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September 09, 2021

Afghanistan - State Department Sanctimoniously Laments About 'Lack Of Female Leaders'

The Hill is channeling  State Department 'concerns':

State Department voices concerns over all-male Taliban government

The State Department on Tuesday expressed concerns over the makeup of the new interim Afghan government announced by the Taliban, including the lack of female leaders and the past actions of some of those appointed to top posts.

A State Department spokesperson said in a statement shared with The Hill that although the Taliban “has presented this as a caretaker cabinet,” the U.S. “will judge the Taliban by its actions, not words.”

“We have made clear our expectation that the Afghan people deserve an inclusive government,” the spokesperson added.

The statement went on to note that the list of names announced by the Taliban earlier Tuesday “consists exclusively of individuals who are members of the Taliban or their close associates and no women.”

Well, the 'caretaker' government surely reflects the wishlist of the Pakistani spy service ISI. Its boss had flown to Kabul to get it implemented as soon as possible.

Sure, the U.S. does not like that. But a look at the governments of certain U.S. 'allies' lets me wonder how genuine the 'concern' about a 'lack of female members' really is.

King Salman presides over a cabinet meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. - Arab News

Amir Of Qatar Reshuffles Cabinet - Asian Telegraph

UAE Cabinet approves 2020 Federal Budget - Emirates 24/7

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Perhaps we could have an exchange program with Afghanistan.
Send Nancy Pelosi to Kabul, for starters.
And Victoria Nuland, and Hillary isn't too busy.

Posted by: librul | Sep 9 2021 11:33 utc | 1

ibrul | Sep 9 2021 11:33 utc | 1

I must admit that Nancy covered from head to foot in black cloth has a certain appeal.
PS. Any cloth would be acceptable.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 9 2021 12:00 utc | 2

How predictable, T

he borg will whine endlessly and nit pick forever, until they have their way and total control of Afghanistan, which they lost on the battlefield. Simply by their incompetence and ineptitude.

Chiefly self defeating by their historic subservience to the ugly philosophy of zionism.The main anglo handicap.

How Ironic that the now defeated party still wants to dictate to the victorious new government.

In a word, arrogance. The MSM are on board, as usual., with new horror stories.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2021 12:16 utc | 3

The so called women leaders we had were all incompetent.

The deputy defence minister, for example, had no military, managerial, or civil service background. Her only qualification was to make right people happy the 'right' way. And this is while the country was in a fight for its life.
same goes for the head of Afghan Film and deputy interior minister...they were all insane! literally.

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 12:23 utc | 4

If only they hadn't pumped so much money and weapons into the fundamentalist allies over the years...

Posted by: ptb | Sep 9 2021 12:31 utc | 5

I am a biologically male transgender lesbian. I should try out for the next US women’s Olympic wrestling team. I could probably take home gold despite my advanced age.

Oh yeah, any organization that hires me would be able to check a bunch of “inclusiveness” boxes.

All the Taliban need to do is have some of their guys claim to self-identity as female (Europeans love those bearded ladies) and the issue is resolved. Max inclusivity.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2021 12:41 utc | 6

The Pakistani ISIS scammed everyone during the negotiations, especially China, Russia, Iran, and India.

Posted by: bob sykes | Sep 9 2021 12:58 utc | 7

Afghanistan is culturally backwards.

It will be centuries before they
learn to publicly twerk.

And they will luv it when we teach
their children to read
the pc way.

(When I was a wee youngster every Christmas season we would go into the big city
to have our photos taken on Santa's lap. This was a big deal every year.
One year there was a Santa's helper dressed up as an elf. I didn't know *what*
he was or what to think of him. Scared me and I still remember him.
Cannot imagine how I would have reacted to a drag queen with horns!
What are the mothers thinking?)

Posted by: librul | Sep 9 2021 13:08 utc | 8

I visited yesterday a Banksy exhibit.
A human experience.
I found this.
Dollaristan exceptionalism shut down.

Posted by: Odenwälder | Sep 9 2021 13:09 utc | 9

Infograph of key figures in Taliban government.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 9 2021 13:20 utc | 10

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 12:23 utc | 4

Thanks Afgun, I suspect you are right about the previous puppets.

Good luck to the new government. May they govern in a fair and normal Islamic way.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2021 13:21 utc | 11

The 'serious people' or "New Puritans" of the Democratic political the establishment have no sense of irony or history evidently. The flip side of the coin to the American Taliban represented by the evangelical Republicans.

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 9 2021 13:28 utc | 12

Posted by: bob sykes | Sep 9 2021 12:58 utc | 7

The hand inside Pakistani ISI"s ass that is using it as a sock puppet is CIA's. As it tricked CIA's enemies.

I have always found these new events from the Taliban takeover to the manufactured chaos at Kabul airport very suspicious and time will definitely reveal the truth....or at least most or part of it.

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 13:36 utc | 13

The so called women leaders we had were all incompetent.

The deputy defence minister, for example, ...
Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 12:23 utc | 4

Judging on outcomes, one can achieve mediocre (charitably speaking) results using women and men alike. Puppet military forces of Afghanistan may be an example.

Actually, a number of Muslim countries had highly ranked women, including heads of government, but in almost all cases this was due to clan ties, e.g. daughter or a widow taking the clan leadership mantle after the death of her father or husband. Bangladesh had both main parties headed by widows for many years. Consequently, when you have a new group taking the power, you see men only, but in a decade or two it may change.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 9 2021 13:42 utc | 14

Taliban rehabers are starting to see what afghans were warning about.

Posted by: Me2 | Sep 9 2021 13:43 utc | 15

William Gruff @ 6

Thanks for your comment.

There is a place for you in NSW, Australia,: Amazon acres, near Wauchope NSW.

I hope you are not a separatist:

Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2021 13:51 utc | 16

This is a waste of time.

The Taliban won the war. They get to form the government they want, and implement the system they want. They can do - and will do - whatever the fuck they want, with or without anyone's blessing.

There's no virtue or morality in war. You either subdue your enemy or you're subdued. It is idealism/fetishism to attribute to the American defeat in Afghanistan some kind of transcendental meaning that reaches the cosmos or something like that. We should always analyze the concrete situation.

Posted by: vk | Sep 9 2021 14:07 utc | 17

Re: VK @17,

VK is right, the Taliban won a bloody 20 year long war, driving out both the foreign occupiers and the collaborator government suffering massive losses from the conflict (mostly from US airpower and drones). bluntly speaking, they have earned the right to impose the government they want. Had the US puppet regime soldiers been willing to at least offer token resistance they could have leveraged that for some representation in the new government. But they couldn't even do that, they actually fled from the Taliban before they even arrived in Kabul. Heck the US puppet president stole $167 million (US) dollars and fled the country without even informing his own office, how could they (collaborators) expect anything from the Taliban, they couldn't even organize a simple hand over of authority of the cities, their entire system melted away from the mere prospect of facing the Taliban in combat, in effect forcing the Taliban to enter the cities and restore some form of order by themselves. Again, speaking bluntly, if they aren't willing to fight for themselves why should they get anything, they've already shown they rather give up power than challenge the Taliban.

Posted by: Kadath | Sep 9 2021 14:28 utc | 18

Is the US State Dept. full of shit or what?

Posted by: erik | Sep 9 2021 14:30 utc | 19

News that Reuters will never publish

The moa Comment Department on Thursday expressed concerns over the mental health of the old Cold Warriors running the U.S. government, including the lack of democracy and the past actions of some of those appointed to top posts.

Jackrabbit said in a statement shared with The moa Commentariat that although the asshats “have presented themselves as moderate,” the realist community “will judge the Empire by its actions, not words.”

“We have made clear our expectation that the people of the world deserve an accountable government,” Jackrabbit added.

The statement went on to note that the list of those responsible for war crimes and grievous human rights violations by the EMPIRE “consists exclusively of individuals who are members of the Western power-elite or their close associates including women like Madeline Albright.”


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2021 14:31 utc | 20

How does the State Department know there are no female leaders, maybe the whole Taliban government 'identify' as women? Have they checked the pronouns?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2021 14:33 utc | 21

@Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2021 14:31 utc | 20

Very good, I endorse that one. The disease has spread according to informed sources.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2021 14:41 utc | 22

Government Type, from CIA World Factbook
KSA, Qatar -- absolute monarchy
UAE -- federation of monarchies

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2021 15:03 utc | 23

I'm more disturbed by the lack of ethnic diversity in the cabinet. Obviously Afghanistan needs immigration of both the legal and illegal kind. They must think of all those ethnic restaurants and their tummies.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Sep 9 2021 15:41 utc | 24

Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2021 13:21 utc | 11

Thanks for your comment.

Yes the Taliban 2.0 are diverse, moral, and ethical but thats not enough for Afghanistan now.

Central Bank's reserves has been frozen. The economy, according to informed Afghan sources, will collapse within the month. This will turn all major cities in Afghanistan into Kabul Airport.

The Taliban are not trained to contain crowds. A massacre of sorts is on the menu (any day now) and US will further use that to squeeze the Taliban- turning life into hell for ordinary Afghans.

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 16:04 utc | 25

the Taliban can have Hilary, Lynn, Liz, AOC, Nancy, MT Greene, Albright, Coonhound Barrett, Rachel Maddow, Laura Ingraham, et al, as far as I care.

you know what? the Taliban are not that stupid.

only men are allowed to lead in the world anyway. Merkel is not a public figure b/c she represents the "values of women" or some horseshit like that. women's health needs, incl everything about maternity, children, etc., are an interruption. under capitalism, half the population is automatically defined as a "loser". as are children, elderly, disabled, immigrants, racially/sexually "other", etc.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 9 2021 16:06 utc | 26

thanks b... ''Sanctimoniously Laments''.... it has a nice ring to it...

what i can't figure out from reading indian punchline is what the game plan is out of pakistan... the pakistani leader - khan - seems like a fairly together guy.... is pakistan still working with the usa, or what is going on in this relationship?? what is the relationship between isi and cia?? i can't figure all this out...anyone with more insight, feel free to help me here..

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2021 16:09 utc | 27

What kind of monetary system will Afghanistan have?

This is the most important dimension to focus on in Afghanistan’s new constitution. Who will create money? How will the money supply be allocated? Will it allow USURY? What about the existing loans and private banks?

Afghanistan’s Shadow Financial Network... “Sarai Shahzada”

Is the Empire holding its funds to ensure that Afghanistan has a central-private banking monetary system? The Financial Empire wants Afghanistan to be a private plantation or playground for terrorists?

In 20 years, NATO/U$A’s administration wasn’t able to establish a viable socioeconomic system in Afghanistan. It let a private monetary system emerge with usury. This shows Empire’s malicious intent, incompetence and fraud. So $2.2 trillion was spent to get rid of OBL? This comes across as a fictional story of WWI.

Nation’s money creation and allocation tells a lot about its direction.

Posted by: Max | Sep 9 2021 16:11 utc | 28

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2021 16:09 utc | 27

In Pakistan, ISI has the last word when it comes to regional policy. Khan is just for show- like American presidents.

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 16:21 utc | 29

afgun - thanks... can you tell us a bit about yourself?? i am curious where your political affiliations lie, and also where you live.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2021 16:25 utc | 30

what i can't figure out from reading indian punchline is what the game plan is out of pakistan... the pakistani leader - khan - seems like a fairly together guy.... is pakistan still working with the usa, or what is going on in this relationship?? what is the relationship between isi and cia?? i can't figure all this out...anyone with more insight, feel free to help me here..

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2021 16:09 utc | 27

Yep, I've been puzzling over that this morning too. Reading around I get a very inconsistent picture of the role Pakistan is playing. Everybody else is clear, India got stuffed, China & Russia are wary but ready to cooperate. The 'Stans seem wary too. Iran seems annoyed, which is odd, they should be ecstatic to have us off that border and far away in the gulf. And Pakistan is supposed to be playing some sort of 11-D chess or is the big winner, Taliban is their men. But also they are cooperating with US, Saudis, good buddies.

I think Taliban and Pakistan are pretty close. I think Pakistan and Taliban both have a big stake in keeping China happy. I expect it will get ugly, but hard to say how ugly. "Biden" clearly wants to do other things, the Pentagon too. The trouble will come from the "Deep State" and the Kakistocracy.

But I'm still waiting for more clues.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 9 2021 16:47 utc | 31

I followed your link to Indian Punchline and it is indeed very interesting and probably very reliable. Read his 'About me'.

Posted by: Nootman | Sep 9 2021 16:51 utc | 32

Women in Ministerial Positions

USA is 104 out of 190 countries with 17.4% women in cabinet.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Sep 9 2021 16:59 utc | 33

Global Times has two Afghan related articles today. The first deals with an article published by The Guardian claiming:

"'Like Game of Thrones': how triple crisis on China's borders will shape its global identity.' The article says that North Korea, Myanmar and Afghanistan are 'three ongoing crises in China's neighborhood,' and called the three countries 'failing states.'"

This is richly reversed to show the Outlaw US Empire is the genuinely "failing state":

"The logic of this article is reversed. It is not that these three countries neighboring China are "failing states." Instead, China's neighbors are targeted by the US to infiltrate and create disorder. Washington intends to use them to levy pressure on China. The chaos or difficulties faced by these countries are due to the intervention or suppression from the US....

The Guardian's report quoted Thant Myint-U, historian and former presidential adviser of Myanmar, who declared that the Western approach to 'failing states' is rooted in 'ideas around elections, democracy, and human rights.' But obviously, by doing so, the US' real purpose is to find excuses for interfering in these countries. The US government does not give any consideration to the feelings of local people, nor does it care about the interests of these countries.

"'If the model imposed by the West is really suitable for these countries, then local people would have accepted it. But in fact, most people and political parties in these countries have rejected the US model. This shows that the model advocated by the US and the West is a political manipulation with evil intentions, rather than providing real freedom and democracy that benefit local people,' Li Haidong, professor at the Institute of International Relations of the China Foreign Affairs University, told the Global Times." [My Emphasis]

The above observations are echoes of those made by Noam Chomsky and many others from the Vietnam period to today and provide evidence of the continuity of criminal--"evil"--policies. Instead:

"'It now appears that the US is more like a 'failing state,' not these countries. The US government has failed to control the COVID-19 epidemic and its hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan has embarrassed itself in the international community. With unsuccessful governance, there are more signs showing that the US is becoming a typical failing state but it refuses to admit this itself,' Li said."

And that leads us to our second article announces:

"[T]he troubles are far from over and another far worse crisis is looming in the country as the US war economy has already thrown the US debt level onto an unsustainable track.

"The urgency of America's debt problem just entered a danger zone as US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned on Wednesday that the US could default on its debt sometime in October if Congress doesn't raise or suspend the debt limit. It would mark the first time in history that the US couldn't meet its obligations, resulting in 'irreparable harm' to the US economy and to global financial markets."

Well, not exactly "the first time" as that occurred when Nixon abandoned the gold standard because the Outlaw US Empire could no longer service its debt via Gold. I wrote about this announcement yesterday relative to additional monetary aid being promised to Ukraine as well as with Biden's massive budget proposal. Max will be pleased to read the report of Japan and China continuing to sell their T-Bills. The parasitical nature of Neoliberal policy is finally causing its predictable crisis helped along by the failed Trade Wars, overly gross wastage of monies on an untenable and unnecessary overseas empire, and a stupendous level of corruption, along with the failed pandemic policy, most of which are noted in both articles. Yet the Outlaw US Empire continues to recklessly spend money in the hopes of provoking confrontation with either China or Russia. Thus I should link to yesterday's Global Times editorial, "China won't accept US hegemonic acts in the South China Sea":

"Simply telling the truth to the US is not enough for China. China needs to take active actions and speed up the establishment of its ability to conduct close-in reconnaissance operations on the above-mentioned bases and coastlines. The rapid development of China's blue-water navy has made this possible. Only by making the US have a taste of its own medicine can we touch the nerves of the US and its allies, and reshape the Western world's understanding of US bullying in the South China Sea.

"The US has deliberately provoked disputes in the South China Sea, and it must in turn endure the PLA's increasingly strong countermeasures against it. The game between the two sides will continue to go to an extreme. The US will definitely see the PLA show up at its doorstep in the not-too-distant future. And together with China, the US will face the uncertainty which is increasingly difficult to control - the two sides' warships and aircraft on the seas will carry huge mutual strategic hostility, and the two countries will not yield to each other.

"If the situation goes on like this, there will sooner or later be an incident between China and the US in the South China Sea. The US is the greatest threat to peace in the South China Sea, and it may eventually ruin the peace in the region. This is not just alarmist talk." [My Emphasis]

The escalation in rhetoric exists throughout the editorial, and it ends with China extremely confidant that it will beat the Outlaw US Empire if war comes. Do recall at the Alaska meeting, Wang Yi promised that China would make the Outlaw US Empire obey International Law. It's now quite clear China has a multifaceted policy plan to make that promise reality and is in the process of its implementation. What's rather humorous to realize is the Empire's being defeated by its own hand as its energies are all turned against it as with judo.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 17:04 utc | 34

re: Pakistan and Afghanistan

After 9-11 India and US support for the northern tribes -- "alliance" -- resulted in a pro-US and pro-India puppet government. Those two countries made large investments in Afghanistan, India with large infrastructure investments. This meant that Pakistan was about to become an India sandwich, with Pakistan's major enemy India on both sides of it. But Pakistan had the Taliban, composed of Pashtuns which are native to the land comprising southern Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan.

General McChrystal's Report to the new President Obama on Aug 30, 2009 included: 'Afghanistan's insurgency is clearly supported from Pakistan. . .and are reportedly aided by some elements of Pakistan's ISI [Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence ]." . . ."Indian political and economic influence is increasing in Afghanistan, including significant efforts and financial investment. In addition, the current Afghan government is perceived by Islamabad to be pro-Indian. While Indian activities largely benefit the Afghan people, increasing Indian influence in Afghanistan is likely to exacerbate regional tensions and encourage Pakistani countermeasures in Afghanistan or India."

Nevertheless, President Obama announced (wrongly) that December (at West Point) that Pakistan would be a US ally with financial support. Mr. Hope And Change also greatly increased the stupid US military investment, sending 70,000 additional troops to the Afghan graveyard of empires. Nevertheless, Pakistan and the Taliban persisted and they have returned Afghanistan to its previous standing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2021 17:22 utc | 35

Bemildred @31 & james @27--

Khan has done a great deal to uncouple Pakistan from the grip the Outlaw US Empire once had upon its actions. Khan probably more than anyone else realizes that Afghanistan holds the key to further Pakistani development as it acts as Central Asia's Traffic Circle for commerce of all sorts which until now was blocked by the Empire. Very importantly, Khan is Pashtun and also quite worldly. Events have held him up, but Escobar promised me he'd devote an article to detailing Pakistan's role in the overall Afghan liberation drama. So far in his most recent articles, he's only noted the importance of the CPEC.

As I said above, events have taken precedence. I do highly suggest his one from today, "9/9 and 9/11, 20 years later," which informs us of a few items either forgotten or unknown until now. For hyperbole, Pepe usually doesn't let that get in the way, but some might interpret his opening in that manner:

"Exactly 20 years after 9/11 and the subsequent onset of the Global War on Terror (GWOT), the Taliban will hold a ceremony in Kabul to celebrate their victory in that misguided Forever War.

"Four key exponents of Eurasia integration – China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan – as well as Turkey and Qatar, will be officially represented, witnessing the official return of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. As blowbacks go, this one is nothing short of intergalactic."

I agree 100% and am ecstatic. The BRICS Summit has concluded. Time to see what developed as a result.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 17:39 utc | 36

This reminds me of the scene in "Life of Brian" where the leader of the group asks "what have the Romans ever done for us?" - and people start telling him:

- The aqueduct
- Sanitation
- Medicine
- Roads
- Irrigation
- Education
- Wine
- Public Baths
- Safe to Walk in the Streets as Night
- Brought Peace

Now lets compare Afghanistan (or for that matter Iraq, Libya, or Syria) before the US got involved, when they had a socialist government that provided much of the above in the cities and were trying to spread this across the country. As we can see, the US fails the "what did the Romans ever do for us" test. Then think about what the Chinese bring with the BRI, ticks off a lot of the boxes doesn't it! The Chinese should write a book on geopolitics about "how to make friends instead of enemies".

Of course the US Borg would not read it, instead they will keep being butt hurt about no longer being allowed to be the unchallenged bully in the schoolyard - "dad, dad, I am not allowed to throw shit kids against the wall anymore!" and whine and whine in the most annoying manner as ex bullies do.

This also reminds me of Anne Applebaum, the inveterate US propagandist Russian hater (and her Russian hating Polish husband), who just cannot stomach one good word about the Soviet Union passing her lips or travelling through her pen. A one-star reviewer of one of her books put the experience of Poland with the Soviet liberation/occupation well (halina s. brown):

"Let’s remember that before the war Poland was a very poor and backward country. Three quarters of the population lived in rural areas, living the lives of poverty or near poverty. The country was governed by a military junta led by Marshal Pilsudski, and political opposition was brutally silenced. My mother went to school hungry as a child, and at fourteen was already working in a Lodz textile factory, with all its unhealthy working conditions. After forty years of “bad communism” three quarters of the population lived in cities, with modest but assured livelihoods and well above poverty level. The illiteracy was completely eliminated, infant mortality plunged, healthcare became a universal right, and access to university education became common. If it was not for that system, my family would be still toiling as proletarians, and I would not have had the life I had during my first 20 years: of superior high school education, high culture, splendid theater, arts, sports, books, and many a thinly veiled contempt, happened.
You also say that the greatly condensed educational opportunities after the war, mostly for people with working class backgrounds, and necessary to rebuild the missing intelligentsia, produced an army of mediocrity. This is a personal opinion, not a scholarly statement. Let me assure you that there was no more mediocrity in that generation in Poland than in any other society. As to my generation: we were anything but mediocre. We were idealistic, full of hope for the post-war future, full of creativity, curious, engaged. I know because I was there. And you were not."

We must continue to seek the out historical truths so that we can judge the world accurately rather than be conned by the Western "Winston Smith's" who work so hard to have us forget, or even believe their imperialist fairy tails (Niall Ferguson, a friend of Applebaum's comes to mind). The untold millions who died through the violence, famines, slavery and neoslavery of the Western Empire, and continue to do so, ask of us this simple request - "remember us and remember what we were before the West arrived in our lands".

Posted by: Roger | Sep 9 2021 17:42 utc | 37

No woman in the Taliban gov but remember me how many people from the working class are in the USA gov, Parliament, Senat, Governer and so on ? But we have women... and billionaires. And maybe one day, also lesbian and trans. But still no worker nor in the US neither in any of it's allies alley of power. Equal rights... but not for the poorer and those who build our world.

Posted by: John V. Doe | Sep 9 2021 17:48 utc | 38

The Shia Uelema at least, are calling the new Government "Unfair".

Bemildred | Sep 9 2021 16:47 utc | 31

One clue is said to be that the Pakistanis (Military Generals of Punjab origins) are trying to destroy Pashtun "nationalism", which exists on both sides of the border.

Can't help much further than that at the moment.

We may yet see a breakdown of the "Taliban" into diverse tribes and degrees of religious fervour. There ARE extremist nuts who want to install something that they think existed 20 years ago. These are the dangerous ones for any new Government.

The most unhappy man met in Saudi Arabia many years ago, was one with four wives (which is the legal limit in SA, but 9 for the King) and only ONE house. If he said anything wrong to one of them, they ALL set on him, and he had to sleep in the Mosque.

Please; A question about bride price?. In Saudi Arabia, the money (settlement) was given directly to the girl/woman being married. With the result that women had assets. If they were smart, the several camels/goats or Money could be bred/converted into a herd or solid Gold jewellery. With the result that years later they possibly owned more than the men. (Divorce; if the Man divorced she kept the bride-Price, if the contrary, the man recovered the price).

Question, I believe that Saudi is the only one who does it this way, but as (Sunni) Whahabism is also the basis in Afghanistan, is this correct?
Aside; The price depended on the status of the girl. An educated Princess was naturally worth/paid more than a bedouin. The worst off were the westerners who married for "love". They did not get a bride price, as they had given themselves away for "free", so they were worth "nothing". For one girl (happily married, I should add), the local community "invented" a value, simply to enable her to have some standing within the local community. Otherwise she would have been an outcast.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 9 2021 17:50 utc | 39

James, I would suggest not listening to the useless noises of this 'Afgun' character.

The same goes for Bhadrakumar, who is completely unreliable---as I have noted in recent comments here. Yesterday I pulled together info from Russian and Chinese media that are close to their respective governments, and which contradicts these silly 'analyses' from various quarters.

There is no CIA bogeyman standing behind Pakistani intel. That is just pure nonsense. Let's remember that it was Pakistan that firmly said NO to US requests for drone bases there, so they could continue ops in Afghanistan.

Things have changed from 10 or 20 years ago. China is Pakistan's main ally now and is investing billions in the China Pakistan Economic Corridor. The two are also formal military allies. Do you think Pak is going to piss on China for the sake of some goofy CIA, which is completely incompetent anyway, as demonstrated by their huge failure to predict anything that happened in the Afghan endgame?

This is nothing but fairy tales for children. We are in a new world now in many ways, especially in this region of Asia. The US has been completely uprooted in Afghanistan, and they have no way back in.

I mentioned yesterday that the Talib invited only six nations to attend the official government ceremony, and that China and Russia are likely to attend:

China might send representatives to attend the ceremony held by the Taliban to announce its new government but will not recognize it so soon. The Taliban needs to do more to prove that it has cut off ties with terrorist groups...

China to provide emergency aid of 200m yuan, including food, 3 million vaccines to Afghanistan

Today GT has an extensive interview with the Talib spokesman:

Shaheen told the Global Times that the Taliban plans to invite high-level delegations from China and Russia to Afghanistan. He also hopes high-level Afghan delegations can visit Beijing and Moscow.

He also stressed that the government just announced is INTERIM. I already commented yesterday that it is not realistic to expect goofy 'inclusiveness' at this early stage. There is a lot of serious work ahead.

Clearly the Talib are focusing squarely on DIPLOMACY with Russia and China as a priority. I have said this already many times. Everybody in the region IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

Frankly, I see a lot of nonsense from supposedly 'seasoned' observers like Bhadrakumar and others. Pepe's article from yesterday about the new govt [up on Saker site] is very factual and neutral. He, to his credit, does not make the mistake of jumping to silly conclusions.

And finally, about the issue of women's rights and the utter hypocrisy and crocodile tears of the US propaganda [as if these criminals care about ANYbODY'S rights]. This article by John Pilger from a couple of weeks ago has been linked here before, but it is essential historical reading on what Afghanistan once was, under a socialist government, and how the US destroyed that using its bearded fanatics of radical Islam.

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 9 2021 18:08 utc | 40

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 9 2021 17:50 utc | 39
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 17:39 utc | 36
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2021 17:22 utc | 35

Thank you all. I got around to reading Pepe just now, and Bhadrakumar. And there was another one I'm not going to look for now, about the connection with the "Blind Sheik" and getting rid of Masoud to enable our invasion and takeover.

Bhadrakumar seemed a bit incensed at the perfidy of the Taliban/Pakistan. I think Stonebird's hint is likely spot on. I jibes with comments I saw from Khan about the connection between Pakistan and Afghanistan. But I wonder what the CIA etc. think they are doing in all this. Conned again, maybe.

About all I can add is I think this story is not over.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 9 2021 18:13 utc | 41

Btw, some may remember this 'Afgun' character here on the board from a few weeks ago, when he was involved in a spirited mudfest with another Afghani, but of a different ethnicity. Bernhard removed a bunch of these idiotic comments, some of which had degraded into real ugliness on the likes of 'your people have always been our servants' etc.

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 9 2021 18:14 utc | 42

Roger @ 37: THANKS for that! ✊

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 9 2021 18:17 utc | 43

@james (27) Are you assuming that Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Kahn controls the ISI? That is like assuming that U.S. President Joe Biden controls the CIA.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 9 2021 18:20 utc | 44

re: interest in intel agencies's an opinion of Mark Cancian (qualified?). . .

Captured data. Given the rapid collapse of Afghan forces, it is unlikely that our Afghan allies took the effort to destroy all sensitive material. Thus, the Taliban likely captured many computers and now have access to databases that the US and its coalition kept in Afghanistan. This captured data, both electronic and hard copy, includes details of military, diplomatic, and intelligence activities, not only in Afghanistan but across the entire region.
This will make interesting reading when the Taliban publishes them, as they certainly will. Some items will merely be embarrassing, such as the many complaints about corrupt Afghan government officials. This will resemble the WikiLeaks publication of documents stolen by then-Private Manning, where the gossip about world leaders was tantalizing but ultimately of little significance. More serious will be publication of the names of Afghan and US intelligence officials and details about ongoing operations, because these will damage US security and may be fatal for the Afghans. The precedent here is the 1979 Iranian revolution, which painstakingly reconstructed shredded US Embassy documents and published sensitive and sometimes embarrassing details about US intelligence operations. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2021 18:23 utc | 45

@Posted by: John V. Doe | Sep 9 2021 17:48 utc | 38

"No woman in the Taliban gov but remember me how many people from the working class are in the USA gov, Parliament, Senat, Governer and so on ? But we have women... and billionaires. And maybe one day, also lesbian and trans. But still no worker nor in the US neither in any of it's allies alley of power. Equal rights... but not for the poorer and those who build our world."

An excellent point, in the West we can have SJW, feminism and even intersectionality (in which the issue of class seems to go missing quite a lot)- but never, never, can the lack of the bottom three quarters plus of the population in positions of power be discussed. A US working class black lesbian woman has much more in common with a working class straight white man than with Oprah, Ellen, Kamala, Obama, Condaleeza Rice, Susan Rice, or Killary. Got to keep them separated though, in case they get together in some "Rainbow Coalition" and take control of the country for the benefit of the majority (or "the deplorables" to the PMC types).

Posted by: Roger | Sep 9 2021 18:34 utc | 46

james and Bemildred

A lot of interviews with Kahn on youtube. I have only watched a few. One which would take a while to dig up now was when he talked about the mess US had made of the region beginning with the CIA and Wahhabi moves in Afghanistan in 1979.
One video here from a few months back. At the time his main worry was a very bloody civil war in Afghanistan which so far has turned out to be not the case, but it gives and idea of what he thinks of the US and how he thinks. As to how he thinks, for me it is similar to the way the Russian leadership looks at problems.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2021 18:44 utc | 47

Putin spoke about Afghanistan at today's BRICS Summit, and the joint New Delhi Declaration was published. Part of Putin's address:

"The withdrawal of the US and their allies from Afghanistan has led to a new crisis situation, and it remains unclear how it will affect regional and global security, so it is absolutely right that our countries pay special attention to this issue.

"Understandably, just like its BRICS partners, Russia has consistently advocated the establishment of long-awaited peace and stability in Afghanistan, where the people have been fighting for many decades and have earned the right to independently determine what their state will be like.

"At the same time, we are not interested in Afghanistan remaining a threat to neighbouring countries or having terrorism and illegal drug trafficking coming from the Afghan territory threaten us. We are interested in stopping the migration flow and we want the Afghans to be able to live a peaceful and dignified life in their own country.

"I have mentioned many times that the current round of the crisis in Afghanistan is a direct consequence of irresponsible extraneous attempts to impose someone else’s values on the country and to build 'democratic structures' using socio-political engineering techniques, ignoring the historical and national specifics of other nations and the traditions by which they live.

"All of that leads to nothing but destabilisation and, ultimately, chaos, after which the masterminds behind these experiments hastily retreat leaving their charges behind. The entire international community then has to face the consequences.

"I am convinced that peaceful progress in international relations can be guaranteed only through ensuring the existence of states with different political and social systems, their own national interests and spiritual and moral values, but with mandatory observance of the fundamental principles of international law enshrined in the UN Charter, including non-interference in internal affairs and respect for sovereignty." [My Emphasis]

It should come as no surprise given the above emphasis to discover that the second point in the joint declaration echoes Putin's words:

"Recalling our shared values of peace, rule of law, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms and democracy for all, we pledge to promote a more inclusive, equitable and representative multipolar international system with the United Nations at its center, based on international law and purposes and principles of the UN Charter, in particular the sovereign equality of all States and respect for their territorial integrity, with the aim to build a brighter shared future for the international community based on mutually beneficial cooperation."

Russia, China, BRICS, SCO, CSTO, ASEAN, and other nations continue to stress the importance of the above LAW that the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals continuously and purposefully break. That now the Empire finds itself floundering in multiple crises of its own making, is it any wonder no nation says it's willing to help, with the exception of pandemic help which it has steadfastly refused to accept?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2021 18:47 utc | 48

@@Posted by: John V. Doe | Sep 9 2021 17:48 utc | 38

The US government already has a trans woman in a senior position, Rachel Levine (parents were both lawyers, i.e. upper middle class or above). She has two children, and transitioned in 2011.

There was Amanda Simpson before that (can't find anything about her upbringing, although as an adult she refers to her parents as "mommy and daddy" which can be seen as upper class). Transitioned whilst working at Raytheon, a good warmonger.

Being gay or lesbian and in power is old hat already "This “rainbow wave” of politicians joins the most diverse Congress ever, which includes over 100 women, over 50 black members, 39 Hispanic members, two Native American women, and two Muslim women." Notice that there is no mention of CLASS.

"The average member of Congress spent less than 2 percent of his or her entire pre-congressional career doing the kinds of jobs most Americans go to every day. No one from the working class has gotten into politics and gone on to become a governor, or a Supreme Court justice, or the president." Thats why I would prefer the Greek way of random selection for government service, at least you would get a representative sample of the population.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 9 2021 18:50 utc | 49

I meant the Ancient Greek way of course

Posted by: Roger | Sep 9 2021 18:51 utc | 50

As we can see, the US fails the "what did the Romans ever do for us" test.
Posted by: Roger | Sep 9 2021 17:42 utc | 37

Nice angle.
Well worth resuscitating every time the Empire meddles beyond its shores.
-------------------- aka Foreign Correspondent finally did something that wasn't inspired by being a vassal to Empire vassal Sco Mo in tonight's edition. They followed an activist from Africa who visits Brit & Euro-trash Museums to 'inspect' the vast quantities of African Cultural Artefacts looted from countries whilst colonised by the Crusaders. He occasionally 'kidnaps' a stolen artefact and walks out the door with it. He's been arrested a few times in various Christian Loot-ocracies and the French are getting very pissed off with him...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 9 2021 18:56 utc | 51

How Taliban reacted to the news of fall of Kabul

Posted by: Afgun | Sep 9 2021 18:58 utc | 52

The women of Afghanitan don't have time for such things. They are still trying to wrap their heads around the concept of "conceptual art". Give them time, maybe a few in the cabinet will identify as female.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 9 2021 19:04 utc | 53

Given that the interim Afghan government is comprised of Taliban hardliners, it’s not unreasonable to expect that the permanent government will be similarly disposed. I’m not predicting this outcome, but no one should be surprised if it comes to pass

Posted by: Rob | Sep 9 2021 19:21 utc | 54

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2021 18:23 utc | 45

Captured data: yes, that makes a lot of sense. Not sure what anybody could do about it, but what do I know? Maybe they are up to something.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2021 18:44 utc | 47

Thanks for that video, I'd heard of it. Very interesting picture of Khan, pushy interviewer too. The one I read he was saying "of course we're friends of the Taliban, they are our relatives". And I did get the feeling he was very worried about stability, and having Taliban be more "reasonable" than last time.

From that point of view, the elevation of the religious hard-liner over Baradar may seem a bad sign.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 9 2021 19:28 utc | 55

In Muslim world, the word namoos carries much weight.
Namoos means principle, chastity, one’s wife and daughters. When the empire’s soldiers kicked doors down to invade houses, people took exception when womenfolk were not properly attired, and that their namoos was invaded.
They empire didn’t care then, why do they now?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Sep 9 2021 19:30 utc | 56

Bemildred 55

Best to wait and see I think. The only thing that matters, is that who ever is in government can unite the country enough for peace. Afghanistan has been subject to over 40 years of psyops and every other form of war by the US.
The who or how I think is meaningless at this point.
Taliban took over all of Afghanistan with very little fighting soon as US pulled out of the fight. Even that last valley fell very quickly which to me indicated a good part of the population there may be at least neutral towards the Taliban.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2021 19:43 utc | 57

TextAll the Taliban need to do is have some of their guys claim to self-identity as female (Europeans love those bearded ladies) and the issue is resolved. Max inclusivity.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2021 12:41 utc |

William, that is brilliant. I love it!

Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 9 2021 19:45 utc | 58

Sakineh Bagoom @Sep9 19:30 #56

The english terms for what you describe are dignity, modesty, and respect. Each reflect a different part of what you are writing about.

These things are important in Western culture also but differ in degree and circumstance.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2021 19:49 utc | 59

I'm surprised no one has noted that "Meanwhile in Texas..." the state denies (female) citizens sovereignty over their bodies. It still always makes me laugh how hypocritical and contradictory Americans' definition of freedom is. Taliban leave women out of cabinet, Texas forbids a rape victim the right to an abortion. I know which one is the more direct (and vicious) attack on women.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 9 2021 20:49 utc | 60

The NATO bloc on the UN Security Council rushed a resolution a week or so ago outlining a series of “commitments” expected from the new Taliban government - the usual grab bag of “western values”. This will allow any and all criticisms of lack of such values on behalf of afghan gov’t to be framed as a disavowal of sacred “commitments” and possibly set stage for some sort of action(s) in response to a failure to live up to such commitments - even as the “commitments” were never actually committed to, but rather simply unilaterally expressed.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 9 2021 21:04 utc | 61

On Khan the Great Man of Pakistani Cricket.

I don’t want to be unkind or malign just state some facts.

When any Pakistan leader threatened the status quo they were blown to bits.

He hasn’t yet.

When the Kashmiri new settlement was imposed by Modi - he didn’t go to war.

He was married to a princess of the Implacables to sire children that would be entitled to great futures by virtue of bloodline and than divorced just as quickly to live in regret that he is now compromised for ever - a man being forced to choose between his country and his own children!
He is ‘one of us’ apparently Kissinger said.

The Pakistan tribal connections that exist here in the U.K. now several generations in are perhaps one of the worst causes of continued ghettoisation and intolerance by any Brits against their own neighbours of all ethnicities. I can’t express the distaste of seeing young free children the same as their neighbours suddenly turn into exact facsimiles of these ancient tribal villagers , whose chieftains reach across the oceans and time to use them as common chattels in their arranged marriages and gangsterism.

Not much has changed in Pakistan since it was born artificially to be a disposable pawn in our Anglo Imperialist Game. Except the latest semi reluctant participant in the BRI.

I don’t yet have a final opinion on Imran , I hope not to be screaming
‘Curse you KHAN’ like Captain Kirk.

Posted by: DG | Sep 9 2021 21:16 utc | 62

The Taliban picked leadership that are ready to gear up for battle at a moments notice against the Empire. They seem pretty competent to me.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 9 2021 22:08 utc | 63

I am behind but catching up - so first, thanks to karlof1 for all his posts on the previous open thread concerning China, and Afghanistan, and all the rest - who needs the msm??

And a special thanks for your Alistair Crooke link @ 232 there - that is just a wonderful piece. Point of disclosure:- when my boys were - well - boys, their older sister gave them...a video game. It was something like a 'Mario' game; they were only just coming out, so this was between thirty and forty years back. It did look great, but then it didn't - to me anyway. They were stuck in their bedroom, and I do mean 'stuck', rooted to the floor, not even pausing for food. Playing and playing and playing that thing.

Well, I couldn't stand it. It was summer and normally they would be out with their bikes or their basketballs...playing. Not this stuff!

I smashed it. Awful thing to do, and of course it didn't really stop the world from turning. But I think my outrageous act did make its mark, even when the new normal became the new normal.

They do not forget that I did that, nor do I. And I don't regret it one bit.

Way to go, Xi! Way to go.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2021 22:11 utc | 64

thanks everyone who replied to me upstream... @ 36 karlof1... thanks.. yes, a synergy is happening with china and pakistan, but i think the fact imran khan is in power is a blessing for pakistan... i read his autobiography and quite like the man.... the video @ 47 peter au gave us is a good place to start of getting an insight into the man... graceful responses right into the end of that interview where he is challenged by the usa interviewer... khan knows how to answer clearly and on point...

@ 40 gordog... thanks... yes - the concept of cia pulling isi's strings doesn't add up to me here either, although this is how bhadrakumar wants to frame it.. i have to keep in mind he is an indian diplomat, or son of an indian diplomat trying to make sense of the tea leaves... i do recall afgun from previous threads.. the fact they have avoided my direct question says all i need to know, which i kind of already had from before, lol....

@ Rob | Sep 9 2021 18:20 utc | 44... well, i am not assuming too much, but i suppose that looked like it based on my question! if you listen to the video @ 47 peter au shared, he does say he didn't visit with burns, the cia guy, but the head of isi did... and the head of isi is a part of khans govt, so on some level there must be some discussion involving the 2 men and a greater understanding of what pakistan is or isn't willing to do for the usa.. based off the interview it sounds as though pakistan is unwilling to give the cia much room or leeway for much of anything when it comes to afganistan... that is my impression too...

@ DG | Sep 9 2021 21:16 utc | 62..... pakistan has suffered the murder of a number of their political leaders, when they are not having to deal with military dictatorships with usa backing - musharraf being the most recent one that i can think of... in fact i imagine the cia helped orchestrate that back in 1999, but i could be mistaken... maybe that was all isi... he is still living in dubai apparently.. it is a dangerous country to have to lead.... i wish imran khan every success.. it is a dangerous role to play given pakistans recent history..... cia meddling doesn't help either...

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2021 22:13 utc | 65

The article by Crooke is named "It's Raining Scarlet Letters" by the way. Makes me want to go back and read the novel!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2021 22:17 utc | 66

james @ 65, I saw him play cricket in New Zealand back in the day - - oh now, that was something else! Talk about the days of wine and roses... those Pakistani cricketers, heroes all! And I speak as one who saw Hadlee play as well, so I know whereof I speak. I know.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2021 22:22 utc | 67

DG "When any Pakistan leader threatened the status quo they were blown to bits. He hasn’t yet."

By that definition, the only good leader of Pakistan is a dead one.
Another way to look at things is the term coined by a, I think Soviet diplomat, 10 years of negotiations is better than ten years of war.
As far as Kahn goes I think a good deal of the military and intel back him similar to Putin in his early days. He would have been killed of very quickly without the backing of those two branches. There in an interview with Putin not long after he came to power. The interviewer asked him if he was afraid - something along that line - Putin just shrugged and said a hanged man cannot drown. Putin simply did not know if he would live or die, and for him, his greatest concern was the safety of his family.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2021 22:44 utc | 68

Last one - james on garden comparisons back beyond - yes, totally different environment at about 6000 ft altitude in the high mountain desert country. Fascinating stat: we have during our winters a migration up the Rio Grande (or they've just decided this is home) of seagulls! Being a native kiwi I love to see them. They're much quieter than the home country's ones, but seagulls they be.

Your treatment is what I should have been doing all along, but only had the infestation in a minor way previous years so I've skipped doing it and still had a nice crop. The bugs, yes, bugs they be, only eat the inedible part, the core. So, given better conditions my apples would still have been usable though not keepable. So I can't really blame them,(the bugs) but every apple - well, the birds are benefiting...

It's darned hot here still, but with low humidity all you need is a wet towel and a fan...

Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2021 22:51 utc | 69

@james (27) Are you assuming that Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Kahn controls the ISI? That is like assuming that U.S. President Joe Biden controls the CIA.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 9 2021 18:20 utc | 44

Apart of giving Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic a Jewish name (Khazars made it to the Indian subcontinent, hence Kahns?), this is very accurate.

Controlling human beings is tricky under best circumstances. Pakistan, as any large country, is quite complex. Plutocrats of Pakistan may be controlled by Financial Empire to a degree as they need bank accounts, export markets etc. ISI and military is different, and they are different from each other. Hoi polloi are definitely outside the orbit of Imperial Narrative Control. And there are also religious differences within Pakistan, and since Islamic Republic recognizes a profound role of religion, those differences matter.

Both military and ISI are obsessed with the precarious strategic situation in respect to India. ISI is additionally staffed by religious fanatics -- for decades they were in charge of religious fanatics "fighting for Kashmir liberation", and those things rub off, compare with attitudes of Ukrainian fascists being absorbed by American intelligence. Taliban represents everything ISI likes: free of any whiff of Indian influence and admirably pius. Military would be a bit more nuanced, but not much.

Pakistani paranoia requires reliable weapons, and thus they treasure their good standing with USA, but when they smell any trace of Indian influence, they get edgy. Since USA tries to put India in its orbit, Pakistani MUST hedge their bets, which means China. They also want good relations with Iran, same reason as for Afghanistan, with obviously different means.

Yet, many times the deal with Iran to build a gas pipeline that would boost Pakistani energy balance was re-confirmed, and it remains stalled till today. The only explanation I see is American pressure. But this is a matter of finance and trade where American influence is strong. Attitudes about Taliban are set in stone among intelligence and military. Ironically, with Germany it is reverse: industrialists may exhibit independent streaks (hence North Streams) that seem absent in military-intelligence circles. But Germany is not paranoid about being sandwiched between hostile France and Poland, while economic strength of Germany lies in making complex machinery and thus Germany needs market access to countries that develop industry, like China, Russia and Iran.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 10 2021 0:16 utc | 70

@ juliania... i certainly admire imran khan... i don't do the dormant oil every year, but it's a good idea... my friend says it is high 90's in north colorado today as well.. we have high 70's here...

@ peter au... here's an interesting possibility, but unverifiable... this has to do with me being into astrology.. imran khans birthdate is supposed to be oct 5, 1952... putins is supposed to be oct 7th 1952... just a coincidence i suppose, but it is interesting non the less.. the only hitch is it is impossible to verify this data.... both men have pluto rising ahead of the sun, an indication of a powerful personality that is not swayed easily by fear or much of anything, and a laser type focus too by the look of it.. take it all fwiw coming from your local resident moa astrologer, lol - for most of my life..,_Imran,_Vladimir

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2021 0:21 utc | 71

Looking at the records of Maggie Thatcher, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Killary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Madeleine Albright, Mayaben Kodnani, Aung San Suu Kyi, Mrs Mao, et al, I confess to not being automatically enthusiastic about women in government.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 10 2021 1:57 utc | 72

james 71

I'm not much into astrology but it is a casual interest to see if it matches events. Our character is programmed into us before we are born so perhaps sun and moon cycles influence it a little as they do fish feeding times. I think those fish feeding times charts are quite common now, but when I was using one I ended up only going fishing on the times specified as I found through experience I would catch nothing outside those times. What did interest me was that the fish feeding times were not in sync with the tide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2021 2:08 utc | 73

Here are some interesting articles on vacuum created in Afghanistan by the NATO/Five Eyes failures, its too late for them to complain now, they had 20 years to do something constructive:

"It should also underline the need to tread very carefully with any spread of Five Eyes involvement into other areas of government such as Frydenberg has been pushing. To do so will only serve to expose these areas to the same degree of control which the US has exerted over independent national security agendas as exemplified in the whole Afghanistan experience".

The Afghan economy is to be subsidised by China who will take over Bagram Airbase:

"There are already reports suggesting that China is trying to gain access to the Bagram airbase recently abandoned by withdrawing US troops. Beijing would likely need a bigger and well-equipped air facility than Kabul airport for its trade and investment activities in Afghanistan".

Posted by: Paul | Sep 10 2021 2:59 utc | 74

Priceless: The guys we've worked like mad to murder and exterminate (and we're still trying) better behave -- we're judging them by their action.

That, and the even crazier cluelessness of asking for women in a Taliban government.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Sep 10 2021 3:01 utc | 75

The Taliban themselfes have announced that they would form an inclusive government and that would take steps towards the full integration women into the work life of the Afghan society (within the framework of Sharia). So why are there no women (with hijab) in the government?

It might not be meant honestly but Washington has a point. This is not in accordance with the Talibans previous announcements.

Posted by: m | Sep 10 2021 4:06 utc | 76

@17 vk
The Taliban have won the war in Afghanistan but they gaven't conquered other countries.

Those orher countries can grant or withhold economic or humanitarian help as they wish. They can officially recognize the new Afghan government or not. They can decide if they want to conduct trade with a Taliban governed Afghanistan or stop trade and freeze the Afghan governments bank accounts in their territory. After all they are souvereign states.

Right now it's the Taliban who appeal to abstract moral principles and to the consciousness of others. Because without help from abroad there will be a famine in Afghanistan.

Posted by: m | Sep 10 2021 4:48 utc | 77

too bad Zbigniew Brzezinski is dead, this total loss of Afghan-i-Nam to some of the very forces which he helped to incite and fund 40 years ago or so.....would have killed him :)

I like the idea of Afghan-i-Nam free of all foreign forces and foreign-controlled puppet governments. & I hate the taliban

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 10 2021 5:59 utc | 78

to jackrabbit #20

"...the list of those responsible for war crimes and grievous human rights violations by the EMPIRE “consists exclusively of individuals who are members of the Western power-elite or their close associates including women like Madeline Albright.”

that list of the military, political and economic Elites of the Empire would clearly number into the tens of thousands from the USA, canada, europe/NATO and australia..... many many years of trials, life sentences and executions, on that list, to be sure.

jr, I like that you mention M. Albright. I put her much in the same despicable class as H. Kissinger, that other 'elder war criminal' I mean 'elder statesman' of the Rogue Empire.

that list of women is quite large, too, to include among others Condoleezza Rice, Samantha Power, Susan Rice, Hilary Clinton, Gina Haspel, and Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland, for beginners....

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 10 2021 6:09 utc | 79

Literally, every time you read that "the Taliban took over Afghanistan" in the MSM, just replace it with "Afghanis took over Afghanistan" and the rest of the article will make a lot more sense.

Posted by: Sam | Sep 10 2021 6:20 utc | 80

michaelj72 78

Brzezinski will be rolling in his grave seeing MacKinder's heartland closing ranks like it is with China's silk roads now beginning criss cross and transport large amounts of goods right across Eurasia..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2021 7:05 utc | 81

UK ready to continue the Forever War

UK would be prepared to launch Afghanistan drone strikes, says Wallace

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 10 2021 8:18 utc | 82

The CIA is a mayor supplier of tech for the ISI and one of its foreign financiers.
The ISI was a source of nefarious ideas for the CIA, such as creating Islamic fanatic groups to create trouble in other nations of its choice. This wizard apprentice ploy went a bit out of hand inside Pakistan where the ruling generals now have toe their own Islamic fanatic groups lines. Chinese (infidels) are working in fear inside Pakistan on Belt-and-Road megalomania paid by strangling loans. Sri Lanka is already on the brink by them plus the Wuhan flu:

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 10 2021 8:34 utc | 83

As others are noting the Imperial lunatics who considers themselves ‘born to rule’ from families going back centuries (‘aye even unto the Middle Ages’ (ref to a ‘very British coup’ if anyone interested) ) are flying out into the media like so many ghouls raised from their crypts.

The man wanting to use British drones to assassinate thousands of miles away better understand that very shortly these people will have exactly the same ability and weapons to target him and his home exactly from ‘over the horizon’.
The really big Ghouls of British death in Afghanistan the Crown t man Blair (Crazy Bob (from Twin Peaks )) who still wanders the castle like a ghost and the arch mandarin that controlled “Yo Blair” and the DS - Powell (“it’s pronounced ‘Pole’ not ‘Pow - ell’, as written you oiks! We are Annnncient overlords , kneel and submit to my superiority”)) has dragged hisself onto the stage in a fit of angst and fury that the Yanks have let the Anglo Imperial dream down and only his class and pedigree and poncey pronounciated name sakes should be heard!

Ouanquers is what I say to them - if ever they meet these tossers in a public forum, without their thug praetorians to hide behind, always teach them to pronounce words as they are wrote - the ponces.

Posted by: DG | Sep 10 2021 9:28 utc | 84

"So why are there no women... in the government?"

The durability of the delusion among the imperial fanbois is sure something to see. These militant idiots cannot grasp the simple fact that they lost the war and thus don't have a say in what happens in Afghanistan now that they've had their asses kicked out.

The imperial fanbois don't even comprehend their own words: "...they [Taliban] would form an inclusive government and that would take steps towards the full integration women into the work life of the Afghan society..."

Delusional imperial fanboi idiots cannot seem to understand that their warped definition of "inclusive" has no relevance to the Taliban. Rather, it is up to the Taliban to decide what "inclusive" means with respect to their government. These idiot imperial fanbois think that they, the losers, can impose their definitions and standards upon the winners? Stunningly ignorant and infantile hubris!

Furthermore, what part of "...would take steps towards..." do the imperial fanbois fail to comprehend even when they use it in their own complaints? It is the Taliban who get to decide what those steps are, not loser imperial fanbois.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 10 2021 9:36 utc | 85

They forgot to mention LGBT and transgender!

Posted by: padre | Sep 10 2021 9:49 utc | 86

The idea that, because a politician has the same genital configuration as me, means they're somehow "representing" me, is laughable.

Posted by: Observer | Sep 10 2021 11:04 utc | 87

The moral vapidity of modern feminism laid bare before us, like a vulgar porno pose.

Posted by: northernobserver | Sep 10 2021 12:22 utc | 88

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 9 2021 12:00 utc | 2

I wonder when Craig Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan which is next door, is being released form HM Prison?

A wealth of local knowledge. Now Murray is further educated in oppression.

Surely he would be a new incorruptible and effective candidate for the new UK ambassador to Afghanistan. If the FO really wanted the new UK foreign representative with instant street cred with the new Afghan government, Murray is the man.

Murray would be persuasive and effective in the usual UK diplomatic way. When Murray talks about human right he is sincere, not pushing the issue as at weapon for the usual devious and contrived point scoring to manipulate for geopolitical control and advancing weak and corruptible stooges for dubious alien advantages.

Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 10 2021 12:38 utc | 89

Paul "Surely he would be a new incorruptible and effective candidate for the new UK ambassador to Afghanistan."

He is also woke. Perhaps a contradiction for many but Assange, Murray, Manning, Snowden are all very much woke. Its a matter of seeing what they have done, respecting them for what they have done, but also understanding that when it comes to the likes of governance system for Afghanistan, they are very much woke. Culture is trodden underfoot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2021 12:49 utc | 90

@paul 89, Craig Murray has gotten 8 months prison time and he has been in there for 40 days now, so one sixth.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Sep 10 2021 12:59 utc | 91

Posted by b on September 9, 2021 at 11:13 UTC | Permalink

Not unexpected merely another iteration of

Round and round the garden
Danced the teddy bears

in the hope of arousing Mr. Charlie Wilson.

“"20 Deadly Years of Wasted Opportunities Since 9/11"

The article is based on illusions of, what are the social relations self-branded as "the United States of America", what are their purposes, and how are these purposes facilitated, predicated on Mr. Franklin and his associates joke that "We the people hold these truths to be self-evident."

Another level of illusion is facilitated by an encouraged yearning to return to "halcyon days" which never were, embroidered by the illusions of "We the people" that their roles are not restricted to being food sources and human shields for those not "We".

Mr. Gorbachov and his cohort of fools yearned to believe that "The Soviet Union" was reformable, and currently some yearn to believe that "The United States of America" is also reformable.

Those illusions are welcomed by many and hence should be encouraged.

on Consortium News part by “disappearing” the comment above.

Posted by: MagdaTam | Sep 10 2021 13:25 utc | 92

@85 William Gruff
Ran out of arguments?

Posted by: m | Sep 10 2021 14:09 utc | 93

Posted by: m | 76
So why are there no women (with hijab) in the government?

Posted by: m | Sep 10 2021 4:06 utc | 76

What is the percentage of women in your country's cabinet, and are they in important ministries?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Sep 10 2021 15:21 utc | 94

Just how many women were in the Afghan government the US set up? A few lower-level show example, but none with any power.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 10 2021 16:05 utc | 95

Please, fellow barflies, can anyone answer this, please:
How many female leaders (i.e, government ministers) were there in the various Afghani quisling governments sittin in Kabul 2002-2021?
In my own Nordic country, we had one single woman government minister before 1961: She was in charge of the social welfare system( but not the pension funds or the dole, where the real money was to be found and meted out).
So who was a female top politician in quisling Kabûli governments in Afghanistân? Were there any female minister of defance and attack? of foreign affairs? Of the economy and for the dispersion of bribes?
Please help me, Pentagon and Foggy Bottom!

Posted by: Tollef Ås اس طلف | Sep 10 2021 16:16 utc | 96

Paul | Sep 10 2021 12:38 utc | 89

I am not sure Craig Murray would want to go - seeing as how he would be "representing" the UK Government! (and of course it's "legal" system).

He may be inclined to think that certain Women should not have much say in legal matters either. (But not as a sexist thing, just that some seem to have fixed ideas that would do justice to an old Taliban idea of guilt because of belief.)


Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2021 12:49 utc | 90

They are all highly intelligent, with information that was not known to the vast majority, and then enough acumen to see where it would lead.

Something that is not common these days. I have been trying to find an explanation for the crud attitudes of many people. Why the obedience, why then try to foist the same blind obedience on others? It is very similar to an extravagant version of ""School Mistress symptom". You know, the one who always knows everything and also insists on her version of morality is absolute. "Don't smoke fags in the toilet" was maybe useful sometime ago, but real "ex-School mistresses" I met were convinced that they and they alone knew enough to run the country as well.

So, as with all things today one has to invent a pseudo-scientific term. These people are psycho-sadists. Power has been bestowed on non-entities to correct others, more, to FORCE others to obey haphazard restrictions. (They use the all caps lock to make clear just how important it is.) The Latest Oz idiocy of declaring that no person may have more than one "six-pack" at a time, well, because of ......masha? Police squads at hand to arrest and surveillance of personal behaviour, without losing from view the moral imperatives of anti-alcoholics no longer anonymous.

These are exemplified by Dr. Change claiming that this is the new NWO. Secret sadists with a personality problem. Scott Morrison, Arden are only the front runners of a horde of proto school mistresses hunting furrin' beasts? This is not herd "immunity", but a pack stalking human prey around pubs, restaurants and places where fun can be found.


Pardon the rant - but I still have a profound dislike of people forcing me to take a course of action that I disagree with, because of "orders" from a supreme being like Macro....

News tonight.
Why are the Russians no longer going to be represented at the Ceremony in Kabul?

Why are Russian Journalists not getting visas for NY and the 9/11 commemorations?

"Don't smoke fags in the toilet", is open to interpretation nowadays.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 10 2021 19:28 utc | 97

While I agree that the US State Department has become a refuge for those of privilege possessed with lazy minds, the Taliban’s choice of interim Prime Minister Akhund is, to say the least, disappointing. Akhund's veneer of religious extremism conceals his deep ties to Pakistan's central terrorist agency, better known as ISI.

Prime Minister Akhund is probably best known for the destruction of the giant Buddhas, enormous petroglyphs carved into rock cliffs. Those magnificent statues were destroyed by the Taliban shortly before the NYC Trade Tower attack. Prime Minister Akhund was the "religious nut" that convinced a skeptical Omar that desecrating a world heritage site would bring revenue. And it did, but...not for Afghanistan, instead the money flowed into Pakistan, just as it had during the Carter/Reagan years.

Prime Minister Akhund must be viewed as an instrument of Pakistan's notorious ISI. Under Prime Minister Akhund, Afghanistan will once again be forced into the role of a streetwalker, pimped out by Pakistan for revenue.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 10 2021 21:04 utc | 98

Stonebird | Sep 10 2021 19:28 utc | 97

I notice (in, I think it was in the Global Times.) that the Chinese central government is reminding local authorities at all levels, that being vaccinated is a matter of informed consent and personal choice.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Sep 10 2021 21:09 utc | 99

@ comment 98:

Why 'must' the interim PM Akhund be viewed as an 'instrument' of the 'notorious' ISI?

Do you have any facts to support these assertions? Or are you just repeating cliches?

Posted by: Gordog | Sep 10 2021 21:20 utc | 100

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