromised in short term bs that undermines our common interest.

China is a scary behemoth, its success is a product of blending the best of both communism and capitalism.

If we want to remain competitive, it's up to us to get over our bruised capitalist egos, and find a new modus operandi that embraces the effective superiority of their new paradigm, without sacrificing many of the very freedoms that used to empower us..

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 1 2021 21:44 utc | 43

It is really going to hit home when Americans are being thrown out of their homes at the same time that newly arrived Afghans brimming with looted American cash are buying US homes. Que the Republican blaming Biden for letting the Afghans in.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Sep 1 2021 21:46 utc | 44

You’ve been on fire recently, b, with your China and Afghanistan coverage. Very much appreciate the rational and clearheaded analysis, thank you 👍

Posted by: Antibody | Sep 1 2021 21:51 utc | 45

Great rebuttal by hudson. Soros is fuming at china,its because he cant run his usual financial schemes and assert some measure of control on sectors of their economy. Why anyone listens to this documented nazi collaborator, and destroyer of economies, and the pound sterling is beyond me. China is not in the business of allowing these types to have input or dictate their financial policy. I applaud them.

Posted by: RC213V | Sep 1 2021 21:52 utc | 46

gordog@32---thank you! you said exactly what i've been thinking & couldn't articulate. thank you.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 1 2021 21:58 utc | 47

This sums it up nicely

Poverty exists not because we can't feed the poor, but because we can't satisfy the rich.

China knows that and acts in the people's interests.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2021 22:01 utc | 48

Poor countries are supposed to stay poor so that they can be exploited indefinitely for cheap labor and resources. When a poor country starts to pull itself out of poverty, that country will soon be pulled back down again through a mixture of warfare, sabotage, sanctions, and propaganda...all under the pretext of "protecting human rights." China has defied this rule by making itself wealthy. Accordingly, the propaganda directed toward it will only intensify.

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Sep 1 2021 22:17 utc | 50

vk @6, re: "should do a proper translation of the original article."

Last night I came across this translation of the post that started this:

Instead of "those who block this people-centered change will be discarded" it has:

"those who obstruct this people-centered transformation will be left behind"

And instead of "masculine vibes", it has:

"if we allow this generation of young people to lose their mettle and masculinity, then who needs an enemy"

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Sep 1 2021 22:22 utc | 51

As a result of US sanctions against Chinese companies, China is developing its own technology to cater for its internal market. Low cost, not Western, no manual.
Low cost, because at the volumes of the Chinese internal market even a saving of a fraction of a cent is real money. Different from US designs, so no license fee needs to be paid. And little or no documentation in English - it's intended for the Chinese internal market.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 1 2021 22:24 utc | 52

China is cleaning up a few problems but I think it is also going into war mode.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 1 2021 22:26 utc | 53

@maskofwallstreet (17)

Do you really think that China’s leaders give a damn about having George Soros as an adversary? Soros’s opinion carries zero weight inside China, and his influence outside of China is of little, if any, concern. If Soros fared poorly with his Chinese investments, that is cause for mocking laughter and celebration. Losing sucks, doesn’t it, George?

Posted by: Rob | Sep 1 2021 22:39 utc | 54

@ Posted by: Canadian Cents | Sep 1 2021 22:22 utc | 51

I think a better translation to the second case would be "virility" or, even better, "virtue". The association of manhood with good character was common in Ancient Rome and Greece, and I think that from the concept we inherited the word "virtue" (literal translation: the quality of being a man). I think the Chinese language uses the word "masculinity" in both senses, i.e. they don't differentiate "virility" from "virtue".

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 22:44 utc | 55

@ vk | Sep 1 2021 22:44 utc | 55:

Kinda hoping you're right on reading "masculinity" in terms of "virtus" -- somehow I can't imagine the Chinese writer leaving out the female half of the population, or advocating that that half should behave like men.

Posted by: corvo | Sep 1 2021 22:54 utc | 56

@ Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 21:22 utc | 41

You're living in the past. It is risible to say that China, just for having the frontiers it already has (and they're all recognized by the UN and all the relevant nations, including the USA), is imperial just because Ancient China was an empire. You're applying old laws to the new, you're denying to China of even the most basic rights of the Westphalian nation-state system.

What you're proposing is some bizarre orientalist ideology, a world inhabited by crafty and evil Chinese mandarins who are controlling the masses and the world with their mysterious sorcery from some hidden palace in Beijing.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2021 22:56 utc | 57

Poor countries are supposed to stay poor so that they can be exploited indefinitely for cheap labor and resources. When a poor country starts to pull itself out of poverty, that country will soon be pulled back down again through a mixture of warfare, sabotage, sanctions, and propaganda...

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Sep 1 2021 22:17 utc | 50

Don't forget debt traps! (Or maybe you're including them under "sabotage"?)

China is cleaning up a few problems but I think it is also going into war mode.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 1 2021 22:26 utc | 53

I don't think we big-noses are leaving China much choice in the matter, unfortunately.

Posted by: corvo | Sep 1 2021 22:56 utc | 58

It would be pretty ironic if China managed to achieve real socialism thanks to the aggressive pressure of the US.

I think there's also an opportunity here for the US. Rich people are the same everywhere. Surely the wealthy class in China can't be too happy with Xi interfering with their businesses and socialism certainly means higher taxes for them. The US could propose an alliance with the wealthy Chinese class, get them to sabotage their own economy so that the CCP becomes unpopular and gets thrown out by popular revolt. Then Neoliberalism can reign supreme over the whole world. Surely that is the ultimate dream of any rich person anywhere.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Sep 1 2021 23:00 utc | 59

That FT article by Soros is a hoot.

Chinese regulation of the stock market is bad! Bad! Bad, I tell you!!!!

Soros: "The US Congress should pass a bipartisan bill explicitly requiring that asset managers invest only in companies where actual governance structures are both transparent and aligned with stakeholders."

Pardon me, George?

So how is that *not* a call for the US government to regulate the stock market?

Fund managers should be free to invest their funds in whatever stock they wish. Congress should not be legislating which stocks they can invest in and which stocks they can't invest in.

Ah, but.....
Soros: "Pension fund managers allocate their assets in ways that are closely aligned with the benchmarks against which their performance is measured" ....... "The MSCI All Country World Index (ACWI) is the benchmark most widely followed by global equity asset allocators" ..... "These indices have effectively forced hundreds of billions of dollars belonging to US investors into Chinese companies whose corporate governance does not meet the required standard"

Yeah, and? So what?

If the performance benchmarks "force" fund managers to invest in Chinese stocks then you should be campaigning to have fund managers freed from the straight-jacket of those benchmarks.

If groups like the MSCI take the lazy path when compiling their indices then lobby the MSCI to do better due diligence when they weight those indices.

If fund managers place too much weight on inadequate or incomplete or misleading indices then educate the fund managers NOT TO USE THOSE INDICES.

It's a free country, George, so all of those avenues for lobbying are available to you. And all of them align with your stated preference for a free market economy and a stock market that is unregulated.

But don't go railing against Chinese regulation of markets and then insist that the US government react to it by.... regulating the markets.

That's just hypocrisy, plain and simple.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 1 2021 23:19 utc | 60

Peter AU1 @53--

IMO, China has several of psychohistorian's infamous spinning plates in motion, although they seem to be spinning more in unison than in opposition as is the case with the Outlaw US Empire. Most importantly now that the Empire has cleared out of Central Asia's Traffic Circle so its reconstruction, development and BRI interconnections can now begin, China will adopt a policy that won't allow Afghanistan to be dragged further down by the application of the Empire's final hegemonic levers while also becoming more assertive of its rights in the SCS. It did gain a small victory when the greatly hyped Biden Corona Virus Origin scam was pulled and China went on its own PR offensive against Fort Detrick and the UNC lab. Multilingual Chinese also have the potential to overwhelm any other national group on social media platforms, an area that was once a domain the Empire could count on using for its own purposes, and that disparity will continue to grow. Then there's the Thomas Friedman head-slapping impact upon realizing that to see the modern world you must visit China, not any Western city--a dynamic that will soon see the West as similar to the Eastern Bloc's drabness versus the West's vitality during the Cold War, which is a huge soft power advantage.

Then there're China's military and space programs utilizing all those STEM grads. The horse has left the barn and corral; and if any nation can lasso China, it will merely be dragged along behind it--there's no reigning it in. Putin clearly saw that twenty+ years ago and acted accordingly, and Russia is harnessed alongside China. The Mongols may not have conquered all Eurasia, but their descendants now have a very good chance at doing so without the chaos and bloodshed provided sane minds prevail in Europe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2021 23:20 utc | 61

@ Oriental Voice | Sep 1 2021 20:01 utc | 24
And others here who seem to have a fair grasp of what’s what along with b’s customary excellence.

I posted a few thoughts on the previous thread which speaks to this subject.

I would just add that there is a even greater vision that hasn’t been realised that Xi is working on (not alone!).

It is not just a desire for China to never again disappear and turn their back on the world as they mistakenly did when the Celestial Empire discovered they weren’t the only civilisation on the Earth!

All that science and technology and knowledge and philosophy stultified-only transferring west to Europe and in effect leading to the renaissance that leads to the modern world.

A world born out of the Power over Money - not Capital or Labour which is controlled by finance. All National Banks were private.

Xi like Merkel is a scientist and like Putin are pragmatic

The greater picture of the rest of this century and the rest of the millennium MUST be planet wide stewardship.

With all its peoples and flora and fauna and environment put above the avaricious Money folk - who add NOTHING but want to own everything.

They are happy to live in their fantasy castles in the sky , super yachts, enclaves and space stations and dream of other planets - even without air!

The EU is a model of how Europe has evolved and is still evolving towards a common law based Union with common rights and protections for all its citizens and businesses; which aims to achieve a similar balance and which it can only achieve by degrading and expelling the ancient economic hagemonists.

The future I expect is based on the grand EU/SCO common security alliances aimed not at conquest or supremacy of one nation over another or Exceptionalism but based on common standards and level playing field’s that allows a single market and yes freedoms of movements and common taxation and environmental standards legally enforceable.

That’s what scares the shit out of the old guard who scream communist/socialist/nationalist/fascist dictatorship etc whilst hiding behind the curtains, pulling the strings of fake wizards of capitalism as the infallible only future!

You know - all the ‘Foundation Front Men’ such as Rockefeller/Ford /soros/gates/Musk types that have plagued us since they discovered that new narrative over a hundred years ago, built on their fake religions of Capitalism/Marxism.

The Dominate Empire is dead.

Long live the New All Human Empire!

Posted by: DG | Sep 1 2021 23:28 utc | 62

20 27 maskofwallstreet
It is self delusionary by the US that China has not already overtaken US economy. China's PPP GDP 2021 (IMF estimate) is 26,657 billion dollar vs. 22,675 billion dollar of the USA, and the gap is widening every year.

"Nominal" GDP is based on currency exchange proportions, it poorly reflects the real proportions inside or among economies of states and regions.

Moreover, US GDP figures are untrustworthy further as US "economists" introduced "hedonic regression", a method of artificially inflating "values" of investments, especially in "financial industries". It is more than doubtful that US GDP represents real values, even in volatile forex proportions.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 1 2021 23:30 utc | 63


EU is ruled from Brussels. Brussels orders come from US. Apart from that, you are describing a one size fits all world government.
Russia and China's vision - the multi-polar world. Is now starting to take shape Sovereign nation states whos type of governance and laws are totally up to that nation to decide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 1 2021 23:48 utc | 64

Praise Xi Jinping!

He really surprised me, he's bringing China back to its tracks! I really hope this kills the stupid gacha games.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 2 2021 0:15 utc | 65

China's ongoing success will require it to stay firm to nationalism.

Be very wary of these Soros types.

As I have said before, it is a perilously-fraught game of gently letting the behemoth of western imperialism down. It shouldn't be a violent encounter but rather one where the method is drugging it with sedatives until all of its threat is eliminated and its substance-addicted self has no choice but to relinquish control.

You do it to quickly, you risk inviting a world conflagration. If you usher it in with peaceful-nationalism, you will show the way.

It took me a long time to come around, but China's success ultimately means the death of the most heinous world order yet. China for the Chinese will mean one day that America can be for Americans again.

Will we get there? Will the greenback fade away quietly? The internationalists are still on top so war is still very much a possibility.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 2 2021 0:31 utc | 66


I suspect Xi himself is stepping in a lot of rich people's toes in China, all those rich due to the exploitation by the Dengists back from the 70s.
I hope he stays strong, he needs the PLA's utmost support, and carefully watch Shanghai and Shenzen i.e. China's capitalist hives.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 2 2021 0:46 utc | 67

Considering this move by the Chinese government in light of the considerations discussed in "Farewell to the Bourgeois Kings", it would seem they are moving to retain and enhance their legitimacy, "the mandate of heaven".

Smart move.

It has long annoyed me that the political class here sold itself, and us, out so cheap. It is no accident the rich like mediocrities in politics and the bureaucracy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2021 0:49 utc | 68

@Laguerre | Sep 1 2021 20:48 utc | 33

Most decisions of autocratic rulers are not arrived at by decisions of the person himself, but by consultation, though words in the ear may affect the result.

In any case, it appears that China is following traditional policy, autocratic or not.

In the old days, yes, there was consultation; often, a lot of consultation. But some large decisions were autocratic decrees. What Oriental Voice is saying is, in China of today, ALL the big decisions are heavily discussed at many levels. This makes a huge difference. You ignored what OV said and demonstrated once more that you know very little about China.

I will add that in China these days, long before a major policy gets anywhere near the top, it has gone through local trial spots, and tons of data have been gathered on its effectiveness. So whatever the CPC does nationally, they have a lot of evidence that it would work; this is one reason they have been so successful.

Posted by: Cyril | Sep 2 2021 1:09 utc | 69

Stem graduates by country 2016

China: 4.7M
India: 2.6M
U.S: 570k
Iran: 335k

Now you know why Netanyahu wants us to nuke Iran so bad to eradicate them like bugs.
So the top 3 countries that we target as enemies graduate 10 times more STEM students than we, the U.S. do and half of our graduates are foreign students. This is why Iran has a domestic arms industry that includes advanced RADAR. But we are still in denial about that as evidenced by us fretting over Iran getting their hands on Humvees and M4 rifles from the Taliban.

Our view of Iran, 'I think it is some kind of magic wand that stirs up the spirit of the truck engine, try turning it and see what happens'

Now some wise guy might note that India does not have an advanced military but that's because they suffer collective Stockholm syndrome from Britain. I have no idea why they love the Brits and west so much after all they did do them.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 2 2021 1:13 utc | 70

@ Christian J. Chuba | Sep 2 2021 1:13 utc | 70:

And last time I checked, about 15% of those STEM graduates in the USA were . . . citizens of the PRC. I'm sure a goodly number are citizens of India too.

Posted by: corvo | Sep 2 2021 1:21 utc | 71

DG @62--

I highly suggest reading Putin's excellent talk with schoolchildren: "On Knowledge Day, Vladimir Putin had a meeting at the Okean National Children’s Centre with pupils of schools, gymnasiums and lyceums, winners of Olympiads and competitions in culture, art, science and sport."

Here's just one small bit that relates to stewardship:

"To understand to what extent today’s man-made emissions are influencing real change, we should take into account all these factors rather than only the things that are happening on this planet. It is necessary to watch what is occurring out there in the galactic, in near-Earth space, and in the bowels of the Earth.

"You know, I was in the Russian Extreme North and saw permafrost, an ice cave of solid blue ice. And one can count, the cave has some sliced patches, which slice dates back to which century. All of a sudden, somewhere deep down, we spotted a stable, clear black trace, a trace of some event that took place about one thousand years ago (this is an approximate figure, I don’t remember exactly, but it was many centuries ago). And it was followed by blue ice again. Where did this trace come from? There were no emissions, no motor vehicles. More likely than not, it was a volcanic eruption. To understand what is happening right now and what may happen in the future, we should certainly know all about this. This is history. Undoubtedly, this is part of a certain science, but this is also history."

You must know where you've been to know best which path to follow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2021 1:26 utc | 72

@72 Cont'd--

Really need to share this from the above discussion's Q & A:

"Alyona Velbik: As we all know, there have been friends and enemies in Russia’s history as well. Here is my question: what do you think are the attributes of a real friend?

"Vladimir Putin: This is a philosophical question.

"As for interstate ties, this is still a completely different matter from human relations. Interstate friendship is very pragmatic and is always related to national interests. Even personal relations between leaders matter but cannot be decisive. Any leader, either of a big or a small country, must consider the interests of the people who have entrusted him with this position as the top priority. Any leader must primarily proceed from the interests of his people." [My Emphasis]

That's one the the major values the West touts but seldom follows.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2021 1:47 utc | 73

Laguerre @ 23, 28 and so on:

You mean to say you have not taken any notice of MoA posts like this one where B exposed the constantly changing nature of Uyghur women's stories as a result of coaching by representatives of the World Uyghur Congress, itself a Washington-sponsored umbrella outfit and linked to far-right Turkish organisation the Grey Wolves?

Posted by: Jen | Sep 2 2021 1:56 utc | 74

Every die-hard capitalist will view the Chinese People-oriented policies as authoritarian and essentially communist. In their view, we are back to the capitalist vs. communist Cold War.

However, not only is China not strictly communist, USA/West is not strictly capitalist. Capitalism, true capitalism, would be a welcome change. What we have instead is neoliberalism aka "crony capitalism" or fascism.

And neoliberalism has flourished because it dovetails so well with other forms of supremacist thinking. They reinforce each other.

After decades of sidelining critics and finessing outcomes to line their own pockets, the power-elite will not easily change their #winning ways. They will just apply more propaganda. And that's what we see with the hyper-partisanship and anti-China, anti-Russia messaging. Beyond that, they give what they are forced to give (like Afghanistan) and continue to play us for fools. Because they have found that the sheeple can be so easily manipulated and misled.

A good part of that manipulation is misdirection. For example, the central question isn't really capitalism vs. socialism, but democracy vs oligarchy. The key question of government's role can not be addressed by a higher minimum wage or a new tax credit (as noted by other moa commentators):

does capital regulate government or does government regulate capital.

The Left accepted Obama's betrayal of "Change You Can Believe In" and Sanders "Revolution" was nothing more than a group of complainers being led by a pied-piper. Bernie didn't try to really contend for power and his supporters never demanded that he do so.

The Left discredits itself when it makes politics only about getting MORE financially. There was a time when the Left was made up of courageous moral leaders. Today, it is led by professional politicians that beg for crumbs from the table of power to prove themselves to a public that doesn't want to be inconvenienced. The Hillary/Obama-type establishment progressive and Bernie socialist fanboys don't care that no banker went to jail for the Global Financial Crisis, they don't care that US wasted trillions of dollars in Afghanistan, they don't care that MIC fleeces the country. They only care about those crumbs that might fall when the OVERTON WINDOW widens by a notch: a small increase in the minimum wage, more immigrant wage slaves (their cheap labor keeps prices down), etc.

And, while the Left lacks heart, the right lacks brains. They seem ever-ready to be 'triggered' by any slight. Road rage patriots that can't read a political map.

The US Left and Right: leading the charge to nowhere. While the power-elite laugh all the way to the bank.

I am, frankly, tired of railing against the frauds and cons that the sheeple can't see or don't care about. You get the government you deserve. Will China's focus on people cause USA/West to change. I'm not expecting any such change unless/until the dumbasses experience severe pain (depression, loss of a major war, etc.)


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2021 1:56 utc | 75


Didn't think I would ever say this to you, but spot on my friend.

Posted by: David F | Sep 2 2021 2:20 utc | 76

Economist Minqi Li on whether China is an imperialist or semi-peripheral state in the world system:

He concludes that China is definitely not an imperialist economy.

Posted by: Prof | Sep 2 2021 2:58 utc | 77

Seconded, David F @ 76, and thanks b for giving us such good news. I was thinking really that what I remember reading of the people's army entering Shanghai back in the day is what is before the Taliban today,the hope then, the hope now, for a people's government in the style of the nation itself. We don't presently have it in the US, but that's a parade we can hope to humbly join in future. My grandchildren are already a multipolar mixture - it would be for them.

Let it be!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 3:29 utc | 78

Regarding the fact that this progression in China is NOT the second Cultural Revolution (CR). What this really shows is that China no longer needs to make the scale of re-balancing that Mao undertook with the original CR. I think if China needed to, today, it well might. But that work is already done, and China has thrived ever since and because of it.

Yes, the CR got out of hand in places and times, and included some tragic results - but it didn't fail to achieve what it was designed to do.

The CR was truly a new revolution that reversed the power structure of society and delivered real, self-determining political power to the villages, and delivered education universally to the peasants.

On this, you can read Godfree Roberts, Jeff Brown, Ramin Mazaheri, and you can also start here:
The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village - Dongping Han


Xi Xinping was himself molded by the CR. He was sent to live and work with the peasants in the dirt and poverty of the countryside. When he was free to return to the city, he elected to return instead to the village he had lived in, and to continue his work there. They remember him now with great love, and there are documentaries available if one wishes to search.

The national leader of China has an understanding of the supreme value of "the people over all things" ingrained into his hands with dirt and blisters and blood. He came by his understanding experientially and honestly.


The Communist Party of China (CPC) has at least 90 million members. One might think that, even on the scale of China's population, joining the CPC would be a routine matter. Xi Xinping applied at least 6 times (I believe actually 10 times in all) before the Party accepted him.

He worked his way into a meritocratic organization, and has worked his way to leadership through merit.

If we wish to understand what runs China, we must know how the CPC works. Here are 3 possible introductions, from Godfree Roberts:
The Chinese Communist Party
China’s Congresses in Action
Selling Democracy to China

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 2 2021 3:46 utc | 79

One final note, on the word "democracy". I suggest it makes things much easier if we use the word "representative" instead.

Even in the USA, there's nuance with this notion, because we know the framers of the Constitution didn't want pure democracy, but they did want good representative government. Their discussions hinged on the matter of what was good representation.

They get a bad rap because they didn't want every person represented directly at the federal level, but recall that they were devising a government for a union of republics that already had their own popular representative governance (to whatever degree at that time).

If we talk about "representative government" we have to ask what kind of representation the weakest individual in society can get. I would submit that in the US the answer is laughable. In China, which takes surveys endlessly, prolifically and as a vital part of analysis and the systematic, results-based development of policy, one can argue very well that the weakest individual is much better represented than in the US.

Fact is, no one wants democracy. What anybody wants is good representative government.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 2 2021 3:47 utc | 80

Nice to know that Xi's re-election at the national party congress looks save know. I've heard that a tight race had been expected.

Posted by: m | Sep 2 2021 3:57 utc | 81

By the way, now that I've read the Asia Times report that b linked to, I can see what a hit job on China it is, using language such as this:

it was published on the websites of the Guang Ming Daily, a unit of the Communist Party’s propaganda department, and the Global Times, a state-run publication known for its provocative views. In the evening, it was reprinted by more state media websites including the People’s Daily, Xinhua, CCTV and

Of course, it refers to the Cultural Revolution as "disastrous" and speaks also of the famine in this way:

Studies suggest the number of non-natural deaths ranged from 20 million to 45 million during the famine. About 20 million people died due to the Cultural Revolution.

If anyone wants to know the truth of the famine, Godfree Roberts has a deconstruction of it in his archives at Unz - follow one of the links upthread.

The article is shit, really crying tears from a western view, and not at all supportive of China, but it reports enough of the original essay to make me hunger to read it. If anyone comes across a translation of it, please do share it.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 2 2021 4:08 utc | 82

Posted by: Cyril | Sep 2 2021 1:09 utc | 69

"I will add that in China these days, long before a major policy gets anywhere near the top, it has gone through local trial spots, and tons of data have been gathered on its effectiveness. So whatever the CPC does nationally, they have a lot of evidence that it would work; this is one reason they have been so successful."

Having been involved in a particular industry in China, I can confirm the above strategy.

Not only those that "work now", but are selected from vendors capable of and have the necessary ability to continue to, in the future.

Some Chinese industry leaders will undertake the task of introducing world-class solutions into their organisations. Many times, multiple organisations will adopt other competing solution.

The solutions are compared via various settings/benchmarks and one or two are rolled out nationwide.

Good business is ensured, once the solutions are selected, added to the "A List", provide support and the inevitable requested future upgrades.

Tested in a dozen locations/situations, rolled out in thousands.

Posted by: OhOh | Sep 2 2021 4:26 utc | 83

And little or no documentation in English - it's intended for the Chinese internal market.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 1 2021 22:24 utc | 52

Sanctions only works when the target is smaller than the country applying the sanction, be it in economic or technological terms. At this juncture, Sanctions will increase the stock of Western hawk's appearance of solidarity in the short term. In the long term they are just taking you down with it.

It is simply preposterous that a country at a multiple of the combined west's population will contine to operate at a fraction of their productivity compared to the "developed" west. Whilst that's the aim of the sanctions, the STEM horses have long bolted. Sanctions will just slightly delay the inevitable, with the bonus problem caused by divergent technology standards as a result of sanctions; incompatibility and efficiency issues when the house of cards finally falls.

As to documentations, it was the same for the Chinese where most of not all of the modern tech docs are in English until now. And before that it was in French and German,and prior to that in Latin, ad nauseum. Its spilt milk and just a reflection of the times. I'm afraid i must point out your myopia here.

Posted by: A.L. | Sep 2 2021 4:57 utc | 84


That is something I have noticed about China with my very small dealings there. If something is good, a technology or whatever it is spread across the nation rather than being in the hands of whoever holds a patent or rights.
Patents can a encourage innovation, but they can also hold back a country.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2021 4:59 utc | 85

i sure wish canada would do what china is doing.. instead our political class listen to jackals like soros...and our election sept 20th - is all the same crap... go china! screw this attempt at the financialization of china on the part of the 1% very much represented by the reprehensible soros... screw them...

b - thanks... great coverage 2021....

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2021 5:08 utc | 86

Some american and chinese virologists are developing the new Sinoamerican virus (let's call it "Sinoamerican 200") in a laboratory in Guangzhou. The virus is a combination of a modified porcine influenza H1N1 and the previous Sinoamerican virus (SARS COV 2). The Sinoamerican 200 will be disseminated somewhere in USA in November 2021.

Posted by: Kim Jong Il | Sep 2 2021 5:54 utc | 87

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 1 2021 18:09 utc | 2

I believe you err when you ascribe literate conceptual abstractions such as "Neoliberalism" and Neoconservatism" and "Zionism" to behaviour that a comment down thread describes more appropriately as the conduct of Capitalist Hyenas.

Your use of these various terms serves to dignify the egregious conduct of the hyenas. It gives them a modicum of polish and undeserved respectability as if to suggest they have spent the better part of a lifetime deep in contemplation of economic theory, epistemology, and other disciplines which seek to expound a theory of human behaviour.

In truth, I suspect the individuals you describe lack any genuine intellectual underpinnings or beliefs. Their behaviour is best described as a derivative of "Gekkoism," a pragmatic, ad hoc, unprincipled and brutish self-interest. There is no ideological basis to a pack of ravening hyenas; their behaviour reflects the absence of any thought apart from the hunger for more. It would be a mistake to even consider the hyenas to be a form of conspiracy for conspiracy requires both an object and an intent and a meeting of the minds in pursuit of that object. The hyena pack operates with one of these.

In short, what you seek to describe is a group of persons shorn of the fundamentals that give rise to community, good public policy, and ultimately a mode of civilization. They understand none of these things either in the abstract, or in lived relations. They operate like termites at the centre of corporate and political governance, hollowing out all the structures and relationships created by their forebears.

I am not arguing against your sentiment. I believe it better not to dignify venal conduct by giving it a gloss which suggests some intellectual underpinning. They are not even worthy of being called Raskolnikovs for they are never forced to confront the real-world consequences of their deeds. Like Biden on Afghanistan, they simply lie, pretend all is well, or transfer the blame to others. They are vermin, and their collective works will bring down and lay waste the United States of America.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 2 2021 6:01 utc | 88

Grieved @79; RE: Cultural Revolution

I haven't read Godfree Roberts, Jeff Brown or Ramin Mazaheri about the CR. I don't know to what extent what I'm gonna say may repeat what they wrote.

I was reading Piketty's "Capital & ideology". He goes into great detail to explain that just after WW2, in the western world, the political parties of the left really represented the working class. But that gradually changed to the point where today they no longer represent the poorest but instead the most educated people. What's striking is that it happened everywhere in the West.

Why's that? Mass higher education happened: an unprecedented, pretty fundamental societal change. The college educated people now became numerous enough to form a class with considerable political weight. They took over the parties of the left to further their own interests.

I don't know much about the history of China. I hypothesize that maybe the same phenomenon was happening in China. Surely the communists democratized higher education. Maybe the Cultural Revolution was a reaction against the consequences, against the newly educated forming a class interest different from the interests of the rest of the population.

Curiously, or not, about the same time, there were also important protests in the West, like May 68 in France. But, although there were some marginal Maoist groups during May 68, I think the protests in the West were fundamentally different. Actually, the Western protests would truly deserve the name of "cultural revolution", whereas the Chinese "cultural revolution" was more like a class revolution. Or maybe the revolutions just failed in the West (but not in China), and we are in this situation where the lower classes just no longer have any political representation.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Sep 2 2021 6:02 utc | 89

Earlier a math teacher stopped by to praise the new time limits on video gaming for young folks in China. I add my own 'bravo' to that.

And here's another one---the Chinese crackdown on celebrity 'culture'.

The Chinese National Radio and Television Administration on Thursday enhanced management on entertainment programs and related personnel, calling for boycott against individuals with illegal or immoral records, sky-high prices for stars and abnormal appreciation of niangpao, or feminine men.

How much of the West's descent into unimaginable societal degradation is due to young kids being raised, for generations now, not by attentive parents, but by TV and Hollywood?

The so-called popular 'culture' has long since imposed itself into the family home and pushed out the role of parents as guides for impressionable young folks.

Some have mentioned the west's dismal STEM graduate production. How are young people supposed to have an interest in math and science when most just want to be 'celebrities'? Or at least social media 'influencers'?

Like everything in society, from financial greed to bringing up children, things cannot be simply left to chance. That produces a garden full of weeds and thorns.

The CPC is truly a shining light in today's world!

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 2 2021 6:09 utc | 90

David F #82

Why don't you go eat a dick.

No point, Blinken got there first.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 2 2021 6:19 utc | 91

By "imperial" Laguerre doesn't mean imperialistic (the desire to build a global empire). Instead he refers to "Imperial" China, the pre-1911 China.

I agree with his observation. While the past decades of Chinese history had been characterized by learning from others - first the Soviet Union, then the USA - there is now a trend to increasingly look at ones own values and traditions anf to shape the Chinese society in this image.

That said it doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese themselves see it this way. Unlike Western observers they are rooted in Chinese traditions and norms. So while for an outside observer continuity might be what jumpes to the eyes the same phenomenon might appear to a Chinese as just "normal".

Posted by: m | Sep 2 2021 6:34 utc | 92

There, I said it.
Sure, the policies are great.
Who wants to live there?
Raise your hand.

Don’t everybody jump up at once.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Sep 2 2021 7:13 utc | 93

The USA will need to do some research to come up with People Centred Policies. One of its large banking institutions is right this very minute fighting for their 'human rights'.

JPMorgan Chase is the bank that gambled with the bank deposits of moms and pops across America in 2012 by trading exotic derivatives in London and losing $6.2 billion in the process. It’s also the bank that admitted to two felony counts in 2014 for its role in facilitating Bernie Madoff ripping off the life savings of thousands of more moms and pops across America. Its rap sheet of ripping off the little guy reads like that of an entrenched crime family.

But when the bank was indicted in France on April 16, 2015 for being complicit in tax fraud, it had the temerity to appeal the charges on the basis that its “human rights” had been violated, along with various codes of criminal procedure. Its argument boiled down to this: it hadn’t been advised that it had the right to remain silent during an interrogation.

And while on the subject of People Centred Policies and still at Wall Street on Parade the next report by Pam and Ross Martens considers the gross disparity of covid cases between Canada and USA. One might get the feeling that Covid has been circulating in the USA for months before Canada. How could that be when the the USA is such a sensitive, people orientated nation? Well its all because of testing...

As of this past Friday, August 27, the U.S. had 330 COVID-19 infections per 100,000 over the last 7 days, according to the Reuters COVID-19 tracker. Canada had 6.3 times fewer cases, reporting only 52 per 100,000 over the past 7 days. The U.S. stood at 62 percent of its prior peak of cases on Friday while Canada stood at 32 percent of its prior peak.

The U.S. and Canada confirmed their first cases of the virus within a week of each other in January of 2020. Both countries began vaccinating their population at roughly the same time, in December of 2020. The majority of shots in both countries came from the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, which require two doses to be considered fully vaccinated.

But the U.S. fell dramatically behind Canada in the early days of testing for the virus. By the middle of March 2020, the testing rate in Canada was approximately five times greater than the testing rate in the U.S. Vox explained the difference in testing between the two countries like this on May 4, 2020:

“Canada was ahead of the North American curve on testing because its federal government once again made the right choices. In mid-March, Canadian federal authorities launched a large-scale testing procurement program aimed at ensuring the country could test early and often. By contrast, Trump put his unqualified son-in-law, Jared Kushner, in charge of the country’s testing ramp-up. Kushner proceeded to hype a Google testing website that didn’t exist and spearhead a drive-through push that, as of early April, had built a grand total of five testing centers across the entire country.”

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 2 2021 7:42 utc | 94

Posted by: Jen | Sep 2 2021 1:56 utc | 74

My point was not about the Uyghurs. But it is true they are suffering in some sense. They should be independent, not an increasingly invaded subordinate territory, somewhat like the Wild West.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2021 7:50 utc | 95

You ignored what OV said and demonstrated once more that you know very little about China.

Posted by: Cyril | Sep 2 2021 1:09 utc | 69

I'm glad to hear you claim to be an expert. All that you've shown is that you believe the propaganda.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2021 7:53 utc | 96

@ Robert Macaire | Sep 2 2021 6:02 utc | 89

“The college educated people now became numerous enough to form a class with considerable political weight. They took over the parties of the left to further their own interests.”

That is only half the story.

One on which major lies are told to separate the peoples against their better interests - post war European society’s in which class, race and gender inequality was perpetuated despite the apparent transformations.

There was the equivalent in most of Europe and North America’s - in an effort to stop the poor, agrarian and industrial slaves living hand to mouth in basic housing with no medical options or welfare education and security that only a few middle class ‘servants’ of the Aristos had.
The success of the Communist Russians in surviving a major assault by the ancient slave owners to stop the revolutionary demands of the poorest from being met - had failed.
They needed to give the masses what was demanded or risk losing everything.

Hence the Marshall Plans and the various versions of
Les trente glorieuses: 1945-1975

The conspiracy and fight back by the ancient overlords to regain their superiority of class was begun equally by seeding and infiltrating the workers social democratic parties with proto neoliberals who were unleashed in the 70’s to destroy these political movements.and restore their old world order - what I call the FumbingDowntoning in the U.K.

Posted by: DG | Sep 2 2021 8:16 utc | 97

Thanks to Grieved, 79-80, for the refresher course on China's political processes. The brief bio on Xi was very helpful, as were the Godfree Roberts links. Much of China's progress reminds me of the saying concerning FDR: that he engaged in 'throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks.' We could go back to doing that in the US, were the will of the people adequately represented.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we in the West had the power to send our wayward politicians to live and work in homeless shelters five years at a time? I'd love to throw that concept against the wall.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2021 8:31 utc | 98

Great conversation here as we take a breather from the fake Afghan narratives - my comment above got sent unfinished and unchecked so here is the rest of it!
First the link to :
Les trente glorieuses: 1945-1975

The conspiracy and fight back by the ancient overlords to regain their superiority of class was begun instantly by seeding and infiltrating the workers social democratic parties with proto neoliberal/conmen and women-and their progeny, who were unleashed in the early 70’s to destroy these political movements in the back of the artificially created oil crises and the end of the gold standards and fixed exchange rates - the Age of fiat money and Secrecy Jurisdictions which are the tax havens - the modern day pirate ports. Many still in the Caribbean 😂

What I call the DumbingDowntoning of the populace by TV aristo worship propaganda in the U.K.

Which has led to the acceptance of BrexShit lie as something the people need/want - when it clearly wasn’t and was not actually voted for unanimously let alone without criminal voter fraud. Aimed at destroying the ever closer EU and protecting the Money from the evolving level playing field.

The post post modern creation of new ‘religions’ - soft mindedness of celebrity, wokeness, instant riches of a lottery, new gender bs, etc supposedly being the aspirations of the majority of minorities, kept in their politically contrived austerity, to enable the Ancient City and its network of privateer National Banks from finally giving up their ‘god given’ ownership over the planet and its life and resources.

Posted by: DG | Sep 2 2021 9:10 utc | 99

Smith @65: "I really hope this kills the stupid gacha games."

Unlikely. The top gacha games produced in China are fully free-to-play (f2p) with no gameplay features being only accessible through their gacha systems. It is the gacha games produced in the US and its imperial satellites that lock off sections of the game unless you pay real world money.

This difference has started me wondering if there are domestic Chinese legal restrictions on the gacha aspects of games produced by Chinese companies or if the Chinese developers just have a less exploitative attitude due to living in a "communist" culture? I'll have to look into that if I find the time...

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2021 9:42 utc | 100

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